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| All right. Welcome, everybody. It is March 15th, 2023. And this is the Vineyard Planning Commission. We'll have an invocation and | 00:00:00 | |
| Pledge of Allegiance by Anthony Jacob. We'll do that pledge first. All right. | 00:00:05 | |
| I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:00:14 | |
| indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:00:20 | |
| Our Father in Heaven, we're thankful for this opportunity to gather and to meet as citizens of this city and with staff as well. | 00:00:34 | |
| And we pray that we. | 00:00:41 | |
| That make well informed decisions and then we can have good conversation around what's going to be best for the residents of this | 00:00:43 | |
| town now and in the future and say this in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. | 00:00:48 | |
| All right. | 00:00:55 | |
| Session this is dedicated for public comment Public comment. Just make sure it's not something that. | 00:00:58 | |
| There will be an opportunity to speak about the discussion. | 00:01:06 | |
| 3.1. | 00:01:18 | |
| That's for review and. | 00:01:22 | |
| Yeah, I had a chance to review those, so I make a motion to approve the minutes from March 1st. | 00:01:26 | |
| Second all in favor, aye? | 00:01:31 | |
| All right, moving on to business item 4.1 in the Central Corridor Master plan. | 00:01:35 | |
| Yeah, Good evening, Planning Commission. I'm Brian Amaya Perez, senior planner. We're reviewing once again Ordinance 2023-16, the | 00:01:43 | |
| Central Corridor Master Plan. | 00:01:49 | |
| Last time we were here in Planning Commission, we showed you guys the plan. | 00:01:57 | |
| The community got to see the plan and provide feedback, so we wanted to jump right into it and review. | 00:02:02 | |
| The major comments that were presented and discuss them and also show. | 00:02:09 | |
| Show you guys and show the community how we've tried to adjust the comments. | 00:02:15 | |
| OK, so the first comment. | 00:02:20 | |
| That we received was to preserve the serene nature of Gammon. | 00:02:24 | |
| Also reduce traffic impacts onto Holdaway Rd. | 00:02:28 | |
| Provide a central location for parking lots. | 00:02:33 | |
| For a parking lot to serve all. | 00:02:36 | |
| To retain a baseball field. | 00:02:40 | |
| To preserve view protection zone along property lines to incorporate heritage and for that I added a note to see the master plan | 00:02:43 | |
| document that is in the staff report. | 00:02:49 | |
| Master Plan document talks more in detail about all the different elements in the plan. What we're looking at today is this the | 00:02:56 | |
| the Master site plan. It's an overview of the location of different amenities and. | 00:03:02 | |
| The different services Slide Hill should be redesigned for privacy, for the preservation of privacy. | 00:03:09 | |
| So this is the, the top portion, the Vineyard Park, sorry, the Vineyard Grove Park section of the master plan and then the the | 00:03:18 | |
| central Corridor section. So just to highlight, I have black sex and then red text, red text kind of addresses the concerns that | 00:03:25 | |
| that we just talked about. So parking again we're adding 150 spaces of additional parking in a formalized park set parking setting | 00:03:32 | |
| next to the existing parking. | 00:03:39 | |
| There will be a dog park for small and large dogs, 12 new pickleball courts that will replace the existing tennis courts. Tennis. | 00:03:47 | |
| Tennis is going to be moved down to to Gammon Park and Robins, the old Robbins Farm property. | 00:03:54 | |
| Walking trails throughout the wetlands and wetland preservation throughout that was something very important to the residents. | 00:04:01 | |
| Just reiterate that preservation of view sheds along property lines. There's a 40 foot buffer, at least a 40 foot buffer along the | 00:04:09 | |
| property lines by Parkside and the Gardens neighborhood. We've added a note that says View Protection Zone. No tree shall be | 00:04:16 | |
| planted within 40 feet of adjacent property lines. | 00:04:23 | |
| Slide Hill will be regraded and redesigned at a future point in time, so that it is our intention to make that hill. | 00:04:31 | |
| Look different, feel different, act different. So it does. | 00:04:41 | |
| Provide privacy. Enhance privacy for the residents. In the meantime, we did add a few more trees. I'll put my cursor on the | 00:04:44 | |
| southern end of the parking lot of the existing parking lot to further shield headlights. | 00:04:51 | |
| Especially in the nighttime hours onto the residents properties over here, so that's just a little more. | 00:04:59 | |
| An enhancement for for people's. | 00:05:06 | |
| Comfort, I guess, Brian, what is the viewing structure in the top right? | 00:05:09 | |
| Yeah, I'm assuming it's like a pavilion or something, but what is, Yeah, it's just a, it's just a platform that goes out into the | 00:05:13 | |
| wetlands where you can kind of just observe the wetlands and and get a feel of the of the more natural space. | 00:05:19 | |
| It's not. It's not a tower. It's not a tower. No, no, no, sorry. Just just wasn't looking for a tower. Just a boardwalk type. | 00:05:26 | |
| Area. | 00:05:35 | |
| OK, so on the left are some of the major things to highlight in this section. A heritage themed community and Cultural Center. | 00:05:37 | |
| That's this red building here. Heritage themed community garden as as you might note. | 00:05:42 | |
| This plan does look different than the one from before. After this slide I'll do a side by side comparison so that way you guys | 00:05:50 | |
| can see how exactly it has changed. But for now this is the most recent version that I want to explain. | 00:05:56 | |
| So again #2A heritage themed community garden. | 00:06:04 | |
| Here in this section and all abilities playground. | 00:06:08 | |
| Two tennis. | 00:06:11 | |
| A dirt pump track here on the Northside of Center St. Additional REC fields. | 00:06:13 | |
| And this, this baseball field, these are just the lines to show that it could be used for baseball, but it could also be used for | 00:06:19 | |
| flag football, soccer or just open rec space. So this is not a permanent, you know, high, highly expensive baseball field that | 00:06:27 | |
| we're doing. This is just an area, but it will have a backstop. I should, I should say. Yeah. Thank you, Morgan. | 00:06:34 | |
| And then Center St. pedestrian facility enhancements. So with with so many attractions on the South side of Center St. we want to | 00:06:43 | |
| provide safe crossings from the neighborhoods to the north into this part of. | 00:06:50 | |
| Of the community. | 00:06:57 | |
| OK. So now on the right side, I'd like to talk about how this plan addresses some of the concerns. So there was a concern that I | 00:06:59 | |
| mentioned about parking a parking lot, potential parking lot creating traffic spillover onto Holdaway Rd. We had to, we wanted it, | 00:07:07 | |
| we needed to put a parking lot in here to address you know providing parking for these uses and so we. | 00:07:15 | |
| We took all the comments into consideration and found that this location is a location that works. | 00:07:23 | |
| To provide parking for for the different uses. But in doing that we had to relocate this central open space. | 00:07:28 | |
| We had to relocate the heritage themed community garden. Community garden used to be where this open space is. The open space used | 00:07:37 | |
| to be a little more to the left and so now those those two kind of have flip-flopped. | 00:07:43 | |
| We've relocated the baseball fields. The baseball will still be a part of this area as was requested, but it will be in the | 00:07:51 | |
| southwest portion of the multi use rec field. | 00:07:57 | |
| We relocated the Parks and Rec maintenance shed, so the maintenance shed used to be tucked away here in this corner. | 00:08:05 | |
| But for greater convenience for our parks and Rec department, they wanted to be more centrally located and so we put it there and | 00:08:13 | |
| and and that that building will be designed also in a heritage. | 00:08:18 | |
| Agricultural style theme. | 00:08:25 | |
| To be consistent with what what the feel of this area we want it to be. | 00:08:28 | |
| There is additional buffering along these trails and so so to add a note about that. | 00:08:34 | |
| In the northern part of the plan, here in the corridor section, we removed all the trees. Remember the note that says there's no | 00:08:43 | |
| trees to be planted within 40 feet of adjacent properties? | 00:08:47 | |
| Because. | 00:08:54 | |
| Because this is different than wetlands. There are no wetlands here. This will be recreational news. And so we we did provide the | 00:08:55 | |
| buffering on the trails, but we also kept the. | 00:09:00 | |
| Trees are not to be planted. | 00:09:05 | |
