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CALL TO ORDER Bryce Brady called the meeting to order at01 pm.INVOCATION/INSPIRATIONAL THOUGHTS/PLEDGE OFALLEGIANCE led by and given by Anthony The Pledge of Allegiance was led and an invocation offered by Anthony Jenkins.
OPEN SESSION – The following individuals came forward to make a comment. Daria Evans made a comment concerning pedestrian and bicycle crossings.BUSINESS ITEMS1
Public Hearing - Zoning Text Amendment –.12.060 – Dimensional Standards Table This item was continued from the July,23 Planning Commission meeting. Bird Homes, LLC has applied for a zoning text amendment to increase the maximum building height for properties located withing the Regional Mixed Use (RMU) Zone. The current code allows for a maximum height of feet, the change would increase maximum height to feet in the RMU. Cache Hancey presented an update on the zoning text amendment with a request to see view sheds. Matt Brown, NW Brown Engineering, presented and explained the view corridors.
There was a discussion concerning restricting the height increase to a certain area of the RMU.
There was a discussion concerning the northern setback, neighboring Edgewater townhomes. Matt Brown came forward and said the applicant wants higher floor to ceiling stories to provide space for mechanical equipment and provide a higher quality building. There was a discussion concerning privacy.
MOTION: Anthony Jenkins made a motion to recommend approval of the zoning text amendment with the following conditions: it shall be limited to non-residential uses and limited to Lotandand Plat B. Graden seconded the motion. Bryce allowed for a public comment and questions. Daria Evans came forward and asked a question. road.
ROLL CALL: Those voting aye: Bryce Brady, Anthony Jenkins and Graden Ostler. Those voting nay: Tay Gundmundson. The motion passed with a vote ofto  2
Site Plan Application – Lake Promenade Flagborough has applied for a site plan application in the Vineyard Downtown District. This site plan will provide.5 acres of open space near Vineyard Connector and Main Street.
Sam from OJB presented the site plan application. He gave an overview of the six blocks. Blockwill be the beginning of a destination.
Blockis called Market Square.
Blockis called Civic Square and has an art feature.
Block the Greenway, has a pavilion in center flanked by green spaces.
Block Civic Park, will be a large green space with playgrounds and sport courts.  There was a discussion about maintenance and ownership. The park will be open to the public regardless of who maintains it.
There was a discussion about landscaping the Vineyard Connector right of way. There was a discussion concerning water-wise landscaping.
Blockis the largest with a stage and event area. The applicant presented the architecture review. There was a discussion concerning shade in the play areas.
Blockhas a performance pavilion designed to support small concerts.
There was a presentation on the material palette review. There was a discussion concerning the transitions between each block and the flow of pedestrian traffic.
The applicant gave a planting design review.
The applicant gave a lighting design review.
The applicant finished the presentation.
There was a discussion concerning the future pool area. The Planning Commission shared their thoughts about the Lake Promenade.
The following individuals came forward to make a public comment. Daria Evans asked several questions.
There was a discussion concerning an escape park. There was a discussion concerning the timeline of the construction of the promenade. MOTION: Tay Gundmundson made a motion to approve the site plan application with the following conditions: •       The irrigation plans should include dedicated lines to the trees to ensure that watering trees is prioritized. •       Trees shall have proper root system including zone and soil type, approved by the City Arborist •       A proving period for trees and plants needs to be conducted with the City Arborist prior to planting. •       All plantings shall have an establishment period ofyears before the obligation by the developer is met. If a planting fails, the establishment period resets. •       All trees and plantings that delineate from the Vineyard Landscape Manual shall be approved by the City Engineer or his designee. •       The irrigation plans should include dedicated lines to the trees to ensure that watering trees is prioritized. •       Trees shall have proper root system including zone and soil type, approved by the City Arborist •       A proving period for trees and plants needs to be conducted with the City Arborist prior to planting. •       All plantings shall have an establishment period ofyears before the obligation by the developer is met. If a planting fails, the establishment period resets. •       All trees and plantings that delineate from the Vineyard Landscape Manual shall be approved by the City Engineer or his designee.     Anthony Jenkins seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.
COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSIONDISCLOSUREThe following individuals gave a report: Tay Gundmundson, Cache Hancey, and Rachel Stevens.ADJOURNMENT
Bryce Brady adjourned the meeting at15. CERTIFIED CORRECT ON: August,23.   CERTIFIED BY:   /s/                             Rachel Stevens, Planner
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Welcome, everybody. Today is August 2nd. It is. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is 6:01 PM and we will start 00:02:24
off with an invocation and Pledge of Allegiance by Anthony Jenkins. We'll do that pledge first. Thank you. 00:02:31
I pleasantly of the United States of America. 00:02:41
For which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:02:47
Our Father in Heaven, we're thankful for the opportunity to gather together as a Planning Commission and as staff and residents. 00:02:59
Tonight we pray for guidance to treat these topics with the importance that they deserve and that we can. 00:03:07
Be open and understanding and that we can make decisions that will help move the city forward. And we pray for these things. In 00:03:16
the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:03:21
Alright. Thank you, Anthony. 00:03:25
All right. We'll move right into an open session. This is a time for any public comments, for something that's not on the agenda. 00:03:28
So if you have any public comments, please come up, state your name, you have 3 minutes, and if you have any questions, I'll write 00:03:32
them down. And yeah, we'll go from there. 00:03:37
Good evening. Thank you. My name is Daria Evans. Is it on? 00:03:46
Can you hear me? 00:03:53
Yeah. OK. Daria Evans, Vineyard resident. Thank you. I just. 00:03:54
I was riding my bike this morning and I'm getting a little scared riding it on Main on Center Street. So I was riding on the 00:04:01
sidewalk in front of the the farm plot and you know how you go into the street to get to that crosswalk? I was there at the 00:04:08
crosswalk waiting to cross. A gentleman stopped his truck. I was turning my bike, getting in to go, and the left lane flew right 00:04:16
past me. 00:04:23
And there was another truck behind who stopped. So I am asking if we might be able to get some flashing lights there. And also 00:04:31
when the mid block comes at the Loop Rd. if we can get some flashing lights at that one it's getting. I'm riding on the sidewalks 00:04:37
now. 00:04:43
It's getting scary, but I love to ride my bike, so I just want to address that. And also, I'm curious, will there be a public 00:04:50
hearing for the Lake Promenade site that they're talking about tonight? 00:04:57
Like, I don't know. 00:05:06
Because I have some questions about those amenities. 00:05:09
Yeah. And when we talked about the site plan application for the Lake Promenade, I'll open it up if you have some questions. OK. 00:05:14
Thank you. Yeah, that's not an official public hearing, but the chair can open up for public comment. OK. Thank you very much. 00:05:22
Just as well, I just wanted to echo your same concerns on crossing anytime there's a multi lane Rd. in this case a four or five 00:05:31
lane Rd. I even tell my kids this like if someone stops and waves you on like it's still scary because you don't know if the other 00:05:38
lane is going to stop, right. So that is that is a challenge there for sure and I think anything we can do to make that safe as 00:05:46
soon as possible. I mean it it's a it's an improvement and but it can always be better. 00:05:53
Especially as school starts up. So yeah, I echo the same concern. The scenes got an update I assume on when that's. 00:06:01
So I'm assuming that there were other works director, excuse me. So the flashing lights, they're called RFPs for the Rectangular 00:06:09
Rapid Flashing Beacons. No different than the Hawks. The Hawks are the high intensity lights that go easy overhead. They've been 00:06:15
ordered with a company. 00:06:20
They'll also include we've discussed they'll also include integrated St. lighting as well, because it shows up not just not just a 00:06:28
plastic light, but illuminating the whole area. 00:06:35
Especially at night, drastically increases driver awareness and safety as well. So we've worked with the company and our 00:06:42
contractor to get those things ordered and have them installed. We expect to get all these things installed shortly before around. 00:06:51
This school time, in regards to, excuse me, in regards to Main Street and Vineyard Loop Rd. also 600 N right by Penny Springs 00:07:02
Park, we submitted those designs to a contractor in terms of constructing a. 00:07:09
Protected Protestant refuge very similar to what was on Sarah St. 00:07:18
Also to utilize the same type of principle as well. And then we're also providing that same design to another contractor for 00:07:26
pricing, so we can get that implemented. We don't testify that to be done before the school year, but and that's also our 00:07:32
transportation master plan consultant. 00:07:38
We're discussing with them in terms of. 00:07:46
Excuse me. Adding adding that type of feature to ensure that those things are being integrated into our transportation Master plan 00:07:49
as well. So any domino effects after those things are placed in are being considered. So we're not creating a unsafe situation for 00:07:57
cars and pedestrians together. Great. Thanks, Missy. 00:08:04
Any other public comments? 00:08:14
All right, seeing as there are none, we'll move right into the business items, into 3.1, the zoning text amendment for 15 point, 00:08:16
12.060, the dimensional standards table. 00:08:21
All right. So yeah, we'll just do a quick refresher. This was an item that was on Planning Commission two weeks ago. It was 00:08:29
continued with some requests to see some view sheds of this area and the applicant is here and they have provided that. So I have 00:08:36
that. Further on this, just as a quick refresher, this is the applicant initiated zoning text amendment to increase the building 00:08:42
height in the RMU from 60 to 70 feet. 00:08:48
There are currently the in yellow. Those are the only two undeveloped parcels in in this area. 00:08:56
And however, this would also apply for any future redevelopment. 00:09:02
So there's the zoning text change. 00:09:07
OK, so if the applicant if you want to go up and you can maybe explain some of these. 00:09:11
Images, yeah, to help everybody understand. So they, they went out with some balloons, some at 60 and some at 70 feet in the air 00:09:17
to kind of show you the difference. And so that's going to be on the next few slides. I have those images. If you wanna maybe 00:09:25
explain this one a little more in detail, that would be great. Matt Brown with MW Brown Engineering. Basically what I did was try 00:09:32
to give a representation of if somebody was standing at the sidewalk at these three locations. 00:09:40
Three is in front of the Planning building, the HOA building or the Homeowners Association Building to Center St. and then the 00:09:48
apartments. One is the apartments to the north. 00:09:54
I just made a simple analysis saying that everything was flat and in the diagrams you can sort of see the the angles. 00:10:01
One is that 60 feet, the other is at the sight line at 70 feet. Could you also point out on this map where you put those balloons, 00:10:11
so as I show those the middle building in the middle building? 00:10:17
So basically, you know, attempts about a little over 11,000 feet in elevation. We're at 45150 at this location. The first two 00:10:26
sections you'd have temp would have to be 13,000. The middle section that it'd have to be a 13th over 13,000 feet to even see it 00:10:34
over the top of the building at 60 feet. 00:10:42
So that's the only one is Section 3 that you can see if it was constructed at 70 feet, so. 00:10:51
The developer went took some pictures of some balloons, sort of showing, you know what what it would look like from the different 00:11:05
standpoint and. 00:11:09
You know, the top balloon, 70 top yellow and 60 top green is 70. And this looks like it's taken from the planning building there. 00:11:14
Yeah, it's in front of the planning building. 00:11:21
That's it. I think it's Center St. there. 00:11:32
I think the wind was blowing a little bit on that one. 00:11:36
So, so you know, as you can see I mean. 00:11:40
The There's not really much difference between 60 and 70 feet. 00:11:44
The view to the east depending on where you're at is going to be blocked. You know there will be corridors through the design but 00:11:50
you know as you as a further develops to the to the South, you know you'll have actually buildings closer to the street at that 00:11:57
location. This is just a video driving up up the Rd. Mill Rd. there sort of show that you know as you're driving and and the 00:12:05
different videos. 00:12:12
You know, you basically don't see the mountains just because of the structures that have already been. 00:12:20
Constructed in your zoning ordinance, you know, the idea is to to build this corridor down there that you know, gets the 00:12:26
businesses that as close to the street as possible. So it seems like you know the height restriction. 00:12:33
You know, it's a little bit contradictory to it because it's if you move the buildings closer, your view is even more. 00:12:40
Obscured. You know if you get on the other side of the tracks, you know the existing structures. Apartments are most likely even 00:12:48
in a. You won't even probably see the tops of these, the 70 foot building from over at the ball diamonds you know on this side of 00:12:55
the tracks because of the existing structures that are there. So. 00:13:02
Cool. Do you guys have any questions for him? 00:13:10
Thank you for providing. Yeah, thank you so much. 00:13:14
No questions for you. I do have questions for staff on some of the language. So cash you mentioned that. 00:13:19
As proposed, this would also apply to any redevelopment. However, it looks to me like there's that green text on the page about 00:13:26
additional standards and there's #8 that's added that says a building height not exceeding 70 feet measured from top of back curve 00:13:32
to the highest point of the building or structure may be permitted. This height allowance will be limited to lots one and two of 00:13:39
the Mill Rd. East subdivision flat B. So, and this is what I was kind of hoping for, where we could narrow the location so that it 00:13:45
wasn't just. 00:13:52
An entire rezone for the whole RMU? Can you help clarify? 00:13:58
What exactly is being proposed here? Because the way I'm reading this is that it would not necessarily go into effect for all 00:14:05
future redevelopment. Let me pull that up for real quick. 00:14:09
And then it would be isolated to just these. 00:14:15
That Plan B? Lots one and two. 00:14:18
And while he's pulling it up, that was my primary concern last time is. 00:14:36
It's just a public base map, Maybe we could highlight. 00:15:17
Yeah, I mean this right here shows it like. 00:15:20
MMM. 00:15:25
Is there a reason why we would want it on one and two instead of just one? 00:15:29
That that would be up to the the Planning Commission the the applicant has requested that that we not limit it to further on that 00:15:34
side, but that would be to to that property itself. 00:15:41
So there was some discussion about limiting it to limit limiting it to just commercial buildings, the height allowance. 00:15:50
And so that that's a conversation you to have, you know tonight if you, if you want to further restrict it right now it restricts 00:15:58
it to those two parcels if you click on those or you just kind of use your cursor to show that one and the one right below. And 00:16:03
for reference which one is lot 1 to the north, North lot? 00:16:09
I believe studying in political county map, yeah. 00:16:15
How far from the residential units are these buildings set back? 00:16:29
Because we're looking at multi story buildings, looking into people's houses and I take huge issue with this. Yeah, we we can pull 00:16:35
a dimension line. So the ones that I mean across the street, I mean you have a really healthy distance. So the Mill Rd. is, is 00:16:42
very wide and so there's quite a bit but if you're talking about two the edge homes, yeah then that that'll be a little closer. 00:16:50
You still do have some distance because you have a portion of the parking lot. 00:16:57
So there is just some buffer that's just kind of you know, built into into baking the cake, you know, having the, the parking lots 00:17:05
and the landscaping kind of kind of pushed back. But we we can pull some dimension lines for you. So you want to give me a minute, 00:17:11
I can do that piece. Yeah. And this gives you an idea of the building location. No site plan has been approved yet for this. And 00:17:17
so this is preliminary. This is what they would like to do in that Northern lot. So you do have. Yeah, I don't Morgan can put the 00:17:23
statistics here. 00:17:29
To show what they are proposing in the in a future site plan application. 00:17:36
About 80 feet is what they're saying would be the distance between the property line and that the building too. 00:17:41
So sorry, so you're saying 80 feet to the property line? 00:17:57
