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OPEN SESSION – Tyler Haroldsen asked for clarification regarding comments for the work session. Tyler continued by asking for the city to define roads and streets.
WORK SESSION1    Site Plan – Downtown Blocks& Community Development Director Morgan Brim introduced Downtown Blocks&. Bronson Tatton along with Nelson Partners, presented the site plans for the two blocks, providing context for location, displaying elevations, and discussing information regarding unit and parking counts.
Chair Brady asked about the transition between the two types of streets. Mr. Brim requested Mr. Tatton to provide a bikeway network map of the downtown area to be presented at the next meeting.
Chair Brady asked when they plan on going vertical with these two buildings. Mr. Tatton responded that they will probably go vertical in the following spring. Mr. Brady asked if any of the units being proposed would be for sale or if they were all rentals. Mr. Tatton responded that these two blocks were all rentals, however, there will be for-sale condominiums in other phases. A discussion was had regarding the need for a parking study as these two blocks will require one before the certificate of occupancy is issued.
Commissioner Bramwell asked for clarification regarding the ownership of the paseos and sidewalks. Mr. Brim explained that ownership is currently being discussed, however, it will always be open to the public regardless of ownership. Mr. Bramwell stated the important need to have a public square for speech.
Commission Jekins complimented the downlighting and bike infrastructure of the project. He requested to know how many street parking stalls would be provided with these two blocks.
Chair Brady opened the meeting to the public for questions regarding the project.
Jenine Broxton asked who would maintain planters.
Tyler Haroldsen asked about the flexibility of the ground floor retail. He also asked for some information regarding the soil cleanup of the area. He also stated that he would support metering the street parking.
Harry Broxton expressed his concern with the total parking and size of the units.
Chair Brady and Mr. Brim responded to the questions from the public.
Tim Heaton asked what the longest walking time for non-residents of the downtown would be to reach the furthest point of the development. Mr. Brim explained that the downtown has aminute and-minute walking shed map. Mr. Heaton stated his concern with all the units being rented. A discussion was had regarding housing affordability and parking demand.
Karen Cornelius asked why parking structures were being built after the housing. She also asked why the city must accept the HTRZ distinction. Chair Brady explained the finances regarding structured parking. Mr. Brim stated that they will be following the parking requirements regardless.
COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSIONDISCLOSUREChair Brady introduced Brady Flag as a new member of the Planning Commission.                                         ADJOURNMENT   Minutes Approved On:January,24   Minutes Completed By:   /s/ Cache Hancey                                             Cache Hancey, Planner
Welcome, everybody. It is Wednesday, October 4th. It is 6:01 PM and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. I will give 00:00:02
an invocation and then we'll have the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:07
Tell me Father, we're thankful that we could be here today to discuss some things that are going on in Vineyard City and please 00:00:14
bust us as we go through these plans that we'll be inspired as to the decisions that needs to be made and to the things that need 00:00:21
to be looked at. Please bless us that we'll know what those decisions are. We're thankful for the city and all those that 00:00:29
volunteer the people that have come out to voice their to have their voices heard and to that actually care about the city and. 00:00:36
Want to make it a better place? We're thankful for city staff and police and the firefighters. And please bless them and Father in 00:00:45
love thee. And they say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:00:50
All right. 00:00:58
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:01:03
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:09
All right, we'll move right into an open session. This is the time for residents to make public comments on something that is not 00:01:18
on the agenda. So if you have comments that are not on the agenda, come up, state your name and where you're from, and try to keep 00:01:23
it limited to 3 minutes. 00:01:27
The work session today, It's not a public hearing. 00:01:42
But we also. 00:01:46
That's supposed to comment on things on the agenda. 00:01:48
So with with the work session for the downtown blocks, I might open it up for some comments on things that we might miss. But as 00:01:54
far as things is like is this building allowed or parking and stuff like that, I'm not gonna open it up for comments like that 00:02:00
because it's already been approved. If you have comments other than that, I am gonna open it up for some kind of comments like 00:02:06
that when we get into that. 00:02:12
In that case, for now, just state your name just for the record you're good. 00:02:19
Not. 00:02:28
Cool. Thank you. 00:02:51
Any other public comments? 00:02:55
And 3.1 site plan for the downtown blocks 8 and 14. 00:03:01
This great doctor. Thank you, Sir. Appreciate it. 00:03:07
Is so is the developer. Are they both on online? Is it how they're presenting? I believe the Bronson should be walking into this 00:03:13
room right now to present. 00:03:18
Yeah, it's a fashion view. 00:03:26
So, yeah, thank you, Chair. So we're going to be discussing blocks 8 and 14. Those are the the next two within kind of the phase 00:03:31
of development within the within these earlier phases. 00:03:38
And so they're under site plan and So what we're looking at tonight is to provide a presentation so that you're familiar with the 00:03:46
project, you can you can ask any questions. Staff has has done a review cash, I don't know if you have Rachel's comments, but I 00:03:53
but I believe what she said is that she went through and you know and looking at all like the dimensional standards that she had 00:04:00
should work with Bronson's team and they they've gone through a couple iterations. 00:04:08
To make sure that the zoning code was in compliance. So pretty much this is a prescriptive review where you look at the zoning 00:04:15
requirements and do the checklist boxes. The plan is to have them come back in two weeks for the formal site plan review. But this 00:04:22
is we know that with the large projects Commission is asked to do a work session before you're you're asked to make a decision on 00:04:29
this. So that's that's what this is time. So thanks Morgan. 00:04:36
Hey, Ranson. 00:04:44
Good evening. How can you be here? 00:04:46
Looks like you've got Jeff Grant, who's with Nelson Partners. 00:04:50
One of our architects and. 00:04:55
Looks like Janet is trying to get in, so it's hard. 00:04:59
Yeah, yeah, here with me. Oh ****. 00:05:02
OK, awesome. Do you guys want to pull up the staff report or do you want the architects to pull up site plans? Will you be able to 00:05:05
share that screen to the three monitors? 00:05:11
What do you want to? 00:05:23
Yeah. 00:05:26
He he can share right there and everyone should be able to say. 00:05:29
I was just gonna say also while he's pointing it up, I know some of the things that folks are going to be interested in. So just 00:05:33
answering the questions before they even arises, how many units, how many parking stalls, those types of things. I know it's in 00:05:39
the public record that they already sent out and posted online, but that would be a good thing to cover. 00:05:44
So just in context of where this is at, I don't know if anything has been shown yet for I'm sorry I got here just a little late, 00:05:56
but this is so blocks five and six are are you proved in under construction if you come in on Main Street and you go down the 00:06:02
promenade, which is the open space that connects the train station to the lake? 00:06:09
Five and six are to the South of that. 00:06:18
And these two blocks, these two buildings 8 and 14 are north of the promenade on the same St. that goes up from 5:00 and 6:00. 00:06:20
So. 00:06:32
Say anything wrong but in block 14? Whoa. 00:06:41
And stereo. 00:06:49
Block 14 we've got a total of. 00:06:54
464 parking stalls or no that is that that's unit Jeff. 00:06:59
OK, so the count right there that called count 234. Here I'll use the mouse. 00:07:08
So this one, this one's the parking up is the. 00:07:16
Maybe this has it all, but it was a little clearer on the. 00:07:21
Are you? I think you're right. This is this is the parking table. Oops. 00:07:25
What's the patient about? It is for me it was a little clear on the unit count. 00:07:32
Sorry. 00:07:44
Well, this is. 00:07:51
Let's get back to. 00:07:54
Oh, maybe one of these buttons to go back to the full page. 00:07:57
This one. 00:08:04
There's the context map is on there too, which is helpful. 00:08:08
So. 00:08:14
Yes. 00:08:18
So the UM. 00:08:22
Main Street is located right here, where the hand is. 00:08:24
If you can see that on the screen, OK, you can see that moving the promenade is here's the train station over here to the east, 00:08:28
and the promenade goes down out to the lake. 00:08:34
And then this is Block 8 and then over here in this exhibit, Block 14 is just north of eight. 00:08:39
And these buildings are are like 1/4 of those two blocks, so I. 00:08:47
The first block 8 building is 8A and it's on the northwest corner of of this block and then 14B is on the southwest corner of of 00:08:56
that block. 00:09:03
So here you can see the net square footages of each building and. 00:09:11
Average unit sizes. 00:09:17
And then the total unit count. 00:09:19
Or unblock 8 Building 8A is 184. 00:09:22
Building 14 B is 234 or a total of 418. 00:09:29
And then here are the parking. 00:09:36
Stats I guess. 00:09:41
So you'll see. 00:09:51
Based on a calculation of bedrooms, what the required parking is is 464 on block 14. 00:09:53
367 on block 8 and then what we've provided is 490 on block 14. 00:10:01
And 386 on block 88. 00:10:07
The Building 80. 00:10:11
Any any questions? 00:10:14
So far so far so good. 00:10:16
OK. 00:10:20
So let's go. 00:10:23
To the next. 00:10:27
Pages here. 00:10:28
OK, so. 00:10:32
In Janet, I don't know if you have. 00:10:33
Access to the latest. 00:10:36
Elevations for building 8. 00:10:40
Although it's not that. 00:10:43
These are, yeah, this one is. 00:10:45
Is a little outdated. 00:10:48
Yeah. 00:10:50
Is she able to share? 00:10:53
Are you able to share? 00:11:06
So I was thinking Jeff and Jenna, maybe we can just go through the elevations and then we'll come back and go through the site. 00:11:26
Yep. 00:11:52
The South side of Block 14, I'm sorry, Block 8. This is the South side up against a pedestrian walkway. Pedestrian for sale. 00:12:00
Again, this is kind of a broken up elevation of a number of different iterations of. 00:12:08
As you turn West on the West elevation again as you turn this corner on the left. 00:12:20
This is the West elevation, as if he's there element on the corner that faces the large open park transitions to a little bit of a 00:12:26
different style building with the brick express brick brick moving upward as we move to the north side. Let me see the north side. 00:12:36
Is. 00:12:47
Right here it doesn't have an updated corner. We're a little bit in process right now without revision, but again, it's got units 00:12:49
and and the elevation broken up in three different sections and then we go to the east side. 00:12:56
Which is again has an open courtyard and a pedestrian paseo and then three different sort of styles that you go along the eastern 00:13:04
edge 1 recessing in the courtyard, dealing withholding the two corners. So those will be updated elevation. Yeah, perfect. 00:13:12
OK. 00:13:22
We'll go back for presentation here. 00:13:24
OK. 00:13:42
Where they can see that now. 00:13:44
I'm not seeing anything that's shared right now yet. 00:13:50
Oh, we can see it on our screen. So let me see if I didn't click the button on Teams. 00:13:53
Hey, OK, we'll get that. 00:14:03
OK. So those elevations that we were just looking at are on building 8/8 right here, so. 00:14:07
The kind of courtyard that's out on the Paseo. So I guess for some of the people that are that are here, that may not. 00:14:15
Know some of the terminology that we use, so we've got. 00:14:23
We've got streets and we've got paseos. 00:14:28
And they're. 00:14:30
The streets are. 00:14:33
You know typical streets that you would you'd see around town. We've got on street parking, there's parallel parking on each St. 00:14:35
And then these ten areas are what we call Paseos and those are more pedestrian oriented streets. So there's. 00:14:45
Limited car traffic on those, they're they're more meant for for pedestrian waste. We may have like emergency services in those 00:14:54
areas or or service trucks or that kind of thing. But the sales when we talk about Paseos, those are more pedestrian oriented. So 00:15:02
you know 90% of the time it's just pedestrians and bikes that are in those areas and then. 00:15:10
Cars are out on the streets. 00:15:20
And so. 00:15:24
This this little invention here is a is a courtyard. 00:15:26
That when we come in and we build the next building. 00:15:29
Not necessarily in in. 00:15:33
Chronological order, but in the next in a future phase, you can kind of see the outline of the future building that goes on top of 00:15:36
the the. 00:15:39
Temporary parking, surface parking. It'll kind of create this little courtyard, as the building's kind of. 00:15:44
Playoff of each other and then inside of and that that's kind of happening on both 14 B and 18-8 or 8A. 00:15:51
And they both have an interior courtyard where those courtyards are programmed for well, in this particular case, you're seeing 00:15:59
like a a green lawn. 00:16:04
And some some chairs and so and we'll we'll, I guess we'll get into more detail and we can explain what's happening in each of 00:16:10
these problems. 00:16:14
Are private, whereas the courtyards in the Paseo are public. Am I correct? 00:16:19
Yeah, so those those courtyards and and some of them may be open where the public could like stroll into those, but some of them 00:16:27
will be like key activated for residents only. 00:16:32
In five and six. 00:16:40
Like Block 5, for instance, it's very porous. There's like there's five buildings in in the one block. And so you can kind of 00:16:41
explore your way through that through the paseos. And But yes, there's a certain level of privacy that's inside these courtyards 00:16:49
that are like limited access. But then these paseos, they're not gated, they're just open. 00:16:56
For for anyone to walk through and they they kind of provide this secondary network to get around through Utah City. 00:17:07
Yeah. 00:17:17
A little bit more gears towards family. Some are more geared towards getting quiet, some are geared towards being really active 00:17:41
and loud and and having activity in them. But each one of them will have access across the way for people that live in the in the 00:17:48
community on site between buildings 814 or in the future like a building 13 or 10 would have access to all of those courtyards as 00:17:55
part of a connected community structure throughout all the residential here. Yeah, very good point. 00:18:02
All right. 00:18:11
Oh, we did get some of the updated elevations in here. 00:18:22
Very nice. Thank you for getting those in there. 00:18:25
OK, so these one these are some of the ones that are outdated and for uh. 00:18:29
The meeting in two weeks we'll we'll kind of have the same kind of layout where we're calling out the material like giving you a 00:18:34
material board so you can see. 00:18:39
What those materials are? 00:18:43
Sorry, let me get rid of that little box there, OK? 00:18:47
Even though this elevation is kind of outdated, this, the idea is, is the same here that there's an opportunity for like a corner 00:18:52
cafe in this building where we have tables and chairs, the ability to put tables and chairs out. 00:19:00
Or outside dining. 00:19:09
I mean that would be like, you know, out on the street side. 00:19:12
Got that updated too. So these are some of the landscape plans and? 00:19:24
