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6:02 pm   WRITTEN DETERMINATION This meeting will be an electronic meeting according to Vineyard Municipal Code Section08.030. I, Bryce Brady, as the Chair of the Vineyard Planning Commission, do hereby find and declare as follows:      Due to the Emergency conditions which currently exist in the State of Utah, and specifically in Utah County and Vineyard City as a result of the COVID-19 Pandemic and the recent surge in COVID-19 infections across the state and in Utah County, the holding of public meetings with an anchor location as defined in the Utah Open and Public Meetings Act, presentsa substantial risk to the health and safety of those who may be present at the anchor location; and        The risk to those who may be present at an anchor location can be substantially mitigated by holding public meetings of the Planning Commission pursuant to electronic means that allow for public participation via virtual means; and        The City has the means and ability to allow virtual participation in the public meetings in accordance with the Utah Open and Public Meetings Act;   NOW THEREFORE, BASED UPON THE FOREGOING,                 For thirty days from the date of this Order, meetings of the Vineyard Planning Commission shall be conducted by virtual means without an anchor location.     INVOCATION/INSPIRATIONAL THOUGHTS/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE1    Tim Blackburn offered an invocation.  
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Yeah, we're hopeful, aren't we, Brian? Hey, Tim. Hey, Amber. 00:00:08
Sorry, we're hopeful About what? 00:00:15
Brian, just so you know we are meeting City Council is on suggest I don't have my phone on me right now it's charging so just let. 00:00:17
Blood cash. Now it's a. 00:00:27
All right, get the staff report out. OK, cool. You heard that cash. 00:00:32
And then I. 00:00:39
I was not. 00:00:42
Not that I'll be on tonight, I don't know, but if I happen to be and I wasn't present for the meeting that the minutes were part 00:00:44
of. 00:00:47
What do I say? Obviously it would be weird to improve that. 00:00:52
You can still vote on. 00:00:56
Just say, yeah, if you want to, Yeah. I mean, it's it's up to you or you can have sustained, OK. 00:00:58
Yeah, yeah. What I mean, it's with minutes. I mean, it's a. 00:01:06
Maybe they're they're important, but it's not like you're making legislative action you can still vote on. 00:01:13
So do I need to like? 00:01:22
Don't touch anything here, right? 00:01:25
Something is showing right up there on the left. That's where it should, yeah. 00:01:27
So I've got the screen ready to go so. 00:01:32
I don't have some reason I can't connect in to the network. So you guys are good to share your documents and anything you want on 00:01:36
your end, just let let Brian know that as well, OK? 00:01:42
Yeah, all my documents are good. We have the ordinance pulled up. Do you want to pull up your stuff or what? Should be pulled up 00:01:48
too. It's right here. It's onion, blue bean, and it's right here. I'll just close all these confusing. 00:01:56
Let's go down again. 00:02:07
What's the review? 00:02:12
Ordinance enclose this. 00:02:13
Gorbachev. 00:02:18
It's going on. 00:02:23
So Morgan, I didn't see. 00:02:27
If anybody didn't say they were coming to the meeting except for. 00:02:31
Oh yeah. 00:02:36
You are welcome to go ahead and start because it looks like you have. 00:02:39
Hey Jess, fail yourself, Tim and Amber. So you have 5. I would just go ahead and you know, so I'm I'm gonna hit hit record. So 00:02:45
just don't no one say anything crazy. 00:02:51
All right. Oh, that's great. Thanks. That just takes a little bit. 00:03:00
All right, it's 602 on Wednesday, February 3rd and I'd like to open up the Planning Commission meeting. I. 00:03:06
I didn't ask anybody, but would somebody like to volunteer to give an opening prayer or like of agents? 00:03:16
I would be happy to give you an invocation. All right. Thank you, Tim. 00:03:23
OK, our Father in Heaven, tonight as we convene the Planning Commission and Vineyard, we are grateful for this opportunity to do 00:03:27
so, and we recognize that technology which has blessed our lives during this time. We pray that we may use it effectively and be 00:03:34
able to communicate one with another and express our thoughts, feelings, and ideas. We're grateful for this city, for those who 00:03:42
founded it, for those who live here now, for those who will yet come. 00:03:49
We pray that all that we do tonight will be in accordance with Thy will and will be to help the citizens of this great community 00:03:57
enjoy their time here with their friends and family. 00:04:03
We pray for our nation, Father in Heaven, that it will be strong and focused on. 00:04:09
Seeing what it has the potential to be. 00:04:16
And being a white in the world. 00:04:19
We pray for our leaders nationally in state community that they will be wise in their decisions. These things we humbly pray for 00:04:21
and thank you for tonight. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tim so much. Thank you. Just for the record 00:04:29
tonight, the sitting members are me, Tim, Shan, Tay and Amber. 00:04:37
And. 00:04:48
I just need to read the. 00:04:50
Written determination So I'm Bryce Brady as the Chair of the Vineyard Planning Commission, do hereby find and declare as follows. 00:04:52
Due to the emergency conditions which currently exist in the state of Utah and specifically Nissan County and Vineyard City as a 00:05:00
result of the COVID-19 limit and the recent surge of COVID-19 infections across the state and in Utah County, the holding of 00:05:07
public meetings with an acre location is defined in the Utah Open and Public Meetings Act. 00:05:14
Present a substantial risk to the health and safety of those who may be present at the end of the location. 00:05:21
And to the risks to those who may be present at an interlocation can be substantially mitigated by holding public meetings with 00:05:28
the Planning Commission for signature electronic means that allow for the public participation via virtual means. And three, the 00:05:33
city has the means and ability to allow virtual participation in the public meetings in accordance with the Utah Open and Public 00:05:39
Meetings Act. 00:05:44
NOW, therefore, based upon the foregoing, for 30 days from the date of this order, meetings of the Vineyard Planning Commission 00:05:50
shall be conducted by virtual means without an ignorant location. 00:05:56
All right. 00:06:02
I did that kind of backwards. Tim gave the invocation first and then I. 00:06:06
Did the threatened determination. And then third, we'll open it up for an open session. This is a time for any citizens to make 00:06:10
comments on something that isn't on the agenda. So if you have comments about the parking requirements that we're talking about 00:06:15
tonight. 00:06:20
Please hold off, but if you have other comments with something that isn't on the agenda tonight, now is your time. 00:06:27
So you do that. I do actually have somebody to make a motion to open up the open session. 00:06:35
Motion to open the organization. 00:06:41
In a second. 00:06:45
I'll second this is Jake. 00:06:48
All right, so any public with any comments now is the time. You can also write usage that was that was aboriginal with the motion, 00:06:50
correct? Oh, sorry, yes. 00:06:56
Hey, can we make do we make comments on behalf of citizens? 00:07:03
During the. 00:07:08
Or later you have like an e-mail that somebody emailed to you or it was, it's several comments on Facebook that I was told to ask 00:07:10
to bring up. Or if you have just to let you know, if you do have so many emails from the commissioners, the protocols to to e-mail 00:07:17
to the chair and to staff so that we can make it part of the the actual record in case there's a grammar request. So, yeah, So 00:07:24
what what whatever Bryce is having. 00:07:32
When you're done, just want to e-mail. 00:07:39
I don't have any, it was all Facebook. 00:07:41
But I'll let anyone residents go first. So go ahead if you were going to speak. 00:07:44
I think somebody was. 00:07:51
Well, I don't know what we can do about it, but there have been a lot of people discussing unleashed dogs, which I do commonly, 00:07:56
but. 00:08:01
I think we really need to take that more seriously. That's, you know, not only annoying but traumatic for some people. 00:08:07
Is there a way we can enforce the rules or what? What's the purpose of going to do that? 00:08:14
So, so Morgan, as far as enforcement goes on that, what do we do as a city? 00:08:20
Yeah, so we do have an off leash. 00:08:26
Restriction outside of. 00:08:29
Places that are not like certified for cross leash and I don't think we have any official dog parks outside of the the apartment 00:08:32
building these one of the issues. So yeah, it's, it's not allowed. Typically it's through a complaint basis. And what you do is 00:08:40
actually call the Sheriff's Office and we have a non-emergency number on our website. I don't have that right on me. So if you 00:08:47
look at the website, you can call, it's not dispatch. They'll send an officer out if if there's not like a, an emergency. 00:08:55
And so it's kind of tough, obviously, because it's real seas where people, you know, that person may be gone. If I'm not saying 00:09:03
residents are telling people, but if you don't, you know, if the costs don't, please don't know where they live, then they can't 00:09:09
follow through. Most likely. If you do, they would knock on the door and just inform the resident. We're not a like a police heavy 00:09:15
state or. 00:09:21
City in the sense that they're probably not going to just let levy a fine. They can though. So if they do have record of multiple 00:09:28
violations then they I believe they can issue a ticket but that. 00:09:34
That's the way they do it from a like staff can go out and. 00:09:40
Issue, but we can for. 00:09:44
We are working in another situation with a dog waste right now and and that's usually those two are So if you see someone blind 00:09:47
their dog to, you know, use the use the restroom when I go in the park or something like that without picking it up where you can 00:09:55
inform staff if you know the poor person is or take a photo. 00:10:03
You know, that's always kind of awkward, but we we have that people turn to other people. We've said that. 00:10:12
We try to be lenient with regards to fines and things like that because obviously we don't want people to be stressed, but this 00:10:18
case really is. 00:10:24
Threatening the security of certain people in city, it's not something to be taken lightly. I don't think so. 00:10:32
The best place to is to would would be so if you want to ever, if you want, you can even copy and paste those comments into an 00:10:40
e-mail and send it to me and I can forward it to, you know, one of our officers just so they're they're aware because we don't 00:10:46
tell them that they're not going to know. So that that would be the best way to if if it's a commonly happening in one specific 00:10:51
location. 00:10:57
And sometimes signage can help as well, so you know. 00:11:04
Cool. Just for those people that have just recently gotten on, right now is the open session. If you have comments for something 00:11:10
that isn't on the agenda, now is the time to make those comments. You can either raise your hand and you'll be unmuted, or you can 00:11:16
make your comments in the chat section. 00:11:22
And the the raise hand option, I'm not seeing it on mine for some reason. If that's not on if you just. 00:11:30
Do your video and raise your hand and we'll the chair can call on you as well. Yeah, or if you want to make a comment. 00:11:36
With audio then say something in the chat and you can be unmuted for those of you that don't have video. 00:11:44
Right, it doesn't look like there anymore public comments. Can I have a motion to close the open session? 00:11:52
Motion to close the open session. 00:11:58
In here by the way, Sir. 00:12:02
Yeah. Thank you. And I'll second those. OK, Who's that again? Sorry. Thank you, Tay. All right. 00:12:04
All in favor. 00:12:13
Hi. Hi. 00:12:19
OK, great. 00:12:22
OK. So minutes per view approval, hopefully you guys have had a chance to look over that does grab a motion to approve those 00:12:25
minutes for January 6th, 2021. 00:12:30
Yes, I've had an opportunity to review them and. 00:12:36
Unless there's other discussion about and I do make a motion that we approve them as presented. 00:12:40
Wait a second. 00:12:46
I'll second Amber Rasmussen. All right, thank you, Amber. All right, all in favor. 00:12:53
Aye, aye. 00:13:00
Hi. 00:13:02
Waiting for an eye from Amber and Shan Shan still in here. 00:13:04
I don't see her on there. 00:13:11
I see. 00:13:16
In this case, Morgan, if somebody drops off like that. 00:13:22
They will note it in the minutes, OK. 00:13:27
All right. So we have some other Commission. I'm sorry, Bryce, do we have someone else then that would step in to that position? 00:13:31
It doesn't look like it. 00:13:36
You still have a. You saw the form. 00:13:44
And so if it. 00:13:47
I mean if you have 5 commissioners only you can still vote agree, but if you have. 00:13:49
Obviously, we have Tim. 00:13:55
Jessica Jay. 00:13:58
So in this case, what? I just have Jessica jump in. All right, Jessica, are you there? Can you and me and Jessica? 00:14:05
Yeah, I'm here. OK, great. All right, so we have Jessica sitting in. 00:14:14
Congratulations. 00:14:22
All right, OK. 00:14:24
So we're going to move on to 5.1. 00:14:28
Parking requirements of private recreational vehicles and residential zoning districts. So, Morgan, that you've taken over on this 00:14:32
one. Yeah, I can just do a really quick intro. Cash is labeled as Brian will be the one providing the actual presentation. So this 00:14:41
item has gone soon. City Council Planning Commission, and we've made you know, we provided an ordinance to provide the option. 00:14:49
That the screening would be what would be removed and So what I would say is. 00:14:58
Please provide that cash, get through the presentation and then if the public wants to speak. 00:15:04
You know, please stay muted until about the public hearing and then I believe. 00:15:13
Bryce will provide you up to three minutes for free for each speaker. 00:15:19
And so, and you can also use the, the chat if you're on the, it would be better for you to, to, to be audible 'cause we're gonna 00:15:24
do minutes anyway and it's just easier for minutes instead of having to, you know, cut items out of the chat for those events so 00:15:30
you can do it through the audio without any further ado. 00:15:36
Cash, OK. 00:15:44
I'm gonna get the right screen here. 00:15:47
All right, can you all see my screen? 00:15:52
Yeah. OK. There we go. OK. 00:15:55
So, yeah, just as as Morgan was saying that we discussed this at about a month ago. 00:15:58
And just a summary of that consensus was reached among the commissioners to keep in there in favor of keeping the ordinance that 00:16:04
wanted to see the language proposed in a zoning text amendment. And so Morgan prepared that. And this is the current code. And 00:16:11
what's crossed out in red is, is what we would change. And it all it does is remove the screening from front yards and streets by 00:16:17
the wall, fence, gate, landscaping or other suitable screening material. 00:16:24
This would not change any current code of rules regarding the 48 hour. 00:16:31
Loading and unloading requirements for recreational vehicles. 00:16:36
They would still have to be parked in the rear or side yard of the house. 00:16:41
And. 00:16:46
Yeah. So it wouldn't affect the parking besides just removing that screening so they still can be parked in driveways for longer 00:16:49
than 48 hours. And and so, yeah, what we're looking for is just a recommendation from the Commission to approve or deny the the 00:16:56
zoning text amendment and then we will present that to City Council in a week. 00:17:03
All right. Thank you, guys. 00:17:13
So do I want to open this up for a public hearing right now, Morgan anything, or do you want to discuss it for a minute, kind of 00:17:16
clarify some things or Yeah, typically it's it's kind of good for the commissioners to to do a brief discussion and it kind of, 00:17:21
you know. 00:17:27
If you have any concerns and then and then open up the public hearing, the public hearing and then we would close it and then we 00:17:33
can discuss what was said during the public hearing. But once the public hearings closed, you would not be taking more comment 00:17:39
after the public hearing. So just just realize that. 00:17:44
OK, so real quick, as far as the understanding from our last meeting, it seemed like the majority of the Council. 00:17:52
Or the Commission. 00:17:59
Was in favor of keeping the screening and stuff, but in the last meeting we didn't have very many people making public comments. I 00:18:01
assume that there's more people tonight wanting to make public comments about this, and we've also received 5 separate emails. 00:18:09
From citizens saying that they would like to remove the screening as it's as it's shown here so government commissioners have 00:18:19
something that they. 00:18:24