| To exceed a height of 10 feet, the trees. | 00:09:08 | |
| You know, if you're someone living next to that rec area, you might want to have some trees to to dampen the noise from you know, | 00:09:12 | |
| sports going on and and yelling and cheering and things like that. And so we we thought that trees might still be a good addition, | 00:09:17 | |
| but we are willing to work with the residents. You know, if if there's a particular resident that does not want trees along the | 00:09:23 | |
| property, we can we can definitely work work that out with public works and they can make sure that no trees are planted around | 00:09:28 | |
| along that property line. | 00:09:33 | |
| Yeah, sure. | 00:09:39 | |
| Toss it saves us money. So it's like it's a really not really a lot of consequences in the city. So we we can do it, you know as a | 00:10:15 | |
| as requested. | 00:10:20 | |
| Thanks, Morgan. Yeah, that perfect. So yeah, so you'll see those those things added in site plan approval process, the new parking | 00:10:27 | |
| lot that is entering and exiting out onto Center St. and not onto Holdaway Rd. These are an additional 54 spaces so. | 00:10:38 | |
| That. | 00:10:50 | |
| Was our attempt to reduce the traffic impacts on Eldoret. | 00:10:51 | |
| Oh, we had a trail in the previous plan that went around the the backside of these properties, so we've diverted that. So we've | 00:10:59 | |
| eliminated that trail. We added a trail connection into the Central Vineyard Arboretum section. | 00:11:06 | |
| And then so it connects in that way and then exits onto here near the Community and Cultural Center. | 00:11:13 | |
| There's also a trail. I think this was also a part of the previous plan, so this hasn't changed. There's a trail that exits. | 00:11:22 | |
| Onto Holdaway. | 00:11:28 | |
| Just provide that added accessibility and connectivity. | 00:11:30 | |
| And then of course we wanted to keep the feel, the traditional feel of Gammon Park. So we're going to work with Public Works to | 00:11:35 | |
| identify which trees in there are healthy, that we can preserve, that we can keep and hopefully they're there for for years to | 00:11:43 | |
| come. But then the trees that aren't healthy and are posing a health risk to the residents and to visitors will will be removed. | 00:11:50 | |
| So here's the the previous plan from last Planning Commission. I wanted to show you guys that side by side. So I'll just kind of | 00:12:00 | |
| do a little flip. | 00:12:04 | |
| Back and forth from the new plan to the old plan. | 00:12:08 | |
| I'll give you a second to look at. | 00:12:11 | |
| That's the new plan. | 00:12:15 | |
| We'll do this a couple times. | 00:12:19 | |
| OK, I'm going to keep going. | 00:12:28 | |
| Unless you guys want to look at this for another. | 00:12:30 | |
| OK, OK, and here's the Fishhook Slash City Hall area, So in the top portion we have the Vineyard Arboretum. This might also be an | 00:12:33 | |
| appropriate location for a possible vineyard or orchard or flower garden. As we've talked about in the previous meeting. We got | 00:12:40 | |
| the skate park here by City Hall where there can be lots of supervision, especially with the Sheriff's Office being in the City | 00:12:47 | |
| Hall building. The pump track that goes around the skate park we also have. | 00:12:55 | |
| 4 new additional pickleball courts. | 00:13:03 | |
| This silver section here is slack lining and hammocking. We have 32 new parking spaces as the parking expansion to serve these | 00:13:06 | |
| new. | 00:13:11 | |
| We also there was requests in the last meeting for additional shading. So additional shading has been provided in different areas | 00:13:18 | |
| throughout the throughout the plan, not just here at City Hall, but over here in the in this area where there's a potential a | 00:13:24 | |
| potential new playground also in. | 00:13:29 | |
| In the Gammon Park area, we added a few more shade cells here and in the Vineyard Grove area as well. If I go back to you so | 00:13:36 | |
| you'll see more. | 00:13:41 | |
| Shade sales and shading throughout we added. You probably can't see them very well at this height, but we did add places for | 00:13:47 | |
| seating around. | 00:13:51 | |
| Around the trails and around the parks we had a picnic areas. I know Tim Blackburn or love that and. | 00:13:57 | |
| And. | 00:14:06 | |
| So, yeah, those are those are how we that's how we addressed the changes that were requested. | 00:14:08 | |
| City Council to hear the next steps if there is a recommendation for approval tonight from the Planning Commission and this will | 00:14:16 | |
| go to City Council not this next City Council meeting next week but the one afterwards. They're just the agenda is is swamped | 00:14:22 | |
| right now so we we can fit it into that agenda. So if you would like to to come to that meeting it will be on the 26th at 6:00 PM | 00:14:29 | |
| here in City Hall. | 00:14:35 | |
| And then in the future, one City Council has approved this. | 00:14:43 | |
| Individual areas of the site of the plan, I should say, will be approved. | 00:14:47 | |
| You know through a site plan process. So just because it this is a city initiated thing doesn't mean that we can just go ahead and | 00:14:54 | |
| build it. We also have to follow our own process and provide site plan approvals from the Planning Commission and so different | 00:15:00 | |
| sections of the plan City Hall. | 00:15:05 | |
| Gammon Park, the dirt pump track, the the changes that we're proposing to Vineyard Grove Park, all that has to come here through | 00:15:11 | |
| Planning Commission where there will be another chance for vineyard residents to to provide feedback and provide their comments | 00:15:16 | |
| and input. | 00:15:21 | |
| And then here are some precedent images. | 00:15:27 | |
| This is the Community and Cultural Center. | 00:15:31 | |
| And this is some of the parks and some shade sales. | 00:15:36 | |
| And this is the community gardens and some of the trails in the trailheads. | 00:15:43 | |
| So that's all I got. Awesome. Thank you so much, Brian. Welcome. | 00:15:49 | |
| And you guys have any questions, comments? | 00:15:53 | |
| I think it looks great. I think you guys addressed the concerns really well. | 00:15:56 | |
| Umm, chair buddy, So you're welcome to also open it. | 00:16:02 | |
| Thanks, Thanks. If there aren't any more comments from us, do I have a motion to open up a public hearing? I move to open public | 00:16:07 | |
| hearing. Do I have a second? | 00:16:11 | |
| Second, all in favor, aye, all right, If anybody has any comments that they would like to make? | 00:16:15 | |
| Specifically about the Central Quartermaster plan announced your opportunity. | 00:16:23 | |
| Also, if you have questions or something, I'll write your questions down and at the end we'll kind of go through all the | 00:16:28 | |
| questions. | 00:16:31 | |
| Last time spoke with the. | 00:16:40 | |
| Can I interrupt you? Thank you. Please state your name and and where you live, what neighborhood you live in. | 00:16:43 | |
| Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Sorry. You don't have to provide an address. | 00:16:52 | |
| Just a couple. | 00:16:58 | |
| Questions, but I want to start off with again telling you guys that we appreciate. | 00:17:01 | |
| Your your minds and your understanding what we're experiencing over there. | 00:17:07 | |
| First and foremost, I guess the question is what is the city's intention with the? | 00:17:18 | |
| Soccer slash baseball field area is. | 00:17:23 | |
| The intentions to rent those out for girls, So what age groups? | 00:17:26 | |
| The. | 00:17:32 | |
| Oh, yeah. We'll get all the questions. Yeah. I'll grab all your questions. All right. OK. My apologies. | 00:17:34 | |
| We're just going to take that into consideration. | 00:18:12 | |
| And then also with reading out the fields, I don't know how in depth that's going to be or how often, but you got to remember that | 00:18:15 | |
| if we're going to be rentals out that that's just taken away from the free time for the city that. | 00:18:21 | |
| You know, there was just this baseball field here and they had maybe, I think they even a soccer field one up towards the center. | 00:18:30 | |
| The builder rented out quite often. It takes up a lot of space for the business just to come and enjoy themselves in a while. | 00:18:37 | |
| Before that, I do know that the residents. | 00:18:45 | |
| To enjoy parks that are open down there like Los Angeles Building warranty South Central. | 00:18:50 | |
| People come to officer. | 00:18:56 | |
| A good joy. And it's not. They're not sometimes not interfered with. | 00:18:58 | |
| Anything. | 00:19:08 | |
| If she's planning on that next to the houses. | 00:19:10 | |
| That you guys can answer looking more. Would that be residential? | 00:19:14 | |
| As you landscaping that you know some will enjoy for privacy that we're going to be you know bringing a lot of residents into this | 00:19:17 | |