Lauren, I don't know if you want to talk about some of the landscape stuff as we maybe we get into. 00:19:29
The more rendered. 00:19:38
Yeah, if you might, I was gonna say just for the the purposes of having us understand, if you have like a rendered version, I 00:19:39
think it's gonna help us distinguish like plants and if there's questions about like landscaping material as opposed to the line 00:19:44
drawing. 00:19:49
This is this is the package we sent back in June so I was scrolling through to remember. 00:19:56
Let's let's talk about the streets and then maybe we can go back and talk about some of these. This is kind of this this image 00:20:02
here is kind of talking to that point of. 00:20:06
What streets are what the potatoes are? 00:20:11
What the kind of the look and feel over there on the right? 00:20:14
What those are? 00:20:19
Here's kind of the street section in the parallel parking. Oh yeah, go ahead. 00:20:23
As well, just one thing to add for clarity on the overall circulation diagram. You mentioned Concorde having on street parking, 00:20:30
but I think one thing important to note is that it does have a dedicated bike lane to it. This is the same St. that does cut 00:20:38
through 5-6 and attaches to the promenade, you know open space. So when this dedication of bike lane on Concord, it's really a 00:20:46
kind of a main bike thoroughfare that connects these kind of first stages of development to the main central open space. 00:20:53
So not only is there kind of bike activity within the Paseo network, but there's also bike activity. 00:21:02
On that main kind of vehicular corridor on Concord. 00:21:10
That's a really good point. Yeah, that's a perfect. 00:21:15
You go back to that one overall you can see how 5-6 and 8:14 will go back to the one that has the open space in the on that one. 00:21:18
Perfect. So you can see how these networks start to overlay on one another where you have what's the dash line is these kind of 00:21:26
car free pedestrian focused paseos that also have cyclists. And then what's the Peach kind of the big Peach arrow is Concord which 00:21:35
has a dedicated bike lane which basically slices through and connects right into. 00:21:43
The large part in the Promenade open space, and here's a good context of both five and six with you know, 8/13/14 all clustered 00:21:52
together really creating that core. 00:21:57
Year Day One. 00:22:04
I'm glad that you pointed that out because that is really important piece of the overall network is this is kind of how those on 00:22:07
Concord St. 00:22:11
How those bike lanes are up at the sidewalk elevation. 00:22:17
So we've got the two travel lanes in the middle, parking on the sides, parallel parking. And then we've got this buffer area where 00:22:23
you know the door will swing open from the parked cars so that the bikers aren't running into the doors. And then we've got a 00:22:31
landscape planting area with our street trees and then sidewalk. And then that's where we hit the the right of way and go into 00:22:38
more of those private spaces like these these Stoops or porches. 00:22:45
With for the unit. 00:22:54
Real quick, do you have any pictures or anything of the transition from, like how it is on Concord St. to what it'll be on some 00:22:56
other streets? 00:23:01
Like on 3rd St. the bike lane is there isn't really a bike lane, it's just in the road. So what's what's the transition going to 00:23:07
be like from Concord St. into other streets like that? I think we have that coming up, OK? 00:23:13
So that's a really good question because we've thought a lot about that and we're we're, we're. 00:23:19
Brandon and Lauren there. I forgot to introduce them, but they're from Big Studio. There are landscape architectural consultants. 00:23:25
And we're working through that on the overall project scale, so. 00:23:34
Before we get go past this. 00:23:42
Some of these names are going to be changing, so the plots that we just got approved the names are kind of out of date on here, 00:23:45
but. 00:23:49
3rd Street is the side street. 00:23:53
What's that, Brandon? 00:23:57
Oh, OK. 00:24:00
So 3rd street is the side street. No dedicated bike lanes here. So this is a shared street where the bikers are going to be riding 00:24:03
in the travel lanes of the cars. 00:24:08
The driving speed, the speed limit here is we're probably like 25 miles an hour. I think that's probably still something that we 00:24:15
need to determine with with the city, but we're anticipating very slow speeds. 00:24:20
Umm, we are doing some traffic calming as well, which we'll get to with like table topping some of the intersections. So that's. 00:24:27
Maybe I'll, I'll talk about that when we get to that slide. But on this, so this is something good for us to track for our next 00:24:37
meeting if you could have and maybe you don't have everything like detail at this point, but it sounds like there's interest in 00:24:42
how it's the general. I'm sorry about that. 00:24:47
These are meant to be just really small side streets. When we get to like a primary St. that's where we're going to have like 00:25:26
Concord St. is the primary street where you have the dedicated bike lane. 00:25:31
OK, let's go to the next year. 00:25:40
This is just kind of showing how those private Stoops and porches are kind of relating to the streetscape. 00:25:46
This also kind of gives you an understanding of the relationship these units have to the street. 00:25:58
So most of these units. 00:26:03
And Jeff and Janathem and Evan. Evan joined you. Evan is another one of our architects from Nelson. But on similar to blocks five 00:26:06
and six, the primary egress and ingress for these units on the street are from the streets. So there's no traditionally you would 00:26:14
have a hallway that these units would go and they'd go park their car and then they'd walk into the hallway and then go into their 00:26:21
unit. All of these ground level units, their only access is from the street. So they parked their car. 00:26:29
And come in from the street. 00:26:38
The units of the. 00:26:41
Yeah. 00:26:44
I was just going to add one thing on the landscape that you'll notice on this image that we're looking at on 3rd St. and all side 00:26:46
streets where we don't have the dedicated bike lane. 00:26:51
Between parallel parking and road is utilizing stormwater, utilizing stormwater and collecting it within all the street side 00:26:57
planters. So that detail that you see in terms of the elevated curve, the small ornamental iron fence that starts to speak to the 00:27:05
architecture to kind of delineate that planting area and then the curb cut pulling water in from the street. So we can use those 00:27:13
planting areas to filter that storm water is something that we're we're implementing throughout. 00:27:21
Kind of all these blocks. 00:27:29
And Bronson, I was going to add real quick too, is that just as it kind of in general for Box 8 and 14, What's being proposed here 00:27:33
in this hearing is, is in accordance with the the master plan, the urban plan that was composed and laid out through Just Tech, 00:27:40
which is the focus on walkability throughout the entire layout of this area. So Box 8 and 14 again, ground level units do not have 00:27:47
interior corridors, so there's a there's a forced exterior entry. 00:27:54
Specific in a way to create a wealthful streetscape and to encourage public interaction for local residents that we live here. 00:28:01
That being the case in each of these residences, instead of a typical multifamily alignment, there is a focus on the throwaways 00:28:09
and entries of each of these so that the ground level experience both on the vehicle roadways, the street sketch, as well as the 00:28:17
pedestrian pathways that there's a focus on unit entry, much like you would see in the Roadhouse or brownstone type of alignment. 00:28:24
In other urban contest. So that's that's the idea here across the development is to really focus on the pedestrian streetscapes. 00:28:33
But again, both in the car environment and without cars to have really visually engaging places to walk and destroy, so that that 00:28:42
it creates an environment that encourages people to get out and to actually walk in lieu of Walker bike in lieu of baby cars. 00:28:49
Great. Yes, well said. 00:28:59
OK, so this is what I was talking about here, right. So this tabled intersection, what this is doing and kind of these transitions 00:29:04
that we're we're looking at. 00:29:09
This is kind of our first instance where we're looking, we're looking at this. We did have a tabletop in five and six, but it was 00:29:16
kind of South of the buildings and I don't know how how many people caught that, but this, this table intersection is you can see 00:29:21
that the bike lane carries through. 00:29:27
The dedicated bike lane carries through the intersection. The kind of everything in Gray is all at the same elevation. So the 00:29:33
cars, as they come into the intersection, they'll come up to like the sidewalk elevation, and so that the bikes will be staying at 00:29:41
the same elevation from like from South coming across the intersection, they'll be at the same grade the whole way and continue. 00:29:49
Continue on to the north. 00:29:58
What that does is obviously it's going to slow the cars down as they come into that intersection. 00:30:01
But it's it's a way that we're helping, you know, create a safe crossing in that area and kind of prioritizing that pedestrian and 00:30:06
bicyclist experience. 00:30:11
I don't know if you. 00:30:22
Here's just our lighting diagram of the different styles of lights that we're proposing. 00:30:32
Just a traditional street light. I'm not sure what happened with the picture for the catenary light, but that's basically a light 00:30:39
that's hanging from the cable. 00:30:44
Umm, these moonlight lights are are intended in the. 00:30:51
Like in the courtyards to be in the trees. So with dark skies we're really trying to control. 00:30:57
The amount of light that goes up upward and so all of these light options were were really just trying to get the light down. 00:31:05
And you know, a lot of a lot of times we like to up light trees to accent the trees, but in this case we're putting the tree up or 00:31:15
the light up in the tree. So it kind of creates a similar like glow effect within the tree. 00:31:21
The parking standard light standards kind of a just a traditional shoe box. 00:31:29
Right and then. 00:31:36
These are kind of just the string lights like kind of a festival light that you would see and you can see where we're proposing 00:31:38
those kind of in the Paseo areas. 00:31:42
I'm not Brandon. Do we? Do we keep these ones out on the? 00:31:48
On the north-south, I guess those are paseos. Those are our paseos. Like when the next building comes on, these will be the 00:31:53
potato. 00:31:56
Yep, correct. Yeah. The, the benefit of having these kind of urban environments where the buildings are but close, you know, close 00:32:01
together, we're able to use those for scale and lighting to create these kind of ceilings and to make these comfortable with 00:32:08
passages through the community. So we're integrating a lot of lighting concepts with the architectural elevation and those 00:32:14
corridors. 00:32:20
Some more pictures of the lights. 00:32:32
OK. 00:32:37
Brandy, you were learning. Want to take the courtyards? 00:32:39
Yeah, stick to the courtyard. And I think Jeff Brand set it up very nicely is the idea that is that these corridors are all very 00:32:44
unique. It takes the same concept from 5:00 and 6:00 where they were thought of as a network. So here is basically the backyard 00:32:51
courtyard or the active courtyard, which is really focused on having an active lawn space and bringing in the feeling of lounge 00:32:59
seating similar like you get at a pool, but just with the idea of sitting on a deck and kind of watching the kids run around. 00:33:07
There's a grill station, so I think kind of family backyard activities, you know, kicking the ball around a little bit, you know, 00:33:15
having a game of eggs, that sort of program for this space. 00:33:20
Couple different views of that space. Is the lawn, is that a turf? 00:33:33
We've asked about that before. Are you? 00:33:38
Yeah, right now we'd probably be looking at artificial chirp within the courtyard just from an overall solar perspective and being 00:33:43
able to get, you know, the right amount of sunlight during the day and then also from a maintenance perspective of getting kind of 00:33:49
equipment in there. So right now we're looking at artificial. 00:33:55
So here's one of those kind of enclaves of the courtyards that would be completed out with the building that would stitch into it. 00:34:10
So it's got that C shape that then faces into the sail. There's ideas about activating these with outdoor, you know, spaces, 00:34:20
community spaces, whether it be cafe or, you know, temporary food truck spaces, something that can create a destination. 00:34:30
There's a lot of discussion within these paseos of discovery and creating these moments where you know you're walking down the 00:34:40
street in your head, you see something going on and you're drawn to it and you kind of move into the space to explore. And so that 00:34:48
idea of activation plays a key role in that. So here you see kind of an edge condition, lifting the building up, setting it above 00:34:55
the public space a little bit, having that separation, we're looking at doing some temporary installations. 00:35:03
For where that future building footprint would sit, actually bringing in nursery trees where we can have some shape but then also. 00:35:10
Establish kind of a tree system that then those are used you know for the next phase of development and and either the streetscape 00:35:21
or or in the courtyards. So you'll kind of see those boxes and that's what that's meant to show is basically bringing in those 00:35:27
grocery trees letting them continue to mature on site and creating some immediate scale so you don't feel like you're just 00:35:33
adjacent to. 00:35:38
Kind of a temporary parking lot condition. 00:35:44
I'll not see this. These are the lights. These are what we call the Canary Lights, so. 00:35:48
Lights that are lighting up this paseo that are basically on cable, but a lot of times they'll go from a building. In this case we 00:35:54
don't have another building to connect them to, so we're showing. 00:35:59
These these posts that that may come out when the next building comes. 00:36:04
Exactly. That would be kind of a temporary solution until the next building would come over. 00:36:10
So creating these little gathering spaces, you know flex spaces where you can have outdoor study, outdoor seating and focus on 00:36:17
kind of how those scoops interact with with those spaces. 00:36:23
Yeah. So this is just a future. We did a study kind of day one with the parking lot in the future how that that next building 00:36:36
could stitch in and kind of create that close that seat to create what is this public courtyard that? 00:36:43
You could be under into. 00:36:51
Then here's this kind of the point Jeff was making earlier too, about this idea of these good conditions and varying St. 00:36:58
conditions and making it feel very, you know, occupiable as those uncomfortable to be that ground floor resident, but also very 00:37:05
vibrant to walk by and engage with, looking at different levels of planting, looking at different levels of. 00:37:13
You know, wall and ornamental fence to bring some variety of character into that experience. So this is walking kind of down that 00:37:22
sale. 00:37:25
And again how it wraps providing that kind of overlook and and activity. So as your meanders through the spaces people are dining, 00:37:35
they're studying and you're you're you have that eyes on the the open space scale. 00:37:41
All right. 00:37:55
So this is South of Block 8. Looking at the fire lane connection, we've been doing some studies, you know, understanding the the 00:37:56
demands of the fire lane, how we can work with those constraints to create visual interest mid block. So we don't have these kind 00:38:05
of long passages of, you know, just pavement. We're creating kind of these destinations. So these notes that again draw you 00:38:13
through spaces and and add to that idea of meandering through a community. 00:38:21
So if you flip through these, these are just quick studies on your kind of fire lane demand versus how we can change pavement 00:38:29