Want to clarify or? 00:18:30
Have any comments about on this before we open it up for the public? 00:18:33
I know we talked some last time because I was reminded about it as I went through the minutes for the meeting. We talked some 00:18:40
about changing the number 2 to 24 hours rather than 48 hours and I I don't see that being addressed here. Was that an oversight or 00:18:47
just the choice not to address that or what? 00:18:54
The five that we're speaking. 00:19:33
So anyway. 00:19:35
Typically when we hear kind of a consensus from the Commission, then you know, at least three, then then go and make a change. So 00:19:38
if we hear that the motion is voted on the, we're more than happy to, to change that to 24. Well, I, I don't know, it was just a 00:19:44
thought as I read through the minutes and then as I saw this being presented for tonight. I know it wasn't a lot of discussion 00:19:50
last time, but I'm just wondering is it, is it worth talking about at this point? Because. 00:19:57
It seems like when you're talking about loading and unloading. 00:20:04
A recreational vehicle, boat, whatever, the 24 hours is more than adequate to accomplish that. But it's just, you know, I'm not 00:20:08
sure that I'm not going to make a big deal about it, but it seemed like 24 hours is more than adequate and 48 hours is excessive 00:20:16
to be able to load a boat. Yeah, right now is the perfect time to talk about that. Anything you see on this screen was. 00:20:24
Noticed so that this section of covers doesn't notice the newspaper, so it's it's all open for discussion. 00:20:33
May I ask what prompted this alteration? 00:20:41
We had received several complaints. 00:20:46
In the sleeper age community and so code enforcement, whatever we received complaints, we work on a complete basis so. 00:20:51
Our so cash is undercoat overcoat enforcement. So he went out and notified through a letter those who were were in violation, but 00:21:00
the frontier parking and and he made them not had a few screenings so that those then went to the city councils. The council 00:21:07
members, I think we have three of them that live in that sleep neighborhood. So they definitely heard about it. 00:21:14
And it was it was talked quite a bit about very council and then the council asked us as staff to do a city initiated text 00:21:21
amendment. And so this amendment is actually from city. So staff members, it's not an applicant initiated. So, so that's that's 00:21:27
why you saw that they directed the staff to take this to the Commission. Have you guys discussed it and then bring them back a 00:21:33
recommendation? 00:21:39
And So what is the alternative to parking it near your home? Do we have options for people or they just can't have those things? 00:21:46
So the way it is right now, Amber, is you can park a boat on the side of your home or a trailer or something. It's just nice to be 00:21:52
shielded by a fence. 00:21:57
But it's so for instance, I mean, there are lots of places that own house side yards, right? So what do they get to do? And if you 00:22:04
don't have a side yard, then you'd have to park it in your garage or find some other place to park that you can't park it in your 00:22:09
driveway or on the street. 00:22:15
Yeah, there are, there are storage lots that you know, I've got a food truck. I haven't worked with the city and he parks his food 00:22:22
truck at A at a store job, so he pays the fee. No, it's not probably not ideal for everyone, but there, there are some options out 00:22:27
there. 00:22:33
In Vineyard, not a vineyard, no, there's, there's not a storage lot on there. I'm just saying like that's, that's what, you know, 00:22:41
if you wanted an RV and you lived on a 5000 square foot lot with the six foot side yard that that really would be your only 00:22:47
alternative would be to, you know, to find a storage lot somewhere. 00:22:53
So is there some way we can have that be something we're looking into endured because. 00:23:00
I would imagine people would meet up. Yeah. So in our code we allow for for storage, there is a storage use category. So an 00:23:08
industrial district that's a use that we and this is about four years ago. So it was it was before I think Bryce was on timber on 00:23:15
the week and Anthony when we had when we discussed that originally. So the so the FOI, the M districts were the districts where we 00:23:22
allowed through self storage and we actually have talked to a few people who are interested in in doing a commercial. 00:23:30
The city itself. 00:23:38
So we wrote the law so that you could do it. 00:23:43
OK. I just feel like it's so restrictive, but it's a difficult situation. Yeah, for sure. 00:23:47
All right. Any other questions from Mr. Members before I open, before we open it up for public hearing? 00:23:55
Yeah, I have a question about the language when it says the rear yard or the side yard. 00:24:02
Does that defined specifically somewhere or can we can we define it more specifically to be, you know flush with the house or 00:24:08
behind or how how is that defined? 00:24:12
Yes, defined under our codes, we have definition section of the zoning orgasm and within that we have to pull it up. But I believe 00:24:18
it's it's you're basically taking the two corners and then and you're taking that side to side and then you're running to the to 00:24:26
the property line. And so it's it's it's pretty defined. So it tells you basically taking those two points already now and I 00:24:33
obviously didn't say that 100% perfectly, but under the the definition there's front yard. 00:24:40
OK. So, but if you wanted to clarify here or are they different from staff was we would use those definitions because we felt like 00:24:51
they were they were pretty good. I think we have graphics with them too, but we could actually add language here as well if you 00:24:57
wanted to make it very clear. So you would have to jump to definitions. 00:25:04
I'm sorry, staff and commissioners, could you please state your name when you provide a comment, just for the record? 00:25:12
Sure, Thank you. Just a lot of steps. 00:25:19
I just made that comment. So OK, I just want it. Maybe it would be helpful to include the definition and if it's. 00:25:22
This is approved and the screening is moved. I think that it would be really important to to explain the definition that it 00:25:28
wouldn't be something that. 00:25:32
You know, a recreational vehicle would be still partly in the driveway, not really behind the house or in the side yard 00:25:38
technically, you know, and then it would just kind of. 00:25:42
Go from there and then it would become it's parked in the driveway, you know like so I think that that would be really important 00:25:47
to if that is if that is removed for that to be really clear. 00:25:52
Yes, thank you. Jessica. Do I have any other comments before we open it up before? 00:26:02
All right. Do I have a motion to open it up for a public hearing? 00:26:07
I moved to open. This is all right, thank you. Do I have a second? 00:26:15
This is Tim. I'll second it. All right? And I'm actually going to go off the list just to make things easier for the minutes. So 00:26:21
all in favor, Tim, aye? 00:26:26
Amber. 00:26:32
Jessica. 00:26:34
And Bryce, I all right, so it's open up for public comments if you guys have something that you want to ask or some something that 00:26:36
you want to say about this, you have a maximum of three minutes. Just raise your hand, stay in the chat that you have something to 00:26:44
say or you can type something in the chat. So it looks like Alicia Saban has a comment if you want to unmute her Morgan. 00:26:52
OK, first, before I start, I did have several members of my communities submit and comments, and if I need to take more than 3 00:27:01
minutes so I can also read theirs, would that be appropriate? Sure. Yeah. And and if you wouldn't mind, just mention your name and 00:27:07
what neighborhood you're from. OK, my name is Alicia Babe, and I live in the Sleepy Ridge community. 00:27:14
After reviewing this cash, thanks for putting this together and putting this on the screen. I personally do feel this is really 00:27:22
reasonable and that if you were to submit this to the City Council for approval. 00:27:27
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't obtain the goal of safety. 00:27:33
The current, the current way it's written obtains that goal, but this also does as well. And I know that in the last meeting you 00:27:39
submitted some comparison with other cities and what they do and some of them have requirements that were very similar and some of 00:27:45
them have less stringent requirements. I think that because of the influence of people that have been moving to Vineyard that come 00:27:51
from all different types of communities. 00:27:57
If it's not changed, what you'll see happen is just that this is going to come on your agenda again and again and again and again. 00:28:03
And I think that you will have it come on your agenda a lot less if you do make this modification. I feel it's very reasonable. I 00:28:10
personally feel it the way it was before was not as reasonable or the way that it currently stands is not as reasonable. Hence the 00:28:18
reason that it looks like there's several people here are probably commenting that they are in support of this change. 00:28:25
There are some comments that I'll read from other people in the community. 00:28:33
Talk a lot about in HOA because that was in the minutes and I know that they bred them and so they did make some comments about 00:28:36
HOA and in response to what was in the minutes from last month. But it does seem that A cause of support to not change the code 00:28:43
was because of the HOA did exist at one time and there's some that want that ambience of an HOA still to exist via a city code 00:28:49
enforcement. 00:28:56
And honestly this just isn't the place for an HMA. For whatever reason the HOA doesn't exist anymore and it really shouldn't even 00:29:02
be a discussion in a meeting like this. HO as don't monitor city meetings and city meetings don't monitor HOA meetings. So for 00:29:09
people who are really serious about wanting an HOA and go find one. But a lot of the citizens that are here today and that are 00:29:16
going to be speaking. 00:29:23
They moved into my community specifically. 00:29:29
Because that was a big selling point is that there was not an HOA and now there is some people in the community who really love 00:29:32
the idea of one who are using the city to try and enforce what to make away with enforce. 00:29:38
We just don't feel that it's fair. And there was a comment that in the past the city committed that whatever the HOA wanted as far 00:29:45
as this specific code winds and other codes, that they were going to maintain that. And quite honestly, that's it's an empty 00:29:53
promise because there's room. The city, the job of the city is to please everyone in Vineyard City, not to see the rich community. 00:30:00
So you have to think about the entire community here and. 00:30:07
That there's still a lot of development happening, a lot of people moving in, and like I said, this is just going to keep coming 00:30:15
up again and again. 00:30:18
I think this is a more than fair modification about the screening requirements and. 00:30:22
Yeah, there's some other things that I was going to say, but I think that I'm good with the way this looks. And so I'm going to 00:30:31
move into what other people in the community says, if that's OK, and I'm just going to read them verbatim and hope that's OK. So 00:30:37
this is from Pam Adams. All of these people, by the way, I live in this week in this community, this is Pam Adams. She said we 00:30:43
moved into our home three years ago and we're unaware of the zoning codes. We were told that there was no HOA. Our home was a 00:30:48
beautiful RV. Our home has a beautiful. 00:30:54
View pad in this one. This is one of the things that sold us on this phone. We would ask the zoning code to be changed to allow 00:31:00
people to park their boats in our views next to our home or on an RV pad or designated area. The zoning change assumes that these 00:31:05
vehicles are not parked on the road or too close to the road blocking the sidewalk. Thank you for your consideration from Scott 00:31:10
and Adams. 00:31:14
Umm, this person said that the discussion about the HOA was interesting when we built her. When we built, our builder and realtor 00:31:21
looked into it and we were told there was no HOA. That was a deal breaker for us. I'm going to see if I can find out what they 00:31:26
sent me. That will take some time. 00:31:32
And then they make a comment on how the minutes from the meeting say the HOA was to stand. Also when we moved in and we asked 00:31:40
about the HAAQ and report some of the reasons that was not one. 00:31:44
I would love to see time, energy, resources and money go to helping our community where it needs most instead of driving around 00:32:19
finding books, not behind a fence. 00:32:22
That was Kendra Wilkins. I'm not sure if I said that. 00:32:27
Lived in the neighborhood for two years and not having an HOA was a big factor in choosing to buy a home in the Sea Village 00:33:01
neighborhood. I know that there is the case. I know that this is the case with many who live here. I fully support ordinances that 00:33:07
keep our city safe and a nice place to live. I also support making reasonable changes to better serve our communities needs. 00:33:13
That was Christy Burgess, um. 00:33:20
Haley Strong says. I don't know if what I'm about to say, if it has anything to do with our health, but with any of these issues, 00:33:28
but it would be helpful. 00:33:32
To keep in mind if further parking on the side of the street because the streets are so narrow, maybe they could park on the side 00:33:37
of the street that has sidewalks. The side of the street that I live on does not have sidewalks so that that comes from there are 00:33:42
some areas where sidewalks. 00:33:48
Arms in front of homes and so people park on side of the street and they're damaging their grass of their sprinkling heads and 00:33:54
things like that. That's not about this specific code, but it was about freaking. So that's why I waited to share that one. 00:34:01
So one person said, Amanda McCarty said there was never been an HOA. The group that originally set up the community intending it 00:34:14
to be at HOA went bankrupt. So there's never been an HOA. That is another reason the ordinance needs to be amended. It was 00:34:19
intended for HOA community, which never happened. 00:34:24
She said she sent an e-mail, so that was a man in the party, so she said she's gonna send an e-mail in addition. 00:34:30
And just to finish off, I. 00:34:37
You would ask the city to really seriously consider this. Really, it's a minor change, but it would save citizens in the city 00:35:12
hundreds, 80 thousands of dollars to not have to put up a fence or a gate or landscaping when really there's really not that many 00:35:20
people bothered by it. There's Bryce, and I just need to say I think we've gone over the three minutes. 00:35:28
I mean, we could go on and on, but we need to make sure if others need to be heard. Yeah, yeah, OK. 00:35:38
And thank you for getting the comments from the other people in your neighborhood. 00:35:45
City Council, they weren't submitted in time to make this staff report, but we didn't e-mail them to them. So they'll speak it if 00:35:55
you want to also e-mail cash with comments and we'll take those. Everyone's already streamed will be part of the next stack report 00:36:03
with the billing City Council. So it is important to send those over. And it looks like Emily and Vance Hazard at least. 00:36:12
Emily, go ahead. 00:36:23
Hi. 00:36:27
I just would like to agree with everything that Alicia had also said and all the statements that were well read prior. I agree 00:36:30
that we moved into this neighborhood not looking for a nature way, you're not interested in an HOA and that this ordinance does 00:36:37
fall within an HOA style. 00:36:44
Control. 00:36:52
We feel like the adjustments that should be made to this are also reasonable. 00:36:55
And that you will be seeing a lot of issues in the future. 00:37:02
We have a fence, we have a RV parking pack, we park all our recreational vehicles behind a fence. However, we have a lot of 00:37:07
neighbors next to us that don't, and every single one of theirs is parked appropriately. It's parked on the side of an RV pad, 00:37:15
everything is all in working order, and it is parked alongside of the home. I have no issues. 00:37:23
With this, it doesn't bother me at all. They should be allowed to be able to park their things there. 00:37:32
And I'm also concerned and curious to know we're all. 00:37:37
Vineyard City Residences cited with this citation or letter that was issued to our Sleepy Ridge community. You drive Holdaway Rd. 00:37:42
you drive a lot of other communities as well and they are not also abiding by this. 00:37:51
Ordinance so I. 00:38:01
On a complaint basis, just ask your questions. So as people submit complaints, we don't have the staff to drive the whole city and 00:38:05
look for everything. So if someone complaints, then then the city sends out a copper. Sorry, sorry. I mean, I wanted to take that 00:38:11