So the property line, OK. And I can give you the number from the property line to the existing channels about 25 feet. Yeah, those 00:18:00
are really tall buildings, incredibly close to front doors. I. 00:18:06
That's a huge problem for me. From what I'm measuring is 28 and it looks like there's a pop out that comes a little bit closer. 00:18:13
I'm on. 00:18:17
So 28 looks like an average. 00:18:23
And then you have 25 feet, so 2528 the the the building faces undulate back and forth. 00:18:26
So that would be, you know, over 100 feet. 00:18:34
We don't have to open up a public hearing. 00:18:37
You guys want to come up to the microphone? You can. 00:18:50
So just so that. 00:18:56
You know, you understand the basis of wanting to go higher. 00:18:58
We're we're wanting to have a higher floor to ceiling space in the SO. 00:19:03
Whether you're at 60 feet or 70 feet, the extra 10 feet up above is more for the mechanical and the roof structure and that up 00:19:11
there. So the window elevations are going to be within probably a few feet of each other, whether it's at 60 feet or 70 feet. So 00:19:18
and that those are those three, the two buildings there, those are the ends of the building. So you know most of the windows are 00:19:26
east, West and not looking towards the north, yeah. 00:19:33
And as far as like setbacks and stuff, it's already it's owned how it is like, so whether or not the buildings go in, that's not 00:19:41
in our control right now. So yeah. 00:19:47
So as far as as far as one and two, do you guys have more commercial space plan for lot 1, which is the southernmost lot or is 00:19:56
there a reason why you're wanting to do both, just open up your options or what's the thinking well to keep to keep our options 00:20:03
open, I mean they they may want to put more office buildings back there, but the plan is to put more of a commercial component 00:20:10
down there and something that. 00:20:17
Parkings, you know, would be the issue when we get down to that site and so you end up with a parking structure. 00:20:25
But there's a definite need, I think you need in the city, and I need it around here to get some good Class A office space, which 00:20:32
is what we're trying to bring in on this parcel. The extra floor space is what, you know, the bigger companies are looking for. 00:20:38
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, height, ceiling heights, not building heights. Yeah, I understand that for sure. OK. Did you guys 00:20:45
have any other questions for him? 00:20:52
Or for staff though. 00:20:59
Not like it really matters because the army zone is full with residential, but I think potentially limiting this to 70 feet 00:21:03
maximum for commercial buildings. 00:21:09
Can we change that wording? Is that? 00:21:16
Yeah. If that's a recommendation, then we would pour that to the City Council. And then so you could do that as part of your 00:21:18
motion and then they they they could debate it at the City Council. Yeah, OK. 00:21:24
If there are any questions, does anybody have a motion? 00:21:31
Anymore you said you had some concerns. 00:21:35
I see it all my concerns. I have no control over any of it. 00:21:40
Yeah, so. 00:21:49
You know from a Planning Commission side you're providing the recommendations City Council. So if if if you there are concerns you 00:21:51
can you can put those in your your your motion. 00:21:56
They're also welcome to to to to request you know more information if you'd like. So I mean it's it's it's up to you. But we do 00:22:03
need to as this is our second meeting we we need to kind of start taking steps forward. So if there's like a a view line that 00:22:09
you're concerned about from the North side, you can you you could request. 00:22:16
That they provide you know a view perspective from you know the the townhomes on the on the north. You know you could just request 00:22:23
that they you know that that that is a concern that they consider. 00:22:29
I mean, a lot of it's just they're they're gonna be windows in this office space, and there are people's private residences right 00:22:38
there that people they don't know will be able to look right into. And what if they want to have their windows open like that, but 00:22:44
then they risk their privacy being invaded so succinctly by a commercial building? 00:22:50
This is all I'm just generally upset by it. And then we want to make it bigger. Like I'm going to, I'm going to hear from a lot of 00:22:58
people about this and. 00:23:03
I. 00:23:10
Don't know what else I can say. 00:23:12
But I was honestly hoping that this is for the northernmost parcel because I would have been like, yeah, two thumbs up sounds 00:23:15
great. 00:23:18
Because it's away from residents, it's not. 00:23:23
Right where people are going to be walking and playing and ripping, yeah. 00:23:27
But here we are. 00:23:32
And you know, you brought up a good point too, where I think you acknowledge that how it's currently zoned. 00:23:36
Has did consider, but I I do I do understand your your your concerns. So it just brings back to a neighborhood they lived by an 00:24:14
American fork and it was unfortunately next to the hospital property and they felt this size of a building about 60 feet, 70 feet 00:24:21
from the property lines. But you that's all you can see. 00:24:29
You go in the neighborhood. That's all you can see. 00:24:38
And that was deeply upsetting to everybody. 00:24:41
Around the whole hospital complex but like. 00:24:44
There was not a whole lot of. 00:24:49
Things we could do about it, right? 00:24:51
The one thing I Polish abuse is is an office building. So nowadays we can. 00:24:58
5 Apologies Now you'll have to. You can even talk into this one if you want, but we don't. We don't get anything on the recording. 00:25:04
It's not. 00:25:07
I. 00:25:12
I was saying that being the proposed use that we're bringing in is an office building. So the hours of operation are are more in 00:25:16
line with the hours that the residents there are going to work, going to school during the holidays, weekends. You know there 00:25:25
won't be many people in these buildings. And so that's actually a benefit for the type of use that we're proposing there. 00:25:34
But then also this uses granted. 00:25:44
I mean when the zone was created, these are the things that the city wanted in this parcel and put in. So the city previously made 00:25:48
the decision to put these type of uses next to to the townhomes there. So if you go back far enough, we wanted businesses with 00:25:56
residents on top. But again, here we are and I can work for them. 00:26:05
Yeah, I know. 00:26:16
I am voice my displeasure, but I I know this is before my time and I can be angry about it. 00:26:17
No, that's fine. We we definitely respect your your opinion and however however you guys want to to to move forward. It is up to 00:26:27
you. I think what we're looking for tonight is if we can I mean you're you're able to to continue if you want to. I'd be very 00:26:36
specific if you want something to if you want like a diagram or something but you know we would recommend that you move it forward 00:26:44
to the City Council and you can have them you know consider specific aspects of the project if if you are what worried about it. 00:26:52
So it's it's up to you however you want to make a motion. Thanks every motion. 00:27:00
Yeah, I'm comfortable making a motion and I hope everyone feels comfortable voting for or against it. 00:27:07
Wherever they stand. So I moved to recommend approval of Ordinance 2023-26 with the following conditions that it's limited to just 00:27:14
commercial space, and only on lots one and two of Plat B, nowhere else in the RMU. 00:27:23
Do I have a second? 00:27:33
So we'll we'll need a second on the motion guys. 00:27:39
All right, great. Then So this is roll call, right? Yeah, you'll have to do a roll call. 00:27:42
Commercial handoff, yeah. So office would to clarify office countless commercial, right. So it's basically can I say non 00:27:50
residential, would that be right as a clarifier you feel comfortable with that? Yeah, I know that there are some people that 00:27:57
wanted to make public comment as well, but I know we closed the public hearing last time so, so technically we did close the 00:28:04
public hearing with the in the last meeting. 00:28:11
I'll allow some public comments for some questions and stuff if you want to make them brief. I assume, Daria, that you have some. 00:28:19
We now we do need AI, don't know if someone seconded. If we did have a second, do we need to? OK, you do have a second. Typically 00:28:26
that's done before, but if you want I'd make it pretty brief cuz you do wanna once you make a motion you wanna make a decision on 00:28:32
it, so. 00:28:38
You could have people coming. OK, if you can make it real quick. Thanks. 00:28:46
I just, oh, Daria Evans. 00:28:52
I just have one question about how you're going to enter those buildings from the road, what roads, where are the entrances going 00:28:54
to be? So, so with all that, that's going to be in the site plans when they come with site plans and we'll talk about all those 00:29:00
details. OK. Thank you very much. 00:29:05
OK. 00:29:13
So we have a motion, Anthony, with a motion Did you want, did you want to? 00:29:14
That amendment. Yeah, as proposed by staff. And we have a second by Graydon and this is roll call, Anthony. Hi, Bryce. I Tay. No 00:29:20
Graydon. All right. And that passes. Yes. That passes 3 to 1. So it'll go to City Council. OK, great. Thank you guys for bringing 00:29:27
the like site, site using stuff that was very helpful. I want the businesses. 00:29:34
I just gotta make a point to City Council here. Yeah, thanks. All right, moving to 3.2, the site plan application for Lake 00:29:42
Promenade. 00:29:47
Yeah. 00:29:54
On this next item, we have Rachel who will provide a presentation and then the applicant and representatives from OJB who are the 00:30:13
landscape architectural firm that designed the promenade will will be here to to provide kind of the more in depth analysis of it. 00:30:19
Thanks Great. 00:30:25
Just trying to get it pulled up. 00:30:33
And Bronson, if you have material and stuff you you you can get up there, maybe just let Rachel go through her presentation and 00:30:44
then you guys can connect in so. 00:30:49
Her cast Could we switch? 00:30:58
These. 00:31:01
Yeah, yeah. 00:31:11
That should work. 00:31:24
Cash, can you come look at this? 00:31:48
I don't know. It's not. This has to be solid. 00:31:59
So it's still just living? 00:32:05
Have you used this before in your laptop? Yeah, I have. 00:32:08
If you want his my laptop I can pull the stack for. 00:32:12
OK, I have a presentation. 00:32:16
Where's it saved under the reports? 00:32:20
Yeah, Commission folder. 00:32:23
There we go. OK, so this is an application from Agboro. 00:33:30
They're all here tonight. We have someone from Flagship Woodbury, and they have their landscape architect OG Bay here. This was 00:33:36
something that the Planning Commission looked at a couple years ago for initial feedback. 00:33:43
Yeah. 00:33:53
So they're here tonight. 00:33:58
We have several conditions of approval. You guys can read through these, but we can go through these more at the end after Bronson 00:34:03
completes his presentation. 00:34:08
So I'll just turn over the time to him to go over all the details or whoever is doing the presentation. Yeah. So here I'll I'll 00:34:16
just say something really quick that we were really happy to have OJB here. We were at City Council a couple weeks ago and the 00:34:23
mysterious voice from Zoom was Sam. So we have him here in person. We're excited to have them here with us and really excited 00:34:29
about the project and excited to to get things rolling, so. 00:34:36
Without further ado. 00:34:44
That's still loading. 00:35:09
Where was this minutes ago? 00:35:19
A couple hours ago. 00:35:22
Need anybody on the same heritage with JB? 00:35:29
So as Marshall mentioned, I'm going to take a few minutes. I'm just going to walk through from a high level kind of the current 00:35:33
design and as well as some of the elements within the park design and Promenade design, so. 00:35:39
So is Rachel highlighted? The problem itself is broken into six blocks. It's highlighted on the diagram above, starting with the 00:35:48
transportation and running east to West towards the lake in the lakefront. Each block is unique in character. 00:35:55
Intent to We'll go through some of the design behind each of those. 00:36:03
Here's the size of each one. 00:36:11
Block one on the east, it's called the Transit Plaza. Just under 2 acres 1.7, two in size. Market Square streetscape is just an 00:36:13
acre in length and size. Pacific Square Lot 3 just under an acre as well. The Greenway, a little bit larger. Block 4, just over 2 00:36:20
1/2 acres. 00:36:26
Block 5 is the the largest of the Six Blocks Civic Park, just under 5 acres. 00:36:34
Inclusive sub elements, including a community pool which would be something each pack. 00:36:43
Block 6, The waterfront park just over 4 and a quarter acres adjacent to. 00:36:49
So what I want to do is just walk through each block, talk about the design tent, as well as kind of talk about some of the 00:36:58
programmatic elements. 00:37:01
So is there, this is the transit Plaza part, block 1 dividing kind of direct connection to the transportation itself that's 00:37:05
currently there. It will be a little bit more urbane in character with buildings on either side both North and South. Part of the 00:37:14
idea is to bring pedestrians through the space so you can see the flowing meandering pathway network carved out by planting 00:37:22
elements of the kiosks, potential water feature there, lawn areas and a plane of opportunities for CD and variety of uses. 00:37:30
We've highlighted certain locations that we think that would be viable for furniture layout. They're highlighted kind of the Navy 00:37:39
blue color. And then we've also kind of highlighted potential locations where we think waste receptacles management opportunities 00:37:44
for the spaces. 00:37:49
Sam, while we're on this block, can we talk a little bit? This was brought up in kind of previous meetings. 00:37:55
About when you get off the train station, you're walking W you have essentially like that building right there. So I mean I think 00:38:00
the concern was creating kind of that sense of of arrival whereas like just because it's kind of a weird offset you're, it's not 00:38:06
like you're arriving in the Plaza, you have to walk over to it. Yeah. Can you kind of explain maybe how you maintain kind of that 00:38:12
sense of arrival? 00:38:18
With that, I don't know just kind of how how that environment is as you first come off before you you reach out. 00:38:25
And if you could even with the cursor maybe on that previous one just show like sure where where are they getting off the train. I 00:39:16
know there's there's a South and a N exit of. So right now on the Instagram we're just showing the Northern, but coming off there 00:39:21
would be a platform and then there's a pedestrian pathway that kind of runs NS parallel and then you would basically come off and 00:39:27
you would walk N open to the space. 00:39:33
You mentioned kiosks. What type of kiosks did you have in mind? 00:39:40
And so we'll have a few more slides. Right now, it's a trellis, an overhead structure, movable seating underneath. And then 00:39:44
there's also potential for a future restaurant or a restaurant or food and beverage element, which is the highest #30 there, so. 00:39:52
So just out of curiosity, what are the plans for that building where you step off the station and have that building right there? 00:40:00
What what are? 00:40:04
Your hopes for I mean, yeah. 00:40:08
Into the mic more so. We haven't designed that building yet, but. 00:40:13
It'll be mixed-use. It'll be likely retail along the bottom, possibly residential or office above that. And so part of the idea of 00:40:20
this is we want this Plaza to engage those buildings. So that first story retail, what OJB showing here that #27 and then some of 00:40:27
these like darker shaded areas you're living mouse here. 00:40:35
These are areas where we we are looking to whatever these buildings end up being when they're designed. The idea is that they 00:40:44
would spill out into the Plaza and engage with the Plaza. But we also realize a large function of this Plaza is flow through 00:40:51
people going up to the station from from the downtown area coming up the promenade to the station coming out of the station into 00:40:59
the residences or office spaces. So we we're kind of. 00:41:06
And I love the idea that like where you can actually wait near the train, like right next to the entrance of the train. Is there a 00:41:46
reason why you guys decided to go this direction? No, I think that's still, that's still the idea like this. This corner building 00:41:52
here would have that opportunity almost like a. 00:41:57
You know, like a train station function of people either waiting at the in the lower level of this building, it just hasn't been 00:42:04
designed yet It'll it'll come later, but that's still the idea. The parking structure, the large parking structure is just South 00:42:10
of these kind of three buildings that you're seeing. I was talking to Morgan earlier. We've kind of looked at those. The edge of 00:42:16
that parking structure is like doing some kind of mural. So that would be like this real big. I've arrived at that Utah State a 00:42:21
year. 00:42:27
That, yeah, that that would be awesome. 00:42:34
Utah City Avengers So. 00:42:38
Yet an amenity like this that maybe even had a board inside that says you know northbound 5 minutes, southbound 20 minutes, like 00:43:13
you know I I think that dispute that helped create that that that those amenities especially if we want our residents to take 00:43:20
transit, you know providing kind of just that those extra level of amenities is going to make it a much more like quality 00:43:26
experience. And then I I guess another question I have right there is. 00:43:33
Is this a road? Then right here, that's the regional trail. That's the trail. OK, so there are no roads between. OK, cool. 00:43:41
Perfect. 00:43:45