materials and try to bring some softness within that 20 foot character or that 20 foot zone. 00:38:36
Sorry, let me go back. 00:38:45
Yeah, you're you're good. So again, the building to the right is just there as a future placeholder. Building to the left is. 00:38:48
You know block 8. 00:38:57
Getting it, you can see that bike, the dedicated bike land that is important in the foreground. 00:39:01
He just gives you a good sense of scale from an architectural perspective as Jeff mentioned, you know part of the original master 00:39:07
plan and some of the urban design principles that just specifically put forward is always creating kind of these destinations or 00:39:14
these viewpoints that bring you through and trying to limit the amount of kind of these straight shot corridors. So again getting 00:39:22
that future context and helps understand what these what these corridors will ultimately feel like. 00:39:29
OK, let's jump into 14. 00:39:38
So Jeff and Jeff, do you guys want to take? 00:39:44
Probably show your your elevations because I think these ones are are dated back to June. 00:39:51
I think we should have sent you an updated ones. You may have them because you're the ones you have to block able to update. 00:39:58
Yeah, the renderings won't be updated, but both straight on elevations. Oh yeah, OK, good point. 00:40:04
Let's get to those. 00:40:10
14 You see, that's the entire block that the proposed first place here is the bottom left hand corner directly across the street 00:40:13
and adjacent blockade. 00:40:17
Yeah. 00:40:24
Yeah, these are, these are updated elevations. That's correct. 00:40:30
Yeah, the top elevation is donate. Brandon was just going through the pedestrian peso like creates a courtyard. So the middle 00:40:37
portion of this elevation is actually a courtyard a cut in and that building, you know right and left section. This is at the 00:40:44
elevation. On the top are the two wings of the building that come out the elevation on the bottom side is the north elevation. 00:40:51
This again brings in brick and nicer materials on face to accent the pedestrian experience on the first floor. 00:40:58
The top elevation here is is facing Concord so as the major roadway St. front elevation again with the main building entry and 00:41:07
then retail, commercial retail component on the bottom right hand corner of that elevation on the 1st floor. And then the bottom 00:41:14
elevation is the South elevation along what you call 3rd St. Bronson which shows again variety in the building facade and good 00:41:22
ground level engagement on the streetscape. I think the rendering starts to shift some of that. 00:41:29
Well, these are some of the interior internal renovations, probably less of a concern with inside the courtyards. 00:41:41
Again this is the this is the elevation or the perspective of the building you see on the left hand side of the pedestrian paseo 00:41:53
that leads down which double S as a as a power length that Brandon was just going over and reviewing the building is is kind of a 00:42:00
strict corner that occupies the the hard corner of the pedestrian area and then the ground level here you see all the student 00:42:07
conditions with kind of an enhanced landscape and and pedestrians along the ground level. 00:42:14
Turn on the right hand portion of this rendering is Concorde on this elevation sort of marches down Concord. So your mid rock on 00:42:21
Concord here you see on the left hand side of the rendering this is block 14 with the major the main entrance into at the ground 00:42:27
level into the apartments in the lobby and the building on the right hand side while it isn't updated is the block 8A. So what 00:42:33
you're saying I think the next window will be on the vehicular intersection but this so this is looking at block 14 from that 00:42:39
major. 00:42:46
Concord and 3rd intersection with the ground level retail space. 00:42:53
That shows on the hard corner and then what four stories of residential on on about the retail space. And again, this is the soup 00:42:57
conditions in the street tree and you know that pedestrian condition along the street state to the right and through the left 00:43:03
here, these are both vehicular roadways. 00:43:09
And this is the perspective looking at the east side of the building from the southeast corner, which shows that indent in the 00:43:19
building with the and then the outdoor public pedestrian small Plaza here that leads to the internal pause of the building. And 00:43:25
again, you've got a condition where pedestrians can cross the street to the left and Block 8 would be on the left hand side of 00:43:31
this render, but it shows that southeast corner of the and on the right hand side would be the surface parking lot. 00:43:38
Yeah. And I'm not where that surface parking lot is. They, you know, it's back over here to the right. But that's where if you 00:43:46
look at the little key here, that's where the future building will go. It kind of corresponds with the. 00:43:52
With 14 here 14 D. 00:43:59
And again this is from the northeast corner taking the right hand side, is the pedestrian for sale on the north corner or the 00:44:05
north side at block 14 and the left hand side is the pedestrian Paseo leading S 4:00 eight. And on that on that hard left of this 00:44:13
would be where the future phase would fill in and the day one is is the parking area here at the surface parking area. 00:44:21
Yeah, this is the quote of the northern side of the elevation with the pedestrian paseo leading east to West. On the right hand 00:44:33
side of this rendering would be Concorde and then as it leave the flood across the left hand side would be accessing that other 00:44:40
pedestrian connection of this is the east West pedestrian corridor along the north edge block 14 again with the ground level scoot 00:44:47
condition for the residents so. 00:44:53
So just to point out, we have made some minor changes to some of those elevations and we'll get those updated and renderings for 00:45:02
the next. 00:45:06
OK, so this is just a landscape illustration showing temporary parking here. 00:45:17
One thing we don't show is the temporary parking. It'll be to the north. 00:45:23
And then Brandon, you want to walk us through courtyards and Paseo landscape. 00:45:27
Yeah, so that Paseo continues NS. You know, ultimately that Paseo will be down into the promenade as well. There's a lot of 00:45:35
north-south connections that all kind of leads to park space. And then this courtyard is again in the spirit of working with other 00:45:43
courtyards is vastly different if you keep flipping through, it's really about creating a forest landscape inside of a building. 00:45:51
It's like it's. 00:46:02
Blowing steel for you. These are just going to be the black and white. Yeah, with a little bit more. 00:46:05
Yeah, there you go with a little bit more focus on children's play and outdoor kind of relaxation and study areas. 00:46:10
Again, those are kind of overall circulation diagrams for the block how they stitch and kind of went through that on the block 00:46:23
eight step. 00:46:26
Concord St. same St. we already looked at as it runs up by 14. Same thing with third is. 00:46:33
So 8 is on one side of third and 14 is on the north side of third. 00:46:40
Correct, Yeah. Yeah. There's continuity on Concord St. on 3rd Street, Is it? They kind of bisect the two buildings? 00:46:47
So some of these. 00:46:56
Oh, there we go. That's cool. Yeah. So there we go. So yeah, so that just kind of shows the character of. 00:47:00
That central courtyard, which is more of a meander landscape that all these courtyards, kind of all these front doors to these 00:47:07
units spill out into this forest like landscape that has play elements and hammocks and seating areas and fire pits. And it's a, 00:47:13
like I said, a much different experience than the more active courtyard, again meant to be part of an overall system of open 00:47:19
spaces. 00:47:24
Just some kind of eye level images of how that could look. 00:47:37
Continue through. 00:47:44
Just have some unique seating elements and unique gathering elements. 00:47:46
So here shows the connection between the Block 8 and Block 14 Paseo, where phase one we were showing those trees and boxes with 00:47:52
some G and a temporary solution. Here we're showing kind of an open turf area and a temporary solution. So you're picking up some 00:47:59
usable community space. So again, game area just kind of wreck outdoor space. 00:48:07
That will ultimately be or could ultimately be, you know, the next phases of construction, but used for activity day one. 00:48:16
Can you come through? 00:48:28
They continue to kind of flip through. And so where the other courtyard was kind of relying on this, you know, activating point 00:48:32
that might be a food truck or or building. This is really more about creating some unique forms that you know play with the 00:48:40
architecture and areas to sit and study and plug in. There's an idea of a small gathering note or stage in this one that you know 00:48:47
you can have very impromptu performances. 00:48:54
Within this area, not that you have like full on, you know, stages, but something that supports kind of impromptu artists again. 00:49:02
More about climbing and casual seating and studying within this quarter to balance out the more formal kind of cafe look of the 00:49:13
other Paseo court. 00:49:19
OK. I think that might be the last of the renderings. 00:49:31
I think the these next ones are just the civil engineering. 00:49:36
Files. 00:49:41
I don't know if you want to go through these. 00:49:43
I don't know, more pretty pictures. I think that's. 00:49:47
I think that might be it. 00:49:55
I guess while we're clicking through these, these these plans are. 00:50:04
Currently being reviewed by the engineering department, this is the roadway Phase 2C project that that will be. So I guess kind of 00:50:08
the the way we go about these projects is the roads come in first. 00:50:15
How do we get the roads built? And then then we'll come in and build these two buildings after. So in this area the first thing 00:50:23
you'll see is like. 00:50:27
Sewer and water and storm drain going in and then we'll pave those and then you'll start to see the vertical construction coming 00:50:33
up after that. 00:50:36
OK, Habitat, is it? 00:50:44
All right. Just a couple of questions. As far as going vertical, when do you guys plan to go vertical on this? 00:50:48
We, we really wanted to be going vertical this year, but just because of some some design changes that we decided to make, it's 00:50:57
postponed it. That's why you know we submitted in June hoping to be able to be through and going vertical this year, but it's 00:51:04
probably going to push till next spring okay and then as far as this is a question that has come up a lot and. 00:51:12
The amount of units that will be for sale and units that will be rentals. 00:51:20
These these phases that I'm pretty sure they're all rentals, OK, both phases. Are there any plans of making it possible to 00:51:25
purchase them in the future or what is I think I think there is always the possibility of that okay, the current plan is that 00:51:32
they'll be for rent. There are other phases that we are already planning for, for sale condos. 00:51:40
We just we're not to a point to bring those in yet like on Block 4 where the grocery store is some of those units we're looking at 00:51:48
for sale, OK. OK. And then as far as parking? 00:51:56
With this phase, you guys will be coming up on the parking study that needs to be done because this will put you over 500 units. 00:52:05
As far as management, do you have a management plan yet has is there any way you can see the management plan and what are your 00:52:12
plans for the entire area is a whole because currently? 00:52:19
As I drove by today, some of your streets are already starting to get lined with cars over by the UTA station. Yeah, I don't know 00:52:27
exactly what the plan is on parking. It will definitely be managed. It will be managed by the building, so by the property 00:52:35
management company of the building. I imagine it'll be permitted. So if you don't have a permit, you get towed. Would it is, I 00:52:42
think, what you're talking about, but. 00:52:49
In that parking study, I'm sure we can articulate. 00:52:57
What that management looks like, OK, so five and six that I guess to clarify it'll that parking city will come up after 500 CFO's 00:53:01
are issued and you're right it'll be in either Building 8 or 14 whichever 1 finishes first and and at that point we would engage 00:53:09
parking consultant to go in and perform the study and then. 00:53:16
And I think it's, I think it's a mutually agreed upon consultant. It's not you know somebody that we go, yeah, fine that's gonna 00:53:24
favor us. It's gonna be somebody that us in the city were killer to. 00:53:30
Decide who that consultant is to do that study. OK, so is the management gonna be building by building or is it gonna be as a 00:53:36
whole for the entire area, like these temporary stalls that were all these surface parking stalls? They would be by the building 00:53:43
because they're gonna be owned by that building until another phase of construction goes in, like a parking structure, then comes 00:53:49
online. And I'm sure with the parking structure there will be a component of public use that's shared with those residential 00:53:55
users. 00:54:02
I guess one thing to point out too is while we're building 5 and six and eight and 14, the first park will come online. So that's 00:54:10
the Block 5 park. 00:54:15
We're hoping to start construction on that. 00:54:22
As the city as a whole and we're going to be examining the street parking, the public street parking in the downtown as part of 00:55:08
that and what kind of parking implementation programs we want to see there. OK. So for the I guess for the road I guess next to 00:55:14
UTA would the city be responsible for that or would your guys right now that is that's a it's a private St. yeah. And so we will 00:55:20
need to come up with a we didn't we didn't perceive cars parking on it yet but the front runner station has been so successful 00:55:26
that. 00:55:33
We need to. 00:55:39
There, there is public parking like in that street, but what we're thinking is we probably just need to get those solid striped 00:55:41
and. 00:55:46
That's some kind of enforcement going on there, but it is, I mean it's safe for them to park there as long as they're kind of in 00:55:51
the designated spots. So you know, getting those lines painted is would be important, but like especially around the corners where 00:55:57
it's going to be, you know, hard for the bus to come out if cars are parked there. 00:56:03
You're saying it's a little very strict. OK, I'm mostly just worried as far as your commercial area, the commercial parking would 00:56:09
be public parking. I see a lot of it would be street parking. I worry that. 00:56:16
People from these units would either be parking in the in that public parking, or people from units even outside the development 00:56:24
would be parking in that public parking so. 00:56:29
I working with the city. I think we really need to come up with a management plan for the public areas that are currently private 00:56:35
but will eventually become public. Yeah, so I'm with. So with the parking master plan, they're going to help us with developing 00:56:42
kind of the programming for public parking. The private side. I would if you could come back in two weeks. 00:56:49
And and also with when we do the parking study after 500 units, does that, is that just a study for their, the parking stalls 00:57:28
attached to the building or is that a study for the public parking around the building too because it's flowing into the public 00:57:35
parking around the building, It's so the parking study will count for everything but what the parking study is going to do. So 00:57:42
it's going to look at you know the the public and the private parking, but it's going to look at the demand generated per unit. 00:57:49
And So what it what it does is if the parking study comes back and and they're not managing sorry they're not managing their the 00:57:56
parking well and you're getting a much higher requirement that's that then is in the code then automatically bump bumps up the 00:58:02
parking requirement for the next buildings. 00:58:08