| area and we'll be able to see more windows and things like that so easily and. | 00:19:24 | |
| Whether they're going to enjoy the Tuesdays of their house and I just hope that will be residents. | 00:19:32 | |
| Also supporting the design for you guys. | 00:19:38 | |
| And then last comment. | 00:19:43 | |
| There was a possibility, I don't know, for the gardening section. | 00:19:45 | |
| For more low key quiet sections. | 00:19:51 | |
| Is there a way that we can bring those closer to the residence fence lines that were pushed in here? We don't build in the | 00:19:54 | |
| congregation of everybody coming into. | 00:19:59 | |
| City, sorry, City Park. I know we discussed also on silver holes, having that roadway there, trying to govern that and people | 00:20:05 | |
| parking. | 00:20:09 | |
| Once again. | 00:20:14 | |
| Including baseball and have their stand there and that kind of stuff. I think that they're going to find out real quick that back | 00:20:21 | |
| approach and use that quite heavily. So again, as I know from before, it's going to be paid to govern that the people have | 00:20:26 | |
| department. | 00:20:30 | |
| I'll say that again, I just appreciate the time and you guys. | 00:20:36 | |
| Awesome. Thank you so much, Nathan. | 00:20:41 | |
| Yeah, thanks, Nathan. Chair. Brady, would you like me to try to address, we'll have all the comments 1st and then go all | 00:20:43 | |
| everyone's comments and we'll talk about them. OK. Gotcha. | 00:20:48 | |
| Thank you. Yeah, and I've written them all down too, so. | 00:20:53 | |
| Hey, Travis Irwin also back up. | 00:20:58 | |
| I know previously we talked about flights, So for us like you're kind of big thing at the end of parking, not wanting like big | 00:21:02 | |
| stadium lights that affect neighborhoods on all sides. | 00:21:07 | |
| Also reiterate, thank you guys so much. It's been a pleasure to attend some of these and and. | 00:21:13 | |
| Feedback and hearing this about feedback. | 00:21:19 | |
| And then whatever feedback was the all ability part, super excited about that, supporting all of vineyards, residents of their | 00:21:22 | |
| abilities. | 00:21:26 | |
| Thank you. | 00:21:32 | |
| Hey. | 00:21:45 | |
| Have some. | 00:21:55 | |
| Is the light, Is the light on on? | 00:21:58 | |
| There's a little fun. They don't have a light on it anymore. It's just it works. | 00:22:01 | |
| Expecting this big booming, but anyway. | 00:22:08 | |
| Like I said, express thanks for everything. | 00:22:13 | |
| That you've done, and as a family, we appreciate you again. | 00:22:16 | |
| Putting my mother's wishes into effect and making this public use, That's what she. | 00:22:21 | |
| What I wanted to do, so we appreciate that. | 00:22:26 | |
| A lot of the concerns that I had have been addressed and I appreciate that also. Like I said, I don't think. | 00:22:29 | |
| You're going to have the perfect plan. Everybody's going to have something there that they like and something they don't like. But | 00:22:37 | |
| I think a lot of the concerns that were expressed last time. | 00:22:41 | |
| Have been addressed. | 00:22:47 | |
| I personally like this plan a lot better than when we first started, so thank you very much. Still, the one concern I do have is. | 00:22:49 | |
| The parking along Center St. | 00:22:58 | |
| I know they were talked about reducing the speeds, but that's one of the main thoroughfares going through the town. | 00:23:01 | |
| And living on Hold Way Rd. where speed limbs supposed to be 20 miles an hour and the average speed goes between 35 and 40. | 00:23:08 | |
| I think you're gonna have a tough time reducing speeds on that road to make. | 00:23:14 | |
| It's safe to have those parking right on the street. So that's that's concern I've always had. | 00:23:18 | |
| And how to handle that? But anyway for the most part just thank you very much and. | 00:23:23 | |
| Appreciate all the work that you've done. Thank you, Dave. | 00:23:29 | |
| Any other comments? | 00:23:38 | |
| Yeah, yeah. | 00:23:40 | |
| I don't think I am. | 00:23:42 | |
| Again, just talking about the parking lot, I know that we took the parking lot off the Gamma Rd. entering the next thing up again | 00:23:44 | |
| and we're sorry all the way, Rd. | 00:23:49 | |
| And stuck up more in the center, but I just want to make sure. | 00:23:56 | |
| The amount of amenities we're putting in this area. | 00:23:59 | |
| The parking is going to be sufficient for all of that. I think that even with the, I think you said 52 or 54 added parking spaces. | 00:24:04 | |
| With what's out on Center Street at the diagonal parking, not quite sure if that's going to be enough, so I'm just hoping that. | 00:24:13 | |
| That there's enough thought into that to where we can bring. | 00:24:21 | |
| All the vehicles off Center St. into the park area and to where that something flood to the residential streets on the outside. So | 00:24:25 | |
| basically just that center parking lot being sufficient for what we're attracting this couple. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. | 00:24:31 | |
| Any other comments? | 00:24:44 | |
| Tim Blackburn and Sleepy Ridge. I have copies that I could give each of you of some of my comments that would. | 00:24:50 | |
| Provide more detail. Thank you. | 00:24:58 | |
| Because a couple of my comments are pretty detailed and this will just help go through that. | 00:25:04 | |
| First of all, like others who said, I'm very pleased with the way the staff has listened to. | 00:25:10 | |
| The residents concerns and the way the Planning Commission has supported those. | 00:25:17 | |
| Especially the senior planner planner, Brian. And to the director of Economic Development, Morgan. I know in cash. I don't want to | 00:25:23 | |
| leave you out. | 00:25:28 | |
| But thank you for listening. | 00:25:34 | |
| A couple of just basic things, and these are very specific to the master plan on 1.3 in the bullet. | 00:25:36 | |
| I really like the fact that it says highlight and celebrate the city's rich and diverse heritage. | 00:25:47 | |
| That's a comment that we hadn't seen and I really compliment the writers of that plan to incorporate that. And secondly in 1.7. | 00:25:55 | |
| They've added a complete section, I think 3 paragraphs, dealing with heritage preservation. | 00:26:03 | |
| And so I really commend you and the city staff for doing that because that highlights the things that are important to us relative | 00:26:10 | |
| to preserving the history of Vineyard. Now specifically just looking at what I've given you as a copy, I won't go through all of | 00:26:16 | |
| these because of time. I have a minute and 22 seconds left. | 00:26:22 | |
| But if you could just get the flare of what I'm trying to say and I'll give a copy to the staff as well, We're recommending not | 00:26:29 | |
| major changes to some of the wording, but some very what we feel is important changes to under score the idea of preserving | 00:26:36 | |
| heritage. For instance, in paragraph on page 14, second paragraph, it currently says the Vineyard CCMP provides guidance for | 00:26:44 | |
| future development, etcetera, etcetera. | 00:26:51 | |
| We're recommending that it would also say, and creating additional recreational and historical and cultural facilities. You'll see | 00:26:58 | |
| all those changes that we're recommending in italics. | 00:27:05 | |
| So I won't go through all of these. | 00:27:12 | |
| But hopefully that could become part of the record and I'll give a copy to Morgan and Brian as well. But again. | 00:27:15 | |
| Our compliments from the perspective of historical preservation. | 00:27:21 | |
| To what we feel is going to be done. We know this is years out in the future, but as far as long as it's written down, hopefully | 00:27:26 | |
| that will provide some firm direction for the future. So thank you very much. Thank you so much, Tim. | 00:27:35 | |
| And we have a copy of this so we can have in the minutes. | 00:27:45 | |
| Oh yeah, Rachel, Rachel's keeping a copy. | 00:27:49 | |
| Yes, please. | 00:27:52 | |
| Or I can give her a copy of this as well. | 00:27:54 | |
| Any other public comments? | 00:27:58 | |
| All right. So I guess going with these questions then the intentions with the soccer and baseball field, do we have an idea? Is | 00:28:02 | |
| the wreck? Yeah, yeah, sure. I can definitely talk about that. So renting, there has not been a conversation about renting them | 00:28:09 | |
| out. It's been more of like being able to satisfy vineyards own needs for recreation, like Vineyard Grove Park is constantly over | 00:28:15 | |
| packed for our rec programs. | 00:28:22 | |
| And we also use. | 00:28:29 | |
| What's that field in Ormond that we share with Orem? Lakeside, Lakeside Park, yes, thank you. So we use some of that as well in | 00:28:32 | |