question as you ask. I, I, I appreciate that, but I mean, if you're going to go The Dirty route about this, if you're not going to 00:38:18
address the simple issue. 00:38:24
And to put a bee in the bonnet. 00:38:31
A way that people could go about this is if you start sending more letters for Sleepy Ridge Community than the holdaways are going 00:38:34
to start hearing complaints on their properties and I can guarantee you that that's not going to go well. 00:38:41
Thank you. 00:38:50
I mean, I that's not something that I would necessarily be myself or recommend, but. 00:38:51
In a roundabout way, I mean, if you're going to hold one community to a certain standard, then you need to hold all of the other 00:38:57
communities in the city to that same ordinance. 00:39:02
Hey, thank you, Emily for your comments. So I think we had Ryan McCarty like to speak. Sure. 00:39:09
Thank you. 00:39:21
Emily, Alicia, great job. I thought you guys did awesome explaining a lot of the same thoughts I had. You know, first, you know, I 00:39:23
think the, the ordinance with the change that was proposed, the line, you know, through that last part to me makes sense. Again, 00:39:29
you know the purpose to me is twofold. 1 is first and foremost safety. I think we all agree that that line taken out doesn't 00:39:35
change the safety issue. 00:39:41
The second is appearance. 00:39:49
You know, again, parking, you know, in the front yard, you could argue effects appearance, but parking on a side yard, especially 00:39:51
on an RV pad behind the house, I don't think a fence. I mean the reality is a lot of these are taller than the fence anyways. It 00:39:57
just doesn't really affect the appearance. So if those are our two main points, I just, I feel like we can achieve those even with 00:40:03
that change that site modification so that, you know, again, that's my suggestion. And then as far as the idea of, you know, it's 00:40:09
in code there. 00:40:15
It is, you know, obviously anything with decisions made in the government's living, that's why we have these meetings, right? So 00:40:21
just because something is is not a reason to keep it. I think we always need to evaluate what best meets the needs. And that's how 00:40:27
any law or code or ordinance is created. And I think there's a lot of people who are expressing a similar opinion of how we can 00:40:33
meet safety and appearance, but do so in a in a more reasonable way. And so that's my thought. That's not closing my thoughts. 00:40:39
Great. Hey, thank you. 00:40:45
So it looks like Joseph, and if you wouldn't mind Joseph just stating your name and which neighborhood you're from? 00:40:52
Yeah, Joseph Smith, I asked to live in the Sleepy Ridge community. I'm actually living in from sunny Florida. We're on a mission 00:40:59
out here. But I, I'm very interested in the the RV parking thing. I think that change is very appropriate. I don't see any problem 00:41:08
with that. The only thing that I guess I'm not sure if this is addressed or not is that I guess. 00:41:18
We'll be making sure that it's not blocking maybe somebody's as they're driving through, if it was sticking out so far, that would 00:41:28
block it somebody's view for safety reasons, but. 00:41:34
I don't have any problem at all with with an unfinished RV. We have an RV and he parked it on the side of our house and it's 00:41:40
currently not fenced. 00:41:44
And that it would make kind of an ice work toothpaste rather than actually make it look better, I think. And the RV is taller than 00:41:50
the fence. So I don't see what that accomplishes. So that's that's my input. Thank you. 00:41:56
All right, great. Thank you so much. 00:42:04
Hi. Do you have any other public comments? I see that David Laurette has asked a couple of questions. David, what do you want to 00:42:07
speak and. 00:42:11
If you have pronounced Lorraine, it is thank you. 00:42:17
1st of all, Commissioner, thank you very much for your service. We appreciate all the time you put in doing this and thank you for 00:42:22
the chance to speak. 00:42:28
So I have, I have a few questions I just want to ask the Commission to consider as they debate this issue. 00:42:34
So first of all, in our in our city video, where else besides Sleepy Ridge and the whole Lake Rd. communities is there even room 00:42:41
enough to store a motor home? And if you live in live in the up in the water's edge area or or north of that that there it would 00:42:48
not be possible even to store 1 to be in compliance with the code as you propose it to be written. 00:42:56
So that's one thing. 00:43:04
And a second we don't if you don't have enough land in the city to waste and parking lectures. I've been told it's a waste of 00:43:06
children parking bus. Why would we build a parking lots for RV's and where in the city will be enough room to to dedicate land to 00:43:13
that purpose. It seems to me that that's that's not something in the past we've decided not to do that and I wonder why would we 00:43:19
encourage the idea of a business. 00:43:25
In Vineyard to store Arby's. 00:43:32
That was my comment earlier that you want me to. 00:43:35
David, I got three more. Yeah, I might forget something. You're going to help me out with my answer. 00:43:40
Thanks, so why can't someone who paid good money for their home and park? 00:43:48
Whatever they want, there are people I want on their property. I mean, what is the compelling reason to abridge citizens property 00:43:53
rights? I guess that's the big question. So, and I think this is not what I'm saying, you shouldn't do this. That's what I'm 00:43:59
saying is I think the Commission needs to address that topic and address was to be the compelling reason. If you're talking about 00:44:05
safety, what is unsafe about parking an RV in one's driveway? 00:44:11
I think there used to be a defense for that when you when you face the public. 00:44:18
Another issue. 00:44:23
What is the problem with parking? I guess I've already talked about this. So I've already got those. OK, I'll just my comments are 00:44:26
in the chat. 00:44:30
Morgan, your turn. 00:44:35
Thank you, David. And, and we'll, we'll talk about that and take those things into consideration. If so, Emily Vance, I guess her 00:44:38
husband would like to make a comment. I'm not sure what you mean by able to speak through your phone, but I mean, we, we can try 00:44:43
it. 00:44:48
Sorry about that, Mike. I don't have the link on my phone. OK, I'm sorry. Yeah, just just state your name and your neighborhood 00:44:55
and your. 00:45:01
2nd that the. 00:45:08
Change to. The current code is appropriate. 00:45:11
The the fact that we're not an HOA and yet we're being forced to modify our property after spending and, you know, the amount of 00:45:15
money each of our homes have to, you know, to make sure we have the luxuries we want. And they are luxuries. But being parked on 00:45:23
the side of the home, not blocking sidewalks, not blocking the street is reasonable in any way. 00:45:31
But creating any kind of fence or anything? 00:45:40
Is is unreasonable at times and there's times where you know, we'll pull our boat out, you know, the day before parking in our 00:45:46
driveway to get ready for the next day. And then we've been violation even though we do have RV parking, but it's cuts out about 00:45:53
an hour of prep time on a boat day, so. 00:46:00
Or if you come in late at night when you're camping and you park your RV, you know, in your driveway or even in front of your 00:46:09
house at times, changing it from the 48 hours to the 24 hours and plenty of house, you know, you, you come home late Friday night, 00:46:17
Saturdays, the Mass Sunday, you're not going to do it. You know, it turns into more than 24 hours. So. 00:46:25
The way the change is written right now taken away the screening. 00:46:34
The fencing, you know, for vehicles parking your driveway I think is appropriate. I think doing anything else would cause 00:46:39
headache. The you know, if Sleepy Ridge is the only community, I know Emily kind of mentioned it, but it's it's the only community 00:46:45
getting hit with this because we have one or two individuals complaining about it. 00:46:51
Seems a little bit unbalanced. 00:47:00
And then lastly, I don't know, you know, you say Vinny doesn't have enough manpower to go checking every address or every, you 00:47:03
know. 00:47:08
Who's going to also enforce this? Cities that enforce these stricter rules have a zoning enforcement that's probably a lot heavier 00:47:14
than what Vineyard really wants to put forward. I I can guarantee the Sheriff's Office isn't going to want to start doing the 00:47:23
zoning enforcement on something like this, but that's obviously something. 00:47:31
We discussed later, so thank you. 00:47:41
Thank you so much. Do we have any more public comments? 00:47:43
It's like Brett Hamilton. 00:47:50
Hey, can you hear me? 00:47:54
Yeah, yeah. So just just to sympathize with all those slots too. I agree. I'm a temporary resident here, but resident in the last. 00:47:59
And the double standard that would have with this community versus the other communities, you know, it would be egregious, 00:48:04
obviously. 00:48:10
And I do agree with Brother Vance as well, because having that, I mean, if you if you don't have the means to enforce it, why 00:48:18
would have a law to why? Why would you have that to enforce anyway, right. The whole point of having a law or some regulation is 00:48:24
obviously it's enforceable if it's not enforceable. 00:48:29
That probably shouldn't be there to begin with. Secondly. 00:48:35
Even being a temporary resident here, if there was something there that we actually have an RV that we do park here on the side of 00:48:40
the road wall, our in laws are gone and having that kind of be a problem. And yet not only the eyesore with the whole gate thing 00:48:46
where some some properties having to have that because some of them are the RV comes actually past the garage for instance. So it 00:48:52
might cause more of an issue. 00:48:59
The other thing I have too was not just so I I do agree with actually changing it and the way you guys have it written right here 00:49:06
with the change is perfect. The only thing I would argue off as well in this whole agenda would be the the 48 hours. I know what's 00:49:13
his name on here, Tim, you mentioned the whole 28 hour or 24 hours versus the 48 hours thing. I think that brother man's actually 00:49:20
mentioned it a little bit too was sometimes, you know, if you have something. 00:49:28
Loaded up your driveway I think 48 hours is like. I think that's perfect. 24 hours might be a little too little sometimes just 00:49:35
prepping work and having family over. Usually if you go on a vacation you have a lot of things to do 48 hours should be plenty of 00:49:41
time to do it. I do agree 24 hours maybe not as much. Two days really is not that big of a deal to have it in your driveway if 00:49:47
you're loading it on the side. 00:49:53
So I think having it at 48 hours is is perfect. I don't want to see the third thing I wanted to say too was driving on your 00:50:00
parking RV on your driveway. I can see where you would have narrow streets. As you know the this area does the community does and 00:50:07
most new cities actually being built because they're horribly developed in my opinion and episode of contractors. I see them all 00:50:14
the time, but you have. 00:50:21
Super narrow roads. 00:50:28
Which are in and of itself unsafe. I know that they try to regulate traffic that way by not having people park on the side of the 00:50:30
road like they do up in, in West Jordan, right, with Daybreak, which is horrible. But they, I think part of this whole parking 00:50:37
issue stems from them making these narrow streets and it being unsafe for people to park in their driveway or on the side of their 00:50:45
property or, you know, it's just poor planning really, you know? 00:50:52
A little bit wider, You know, they do this up in Saratoga Springs where you're parking, parking cars on the side of the road isn't 00:51:30
that much of a problem In the previous community we used to live in because the streets were wide enough to where, you know what I 00:51:36
mean, you wouldn't have to worry about people running out the middle of the road. All right, Thank you. Thank you, Brett, for all 00:51:43
your comments. Yeah, it looks like Lori Hooper, if you if you would state your name and and which neighborhood you're in. 00:51:49
You want to unmute that organ. 00:51:57
I don't. 00:52:04
Yeah, we can hear you OK. Hey, So my name is actually Brett Cooper. 00:52:07
And I also lived in the Sleepy Ridge neighborhood. 00:52:13
So yeah, I have. I have had previous problems with this ordinance as it was previously written. 00:52:20
Umm, because of having a boat parked on the side of my home, which was completely on the side of my home. 00:52:28
And you know, I had gone the lengths to pour massive amounts of concrete to Createspace, not only for. 00:52:35
My RV's, boats, whatever it may be, but for also any visitors at my home to keep them off the street. 00:52:44
And I feel like there are a lot of residents that have. 00:52:53
Fulfilled their responsibility of ownership with a recreation vehicle. 00:52:56
By adding RV parking and that should be sufficient. The screening only creates more obstruction in our neighborhood and quite 00:53:01
frankly I I love the openness that we do experience in our neighborhood. I come from a very fenced off neighborhood previous to 00:53:09
this and I did not like that feeling of enclosure. 00:53:16
Therefore, I am totally for this ordinance being rewritten the way that you have it now. 00:53:25
Now that's all I have to say. Thank you so much. 00:53:34
You bet. 00:53:38
Do you have any other Cortana? 00:53:39
Alright, doesn't look like it. Do I have a motion? I think I don't know if you spoke or not. 00:53:45
As you said. 00:53:52
And then Joe Joseph already spoke, doctor. 00:53:57
Hey, Cortana. 00:54:04
12 passenger in their Sprinter van that are about the same size as my Airstream trailer. So I just wanted to put that out there to 00:55:06
make sure that I know I can legally park a car there and some things that way just to. 00:55:12
Make sure we don't have a problem that way. So I appreciate it and thank you for the time. Thank you. 00:55:19
Looks like a Nicole has a comment. 00:55:24
And Nicole, if you could set your first and last name in which paper that would be. 00:55:28
Yes, yeah. My name is Nicole Reichman and I am also in the Sleepy Ridge neighborhood. And we don't currently own a recreational 00:55:34
vehicle or a boat. But we as a family have discussed this many times as we've heard the topic discussed around the neighborhood. 00:55:41
And we wanted to sit in tonight and support our neighbors that are here fighting for what they believe is best for our 00:55:49
neighborhood. And I know that our whole neighborhood comes together often and cares about each other and cares about each other. 00:55:56
Well-being and would never do anything to put harm on any other neighbor and we'd love to support the amendment changing to not 00:56:04
needing a screen. 00:56:09
Thank you for your time. Thank you so much, I hope. 00:56:15
Right. 00:56:20
Any other public comments? 00:56:22
It looked like it. 00:56:24
I have a motion to close the public hearing. 00:56:26
Motion and to close the public hearing, Mrs. Amber Rasmussen. Thank you. Amber. Can I have a second? 00:56:29
Sorry, go ahead. 00:56:36
All right, Jessica with a second and roll call everyone all in favor, Tim. Aye, Tay. 00:56:40
Hey. 00:56:50
Amber hi, Jessica, hi. And me I. 00:56:52
All right, So any of you guys have any comments, anything you? 00:56:58
Thank you. Alright, Amber. 00:57:04
Couple days. First of all, I definitely am not a fan of what I consider micromanagement. 00:57:07
And the screening to me feels like that. I don't think we need to be telling people. 00:57:13
I don't think we need to be telling people that. That's my opinion, so I support removing that piece. 00:57:20
But I wanted to speak to a couple of things that David Murray wrote up. David, you talked about the frustration that you would 00:57:26
feel if we were to put these areas in for people to park recreational vehicles. 00:57:32
The first part is. 00:57:39
I know you've been frustrated about the lack of parking or the intent to put in limited parking, and I think it's really important 00:57:41
that we let people know that that is a movement that is just coming. We're just at the forefront of it. This is the sort of thing 00:57:47
that, as far as I can tell, is going to become more common. We're changing our lifestyles. We're changing the way that we function 00:57:52
in cities. 00:57:58
And, and I think it's important to keep that in mind. We're not just doing that to be. 00:58:04
Weird or. 00:58:10
Or whatever. So there really are good reasons for that. And I would never suggest a giant parking area for recreational vehicles. 00:58:13
Of course, obviously that's stupid. 00:58:18
But I think it could be reasonable if there were small storage facilities where people put those things. 00:58:26
Especially if they're contained. 00:58:33
That's nearly my opinion though. 00:58:35
With regards to safety. 00:58:39