So just to maybe clarify a couple things, my name is Jared Boss. I work with Sam with OJB. As we look at the greater context of 00:43:50
the area, I know we're looking at the Promenade right now and at the Transit Plaza, one of the things that we have talked about as 00:43:58
we've looked at the architecture and then as we think of the greater team, there are a couple of things that come to mind. One is 00:44:05
we do have the the north-south Path, so that will connect through the Greater Vineyard project. 00:44:12
We are at the North End of the train station here. As we've looked at the architecture for these areas, these lower areas are 00:44:20
anticipated as retail areas. We are also in the process of bringing on a branding, A branding and a wayfinding consultant as well. 00:44:27
So we've talked about ideas of how do we engage people when people are using some of these retail spaces or if they're sitting by 00:44:34
the fountain, how would we, how would we notify them and and. 00:44:41
The train will be here in 5 minutes or something like that, so that there is this procession, there is this pathway. So I think as 00:44:50
we continue to move forward with the architecture, an opportunity on the side of the garage as we see that north-south path begin 00:44:57
to develop, I think we'll start to see plantings, trees, some lighting elements and some of that way finding that takes you 00:45:05
through as a greater idea and we'll show this through the slides. 00:45:12
The the real idea and and this is not an uncommon term as we look in other cities is it's really kind of this court ashore or from 00:45:20
the transit rail connection to to the lakefront. So we're very interested in connecting pedestrians all the way down this 00:45:27
alignment and Bronson Anthony. 00:45:34
Is Anthony Fletcher. 00:45:43
I was gonna say are Anthony, but you're our Anthony as well. Employee Anthony Planner. Anthony, you're a planner too, so this is 00:45:45
gonna be hard. 00:45:48
But Anthony's working on a master wayfinding signage for the city. And so as you work on your wayfinding signage, if we could kind 00:45:54
of marry those two and so if maybe if you have a group that's working on pull, pull, Anthony in all those meetings, so great, 00:46:01
Thank you. I do also just something to point out that I like is having the garage space closer to the transit is a good thing? I 00:46:07
mean it's somebody I know somebody commented previously. 00:46:14
That they wished that for those that have a handicap or something that they were closer and it is a good thing that the parking 00:46:21
dodge is closer and you want you don't want the parking garage to be there and then nothing. So it doesn't make sense. 00:46:27
And like to that point that that structure we anticipate that UTA would have. 00:46:34
A lot of stalls in there and there would be ADA stalls in there. So essentially we are getting those accessible stalls as close as 00:46:40
possible to the station. Perfect. Cool. 00:46:45
Just going to go through a few renderings, then we'll go to block 2. 00:46:56
Some imagery of what the water feature could be. 00:47:01
Block 2, Market Square. So as you head east from the transit Plaza towards the lake, the idea here is it once again, it's kind of 00:47:08
a continuation of a flow as you're heading through the open space, very much kind of a retail oriented space with walkways, lots 00:47:15
of seating. Part of the idea is to kind of work with the tree layout and have some potentially some sort of overhead element that 00:47:23
kind of sets the tone and the character space pedestrianize the scale of it. 00:47:30
Once again, the idea is also to carry through kind of the paving materiality to start to kind of link these spaces together. So 00:47:38
here's a few views of ideas of what the space could feel like. 00:47:43
And then moving to Block 3 Civic Square. 00:47:50
So it's where the space starts to open up. Starting on the eastern side, there's this opportunity for kind of an art element or 00:47:53
some sort of kind of visual kind of terminus as you're coming in into the promenade area that is almost that moment, right? A 00:47:58
visual moment as you're coming through. And what the idea is, it would open up to green space in the center, pedestrian circuit 00:48:03
circulation around the perimeter. And as you head to the West, it opens up to another Plaza space that starts to kind of marry up 00:48:09
to the streetscape. 00:48:14
In this rectangle, that's already, that's what you see has already occurred, yeah? 00:48:22
So driving into the downtown, this is the first feature you hit. Yeah. So when you when you cross on Main Street, you cross 800 N 00:48:31
This is 2 blocks up from 800 N. 00:48:36
So be looking east. 00:48:48
And you'll you'll see too. In here we have this, this. 00:48:53
Artwork you see in here, it's just placeholder stuff. This is not actually what's commissioned to go in. These are just. 00:48:56
A representation of some kind of sculpture or artwork that would be going in there. 00:49:04
With shade trees spread throughout, maybe some low slungs, you know, Charlotte. Additional trail structures where you can sit 00:50:14
down, have a couple you know, pick a table, grab a drink, you know, eat something along those lines. 00:50:19
So it's the view looking West. 00:50:28
Once again, architecture, these elements are very much conceptual. We actually have a little bit more development information on 00:50:31
some of the trauses to share. You can get an idea of kind of some of these spaces and see the water features on the bottom of the 00:50:36
screen, you know, gravel, quartz with a kind of a variety of elements. You can see the lawn spaces. That is one question I want to 00:50:40
bring up about just the. 00:50:45
Conceptual idea of this with this being a site plan, I mean there's no shortage of details in the 200 pages that are in there, 00:50:50
but. 00:50:53
I'm not comfortable with the IT could look like this versus it will you know, since we're in the site plan phase. So can you take 00:50:59
me through some of that cuz making a recommendation or approving something and being like well, I hope it looks like this, you 00:51:05
know, that's I'm uncomfortable with that. Yeah. So I guess part of that the context of that is. 00:51:11
This is this exactly what you're seeing today? 00:51:19
Is what we're proposing to build these architectural elements. We'll have to bring in an architect to develop this restaurant area 00:51:22
here in the middle. 00:51:26
This this structure, I would imagine you're going to see some architectural components. 00:51:33
In some of the other blocks that we are, we're moving forward quicker to construction because we don't have buildings on either 00:51:40
side designed yet. We're we're holding off on construction on this block, but we do want to come through and get this. You know 00:51:47
this is a lot more detail than when I brought it through before and so you know as as we move forward. 00:51:55
Will continue to develop these out and so where Sam is saying it could be this, this is this is what? 00:52:02
We as a developer like committed to build today. 00:52:10
If we move it into construction, if we change anything, we'll bring it back in for a a site plan amendment. 00:52:14
So. 00:52:22
Yeah, I guess that that would be the clarification on it could be this, it could be that we're we're holding off on construction 00:52:24
drawings on this block and the other blocks that don't have buildings designed yet, but on Block 5. 00:52:31
And we probably would get into this later, but I'll just say it now we're we OJB has provided a early release set that we'll be 00:52:39
submitting into engineering as soon as we're through the site plan approval and we'll we'll start work as soon as we can. 00:52:47
Get through engineering. 00:52:55
Construction drawings get those approved, we'll bring in a contractor. So we are anticipating starting construction like later 00:52:58
this year on the next block from here. 00:53:03
So hopefully, hopefully that helps. Social media versus reality pictures, you know, like your advertised hamburger versus what 00:53:08
came in the bag. No, I don't want it to be a stark difference broth and I think you guys mentioned this before. The idea is though 00:53:14
that you will always have a sidewalk or a trail through the promenade, even the sections that aren't completed to provide a 00:53:19
connection. But I think that was the. 00:53:25
Yeah, that's discussed in the past, but I think we should probably try to do that even from that building other blocks at least 00:53:31
get a pathway through so that there's a, yeah, there's some cohesiveness. I don't know if they if they come in like two or three 00:53:37
years down the road, you're going to have this big gap, so. 00:53:43
I don't want to address that, but that's kind of like in the past and. 00:53:50
So maybe to clarify a little bit on this, so would we say it may look like this, we think the way the plan is laid out, this is 00:53:56
pretty close to the configuration and later on in the presentation as we've looked at the entire promenade for all six blocks. 00:54:06
And Bronson indicated that we are further along for Block 5 we're going to show in this presentation. 00:54:18
What the architecture will look like in terms of the pavilions, shade structures, restroom structure. We'll also be looking at 00:54:25
materiality, so hardscape materials, the development of some of the details for the project. So, so that initial design effort for 00:54:33
Block 5 definitely informs all of the other blocks. So that materiality will carry through all six blocks. Now when he says we're 00:54:41
not exactly sure on the architecture here. 00:54:49
We think it's going to be in the same family. It may shift a little bit, it may get a little bit bigger or a little bit smaller. 00:54:57
But we definitely think these are all of the, these are all of the areas laid out in the plants, if that helps. 00:55:05
Yep, it's. 00:55:13
We still have quite a few more slides. 00:55:18
And I guess what I was, yeah, noting is just the rendering to the plan view. We have kind of a more, you know, we have kind of a 00:55:23
lot more information on those Trellises that we're going to be sharing, so. 00:55:27
So we'll go through the news. 00:55:32
If you're looking east. 00:55:38
So getting to block 5 Pacific Park. 00:55:42
Really kind of programmatically it's, it's centered around kind of a larger event lawn. We have a really robust play area with a 00:55:45
restroom included as well as sport courts. In addition on the on the perimeter we have additional trellises for family seating, 00:55:53
picnic areas, a fire pit in addition to kind of a multi functional spaces on the southern half of the park edge throughout there. 00:56:01
So you looking to the east? 00:56:12
Really quick first for context on that. Sorry, go ahead. Let's go to that one again. This is blocks five and six in context. So 00:56:16
those are the actual architectural buildings that are under construction now. Colors might change though. Colors are those are the 00:56:24
right colors. I'm talking about these buildings, these buildings back here. This is Block 6 and block 5. 00:56:33
And which Rd. is that? Oops, sorry, go backwards. That's been your connector. Yeah, that's been your connector fully built out. 00:56:48
They're only building the Western 2 wings. 00:56:53
An aerial view of the play area, a variety of different play elements. So we have you're showing here play tower slides. 00:57:04
Scrambles the walkway. You can see the restroom in the center. It's kind of serving as the gateway in the portal into the play 00:57:13
area as well. 00:57:17
Let's be looking down South, Opportunities for kids to run up and down the hillside scrambles. Slides. 00:57:25
The view N looking S back towards the play area, you see the sport court on the right side really kind of anticipating kind of a 00:57:36
free flow of of use in the space. So you know, seeing elements spread and these grapple cords allowing, you know, use to to kind 00:57:41
of flow through space into the event wall on her back now. 00:57:47
That whether it's private or public, that's still being worked out. And I wish it had already been worked out. But there's just a 00:58:24
lot of back and forth and it's a lot more complex than what a public or private maintenance of it. There's no question that these 00:58:31
will be, they'll be open to the public, right. Right. Yeah. These are open to the public, yes. And then yeah, as far as 00:58:37
maintenance goes, still working that out on. 00:58:43
On what that will be? 00:58:51
So this is the, the overpass connecting blocks 5:00 and 6:00. This is the vineyard connectors below. Really the idea is on the 00:59:00
northern side is to really kind of carve out a very much pedestrian friendly area with kind of a wider, wider promenade. The 00:59:06
overall roadway width, you can see there's about 70 feet. And so there's a good section of this that provides seating, enhanced 00:59:11
paving. There's going to be overhead elements that serve as kind of a portal and kind of a visual element and a queue to highlight 00:59:17
the space and also kind of. 00:59:22
Allow folks to go through. 00:59:28
Quick question on SO this is showing pictures of the Vineyard connector fully built out. Do you have any idea when that would be 00:59:32
or are we just gonna have a row of weeds on the entire way. Yeah well and I think they're you guys are kind of addressing some of 00:59:40
that at least right initially by the promenade and so you can see some of the plantings as it slows down but yeah we would have to 00:59:47
work with with with U dot on that with all with all the right of ways they. 00:59:55
They do very minimal landscaping. And so anything above is is a is a thing the city has to take on. So yeah, but we are working 01:00:03
on, I don't know, actually have some problems. So yeah. 01:00:11
Yeah, we're currently working with U dot, the aesthetics committee specifically so. 01:00:18
Fibro and OJB and the city submitted package to recently and they're reviewing it and providing us comments and so we're waiting 01:00:27
for their official comments back. The expectation on the embankments on the side of the on each side is to be landscaped and you 01:00:36
know you know it does provide a fair standard minimum standard and however they're willing to work with the city in terms of. 01:00:46
Allow for those upgrades on there. And then of course the maintenance of such would just be an agreement between the DLT and 01:00:55
Veneer City. Cool. Yeah. I just hate to have this like beautiful park on both sides and beautiful landscaping and then just like 01:01:01
this strip of not maintained anything. 01:01:07
I'm sure you guys feel the same way. 01:01:15
Some of you here, you can get a good, good look. This is north looking South. So the idea is, you know, really kind of, you know, 01:01:20
kind of creating a very much pedestrian scale space that's safe, welcoming, very much a linkage between blocks five and six. And 01:01:27
as I noted before, you can kind of see in the renderings here some of the overhead elements, both kind of as a visual cue both for 01:01:33
motorists on the roadway as well as kind of something that's skilled for people to see visually as they're walking through. 01:01:40
I had a question. 01:01:51
I have a question about landscaping and how has it if at all, changed throughout the years as far as your planning and what? 01:01:53
You know, what are we doing as far as water conservation? 01:02:06
So just in general, just talking about how we're planting landscape plans. So you know, I think in general, right we're, we're 01:02:12
planning that this these parks would be irrigated, but part of kind of irrigation systems nowadays very much managed by 01:02:18
controllers in tune with kind of the weather conditions, you know high efficiency systems whether it's drip irrigation, limiting 01:02:25
spray irrigation where it's very, you know typically more more seen nowadays as race school, right. So I think that's, that's 1/2 01:02:31
the other half is. 01:02:37
Really kind of focus on planting ballots that are really much adapted and you know, kind of native to this area and really kind of 01:02:43
you know over time they've, you know, developed the right to to thrive in this area. So I think kind of really being smart and 01:02:49
respectful, working within the bounds not only that the city has in terms of material selection, but also kind of being smart in 01:02:54
terms of how you lay those out, how you design those, how you coordinate those and and kind of being very cognizant of how that's 01:03:00
that's done. 01:03:05
Great. And at what point are these plans as far as landscaping locked in or are they subject to change maybe in a year or two you 01:03:15
consider oh, let's put rocks here versus? 01:03:21
You know, grass. 01:03:28
Black building permits on them on Xbox. 01:04:02
And last block Waterfront Park which is block 6 out of all the blocks, this has the largest event line as you can see to the 01:04:13
north. The idea is to have an event filling with the restroom here, both supportive of the park this park and block as well as 01:04:19
well as potentially the waterfront flanking the perimeter, we would have a dog park. In addition, you can see the vineyard 01:04:25
connector as it slopes down. 01:04:31
To the right here. In addition, we have kind of a variety of seating areas programmatically you can see in the bottom left hand 01:04:38
corner anticipating that there be volleyball courts or some sort of amenity that kind of starts to have that relationship with the 01:04:44
waterfront trails on there as well. This is where the lakefront townhomes are right now, correct? 01:04:50
Since since we have this plan up I think it it it helps to clarify you you asked about park trends I I would think I. 01:04:58
If we were doing a part 10/15/20 years ago, you would see most of this planted as long. 01:05:06
As lawn and trees. 01:05:13
So one of the things that we have done is of this six blocks along the promenade, this will have probably the largest pavilion. We 01:05:15
anticipate that being able to be programmed for large events where you can have movie on the lawn, maybe there's a performance 01:05:22