| Orem, but we need, we need more additional rec space. So this is from what I understand it says for us, for the, for the | 00:28:37 | |
| residents. | 00:28:41 | |
| With regards to the baseball field. | 00:28:48 | |
| That is probably anywhere from 80 to 90 feet away from property lines. | 00:28:51 | |
| You know and and there there are the trees. There will be the trees. | 00:28:58 | |
| And that will be from a resident to resident conversation with with public works to see if they do want those trees in there or | 00:29:01 | |
| not. | 00:29:04 | |
| Faces that are just on the grass, so. | 00:29:45 | |
| Exactly, yeah. So that answers that question. | 00:29:49 | |
| Then the. | 00:29:54 | |
| Quiet places closer to residence. Was there a thought on? | 00:29:56 | |
| Why the places are where they are? Kind of just your thoughts. | 00:30:00 | |
| So it's 90 feet from, is it 90 feet from the baseball field area to the property lines? | 00:30:06 | |
| Yeah, yeah. So from the from the backstop, it's probably around that that distance because the the trail is about 40 feet. So | 00:30:14 | |
| there's a 40 foot buffer from the property lines and then it looks like there's an equal space between the trail to the baseball. | 00:30:21 | |
| So that's at least 7080 feet there. And from what I understand, there aren't even any plans to put in any kind of like stadium | 00:30:28 | |
| kind of seating at all. No. So it'll be real similar to what they have going on at Gammon Park currently. | 00:30:35 | |
| Just real basic. And then also as far as some of the other areas like the Arboretum and the water feature and stuff. | 00:30:44 | |
| Those are just real awkward places to put soccer fields and stuff. So and then as as well as the garden, like we're trying to get | 00:30:52 | |
| it closer to parking because many of the residents that use the garden spaces are older residents, so just trying to fit | 00:30:56 | |
| everything. | 00:31:01 | |
| Where it's close to parking and works for everybody, it's hard to juggle it all. | 00:31:06 | |
| We've gone through a lot of the iterations of this plan on what would be best. | 00:31:13 | |
| But. | 00:31:19 | |
| Yeah, like Dave Robin said, there's no perfect plan for everybody, but we're trying to make it as. | 00:31:20 | |
| As good for everybody as we possibly can. | 00:31:29 | |
| And then go into Travis comments on lights are are there any plans on doing big? | 00:31:33 | |
| Light the no, no, probably. I mean we may have lights in the parking area, but we haven't had any discussions further about big | 00:31:39 | |
| lights anywhere on the plan actually. And if we do have lights, we could always have them turn off an appropriate time. We can | 00:31:47 | |
| have them be down, lit, hooded, no higher than 20 feet tall, which is what the zoning ordinance. | 00:31:55 | |
| Allows, but we haven't had any major conversations about lighting. | 00:32:03 | |
| And then as far as parking in the center, so we have that open space area just South of the parking. | 00:32:09 | |
| Could that possibly be expanded? Yeah. So that's why we did it. And we're also in the process of working with the school to do | 00:32:18 | |
| some sort of you know potential maintenance agreement that we would share in the cost of maintenance that they allowed us to to | 00:32:24 | |
| utilize their their parking like officially. And I think you have another 100 plus stalls right there. | 00:32:30 | |
| And then to kind of talk about the street parking. | 00:32:37 | |
| That was also in response to trying to provide some priority parking along the field so that you know folks could get kind of | 00:32:40 | |
| closer to the field to help kind of reduce the the desire of wanting to go into the neighborhood. | 00:32:47 | |
| And then the other thing too is that scenario as you see like the crosswalks we're actually going to look at at this section, this | 00:32:55 | |
| was coming from the plan. We received a lot of comments about the the amount of people like that that walk already and wanting | 00:33:03 | |
| like a safer, safer crossings and making this part of Center St. slower. And so we may look at doing like bulb outs and there is a | 00:33:11 | |
| lot of room obviously being on a park that you could push the parking in even a little bit further to provide more. | 00:33:19 | |
| Room for folks to negotiate kind of backing out. But yeah, this is something where we would work with the traffic consultant and | 00:33:27 | |
| that we would have an engineer who's done a bunch of these. We've looked at a lot of examples of parks that do have street parking | 00:33:34 | |
| and some parks are served almost 100% by street parking because they're trying to preserve the parks for like open space stuff. So | 00:33:42 | |
| that's kind of our desires. If we can put some on the street that allows us to maintain the field because even that little field. | 00:33:49 | |
| The Parks Department really still won't wants that all those little fields it provides. | 00:33:57 | |
| Different areas that they can program, but yeah, that that would be an expansionary if we needed. And then there was also a desire | 00:34:01 | |
| from the council for us to look at when the Community Center comes in. | 00:34:07 | |
| Doing a plate of basically subterranean parking that that would go on underneath the facility. | 00:34:14 | |
| Whether or not it happens, I mean that that's something that that we would look at, but yeah. | 00:34:20 | |
| We've also talked to the Parks Department about programming of the fields. One of the biggest issues with parking, especially for | 00:34:26 | |
| like the soccer events, is overlap, where you get a lot of, you know, families showing up as well, families haven't left yet. | 00:34:33 | |
| And so on the park tomorrow it said that they've committed to providing enough kind of time between games, so the 1520 minutes so | 00:34:41 | |
| that people can can kind of flush out and that you're not you're not overlapping that that that traffic and and and and this is | 00:34:49 | |
| more kind of an expansion area for for their their program. I think gammon or growth is still going to be kind of more the | 00:34:56 | |
| priority spot. So you'd probably see the heavier use there and and you still have you know. | 00:35:04 | |
| Used here, but it wouldn't be as heavy as as Crow Park so. | 00:35:12 | |
| This, this, all abilities playground. | 00:35:17 | |
| If we built it exactly to the size, would probably be the biggest in Utah County. So it currently is approximately 28,000 square | 00:35:21 | |
| feet. The one in Orem, the what's it called. | 00:35:27 | |
| There are all abilities per guy. I forget what they call it is 18,000 square feet. So we could definitely shrink this one a little | 00:35:35 | |
| bit. If scale it back, add a little bit more parking. So there there's all kinds of things that we can do to accommodate more | 00:35:40 | |
| parking. Cool. OK, cool. | 00:35:45 | |
| Does that answer everybody's questions or? | 00:35:52 | |
| I'm just wondering. Sorry you got to come. | 00:35:56 | |
| Sorry Dave, you got to come to the mic if you're gonna. | 00:35:58 | |
| This is how it used to be back when I was on it. Planning permission. You guys are way too formal. No, I just went that. Have you | 00:36:02 | |
| looked at the Spanish Fork? All Abilities park and I haven't been there myself. No, Sorry, I was going to say. | 00:36:10 | |
| Yeah, I was going to say. | 00:36:20 | |
| Yeah. | 00:36:25 | |
| Know about that one. And I'm saying there's a lot of good features in. | 00:36:26 | |
| And I think it's quite, it's huge. So anyway, that's the resource for you to look at. Yeah, great. Thank you, Dave. | 00:36:30 | |
| And as we as we go through and breakdown into each of these plans, we will. | 00:36:38 | |
| Have more details on the exact size of everything, the parking for everything. This is just a basic overlay of This is what we're | 00:36:43 | |
| hoping will come in and the details will. | 00:36:49 | |
| We'll flush the details out when it comes to that. | 00:36:55 | |
| OK, there were a couple of e-mail comments. Should I read those? | 00:36:59 | |
| Brian covered those in his business presentation. He highlighted those and that that, yeah, that that dealt with the the view | 00:37:06 | |
| corridors, the hill, slide hill, you know a few of those things. Great. OK. Any other comments from? | 00:37:15 | |
| Commissioner, no. | 00:37:25 | |
| No. OK, cool. If not, then do I have a motion to close the public hearing? | 00:37:27 | |
| Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. All right. Do I have a motion? | 00:37:37 | |
| Oh, oh. | 00:37:46 | |
| I want to find a. | 00:37:50 | |
| And chair if you're you do have the request from a member of the public to add in some of the language that's not necessarily | 00:37:56 | |
| something you have to get get in tonight. If you recommend approval that could go to the City Council and that would provide staff | 00:38:02 | |