And so it was set up like that by the council so that essentially the parking right side was. And it puts a lot of responsibility 00:58:14
on the developer to have a high level of management because if they don't, they're going to be paying a lot for for additional 00:58:20
parking. Well, yeah, it's definitely in our best interest. The last thing we want to have is a parking issue up there. And then 00:58:27
you know we we start having people say don't don't go there because you can't park. 00:58:33
So we, we definitely want to be on top of the management, yeah. And that's kind of why I bring it up especially with the public 00:58:40
that what will be future public parking managing that as well. Now having a plan for that because if the traffic study is gonna 00:58:47
measure that as well, I figured that would be important for you guys to be managing that as soon as possible. 00:58:54
Those are my big questions. Did anybody else have any questions or? 00:59:06
I have a couple for the. 00:59:12
For all the walkways you know other than what's on, you know the main road, Concord. But for the seven foot sidewalk, 8 foot, 12 00:59:14
foot and a Paseo, are those private, with like public easements for walking? Or those are those public walkways entirely? What 00:59:20
What's the actual? 00:59:25
Yeah. So we're actually working out from like the the overall programming how we we we set up the ownership. There's no matter 00:59:32
what it's going to be public, so open to the public, but whether or not you'll have you know like sidewalks and and the and the 00:59:39
the thoroughfares. 00:59:46
And it's even such much. 00:59:54
Oh, hey, there we go. OK. 00:59:57
Blinders on. And so we're working out kind of the ownership structure of the right away. And so we should have some answers 01:00:01
hopefully fairly soon on how the actual ownership is. But it'll be everything will be publicly accessible whether it's privately 01:00:09
owned and with public easements or if it's publicly owned just just right out. So and and you know you might see a combination of 01:00:16
of that back and forth. 01:00:23
We're looking at the promenade. Does it make sense to have the promenade itself still be open to the public? But. 01:00:31
Privately owned. 01:00:37
Yeah, but but then maintained at a much higher level than what the city could do or is it publicly owned and then we work with the 01:00:40
the developer to do like a special assessment or something in that area that will help generate funds to maintain a higher level 01:00:48
of of infrastructure there. And so hopefully we'll have some things worked out. We've we've kind of gone back and forth on on how 01:00:55
how it's worked out. So I I think the hope is in the next few months to be able to have have an agreement in place so we know. 01:01:03
Ownership and then just overall maintenance agreement. 01:01:12
Well, one of the concerns I have just for future consideration is as you build a big downtown, you need public squares. We saw 01:01:15
this during COVID and during just the BLM movement. No matter what side you're on, you need places for people to go. So the 01:01:22
questions about what's public, what's private, we have a lot of residents down there. Do we have places where they can go and 01:01:29
freely express whatever opinions they have and and not necessarily vent out? 01:01:36
Because we have a lot of other public parks, you can go do and do that. But if we don't have places downtown where they can freely 01:01:44
go and, you know won't be removed because it's private, the question is where do they go then? 01:01:48
So that's my concern is making sure we have what's public, what's private. It's private, there's public easements and it's clear 01:01:55
that people can be there and whether they live there or people going back and forth between different aspects of communities and 01:02:00
vineyards be able to freely flow. Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head too. That's a really important part of the 01:02:05
conversation. 01:02:10
Might be where I'm sitting. 01:02:17
I'll just try to speak a little bit louder. 01:02:21
The other thing too, is we're seeing a pretty strong optic nationwide. 01:02:25
And we understand how do we, you know, how do we deal with the problems as well in in in the city that's that's an issue that's 01:02:33
been there all all cities. 01:02:39
So you know that that that's part of the conversation too. 01:02:46
1 other Do you know when we we'd have an idea of where future parking? 01:02:54
Structures would possibly be located. You may not have to plan where you're thinking they would be location wise to these blocks, 01:03:01
well, I don't know. 01:03:06
In like in eight and 14, it'll be in those. These are basically like quadrants of the block. So we kind of split them into fours 01:03:12
with those paseos coming through. So parking structures would be either in two of those blocks. It all kind of depends on. 01:03:21
What some of the other uses are happening in those buildings if those all go residential or if there's any office components in 01:03:32
there, those are all like considerations in and then our. 01:03:37
We started looking at like what's our most efficient? 01:03:43
Parking structures size and shape and and can we get you know liner buildings around those so that we don't have just this solo 01:03:47
parking structure out on the street that's kind of ugly to look at. We'll we'll be putting liner buildings so those parking 01:03:53
structures are hidden behind. 01:03:59
Buildings, the entrances into those will be, you know, very clearly marked so people know where to go to park in the structure, 01:04:05
but. 01:04:09
It's all. It's all kind of a function of that. 01:04:14
Like very efficient shape and size and then the buildings that are lining it, whether it's retail or office or residential. 01:04:17
So on these two particular blocks, I know we'll have one in one of the other three quadrants, but I don't know where it will be 01:04:26
yet. Thank you. Yeah. 01:04:31
Could be a wise move to do so. I'd encourage you to look at that. 01:05:15
And then question clarity on the parking, the 490, some odd stalls or whatever it was that? 01:05:19
In in 14 and then in eight, there was another. 01:05:30
Anyways, about 800 total. Does that include any street parking or is that just the built? 01:05:35
Just the built parking, that's a good question. Janet or Evan, are you guys still on? 01:05:42
Do you have a second? I believe it's just in the plots in the temporary. OK, that's good to hear. The other thing I'd like to 01:05:47
know. OK, thank you. The other thing I think would be beneficial for the next meeting is understanding how many street parking 01:05:55
spots there are as well. It's just always helpful to to understand what's there. Right now, it looks like you're over 2 parking 01:06:02
spots per unit, which you mentioned is higher than the code requires. 01:06:09
But in addition to that, it would be interesting to see the amount of street parking there as well, which will obviously come into 01:06:16
play in the future parking studies. We can include that number in this table here. That'd be helpful. Thank you. 01:06:23
Do you guys have any questions? 01:06:32
All right. So I'm going to open it up for some public comment just to make questions. As a Planning Commission, you try to catch 01:06:38
everything that we can possibly catch. We review these plans. We go through these plans. We're going to have two more weeks to go 01:06:45
through these plans and when they come in for a site plan approval. But we can miss things. And that's why it's awesome to have 01:06:51
public that is involved that cares about projects like this. 01:06:58
So if you want to come up and ask any questions or make any comments on maybe some things that we've missed, I'll give you two or 01:07:05
three minutes. 01:07:11
If your comments are, I don't like. 01:07:18
The name of the city or I don't. I think that there should be more parking or I wish it was this color or I don't like that 01:07:21
there's going to be a downtown in this area. Those aren't the comments we're looking for. 01:07:26
This was approved a long time ago. There within the zoning codes, this can be built as they've described it today. 01:07:34
We're just going through it to make sure that all the details are are correct. So if you have any comments on things that we might 01:07:43
have missed, please come up, state your name and I'll write down your questions. 01:07:49
And ask your questions after, yeah. 01:07:54
Janine Broxton My question and and it may be known by you guys but I don't know is you know there's a lot of beautiful planters 01:08:08
like in front of the Stoops and stuff. Who are the who's going to maintain all of that? 01:08:16
I won't normally do a back and forth, but I'll just answer that real quick. That's what we're trying to decide. Or you can answer 01:08:25
that. OK, yeah, he can answer that after. 01:08:31
Do you have any other questions? No. OK, Thank you. 01:08:37
So I had a couple questions #1. 01:08:50
State your name real quick. Sorry. Tyler Harrelson. I have an Edgewater. You're good. Sorry. 01:08:55
The first one is sort of a question and a suggestion. A lot of sort of. I think there was one building that had ground floor 01:09:02
retail. Do we know if that's going to be exclusive for a particular use or if it's going to be more flexible? I would like to see 01:09:09
something that can be, maybe it starts out as a restaurant, it can turn into a Barber shop or whatever happens in as the needs of 01:09:16
the community changed over time. But I wasn't sure what the deal was there. Another question. 01:09:23
So there's been this is built over the Geneva steel site. I was looking over there when like 10-15 years ago when their soil did 01:09:31
soil testing is pretty concerning there would be like. 01:09:38
The EPA has their action level is I don't know 30 parts per million of arsenic and they'd say the the top recorded was like 10,000 01:09:45
or something. I know they spent or from what I've told they spent a lot of money cleaning this up. It's been a long time and or 01:09:53
it's been several decades but I haven't been able to find any follow up on especially particular sites what the the after soil 01:10:02
tests have been and I'm sure that's a requirement. I know the EPA is not. 01:10:10
They will not allow you to build without having the soil samples below their their required levels, but I just haven't seen any 01:10:19
public. 01:10:24
At least as far as I've been able to find anything public that has said what they actually are at and kind of showed us an after 01:10:30
test. So that's another one. And then you mentioned the parking issue with concerns about residents parking right outside on the 01:10:36
street parking, I kind of had that same question. 01:10:42
So you asked it, but I did. As I was sitting there, I thought of you could put in parking meters with a pretty small. 01:10:49
Fee like maybe $0.50 an hour or something. Just enough to disincentivize someone from parking there, especially overnight over a 01:10:56
long time. But regardless of what you do, I'd like to hear a follow up on what happens. Cool. Thanks. Thanks, Tyler. 01:11:03
Any other public comments or questions or? 01:11:15
All right. Thank you, guys. So. Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:11:19
Harry Broxton I'm a resident and and my concern is parking and it sounds like. 01:11:28
Less than two per unit is what the code says. 01:11:36
And these are all rentals. Everything is a rental. 01:11:42
How many bedrooms? How big are these units because we've lived in? 01:11:45
Communities in Provo, what's going to happen is they're going to rent the four singles. 01:11:51
And there's going to be 4 cars on every one of these units. Where are they going to park? 01:11:56
And we've had that issue. That's why we've moved out of a certain area in Provo because of that very issue. 01:12:05
Is that is that your only question or did you have any? 01:12:14
I lost a big one. 01:12:16
Where are all these rentals going to park these cars? 01:12:19
So. 01:12:24
If with with the rentals, say for instance that they were for sale, than a person could essentially rent out their units with it 01:12:26
being managed by a single company or owning a single building and renting out all the units. It's just their management plan and 01:12:33
like we were talking about earlier if they don't manage it correctly. 01:12:40
As a parking study, that's done after every 500 units and if they don't manage it correctly and too many people are parking their 01:12:49
units after 500. 01:12:52
Than in the next phase of their development, the next 500 units they have to up their parking by a bunch, which is a huge cost for 01:12:56
them. So it's very it's they have a huge incentive to manage their parking correctly. 01:13:02
And therefore manage the rentals, correct? Correct. So how many can rent one one place? And another thing, it's hard to see on 01:13:10
this, but there's a breakdown in the report of how many are studio apartments, which you would assume there would be 4 in there, 01:13:19
but 22 bedrooms would be more likely to have more people than the studio, right. Some of the breakdowns in there, Yeah, OK. 01:13:28
It's a real it's a real concern. 01:13:37
It's a concern for the city and we're trying to do as many things as we possibly can to help alleviate that. 01:13:39
Thank you. 01:13:45
Bryce, would you like me to run through? Yeah. So first question from Janay was planning to boxes maintenance. Yeah, that's a 01:13:51
great question. Just like with most people you'll have a park strip in front of your yard and even though it's public space, 01:13:58
you're still responsible to maintain your your park strip. Similar with with with with like a apartment buildings the park strips 01:14:04
and in front of. 01:14:11
Apartment buildings of the public right of way are maintained by those if you go on Mill Rd. The Four. 01:14:18
Mill Point, Mill Point, Concord Divine Alloy. 01:14:24
All those maintain their landscape and actually they they do a really good job and that that's something that we've stayed on top 01:14:27
of quite a bit on the City side. So regardless of ownership ownership, they're still responsible for maintaining their 01:14:32
landscaping. 01:14:36
Let's see, Tyler had asked about the ground floor retail. Those are being so and Bronson is welcome to to jump up after after I 01:14:42
speak but or you can get now, but the the the ground floor is being preserved. 01:14:50
So they'll be grease traps and they're they're set up so that they can host a commercial use and the idea is that those are places 01:14:59
where you have cafes and restaurants. 01:15:03
My understanding is that. 01:15:10
Initially until like the market gets there, many of those will be either like the leasing office or will be a gym. They'll have 01:15:13
some sort of use that'll then convert to a restaurant or some sort of retail use when when the when the market. 01:15:21
Gets there, but they may have a plan to just do one now because they talked about it being kind of themed around kind of the cafe 01:15:29
use. The other theme is about the contamination of the soil. So this side if you we recently took a tour of their of their 01:15:37
warehouse where they have all their historic files and everything for for Geneva like the the steel mill and it was it was really 01:15:44
kind of interesting to go through those provisions. So they have. 01:15:52
Everything is categories and and all of our permitting is, is, is there. Now whether or not it's available to the public I think 01:16:00
that's something that Bronson can can answer but I I I believe that you should be able to to access those and then we have. 01:16:09
A follow up on the on the public parking. So I think that's something that that we can answer as we the develop an agreement as 01:16:19
far as how like the public spaces will be utilized. But I would say at least for the next meeting having an answer to the 01:16:26
management of the private parking that's going to be important for the site plan. 01:16:32
And then? 01:16:40
Let's see how how big. 01:16:43
I think there's there's a breakdown and that'll be in the start of the quarter. But if you want to get up, Bronson, you can kind 01:16:47
of answer those questions. Yeah. So this table that's up right here and let's see if I can zoom in here, but it gives you the 01:16:52
breakdown. 01:16:56