That's a difficult situation because somebody brought up the raised threats in the drive place and I hate that. It's very 00:58:42
dangerous for my kids. It causes me a lot of stress and it really doesn't seem like it's that different from an Arby. 00:58:48
A little bit torn on how I feel about the Arby's being one of the cracking the strikeway. I'd like to hear more from you guys on 00:58:55
it. 00:58:59
If I are you done, Andrew, I'm sorry. 00:59:06
Ask a couple questions and I'll do my best to answer. It's not, I guess we're not really in the format for, for a great debate, 00:59:11
But so I, I, he had mentioned, are there other places in the city where somebody can park in RV on the side or rear yard? Yeah, 00:59:17
there's, there's James Bay. 00:59:24
There's obviously there's three of the cul-de-sac blocks that were approved over the last four years and then you have the 00:59:31
Hamptons. 00:59:36
And I mean, there's a few of them now. A lot of our development is, is set to provide a wide variety of, of housing so that we, we 00:59:42
can attract people from all income levels. That was really important in the city from the beginning was to, to not zone everything 00:59:50
with very large lots. So that the benefit of that is that we, we can have people in our community that that aren't, you know, 00:59:57
super wealthy. You got people at all different income brackets because there's folks that can purchase a single family home on. 01:00:04
100 square foot lot and and obviously. 01:00:13
The code applies to everyone. So how you know that that's one of the reasons why it does indicate that we can't park, you know, 01:00:17
your RV's or camping trailers in the front yard. And also part of that and a lot of that aesthetics and design are, you know, up 01:00:25
to the individual. But the City Council at the time when or the County Council, this was several years ago. 01:00:34
In cash, if you want to look up when the ordinance was originally adopted, I know you've done that research, but it was it was a 01:00:43
long time ago. They felt that they wanted a cohesive design. 01:00:48
So that the front yards had you know, had had come and say look that you wouldn't have large RV's in in, in a lot of front yards. 01:00:53
And so there and that's, that's been consistent from a zoning perspective when you look at other cities, a lot of the cities do. 01:01:02
Do it based off of some aesthetic safety is also a pretty big issue. You know, as you as you drive down the street and sleep the 01:01:11
road is actually a good example too. When you have you know, there are, there are streets that that that do meander. They're not 01:01:17
all very straight. And, and so if you have something in the corner with an RV that was close to the front property line, you are 01:01:23
going to create some view shed. 01:01:30
Or if you view line issues, so so there are some safety Arby's also depending on size could extend very close to a sidewalk. We 01:01:37
would enforce the the anything over a sidewalk because that's that's against our our our ordinance. But even very close to 01:01:44
sidewalk, you could create the visibility issues with the car backing out next to an RV, having a kid or something on a bike on 01:01:51
the sidewalk and so. 01:01:58
You know, there, there are some real safety issues with parking in the front there, but I know that's, that's not necessarily an 01:02:05
advocate by everyone. 01:02:09
There are people who did bring that up. 01:02:12
So. 01:02:16
Yeah, I think those those were kind of the main ones. I mean the reason for the, the, the fencing, you know. 01:02:18
It'd be hard to define the record when this is put in place, but you know, my my guess would be also that that was probably an 01:02:25
aesthetic thing to create some continuity. Fabulous fence line at the front of houses. I mean, that's that's a lot the reason for 01:02:32
setbacks too. Setbacks. There are safety reasons for it, but let's be realistic. A lot of setbacks are to provide you uniformity 01:02:39
and single family neighborhoods and so. 01:02:46
My bet is that was developed for a a uniformity, aesthetic and design type type consideration. Obviously you're still going to see 01:02:54
it, but it would mask the the the the base of it. It creates a definable line that that separates the front yard from the. 01:03:03
Leader from the side and your yard and someone had also brought up. 01:03:13
Enforcement, we mean we we're not when I say we act on complaint basis, that's that's kind of the methodology the City Council has 01:03:19
chosen. We're not a. 01:03:24
I don't know. I don't know. Like I think Brother City, we're not, we're not going into people's backyards and looking at the 01:03:32
fences and trying to catch because there's awarenesses that cover almost everything. 01:03:36
And we are able to enforce that. Someone did bring up enforcement. We absolutely are able to force it. It's Sleepy Ridge. Over the 01:03:41
last few months there was we received complaints in that neighborhood, but we have received complaints of RV's and trailers 01:03:48
throughout the whole city. And you know, there's, there's violations that happen all over the place and we are able to to enforce 01:03:54
them. We do have a enforcement process and we have. 01:04:00
The city attorney's office, and so, you know, typically they're able to get voluntary compliance. 01:04:07
But we do have the the means of ability to bring these to a tool resolution. We often, you know, they know no one wants to go 01:04:14
through that process, but. 01:04:18
From our end staff is charged with enforcing the code and especially as people complain. So if, you know, this brought up, people 01:04:23
could go around and turn other people in. That was all the time. I I can't tell you in science. Or should we send out an 01:04:29
enforcement letter for something? And then that person turns into six of their neighbors and then one of those neighbors turned 01:04:36
into six others. And it's. Yeah, it's obviously it's not it's not the greatest thing. 01:04:42
But we. 01:04:49
Yeah, we act when we're we're called upon. 01:04:51
It's the law that's been put in place by this and council and Staff Rd. enforce it. 01:04:54
They can receive points so. 01:05:00
But from a staff said we're not, we're not taking a position. This is, you know, if you're safe. So we're here to to. 01:05:02
To respond to more force of code as you you recommend or as a City Council. I think I touched on everything if there is anything 01:05:09
else, Chairman, that you'd like me to address. 01:05:15
I know. I think you're good. Hey, thank you. Morgan, do any commissioners have any other comments that they would like to make? 01:05:22
Chairman, I know that that this is something that you seem to feel strongly about. Do you have any comments you'd like to make 01:05:26
right now? 01:05:30
I do, thank you. 01:05:35
I I wonder though there were some comments made in the minutes of our last meeting by a resident. So far tonight, I think almost 01:05:38
all the comments made were in favor of this amendment. 01:05:45
However, there was a pretty good comment made last time. Is there any way to bring that forward, or should we? I mean just to show 01:05:53
that there are opposing views. 01:05:58
To what was said. 01:06:04
I don't know how they become part of the record of this meeting if they are not read or is there any minutes of last meeting? 01:06:07
Yeah, Tim, what we're happy to if there's a call in a record, cash provided and we will read it to the record if if you as 01:06:13
Commissioner asks us to. OK. I, I mean, I could tell you what the references are. 01:06:19
And they were mostly Doctor Britton, who Rose raised some very good questions and. 01:06:27
Observations. 01:06:34
Last time I can give chance or cash ringing the the references to those later or or do you want to do it now? 01:06:36
Josh, why don't you go ahead and you might need a couple minutes. I think it's attached to the last act report. 01:06:45
It. 01:06:52
Yeah, so. 01:06:54
Yeah, primarily they were lines 1. 01:06:57
1122 through 134. 01:07:03
Was one of the references. 01:07:07
Where he was speaking, he also said one 3167 to 169. 01:07:13
Was another reference of his. 01:07:20
So those who just a couple at least. 01:07:24
And I could read them because I've got some cash here if you would like, but. 01:07:29
Yeah, my computer is acting up a little, so if you do want to read those, I'd be fine. 01:07:36
I could just read what Doctor Brinton said, Jim Britton, who's a resident of Sleepy Ridge. 01:07:41
I said in the United States we're expected to live by the rule of law. The reason Vineyard is exceptional because residents here 01:07:47
try to obey these laws and regulations. Each citizen who cares about our community will be law abiding and make Vineyard a better 01:07:52
place to live. 01:07:57
Laws and regulations are established at the inception in each individual community. Each person, by moving here, agrees to follow 01:08:02
the existing regulations. Each new resident must adjust his or her expectations prior to moving into the neighborhood. 01:08:10
Changing the ordinances and regulations thereafter can become a slippery slope. 01:08:20
Unfair to those already living in the community. 01:08:24
The wisdom of the ordinance being discussed today, and that was a month ago, is that a physical structure event beside a home 01:08:28
defines an area. 01:08:32
Without a fence, the area for storing RV's, boats, traders and trucks can easily be expanded or even moved, defeating the location 01:08:37
definition. 01:08:42
We must ask ourselves, where do we draw the line? 01:08:47
Erasing these lines leads to progressive changes that ultimately defeat the original purpose of the ordinance. 01:08:50
Then he goes on to say one 67169. Mr. Brenton stated that preserving the code is written would prevent increases in crime in this 01:08:58
community. Sleepy Ridge and the fences increase the overall appeal and beauty of the neighborhood. 01:09:05
And then I mean, there were other comments made by commissioners which I won't read because they were all pretty much in favor of 01:09:14
the code as it was then worded, but I won't go into that. I I have found that the conversation very interesting. Chairman's. 01:09:22
It seems like the first part was all about HOA's and and this was never about HOA's. 01:09:32
The the wording that is here in this particular code without it being changed was in a city. 01:09:40
Before there was an HOA that was actively involved, so it was a city code. 01:09:49
And so it had nothing to do with each way. 01:09:54
I think about 80% if my calculations are correct. A vineyard is currently under HOA. 01:09:58
About 80% of the current residents are currently under HOA. So Vineyard is certainly a city that has a choice and follows them 01:10:06
very carefully and I think as part of the beauty of of Vineyard. 01:10:13
Sleepy Ridge, and that's kind of the area that we're talking about tonight, and it's the area of where I live, and I think almost 01:10:20
all the people who've spoken tonight also live on the Sleepy Ridge area. 01:10:25
The only comment that was made, and I made that comment in our last meeting where HOA came up and that was when my wife and I 01:10:32
bought here in 2012. 01:10:37
Is that right? Yeah, 2012. 01:10:43
There was an HOA in existence. 01:10:46
And that's why we bought here. 01:10:50
In the last 30 years of our living, we've always lived in any choice. We've loved them. 01:10:52
They can be kind of cranky at times, but their neighborhood run and so on. So we've never been concerned about that, but shortly 01:10:58
after we moved here. 01:11:03
There was a movement within the community to do away with the HOA. The developer turned it over to the residents and there was an 01:11:09
HOA board that was elected. 01:11:14
And shortly after that board was elected, the HOA was disbanded. 01:11:20
Now I mentioned last meeting and I'll just bring it up again. 01:11:26
And again, this isn't about HOA, but it's about past promises and commitments. 01:11:31
The the president elected at the time that that new board HOA was elected is now our current mayor, Julie Fulmer, and she promised 01:11:38
to the community that if the HOA was disbanded that all existing code would continue to be enforced. 01:11:48
And so that was part of the reason that I think that there was a favorable response to disbanding the HOA. 01:11:59
Now, I I totally agree with the comments that have been made that rules and regulations need to be considered reconsidered as time 01:12:07
goes along. And just because they're in place at one particular time in history doesn't mean that they should always stay in 01:12:13
place. 01:12:18
But this is one of those that I feel pretty strongly about. 01:12:24
Morgan mentioned a little bit about aesthetics that hasn't really come up in most of the other conversations. 01:12:28
Aesthetics is a big driver into the value of a community, how that community looks. 01:12:35
Does it look trashy, junkie? Does it look organized, clean? That's what brings people into a community or drives them away and 01:12:41
look at and to look other places. 01:12:46
I think aesthetics is important in a community. 01:12:53
It isn't the only driver, but it is a very important one. 01:12:57
And um. 01:13:01
By having RV's, boats, trailers and all those things screened does enhance the aesthetics of the community. I know there was a 01:13:03
comment made that being fenced in makes you feel uncomfortable and I totally understand that. 01:13:10
But this isn't that. This is really improving the how the community looks. 01:13:19
And Sleepy Rich is one of those communities that we need to maintain how it looks all the time. 01:13:24
There were. I did some research from our last meeting and I checked with the Insurance Institute of America to see what their 01:13:32
statistics were on does fencing add to crime or take away from crime, that is. 01:13:40
Claims filed for damage done. 01:13:50
And they have 70% higher. 01:13:54
Claims being filed when RV votes and so on are exposed to the street. 01:13:58
Because there's more burglary, there's more breaking and entering and all those things because they're out there open and exposed 01:14:04
then there are. 01:14:09
Where when they're blocked and not easily seen. So I thought that was an interesting statistic. 70% higher claims filed when 01:14:15
boats, RV's and so on are exposed to the street then when they are shielded from the street. 01:14:24
You know the wording in the HOA is not the wording in the code is not HOA style. It was written there by people creating a city 01:14:37
for a purpose. 01:14:43
And. 01:14:49
I I mean, I could go on and on, but I won't. Chairman Bryce. 01:14:50
I am very much against the proposed amendment. 01:14:56
And would strongly like to see us be able to retain. 01:15:02
The image that many of us bought into Sleepy Ridge, Umm. 01:15:07
If you, if you go around Sleepy Ridge, you'll see that about 1/3 or so of the homes that have RV's and boats, etcetera, have done 01:15:13
what the code says. They have screened their vehicles or they've removed them from the property and they're storing them someplace 01:15:19
else. 01:15:25
So there have been a lot of people that have gone to the extent to do just exactly what the code requires. 01:15:33
And it just seems like a betrayal of them at this time to say, well, your expenses are really worth it and we're going to go for 01:15:40
those who don't want to screen their properties. So those would be my comments right now, and I'll stop there. OK. Thank you so 01:15:47
much, Tim. Thank you, Rice. Dave, did you have anything or Jessica? 01:15:54
Yeah. 01:16:04
So I appreciate Morgan and Tim's comments. Just clarifying that, you know, I know we've heard from a lot of City Ridge residents 01:16:06
and I appreciate everyone's comments, but this was never like about Sleepy Bridge alone. You know, this looks like this is a city 01:16:12
code that's not targeting one neighborhood over another. You know, and this isn't really about an HOA versus not HOA either. This 01:16:18
is a city coded. 01:16:24
It's interesting because the last meeting, you know, we heard statistics of other like peer cities and it was kind of split half 01:16:32
and half and like whether the screening requirement was part of, you know, the code or not. 01:16:37
But, you know, so it's not like it was even inconsistent with some peer cities, although there were some cities that didn't have 01:16:44
the screening requirement. So I don't think that the code is necessarily, you know, just like out there in outer space like super 01:16:51
extreme either. But I, I do think that things over time can be updated and that's reasonable as well. And so I am someone that I'm 01:16:59
like, open to the change. 01:17:06
Presented I'm not at all open to the idea that the side yard would be removed. That restriction for the side yard, I think that 01:17:13
there are circumstances where. 01:17:18
I think this is about aesthetics. That boils down to if we retain the parts that keep safety, this becomes about aesthetics. And 01:17:25
that is a completely subjective idea. And I'm sure that we could find as many residents as spoke today, you know, here that thinks 01:17:31