| the time to to to draft up something for for the the City Council to look up but your motion could say. | 00:38:09 | |
| Basically that that that a draft version will be provided with with this language for the City Council to consider. That that way | 00:38:16 | |
| you don't have to go through and wordsmith the plan tonight. | 00:38:22 | |
| Cool, all right. | 00:38:29 | |
| I moved to. | 00:38:31 | |
| Ordinance 2023-16 as presented by staff with the. | 00:38:33 | |
| Draft of recommended enhancements. | 00:38:39 | |
| To the Vineyard Central Corridor Master plan. | 00:38:44 | |
| That, like staff, will provide City Council. | 00:38:49 | |
| Do I have a second? | 00:38:54 | |
| Second, this will be a roll call. Craig A. | 00:38:55 | |
| Anthony, hi Bryce. I take. Hey, all right passes. | 00:38:59 | |
| Moving on to item 4.2, public hearing for the zoning text amendment of domestic livestock and foul and this will be cash handling | 00:39:03 | |
| this. Thank you guys so much for the comments you made on this. The public comments really helped draft this whole plan and make | 00:39:09 | |
| it what it was. So thank you guys. | 00:39:14 | |
| Sorry, it's just loading here. | 00:39:23 | |
| Shouldn't take that long. | 00:39:44 | |
| OK. Oh, there we go. Sorry, I'm going to excuse myself now. | 00:39:51 | |
| She's dealing with that. | 00:39:58 | |
| Sorry, good luck with chickens. | 00:40:02 | |
| Domestic, foul, domestic and ducks and turkeys. | 00:40:06 | |
| None of those not Roosters. | 00:40:12 | |
| OK. Do you want me to get started? Yeah. OK. I mean, we can make this really quick. We met about a month ago, did a work session | 00:40:17 | |
| on this, just talked about how we created this tiered system to allow smaller lots, more than one acre to have chickens. And it | 00:40:25 | |
| depends on the lot size, the number of chickens I'd be able to have. So I'm. I'm happy to entertain any questions. We do have to | 00:40:32 | |
| go through, like the public hearing. But then, yeah, we'd be looking forward to a recommendation to the City Council. | 00:40:39 | |
| Cool. | 00:40:47 | |
| So nothing has changed since. Yeah, nothing has changed. Nothing has been changed. Do you guys have any other questions or? | 00:40:50 | |
| Anthony, if you wouldn't mind, I'm sure I make a motion to open a public hearing. | 00:40:58 | |
| Second, all in favor, aye, all right, now is the time to make any comments about the domestic livestock and sales. Are there any | 00:41:03 | |
| public comments? | 00:41:07 | |
| Seeing as there are none, do I have a motion to close the public hearing? Make a motion to close the public hearing second. All in | 00:41:12 | |
| favor. | 00:41:15 | |
| All right. Do I have a motion on this? | 00:41:20 | |
| Yeah, I can make a motion. | 00:41:25 | |
| I moved to make a recommendation of Ordinance 2023-15. | 00:41:28 | |
| For domestic livestock and foul to the City Council, have a second second. This will be a roll call. Craig Anthony Bryce I. | 00:41:35 | |
| All right, that passes. Moving on to 4.3 General Plan amendment for the public facilities and services. This is Brian. | 00:41:45 | |
| OK guys. Brian Maya, Senior Planner. | 00:41:55 | |
| This next one is going to be. | 00:41:58 | |
| A little long and arduous because it has to do with engineering. | 00:42:00 | |
| I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, it was. It was a delight working with our engineering department on this general Plan | 00:42:06 | |
| amendment. So this is a ordinance, 2023-14 DMM IT to Public Facilities and Services. | 00:42:13 | |
| So here's a summary of what we. | 00:42:22 | |
| This ordinance talks about ordinance 2020. Was that I should say 2023? Sorry 20/23/14 presents numerous updates to the entire | 00:42:26 | |
| content of the element. | 00:42:30 | |
| Not just the goals and strategies. So we, the public works director and the planning department in and made lots of changes. | 00:42:35 | |
| The so our goal as the community development department is to update at least two entire elements per year. And so a lot of work | 00:42:44 | |
| had been going into place starting from last year on this public facilities. We also did a lot of work on heritage and cultural | 00:42:50 | |
| resources. You'll probably see that pretty soon. | 00:42:56 | |
| We have still been working pretty closely with with Tim Blackburn. Well we had been now he's no longer in the on the committee, | 00:43:03 | |
| but we are getting to the point we're ready to present that. | 00:43:08 | |
| We've obviously been doing a lot of work on parks, open space, trails and lakefront. | 00:43:14 | |
| Element and moderate income housing as you guys saw late in into last year. | 00:43:19 | |
| So this is Section 8, point 4.010 overview. So these are the changes to that section. So there's an update to new Department and | 00:43:27 | |
| Services locations. Talks about City Hall and how the Public Works department and all the city departments are are spread out | 00:43:34 | |
| between City Hall and and development services. It also talks about the new Public Works facility in the northern part of | 00:43:41 | |
| Vineyard. There's. | 00:43:48 | |
| An update to the summary in general to how the Public Works department is organized in their responsibilities. | 00:43:55 | |
| And there's updates to the different divisions that now make up the Public Works Department. So continuing this is the streets | 00:44:01 | |
| division section. So we some responsibilities were added. We removed a note about $3.50 per month being charged to residents for | 00:44:07 | |
| the maintenance of vineyard streets. | 00:44:13 | |
| There currently is no charge. | 00:44:20 | |
| To there is no maintenance fee, so that was. | 00:44:23 | |
| And we also increase the amount that the year invests, the, sorry the city invests in the street network from $100,000 per year to | 00:44:27 | |
| $300,000 per year. | 00:44:32 | |
| I have a question randomly. | 00:44:37 | |
| So on the utility bill that we get from the city, there is a line item that says transportation. | 00:44:39 | |
| I'm just curious, so how is it funded? Like when you increase the budget from 100 to 300,000, where does that, Is that just | 00:44:46 | |
| general stuff that you guys get or I'm just curious generally to know how it's funded. Yeah, we're going to let Nasim, our | 00:44:53 | |
| partners director and it doesn't have to be in great detail, I just just generally just curious about how that works. | 00:44:59 | |
| Yes. | 00:45:27 | |
| Works director actually that's a great question, so I'm up here right now to. | 00:45:31 | |
| Solicit some donations to pay for our funds. If so, I'm glad that you're volunteering. | 00:45:38 | |
| OK. So again when it comes to, excuse me, when it comes to history, there's different ways on funding on on streets, the primary | 00:45:44 | |
| way is gas tax is your most common way of doing it. So when you get gas taxes, taxes are collected. | 00:45:51 | |
| From. | 00:45:59 | |
| Excuse me, Taxes are collected from the gas. It's a kind of a usage charge. I mean there's different ways on the constructs of | 00:46:00 | |
| that for especially with the with the rise of more electric vehicles and the roads States and many states, not just Utah but many | 00:46:06 | |
| states are discussing about. | 00:46:12 | |
| The taxes off the registration and or excuse me, a usage tax from the registration like I know thing to help capture the use of | 00:46:18 | |
| electric vehicles utilizing the public roads. There's also Monica does come from car registrations as well, but the state | 00:46:24 | |
| collects. | 00:46:29 | |
| And there are some There is a subsea ***** you see that not too far north from here. That does charge a transportation use fee. | 00:46:36 | |
| I'm not sure exactly the wording on that, but that's a that's a feud with residents pay in order to maintain the roads up there. | 00:46:44 | |
| As well, so and then of course. | 00:46:54 | |
| Some some funds come from collections of storm water, stormwater fees to pay help, pay for the utilities, and so forth. So there's | 00:46:58 | |
| multiple constructs about how to pay for the maintenance of roads. On that, there's. | 00:47:03 | |
| I mean we can have a discussion offline to to really go into well that makes sense I generally I guess. | 00:47:09 | |
| Through the state and then handed down into the cities. | 00:47:16 | |
| There was this. I can't remember if it was House bill or Senate bill that discussed, but no, Yeah, that makes sense. | 00:47:20 | |
| Yeah, that's typically the way it is and it comes out and then they're used to that fund. So where it comes down to prioritization | 00:47:26 | |
| of the on how to. | 00:47:32 | |
| And how the roadway preservations are done as well so? | 00:47:38 | |
| Thank you. | 00:47:43 | |
| I'll just, I'll keep going. | 00:47:46 | |