that's in that pavilion. So a lot of people we think could be, could gather in this lawn on all of the perimeter and the edges. So 01:05:29
where we have the street trees, we think that's native and adaptive planting that takes place at the base of that. So that's 01:05:35
probably a change. 01:05:42
Typically, we would have done a park strip that we would have mowed that we would have watered every day. And all of these kind of 01:05:49
perimeter edges where we are on the connector. We think that's a lot of native grasses highlighted with plantings. We've had a 01:05:57
couple of meetings with the city as well and we have kind of an initial package where we've mapped out what we think a lot of the 01:06:04
trees are. We've also looked at a planting pallet. We think we have a couple of work sessions with the city. 01:06:12
And that was some of our discussion points on getting to the right varieties and now we're really getting into details, but we 01:06:19
talk about the soils, what are the soils, what are trees that are planted right now in vineyard that have been successful and 01:06:25
trees that the cities having issues with. So those are all things that we want to avoid. So when when you say is is something 01:06:31
fixed, we don't think it's fixed yet. We want to, we want to have a robust discussion with the city and make sure we get those 01:06:37
those things right. 01:06:43
Absolutely. OK, so this is a rendering from the South. Looking to the north, I see the lake in the distance. On the bottom right 01:06:59
hand corner of the image you can see the dog park area. It's the intent behind it is to provide kind of two spaces, some for 01:07:06
larger dogs, some for smaller dogs It'll be. 01:07:13
Secured by a fence. 01:07:20
A gate system for unleashing as well. And then there would be a kind of variety of seating elements nearby as well. 01:07:21
There's another view. 01:07:33
Looking to the north? 01:07:35
See the dog park on the right side, the idea of volleyball or sand sand volleyball quotes on the left. 01:07:38
Rendering of the dog park. 01:07:48
As mentioned before, you know the idea that there be some amenities in there for the dogs to play with. You know, small berms, you 01:07:51
know, maybe tunnels, you know things for them to to run through. Plenty of seating for folks to sit on and watch as well. 01:07:57
So next thing we wanted to go through kind of talk about the architecture and talk about the character that we envision and and 01:08:06
where they're located throughout the six blocks. So starting from the east heading to the West, anticipating A trellis and a 01:08:13
pavilion in the transit Plaza highlighted there in magenta, the two kiosks that we were discussing earlier on Block 4, the 01:08:21
Trellises one, both on the eastern side and the western side, flanking kind of that, that central pavilion. 01:08:28
And then Block 5 that we discussed, there would be a family for four structures. There'd be a larger event pavilion, a restroom. 01:08:36
Smaller houses. 01:08:42
And then on Block 6, there would be the larger event pavilion that you could see on the north half. 01:08:44
So from an architectural character standpoint, we really kind of wanted to take cues from naturalistic elements would that you can 01:08:52
see through here very, very much sculpted in tune kind of with the Utah landscape and some of the elements that you know we've 01:08:59
been showing through the park. So really trying to kind of have the synergy between architecture and landscape. 01:09:06
So wanted to kind of walk through kind of design wise maybe what I'll do is I'm going to skip to the sections and the renderings 01:09:15
to give you an idea. So really the idea is that all these elements start as Jerick alluded to, really start to develop a character 01:09:21
throughout all the blocks, right, and start to set a kind of tone and feel for all the spaces. So really the ideas that we're 01:09:27
looking at is going to like wood, wood canopies, you know, variety of like coverings, whether they're solid or opaque, you know, 01:09:33
allowing shade, variety uses. 01:09:39
And very, very elegant, very simple columns you know, that you know don't take up a lot of space. Allow for a variety of seating 01:09:45
options and movement through the space as well. 01:09:49
And then starting to kind of speak to some of these other blocks, there's so many press see they they they're very much a variety 01:09:57
within the family in terms of sizes, function right intense. So for example in Block 4, the idea is that they would be very much, 01:10:03
you know within the family of that larger architectural element and center. So they'd be very much horizontal. 01:10:10
And even though they may be larger in size, but they're very much diminutive in the fact that they kind of elegantly fit within 01:10:18
the landscape. 01:10:21
I. 01:10:29
And similarly kind of on the block on the western half of Block 4, very much taking kind of similar architecture, character 01:10:33
starting to craft its layout to fit within the landscape space you can see. Starting to play with angles, play with the layout, 01:10:39
but once again playing with that overall character, very, kind of very wood, wood focused canopy on the top, you know, simple 01:10:45
columns, but once again just trying to repeat that character throughout. 01:10:50
Starting to get to Block 5, this is the event, the pavilion on the eastern half. You can kind of see how that the architecture 01:11:10
once again is the language repeats, but very much started to be crafted kind of fit within the context of the space. This one very 01:11:17
much is opening up to the lawn area with the intent that it's kind of supportive of any programmatic elements whether it's it's 01:11:24
larger events, smaller events with underneath the canopy, but very much kind of a tone setting but flexible space, right? 01:11:30
So we'll get there in a moment. 01:12:17
So I mentioned Block 5 has the restroom. So this is kind of a good idea of kind of the restroom layout very much a very elegant 01:12:19
structure, has kind of restroom supportive of both the play area but the park itself, storage space and then ample coverage over 01:12:26
the top to both kind of allow for picnics, parties, birthday parties, you know, connected. 01:12:33
Starting to step back a little bit talking about these these trolls, secondary trellises very much was intended to be kind of as a 01:12:49
family with the restrooms here. So it is kind of imagine families going to the playground area. You may want to come out, have 01:12:55
birthday parties or picnics or stay a little bit later in the evening. So these trolls are intended to be supportive of of kind of 01:13:01
the playground and family use, whether it's events you know they can stage and set up there as well. 01:13:07
A traditional approval should be that we have only some of those main areas that I'm shaded we we we're going back to Grove Park 01:14:24
at Penny Springs Park. So we have a lot of residents request shade structures. The city's putting up quite a big investment to 01:14:30
have those covered now and so. 01:14:36
Be pushed upon us by the residents. So yeah, and it could even even if it's, I don't want to say temporary, but like canvas shade 01:15:15
structure things just something that once the trees are grown in, I mean you could take it down and then would be fine. But yeah, 01:15:23
like a lot of our park space isn't utilized during the summer because there is no shade which is such a shame. So yeah, sing sing 01:15:31
more any any more say it is a benefit. 01:15:38
So I think, I think one, one of our goals for instance in this area here we've we've focused on water play. So in some of these 01:15:46
renderings we've made the trees a little bit transparent. I think in the playground as we've been talking with the team, we'd like 01:15:53
to use larger trees. So we see this as a little bit of an Oasis. 01:16:00
In the study of the architecture, so the restroom pavilion is about 50% of the size of this canopy. So that canopy extends out and 01:16:09
beyond so that there's seating, seating areas underneath here. We kind of call it like the the mothers or the family area, but 01:16:17
definitely understand the point. We're showing these little areas, these are little play cabins and then underneath the boardwalk, 01:16:26
we have other events that can happen that happen as well for play. So trying to balance those. 01:16:35
Just firm, wide. And as a practice, I like to use natural materials. So mulches. We like to, we're looking to avoid paints and all 01:16:44
of those types of things as well. Yeah. And and as far as the shade stretches from the trees, like, absolutely. It's just when 01:16:52
will they be big enough for that to actually be? It's the first like five years. That's brutal. Yeah, maybe you don't share the 01:16:59
entire thing, but like picking like what? One of those areas. 01:17:06
And and providing some some good like especially the sliding crime climate structure. My my kids won't even touch it if it's gonna 01:17:14
be too hot to touch so if it's just stated. 01:17:20
Isn't that I mean like an inventor drill park during peak hours though like splash area is always busy because you know cold water 01:18:00
but other than that there are times where the rest of like the playground is just kind of vacant when it hits those temperatures 01:18:08
and so anyway, well here's the thought real quick and I'm sure you guys will do your research and find out what cost beneficial, 01:18:15
but you know maybe consider importing or transporting mature trees. 01:18:22
And do it. They can be so that might. 01:18:30
Problem with maturities is they have a very low survival rate. They tend to die pretty quick. 01:18:33
Just because the fruit system gets real upset. 01:18:40
Yeah. 01:18:44
Here's a rendering. 01:19:41
So very much an idea would have covering, there may be an opportunity for as you can see in there skylights to allow for natural 01:19:42
light to come through, but really very much in scale in keeping to allow for kind of larger events potentially. And so you can see 01:19:49
in addition with the solid rooftop plenty of shade anticipated for kind of intermittent use for seating and dying as well. 01:19:56
So this is you looking directly at it from the 1 area. 01:20:08
So next topic I want to go through is kind of overarching material palette. So a lot of this can be on hard skate materials. 01:20:15
So very much in keeping what we just talked about with the architecture, naturalistic materials, very durable, very sturdy. So 01:20:23
concrete where appropriate, concrete unit paving, some of these other kind of secondary seating areas, gravel. 01:20:30
Very much kind of using local stone or kind of regionally sourced stone where appropriate, certain areas as well. 01:20:39
And then obviously kind of talking about the architectural material in more depth, So with sliding wood infill, maybe using glam 01:20:47
for the structures that support it on the hat, very kind of simplistic metal siding, standing seam roofs for the solid elements, 01:20:53
tile interiors, easy to maintain, clean, cleanly looking. 01:20:59
Kind of providing a variety of different textures to sit on, functional uses and as noted, kind of the gravel, seating areas and 01:21:38
once again kind of falling within that earthy, earthy tone, earthy palette. 01:21:43
So starting from from east to West, again, we're just going to walk through the spaces. So very much from from context and 01:21:51
character in the transit Plaza, very much kind of probably predominantly focus on concrete unit paving there. There's bands that 01:21:58
we talked about earlier. It's kind of those wayfinding elements supportive of the space kind of stimulus flowing through different 01:22:04
kind of colors and finishes kind of highlighting that you can see in the center water feature very much a stone element as well. 01:22:11
Real quick, I guess either either slide works, what's the plan to connect, connect them all. Like are you gonna have the road just 01:22:19
like bisect, like coming through it or are you gonna have the stone go through and you have to drive over the stone? Like what's 01:22:25
the plan there as far as? 01:22:31
It's kind of one of those tactile cues that they're in a different space. Is that going to be for all of the transitions or just 01:23:14
this first one just up here between the plus one and two, OK, what's the plan for between block actually between 3:00, between 01:23:21
4:00 and 5:00, between 4:00 and 5:00 also, but I'm I'm kind of concerned about between 2:00 and 3:00 specifically where it's a 01:23:28
square about square about how how that will transition as far as there's. 01:23:35
Right. This is a good one. So you can see all the ramp, the crosswalks and all the ramping that's happening in here. 01:23:43
So we need like the next step of this is to send through alpha to have Alta review this and and weigh in on this. 01:23:49
But those connections are all happening via RAMPS and crosswalks OK and then. 01:24:00
Because right here. 01:24:07
Is the Market Street. 01:24:09
So is there a plan to have like crossing here, some people becoming pretty much from everywhere on that street I would assume? 01:24:13
Or is it just they got to come up and over here to get in or Yep, they would follow those those crap crosswalk paths. Yeah, 01:24:21
similar 12 questions and we can wait till you've got a full one to like load. If you just take it through. Like if I was walking, 01:24:26
how would I go from the train station all the way down to the lake if I wanted to? Or biking, how would I go from the train state? 01:24:32
No. 01:24:38
Yeah, you're supposed to do that right now. 01:24:44
I don't get lots of slides and then probably no, it's all good. We're past halfway, I think. 01:24:47
People can flow from one side to the other. This is. 01:25:37
Essentially, pavers from building phase to building phase. 01:25:41
There will be some great in it but there won't be like a a drop curve lanes and then as we we transition the block, Block 3 as we 01:25:44
just discussed you know the the predominant points of crossing right will be the crosswalks. You know the the curb ramps that are 01:25:52
that are noted both coming from the from the north side down into block 3. And then there's crosswalks set between block 3 and 01:26:00
block 4 and this is where bike lane infrastructure would begin on these. 01:26:08
Streets if someone was comfortable. 01:26:16
The street in between block one and two, Sorry, so I'm like grab this. There is. There's a dedicated bike lane through this area 01:26:20
as well. 01:26:24
So you know, as that comes through the paper area, it'll probably. 01:26:29
This our standard throughout downtown is to do a painted bike lane, a green painted bike lane. But when we come through the 01:26:36
pavers, I'm not sure yet if we're going to use that green stripe or if it will be a different color paper through the bike lane, 01:26:42
but it'll be it'll be denoted through a a material change. 01:26:48
Yeah, and then? 01:26:57
And then they start to open up into lawn areas. And so that gives the opportunity to kind of meander and move through and kind of 01:27:33
have that opportunity to to explore and walk the way you want. But if you're really just trying to go to the waterfront, you have 01:27:38
plenty of access on the perimeter of the park to walk along the streetscape as well. 01:27:43
Where flexibility does open up a little bit is in block 5. You can see my cursor is not helping as much here, but you can see. 01:27:52
Really, once again, the same methodology you open up to a Plaza space, but really getting you're going to need to get to the 01:28:30
southern side right now to crossover Vineyard Connector if you're really trying to get down to the waterfront edge right now. So 01:28:36
very much a setup. There's a variety of spaces, there's open walkways. 01:28:42
To get. 01:28:49
The only cross point across being connected will be the bridge the overpass, yes, other than the three intersections that you 01:28:51
document. 01:28:55
In US N Main St. the North Promenade, and then. 01:29:00
I don't know what we call the N 1 yet, but the north, the north intersection. 01:29:05
All right. Thanks for that. Sure, absolutely. 01:29:11
Foot back. 01:29:16
I guess it's also worth noting that a lot of that traffic is one way, right? Yeah, it's correct. 01:29:18
From the square about down from the square, about all the way down the vineyard connector, those are all just one way streets. 01:29:24
Cool. 01:29:29
Any idea? This is kind of irrelevant. Any idea what the speed limits will be on those roads? 01:29:36
Like 25 whatever the city. 01:29:42
So from a material perspective just kind of reinforcing what we talked about before really kind of on on these blocks east and 01:29:50
western half as you went from block to block having you know a bit of kind of open space for Plaza right here is where you would 01:29:56
have enhanced paving concrete unit favors what we're proposing right here. And then kind of on the East West walkways going to 01:30:01
like a really nicely scored concrete walkway. 01:30:06
Look like again? 01:30:15
The shade discussion if we're doing artificial turf, any kind of shade over artificial surface. 01:30:17
Super beneficial just because it gets hot. Understood. 01:30:24
Moving to block four, really the space opens up, we start on the eastern side, but the Plaza space with the with the Charles 01:30:32
pavilion that we were showing here. 01:30:36
From a materiality perspective, we noted kind of these courtyards, whether it's kind of a water play space, maybe stone paving 01:30:41
through here, decorative gravel for some of the other play elements. Once again it opens up to Lauren space, artificial turf, 01:30:47
right. We're proposing kind of on either side of the pavilion and then as you as you head to the West, really kind of opening up 01:30:53
to more gravel courtyards, not showing the plants here, but trees kind of shading and setting up kind of a Grove type aesthetic as 01:30:59
you go through here and once again. 01:31:05
You get to your western pavilion, the flanks and faces this lawyer as well. 01:31:11
Getting to block 5. 01:31:22
Plaza space on the eastern side enhanced with concrete unit paving. The walkways moving east and West as well as the name 01:31:28