So the zero bedroom would be like a studio, the one bedroom and two-bedroom. That's kind of the breakdown. And then the average 01:17:08
unit size there's. 01:17:13
And Janet, I don't know if you want to talk about like how many different floor plans there are, but there's. 01:17:19
There's a lot of variety and floor plans and so those are generally how we categorize the unit is studio, one bedroom, 2 bedroom. 01:17:25
Yeah, there is a library. 01:17:36
But you know, just. 01:17:42
Unit size, I mean like the typical studio for us is about 620 square feet, you know, one bedroom maybe 6:50 and 1:00 as you get to 01:17:44
the two bedrooms at 800 square foot range. So they do all kind of dairy in there. But as far as average size per unit type, that's 01:17:52
about what it works down to. 01:17:59
Awesome. Thanks Janet. And and to the the question that was asked about, you know, renting to multiple people per unit. 01:18:10
What you said, Bryce, is accurate. That's you know the the advantage of. 01:18:19
Of this ownership structure is that we all these rentals we're planning on owning and we'll hire a property management company to 01:18:24
kind of run that building. But if if we do start to see a problem where a lease agreement is entered into and more people start 01:18:32
showing up, that's something that we can control through the property management company and make sure that that's corrected as 01:18:40
quickly as possible because like like Bryce said, parking is really expensive. 01:18:48
And so when when that parking study comes. 01:18:57
You know, every every stall, every paved style surface parking is probably. 01:19:02
And between 5:00 and $8000 to build, when we go into a parking structure, it's going to be like like $20,000 per stall. So you can 01:19:08
see parking is really expensive and so we want to make sure that the management structure, not only the rental unit and who's 01:19:14
renting, but also. 01:19:20
The parking management is, is a really important piece to the puzzle. And I could say if I'm code enforcement, just as we panel 01:19:27
code enforcement over the last 8-8 years. What we found is where you have a development, you have several owners and that there's 01:19:33
still a lot of a lot of rentals. So there's a lot of investors that buy individual units and they rent them out. That's where 01:19:39
we've seen some really significant parking problems in situations where you have like 1 owner. So it's an apartment complex that 01:19:45
has like 11 management. 01:19:51
Those tend to be a lot better. We did have an issue with one of our apartment complexes about five years ago and we worked with 01:19:57
them on adding some more parking and developing a program where they could can manage it at a higher level. And so if you go on 01:20:02
Mill Rd. the. 01:20:07
The. 01:20:49
This when this was approved by the city, it was with the intention of having structured parking and there will be structured 01:20:50
parking and if they don't put in structured parking then they have to boost their landscaping by 25%. So I. 01:20:59
OK, cool. Any other questions? 01:22:22
I think it was awesome. Buildings look great. I'm excited to see. 01:22:26
Paseos and everything. 01:22:30
Sure. Yeah. You can ask one more. Yeah. 01:22:34
All right. 01:22:43
What's the longest state? Your name real quick? Tim. Tim Keaton, Yeah. 01:22:45
What's the longest walking time for non residents to reach the furthest part of the development? 01:22:49
Parking time for Res. 01:22:58
I mean for so, so residents presumably get to parking a little bit closer to to where they will live. And for non residents who 01:23:00
are coming to the area, what's the longest walking time from the anticipated parking facilities to the furthest part of the 01:23:05
development? 01:23:10
OK. So that's a great question. We do have the, the parking studies that were conducted when when we did the spec plan and so that 01:23:17
that's something that we can pull out. But we have like a 5 minute and a a 10 minute walking sheds that were mapped in like 3 key 01:23:24
key locations throughout the development. And my my understanding was in within 10 minutes you you can get to from where the 01:23:31
parking structures will be and they'll they'll be 4 to 5 parking structures. 01:23:38
And so you you, you'll be able to say 10 minutes. 01:23:46
Yeah, 5 to 10 minutes, so that the study showed 5 to 10 minute rings. So that might be good to pull that out with the with the 01:23:49
site plan, but I don't necessarily have that information right here. Also earlier was mentioned the housing issue. If the goal was 01:23:57
eventually home ownership, how does having every single thing be a rental address that issue, especially when the number of 01:24:04
residents that can practically live in each unit is very small given the parking restrictions? 01:24:11
You know, if it's people aren't going to live where they can't have a car. 01:24:20
This is not New York City. This is not some large place that's designed for that. People need a car here in the West, so that also 01:24:25
increases the cost per person living in a unit. So I just don't see that this is really a good phase effort to address that issue. 01:24:32
This just seems more like a more like a a money issue, OK. 01:24:40
So I mean, do you have any other questions? That's my question is do you think that that resolves that, that addresses the 01:24:48
homeless issue you have this plan as currently presented even begins to speak to that in a meaningful way, Okay. Do you have any 01:24:54
other questions? 01:25:00
I'm gonna write down all your questions. 01:25:06
Well, sure. 01:25:10
So. 01:25:14
So a couple of things have been talked about. 01:25:16
For getting residents to be able to park near their home if they're you know, we talked about issues of maybe having that be be 01:25:20
restricted exclusively to residents or. 01:25:26
Or having some type of, you know, a fee structure, but if the parking is really that going to be that bad, which I think that it's 01:25:33
going to be. 01:25:38
Then, if those fees are too low, I think a lot of residents would gladly pay a daily fee to have a parking spot in front of their 01:25:44
house, and that's just still not going to resolve the issue. 01:25:51
In my opinion, so. 01:25:59
Is it? Is it being considered that simply non residents will just not get to park on the street period? 01:26:04
And that they'll just have to go to one of those isolated structures and not get to park anywhere near the stores that they're 01:26:12
going to. Is that is that kind of. 01:26:17
The thought process? 01:26:24
We're still working on the parking plan, but I can get into that in more detail. But did you have any other questions? That's it 01:26:27
for now. OK. Thank you, Tim. 01:26:31
So as far as property owners and people being able to own their homes, I absolutely agree 100% and I would like to see more of 01:26:36
this Bronson. 01:26:42
We can talk a little bit about that, Yeah. And we can talk about that. And isn't there at least a percentage of, yeah, so this 01:26:52
area, it received the HTRZ designation from the state and what that's the housing transit redevelopment zone. And what that does 01:26:59
is it is it requires a certain percentage of the housing units to fall within the 80% AMI. Essentially what what's that saying is, 01:27:06
is it it requires like a a. 01:27:14
11.2% of the housing units in this development to fall within a more of a affordable range and so that that you know what will 01:27:23
help and it'll actually designate and require you know that that 11.2% and they'll be state oversight from from from that from 01:27:31
that end Real quick on that just because I don't fully understand. 01:27:39
It's not that rent has to be a certain below a certain thing. And is that below a certain thing for a studio, one bedroom and 01:27:49
two-bedroom? Or is it just. 01:27:53
Just studios for example. Like a studio of course would be a lot less money than a two-bedroom is. Yeah, that's a really good 01:27:57
question. You have to look at exactly how the state, how's that calculated? But it should be for that product type. So cuz yeah, 01:28:02
you could build. 01:28:08
I said tiny. Just a bunch of tiny things and. 01:28:14
Over. 01:28:23
Yeah. So that AMI is air median incomes. What what what essentially happens is you look at kind of your household income for the 01:28:24
area and then it looks at what is a a the 8th percentile of that and then a certain percentage of that and I believe it's 30%. But 01:28:32
there's there's like a legal definition of it. So we we can look at that, but a certain percentage of that income can go towards 01:28:39
housing, it can't, can't be more of that. And so you use that to determine. 01:28:46
What? What? Like it sets essentially like what you can rent. 01:28:54
A housing product for and so essentially kind of the the sum it up. It requires a good deal of those to be more more affordable 01:28:59
than than what just a market rate condition would be cool. 01:29:06
And then, as far as people parking in front of their own home, again, this comes back to management of structures. 01:29:14
Yes, it would be nice for people to be able to own a bunch of cars if they want to own a bunch of cars, but that's not what this 01:29:24
is for. It's for people that actually want to use public transit, people that want to be in a walkable city and. 01:29:31
There are still parking stalls for units, but. 01:29:41
From how this house development is kind of working with Jeff Spec and everything, making this a walkable city cars are kind of. 01:29:46
I don't know. Do you want to talk, talk on that at all, Bronson about kind of, yeah. 01:29:54
Yeah, I don't think any that we expect anyone to come live here to not. 01:29:59
Like you can't have any cars in there. You can't own a car and live here. 01:30:06
I think that's, you know, the what we just went through for the this parking. 01:30:10
Analysis We expect you know certain number of cars providing a certain number of parking stalls based on what we've studied in a 01:30:16
mixed-use environment in Utah. 01:30:21
We also looked at transit oriented developments, which that's that just is a. 01:30:29
A development style that's like around transit. 01:30:37
So either like BRT or commuter rail or light rail? 01:30:40
When we look outside the state of Utah, we see the same thing that you that you brought up that. 01:30:45
Outside of Utah there's it's a lot less and so we we could have been in in in the initial study we could have been more aggressive 01:30:52
and and taking these parking. 01:30:58
Stalls down in numbers, but we didn't feel comfortable doing that and so that's how we got to where we're at. We in Tod's in Utah. 01:31:06
The parking numbers are higher, the the utilization of the parking stalls is higher here in Utah, so. 01:31:17
It's a transit oriented development. So like basically a project that's that's around transit like a bus or a light rail or 01:31:25
computer rail. 01:31:30
Cool. Thanks, Benson. 01:31:36
All right. Any other questions from this is just more of a comment. It sounds kind of silly to say out loud, but I think. 01:31:39
It's this. You're providing 2.03 parking spots per unit. Therefore, if there are more than two cars per unit, they're 100% will be 01:31:47
problems. And so I think that's, that's the crux of it, right, that everyone's getting at is if it's managed so that there's not 01:31:55
more than two cars per unit, then it should work as planned. If there are more than two cars per unit, it will not work as 01:32:03
planned, right? So you know that that seems obvious, but I think like. 01:32:10
At the core, the areas where there's issues are where there's more cars than what it was designed for or built for, so. 01:32:18
Yeah, I'm just stating the obvious there, right. You know that's the easiest way to and to that point if we find in you know after 01:32:28
we go through the parking study that we were way off that we need more parking than we would provide that. 01:32:34
Like I said before we we need this project to be as successful as it possibly can. And so if we if we get into those kind of 01:32:44
issues and those problems, it won't be as successful. And so we need to make sure that we're providing what the market is needing. 01:32:52
And with the with the public parking you were mentioning that people wouldn't be able to park near a restaurant that they wanted 01:33:00
to stay at. I think it is again super important that the city comes up with a solid parking plan for the area. 01:33:08
So that people can park near commercial where they want to park and so that. 01:33:17
Residents aren't parking in these stalls. That should be for public use for everybody. 01:33:23
So, OK. Any other questions? 01:33:30
Thank you so much, Bonson. Yeah. 01:33:33
OK, yeah, if you can make it quick. 01:33:40
Hi Karen Cornelius. I'm a resident and I asked this question and make this comment at most every meeting I come to, but it appears 01:33:48
to me that in the two years that I've been here, there's lots of retrofitting that takes place in Vineyard. My question is why are 01:33:57
these parking structures being put in place after the fact and not when the buildings are built? Why is the parking not? 01:34:06
At that point in time being built so that we've averted that problem and we move on to the next building. Did you have any other 01:34:14
questions? 01:34:18
Yes. 01:34:23
Why is it that as a city we have to accept this transit, whatever the? 01:34:26
The verbiage was to use because we have a rail. Because we have the rail here. I don't understand why as a city we have to accept 01:34:35
that distinction and then live by everything the governor asked. Because the governor actually takes some of our autonomy and our 01:34:43
freedom of a as a city away because we have that rail. And I don't understand how that is fair to the taxpayers. Thanks. OK, thank 01:34:51
you. As far as the that most recent question, it'd probably be best to talk to staff about that as the. 01:35:00
Umm, why we're doing that Tod or why we're working with transit? Because that we could have another hour and a half long meeting 01:35:09
about that. And then as far as parking structures, I can answer that real quick. They're incredibly expensive to build and. 01:35:18
I mean, they're expensive to build. Say, say that you were just starting a business and you have no money, you just started the 01:35:28
business you're selling. 01:35:32
Just sorry. 01:35:38
Say you're just starting a business and this is every business. Every business you talk to is going to start, and they're going to 01:35:40
need a loan and they're going to need to do these things. You can't build huge things without having some kind of money up front 01:35:46
first. So it makes sense that they're doing it the way that they're doing it. 01:35:52
Why build a parking structure if it's not going to get used for five years or seven years? It just from a financial point of view 01:35:58
doesn't really make sense. 01:36:02
They are meeting the parking codes and they're building it's surface parking. There is parking that's being built and it's service 01:36:08
parking and it meets the parking code right now, so. 01:36:14
Cool. All right. So again, thank you, Bronson for. 01:36:21
Answer no questions and thank you, Morgan. 01:36:27
We will move on to. 01:36:31
Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure. 01:36:35
Anything to report from the Commission? 01:36:39
No. 01:36:43
Nope. All right. Wanted to introduce Bradley Fagg. This is his first meeting on the Planning Commission. He's an alternate that 01:36:45
just got put on for the Planning Commission. So welcome. 01:36:51
OK. If there are no, do we have any staff reports or? 01:36:59
I know we don't, All right. OK. Seeing as there are is nothing. 01:37:03
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Welcome, everybody. It is Wednesday, October 4th. It is 6:01 PM and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. I will give 00:00:02
an invocation and then we'll have the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:07
Tell me Father, we're thankful that we could be here today to discuss some things that are going on in Vineyard City and please 00:00:14
bust us as we go through these plans that we'll be inspired as to the decisions that needs to be made and to the things that need 00:00:21
to be looked at. Please bless us that we'll know what those decisions are. We're thankful for the city and all those that 00:00:29