| OK, so the engineering department, engineering department, now it's known as the engineering division. | 00:47:49 | |
| So this. | 00:47:56 | |
| Outlines the responsibilities, provides details regarding the reduction and prevention of storm water pollution, the requirements | 00:47:58 | |
| for storm water pollution prevention plans for projects of one acre or larger. The Engineering Division also manages construction, | 00:48:03 | |
| inspections and the and the development of the cities infrastructure. The Engineering Division is also in charge of all capital | 00:48:08 | |
| capital improvement projects. | 00:48:13 | |
| The Operations Division section has been replaced with free and facilities. | 00:48:19 | |
| We've removed the Storm Water Division section. Storm water is now addressed in the Engineering Division. We've added the | 00:48:26 | |
| Environmental Utilities Division section, which speaks to where Vineyard obtains its drinking water, provides a summary of the | 00:48:32 | |
| cities wastewater system, and speaks to how the city treats its wastewater. It also speaks to the responsibility for private | 00:48:38 | |
| developers to secure water rights for their projects. | 00:48:43 | |
| Still in the Division section, we have removed the Water Resources Division. We've also removed the Wastewater Collection section. | 00:48:52 | |
| The Environmental Utilities Division section now provides for the sorry, the details are in there about how we the collection of | 00:48:58 | |
| all wastewater. | 00:49:04 | |
| And an update to the schools section. There are now four schools in Vineyard and we've added details regarding Trailside | 00:49:12 | |
| Elementary. | 00:49:16 | |
| There's also been an update to the Facilities and Services for the Future section, and we've added some information on the | 00:49:22 | |
| Vineyard Children's Library. | 00:49:26 | |
| So now this is the Keys, Key Opportunities and Challenges section. In 8.04020 we added an introduction to Key Opportunities and | 00:49:30 | |
| Challenges section. Feel free to stop me anywhere you'd like and we can talk more in detail. | 00:49:37 | |
| This section 8.08010 So these are now the Goals and Strategies section. So those have been edited and arranged a little | 00:49:46 | |
| differently. | 00:49:51 | |
| So the first goal is develop infrastructure master plans. This goal now is replacing goals for the maintenance of public | 00:49:56 | |
| facilities. | 00:49:59 | |
| But we didn't eliminate those goals. We moved them to go. | 00:50:03 | |
| We changed goal one in this section to develop a 20 year infrastructure to develop 20 year infrastructure master plans. | 00:50:07 | |
| Goal two is to develop a 20 year storm water and land drain master. | 00:50:14 | |
| Goal three is to develop a 20 year Power, Telecommunications and Gas Master plan. Goal 4 is to develop a 20 year Transportation | 00:50:19 | |
| Master Plan. | 00:50:23 | |
| 8.08.020 Goal Two Develop a public facilities plan. | 00:50:31 | |
| This plan or Sorry this goal is replacing Goals for Recycling recycling program in the city, but it was moved to Goal 6. So Goal 6 | 00:50:36 | |
| addresses recycling. | 00:50:41 | |
| So in this section we plan for a fire station, for a new City Hall location, and for the layout of the public works yard or | 00:50:47 | |
| facilities area. | 00:50:51 | |
| Goal Three is to develop a conservation program, which is replacing goals for stormwater management. With the new conservation | 00:50:57 | |
| program, stormwater management plans were moved to Goal 5. | 00:51:02 | |
| This section has plans for protecting our natural resources in the city and plans for improving air and water quality, plans for | 00:51:08 | |
| focusing on renewable energy sources and plans for protecting environmentally sensitive areas. | 00:51:14 | |
| A new strategy has been added that focuses on reducing waste and consumption. | 00:51:20 | |
| Section 8.08 point 040 Go for, provide and maintain municipal facilities and services that adequately serve the needs of any | 00:51:26 | |
| residents and businesses in a cost effective manner. This is expanding the already existing goals in this section for the | 00:51:31 | |
| maintenance and the distribution of Public Utilities. | 00:51:37 | |
| It provides plans for adequate locations of new facilities and services, plans for regular evaluation of municipal facilities and | 00:51:43 | |
| services, plans to ensure that new development includes appropriate utilities, and plans to ensure that the burden of providing | 00:51:49 | |
| utilities to new development falls upon the developer and not the city. | 00:51:55 | |
| Section 8.08 Point 050 Go 5 Develop and maintain a stormwater management program that accommodates through the city's rapid | 00:52:03 | |
| growth, protects water quality and establishes A vibrant ecosystem. | 00:52:08 | |
| Providing for goals for enhanced stormwater management. | 00:52:14 | |
| Goals regarding the Community Partnerships have been moved to Goal 7. | 00:52:18 | |
| So this presents a storm water management plan that has to be updated annually, plans to increase efficiency of citywide drainage | 00:52:22 | |
| systems and plans to develop illicit discharge detection and elimination program. Sorry. | 00:52:29 | |
| Section 8.08 Point 06/06 Develop and maintain a trash and recycling program that encourages sustainability and limits contribution | 00:52:38 | |
| to landfills. Providing goals for trash and recycling. | 00:52:43 | |
| This section plans to encourage commercial entities to recycle. It also provides plans to create a citywide program to encourage | 00:52:51 | |
| recycling and reuse. | 00:52:55 | |
| And plans to enforce best practices for the storage and disposal of hazardous materials. | 00:52:59 | |
| Hey, Brian. | 00:53:06 | |
| What beyond just these bullet points would actually be in the general plan or would the plans take place outside of that. So these | 00:53:08 | |
| are the guiding plans and I believe that we have other additional plans that the public Works Director can speak to that delve | 00:53:14 | |
| deeper into these things. But having them in the general plan establishes that they are important to us and some of them they do | 00:53:20 | |
| provide a little more detail, but we have these serve as overarching goals and strategies that then are further implemented | 00:53:25 | |
| through additional plans. | 00:53:31 | |
| Similar to just how we did the Central Corridor master plan, so like the the general plan had some like just kind of general | 00:53:39 | |
| language about about parks and stuff like that. And then we do a master plan that provides like the details of kind of gives us | 00:53:46 | |
| like that the guideline of how to move forward. So we do something similar to that for these and I would say that. | 00:53:53 | |
| We've done a pretty good job in the past of engaging the public on a lot of our plans. | 00:54:01 | |
| And just looking through some of these, I know. | 00:54:06 | |
| A lot of expertise and passion just amongst the residents for some of these different things, like whether it's. | 00:54:09 | |
| Infrastructure plans or the fire station or water conservation, You know, whatever it might be, there's probably opportunities to | 00:54:16 | |
| engage the public. | 00:54:19 | |
| And tap into some of. | 00:54:23 | |
| The resources here. | 00:54:25 | |
| Yes. | 00:54:27 | |
| Yeah. Another good example is all the different things that we just did with water. We did the water efficiency standards and we | 00:54:31 | |
| did the conservation, the water conservation program. And so yeah, there's there will be further opportunities for people to learn | 00:54:37 | |
| and participate and engage and add to all those different plans and how these strategies are carried out. | 00:54:43 | |
| So we'll keep doing our best to notice all those plans and things as they come up. | 00:54:49 | |
| So here's another new section. We're almost done. There's a new section 8.08.070, Goal 7. Develop and maintain strategic | 00:54:57 | |
| partnerships with outside entities that will improve the provision of public services and meet the needs of vineyards growing | 00:55:02 | |
| population. | 00:55:06 | |
| So develop and maintain strategic partnerships with outside entities that will improve the provision of public services and meet | 00:55:12 | |
| the needs of growing population. | 00:55:16 | |
| This is the last new goal New Section 8.08.080 Goal 8 Ensure and protect the quality and long term supply of water resources, | 00:55:22 | |
| groundwater and surface water supplies. | 00:55:27 | |
| Plans to ensure that new developments have sufficient water and plans to reduce surface water pollution. | 00:55:34 | |
| City staff recommends approval of Ordinance 2023-14 General Plan Amendments to Public Facilities and Services element as presented | 00:55:42 | |
| by City staff and in the Staff report. | 00:55:47 | |