walkways, North and South. Concrete paving really very much flanked by decorative gravel that's open. Allows for the broader uses 01:31:34
to proceed. Elements, fire pits, those kind of things play areas Jerry Could mentioned, you know wood chips in addition to 01:31:41
concrete paving for some of the accessible pathways through there as well. 01:31:47
The Sport Court would be concrete painted. 01:31:55
And then getting to the overpass area. It's intended to be concrete in Favors. 01:31:59
You can see here the walls will be cast in place concrete. 01:32:07
Metal elements. 01:32:10
To the overhead. 01:32:12
And getting to block 6, my hardscape perspective once again very much East, east West scored concrete paving, decorative gravel 01:32:15
for some of the walkways. The manual trials will want to be a connector as well as some of the seating areas, sand for the 01:32:22
volleyball courts and orchestra from the dog park. 01:32:29
So planting design. 01:32:40
From a from a character designed to perspective, the vision really has been, you know, you kind of kind of led us into this 01:32:43
conversation previously. But the idea is native active, ornamental and key areas really focused on kind of naturalistic planting. 01:32:50
One of the new connector for example, where you kind of have drifts of of kind of natives and make that. 01:32:57
You wanna see the full screen? 01:33:04
There you go, do the full one, zoom in a little bit more. But in addition, throughout park want to curate spaces, right And think 01:33:08
about seasonality, flexion through the variety of seasons. So looking for material that has character, you can see exfoliating 01:33:14
bark or ornamental grasses that keep the cups through the winter time. So really kind of starting to think about that character, 01:33:20
both the structured and naturalistic planting. 01:33:26
I've got a question here. We talked about this before. It's still up in negotiation as to who is going to maintain these grounds, 01:33:35
whether it's like an issue or the city. 01:33:39
It's still not confirmed is that the case? And I wonder about these walkways as far as snow removal, is that up to them? Whoever 01:33:45
takes care of it? What will can we expect there? 01:33:51
Yeah. I think, I think the expectation is just a high standard of care. And So what what we're working through is. 01:33:57
Do we set up some kind of foundation that that it's privately maintained through this foundation that gets funding through? 01:34:04
Through the tax in this area. 01:34:13
I mean, it wouldn't be like Flagborough. 01:34:16
Doing it ourselves, we would be hiring somebody to. 01:34:21
Or potentially this foundation would would hire a maintenance company that would take care of it, but the standard would be very 01:34:25
high for maintenance. Same with trash collection and sidewalks and sidewalks, snow removal, landscape care, all that. 01:34:33
So. 01:34:44
So from a planting perspective, just want to start with kind of overarching the tree palette, the idea. So really kind of wanted 01:34:49
to frame this out in different different kind of methodologies. So wanted to focus on street trees. You can kind of see would be 01:34:54
kind of one kind of certain tree types kind of working with the city within their standards on the species that they they 01:34:59
recommend and prefer. 01:35:05
And then obviously the overpass just the unique conditions, there's not structure finding, you know trees that are smaller able to 01:35:45
kind of grow within the conditions there as well. 01:35:49
Really kind of where we're thinking in terms of blocks five and six along the vineyard connector, really kind of shrub steps, 01:36:32
whether it's a seated condition. They're really kind of much more of a naturalistic planting with that kind of ever Evergreen tree 01:36:37
overlay we're discussing. 01:36:41
The dual tree plan. 01:36:53
Sorry I went backwards. So last thing that we want to talk about is kind of wedding my time character. 01:36:55
And then kind of throughout the Promenade, unique conditions, unique locations where there's really opportunities for accent 01:37:35
lighting. So you can kind of see that on the left or the right, Catenary, Festoon lights and maybe some of the seating areas. We 01:37:40
talked about it in Block 2, the Market Square with the overhead elements, really those opportunities in the play area, maybe some 01:37:45
accent lights to some of the structures or within the Charles themselves. 01:37:50
I don't know what's going backwards, sorry about that. So streetscape went to highlight kind of very much kind of a vertical pole, 01:37:58
horizontal light, the height there we're proposing about 20 feet and then typical spacing for those about 90 feet. 01:38:05
Within the park, the down lighting elements, so single pole, multi heads, variety of different directions and alignments about 15 01:38:18
feet height. So really the idea from a character standpoint is higher on the street, really want to step it down to what much more 01:38:23
of a pedestrian scale within the park. 01:38:28
Sorry. 01:38:39
So the one place where we would go a little bit bigger, the larger lawns, block 5, Block 6 to cover light in those lawn areas, we 01:38:42
go with a little tall pole, same methodology as those pedestrian scale poles, single single pole, multiple heads, direction, 01:38:49
directions of light to really kind of flank both the walkways and the lawn areas. 01:38:55
This is a good example, kind of a catenary lights for some of these seating areas. So really once again kind of trying to keep 01:39:44
these scaled down a little bit more to to pedestrian orientation. The the white picture itself about 15 feet in height with the 01:39:49
poles kind of slung off in the distance with cabling holding those up. 01:39:54
And then just kind of a little bit of detail kind of walk through kind of the lighting power of the lighting tent for all these 01:40:05
spaces. So kind of overarching what is described within the Plaza spaces, which you can see in dark blue, lower scaled 1215 foot 01:40:10
poles, directional lights throughout the center. Once you get to the streetscape, you can kind of see in kind of the pain care, 01:40:15
the magenta color really kind of flanking that layout, pedestrian scale, lightweight lighting support some of the Trellises, the 01:40:21
retail elements. 01:40:26
Kind of on block one and then any accent lights for any of those key features that maybe are, you know, kind of a sculpture art 01:40:32
element in there, something to support that as well. 01:40:36
Market Square really the key lighting element is going to be an overhead, right with with kind of tied to the street lights 01:40:47
Shinedown. So really the idea is really to kind of scale the space and really it's brought to you know to kind of promote that 01:40:52
flow both back and forth on the other side of the street. 01:40:57
Service Square. 01:41:06
Kind of in in keeping with what we just discussed in magenta and pink kind of the the roadway scaled lights and as you step into 01:41:09
the park much more pedestrian scale. So stepping that down multi headed directional they're really trying to keep that on the keep 01:41:14
that on the perimeter. 01:41:18
Touch screen, Touch screen. 01:41:24
Sorry. 01:41:29
So part 4, this kind of gets into some more of the event lighting that we were talking. So you can see that orange directional 01:41:35
really trying to be cognizant about how how much we use these, not to overdo it, but really kind of to focus on kind of key key 01:41:42
locations and really highlighting kind of the functional use of the space. Once again, very, very kind of keenly aware of kind of 01:41:48
where you would space the lighting along the pathways really just to highlight the directions of travel to pass the egress. 01:41:54
Some accent or some key unique lights. 01:42:36
So the overhead the vineyard connector. 01:42:45
So really kind of within these overhead elements kind of having these accent lights kind of built within those, very much intended 01:42:50
to light down onto the walkway, be well lit and obviously to that point to really promote pedestrian access and free flow. 01:42:56
And then block six once again, some of the methodologies very much kind of in pink. The streetscape oriented lights very much kind 01:43:05
of in keeping with the rest of the parks and the walkways and the pedestrian areas, the dog park, lower slum, pedestrian scale 01:43:11
like fixtures and an alarm space, larger kind of event lights. 01:43:16
That's, yeah. 01:43:26
For the presentation. 01:43:28
Sorry. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for your patience. 01:43:31
That's not even close to how much material we received. 01:43:38
Did you guys have any questions? 01:43:45
I'm gonna start. 01:43:47
I was going to say like the future pool area that's indicated, is that like water feature or actual pool? 01:43:53
Yeah, that that area we're reserving for like a resort style pool, it would have public access to it. We we aren't far enough 01:44:02
along in design there actually haven't. 01:44:07
We've got schematic design from OJB, but we'll be moving that into more design development, but not far enough long to share, but 01:44:12
we'll bring that back through. 01:44:16
To show that, see what actual intention was. 01:44:21
Sure. 01:44:29
Did you understand? No, go ahead. This is more just me recapping. Some of the thoughts I jotted down as you are going through is 01:44:46
one of just the flow and connectivity of trails and sidewalks which we talked about which I think is important. Also we've got our 01:44:53
bike parking standards which are baked into the code, but we want to make sure that that. 01:44:59
Goes along there because you know, with so many people living near this, you would hope that they're not driving across the street 01:45:06
to go to some of these amenities that it makes it easier for them to use alternative forms of transportation. I love the idea of 01:45:11
the UTA digital boards where people can. 01:45:16
When things are coming out, I think that that would be a pretty unique feel there and I really am supportive of that. 01:45:23
I also like the idea of what you said where if there was anything different than what's proposed tonight that would need a site 01:45:30
plan amendment. I think that's important too, because a lot of, I mean this is these are publicly available in a public meeting 01:45:37
and people will see this and get excited about it. And I think most people would probably say if we got exactly what was shown 01:45:43
here, we'd be excited about it. I think the hesitancy and maybe it's not necessarily due to you 3, but. 01:45:50
We don't always get what is advertised, right. And so I think it's on the public to say, hey, that's not what you showed us in on 01:45:57
staff to watch it like a hawk and all that type of thing. So that's just true for every site plan, but particularly something like 01:46:04
this because I will say I personally think downtown success hinges on this promenade because there are a lot of downtowns and 01:46:11
there are a lot of parks, but I can't think of any place in Utah that has. 01:46:19
Merged them together. 01:46:27
Very well so. 01:46:28
Yeah, people can move to whatever city they want, but I think people will find this unique and something they take pride in if 01:46:31
it's done right. 01:46:36
Following the tree manual and general plan guidelines, I think are always good things to refer to, which it sounds like you're on 01:46:42
board with the stage that Morgan was talking about. Sounds like that's taken care of as well. And then yeah, I agree with any 01:46:48
shade sales around playgrounds or at least one playground in an area to make it more usable. Those are my my key thoughts there. 01:46:54
I thought of another thing that I was thinking about. 01:47:02
On I can't remember which lot where I saw an area indicated as garden. Is that just like a broad general garden or is that like? 01:47:06
Because we're all OK A children's garden, Yeah, that that is maybe just a landscape architecture term, but it's a it's a play 01:47:18
space, like. 01:47:22
Children's garden would be kind of like that, that playground area. OK, cool. I know a big part of our setting, community efforts 01:47:28
are a community garden space. 01:47:33
Had all thought about and our promenade areas we have that has come up before but because of some restrictions from DEQ. 01:47:40
OK, that's fair. We can't find that very much, can we, that that comes into play on this area? 01:47:50
Yeah. 01:47:58
I mean, I just have to ask. 01:48:00
There may be opportunities, you know on on rooftops in the area for garden spaces. 01:48:03
Like you get a lot of people wanting to move there. 01:48:14
Great. And you have anything? 01:48:20
All right. We'll just take a minute. If there are any public comments, I'll write down your questions if you have questions and 01:48:25
make sure that I ask them. But yeah, if you want to just. 01:48:29
Take a minute, Daria. I'm sure. Thank you. Daria Evans, I just have four questions. OK. OK. 01:48:34
Will you have ramps at all your blocks for accessibility or only on block 6? 01:48:43
And on block five I would suggest in all abilities playground. I think that would be a draw because there are children that. 01:48:50
Have issues, you know, disabilities and and we need to include everyone. 01:49:02
The dog park. Is that the only place that dogs will be allowed? Will they be able to access every other area? And if so, then 01:49:09
you'll need to have dog weigh stations. 01:49:14
Because, you know, I don't have a dog, but I could see it happening. 01:49:20
It's nice to see it happening on the trail and then. 01:49:25
I'd like to know if you know how many residential doors are anticipated. I've heard 14 to 16,000 and I want to know if that is a a 01:49:30
good guess. 01:49:35
And that's got it. 01:49:41
Yeah, in the whole in. Well, in this area, yeah, this section, not east of the transit station. So like surrounding the promenade 01:49:45
or surrounding this promenade, surrounding the promenade, you know, north of it. 01:49:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all in their area, the main thoroughfare. OK, then, how long is that? 01:49:59
Whole product is that like 5 miles. 01:50:08
Is it a couple miles? How long is it? 01:50:14
Just three quarters a month from transit to. OK, good to know. Those are my questions. Awesome. Thank you, Daria. Thank you. OK, 01:50:19
any other, any other comments from the public questions? 01:50:25
All right. I guess we'll get into these if one of you guys won't stand for these Rams at all the blocks. So help me remember 01:50:32
these. So I think the first question was ramps it all of the blocks. So one of our major goals was to have accessibility from the 01:50:39
train station all the way down. So we have accessible routes as Sam was saying and as Bronson also indicated where we have each of 01:50:46
the crosswalks, those are accessible areas. So we. 01:50:54
Accessibility is really important. 01:51:02
Second question was have we considered accessibility within the park? So playground code locally, state nationally requires. There 01:51:04
are subtleties between things, but we've considered each of the areas for accessible activities. So whether that's some type of a 01:51:14
transfer or a wheeled access to those park elements, those are all things we have considered and so. 01:51:24
The mulch. 01:51:34
Provides a level of accessibility as well as paths that we're taking to each of these areas. So that's kind of a long, that's kind 01:51:37
of a long winded way of answering the question. 01:51:43
I mean children will be able to get on swings, you know, and be able to have some type of protection. Yeah. And you know, like I 01:51:51
said to us, so you talk you, you talked, you talked about the swings. So there are. 01:51:58
Multiple types of swings and there are multiple types of disability. So some of those swings have a transfer, but there are also 01:52:08
people of certain abilities where you're put into a swing and it has something that that kind of comes around you. So not every 01:52:16
element needs all user abilities, but. 01:52:24
All user abilities have been considered for the children's play area, so that that that sounds like a non answer, but it's 01:52:33
something that we have definitely considered for all of those areas. So wheelchair access is one thing. 01:52:40
So, so we'll so accessibility in general. 01:52:49
Different abilities have been considered, age uses have been considered and then the surfacing has all been kind of considered in 01:52:56
those play areas. 01:53:00
Cool. And then next one was dog parks, right? So we have shown two dog parks. We've shown small dogs, big dogs, because they don't 01:53:05
all get along. 01:53:11
Those dog parks have a fenced area. There's also an unleashing zone, so you come into a gate, you can unleash, open the gate, and 01:53:18
then the dogs can go in. 01:53:23
When you talk about the perimeter buildings, one of the discussions that we've had with Bronson and his team is each of these 01:53:30
different buildings they may or may not have. 01:53:35
Dog facilities associated with them. I actually live in downtown Houston, so in a mid a mid rise building in most of the buildings 01:53:42
that are in my neighborhood when you come outside. 01:53:48
There's just inside of our building. You need to grab a bag or there's a bag on the outside, so that type of thing is being 01:53:57
considered. 01:54:01
I'm not sure what all of the dog rules are, but people will definitely be walking their dogs around all of these areas. 01:54:06
And then there was so another thing. I guess I have a question with a dog. 01:54:15
As well is with the artificial turf areas. 01:54:22
How you keep those clean? Dogs are probably going to poop there and stuff. What are the plans for keeping that clean because with 01:54:27
natural grass? 01:54:31
It goes back to work. I mean, it'll get picked up, but then the remnants kind of go back to where they came. But with artificial 01:54:36
grass, it kind of doesn't do that. So to be addressed on the overall park maintenance under discussion, as Bronson was saying, but 01:54:42