that the aesthetic should remain and that that isn't it looks better with the fence as we find those that feel like it doesn't 01:17:37
look better with the fence and that. 01:17:43
It does come down to aesthetics and that is subjective. And so again, I really appreciate everyone that spoke and I am open to the 01:17:50
idea of removing that in favor of what you know is is wanted by the residents at this time that change. But I would strongly, you 01:17:58
know suggest keeping the the rear inside yard requirement for parking. 01:18:06
Chairman, can I ask question real quick? I, I can't remember, was the public hearing officially closed? 01:18:17
Tate, did you have some comments? 01:18:52
I. 01:18:56
It's hard. It's hard to know. 01:19:01
Where to sit on? 01:19:03
It seems to only be affecting. 01:19:10
Small parts of the city. 01:19:13
Here in the shem nut we don't like there's there isn't even the option of. 01:19:16
Parking or recreational vehicle in our side yard. 01:19:21
Because we barely have enough to. 01:19:26
Mower long, you know, push our lawn mower through the back to our backyard. 01:19:30
So. 01:19:35
I've been thinking. 01:19:37
Some good points were brought up. 01:19:40
On both sides. 01:19:42
I don't particularly love the aesthetic of not having a screen. 01:19:44
But I'm also not opposed to adjusting. 01:19:50
I don't know that we're really ready to make it. 01:19:55
I don't know that I am, but I can if I have to tonight. 01:20:00
Yeah, I did. Just so you know, a lot of times that Planning Commission goes typically fall kind of all on the same side of, of an 01:20:06
issue. You, you know, you don't have to, you know, I when when you get to the parts of an promotion or you can also continue it if 01:20:12
you need more information or or you need more time. But I I just got to put that out there. The Commission does. You don't have to 01:20:18
all agree. 01:20:24
And so I would just say folks, how you know how like where we stand just I would probably get the at that point or you are also 01:20:30
able to continue the public hearing and if, if the Commission needs the time just to throw that out there. So I guess my biggest 01:20:38
question is what is the what would be the purpose of changing it? Like why? 01:20:45
Why? 01:20:54
I feel like that is. 01:20:57
Pretty key as we move forward and. 01:20:58
Changing things that affect every resident. 01:21:02
Or at least in this case. 01:21:06
This isn't a code that's been in existence for 14 years. 01:21:10
Great. And I'm just wondering why now is it being brought up to be changed? Like what is the difference now? Well, I, I think for 01:21:15
me and and cash all you know, you can chime in, but I think part of the reason that it's being brought up now is that it's never 01:21:23
been challenged before and we've just kind of ignored. 01:21:31
The code that there were people who who chose to go by the code and and put screening in and others who did not. 01:21:40
And either they didn't know it was code or they were told something different by a realtor or something that they didn't have that 01:21:50
information. And so because of complaints being. 01:21:55
Sent to the city to say there are X number of violations in Sleepy Ridge and then cast, I should say the city enforcer, no names 01:22:02
ascribed to it, but doing his job. They sent out violation basically. And so that I think the difference is right now there are 01:22:11
individuals who have received violations and they want the code change so that they will not. 01:22:21
Be in violation for the vote. 01:22:31
I think that's the why now. 01:22:33
Yeah. So I agree that that's kind of the why. Now there's also there's the group of people that have votes and currently aren't 01:22:35
following the current ordinance. And there are also people that once purchased boats or RV's that want to follow the ordinance but 01:22:42
don't want to have a fence. So that's kind of. 01:22:49
Different, different people wanting different things. Yeah, it's different, different reasons, but it's kind of welcome to Beam 01:22:57
because. 01:23:00
Just what's happened on the last day, I don't know, a couple of months or something. 01:23:04
And and change just the kind of from the record. And this isn't necessarily an opinion, but it's just from the record. But we've 01:23:07
been told and I've been told this personally from from, you know, residents, not just as the marriage, but just over the past few 01:23:13
years. But we have enforced this, like I said, over the last several years. 01:23:18
There is a a cost depending on the length and then the type of fence and the game that there could be in the range of several 01:23:25
$1000. And so I I know that that is a big concern to to a lot of residents is it does get pretty costly. 01:23:32
And fencing price, any construction material, especially now is, is through the roof. I can speak for myself trying to trying to 01:23:40
build a house right now and it's not cheap and I think a lot of you have gone through that and it's only getting more expensive. 01:23:47
So there, there is a, a cost component to that. We did hear and I thought this week this was kind of interesting as well. One of 01:23:53
the public comments had mentioned that I, I believe he said his RV may stick out in front. 01:24:00
Of the, you know, the front face of the of his garage slightly and you can't really tell the difference. But if you had A and 01:24:07
maybe that is side yard can accommodate or isn't long enough. But if you had a fence there, then you know, right at the side yard 01:24:13
where you know, cutting the front yard side yard, it could it could kind of block maybe some of those longer vehicles. So I you 01:24:19
know, I don't know that that was something I was brought up in there. I don't know cash. Were there any other like really 01:24:25
specific? 01:24:31
Reasons in some of the comments as to why. 01:24:37
Not really. I think we we hit it all, yeah. 01:24:41
OK. 01:24:46
As far as the. 01:24:50
48 hour. 01:24:53
Parking. I feel like that's a reasonable amount of time. 01:24:55
And. 01:25:03
Can you pull up what we're changing it to? So keep clicking back and forth, basically helping on that. Yeah, the only thing that 01:25:05
would be a change from the current thing is adding is taking away having to put a covering or a fence in front of the screen. 01:25:13
We did talk previously and if you guys have any comments on this, specifically about changing it from 48 hours to 24 hours, that's 01:25:21
something that we were thinking about in our last meeting that we discussed this. 01:25:27
OK, uh. 01:25:34
Yeah, I I wouldn't. 01:25:38
I don't personally think we need to talk about that again. 01:25:40
OK. 01:25:48
Maybe this is also something? 01:25:52
We should survey the city at large about. 01:25:54
And maybe the other neighborhoods don't care, maybe they do, I don't know. Should we take their opinions into consideration as 01:25:59
well? 01:26:03
I think. 01:26:09
Most of fingers is like your neighborhood. I mean much of it is where they don't have an option right now. 01:26:10
You have the shores, you know you have a few more areas, not many. 01:26:21
Most of them would be in similar situations as you are. 01:26:28
Great. 01:26:31
Yes, OK. Just to kind of add on, I know you weren't really necessarily saying this, but I think it's. 01:26:33
The fence is only required if you have a RV or a camping trail park there. In your case, you know most people are included off 01:26:39
fences and that that is because they they want, you know, maybe the developer could put them in. I don't know how Michelle was 01:26:46
bumped up, but the offense is not required under the code. 01:26:53
It's only required if you if you have an RV, so I don't know. 01:27:02
You know, if that was something that that you were kind of considering, you brought. 01:27:07
So it kind of feels like a luxury tax. 01:27:12
So Amber, Jessica and Tim, do you guys specifically have any comments about the 48 hours of 24 hour thing? Do you think we should 01:27:19
just leave it? Do you think it should be 24 hours? 01:27:25
I'm sorry, OK, There's a lot of arguments right now and I'm not in, you know, super rich and in Water's Edge and Hampton. And at 01:27:34
times it feels like the 48 hours, there's so many that there's always one on the street, you know, and so. 01:27:42
I I like the idea of 24 hours better, but I don't know that I would take action to change it. And I do sympathize with the idea 01:27:53
that it is hard to get stuff in and out at times and so you know that it seems a little tight even though. 01:28:01
Sometimes it, at least in my neighbor, I feel like it would, it would do good in terms of just RV's on the street, but I I think 01:28:09
it's a little tight and so I probably leave it where it's at. 01:28:15
And, and, and I, you know, I'm fine with the 48 hours. I wouldn't argue strongly to change it. However, I would say be grateful 01:28:22
that you didn't have my mother. 01:28:27
Because because we had a boat and our boat had to be completely cleaned up, clean everything taken out, gasoline drained, washed 01:28:33
off within four hours. 01:28:39
Bringing it home and you know, we always made that deadline. 01:28:45
So for me, 24 hours is a luxury. 01:28:49
But I'm not going to argue strongly one way or another. I just think you can easily get RV's and both cleaned up in a few hours 01:28:53
because I've lived that life. 01:28:57
Yeah, I was just thinking more of. 01:29:03
I'm the one packing the camper perspective. 01:29:06
And I I need a little more time with all the kids anyway. 01:29:11
All right, So for me personally. 01:29:15
I am fine but the way that it's written and right here with removing the fencing not needing the fencing for me personally, I 01:29:19
someday want to get a vote. Not right now, but it would be cool to have a vote someday. And if the fence were there it would block 01:29:27
my and my second entrance into my half a side entrance for my garage. It blocked that entrance so I couldn't. I would have to get 01:29:34
off of or get out of my vehicle to be able to go and open the gate and then get in the side yard and then pull into. 01:29:41
So for me personally. 01:29:50
That would be super annoying for the people that if safety is a concern, I. 01:29:52
As far as robberies and stuff like put the fence in like if, if you think that it's going to be a benefit for you, I personally 01:30:00
say, but the tension, if you think it looks aesthetically better, put the fence in. Nothing is stopping anybody from putting a 01:30:07
fence in. If you think that it's going to make your yard look better, then absolutely do it. So for me personally, I'm. 01:30:14
I'm fine with the moving the front. 01:30:23
Screening if needed. 01:30:26
And as far as the 48 hours ago, I personally would like to see it be 24 hours, but I'm fine with 48 hours. Our roads are just so 01:30:29
narrow that having a big RV out on the road that takes up half the road so. 01:30:36
But 48 hours? I understand that it takes time to pack and stuff like that. Another argument for the screening is some people have. 01:30:45
The side yard and they have side entrance garages. 01:30:55
So they'll have to put a fence all the way across blocking their garages. So they would have to open up that fence just to be able 01:31:02
to park in their garage. And so it limits some people from. 01:31:07
Being able to do that comfortably. So Bryce, just to clarify and maybe I'm not hearing you correctly, but the if you park it 01:31:13
inside of a structure, then that you know, obviously the garage door count counts as the fence, so. 01:31:21
I'm just talking about like if, if, if it's in the side yard to that, Yeah. If it's in the side yard to that, yes. So personally, 01:31:31
I like the way that it's written down. 01:31:36
But we don't have to agree on everything. If you don't agree with a motion that's made, you can say no. 01:31:42
And we're all here to have different opinions and bring something to the table so we don't have to be unanimous on everything. 01:31:50
That being said, does anybody want to make a motion? 01:31:59
Can I ask you a question before that? Yeah, sorry. And real quick, we were talking about clarifying the side yard. Do we want to 01:32:03
clarify that more if you make a motion? 01:32:08
Probably clarify more with the cider it is. Maybe the vehicles can't stick out beyond the front of the house. Or would you like me 01:32:14
to pull up the definition right now? 01:32:19
Yes, that would be helpful 'cause I think we would be duplicating that effort. 01:32:24
Because I think it's pretty clear the way it's worded now. 01:32:29
OK, Just really quick clarifying. So Morgan, just to clarify, like whether this motion passed or not, or if there's a motion, if 01:32:34
it passed like this is not changing the, the like the like the code, this will be giving a recommendation to the City Council and 01:32:41
they have the power to vote for this or not vote for this. This would only be a recommendation. The Planning Commission does not 01:32:47
have the power to actually change it. I just want to make sure that that's true. 01:32:54
Yeah, right. In this capacity, you're a recommended body. Now you can make a recommendation for denial approval or recommendation 01:33:01
of, you know, approving with the additions of AB and C, you know, your, your, your motion can be, it can be the whole gamut of, 01:33:06
of, you know, of choices. 01:33:12
So Morgan, did you find that language? Yeah, Yeah, I did. And what you could do here, just give me a second to get it up is if, if 01:33:19
you want to, that's something that the planning cushion, I saw the autograph, it's with this definition. If you want, we could 01:33:26
bring those back separately in another meeting and and develop some graphics for the other definitions. So you don't necessarily 01:33:33
have to have those now, you know, you could, we could break about some of these things like that. 01:33:41
This is Tay. I think that having that specifically. 01:33:49
In there, I know it's a duplication of what's already written in the code, Tim. 01:33:56
But a lot. Oftentimes residents look up specific things. 01:34:03
And then they have a hard time finding. 01:34:09
Definitions and I feel like it would allow this particular. 01:34:12
Issue which will be looked at frequently by many people. 01:34:17
Right. 01:34:22
Do not have to go searching elsewhere and having to call the city to make sure it will just all be in one spot for them or what? 01:34:25
What we could even do is OK so I can just read this in the record real quick. So yard side and open on unoccupied space on the 01:34:32
same lot as a building between the rear lot or between the rear line of the building and the front line of the building and 01:34:40
extending from the sideline of the building to the side lot line. 01:34:47
Except on coil lots, the side yard ordering the street shall extend to the rear from the front line of the building to the rear 01:34:55
line of the building, the same just as required from the side yard setbacks of corn lots in each stop. So I mean, obviously to me 01:35:02
have a planner that that makes sense. So you're taking the building lines and that creates your box. So from an enforcement 01:35:10
standpoint, it's pretty clear, but maybe from a citizen standpoint it's not not super clear. 01:35:17
So what we could do is create some company graphics, put them in the definition here. And then we could add a reference in the RV 01:35:25
code to to to the definitions. But we could have because I probably wouldn't put the actual definition in there, but I would 01:35:32
reference, you know, go, go to the definition section. But we could put the the graphics like like under that code. So you know 01:35:39
what I mean, because I think the graphics could really help. 01:35:47
Understand because we you know the graphic would be easier if you raised the prop lines building and then you show like your your 01:35:55
side yard. 01:35:59
I mean it, it could also be easy to just add the line in that says with no part protruding beyond the front of the house, Yeah. 01:36:04
Might be would be easier to do. 01:36:14
You probably want to say the frontline of the house, but that's a defined term, yeah. 01:36:17
OK. Is anybody prepared to make a motion on this? 01:36:24
A motion to approve. 01:36:34
Recommend. 01:36:38
Recommend approval. 01:36:40
With the modification made to the screening. 01:36:43
As written. 01:36:47
What am I saying, Morgan? You got it. Hey. And then if you want. 01:36:49
If you want that added language and you can say with the addition of. 01:36:55
The addition of the clarification. 01:37:01
Talking about yeah, the language so that the front of the RV or trailer is nice is not protrude or extend. 01:37:05
Beyond the firm line the house without cookware with clarified language about the side yard restriction. 01:37:16
I have a second. 01:37:25
Just 10, we'll second that. All right. And all in favor, we're going to go through this, Tim. 01:37:27
Knee right tape. 01:37:33
Yes. 01:37:38
Amber yes. 01:37:40
Jessica. 01:37:42
Yes. And price, yes. 01:37:44
Motion passes. 01:37:47
Passes 4 to one, four to one, Yes, there you go. Tim was an AI. 01:37:50
So we're going to move on to Section 6 and then Bryce real quick. So those are on this will go to the City Council in the next 01:38:00