| Our proposed motion is to adopt. | 00:55:53 | |
| Sorry, recommended option I should say to the City Council and I just want to thank the public works Director for all the all the | 00:55:56 | |
| work that he put into this and spent a lot of time looking at plans and making appropriate recommendations so. | 00:56:03 | |
| Thank you, Brian and Morgan. So you might have mentioned this, but so generally speaking just. | 00:56:11 | |
| Recap when we identify this as our. | 00:56:17 | |
| Then is there necessarily timelines in place where they say OK by within the next three years we want to implement Goal 5 or | 00:56:21 | |
| whatever and and then does that get? | 00:56:26 | |
| How often does it get relooked at type of thing from the city? Does that make sense? Yeah. So we have an implementation section in | 00:56:32 | |
| the general plan. | 00:56:35 | |
| Our next step with this would be to then update the implementation plan because it lays out all the different strategies that we | 00:56:39 | |
| just that we are proposing to recommending to amend. So that comes after this. But yeah, in the in the general plan all the way in | 00:56:46 | |
| the in the back section, it'll layout strategies, kind of show a recommended timeline, a rough timeline with some rough. | 00:56:53 | |
| Budget requirements at that specific strategy would require. OK, sorry, an amendment to that would be the next step. OK, well, | 00:57:01 | |
| thank you and I would echo. | 00:57:07 | |
| You guys do a lot of work, so thank you for looking out best you can, I guess for city residents, yeah, for sure. And our previous | 00:57:13 | |
| public works leaders as well. And people are served in the department. They've all done a great job before as well, so I want to | 00:57:18 | |
| thank them too. | 00:57:23 | |
| Any other comments? It's not. Let's open it up for a public hearing. | 00:57:29 | |
| Do I need a motion? Yeah, make a motion to open. | 00:57:35 | |
| A public hearing on. | 00:57:39 | |
| This go ahead, all in favor? Aye. All right. If you have any comments? | 00:57:41 | |
| All right, this thing is, there are none. Do I have a motion to close the public hearing? Motion to close the public hearing. | 00:57:48 | |
| I'll second that all in favor. | 00:57:54 | |
| All right, start the motion for this. | 00:57:56 | |
| I'll make a motion to move. | 00:57:59 | |
| Recommend Ord. | 00:58:03 | |
| 20/23/14 is presented by staff to the City Council. Do I have a second second that this will be a roll call? Craig aye. Anthony | 00:58:05 | |
| Bryce I. | 00:58:10 | |
| All right, that passes. Moving on to 6.1 or sorry, 5.1. Sign code, zoning, text amendments, cash. | 00:58:15 | |
| All right, there we go. Yeah, so this is just a work session. A few weeks ago I brought the new sign code for you guys review, and | 00:58:24 | |
| it included a section about wall art and building murals that I could do to ignore. So we're still drafting language for that. So | 00:58:30 | |
| we finally have that here. | 00:58:35 | |
| And there's just four sections here on on what people can do if they propose. | 00:58:42 | |
| A mural or wall art, and I'll just review those points. The first one is that all wall art murals or parking structure screening | 00:58:47 | |
| shall not exceed 30% of a building or structure facade. | 00:58:53 | |
| The City Council may approve a higher area dedicated towards wall art and murals if the allowable square footage is reallocated | 00:58:59 | |
| from other facades of the same building. That's similar to our former, I think sign code and our wall signs. | 00:59:06 | |
| All right. And that if they want a larger shine or a larger mural, they just have to take it from other sides of the building. | 00:59:15 | |
| So that way a lot of murals do take up, you know, a whole side of a building. But if they, you know, apply to do that, I'd have to | 00:59:23 | |
| go through the City Council. But that way they wouldn't put any other wall, wall art or murals on the other facades. | 00:59:29 | |
| Is there a reason this goes? This would go to the City Council instead of just to the Planning Commission like it does with the | 00:59:36 | |
| normal sign stuff. | 00:59:40 | |
| Yeah. Yeah, we could. And yeah, and also with the creation of the, I don't know if the the ARCH Commission would be able to give | 00:59:44 | |
| that kind of approval or not. | 00:59:48 | |
| Land use. | 00:59:53 | |
| The zoning code OK. | 00:59:55 | |
| OK. So, yeah, yeah, we could, we could make that change. | 00:59:58 | |
| Then absolutely, yeah. OK. | 01:00:02 | |
| OK. | 01:00:07 | |
| So the the third is wall art or murals located within public right of way or in a public facility shall be reviewed by the Arch | 01:00:09 | |
| Commission for recommendation of the City Council, The City Council's authorized to approve all public art and murals within the | 01:00:15 | |
| city. And then the last is all lettering loads or symbols for advertising purposes shall meet the wall sign standards. So if if | 01:00:22 | |
| they if a company does have like a logo or something inside the mural, it would still have to fit within. | 01:00:28 | |
| The the wall sign code. So they couldn't, you know, make this giant mural and claim it Giant mural of their business and claim | 01:00:36 | |
| it's a mural, not a. | 01:00:40 | |
| If it was a mural of, say, a mascot for something, it's not necessarily their logo. How would how would stuff like that like be | 01:00:47 | |
| handled? | 01:00:52 | |
| That's a good question. I don't know if Morgan wants to take a stab at that. | 01:00:59 | |
| Yeah, no problem. Yeah. It's one of those things where you have to be really careful because there's the 1st Amendment a ton of | 01:01:05 | |
| way obviously. And so you you want to make sure your ordinance isn't restricting people's freedom of speech and freedom to to to | 01:01:11 | |
| to display and assign, to advertise. So what we would do in that case? | 01:01:17 | |
| Is most likely sent it to the attorney. So if we and that's typically what we do when when someone pushes back really hard if we | 01:01:23 | |
| say well you know that's AI don't want to pick on a company but if there's like a certain like restaurant that has you know they | 01:01:30 | |
| and they they paint their their logo into the into the mural if it's you know most likely if it's identifiable as as a logo that | 01:01:37 | |
| that they use. | 01:01:43 | |
| And you know and if it's if it's like the items that that they're selling. | 01:01:52 | |
| We probably would make an interpretation that that's part of the wall sign. | 01:01:55 | |
| That area of the mural and then if they if they then push back like in in most cases if if someone says well no we actually do | 01:02:00 | |
| meet the the code then we would send it to our our our legal counselor for for their legal interpretation And so so we're we're | 01:02:08 | |
| kind of covered in that sense and then typically we just do what the attorney says it's like well they're right you know then we | 01:02:15 | |
| do that but that that's typically what we do is we would just look at like a logo and if it's something that they use. | 01:02:22 | |
| On a regular basis, and if it clearly advertises their business, then most likely that portion would be a wall sign. | 01:02:30 | |
| Cool. Do you guys have anything you want to add or? | 01:02:39 | |
| No, I think I just want to add that I think it's good to make. | 01:02:46 | |
| Room for this most any vibrant. | 01:02:49 | |
| Downtown area has some of this and it can be. | 01:02:53 | |
| The selling point interesting thing is that even looking on the Utah. | 01:02:57 | |
| Visitors Bureau. They have like a whole mural guide, right? | 01:03:02 | |
| And the business, it talks about how the business is next to. | 01:03:07 | |
| Tend to do really well people. | 01:03:11 | |
| Come just to see it and then grab lunch or something like that. So I think it's good that we're making room for this and then also | 01:03:13 | |
| having you know some control around it but also like not saying no to it. Yeah. And then we will be, I I don't know if you've been | 01:03:19 | |
| told about this or not but with the water tower on one side of it, we we were planning on doing this giant mural. And so this code | 01:03:24 | |
| would allow us to actually do that and that's why we're we're pushing this right now to get that done so we can start going forbid | 01:03:30 | |
| for for artists. | 01:03:36 | |
| But yeah, if you have any other questions or anything like that. | 01:03:42 | |
| And the way this is written would essentially allow the entire side of that water tower. | 01:03:45 | |
| The Arts Commission being a public facility and then. | 01:03:52 | |
| Square footage. | 01:04:00 | |
| Cool. Great. | 01:04:02 | |
| Yeah, no, I think it looks good. | 01:04:03 | |
| OK, so next steps for this we will, I'll I'll throw this back into the the complete code. The other changes I made getting rid of | 01:04:08 | |