there are accommodations made. 01:54:48
With. With the turf. 01:54:56
And as we get into the final construction documents, we'll definitely have a hose bib potentially even. 01:54:59
Watering so that you can kind of. 01:55:06
Flush, flush, those lawns are those are the artificial turf areas. We say say lots and then she did have a question. It's not 01:55:09
really relevant to this, but I about full build out of residential units. I would defer that to bronze. 01:55:17
DVD we we don't like right adjacent to this we have blocks five and six. Block 5 has 199 units in it. Block 6 is 254. Our next two 01:55:27
buildings will be block 8 and 14 and those are around 250. So those are the the first four buildings that are coming on that are 01:55:36
adjacent to the to the overall but. 01:55:45
Adjacent to the promenade. 01:55:55
Like overall? 01:55:57
We're still working on what those numbers would be, so I don't have an answer yet. Thanks. 01:56:01
Cool. Any other public comments? 01:56:09
I did have a question When we were working on these plans years ago, we did talk about putting in a skate park somewhere. 01:56:12
Yeah, No, I'm glad you brought that up. So I think there's a couple of opportunities. Obviously we haven't shown a skate park in 01:56:22
this promenade, but as we move N up into the Geneva Park area, we've there's two locations up there that we're planning. There's 01:56:29
also a possibility in that space between the Lake Trail and Lakeshore. 01:56:36
We've been in some meetings where that's been discussed to program that area and that could be skate bike park area down there as 01:56:46
well. 01:56:50
And then up to the dog park. 01:56:56
Yeah, Question 2 on buildings five and six that are under construction, there's a dog park associated with building 6. It's a, 01:57:00
it's a grass area just to the South and West of that building. Cool. And then inside those two buildings also there's dog wash 01:57:08
stations. Those are like an amenity that are provided within the for the residents inside the building. Cool. And then I guess 01:57:16
good question you are talking about getting on. 01:57:24
Block 5 or. 01:57:33
On can't remember what numbers they were this year potentially. What's the, what do you think the timeline is for the rest of the, 01:57:36
so we think the duration, how long will it take if we start say October? Yeah, so I guess the timeline for that specific part but 01:57:43
timeline for all of it. 01:57:50
It's all going to be kind of like block 432 and one are all kind of contingent on the buildings that are adjacent to them, more 01:57:58
Block One and two more so because the buildings actually touch the open space. 01:58:06
The Civic Square and the Greenway, there's a street in between, but we really want to know what's happening in those buildings 01:58:14
before we come in and build, not only because of like constructability of like we've got a building under construction. How does 01:58:20
that impact that that space? 01:58:26
We'd rather not build a space and then close it down because we're building next to it, right? If that makes sense, OK. 01:58:33
So if I were to guess right now, we would probably go Block 5 and the bridge or or this package that we're working on right now 01:58:41
and then Block 6 and then Block 4 and then moving toward the the Plaza. But to Morgan's comment earlier like how will we make that 01:58:48
connection to the transit area like as quickly as possible and that's definitely when we, so our first residence will were like 01:58:55
buildings 5:00 and 6:00. 01:59:03
Like a 28 month build. And so we started those last month and so we're we're roughly 2 years away from having residents here. We 01:59:11
want to make sure this park is delivered before then, the community pool is delivered before then and so we'll we'll be back in 01:59:17
with community pool. 01:59:23
And then we we're working through how we make the connection whether temporarily or like permanently to the train station. 01:59:32
OK. From those initial buildings and and this park space, Cool. OK. 01:59:40
Sure you can come up. 01:59:46
It's it's age-old and it's very quick. 01:59:48
Wendy Purrington resident. 01:59:52
Where is the grocery store? 01:59:55
Yeah. 01:59:57
I'm just sitting here looking at it going OK now I know it it was supposed to be somewhere near. 02:00:00
I don't know. I guess Main St. 02:00:04
Do we do we go out from this at all? 02:00:07
So it sits right about here where the arrow is. So Yep. So that's Main Street. And so 800 N is about two blocks away from here. So 02:00:11
you come off of 800 N to one block, and then it's on the block to the left. There's a newly paved road, right? Yep. 02:00:21
And we are working really hard on getting that to this stage where we could come and talk to you about it. 02:00:33
Yes, I'm glad you did. I was expecting it and I was like, yeah, has it come up yet? 02:00:41
Cool. Any other questions? 02:00:48
All right. 02:00:51
So do I have a motion on this and before making a motion I would like somebody to add? 02:00:54
A few conditions that I need to. There's a big list of conditions that I saw. Can you stop sharing on that? 02:01:03
Yes, OK. 02:01:13
I have one, yeah. 02:01:17
Thank you. 02:01:22
Sorry, didn't take me a second to get there. 02:01:24
As he's working on that all, just suggesting to the City Council that there's more shade I think would be. 02:01:27
And this would be a site plan approval. 02:01:35
Oh, so this doesn't go to the City Council? This is all on you, right? 02:01:38
Alright, it should be pulling up here in a second. 02:01:48
How do we make a condition? 02:01:55
So yeah, we do have Rachel should in this presentation has listed out the conditions we've met right before this meeting with the 02:01:57
tree committee, another condition you wanna add to the list. We can type that out right here in this meeting. 02:02:03
And then? 02:02:10
You guys can include them as one big. 02:02:11
Workout. 02:02:15
Yeah, sorry, it's. 02:02:18
Maybe frozen? 02:02:21
I will try this. 02:02:26
Rachel, is this also in the staff report? 02:02:53
The condition no, there were a few added. Hopefully I can get it to pull up. 02:02:56
There we go. 02:03:04
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 02:03:05
Yeah. OK. So I'll just read through these and let me know if you have any questions. 02:03:14
So a waste planning is created by working with city staff. 02:03:22
All trees will be a minimum of 2 inch caliper at the time of franting and maintain a minimum clearance of eight feet within all 02:03:25
site triangles. Building permits are submitted for each page for each phase in the project and includes all building and structure 02:03:32
elements located within the proposed phase. 02:03:38
Plans are updated to the 2021 agency when submitted for a building permit, A geotechnical report is submitted. Prior to obtaining 02:03:45
a building permit. The applicant makes any red line corrections and the applicant is subject to all federal, state and local laws. 02:03:52
And then the ones on the right are from the Tree Committee, which we met with them today just before this meeting. 02:03:59
The irrigation plan should include dedicated lines to the trees to ensure that water and trees is prioritized. 02:04:08
Teresa of proper root system including zone and soil type approved by the City Arborist approving period for trees and plants 02:04:15
needs to be conducted with the City Arborist prior to planting all plantings to have an establishment period of two years before 02:04:22
the obligation by the developers met. If they're planting fails, the establishment period resets. All trees and plantings that 02:04:29
delineate from the Vineyard Landscape Manual shall be approved by the City Engineer or his design. 02:04:36
If we want to add anything to that, I can just type it in here. Do you guys have any questions about those? 02:04:48
Not knowing about any of those. 02:04:56
Are there are there any outstanding red lines that we? 02:04:59
Are aware of there, OK. 02:05:03
That's just when we throw on all of them, yeah. 02:05:05
But there are no. 02:05:11
Sorry, I'm just looking at the. So based on that I mean what that list I read off, I think several of them are covered there 02:05:17
already. The two that I want to make sure we're in there would be like the. 02:05:23
The UTA timetable. 02:05:30
Table or digital boards, I'm not sure how we would say that Then the shade sales on. 02:05:32
Maybe not all playgrounds, but at least. 02:05:41
One or some so that there's options there, but that's the one that we'll probably need to find here. What are your guys thoughts 02:05:43
on something like that? Because we want to see more shade in the playground area specifically. Yeah, I think like a condition you 02:05:50
could put toward that maybe is something like we work with staff to do a shade analysis and come to a. 02:05:56
Good solution. 02:06:04
As long as the analysis concludes that. 02:06:09
What are your thoughts? Yeah, we could do something like that. And so that it'll provide us with a shade analysis and then 02:06:15
construct whatever their analysis requires. So if it says we want a shade cell here or here, then they're willing to do that as 02:06:21
part of the site plan or they then we might want them to come back to Planning Commission for that to show where these kids will 02:06:27
be. 02:06:33
OK. 02:06:40
Yeah, yeah. I think maybe bringing it back to planning just on the shade. Yeah, just on the shade. 02:06:42
And you guys can work something like that out. I understand once the trees are grown in like that'll be great, but it's just that 02:06:52
first five to 10 years. But I'm worried about. 02:06:57
Any other other things you have written down OK and then the shade sails will be removed. 02:07:05
At a certain time. 02:07:12
No, I it might be that maybe they have to reach some kind of percentage of shade because I don't think a tree would ever cover 02:07:16
like a whole plate area. 02:07:20
But I think, I think you guys, I think we can figure it out with staff and I think we can figure it out. Are you OK with. Yeah. 02:07:26
Yeah, are you OK with the language that I have right there for that condition at the very bottom? 02:07:37
Yeah, yes. 02:07:44
Like that. 02:07:49
Like in that transit Plaza particularly, I don't know if that makes sense, but that is a condition. But I think that's like a key 02:07:50
amenity to having people waiting for their training or bus and to include like the times or to like you just like. 02:07:59
The timing table for the transit options. 02:08:09
Being publicly displayed, do you want that just like at that transit Plaza or I would say so? 02:08:15
Is that something Bronson? 02:08:22
We could say they could work. The applicant will work at the ETA to provide adequate timetable because it does. That information 02:08:24
comes from UTA and we've requested that there's a conduit sent from the platform down the promenade. And so I think something like 02:08:30
that will work with UTA to work on like. 02:08:37
You're planning on that anyway, like my when my ears perk up, like that's a really neat feature. I don't want it to be like, I 02:08:44
hope we get that. That's a really neat feature. Let's make sure we get that. So that's where my head's out. And it may not be 02:08:50
something that's only in the promenade, It may be on some of our side streets and other areas through the downtown. But that's an 02:08:56
important part we think of notification of when the train's going to arrive. And I guess question for staff is, can we tie that 02:09:02
into more places in the city? 02:09:08
So that it's not just in the downtown bird, but you could see it, I don't know, somewhere else in the city like that would be cool 02:09:15
to take it down like the rail Trail, like down to Center St. 02:09:19
That would be cool. So that is being considered in the entire wayfinding master plan. That's gonna happen. So cool. Yeah. We just 02:09:25
want the city to be such that you can still know that you're going eastbound or north or southbound, even if you're not really at 02:09:34
the platform, You know it's about 9 minutes away from coming, so you can make your way there. So we just want it to be such that. 02:09:43
At least you can have 15 minutes away from the train station, enough notice to get to the Front Runner station. I feel like one of 02:09:53
the biggest reasons people don't use public transit is they don't know when the schedule is and they don't want to look it up 02:10:00
because the website is terrible. That has been noted and we will be working with them as we get closer to it. My own personal 02:10:08
observation of using Front Runner, the their times are not always accurate, but in in the discussions we had with UTA. 02:10:15
I think they're working on like an app that would give you the real actual location of the train and it's an estimated time at the 02:10:23
platform. And so while this idea of doing this tickerboard or something somewhere in the promenade, it may get outdated and it may 02:10:29
go to an app and maybe there's on the way finding. There's a QR code that you scan to get the app that shows you where the train 02:10:35
is or something like that. 02:10:41
Using their public transit, I'm I'm looking for those lit up awards because I'm like how long is it and I don't need their app. 02:10:47
Yeah, part of the problem is that that. 02:10:55
Like, this isn't a hesitation to move forward with this idea, but it is inaccurate even on the platform. And you're there, 02:10:58
waiting, and you're like, it says it. It was supposed to be here, and now we're like 5 minutes past. Where is it? That's 02:11:03
definitely true in Utah. 02:11:08
There I have found that their appetites. 02:11:14
Are more accurate. 02:11:18
Even now, that's still off because they don't update frequently enough, but they're better than any other. Yeah, at the very least 02:11:21
you're going to show up there on time. You're not going to miss the train. It could be a little bit early. 02:11:28
And you know, once they hopefully they move into a 15 minute increment and it'll, you know, hopefully the the train arrives into 02:11:38
parts at the same time. 02:11:43
More regularly because it's more frequent. 02:11:49
So. 02:11:52
Some of these considerations may get outdated before we can actually get them built. But yeah, yeah, that's the people who are 02:11:53
early. They can just go to the retail spaces right in front of it. Exactly. OK. 02:11:59
Don't Do I have a motion then? 02:12:06
All the conditions are updated. 02:12:12
You can just stay with the conditions as presented. We'll have this available. OK, I move to approve the site plan as requested by 02:12:17
Bronson Flagborough as presented with the proposed conditions listed by staff on the presentation slide. 02:12:26
I'll second that. Thanks, Anthony. Is this broken? This isn't Rocco. 02:12:38
OK. All in favor. Aye. All right. Thank you, guys. Thank you. 02:12:43
Cool. 02:12:49
Any Commission member reports or expected discussion and disclosure? 02:12:52
Done for me? No. 02:12:57
So when I was in San Diego, I did a lot of walking. 02:13:01
And I just. 02:13:06
What we're seeing in our downtown would mitigate a lot of the the issues I saw in theirs, which has better public transportation 02:13:08
getting from point A to point B. 02:13:14
Our train station is going to have. 02:13:23
Like. 02:13:28
Commercial around it and on the other side is the school that's going to mitigate a lot of the houselessness issues that they have 02:13:31
at theirs. 02:13:35
I mean, hopefully we have something in mind for them that would be nice. And then the. 02:13:40
Just the floor and funnel that we're planning. 02:13:48
Seattle, I mean, sounds gorgeous, too. San Diego is beautiful and just naturally really nice. But they don't. They don't have the 02:13:53
thoroughfare that we're planning, and you guys are really going to add a whole lot with all these pants, and I appreciate that. 02:14:01
And that's about it. I oh, do you remember that that training video we did a few weeks ago and they like had the big gravel area 02:14:11
with all the chairs and the tables and people like move their stuff around. I swear I saw the same spot. 02:14:19
Anyway, I just, I was nerding out. My boyfriend was like, OK, I knew you left this, but OK, that was like 5 months ago wasn't it? 02:14:29
I was like it stuck guys. 02:14:34
Anything from staff before you ask, I don't have an update on a mailbox yet. It's on my list of things I need to get done. But 02:14:42
USPS is kind of disheartening, yeah? And their lack of responsiveness. 02:14:49
Other things before Morgan, he had to step out. He did want me to mention that it is Rachel's last Planning Commission with us. 02:14:59
She'll be continuing employment with Vineyard, but it'll be remote. 02:15:05
She's going to be moving to Las Vegas and he wanted me to thank her for all the work she's done so far. It's not a good buy or 02:15:11
anything, but we'll be seeing her a lot less and she's done an excellent job. She did, you know, this whole week, this Promenade 02:15:17
site plan review and the phenomenal job with that. So we just wanted to thank her for her work and excited to see what she can do 02:15:23
remotely. You have been awesome. We are going to miss you. I'll miss you guys. I'll miss seeing living here and seeing all the 02:15:29
progress. 02:15:34
I plan to be back. 02:15:41
The other thing is we wanted to mention that if you guys want to go to the APA conference in Ogden, UT at the end of September, 02:15:44
just let us know and there is a possibility of us getting you a hotel room. That's all. 02:15:50
One other thing is going forward what will happen is the city is is in the process of hiring a deputy reporter and that deputy 02:15:58
reporter will kind of control the screen and everything for this meeting going forward. That'll probably happen in a few months. 02:16:06
So for now it'll be just anti filling in up there. Yeah, that's I think what we have in the same. 02:16:13
He always has something. 02:16:22
OK. That's it from staff. Cool. Great. Thank you. And if there's nothing else? 02:16:26
Meeting adjourned. 02:16:32
20 8. 02:16:35
Thursday, Friday and then Friday, Yeah, there's. 02:16:42
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Think. 00:00:05