meeting on Wednesday. So that's next Wednesday at 6:00. And I think there's going to be Zoom link that you can get on their 01:38:07
agenda. And please, like I said, e-mail any of your comments to. 01:38:13
To cash, you'll find them on the notice or on on the website so. 01:38:21
Will there be a public meeting or public hearing in that meeting as well? Morgan public hearing So you can you can speak into the 01:38:29
record as well. Thank you. Thank you. 01:38:33
Maybe 6.1 in general plan review and that should be Brian. 01:38:41
Hello everybody. Yeah, pleasure to be here. 01:38:49
So I'm going to be speaking about the 2021 review of the 2018 General Plan, and I have a presentation here that I want to post so 01:38:52
that everyone can see it. 01:38:59
Just share my screen. 01:39:08
OK. 01:39:23
Everybody able to see that? 01:39:26
Yeah, how do I get it so that you can? 01:39:30
Like we don't have this black screen. 01:39:34
Do you know how to do it? 01:39:37
How kids are the black screen doesn't show, just the presentation. 01:39:39
Are you guys able, do you guys see the black screen on the sides or do you just see the presentation? 01:39:44
See the black screen and the black screen all around it? 01:39:54
The black screen is now gone. Yeah, I closed it. 01:40:00
And we see the PowerPoint. 01:40:07
Slides up to the side. 01:40:09
Hold on. Sorry guys, you just want to run it like that that that looks. 01:40:13
Anything on my computer at least. 01:40:17
OK. 01:40:21
One quick SEC. We can get it going the right way. If not, we'll just run it as is. 01:40:23
We still have the code amendment showing as well on the screen. 01:40:31
OK. 01:40:36
You know, we'll just run it like this. 01:40:38
Sorry. 01:40:41
You know, for for me, Brian, I have bad eyes. 01:40:46
They and I'm on a laptop that's actually pretty good. I'm able to see everything. I don't know about this. Yeah. Does this show up 01:40:50
OK? 01:40:55
We'll figure this out for next time. OK, so. 01:41:00
In that picture. 01:41:10
Sorry, Phragmites. And they must be. They must be. 01:41:12
For those who are not familiar with what a general plan is, a general plan is basically a guiding document that governs how growth 01:41:21
and development will take place in the city. It talks about topics like economic development, parks and open space, 01:41:27
transportation, things like that, and it's important to regularly review. 01:41:34
And update the general plan just to. 01:41:42
Touch base with how we're doing as a city to analyze our existing conditions and how best to move forward. 01:41:45
So the general plan has been looked at pretty thoroughly and and broken down by by the community development department and we've. 01:41:54
We've been able to find some of the, you know, errors and accuracy places that need improvement. And so that's going to that's 01:42:07
going to be what we are what I am presenting today. And, and just to let you know about all that. 01:42:13
So what this, what this is not, it's, this is not intended to be a complete overhaul of the general plan, but we will be making 01:42:23
minor amendments to some of the goals and strategies and some parts of of various elements within the plan. 01:42:31
We are going to be updating the maps, tables and diagrams, but our main focus for 20/21 will will be two main elements of chapters 01:42:40
within the general plan and that's the open space parks, chosen lakefront and the moderate income housing. 01:42:48
So to start off with the good, the general plan is, is actually a very good document. It's it's an excellent starting point and 01:43:05
and provides us a good foundation for moving forward. It really shows the communities history, our intended vision and really 01:43:11
captures the essence of Vineyard City. 01:43:17
Which shows the type of great plan that can be made when it when a community is engaged thoroughly in the planning process, which 01:43:24
which Vineyard residents were. It sets out some worthwhile strategies and goals for the future that touch on equity, 01:43:33
sustainability, improving mobility, bringing businesses to Vineyard. And it really does function as a as a as a good plan, but. 01:43:42
You know and and it does also provide. 01:43:53
A An action plan on steps that needs to be taken in the future to accomplish our goals. But with any plan, you know, communities 01:43:56
grow, is growing and changing as we go along. And so the plan has to continue to evolve and grow as as the city does. 01:44:04
So touching on some on some of the places of improvement there aren't, you know, some writing and scripting errors that weren't 01:44:19
taught. 01:44:24
I'm gonna move this. 01:44:29
That might be a little better, so let's see. 01:44:32
Some writing in 15 years that that were overlooked by the original writers of of of the plan. 01:44:36
There's things like spelling errors and gram errors and punctuations, redundancies. Word choice in some places is not always the 01:44:43
best and so, but those need to be further looked at with a fine tooth comb as we'll again revisit the plan and catch catch more of 01:44:50
these writing errors. 01:44:56
A lot of the times. 01:45:05
Planning concepts and planning vocabulary is not always clear. And so part of part of a big improvement for the plan is making the 01:45:08
plan easy to understand and educated for for the public. There's a lot of acronyms in the planning world that people just aren't 01:45:17
familiar with. You know, what's an NPO? What is U dot ETA? What is LID? So all these things could be further defined. 01:45:26
Within the plan, just to make it understood. 01:45:35
Sometimes the benefits are a rationale for going with certain strategies is not always explained. 01:45:39
And so we can, we can make sure to to to provide a reasoning of the benefits. 01:45:46
Some of the role, the role of some of the local governing bodies and individuals also could be a little explained. So like what is 01:45:51
the City Council do? What, what does the mayor do? What's the Planning Commission do? So those are all the things that provide a 01:45:57
little more of an educational element to the plan. 01:46:03
So when it comes to user friendliness, the plan is pretty long. It's 151 pages, so it is filled with great content, but there are 01:46:12
definitely places where that could be condensed or shortened. 01:46:18
It might help to provide a glossary and index to allow easier reference for some of the topics that are treated within the plan. 01:46:26
Also having the document be a interactive document where you can click on things and like, for example, like the table of 01:46:33
contents, that's just going to make it easier for people to find the information that they need quicker. Because right now none of 01:46:39
the none of the contents of the document are are clickable. So there's no hyperlinks, there's no. 01:46:46
PDF bookmarks. And so people literally have to scroll through, you know what could be 80 to 90 pages to find whatever they're 01:46:54
trying to find. 01:46:57
Some of the language within the plan can be vague at times, just to provide you a few examples. 01:47:05
In my opinion, a plan needs to outline clear and definite steps and so sometimes the language will say things like consider doing 01:47:17
this or consider doing that. 01:47:23
Study this or study that. Even though those are good sentences, they don't specifically provide an outline if you if you're 01:47:29
understanding. 01:47:34
It'll mention the importance of working with institutions, agencies or organizations, but often, not always often it'll it won't 01:47:41
mention what organizations need to work with. Does. Is that referring to the Mountain Lion Association of Government? Is that 01:47:48
referring to some housing organization that that could help us, you know, bring more affordable housing? 01:47:55
And so we need to outline specifically what organizations it's intending for us to work with. 01:48:03
On another note. 01:48:10
It'll also say that. 01:48:14
Funding is required to accomplish a certain task or strategy, but it doesn't always say how much or where that that source of 01:48:17
funding is going to come from. A lot of times funding is time sensitive. So federal institutions or organizations will offer 01:48:24
funding, and not just federal. Lots of institutions will offer funding, but you need to meet certain deadlines in certain times of 01:48:31
the year and a lot of times. 01:48:39
Applications are are it can take a long time to prepare and so we need to be ahead of the ahead of the game with that. 01:48:46
The plants sometimes also mentions plans and programs that are still in the development phase within the city, such as the parks 01:48:54
and trails master plan, the bicycle master plan and others. There's I have a long list of those, but it makes it so that. 01:49:03
It's just a little confusing, you know, can we rely on on some of these things that haven't yet been put in place, but that we're 01:49:12
still working on. So it's, it's good for for them to note, but maybe we need to just specify that those are still being worked on 01:49:17
and et cetera. 01:49:22
There's, since the plan has now been in effect for two years, there's some, there's some information tables, charts, diagrams that 01:49:30
are, have now are, are just out of date, you know, and we've gotten the, I think we now have access to the 2020 census data. And 01:49:37
so we need to be able to use that most recent data to, to display the most accurate and, and recent information in terms of 01:49:44
demographics, jobs and employment. 01:49:51
Occupancy area, median income, all kinds of topics that are treated in in the plan. 01:49:58
Some of our maps need to be updated and changed as well, the land use map, the transportation map, and the open space parks and 01:50:05
trails map, so we just need to have them reflect the most true and accurate information. 01:50:12
OK, so quick word on structure and formatting. I've studied a lot of plants, you know, general plans, neighborhood plans, whatever 01:50:22
plans. There's so many out there. And in my opinion, I have a problem with a vision statement. 01:50:30
Showing up 1/6 of the way through the entire plant. So maybe that's just a little particularity with me, but because of vision 01:50:39
statement kind of sets the tone for the entire plan. I feel like we could probably move it a little closer to the start. Again, 01:50:46
that might be just nitpicking, but again, I think it's pretty important because we have a wonderful vision thing. I think it's 01:50:53
really powerful and, and, and really explains where we want to go, but maybe just get sort of a little quicker. 01:51:00
The plan, the way it's been written, there's also no no way to really quantify our goals and strategies. 01:51:08
And I've been taught that that girls like effective goals should be smart as I've laid out there in the in the PowerPoint. So goal 01:51:18
should be specific, measurable, attainable, relevant and time testable. So a lot of the strategies don't guide us towards some 01:51:25
sort of quantitative way of, of doing them and they don't really provide a timetable for doing them. And so I think we can as, as 01:51:32
we look at these. 01:51:39
Specific elements each year maybe we can hone in on. 01:51:47
On providing some sort of quantitative measures and time testable, some time frames for those as we go along. 01:51:53
Design Workshop, who is the consultant that helped us create the the general plan. They provided sample metrics at the end of each 01:52:03
element, which is great because they give us ideas on how to be able to measure our goals and sizes, but they're not concrete. 01:52:10
They're just you consider doing this. Consider measuring it this way or that way. 01:52:16
At the very end of the plan, they provide something called an implementation matrix, and basically what that is, it goes through 01:52:24
each of the goals and strategies of the general plan. 01:52:29
And they provided little icons. So there's like a money sign icon and like a time, a little clock icon. And the more, the more 01:52:35
money signs or the more clock signs that it has is representative of either more money required to accomplish that strategy or 01:52:42
more time required to accomplish that strategy. And, and that's great. But as I said, we, maybe we can move towards having these 01:52:50
like SMART goals where we, we can measure up to, to how we're doing and, and keep ourselves. 01:52:57
So just some overall. 01:53:08
Topics in the general plan that. 01:53:12
Need to be delved deeper into and I've created a big. 01:53:15
Pretty large list, but I'm just going to go through some of them. Moderate income housing. 01:53:19
That element of the general plan is, is for lack of a better expression. Tell me about bones. I think we could we could definitely 01:53:24
be doing a little more to bring more affordable housing to to our city parks and open space in East Vineyard is something that we 01:53:33
could look at. Parking issues as we know are very prevalent throughout the community. We could look at that 88 accessibility. 01:53:41
Improving bicycle infrastructure and the level of service provided. 01:53:50
Throughout the city is also something that we can we can look at. I've attached more topics in the In the South report, but those 01:53:54
are just some that that I wanted to list in in the presentation. 01:54:00
All right, so let's talk about this. The the general plan survey that was administered to city staff and to the Planning 01:54:09
Commission. 01:54:13
So in total we had 66 commissioners that participated in the survey and we had four staff members that participated. And basically 01:54:20
the survey lined down all the goals and strategies that are in the general plan. And I think there's about there was about 188 01:54:29
lines or goals and charges in in the in the plan. So it does list a lot of strategies. 01:54:38
And the the purpose of the spreadsheet was there was 5 possible answers. 01:54:48
Six possible answers. If you include the comments, you can either so you would read the individual strategy and the participant 01:54:53
can either answer yes, the city has answered or the city has addressed this strategy effectively. No, the city has not yet 01:55:01
addressed this strategy in progress. So we're in the in the process of addressing that strategy. 01:55:09
Or you could the the next option was this is a part. This should be a priority for the city. 01:55:18
Or NA, which basically means either it's not applicable or relevant to the city anymore, or they're simply not enough information 01:55:26
that the participant wasn't was did not have enough information to make an official declaration or decision on that. 01:55:34
And then there was a final tab where where the participant could provide their own personal comments on on the topic. 01:55:44
And so. 01:55:54
There so each each participant just answered as best they could based on their knowledge and experience and of course with any 01:55:58
survey that's provided ever there are some biases that that are introduced and and I think some of the most popular or common 01:56:04
biases with this particular survey was. 01:56:09
The level of exposure to to the actions being taken with each particular strategy. Obviously we don't know everything about, you 01:56:17
know, the work of each individual department in the city. And so that kind of effects your ability to vote. 01:56:24
Sampling size, so only you know, 1010 people total participated in the survey. And so usually you want to have as many people, you 01:56:33
know, as much people as you can have in the survey. That really represents a an accurate decision, but we're doing our best here 01:56:39
and so. 01:56:45
There were some non response biases, so some of the some of the boxes weren't checked or you know, no response was was provided on 01:56:52
some and then the size of the survey itself was lengthy as I explained so. 01:56:59
I can see in a lot of the results that people were getting tired the further along they went, so. 01:57:07
Next time we do a review, we'll probably consider doing a way that's probably a little a little easier, but we do thank you guys 01:57:15
for participating, doing the very best you can because you have provided really useful information. 01:57:20
So I do want to go into the specific findings of each of the categories, so I'm trying to go along as fast as we can. 01:57:31
So let's talk about historic preservation and and some of the findings based on on the results. And this was the element with the 01:57:40
fewest amount of yes responses. So meaning that a lot of the strategies and goals are not yet being accomplished. 01:57:49
Or or are are in process. 01:58:00
And I feel that this could be indicative of just or potentially indicative of a lack of resources or assistance maybe. 01:58:03
And so maybe we as a city could reflect and ask ourselves how we can continue to aid this, this particular element of the general 01:58:13
plan. 01:58:19
I do want to show you some comments made made regarding the specific element. Some questions were asked about historical 01:58:25
artifacts. How is the city in possession of historical artifacts? I know that we are Tim Blackburn. Could, could, would speak to 01:58:31
that. 01:58:37