| the the science standard waiver and we will most likely bring that up for a recommendation in two weeks I believe. | 01:04:16 | |
| Sounds good. Thank you, Kash. | 01:04:25 | |
| All right, moving on to Commission member reports and expert a discussion and disclosure. | 01:04:28 | |
| And if anything. | 01:04:34 | |
| One thing so Cash and Mitchell helped me sign up for It's called the Move Utah Summit. So it's like active transportation. | 01:04:37 | |
| I believe. | 01:04:46 | |
| May 24th or something like that. May 20th. | 01:04:47 | |
| So I'll report back on that. Cool. But yeah, just to echo that, staff supportive if you find any events that you think pertain to | 01:04:50 | |
| the job that you're interested in. | 01:04:55 | |
| So I'll help you out with it. | 01:04:59 | |
| Awesome. Anything from? | 01:05:01 | |
| Oh yeah, on April 13th we will be doing a Mill Rd. Like the future of Mill Rd. Town Hall. It's going to be at the Edgewater. | 01:05:08 | |
| Their, their clubhouse. I believe it's at 6:00 PM Everybody's invited. We're really focusing on kind of the the developments and | 01:05:18 | |
| businesses surrounding Mill Rd. to get their input, but but the whole city's invited. We want to know just any safety issues or | 01:05:24 | |
| anything like that, any pedestrian improvements you'd like to see along that street. | 01:05:31 | |
| So yeah, we'll we'll have a good time there and then it looks like Naseem. | 01:05:38 | |
| Come on, come on, let's figure out. Almost. | 01:05:46 | |
| So some information for Public Works on April. | 01:06:09 | |
| 18th we're having Facebook live event is specifically about the transportation Master plan that's being that we're going through | 01:06:14 | |
| right now. | 01:06:18 | |
| We'll have some awesome. | 01:06:23 | |
| People presenting on there, they will be obviously the awesomeness does come from engineers that it will be on there, but we'll | 01:06:26 | |
| have a presentation from State Council and Representation Planning Commission, so I'd like to. | 01:06:33 | |
| Thank Anthony for volunteering his time to be on that Facebook Live and I hope everyone signs on and asks those great questions | 01:06:39 | |
| that the public will be able to to ask. That's a Facebook Live event on April 18th about the Transportation Master Plan and then | 01:06:47 | |
| on April 25th we're going to be doing the public open house for the Transportation Master Plan. | 01:06:54 | |
| Where the consultants? | 01:07:03 | |
| Who are working with it along with city staff will be. | 01:07:05 | |
| And. | 01:07:10 | |
| I believe. | 01:07:11 | |
| Freedom Prep? Yeah. Freedom Prep elementary school auditorium. And it's going to be combined with impact vineyards. | 01:07:12 | |
| Event as well. So the tenants there should be twice as big, probably not because of the transportation master plan but probably | 01:07:23 | |
| because of the impact Vineyard portion of it. But it's a great opportunity for the public to come out and learn more about that, | 01:07:29 | |
| excuse me, the transportation Master plan and provide comments and inputs so we can capture that and. | 01:07:35 | |
| Utilize that, that's like that's a great example of how the general plan is providing that guiding light. | 01:07:42 | |
| For that Transportation Master Plan as well. | 01:07:47 | |
| Yeah, sorry. So those are those are those are two events that for in terms of the from the works and. | 01:07:53 | |
| In terms of. | 01:08:02 | |
| Vineyard Connector is moving forward. The big part about Vineyard Connector is a DLT project. We're obviously looking forward to | 01:08:03 | |
| opening up in August, excuse me, October, October 2023. And then we're also moving forward. That's a conversation that we had some | 01:08:10 | |
| time ago and it's moving forward as well as the Promenade Overpass. | 01:08:17 | |
| As well as going to be is moving forward the designs, the designs are aligned to the the principles that the Planning Commission | 01:08:25 | |
| and City Council have provided. And I think everyone will be very pleased when when we get well, when we get past the structure | 01:08:33 | |
| portion of it with dot and start working more on the aesthetic portion of it with with downtown developer. | 01:08:40 | |
| Can I ask a question about the aesthetic question So is. | 01:08:49 | |
| An opportunity for the the arch committee or whatever that they would work with. I mean because I know you not only allows a | 01:08:55 | |
| certain amount of aesthetics but definitely considers. | 01:09:00 | |
| Umm, input from the city? Yeah. So right now the big portion of it that we're working with DLT about. | 01:09:05 | |
| Is making sure that we capture the. | 01:09:12 | |
| Kind of outlining the confines of the weights that could be placed on the bridge like you know planners and other types of like | 01:09:16 | |
| are we is it going to be. | 01:09:21 | |
| Raised sidewalks or sidewalks at the same level of roads, for example, how the drainage is working and such that's that's really | 01:09:28 | |
| what the big that's kind of like the information we're trying to get through with DLT. So that'll kind of outline the constraints. | 01:09:36 | |
| And there I could about bounce. I'll save the boundaries and also the types of connections that the dot will allow on the | 01:09:44 | |
| structure. From there, working with the planning department and so forth will be able to incorporate. | 01:09:51 | |
| Other other aspects to that, but thanks. Yeah, I'd say push you down, that's all I'm saying. I mean they have certain committee | 01:09:59 | |
| and stuff as well but. | 01:10:04 | |
| I wouldn't be shy away if I was the city to just ask for what you think you want, because it's like a pretty prominent feature, | 01:10:11 | |
| right? So to. | 01:10:15 | |
| Push the batteries a little bit. Oh yeah. No, definitely have been a great partner to work with in terms of that and they haven't. | 01:10:20 | |
| When we've talked to them about certain aspects, they've come back to us with, you know, maybe not this, but how about that, for | 01:10:27 | |
| example? So they haven't just. | 01:10:34 | |
| So they've been great parking to work with and the developer Flyborough has hired a very prominent architect company, OJB, I | 01:10:41 | |
| believe that's their name. | 01:10:47 | |
| To workout some of the kind of like some of the looks and so forth and you know, coming from an engineer, when they say that's | 01:10:53 | |
| that looks very good, that's a very good compliment. That's good. | 01:10:59 | |
| If the bridge doesn't fall down and it's Gray, I'm happy. | 01:11:07 | |
| Yeah, and it looks good. That's always a bonus. Exactly. | 01:11:11 | |
| And the the Bicycle Advisory Commission did recommend approval and that's something to that we can bring you in our next meeting | 01:11:15 | |
| because I think the design is now at least the design piece, not the weights, but is pretty pretty close to being done. | 01:11:22 | |
| And so we can cash and help me remember to put that on the next, on the next day. So we think you'll like that design. We can even | 01:11:29 | |
| send it over to you fairly soon, so you can let it. | 01:11:34 | |
| OK. | 01:11:40 | |
| Yeah, I've got. I've got it if. | 01:11:43 | |
| Let's talk after about it, maybe a one that's a little bit more comprehensive. Thanks. Cool. Thanks. And just real quick fashion, | 01:11:46 | |
| the update from Postal Service. | 01:11:50 | |
| I knew you'd asked me about that. I thought about it actually yesterday. I don't go to the post office anywhere near as much as I | 01:11:58 | |
| used to, but I will put it in my calendar to go there before our next Planning Commission and get you a solid update. | 01:12:05 | |
| It might be a no, but it'll be an update. | 01:12:14 | |
| Thank you. Cool everything. I have one more thing. | 01:12:17 | |
| For the impact fair on April 25th, Catherine would like the Planning Commission to have a booth or something on that. | 01:12:22 | |
| If you guys can figure that out amongst yourselves or we can help you. | 01:12:32 | |
| If there's someone who wants to volunteer to kind of work with staff, we we can help you put put the booth together. Maybe maybe | 01:12:38 | |
| it's just like a planning department slash Commission booth or something that we can highlight projects is this thing that we do, | 01:12:43 | |
| but you just just let us know. | 01:12:48 | |
| OK. Do you guys have any questions about any of the flooding that might be happening soon or any of our preparation for that? | 01:12:55 | |
| But there is a Facebook post that I've seen about a lot of what you can do, what options there are what? | 01:13:07 | |
| All right. So, yeah, Cool, cool. Thank you, Brian. Thank you, guys. All right, If that is everything, then meeting adjourned. | 01:13:17 | |
| He didn't get. | 01:13:28 | |
| Yeah. | 01:13:31 |