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No, I don't. 00:01:00
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Chair, we're ready. 00:02:09
I don't know. 00:02:11
Welcome, everybody. Today is August 2nd. It is. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is 6:01 PM and we will start 00:02:24
off with an invocation and Pledge of Allegiance by Anthony Jenkins. We'll do that pledge first. Thank you. 00:02:31
I pleasantly of the United States of America. 00:02:41
For which it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:02:47
Our Father in Heaven, we're thankful for the opportunity to gather together as a Planning Commission and as staff and residents. 00:02:59
Tonight we pray for guidance to treat these topics with the importance that they deserve and that we can. 00:03:07
Be open and understanding and that we can make decisions that will help move the city forward. And we pray for these things. In 00:03:16
the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:03:21
Alright. Thank you, Anthony. 00:03:25
All right. We'll move right into an open session. This is a time for any public comments, for something that's not on the agenda. 00:03:28
So if you have any public comments, please come up, state your name, you have 3 minutes, and if you have any questions, I'll write 00:03:32
them down. And yeah, we'll go from there. 00:03:37
Good evening. Thank you. My name is Daria Evans. Is it on? 00:03:46
Can you hear me? 00:03:53
Yeah. OK. Daria Evans, Vineyard resident. Thank you. I just. 00:03:54
I was riding my bike this morning and I'm getting a little scared riding it on Main on Center Street. So I was riding on the 00:04:01
sidewalk in front of the the farm plot and you know how you go into the street to get to that crosswalk? I was there at the 00:04:08
crosswalk waiting to cross. A gentleman stopped his truck. I was turning my bike, getting in to go, and the left lane flew right 00:04:16
past me. 00:04:23
And there was another truck behind who stopped. So I am asking if we might be able to get some flashing lights there. And also 00:04:31
when the mid block comes at the Loop Rd. if we can get some flashing lights at that one it's getting. I'm riding on the sidewalks 00:04:37
now. 00:04:43
It's getting scary, but I love to ride my bike, so I just want to address that. And also, I'm curious, will there be a public 00:04:50
hearing for the Lake Promenade site that they're talking about tonight? 00:04:57
Like, I don't know. 00:05:06
Because I have some questions about those amenities. 00:05:09
Yeah. And when we talked about the site plan application for the Lake Promenade, I'll open it up if you have some questions. OK. 00:05:14
Thank you. Yeah, that's not an official public hearing, but the chair can open up for public comment. OK. Thank you very much. 00:05:22
Just as well, I just wanted to echo your same concerns on crossing anytime there's a multi lane Rd. in this case a four or five 00:05:31
lane Rd. I even tell my kids this like if someone stops and waves you on like it's still scary because you don't know if the other 00:05:38
lane is going to stop, right. So that is that is a challenge there for sure and I think anything we can do to make that safe as 00:05:46
soon as possible. I mean it it's a it's an improvement and but it can always be better. 00:05:53
Especially as school starts up. So yeah, I echo the same concern. The scenes got an update I assume on when that's. 00:06:01
So I'm assuming that there were other works director, excuse me. So the flashing lights, they're called RFPs for the Rectangular 00:06:09
Rapid Flashing Beacons. No different than the Hawks. The Hawks are the high intensity lights that go easy overhead. They've been 00:06:15
ordered with a company. 00:06:20
They'll also include we've discussed they'll also include integrated St. lighting as well, because it shows up not just not just a 00:06:28
plastic light, but illuminating the whole area. 00:06:35
Especially at night, drastically increases driver awareness and safety as well. So we've worked with the company and our 00:06:42
contractor to get those things ordered and have them installed. We expect to get all these things installed shortly before around. 00:06:51
This school time, in regards to, excuse me, in regards to Main Street and Vineyard Loop Rd. also 600 N right by Penny Springs 00:07:02
Park, we submitted those designs to a contractor in terms of constructing a. 00:07:09
Protected Protestant refuge very similar to what was on Sarah St. 00:07:18
Also to utilize the same type of principle as well. And then we're also providing that same design to another contractor for 00:07:26
pricing, so we can get that implemented. We don't testify that to be done before the school year, but and that's also our 00:07:32
transportation master plan consultant. 00:07:38
We're discussing with them in terms of. 00:07:46
Excuse me. Adding adding that type of feature to ensure that those things are being integrated into our transportation Master plan 00:07:49
as well. So any domino effects after those things are placed in are being considered. So we're not creating a unsafe situation for 00:07:57
cars and pedestrians together. Great. Thanks, Missy. 00:08:04
Any other public comments? 00:08:14
All right, seeing as there are none, we'll move right into the business items, into 3.1, the zoning text amendment for 15 point, 00:08:16
12.060, the dimensional standards table. 00:08:21
All right. So yeah, we'll just do a quick refresher. This was an item that was on Planning Commission two weeks ago. It was 00:08:29
continued with some requests to see some view sheds of this area and the applicant is here and they have provided that. So I have 00:08:36
that. Further on this, just as a quick refresher, this is the applicant initiated zoning text amendment to increase the building 00:08:42
height in the RMU from 60 to 70 feet. 00:08:48
There are currently the in yellow. Those are the only two undeveloped parcels in in this area. 00:08:56
And however, this would also apply for any future redevelopment. 00:09:02
So there's the zoning text change. 00:09:07
OK, so if the applicant if you want to go up and you can maybe explain some of these. 00:09:11
Images, yeah, to help everybody understand. So they, they went out with some balloons, some at 60 and some at 70 feet in the air 00:09:17
to kind of show you the difference. And so that's going to be on the next few slides. I have those images. If you wanna maybe 00:09:25
explain this one a little more in detail, that would be great. Matt Brown with MW Brown Engineering. Basically what I did was try 00:09:32
to give a representation of if somebody was standing at the sidewalk at these three locations. 00:09:40
Three is in front of the Planning building, the HOA building or the Homeowners Association Building to Center St. and then the 00:09:48
apartments. One is the apartments to the north. 00:09:54
I just made a simple analysis saying that everything was flat and in the diagrams you can sort of see the the angles. 00:10:01
One is that 60 feet, the other is at the sight line at 70 feet. Could you also point out on this map where you put those balloons, 00:10:11
so as I show those the middle building in the middle building? 00:10:17
So basically, you know, attempts about a little over 11,000 feet in elevation. We're at 45150 at this location. The first two 00:10:26
sections you'd have temp would have to be 13,000. The middle section that it'd have to be a 13th over 13,000 feet to even see it 00:10:34
over the top of the building at 60 feet. 00:10:42
So that's the only one is Section 3 that you can see if it was constructed at 70 feet, so. 00:10:51
The developer went took some pictures of some balloons, sort of showing, you know what what it would look like from the different 00:11:05
standpoint and. 00:11:09
You know, the top balloon, 70 top yellow and 60 top green is 70. And this looks like it's taken from the planning building there. 00:11:14
Yeah, it's in front of the planning building. 00:11:21
That's it. I think it's Center St. there. 00:11:32
I think the wind was blowing a little bit on that one. 00:11:36
So, so you know, as you can see I mean. 00:11:40
The There's not really much difference between 60 and 70 feet. 00:11:44
The view to the east depending on where you're at is going to be blocked. You know there will be corridors through the design but 00:11:50
you know as you as a further develops to the to the South, you know you'll have actually buildings closer to the street at that 00:11:57
location. This is just a video driving up up the Rd. Mill Rd. there sort of show that you know as you're driving and and the 00:12:05
different videos. 00:12:12
You know, you basically don't see the mountains just because of the structures that have already been. 00:12:20
Constructed in your zoning ordinance, you know, the idea is to to build this corridor down there that you know, gets the 00:12:26
businesses that as close to the street as possible. So it seems like you know the height restriction. 00:12:33
You know, it's a little bit contradictory to it because it's if you move the buildings closer, your view is even more. 00:12:40
Obscured. You know if you get on the other side of the tracks, you know the existing structures. Apartments are most likely even 00:12:48
in a. You won't even probably see the tops of these, the 70 foot building from over at the ball diamonds you know on this side of 00:12:55
the tracks because of the existing structures that are there. So. 00:13:02
Cool. Do you guys have any questions for him? 00:13:10
Thank you for providing. Yeah, thank you so much. 00:13:14
No questions for you. I do have questions for staff on some of the language. So cash you mentioned that. 00:13:19
As proposed, this would also apply to any redevelopment. However, it looks to me like there's that green text on the page about 00:13:26
additional standards and there's #8 that's added that says a building height not exceeding 70 feet measured from top of back curve 00:13:32
to the highest point of the building or structure may be permitted. This height allowance will be limited to lots one and two of 00:13:39
the Mill Rd. East subdivision flat B. So, and this is what I was kind of hoping for, where we could narrow the location so that it 00:13:45
wasn't just. 00:13:52
An entire rezone for the whole RMU? Can you help clarify? 00:13:58
What exactly is being proposed here? Because the way I'm reading this is that it would not necessarily go into effect for all 00:14:05
future redevelopment. Let me pull that up for real quick. 00:14:09
And then it would be isolated to just these. 00:14:15
That Plan B? Lots one and two. 00:14:18
And while he's pulling it up, that was my primary concern last time is. 00:14:36
It's just a public base map, Maybe we could highlight. 00:15:17
Yeah, I mean this right here shows it like. 00:15:20
MMM. 00:15:25
Is there a reason why we would want it on one and two instead of just one? 00:15:29
That that would be up to the the Planning Commission the the applicant has requested that that we not limit it to further on that 00:15:34
side, but that would be to to that property itself. 00:15:41
So there was some discussion about limiting it to limit limiting it to just commercial buildings, the height allowance. 00:15:50
And so that that's a conversation you to have, you know tonight if you, if you want to further restrict it right now it restricts 00:15:58
it to those two parcels if you click on those or you just kind of use your cursor to show that one and the one right below. And 00:16:03
for reference which one is lot 1 to the north, North lot? 00:16:09
I believe studying in political county map, yeah. 00:16:15
How far from the residential units are these buildings set back? 00:16:29
Because we're looking at multi story buildings, looking into people's houses and I take huge issue with this. Yeah, we we can pull 00:16:35
a dimension line. So the ones that I mean across the street, I mean you have a really healthy distance. So the Mill Rd. is, is 00:16:42
very wide and so there's quite a bit but if you're talking about two the edge homes, yeah then that that'll be a little closer. 00:16:50
You still do have some distance because you have a portion of the parking lot. 00:16:57
So there is just some buffer that's just kind of you know, built into into baking the cake, you know, having the, the parking lots 00:17:05
and the landscaping kind of kind of pushed back. But we we can pull some dimension lines for you. So you want to give me a minute, 00:17:11
I can do that piece. Yeah. And this gives you an idea of the building location. No site plan has been approved yet for this. And 00:17:17
so this is preliminary. This is what they would like to do in that Northern lot. So you do have. Yeah, I don't Morgan can put the 00:17:23
statistics here. 00:17:29
To show what they are proposing in the in a future site plan application. 00:17:36
About 80 feet is what they're saying would be the distance between the property line and that the building too. 00:17:41
So sorry, so you're saying 80 feet to the property line? 00:17:57
So the property line, OK. And I can give you the number from the property line to the existing channels about 25 feet. Yeah, those 00:18:00
are really tall buildings, incredibly close to front doors. I. 00:18:06
That's a huge problem for me. From what I'm measuring is 28 and it looks like there's a pop out that comes a little bit closer. 00:18:13
I'm on. 00:18:17
So 28 looks like an average. 00:18:23
And then you have 25 feet, so 2528 the the the building faces undulate back and forth. 00:18:26
So that would be, you know, over 100 feet. 00:18:34
We don't have to open up a public hearing. 00:18:37
You guys want to come up to the microphone? You can. 00:18:50
So just so that. 00:18:56
You know, you understand the basis of wanting to go higher. 00:18:58
We're we're wanting to have a higher floor to ceiling space in the SO. 00:19:03
Whether you're at 60 feet or 70 feet, the extra 10 feet up above is more for the mechanical and the roof structure and that up 00:19:11
there. So the window elevations are going to be within probably a few feet of each other, whether it's at 60 feet or 70 feet. So 00:19:18
and that those are those three, the two buildings there, those are the ends of the building. So you know most of the windows are 00:19:26
east, West and not looking towards the north, yeah. 00:19:33
And as far as like setbacks and stuff, it's already it's owned how it is like, so whether or not the buildings go in, that's not 00:19:41
in our control right now. So yeah. 00:19:47
So as far as as far as one and two, do you guys have more commercial space plan for lot 1, which is the southernmost lot or is 00:19:56
there a reason why you're wanting to do both, just open up your options or what's the thinking well to keep to keep our options 00:20:03
open, I mean they they may want to put more office buildings back there, but the plan is to put more of a commercial component 00:20:10
down there and something that. 00:20:17
Parkings, you know, would be the issue when we get down to that site and so you end up with a parking structure. 00:20:25
But there's a definite need, I think you need in the city, and I need it around here to get some good Class A office space, which 00:20:32
is what we're trying to bring in on this parcel. The extra floor space is what, you know, the bigger companies are looking for. 00:20:38
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, height, ceiling heights, not building heights. Yeah, I understand that for sure. OK. Did you guys 00:20:45
have any other questions for him? 00:20:52
Or for staff though. 00:20:59
Not like it really matters because the army zone is full with residential, but I think potentially limiting this to 70 feet 00:21:03
maximum for commercial buildings. 00:21:09
Can we change that wording? Is that? 00:21:16
Yeah. If that's a recommendation, then we would pour that to the City Council. And then so you could do that as part of your 00:21:18
motion and then they they they could debate it at the City Council. Yeah, OK. 00:21:24
If there are any questions, does anybody have a motion? 00:21:31
Anymore you said you had some concerns. 00:21:35
I see it all my concerns. I have no control over any of it. 00:21:40
Yeah, so. 00:21:49
You know from a Planning Commission side you're providing the recommendations City Council. So if if if you there are concerns you 00:21:51
can you can put those in your your your motion. 00:21:56
They're also welcome to to to to request you know more information if you'd like. So I mean it's it's it's up to you. But we do 00:22:03
need to as this is our second meeting we we need to kind of start taking steps forward. So if there's like a a view line that 00:22:09
you're concerned about from the North side, you can you you could request. 00:22:16
That they provide you know a view perspective from you know the the townhomes on the on the north. You know you could just request 00:22:23
that they you know that that that is a concern that they consider. 00:22:29
I mean, a lot of it's just they're they're gonna be windows in this office space, and there are people's private residences right 00:22:38
there that people they don't know will be able to look right into. And what if they want to have their windows open like that, but 00:22:44
then they risk their privacy being invaded so succinctly by a commercial building? 00:22:50
This is all I'm just generally upset by it. And then we want to make it bigger. Like I'm going to, I'm going to hear from a lot of 00:22:58
people about this and. 00:23:03
I. 00:23:10
Don't know what else I can say. 00:23:12
But I was honestly hoping that this is for the northernmost parcel because I would have been like, yeah, two thumbs up sounds 00:23:15
great. 00:23:18
Because it's away from residents, it's not. 00:23:23
Right where people are going to be walking and playing and ripping, yeah. 00:23:27
But here we are. 00:23:32
And you know, you brought up a good point too, where I think you acknowledge that how it's currently zoned. 00:23:36
Has did consider, but I I do I do understand your your your concerns. So it just brings back to a neighborhood they lived by an 00:24:14
American fork and it was unfortunately next to the hospital property and they felt this size of a building about 60 feet, 70 feet 00:24:21