How many are there? Who has them? Do we have an inventory of these? Also, do we know of historical sites throughout the city that 01:58:44
that are important to us? 01:58:49
Are there any, have we identified any specific locations where we want to celebrate our history specifically? I know that we're 01:58:56
we're looking at the front Runner station as a potential place to celebrate vineyards rich history, but other other, other places 01:59:02
saw something we need to think about. 01:59:07
The strategies for educating the public, do we want to do that through signage, plaques, museum. So these are questions that were 01:59:14
posed by by participants who took the survey. 01:59:19
That says plagues. 01:59:27
Sorry about that. OK. What kind of planning process is there that's part of your plan? 01:59:34
Don't do this to you right now, okay? Land use. 01:59:42
Landis is one of our elements in the general plan that that has been given a healthy amount of of attention and and support. 01:59:48
It's the element with the least amount of no votes. It's the one with the second highest amount of yes votes. 01:59:59
And a relatively amount, a relatively high amount of priority votes. 02:00:08
And as you can see, the, the any votes are also pretty low. So we're I, I, I, I think we can see that what we've been doing pretty 02:00:14
good in this, in this department. 02:00:18
Here's some comments. We need to be definitive about our landing strategies. The plan often says things like we need to promote a 02:00:23
pattern of growth or promote a pattern of development, but the plan is not really specific on as to what. What does that mean? 02:00:32
Does that mean increasing density? Does that mean a grid system in terms of urban form? Do we want to continue to? 02:00:40
Allow maybe a more suburban style of development like we just need to. 02:00:50
Really identify what that means. 02:00:55
A lot of the participants are calling for increased mixed uses. So and what that means is is putting together residential with 02:00:57
commercial with retail with maybe some office space and so that they can all dive together that that's that's mixed-use. What is 02:01:04
our community brand and identity as a city. 02:01:11
And maybe this last one, parking issues might be more of a transportation issue, but it it was one of the things that was 02:01:20
repeatedly commented on in the landing section, so. 02:01:24
OK. In terms of parts and open space, I think parts and open space if if we're just going off of the results of the survey, it's 02:01:31
definitely been our our it's been our area of greatest accomplishment in the city. 84 yes votes, 120 in progress votes and the 02:01:40
highest number of priority votes. It's also the the element that has the greatest amount of. 02:01:49
Strategies in the whole plan. 02:01:59
Now it talks about those four different categories, open space, park stills and lakefront. It does have a high amount of no vote, 02:02:00
no votes too. But I think it just has to do with the with the, you know, just a sheer amount of strategies that we have on there. 02:02:06
So very healthy, doing well in that in that regard. 02:02:12
Here's some comments. Dog parks as a priority, Where are we going to get them? When are we going to get them? Things like that. 02:02:19
Wetland conservation, is that something that we're going to continue to pursue? Someone asks or someone stated it seems like the 02:02:26
city is focusing on getting rid of wetlands and so is that something that we're actively going to continue to pursue? Parks and 02:02:33
open space and E vineyard. That's a challenging one, but one that. 02:02:39
Is really good to focus on because most of our parks and open space, unless they're in, you know, a private HOA somewhere. 02:02:47
Are mostly on the West side or in the center of the city. 02:02:55
You know, there was a lot of expressions towards finishing or completing trail connections, especially along the lakefront, and 02:02:59
then lots of comments have to do with the influence of maintaining those. 02:03:06
Continual partnerships with our neighboring municipalities such as Orem, Linden and Provo. 02:03:15
So moving on, economic development also doing quite good in this regard. Lots of in particular lots of yes votes, some more NA 02:03:25
votes. And so like, like we stated, that might just be a lack of exposure, a lack of, you know, communication information being 02:03:32
being handed down or. 02:03:39
Passed on in meetings and such. 02:03:48
And here are some of the comments. When should we and when should we get a Vineyard Chamber of Commerce to help local businesses? 02:03:52
How are we going to continue to promote vineyard tourism? What are some target industries the the plan mentions that quite often 02:04:00
attract target industries, you know. 02:04:07
Help target industries, but we need to again be really solid and clear as to what. 02:04:16
Target indices we're referring to is that service industries, medical industries, tech. We've been seeing a lot of growth in 02:04:21
industrial. So yeah, just continue to address that and how are we going to continue to foster startups and entrepreneurs. 02:04:29
So these are all comments made. 02:04:37
Moving on to transportation. 02:04:40
Umm, sorry. 02:04:43
Get my notes here. 02:04:45
Transportation was the third highest category with yes votes. We are achieving a lot of our strategies. A lot of our strategies 02:04:47
are are in progress. I was kind of surprised to see that not a lot of this one didn't receive a lot of priority votes seeing that 02:04:54
like you know, parking has been a big issue and we're still continuing to grow as a city. And so we got new roadways that we need 02:05:01
to build or connect and things like that. But I would say that this has also been an area of. 02:05:09
For the city. 02:05:17
Hear some of the comments again. Connect to trail connections or sorry. 02:05:20
Strengthen those trail connections. Another call for mixed-use and and density that would support. 02:05:26
A public transit Public transit friendly city. 02:05:35
There's also a call to support alternative modes of transportation, and what this had to do with specifically was electric 02:05:40
vehicles. We're seeing a lot more of those throughout the city supporting things like line scooters or Bird scooters. 02:05:48
And because those kind of things, if we want to be transit oriented, they kind of help with first and last mile connections. And 02:05:59
what that is, is helping people make those first and last miles to public transit. So just helping them get to to public transit 02:06:05
that would help them not have to be so reliant on their vehicles. 02:06:12
And then? 02:06:20
How are we going to make significant entrances to vineyards so that people know when they're entering our city and that they've 02:06:22
entered a place that's unique and, and, you know, different? 02:06:29
So, um. 02:06:39
This is the results for public facilities. I would say the public facilities is doing good, but this one was probably the highest 02:06:41
one with with the most amount of NA votes. So we just simply are not receiving a lot of exposure to the work being done in regards 02:06:48
to public facilities and service and services. 02:06:54
So the participants wanted to see that Vineyard is investing in high quality communications infrastructure. With all the amount of 02:07:05
growth and businesses that that we're seeing and that we want to continue to attract in the city, we want to make sure that that 02:07:11
they have the infrastructure necessary to to succeed. 02:07:17
And once again, a lot of our public services are coming from our partners who the city has engaged with. And so we we rely on on 02:07:25
some of these neighborhood municipalities for water, public safety, fire and some of our recreational facilities. So. 02:07:33
Transportation on the top. Oh, sorry. Yeah, yeah, that that has to be different. I will change that for when it's posted. Thank 02:07:44
you, Tim. 02:07:49
Almost done. 02:07:56
So moderate income, income housing, I think the the big thing to note about this is that. 02:07:59
There really are a few amount of strategies in the general plan regarding this. A lot of them are being accomplished. 02:08:06
But again, there's just such a low standard that we've set for ourselves with these that they've kind of been easy to accomplish 02:08:15
for lack of a better expression. And as you can see, the priority number on this one is, is quite low. So that's that's indicative 02:08:21
of, you know, some of our feelings regarding that. 02:08:27
Some of the comments provided include identifying and working with some of these affordable housing programs that are available 02:08:34
locally. 02:08:38
And another comment posted is increasing some social programs that the city could make available, such as meal centers, childcare 02:08:45
assistance, housing subsidies and things like that. Those are all separate conversations and things that we would have to hash out 02:08:51
how how we can make that work. But that was something that that the participants helped could be important. 02:08:58
And then increasing, increasing the the types and variations in housing, allowing more different types of developers to come in 02:09:05
and and kind of construct different housing typologies with different, you know, ways of working and feeling and looking. That 02:09:12
would then add more to the visual interest and diversity of the city and the more importantly, making, making more housing options 02:09:18
available to different kinds of people. 02:09:25
So that was. There's no comments to write it there. 02:09:32
And then technology, I think this one is a chapter that's generally not fully understood or it's very clear of the intent of the 02:09:36
of the chapter itself or the element itself. 02:09:41
But here's some of the comments provided. We want to make public Wi-Fi available in some strategic places throughout the city. We 02:09:48
also want to utilize new technology to resolve some of our parking issues or roadway issues with things like congestion. 02:09:57
Weather stations, no weather stations in or I'm not even I don't I'm personally not sure if we have weather stations in Vineyard, 02:10:08
but that was something that the participants felt could could be important to provide that that data and then keeping our roads. 02:10:15
Road and map data up to date. 02:10:24
Just for the convenience factor to be out there to help people. And then again, Brian, the header on this is oh, yeah, sorry. I, 02:10:28
I, I yeah, sorry. No, that's fine. Thank you, Tim. 02:10:34
And then preparing to work on new tech with things like autonomous vehicles. And granted, we're not we're not fully there yet, but 02:10:41
though as we know those are being implemented in different parts of the country and in the world. And so just kind of keeping, 02:10:47
keeping ahead of the game with the things that could potentially come to vineyards and improve the quality of life. 02:10:53
And Vineyard. 02:10:59
So this last table kind of just shows the priorities the. 02:11:00
What number of priority votes each element of the general plan received? 02:11:06
It's kind of interesting, you know, to see how things are performed. 02:11:11
And then here's some of our next steps. So as the department, we, we do want to look into updating the language and the goal of 02:11:18
the goals and strategies and, and other parts of, of, of some of the different elements. But we in 2021, we do want to focus in 02:11:25
depth into just two of these elements, which is again open space parts chosen lakefront and then the moderate income housing 02:11:32
element. 02:11:38
So working on those two, on those two elements. 02:11:46
Or chapters, it's gonna be great because we have a lot of momentum already with the open space parking trails. And so we're just 02:11:49
gonna keep riding that wave and be able to accomplish even more in that regard. Just cuz open space is such a key amenity for, for 02:11:56
any, any city, right? And then modern income housing, which is kind of the opposite of that in terms of performance. We want to 02:12:04
elevate it because it is, you can say, kind of our weakest. 02:12:11
Performance element. 02:12:20
And so. 02:12:22
We will be also looking at updating the the maps and diagrams and in terms of going back to the open space, parks and trails part 02:12:24
of the plan, we do want to look into finally incorporating the corridor plan, which is a plan that was prepared specifically 02:12:33
regarding the 75 acre wetland space. 02:12:41
In the heart of the city, really taking taking the chance to to capitalize on that opportunity that we have to provide high 02:12:51
quality. 02:12:56
Open space and outdoor amenities to to all Vineyard residents seeing that it's truly in the heart of the city. And that plan also 02:13:04
touches on a lot of other elements relating to parks, open space and recreation in the city. And so it has been presented before 02:13:10
in planning commissions and and City Council and. 02:13:16
We're as a staff already keep moving forward with that proposed plan and so that's something that will be will be tackling. 02:13:24
And so. 02:13:31
That's the end of our presentation. So I'm happy to you know, Morgan and I are happy to answer any questions regarding the review 02:13:34
for the 2021. 02:13:38
I'm doing great, sorry. 02:13:48
Thank you, Tim. Appreciate it. 02:13:53
Does that make sense guys? So we are, we're going to jump really deep into those two chapters, moderate income housing and in the 02:13:55
parks. So the plan for moderate income housing is not very good, which is funny because that's actually our strongest 02:14:02
implementation area and the parks, presto, but of the city, we provide a enormous variety of housing that matches all income 02:14:08
levels. 02:14:14
At the Adu program, we have tremendous amount of apartments. We're getting the front runner station. Transit pairs really nicely 02:14:21
with, with, with. 02:14:25
A large swath of income levels. And so bronze, absolutely right. That's our weakest plan. But what's funny is that's actually 02:14:31
probably one of the strongest areas of any city in Kentucky. But yeah, you guys have any questions or comments? 02:14:37
All of it at once, but it might be easier if we think of one or two that's kind of like our area and and be really informed on it. 02:15:15
Whether we bring stuff forward this year or not, our progress is made this year or not. Some of that is dependent on so many 02:15:21
factors outside of us, you know, in this meeting. But I think that would be a really good idea. I'd welcome that. Yeah, totally. 02:15:26
Thanks. Thanks, Jessica. Yeah. 02:15:32
And if you want, we could do even a follow up. 02:15:38
Put it like a quicker work session in the next meeting. If you guys want to send, you know, Bryce, kind of your, your areas of 02:15:41
interest in the general plan. And we're going to touch upon like the whole general plan just to do fine tuning like, like Brian 02:15:47
indicated. But the two big ones are going to be the parks and, and the moderate income. So you, you know, even if you're 02:15:53
interested in transportation, you'll be able to be involved at some level, but you know, the more time would be spent in the 02:15:59
middle 2 chapters. So just want to maybe e-mail. 02:16:05
Let him know which one you're interested in. We could, you know, we, we could talk about it again and. 02:16:12
You know, kind of divvied up. 02:16:18
So we from staff and we appreciate any help we can get. 02:16:20
I have my $0.02. 02:16:25
Totally amber. 02:16:28
I totally agree about the vision statement being more friends. I think it would be surprising to me if many people read the whole 02:16:30
thing. 02:16:34
And the vision statement is going to give them a very good idea, I think, of what the whole thing is about. So if they can at 02:16:40
least get that far, they'll have a better understanding. 02:16:44
And I really appreciate what you're saying about making these easier goals and being able to understand them better because at 02:16:49
least in my situation, when I look at this, it's. 02:16:55
Some of it's pretty abstract, but also I haven't been involved that long and it's very, very hard for me to figure out. 02:17:01
Where to go to find out this information, how can I help? All these things is very confusing. It's not clear. So I think if you 02:17:07
really step that out, that's going to make a big difference for us being able to **** and other people in the city. 02:17:15
Yeah. Thank you. 02:17:24
Well, good. So our our plan moving forward is to so we have we'll have that work session then maybe we have like one group that we 02:17:32
get to the commissioners to help us because we are going to try to make the goals better in all chapters. So if there's. 02:17:40
If there's our, you know, people on the Commission who are great at writing or naked things, really concise and objective and, you 02:17:48
know, let let, let. 02:17:53
Bryce know and and then if you're really interested in the parks, then do that as well. If you're interested in moderate income 02:18:01
housing piece, let let us know. And obviously you're going to be involved in everything because you're in the Planning Commission. 02:18:06