volunteer the people that have come out to voice their to have their voices heard and to that actually care about the city and. 00:00:36
Want to make it a better place? We're thankful for city staff and police and the firefighters. And please bless them and Father in 00:00:45
love thee. And they say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:00:50
All right. 00:00:58
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:01:03
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:09
All right, we'll move right into an open session. This is the time for residents to make public comments on something that is not 00:01:18
on the agenda. So if you have comments that are not on the agenda, come up, state your name and where you're from, and try to keep 00:01:23
it limited to 3 minutes. 00:01:27
The work session today, It's not a public hearing. 00:01:42
But we also. 00:01:46
That's supposed to comment on things on the agenda. 00:01:48
So with with the work session for the downtown blocks, I might open it up for some comments on things that we might miss. But as 00:01:54
far as things is like is this building allowed or parking and stuff like that, I'm not gonna open it up for comments like that 00:02:00
because it's already been approved. If you have comments other than that, I am gonna open it up for some kind of comments like 00:02:06
that when we get into that. 00:02:12
In that case, for now, just state your name just for the record you're good. 00:02:19
Not. 00:02:28
Cool. Thank you. 00:02:51
Any other public comments? 00:02:55
And 3.1 site plan for the downtown blocks 8 and 14. 00:03:01
This great doctor. Thank you, Sir. Appreciate it. 00:03:07
Is so is the developer. Are they both on online? Is it how they're presenting? I believe the Bronson should be walking into this 00:03:13
room right now to present. 00:03:18
Yeah, it's a fashion view. 00:03:26
So, yeah, thank you, Chair. So we're going to be discussing blocks 8 and 14. Those are the the next two within kind of the phase 00:03:31
of development within the within these earlier phases. 00:03:38
And so they're under site plan and So what we're looking at tonight is to provide a presentation so that you're familiar with the 00:03:46
project, you can you can ask any questions. Staff has has done a review cash, I don't know if you have Rachel's comments, but I 00:03:53
but I believe what she said is that she went through and you know and looking at all like the dimensional standards that she had 00:04:00
should work with Bronson's team and they they've gone through a couple iterations. 00:04:08
To make sure that the zoning code was in compliance. So pretty much this is a prescriptive review where you look at the zoning 00:04:15
requirements and do the checklist boxes. The plan is to have them come back in two weeks for the formal site plan review. But this 00:04:22
is we know that with the large projects Commission is asked to do a work session before you're you're asked to make a decision on 00:04:29
this. So that's that's what this is time. So thanks Morgan. 00:04:36
Hey, Ranson. 00:04:44
Good evening. How can you be here? 00:04:46
Looks like you've got Jeff Grant, who's with Nelson Partners. 00:04:50
One of our architects and. 00:04:55
Looks like Janet is trying to get in, so it's hard. 00:04:59
Yeah, yeah, here with me. Oh ****. 00:05:02
OK, awesome. Do you guys want to pull up the staff report or do you want the architects to pull up site plans? Will you be able to 00:05:05
share that screen to the three monitors? 00:05:11
What do you want to? 00:05:23
Yeah. 00:05:26
He he can share right there and everyone should be able to say. 00:05:29
I was just gonna say also while he's pointing it up, I know some of the things that folks are going to be interested in. So just 00:05:33
answering the questions before they even arises, how many units, how many parking stalls, those types of things. I know it's in 00:05:39
the public record that they already sent out and posted online, but that would be a good thing to cover. 00:05:44
So just in context of where this is at, I don't know if anything has been shown yet for I'm sorry I got here just a little late, 00:05:56
but this is so blocks five and six are are you proved in under construction if you come in on Main Street and you go down the 00:06:02
promenade, which is the open space that connects the train station to the lake? 00:06:09
Five and six are to the South of that. 00:06:18
And these two blocks, these two buildings 8 and 14 are north of the promenade on the same St. that goes up from 5:00 and 6:00. 00:06:20
So. 00:06:32
Say anything wrong but in block 14? Whoa. 00:06:41
And stereo. 00:06:49
Block 14 we've got a total of. 00:06:54
464 parking stalls or no that is that that's unit Jeff. 00:06:59
OK, so the count right there that called count 234. Here I'll use the mouse. 00:07:08
So this one, this one's the parking up is the. 00:07:16
Maybe this has it all, but it was a little clearer on the. 00:07:21
Are you? I think you're right. This is this is the parking table. Oops. 00:07:25
What's the patient about? It is for me it was a little clear on the unit count. 00:07:32
Sorry. 00:07:44
Well, this is. 00:07:51
Let's get back to. 00:07:54
Oh, maybe one of these buttons to go back to the full page. 00:07:57
This one. 00:08:04
There's the context map is on there too, which is helpful. 00:08:08
So. 00:08:14
Yes. 00:08:18
So the UM. 00:08:22
Main Street is located right here, where the hand is. 00:08:24
If you can see that on the screen, OK, you can see that moving the promenade is here's the train station over here to the east, 00:08:28
and the promenade goes down out to the lake. 00:08:34
And then this is Block 8 and then over here in this exhibit, Block 14 is just north of eight. 00:08:39
And these buildings are are like 1/4 of those two blocks, so I. 00:08:47
The first block 8 building is 8A and it's on the northwest corner of of this block and then 14B is on the southwest corner of of 00:08:56
that block. 00:09:03
So here you can see the net square footages of each building and. 00:09:11
Average unit sizes. 00:09:17
And then the total unit count. 00:09:19
Or unblock 8 Building 8A is 184. 00:09:22
Building 14 B is 234 or a total of 418. 00:09:29
And then here are the parking. 00:09:36
Stats I guess. 00:09:41
So you'll see. 00:09:51
Based on a calculation of bedrooms, what the required parking is is 464 on block 14. 00:09:53
367 on block 8 and then what we've provided is 490 on block 14. 00:10:01
And 386 on block 88. 00:10:07
The Building 80. 00:10:11
Any any questions? 00:10:14
So far so far so good. 00:10:16
OK. 00:10:20
So let's go. 00:10:23
To the next. 00:10:27
Pages here. 00:10:28
OK, so. 00:10:32
In Janet, I don't know if you have. 00:10:33
Access to the latest. 00:10:36
Elevations for building 8. 00:10:40
Although it's not that. 00:10:43
These are, yeah, this one is. 00:10:45
Is a little outdated. 00:10:48
Yeah. 00:10:50
Is she able to share? 00:10:53
Are you able to share? 00:11:06
So I was thinking Jeff and Jenna, maybe we can just go through the elevations and then we'll come back and go through the site. 00:11:26
Yep. 00:11:52
The South side of Block 14, I'm sorry, Block 8. This is the South side up against a pedestrian walkway. Pedestrian for sale. 00:12:00
Again, this is kind of a broken up elevation of a number of different iterations of. 00:12:08
As you turn West on the West elevation again as you turn this corner on the left. 00:12:20
This is the West elevation, as if he's there element on the corner that faces the large open park transitions to a little bit of a 00:12:26
different style building with the brick express brick brick moving upward as we move to the north side. Let me see the north side. 00:12:36
Is. 00:12:47
Right here it doesn't have an updated corner. We're a little bit in process right now without revision, but again, it's got units 00:12:49
and and the elevation broken up in three different sections and then we go to the east side. 00:12:56
Which is again has an open courtyard and a pedestrian paseo and then three different sort of styles that you go along the eastern 00:13:04
edge 1 recessing in the courtyard, dealing withholding the two corners. So those will be updated elevation. Yeah, perfect. 00:13:12
OK. 00:13:22
We'll go back for presentation here. 00:13:24
OK. 00:13:42
Where they can see that now. 00:13:44
I'm not seeing anything that's shared right now yet. 00:13:50
Oh, we can see it on our screen. So let me see if I didn't click the button on Teams. 00:13:53
Hey, OK, we'll get that. 00:14:03
OK. So those elevations that we were just looking at are on building 8/8 right here, so. 00:14:07
The kind of courtyard that's out on the Paseo. So I guess for some of the people that are that are here, that may not. 00:14:15
Know some of the terminology that we use, so we've got. 00:14:23
We've got streets and we've got paseos. 00:14:28
And they're. 00:14:30
The streets are. 00:14:33
You know typical streets that you would you'd see around town. We've got on street parking, there's parallel parking on each St. 00:14:35
And then these ten areas are what we call Paseos and those are more pedestrian oriented streets. So there's. 00:14:45
Limited car traffic on those, they're they're more meant for for pedestrian waste. We may have like emergency services in those 00:14:54
areas or or service trucks or that kind of thing. But the sales when we talk about Paseos, those are more pedestrian oriented. So 00:15:02
you know 90% of the time it's just pedestrians and bikes that are in those areas and then. 00:15:10
Cars are out on the streets. 00:15:20
And so. 00:15:24
This this little invention here is a is a courtyard. 00:15:26
That when we come in and we build the next building. 00:15:29
Not necessarily in in. 00:15:33
Chronological order, but in the next in a future phase, you can kind of see the outline of the future building that goes on top of 00:15:36
the the. 00:15:39
Temporary parking, surface parking. It'll kind of create this little courtyard, as the building's kind of. 00:15:44
Playoff of each other and then inside of and that that's kind of happening on both 14 B and 18-8 or 8A. 00:15:51
And they both have an interior courtyard where those courtyards are programmed for well, in this particular case, you're seeing 00:15:59
like a a green lawn. 00:16:04
And some some chairs and so and we'll we'll, I guess we'll get into more detail and we can explain what's happening in each of 00:16:10
these problems. 00:16:14
Are private, whereas the courtyards in the Paseo are public. Am I correct? 00:16:19
Yeah, so those those courtyards and and some of them may be open where the public could like stroll into those, but some of them 00:16:27
will be like key activated for residents only. 00:16:32
In five and six. 00:16:40
Like Block 5, for instance, it's very porous. There's like there's five buildings in in the one block. And so you can kind of 00:16:41
explore your way through that through the paseos. And But yes, there's a certain level of privacy that's inside these courtyards 00:16:49
that are like limited access. But then these paseos, they're not gated, they're just open. 00:16:56
For for anyone to walk through and they they kind of provide this secondary network to get around through Utah City. 00:17:07
Yeah. 00:17:17
A little bit more gears towards family. Some are more geared towards getting quiet, some are geared towards being really active 00:17:41
and loud and and having activity in them. But each one of them will have access across the way for people that live in the in the 00:17:48
community on site between buildings 814 or in the future like a building 13 or 10 would have access to all of those courtyards as 00:17:55
part of a connected community structure throughout all the residential here. Yeah, very good point. 00:18:02
All right. 00:18:11
Oh, we did get some of the updated elevations in here. 00:18:22
Very nice. Thank you for getting those in there. 00:18:25
OK, so these one these are some of the ones that are outdated and for uh. 00:18:29
The meeting in two weeks we'll we'll kind of have the same kind of layout where we're calling out the material like giving you a 00:18:34
material board so you can see. 00:18:39
What those materials are? 00:18:43
Sorry, let me get rid of that little box there, OK? 00:18:47
Even though this elevation is kind of outdated, this, the idea is, is the same here that there's an opportunity for like a corner 00:18:52
cafe in this building where we have tables and chairs, the ability to put tables and chairs out. 00:19:00
Or outside dining. 00:19:09
I mean that would be like, you know, out on the street side. 00:19:12
Got that updated too. So these are some of the landscape plans and? 00:19:24
Lauren, I don't know if you want to talk about some of the landscape stuff as we maybe we get into. 00:19:29
The more rendered. 00:19:38
Yeah, if you might, I was gonna say just for the the purposes of having us understand, if you have like a rendered version, I 00:19:39
think it's gonna help us distinguish like plants and if there's questions about like landscaping material as opposed to the line 00:19:44
drawing. 00:19:49
This is this is the package we sent back in June so I was scrolling through to remember. 00:19:56
Let's let's talk about the streets and then maybe we can go back and talk about some of these. This is kind of this this image 00:20:02
here is kind of talking to that point of. 00:20:06
What streets are what the potatoes are? 00:20:11
What the kind of the look and feel over there on the right? 00:20:14
What those are? 00:20:19
Here's kind of the street section in the parallel parking. Oh yeah, go ahead. 00:20:23
As well, just one thing to add for clarity on the overall circulation diagram. You mentioned Concorde having on street parking, 00:20:30
but I think one thing important to note is that it does have a dedicated bike lane to it. This is the same St. that does cut 00:20:38
through 5-6 and attaches to the promenade, you know open space. So when this dedication of bike lane on Concord, it's really a 00:20:46
kind of a main bike thoroughfare that connects these kind of first stages of development to the main central open space. 00:20:53
So not only is there kind of bike activity within the Paseo network, but there's also bike activity. 00:21:02
On that main kind of vehicular corridor on Concord. 00:21:10
That's a really good point. Yeah, that's a perfect. 00:21:15
You go back to that one overall you can see how 5-6 and 8:14 will go back to the one that has the open space in the on that one. 00:21:18
Perfect. So you can see how these networks start to overlay on one another where you have what's the dash line is these kind of 00:21:26
car free pedestrian focused paseos that also have cyclists. And then what's the Peach kind of the big Peach arrow is Concord which 00:21:35
has a dedicated bike lane which basically slices through and connects right into. 00:21:43
The large part in the Promenade open space, and here's a good context of both five and six with you know, 8/13/14 all clustered 00:21:52
together really creating that core. 00:21:57
Year Day One. 00:22:04
I'm glad that you pointed that out because that is really important piece of the overall network is this is kind of how those on 00:22:07
Concord St. 00:22:11
How those bike lanes are up at the sidewalk elevation. 00:22:17
So we've got the two travel lanes in the middle, parking on the sides, parallel parking. And then we've got this buffer area where 00:22:23
you know the door will swing open from the parked cars so that the bikers aren't running into the doors. And then we've got a 00:22:31
landscape planting area with our street trees and then sidewalk. And then that's where we hit the the right of way and go into 00:22:38
more of those private spaces like these these Stoops or porches. 00:22:45
With for the unit. 00:22:54
Real quick, do you have any pictures or anything of the transition from, like how it is on Concord St. to what it'll be on some 00:22:56
other streets? 00:23:01
Like on 3rd St. the bike lane is there isn't really a bike lane, it's just in the road. So what's what's the transition going to 00:23:07
be like from Concord St. into other streets like that? I think we have that coming up, OK? 00:23:13
So that's a really good question because we've thought a lot about that and we're we're, we're. 00:23:19
Brandon and Lauren there. I forgot to introduce them, but they're from Big Studio. There are landscape architectural consultants. 00:23:25
And we're working through that on the overall project scale, so. 00:23:34