from the property lines. But you that's all you can see. 00:24:29
You go in the neighborhood. That's all you can see. 00:24:38
And that was deeply upsetting to everybody. 00:24:41
Around the whole hospital complex but like. 00:24:44
There was not a whole lot of. 00:24:49
Things we could do about it, right? 00:24:51
The one thing I Polish abuse is is an office building. So nowadays we can. 00:24:58
5 Apologies Now you'll have to. You can even talk into this one if you want, but we don't. We don't get anything on the recording. 00:25:04
It's not. 00:25:07
I. 00:25:12
I was saying that being the proposed use that we're bringing in is an office building. So the hours of operation are are more in 00:25:16
line with the hours that the residents there are going to work, going to school during the holidays, weekends. You know there 00:25:25
won't be many people in these buildings. And so that's actually a benefit for the type of use that we're proposing there. 00:25:34
But then also this uses granted. 00:25:44
I mean when the zone was created, these are the things that the city wanted in this parcel and put in. So the city previously made 00:25:48
the decision to put these type of uses next to to the townhomes there. So if you go back far enough, we wanted businesses with 00:25:56
residents on top. But again, here we are and I can work for them. 00:26:05
Yeah, I know. 00:26:16
I am voice my displeasure, but I I know this is before my time and I can be angry about it. 00:26:17
No, that's fine. We we definitely respect your your opinion and however however you guys want to to to move forward. It is up to 00:26:27
you. I think what we're looking for tonight is if we can I mean you're you're able to to continue if you want to. I'd be very 00:26:36
specific if you want something to if you want like a diagram or something but you know we would recommend that you move it forward 00:26:44
to the City Council and you can have them you know consider specific aspects of the project if if you are what worried about it. 00:26:52
So it's it's up to you however you want to make a motion. Thanks every motion. 00:27:00
Yeah, I'm comfortable making a motion and I hope everyone feels comfortable voting for or against it. 00:27:07
Wherever they stand. So I moved to recommend approval of Ordinance 2023-26 with the following conditions that it's limited to just 00:27:14
commercial space, and only on lots one and two of Plat B, nowhere else in the RMU. 00:27:23
Do I have a second? 00:27:33
So we'll we'll need a second on the motion guys. 00:27:39
All right, great. Then So this is roll call, right? Yeah, you'll have to do a roll call. 00:27:42
Commercial handoff, yeah. So office would to clarify office countless commercial, right. So it's basically can I say non 00:27:50
residential, would that be right as a clarifier you feel comfortable with that? Yeah, I know that there are some people that 00:27:57
wanted to make public comment as well, but I know we closed the public hearing last time so, so technically we did close the 00:28:04
public hearing with the in the last meeting. 00:28:11
I'll allow some public comments for some questions and stuff if you want to make them brief. I assume, Daria, that you have some. 00:28:19
We now we do need AI, don't know if someone seconded. If we did have a second, do we need to? OK, you do have a second. Typically 00:28:26
that's done before, but if you want I'd make it pretty brief cuz you do wanna once you make a motion you wanna make a decision on 00:28:32
it, so. 00:28:38
You could have people coming. OK, if you can make it real quick. Thanks. 00:28:46
I just, oh, Daria Evans. 00:28:52
I just have one question about how you're going to enter those buildings from the road, what roads, where are the entrances going 00:28:54
to be? So, so with all that, that's going to be in the site plans when they come with site plans and we'll talk about all those 00:29:00
details. OK. Thank you very much. 00:29:05
OK. 00:29:13
So we have a motion, Anthony, with a motion Did you want, did you want to? 00:29:14
That amendment. Yeah, as proposed by staff. And we have a second by Graydon and this is roll call, Anthony. Hi, Bryce. I Tay. No 00:29:20
Graydon. All right. And that passes. Yes. That passes 3 to 1. So it'll go to City Council. OK, great. Thank you guys for bringing 00:29:27
the like site, site using stuff that was very helpful. I want the businesses. 00:29:34
I just gotta make a point to City Council here. Yeah, thanks. All right, moving to 3.2, the site plan application for Lake 00:29:42
Promenade. 00:29:47
Yeah. 00:29:54
On this next item, we have Rachel who will provide a presentation and then the applicant and representatives from OJB who are the 00:30:13
landscape architectural firm that designed the promenade will will be here to to provide kind of the more in depth analysis of it. 00:30:19
Thanks Great. 00:30:25
Just trying to get it pulled up. 00:30:33
And Bronson, if you have material and stuff you you you can get up there, maybe just let Rachel go through her presentation and 00:30:44
then you guys can connect in so. 00:30:49
Her cast Could we switch? 00:30:58
These. 00:31:01
Yeah, yeah. 00:31:11
That should work. 00:31:24
Cash, can you come look at this? 00:31:48
I don't know. It's not. This has to be solid. 00:31:59
So it's still just living? 00:32:05
Have you used this before in your laptop? Yeah, I have. 00:32:08
If you want his my laptop I can pull the stack for. 00:32:12
OK, I have a presentation. 00:32:16
Where's it saved under the reports? 00:32:20
Yeah, Commission folder. 00:32:23
There we go. OK, so this is an application from Agboro. 00:33:30
They're all here tonight. We have someone from Flagship Woodbury, and they have their landscape architect OG Bay here. This was 00:33:36
something that the Planning Commission looked at a couple years ago for initial feedback. 00:33:43
Yeah. 00:33:53
So they're here tonight. 00:33:58
We have several conditions of approval. You guys can read through these, but we can go through these more at the end after Bronson 00:34:03
completes his presentation. 00:34:08
So I'll just turn over the time to him to go over all the details or whoever is doing the presentation. Yeah. So here I'll I'll 00:34:16
just say something really quick that we were really happy to have OJB here. We were at City Council a couple weeks ago and the 00:34:23
mysterious voice from Zoom was Sam. So we have him here in person. We're excited to have them here with us and really excited 00:34:29
about the project and excited to to get things rolling, so. 00:34:36
Without further ado. 00:34:44
That's still loading. 00:35:09
Where was this minutes ago? 00:35:19
A couple hours ago. 00:35:22
Need anybody on the same heritage with JB? 00:35:29
So as Marshall mentioned, I'm going to take a few minutes. I'm just going to walk through from a high level kind of the current 00:35:33
design and as well as some of the elements within the park design and Promenade design, so. 00:35:39
So is Rachel highlighted? The problem itself is broken into six blocks. It's highlighted on the diagram above, starting with the 00:35:48
transportation and running east to West towards the lake in the lakefront. Each block is unique in character. 00:35:55
Intent to We'll go through some of the design behind each of those. 00:36:03
Here's the size of each one. 00:36:11
Block one on the east, it's called the Transit Plaza. Just under 2 acres 1.7, two in size. Market Square streetscape is just an 00:36:13
acre in length and size. Pacific Square Lot 3 just under an acre as well. The Greenway, a little bit larger. Block 4, just over 2 00:36:20
1/2 acres. 00:36:26
Block 5 is the the largest of the Six Blocks Civic Park, just under 5 acres. 00:36:34
Inclusive sub elements, including a community pool which would be something each pack. 00:36:43
Block 6, The waterfront park just over 4 and a quarter acres adjacent to. 00:36:49
So what I want to do is just walk through each block, talk about the design tent, as well as kind of talk about some of the 00:36:58
programmatic elements. 00:37:01
So is there, this is the transit Plaza part, block 1 dividing kind of direct connection to the transportation itself that's 00:37:05
currently there. It will be a little bit more urbane in character with buildings on either side both North and South. Part of the 00:37:14
idea is to bring pedestrians through the space so you can see the flowing meandering pathway network carved out by planting 00:37:22
elements of the kiosks, potential water feature there, lawn areas and a plane of opportunities for CD and variety of uses. 00:37:30
We've highlighted certain locations that we think that would be viable for furniture layout. They're highlighted kind of the Navy 00:37:39
blue color. And then we've also kind of highlighted potential locations where we think waste receptacles management opportunities 00:37:44
for the spaces. 00:37:49
Sam, while we're on this block, can we talk a little bit? This was brought up in kind of previous meetings. 00:37:55
About when you get off the train station, you're walking W you have essentially like that building right there. So I mean I think 00:38:00
the concern was creating kind of that sense of of arrival whereas like just because it's kind of a weird offset you're, it's not 00:38:06
like you're arriving in the Plaza, you have to walk over to it. Yeah. Can you kind of explain maybe how you maintain kind of that 00:38:12
sense of arrival? 00:38:18
With that, I don't know just kind of how how that environment is as you first come off before you you reach out. 00:38:25
And if you could even with the cursor maybe on that previous one just show like sure where where are they getting off the train. I 00:39:16
know there's there's a South and a N exit of. So right now on the Instagram we're just showing the Northern, but coming off there 00:39:21
would be a platform and then there's a pedestrian pathway that kind of runs NS parallel and then you would basically come off and 00:39:27
you would walk N open to the space. 00:39:33
You mentioned kiosks. What type of kiosks did you have in mind? 00:39:40
And so we'll have a few more slides. Right now, it's a trellis, an overhead structure, movable seating underneath. And then 00:39:44
there's also potential for a future restaurant or a restaurant or food and beverage element, which is the highest #30 there, so. 00:39:52
So just out of curiosity, what are the plans for that building where you step off the station and have that building right there? 00:40:00
What what are? 00:40:04
Your hopes for I mean, yeah. 00:40:08
Into the mic more so. We haven't designed that building yet, but. 00:40:13
It'll be mixed-use. It'll be likely retail along the bottom, possibly residential or office above that. And so part of the idea of 00:40:20
this is we want this Plaza to engage those buildings. So that first story retail, what OJB showing here that #27 and then some of 00:40:27
these like darker shaded areas you're living mouse here. 00:40:35
These are areas where we we are looking to whatever these buildings end up being when they're designed. The idea is that they 00:40:44
would spill out into the Plaza and engage with the Plaza. But we also realize a large function of this Plaza is flow through 00:40:51
people going up to the station from from the downtown area coming up the promenade to the station coming out of the station into 00:40:59
the residences or office spaces. So we we're kind of. 00:41:06
And I love the idea that like where you can actually wait near the train, like right next to the entrance of the train. Is there a 00:41:46
reason why you guys decided to go this direction? No, I think that's still, that's still the idea like this. This corner building 00:41:52
here would have that opportunity almost like a. 00:41:57
You know, like a train station function of people either waiting at the in the lower level of this building, it just hasn't been 00:42:04
designed yet It'll it'll come later, but that's still the idea. The parking structure, the large parking structure is just South 00:42:10
of these kind of three buildings that you're seeing. I was talking to Morgan earlier. We've kind of looked at those. The edge of 00:42:16
that parking structure is like doing some kind of mural. So that would be like this real big. I've arrived at that Utah State a 00:42:21
year. 00:42:27
That, yeah, that that would be awesome. 00:42:34
Utah City Avengers So. 00:42:38
Yet an amenity like this that maybe even had a board inside that says you know northbound 5 minutes, southbound 20 minutes, like 00:43:13
you know I I think that dispute that helped create that that that those amenities especially if we want our residents to take 00:43:20
transit, you know providing kind of just that those extra level of amenities is going to make it a much more like quality 00:43:26
experience. And then I I guess another question I have right there is. 00:43:33
Is this a road? Then right here, that's the regional trail. That's the trail. OK, so there are no roads between. OK, cool. 00:43:41
Perfect. 00:43:45
So just to maybe clarify a couple things, my name is Jared Boss. I work with Sam with OJB. As we look at the greater context of 00:43:50
the area, I know we're looking at the Promenade right now and at the Transit Plaza, one of the things that we have talked about as 00:43:58
we've looked at the architecture and then as we think of the greater team, there are a couple of things that come to mind. One is 00:44:05
we do have the the north-south Path, so that will connect through the Greater Vineyard project. 00:44:12
We are at the North End of the train station here. As we've looked at the architecture for these areas, these lower areas are 00:44:20
anticipated as retail areas. We are also in the process of bringing on a branding, A branding and a wayfinding consultant as well. 00:44:27
So we've talked about ideas of how do we engage people when people are using some of these retail spaces or if they're sitting by 00:44:34
the fountain, how would we, how would we notify them and and. 00:44:41
The train will be here in 5 minutes or something like that, so that there is this procession, there is this pathway. So I think as 00:44:50
we continue to move forward with the architecture, an opportunity on the side of the garage as we see that north-south path begin 00:44:57
to develop, I think we'll start to see plantings, trees, some lighting elements and some of that way finding that takes you 00:45:05
through as a greater idea and we'll show this through the slides. 00:45:12
The the real idea and and this is not an uncommon term as we look in other cities is it's really kind of this court ashore or from 00:45:20
the transit rail connection to to the lakefront. So we're very interested in connecting pedestrians all the way down this 00:45:27
alignment and Bronson Anthony. 00:45:34
Is Anthony Fletcher. 00:45:43
I was gonna say are Anthony, but you're our Anthony as well. Employee Anthony Planner. Anthony, you're a planner too, so this is 00:45:45
gonna be hard. 00:45:48
But Anthony's working on a master wayfinding signage for the city. And so as you work on your wayfinding signage, if we could kind 00:45:54
of marry those two and so if maybe if you have a group that's working on pull, pull, Anthony in all those meetings, so great, 00:46:01
Thank you. I do also just something to point out that I like is having the garage space closer to the transit is a good thing? I 00:46:07
mean it's somebody I know somebody commented previously. 00:46:14
That they wished that for those that have a handicap or something that they were closer and it is a good thing that the parking 00:46:21
dodge is closer and you want you don't want the parking garage to be there and then nothing. So it doesn't make sense. 00:46:27
And like to that point that that structure we anticipate that UTA would have. 00:46:34
A lot of stalls in there and there would be ADA stalls in there. So essentially we are getting those accessible stalls as close as 00:46:40
possible to the station. Perfect. Cool. 00:46:45
Just going to go through a few renderings, then we'll go to block 2. 00:46:56
Some imagery of what the water feature could be. 00:47:01
Block 2, Market Square. So as you head east from the transit Plaza towards the lake, the idea here is it once again, it's kind of 00:47:08
a continuation of a flow as you're heading through the open space, very much kind of a retail oriented space with walkways, lots 00:47:15
of seating. Part of the idea is to kind of work with the tree layout and have some potentially some sort of overhead element that 00:47:23
kind of sets the tone and the character space pedestrianize the scale of it. 00:47:30
Once again, the idea is also to carry through kind of the paving materiality to start to kind of link these spaces together. So 00:47:38
here's a few views of ideas of what the space could feel like. 00:47:43
And then moving to Block 3 Civic Square. 00:47:50
So it's where the space starts to open up. Starting on the eastern side, there's this opportunity for kind of an art element or 00:47:53
some sort of kind of visual kind of terminus as you're coming in into the promenade area that is almost that moment, right? A 00:47:58
visual moment as you're coming through. And what the idea is, it would open up to green space in the center, pedestrian circuit 00:48:03
circulation around the perimeter. And as you head to the West, it opens up to another Plaza space that starts to kind of marry up 00:48:09
to the streetscape. 00:48:14
In this rectangle, that's already, that's what you see has already occurred, yeah? 00:48:22
So driving into the downtown, this is the first feature you hit. Yeah. So when you when you cross on Main Street, you cross 800 N 00:48:31
This is 2 blocks up from 800 N. 00:48:36
So be looking east. 00:48:48
And you'll you'll see too. In here we have this, this. 00:48:53
Artwork you see in here, it's just placeholder stuff. This is not actually what's commissioned to go in. These are just. 00:48:56
A representation of some kind of sculpture or artwork that would be going in there. 00:49:04
With shade trees spread throughout, maybe some low slungs, you know, Charlotte. Additional trail structures where you can sit 00:50:14
down, have a couple you know, pick a table, grab a drink, you know, eat something along those lines. 00:50:19