But that that you know, if you want to focus and really kind of help staff. I I think those kind of three categorically what would 02:18:11
be there is where we could use it. 02:18:16
So that's that's it from us. 02:18:23
Great. Hey, thank you guys so much. I'm excited to. 02:18:26
Go through it again and see what our goals are, where we're at, but we want to do totally. 02:18:30
All right. 02:18:36
So moving on to Commission members reports and expect a discussion disclosure, any commissioners have something to report or 02:18:40
disclose? 02:18:45
I have nothing, Bryce. Thank you. 02:18:52
All right, anything from staff? 02:18:57
You're a lot from the planning department, so we'll just take away I think, I think we need on. 02:19:01
Yeah, Don is on, Sullivan's on. 02:19:07
Anything for me to you guys? 02:19:12
I don't have anything. Thank you. 02:19:14
I don't have anything either. 02:19:20
Alright, alright. Thank you, darling. All right, cool. Thank you everybody kind of long meeting, but thanks for. 02:19:23
Everything. Do I have a motion to adjourn? 02:19:32
Oh, go ahead. 02:19:38
Move to adjourn. 02:19:39
Second Amber. All right. All in favor. Aye, aye. All right. Thank you, guys. Yeah, Thanks everybody for the help with that. Have a 02:19:42
good night, guys. Have a good day. Thank you. 02:19:49
No, I'll go back up at the very end. It'll be easier. 02:20:00
Yes, Sir, Yeah. 02:20:06
That was one meeting, Holy Smoke. 02:20:09
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Yeah, we're hopeful, aren't we, Brian? Hey, Tim. Hey, Amber. 00:00:08
Sorry, we're hopeful About what? 00:00:15
Brian, just so you know we are meeting City Council is on suggest I don't have my phone on me right now it's charging so just let. 00:00:17
Blood cash. Now it's a. 00:00:27
All right, get the staff report out. OK, cool. You heard that cash. 00:00:32
And then I. 00:00:39
I was not. 00:00:42
Not that I'll be on tonight, I don't know, but if I happen to be and I wasn't present for the meeting that the minutes were part 00:00:44
of. 00:00:47
What do I say? Obviously it would be weird to improve that. 00:00:52
You can still vote on. 00:00:56
Just say, yeah, if you want to, Yeah. I mean, it's it's up to you or you can have sustained, OK. 00:00:58
Yeah, yeah. What I mean, it's with minutes. I mean, it's a. 00:01:06
Maybe they're they're important, but it's not like you're making legislative action you can still vote on. 00:01:13
So do I need to like? 00:01:22
Don't touch anything here, right? 00:01:25
Something is showing right up there on the left. That's where it should, yeah. 00:01:27
So I've got the screen ready to go so. 00:01:32
I don't have some reason I can't connect in to the network. So you guys are good to share your documents and anything you want on 00:01:36
your end, just let let Brian know that as well, OK? 00:01:42
Yeah, all my documents are good. We have the ordinance pulled up. Do you want to pull up your stuff or what? Should be pulled up 00:01:48
too. It's right here. It's onion, blue bean, and it's right here. I'll just close all these confusing. 00:01:56
Let's go down again. 00:02:07
What's the review? 00:02:12
Ordinance enclose this. 00:02:13
Gorbachev. 00:02:18
It's going on. 00:02:23
So Morgan, I didn't see. 00:02:27
If anybody didn't say they were coming to the meeting except for. 00:02:31
Oh yeah. 00:02:36
You are welcome to go ahead and start because it looks like you have. 00:02:39
Hey Jess, fail yourself, Tim and Amber. So you have 5. I would just go ahead and you know, so I'm I'm gonna hit hit record. So 00:02:45
just don't no one say anything crazy. 00:02:51
All right. Oh, that's great. Thanks. That just takes a little bit. 00:03:00
All right, it's 602 on Wednesday, February 3rd and I'd like to open up the Planning Commission meeting. I. 00:03:06
I didn't ask anybody, but would somebody like to volunteer to give an opening prayer or like of agents? 00:03:16
I would be happy to give you an invocation. All right. Thank you, Tim. 00:03:23
OK, our Father in Heaven, tonight as we convene the Planning Commission and Vineyard, we are grateful for this opportunity to do 00:03:27
so, and we recognize that technology which has blessed our lives during this time. We pray that we may use it effectively and be 00:03:34
able to communicate one with another and express our thoughts, feelings, and ideas. We're grateful for this city, for those who 00:03:42
founded it, for those who live here now, for those who will yet come. 00:03:49
We pray that all that we do tonight will be in accordance with Thy will and will be to help the citizens of this great community 00:03:57
enjoy their time here with their friends and family. 00:04:03
We pray for our nation, Father in Heaven, that it will be strong and focused on. 00:04:09
Seeing what it has the potential to be. 00:04:16
And being a white in the world. 00:04:19
We pray for our leaders nationally in state community that they will be wise in their decisions. These things we humbly pray for 00:04:21
and thank you for tonight. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tim so much. Thank you. Just for the record 00:04:29
tonight, the sitting members are me, Tim, Shan, Tay and Amber. 00:04:37
And. 00:04:48
I just need to read the. 00:04:50
Written determination So I'm Bryce Brady as the Chair of the Vineyard Planning Commission, do hereby find and declare as follows. 00:04:52
Due to the emergency conditions which currently exist in the state of Utah and specifically Nissan County and Vineyard City as a 00:05:00
result of the COVID-19 limit and the recent surge of COVID-19 infections across the state and in Utah County, the holding of 00:05:07
public meetings with an acre location is defined in the Utah Open and Public Meetings Act. 00:05:14
Present a substantial risk to the health and safety of those who may be present at the end of the location. 00:05:21
And to the risks to those who may be present at an interlocation can be substantially mitigated by holding public meetings with 00:05:28
the Planning Commission for signature electronic means that allow for the public participation via virtual means. And three, the 00:05:33
city has the means and ability to allow virtual participation in the public meetings in accordance with the Utah Open and Public 00:05:39
Meetings Act. 00:05:44
NOW, therefore, based upon the foregoing, for 30 days from the date of this order, meetings of the Vineyard Planning Commission 00:05:50
shall be conducted by virtual means without an ignorant location. 00:05:56
All right. 00:06:02
I did that kind of backwards. Tim gave the invocation first and then I. 00:06:06
Did the threatened determination. And then third, we'll open it up for an open session. This is a time for any citizens to make 00:06:10
comments on something that isn't on the agenda. So if you have comments about the parking requirements that we're talking about 00:06:15
tonight. 00:06:20
Please hold off, but if you have other comments with something that isn't on the agenda tonight, now is your time. 00:06:27
So you do that. I do actually have somebody to make a motion to open up the open session. 00:06:35
Motion to open the organization. 00:06:41
In a second. 00:06:45
I'll second this is Jake. 00:06:48
All right, so any public with any comments now is the time. You can also write usage that was that was aboriginal with the motion, 00:06:50
correct? Oh, sorry, yes. 00:06:56
Hey, can we make do we make comments on behalf of citizens? 00:07:03
During the. 00:07:08
Or later you have like an e-mail that somebody emailed to you or it was, it's several comments on Facebook that I was told to ask 00:07:10
to bring up. Or if you have just to let you know, if you do have so many emails from the commissioners, the protocols to to e-mail 00:07:17
to the chair and to staff so that we can make it part of the the actual record in case there's a grammar request. So, yeah, So 00:07:24
what what whatever Bryce is having. 00:07:32
When you're done, just want to e-mail. 00:07:39
I don't have any, it was all Facebook. 00:07:41
But I'll let anyone residents go first. So go ahead if you were going to speak. 00:07:44
I think somebody was. 00:07:51
Well, I don't know what we can do about it, but there have been a lot of people discussing unleashed dogs, which I do commonly, 00:07:56
but. 00:08:01
I think we really need to take that more seriously. That's, you know, not only annoying but traumatic for some people. 00:08:07
Is there a way we can enforce the rules or what? What's the purpose of going to do that? 00:08:14
So, so Morgan, as far as enforcement goes on that, what do we do as a city? 00:08:20
Yeah, so we do have an off leash. 00:08:26
Restriction outside of. 00:08:29
Places that are not like certified for cross leash and I don't think we have any official dog parks outside of the the apartment 00:08:32
building these one of the issues. So yeah, it's, it's not allowed. Typically it's through a complaint basis. And what you do is 00:08:40
actually call the Sheriff's Office and we have a non-emergency number on our website. I don't have that right on me. So if you 00:08:47
look at the website, you can call, it's not dispatch. They'll send an officer out if if there's not like a, an emergency. 00:08:55
And so it's kind of tough, obviously, because it's real seas where people, you know, that person may be gone. If I'm not saying 00:09:03
residents are telling people, but if you don't, you know, if the costs don't, please don't know where they live, then they can't 00:09:09
follow through. Most likely. If you do, they would knock on the door and just inform the resident. We're not a like a police heavy 00:09:15
state or. 00:09:21
City in the sense that they're probably not going to just let levy a fine. They can though. So if they do have record of multiple 00:09:28
violations then they I believe they can issue a ticket but that. 00:09:34
That's the way they do it from a like staff can go out and. 00:09:40
Issue, but we can for. 00:09:44
We are working in another situation with a dog waste right now and and that's usually those two are So if you see someone blind 00:09:47
their dog to, you know, use the use the restroom when I go in the park or something like that without picking it up where you can 00:09:55
inform staff if you know the poor person is or take a photo. 00:10:03
You know, that's always kind of awkward, but we we have that people turn to other people. We've said that. 00:10:12
We try to be lenient with regards to fines and things like that because obviously we don't want people to be stressed, but this 00:10:18
case really is. 00:10:24
Threatening the security of certain people in city, it's not something to be taken lightly. I don't think so. 00:10:32
The best place to is to would would be so if you want to ever, if you want, you can even copy and paste those comments into an 00:10:40
e-mail and send it to me and I can forward it to, you know, one of our officers just so they're they're aware because we don't 00:10:46
tell them that they're not going to know. So that that would be the best way to if if it's a commonly happening in one specific 00:10:51
location. 00:10:57
And sometimes signage can help as well, so you know. 00:11:04
Cool. Just for those people that have just recently gotten on, right now is the open session. If you have comments for something 00:11:10
that isn't on the agenda, now is the time to make those comments. You can either raise your hand and you'll be unmuted, or you can 00:11:16
make your comments in the chat section. 00:11:22
And the the raise hand option, I'm not seeing it on mine for some reason. If that's not on if you just. 00:11:30
Do your video and raise your hand and we'll the chair can call on you as well. Yeah, or if you want to make a comment. 00:11:36
With audio then say something in the chat and you can be unmuted for those of you that don't have video. 00:11:44
Right, it doesn't look like there anymore public comments. Can I have a motion to close the open session? 00:11:52
Motion to close the open session. 00:11:58
In here by the way, Sir. 00:12:02
Yeah. Thank you. And I'll second those. OK, Who's that again? Sorry. Thank you, Tay. All right. 00:12:04
All in favor. 00:12:13
Hi. Hi. 00:12:19
OK, great. 00:12:22
OK. So minutes per view approval, hopefully you guys have had a chance to look over that does grab a motion to approve those 00:12:25
minutes for January 6th, 2021. 00:12:30
Yes, I've had an opportunity to review them and. 00:12:36
Unless there's other discussion about and I do make a motion that we approve them as presented. 00:12:40
Wait a second. 00:12:46
I'll second Amber Rasmussen. All right, thank you, Amber. All right, all in favor. 00:12:53
Aye, aye. 00:13:00
Hi. 00:13:02
Waiting for an eye from Amber and Shan Shan still in here. 00:13:04
I don't see her on there. 00:13:11
I see. 00:13:16
In this case, Morgan, if somebody drops off like that. 00:13:22
They will note it in the minutes, OK. 00:13:27
All right. So we have some other Commission. I'm sorry, Bryce, do we have someone else then that would step in to that position? 00:13:31
It doesn't look like it. 00:13:36
You still have a. You saw the form. 00:13:44
And so if it. 00:13:47
I mean if you have 5 commissioners only you can still vote agree, but if you have. 00:13:49
Obviously, we have Tim. 00:13:55
Jessica Jay. 00:13:58
So in this case, what? I just have Jessica jump in. All right, Jessica, are you there? Can you and me and Jessica? 00:14:05
Yeah, I'm here. OK, great. All right, so we have Jessica sitting in. 00:14:14
Congratulations. 00:14:22
All right, OK. 00:14:24
So we're going to move on to 5.1. 00:14:28
Parking requirements of private recreational vehicles and residential zoning districts. So, Morgan, that you've taken over on this 00:14:32
one. Yeah, I can just do a really quick intro. Cash is labeled as Brian will be the one providing the actual presentation. So this 00:14:41
item has gone soon. City Council Planning Commission, and we've made you know, we provided an ordinance to provide the option. 00:14:49
That the screening would be what would be removed and So what I would say is. 00:14:58
Please provide that cash, get through the presentation and then if the public wants to speak. 00:15:04
You know, please stay muted until about the public hearing and then I believe. 00:15:13
Bryce will provide you up to three minutes for free for each speaker. 00:15:19
And so, and you can also use the, the chat if you're on the, it would be better for you to, to, to be audible 'cause we're gonna 00:15:24
do minutes anyway and it's just easier for minutes instead of having to, you know, cut items out of the chat for those events so 00:15:30
you can do it through the audio without any further ado. 00:15:36
Cash, OK. 00:15:44
I'm gonna get the right screen here. 00:15:47
All right, can you all see my screen? 00:15:52
Yeah. OK. There we go. OK. 00:15:55
So, yeah, just as as Morgan was saying that we discussed this at about a month ago. 00:15:58
And just a summary of that consensus was reached among the commissioners to keep in there in favor of keeping the ordinance that 00:16:04
wanted to see the language proposed in a zoning text amendment. And so Morgan prepared that. And this is the current code. And 00:16:11
what's crossed out in red is, is what we would change. And it all it does is remove the screening from front yards and streets by 00:16:17
the wall, fence, gate, landscaping or other suitable screening material. 00:16:24
This would not change any current code of rules regarding the 48 hour. 00:16:31
Loading and unloading requirements for recreational vehicles. 00:16:36
They would still have to be parked in the rear or side yard of the house. 00:16:41
And. 00:16:46
Yeah. So it wouldn't affect the parking besides just removing that screening so they still can be parked in driveways for longer 00:16:49
than 48 hours. And and so, yeah, what we're looking for is just a recommendation from the Commission to approve or deny the the 00:16:56
zoning text amendment and then we will present that to City Council in a week. 00:17:03
All right. Thank you, guys. 00:17:13
So do I want to open this up for a public hearing right now, Morgan anything, or do you want to discuss it for a minute, kind of 00:17:16
clarify some things or Yeah, typically it's it's kind of good for the commissioners to to do a brief discussion and it kind of, 00:17:21
you know. 00:17:27
If you have any concerns and then and then open up the public hearing, the public hearing and then we would close it and then we 00:17:33
can discuss what was said during the public hearing. But once the public hearings closed, you would not be taking more comment 00:17:39
after the public hearing. So just just realize that. 00:17:44
OK, so real quick, as far as the understanding from our last meeting, it seemed like the majority of the Council. 00:17:52
Or the Commission. 00:17:59
Was in favor of keeping the screening and stuff, but in the last meeting we didn't have very many people making public comments. I 00:18:01
assume that there's more people tonight wanting to make public comments about this, and we've also received 5 separate emails. 00:18:09
From citizens saying that they would like to remove the screening as it's as it's shown here so government commissioners have 00:18:19
something that they. 00:18:24
Want to clarify or? 00:18:30
Have any comments about on this before we open it up for the public? 00:18:33