Before we get go past this. 00:23:42
Some of these names are going to be changing, so the plots that we just got approved the names are kind of out of date on here, 00:23:45
but. 00:23:49
3rd Street is the side street. 00:23:53
What's that, Brandon? 00:23:57
Oh, OK. 00:24:00
So 3rd street is the side street. No dedicated bike lanes here. So this is a shared street where the bikers are going to be riding 00:24:03
in the travel lanes of the cars. 00:24:08
The driving speed, the speed limit here is we're probably like 25 miles an hour. I think that's probably still something that we 00:24:15
need to determine with with the city, but we're anticipating very slow speeds. 00:24:20
Umm, we are doing some traffic calming as well, which we'll get to with like table topping some of the intersections. So that's. 00:24:27
Maybe I'll, I'll talk about that when we get to that slide. But on this, so this is something good for us to track for our next 00:24:37
meeting if you could have and maybe you don't have everything like detail at this point, but it sounds like there's interest in 00:24:42
how it's the general. I'm sorry about that. 00:24:47
These are meant to be just really small side streets. When we get to like a primary St. that's where we're going to have like 00:25:26
Concord St. is the primary street where you have the dedicated bike lane. 00:25:31
OK, let's go to the next year. 00:25:40
This is just kind of showing how those private Stoops and porches are kind of relating to the streetscape. 00:25:46
This also kind of gives you an understanding of the relationship these units have to the street. 00:25:58
So most of these units. 00:26:03
And Jeff and Janathem and Evan. Evan joined you. Evan is another one of our architects from Nelson. But on similar to blocks five 00:26:06
and six, the primary egress and ingress for these units on the street are from the streets. So there's no traditionally you would 00:26:14
have a hallway that these units would go and they'd go park their car and then they'd walk into the hallway and then go into their 00:26:21
unit. All of these ground level units, their only access is from the street. So they parked their car. 00:26:29
And come in from the street. 00:26:38
The units of the. 00:26:41
Yeah. 00:26:44
I was just going to add one thing on the landscape that you'll notice on this image that we're looking at on 3rd St. and all side 00:26:46
streets where we don't have the dedicated bike lane. 00:26:51
Between parallel parking and road is utilizing stormwater, utilizing stormwater and collecting it within all the street side 00:26:57
planters. So that detail that you see in terms of the elevated curve, the small ornamental iron fence that starts to speak to the 00:27:05
architecture to kind of delineate that planting area and then the curb cut pulling water in from the street. So we can use those 00:27:13
planting areas to filter that storm water is something that we're we're implementing throughout. 00:27:21
Kind of all these blocks. 00:27:29
And Bronson, I was going to add real quick too, is that just as it kind of in general for Box 8 and 14, What's being proposed here 00:27:33
in this hearing is, is in accordance with the the master plan, the urban plan that was composed and laid out through Just Tech, 00:27:40
which is the focus on walkability throughout the entire layout of this area. So Box 8 and 14 again, ground level units do not have 00:27:47
interior corridors, so there's a there's a forced exterior entry. 00:27:54
Specific in a way to create a wealthful streetscape and to encourage public interaction for local residents that we live here. 00:28:01
That being the case in each of these residences, instead of a typical multifamily alignment, there is a focus on the throwaways 00:28:09
and entries of each of these so that the ground level experience both on the vehicle roadways, the street sketch, as well as the 00:28:17
pedestrian pathways that there's a focus on unit entry, much like you would see in the Roadhouse or brownstone type of alignment. 00:28:24
In other urban contest. So that's that's the idea here across the development is to really focus on the pedestrian streetscapes. 00:28:33
But again, both in the car environment and without cars to have really visually engaging places to walk and destroy, so that that 00:28:42
it creates an environment that encourages people to get out and to actually walk in lieu of Walker bike in lieu of baby cars. 00:28:49
Great. Yes, well said. 00:28:59
OK, so this is what I was talking about here, right. So this tabled intersection, what this is doing and kind of these transitions 00:29:04
that we're we're looking at. 00:29:09
This is kind of our first instance where we're looking, we're looking at this. We did have a tabletop in five and six, but it was 00:29:16
kind of South of the buildings and I don't know how how many people caught that, but this, this table intersection is you can see 00:29:21
that the bike lane carries through. 00:29:27
The dedicated bike lane carries through the intersection. The kind of everything in Gray is all at the same elevation. So the 00:29:33
cars, as they come into the intersection, they'll come up to like the sidewalk elevation, and so that the bikes will be staying at 00:29:41
the same elevation from like from South coming across the intersection, they'll be at the same grade the whole way and continue. 00:29:49
Continue on to the north. 00:29:58
What that does is obviously it's going to slow the cars down as they come into that intersection. 00:30:01
But it's it's a way that we're helping, you know, create a safe crossing in that area and kind of prioritizing that pedestrian and 00:30:06
bicyclist experience. 00:30:11
I don't know if you. 00:30:22
Here's just our lighting diagram of the different styles of lights that we're proposing. 00:30:32
Just a traditional street light. I'm not sure what happened with the picture for the catenary light, but that's basically a light 00:30:39
that's hanging from the cable. 00:30:44
Umm, these moonlight lights are are intended in the. 00:30:51
Like in the courtyards to be in the trees. So with dark skies we're really trying to control. 00:30:57
The amount of light that goes up upward and so all of these light options were were really just trying to get the light down. 00:31:05
And you know, a lot of a lot of times we like to up light trees to accent the trees, but in this case we're putting the tree up or 00:31:15
the light up in the tree. So it kind of creates a similar like glow effect within the tree. 00:31:21
The parking standard light standards kind of a just a traditional shoe box. 00:31:29
Right and then. 00:31:36
These are kind of just the string lights like kind of a festival light that you would see and you can see where we're proposing 00:31:38
those kind of in the Paseo areas. 00:31:42
I'm not Brandon. Do we? Do we keep these ones out on the? 00:31:48
On the north-south, I guess those are paseos. Those are our paseos. Like when the next building comes on, these will be the 00:31:53
potato. 00:31:56
Yep, correct. Yeah. The, the benefit of having these kind of urban environments where the buildings are but close, you know, close 00:32:01
together, we're able to use those for scale and lighting to create these kind of ceilings and to make these comfortable with 00:32:08
passages through the community. So we're integrating a lot of lighting concepts with the architectural elevation and those 00:32:14
corridors. 00:32:20
Some more pictures of the lights. 00:32:32
OK. 00:32:37
Brandy, you were learning. Want to take the courtyards? 00:32:39
Yeah, stick to the courtyard. And I think Jeff Brand set it up very nicely is the idea that is that these corridors are all very 00:32:44
unique. It takes the same concept from 5:00 and 6:00 where they were thought of as a network. So here is basically the backyard 00:32:51
courtyard or the active courtyard, which is really focused on having an active lawn space and bringing in the feeling of lounge 00:32:59
seating similar like you get at a pool, but just with the idea of sitting on a deck and kind of watching the kids run around. 00:33:07
There's a grill station, so I think kind of family backyard activities, you know, kicking the ball around a little bit, you know, 00:33:15
having a game of eggs, that sort of program for this space. 00:33:20
Couple different views of that space. Is the lawn, is that a turf? 00:33:33
We've asked about that before. Are you? 00:33:38
Yeah, right now we'd probably be looking at artificial chirp within the courtyard just from an overall solar perspective and being 00:33:43
able to get, you know, the right amount of sunlight during the day and then also from a maintenance perspective of getting kind of 00:33:49
equipment in there. So right now we're looking at artificial. 00:33:55
So here's one of those kind of enclaves of the courtyards that would be completed out with the building that would stitch into it. 00:34:10
So it's got that C shape that then faces into the sail. There's ideas about activating these with outdoor, you know, spaces, 00:34:20
community spaces, whether it be cafe or, you know, temporary food truck spaces, something that can create a destination. 00:34:30
There's a lot of discussion within these paseos of discovery and creating these moments where you know you're walking down the 00:34:40
street in your head, you see something going on and you're drawn to it and you kind of move into the space to explore. And so that 00:34:48
idea of activation plays a key role in that. So here you see kind of an edge condition, lifting the building up, setting it above 00:34:55
the public space a little bit, having that separation, we're looking at doing some temporary installations. 00:35:03
For where that future building footprint would sit, actually bringing in nursery trees where we can have some shape but then also. 00:35:10
Establish kind of a tree system that then those are used you know for the next phase of development and and either the streetscape 00:35:21
or or in the courtyards. So you'll kind of see those boxes and that's what that's meant to show is basically bringing in those 00:35:27
grocery trees letting them continue to mature on site and creating some immediate scale so you don't feel like you're just 00:35:33
adjacent to. 00:35:38
Kind of a temporary parking lot condition. 00:35:44
I'll not see this. These are the lights. These are what we call the Canary Lights, so. 00:35:48
Lights that are lighting up this paseo that are basically on cable, but a lot of times they'll go from a building. In this case we 00:35:54
don't have another building to connect them to, so we're showing. 00:35:59
These these posts that that may come out when the next building comes. 00:36:04
Exactly. That would be kind of a temporary solution until the next building would come over. 00:36:10
So creating these little gathering spaces, you know flex spaces where you can have outdoor study, outdoor seating and focus on 00:36:17
kind of how those scoops interact with with those spaces. 00:36:23
Yeah. So this is just a future. We did a study kind of day one with the parking lot in the future how that that next building 00:36:36
could stitch in and kind of create that close that seat to create what is this public courtyard that? 00:36:43
You could be under into. 00:36:51
Then here's this kind of the point Jeff was making earlier too, about this idea of these good conditions and varying St. 00:36:58
conditions and making it feel very, you know, occupiable as those uncomfortable to be that ground floor resident, but also very 00:37:05
vibrant to walk by and engage with, looking at different levels of planting, looking at different levels of. 00:37:13
You know, wall and ornamental fence to bring some variety of character into that experience. So this is walking kind of down that 00:37:22
sale. 00:37:25
And again how it wraps providing that kind of overlook and and activity. So as your meanders through the spaces people are dining, 00:37:35
they're studying and you're you're you have that eyes on the the open space scale. 00:37:41
All right. 00:37:55
So this is South of Block 8. Looking at the fire lane connection, we've been doing some studies, you know, understanding the the 00:37:56
demands of the fire lane, how we can work with those constraints to create visual interest mid block. So we don't have these kind 00:38:05
of long passages of, you know, just pavement. We're creating kind of these destinations. So these notes that again draw you 00:38:13
through spaces and and add to that idea of meandering through a community. 00:38:21
So if you flip through these, these are just quick studies on your kind of fire lane demand versus how we can change pavement 00:38:29
materials and try to bring some softness within that 20 foot character or that 20 foot zone. 00:38:36
Sorry, let me go back. 00:38:45
Yeah, you're you're good. So again, the building to the right is just there as a future placeholder. Building to the left is. 00:38:48
You know block 8. 00:38:57
Getting it, you can see that bike, the dedicated bike land that is important in the foreground. 00:39:01
He just gives you a good sense of scale from an architectural perspective as Jeff mentioned, you know part of the original master 00:39:07
plan and some of the urban design principles that just specifically put forward is always creating kind of these destinations or 00:39:14
these viewpoints that bring you through and trying to limit the amount of kind of these straight shot corridors. So again getting 00:39:22
that future context and helps understand what these what these corridors will ultimately feel like. 00:39:29
OK, let's jump into 14. 00:39:38
So Jeff and Jeff, do you guys want to take? 00:39:44
Probably show your your elevations because I think these ones are are dated back to June. 00:39:51
I think we should have sent you an updated ones. You may have them because you're the ones you have to block able to update. 00:39:58
Yeah, the renderings won't be updated, but both straight on elevations. Oh yeah, OK, good point. 00:40:04
Let's get to those. 00:40:10
14 You see, that's the entire block that the proposed first place here is the bottom left hand corner directly across the street 00:40:13
and adjacent blockade. 00:40:17
Yeah. 00:40:24
Yeah, these are, these are updated elevations. That's correct. 00:40:30
Yeah, the top elevation is donate. Brandon was just going through the pedestrian peso like creates a courtyard. So the middle 00:40:37
portion of this elevation is actually a courtyard a cut in and that building, you know right and left section. This is at the 00:40:44
elevation. On the top are the two wings of the building that come out the elevation on the bottom side is the north elevation. 00:40:51
This again brings in brick and nicer materials on face to accent the pedestrian experience on the first floor. 00:40:58
The top elevation here is is facing Concord so as the major roadway St. front elevation again with the main building entry and 00:41:07
then retail, commercial retail component on the bottom right hand corner of that elevation on the 1st floor. And then the bottom 00:41:14
elevation is the South elevation along what you call 3rd St. Bronson which shows again variety in the building facade and good 00:41:22
ground level engagement on the streetscape. I think the rendering starts to shift some of that. 00:41:29
Well, these are some of the interior internal renovations, probably less of a concern with inside the courtyards. 00:41:41
Again this is the this is the elevation or the perspective of the building you see on the left hand side of the pedestrian paseo 00:41:53
that leads down which double S as a as a power length that Brandon was just going over and reviewing the building is is kind of a 00:42:00
strict corner that occupies the the hard corner of the pedestrian area and then the ground level here you see all the student 00:42:07
conditions with kind of an enhanced landscape and and pedestrians along the ground level. 00:42:14
Turn on the right hand portion of this rendering is Concorde on this elevation sort of marches down Concord. So your mid rock on 00:42:21
Concord here you see on the left hand side of the rendering this is block 14 with the major the main entrance into at the ground 00:42:27
level into the apartments in the lobby and the building on the right hand side while it isn't updated is the block 8A. So what 00:42:33
you're saying I think the next window will be on the vehicular intersection but this so this is looking at block 14 from that 00:42:39
major. 00:42:46
Concord and 3rd intersection with the ground level retail space. 00:42:53
That shows on the hard corner and then what four stories of residential on on about the retail space. And again, this is the soup 00:42:57
conditions in the street tree and you know that pedestrian condition along the street state to the right and through the left 00:43:03
here, these are both vehicular roadways. 00:43:09
And this is the perspective looking at the east side of the building from the southeast corner, which shows that indent in the 00:43:19
building with the and then the outdoor public pedestrian small Plaza here that leads to the internal pause of the building. And 00:43:25
again, you've got a condition where pedestrians can cross the street to the left and Block 8 would be on the left hand side of 00:43:31
this render, but it shows that southeast corner of the and on the right hand side would be the surface parking lot. 00:43:38
Yeah. And I'm not where that surface parking lot is. They, you know, it's back over here to the right. But that's where if you 00:43:46
look at the little key here, that's where the future building will go. It kind of corresponds with the. 00:43:52
With 14 here 14 D. 00:43:59
And again this is from the northeast corner taking the right hand side, is the pedestrian for sale on the north corner or the 00:44:05
north side at block 14 and the left hand side is the pedestrian Paseo leading S 4:00 eight. And on that on that hard left of this 00:44:13
would be where the future phase would fill in and the day one is is the parking area here at the surface parking area. 00:44:21
Yeah, this is the quote of the northern side of the elevation with the pedestrian paseo leading east to West. On the right hand 00:44:33
side of this rendering would be Concorde and then as it leave the flood across the left hand side would be accessing that other 00:44:40
pedestrian connection of this is the east West pedestrian corridor along the north edge block 14 again with the ground level scoot 00:44:47
condition for the residents so. 00:44:53
So just to point out, we have made some minor changes to some of those elevations and we'll get those updated and renderings for 00:45:02
the next. 00:45:06
OK, so this is just a landscape illustration showing temporary parking here. 00:45:17
One thing we don't show is the temporary parking. It'll be to the north. 00:45:23
And then Brandon, you want to walk us through courtyards and Paseo landscape. 00:45:27
Yeah, so that Paseo continues NS. You know, ultimately that Paseo will be down into the promenade as well. There's a lot of 00:45:35
north-south connections that all kind of leads to park space. And then this courtyard is again in the spirit of working with other 00:45:43
courtyards is vastly different if you keep flipping through, it's really about creating a forest landscape inside of a building. 00:45:51
It's like it's. 00:46:02
Blowing steel for you. These are just going to be the black and white. Yeah, with a little bit more. 00:46:05
Yeah, there you go with a little bit more focus on children's play and outdoor kind of relaxation and study areas. 00:46:10
Again, those are kind of overall circulation diagrams for the block how they stitch and kind of went through that on the block 00:46:23
eight step. 00:46:26
Concord St. same St. we already looked at as it runs up by 14. Same thing with third is. 00:46:33
So 8 is on one side of third and 14 is on the north side of third. 00:46:40
Correct, Yeah. Yeah. There's continuity on Concord St. on 3rd Street, Is it? They kind of bisect the two buildings? 00:46:47
So some of these. 00:46:56
Oh, there we go. That's cool. Yeah. So there we go. So yeah, so that just kind of shows the character of. 00:47:00
That central courtyard, which is more of a meander landscape that all these courtyards, kind of all these front doors to these 00:47:07
units spill out into this forest like landscape that has play elements and hammocks and seating areas and fire pits. And it's a, 00:47:13
like I said, a much different experience than the more active courtyard, again meant to be part of an overall system of open 00:47:19
spaces. 00:47:24
Just some kind of eye level images of how that could look. 00:47:37
Continue through. 00:47:44
Just have some unique seating elements and unique gathering elements. 00:47:46
So here shows the connection between the Block 8 and Block 14 Paseo, where phase one we were showing those trees and boxes with 00:47:52
some G and a temporary solution. Here we're showing kind of an open turf area and a temporary solution. So you're picking up some 00:47:59
usable community space. So again, game area just kind of wreck outdoor space. 00:48:07
That will ultimately be or could ultimately be, you know, the next phases of construction, but used for activity day one. 00:48:16
Can you come through? 00:48:28
They continue to kind of flip through. And so where the other courtyard was kind of relying on this, you know, activating point 00:48:32
that might be a food truck or or building. This is really more about creating some unique forms that you know play with the 00:48:40
architecture and areas to sit and study and plug in. There's an idea of a small gathering note or stage in this one that you know 00:48:47
you can have very impromptu performances. 00:48:54
Within this area, not that you have like full on, you know, stages, but something that supports kind of impromptu artists again. 00:49:02
More about climbing and casual seating and studying within this quarter to balance out the more formal kind of cafe look of the 00:49:13
other Paseo court. 00:49:19
OK. I think that might be the last of the renderings. 00:49:31
I think the these next ones are just the civil engineering. 00:49:36
Files. 00:49:41
I don't know if you want to go through these. 00:49:43
I don't know, more pretty pictures. I think that's. 00:49:47
I think that might be it. 00:49:55
I guess while we're clicking through these, these these plans are. 00:50:04
Currently being reviewed by the engineering department, this is the roadway Phase 2C project that that will be. So I guess kind of 00:50:08
the the way we go about these projects is the roads come in first. 00:50:15
How do we get the roads built? And then then we'll come in and build these two buildings after. So in this area the first thing 00:50:23
you'll see is like. 00:50:27
Sewer and water and storm drain going in and then we'll pave those and then you'll start to see the vertical construction coming 00:50:33
up after that. 00:50:36
OK, Habitat, is it? 00:50:44
All right. Just a couple of questions. As far as going vertical, when do you guys plan to go vertical on this? 00:50:48
We, we really wanted to be going vertical this year, but just because of some some design changes that we decided to make, it's 00:50:57
postponed it. That's why you know we submitted in June hoping to be able to be through and going vertical this year, but it's 00:51:04
probably going to push till next spring okay and then as far as this is a question that has come up a lot and. 00:51:12
The amount of units that will be for sale and units that will be rentals. 00:51:20
These these phases that I'm pretty sure they're all rentals, OK, both phases. Are there any plans of making it possible to 00:51:25
purchase them in the future or what is I think I think there is always the possibility of that okay, the current plan is that 00:51:32
they'll be for rent. There are other phases that we are already planning for, for sale condos. 00:51:40
We just we're not to a point to bring those in yet like on Block 4 where the grocery store is some of those units we're looking at 00:51:48
for sale, OK. OK. And then as far as parking? 00:51:56
With this phase, you guys will be coming up on the parking study that needs to be done because this will put you over 500 units. 00:52:05
As far as management, do you have a management plan yet has is there any way you can see the management plan and what are your 00:52:12
plans for the entire area is a whole because currently? 00:52:19
As I drove by today, some of your streets are already starting to get lined with cars over by the UTA station. Yeah, I don't know 00:52:27
exactly what the plan is on parking. It will definitely be managed. It will be managed by the building, so by the property 00:52:35
management company of the building. I imagine it'll be permitted. So if you don't have a permit, you get towed. Would it is, I 00:52:42
think, what you're talking about, but. 00:52:49
In that parking study, I'm sure we can articulate. 00:52:57
What that management looks like, OK, so five and six that I guess to clarify it'll that parking city will come up after 500 CFO's 00:53:01
are issued and you're right it'll be in either Building 8 or 14 whichever 1 finishes first and and at that point we would engage 00:53:09
parking consultant to go in and perform the study and then. 00:53:16
And I think it's, I think it's a mutually agreed upon consultant. It's not you know somebody that we go, yeah, fine that's gonna 00:53:24
favor us. It's gonna be somebody that us in the city were killer to. 00:53:30
Decide who that consultant is to do that study. OK, so is the management gonna be building by building or is it gonna be as a 00:53:36
whole for the entire area, like these temporary stalls that were all these surface parking stalls? They would be by the building 00:53:43
because they're gonna be owned by that building until another phase of construction goes in, like a parking structure, then comes 00:53:49
online. And I'm sure with the parking structure there will be a component of public use that's shared with those residential 00:53:55
users. 00:54:02
I guess one thing to point out too is while we're building 5 and six and eight and 14, the first park will come online. So that's 00:54:10
the Block 5 park. 00:54:15
We're hoping to start construction on that. 00:54:22
As the city as a whole and we're going to be examining the street parking, the public street parking in the downtown as part of 00:55:08
that and what kind of parking implementation programs we want to see there. OK. So for the I guess for the road I guess next to 00:55:14
UTA would the city be responsible for that or would your guys right now that is that's a it's a private St. yeah. And so we will 00:55:20
need to come up with a we didn't we didn't perceive cars parking on it yet but the front runner station has been so successful 00:55:26
that. 00:55:33
We need to. 00:55:39
There, there is public parking like in that street, but what we're thinking is we probably just need to get those solid striped 00:55:41
and. 00:55:46
That's some kind of enforcement going on there, but it is, I mean it's safe for them to park there as long as they're kind of in 00:55:51
the designated spots. So you know, getting those lines painted is would be important, but like especially around the corners where 00:55:57
it's going to be, you know, hard for the bus to come out if cars are parked there. 00:56:03
You're saying it's a little very strict. OK, I'm mostly just worried as far as your commercial area, the commercial parking would 00:56:09
be public parking. I see a lot of it would be street parking. I worry that. 00:56:16
People from these units would either be parking in the in that public parking, or people from units even outside the development 00:56:24
would be parking in that public parking so. 00:56:29
I working with the city. I think we really need to come up with a management plan for the public areas that are currently private 00:56:35
but will eventually become public. Yeah, so I'm with. So with the parking master plan, they're going to help us with developing 00:56:42
kind of the programming for public parking. The private side. I would if you could come back in two weeks. 00:56:49
And and also with when we do the parking study after 500 units, does that, is that just a study for their, the parking stalls 00:57:28
attached to the building or is that a study for the public parking around the building too because it's flowing into the public 00:57:35
parking around the building, It's so the parking study will count for everything but what the parking study is going to do. So 00:57:42
it's going to look at you know the the public and the private parking, but it's going to look at the demand generated per unit. 00:57:49
And So what it what it does is if the parking study comes back and and they're not managing sorry they're not managing their the 00:57:56
parking well and you're getting a much higher requirement that's that then is in the code then automatically bump bumps up the 00:58:02
parking requirement for the next buildings. 00:58:08
And so it was set up like that by the council so that essentially the parking right side was. And it puts a lot of responsibility 00:58:14
on the developer to have a high level of management because if they don't, they're going to be paying a lot for for additional 00:58:20
parking. Well, yeah, it's definitely in our best interest. The last thing we want to have is a parking issue up there. And then 00:58:27
you know we we start having people say don't don't go there because you can't park. 00:58:33
So we, we definitely want to be on top of the management, yeah. And that's kind of why I bring it up especially with the public 00:58:40
that what will be future public parking managing that as well. Now having a plan for that because if the traffic study is gonna 00:58:47
measure that as well, I figured that would be important for you guys to be managing that as soon as possible. 00:58:54
Those are my big questions. Did anybody else have any questions or? 00:59:06
I have a couple for the. 00:59:12
For all the walkways you know other than what's on, you know the main road, Concord. But for the seven foot sidewalk, 8 foot, 12 00:59:14
foot and a Paseo, are those private, with like public easements for walking? Or those are those public walkways entirely? What 00:59:20
What's the actual? 00:59:25
Yeah. So we're actually working out from like the the overall programming how we we we set up the ownership. There's no matter 00:59:32
what it's going to be public, so open to the public, but whether or not you'll have you know like sidewalks and and the and the 00:59:39
the thoroughfares. 00:59:46
And it's even such much. 00:59:54
Oh, hey, there we go. OK. 00:59:57
Blinders on. And so we're working out kind of the ownership structure of the right away. And so we should have some answers 01:00:01
hopefully fairly soon on how the actual ownership is. But it'll be everything will be publicly accessible whether it's privately 01:00:09
owned and with public easements or if it's publicly owned just just right out. So and and you know you might see a combination of 01:00:16
of that back and forth. 01:00:23
We're looking at the promenade. Does it make sense to have the promenade itself still be open to the public? But. 01:00:31
Privately owned. 01:00:37
Yeah, but but then maintained at a much higher level than what the city could do or is it publicly owned and then we work with the 01:00:40
the developer to do like a special assessment or something in that area that will help generate funds to maintain a higher level 01:00:48
of of infrastructure there. And so hopefully we'll have some things worked out. We've we've kind of gone back and forth on on how 01:00:55
how it's worked out. So I I think the hope is in the next few months to be able to have have an agreement in place so we know. 01:01:03
Ownership and then just overall maintenance agreement. 01:01:12
Well, one of the concerns I have just for future consideration is as you build a big downtown, you need public squares. We saw 01:01:15
this during COVID and during just the BLM movement. No matter what side you're on, you need places for people to go. So the 01:01:22
questions about what's public, what's private, we have a lot of residents down there. Do we have places where they can go and 01:01:29
freely express whatever opinions they have and and not necessarily vent out? 01:01:36
Because we have a lot of other public parks, you can go do and do that. But if we don't have places downtown where they can freely 01:01:44
go and, you know won't be removed because it's private, the question is where do they go then? 01:01:48
So that's my concern is making sure we have what's public, what's private. It's private, there's public easements and it's clear 01:01:55
that people can be there and whether they live there or people going back and forth between different aspects of communities and 01:02:00
vineyards be able to freely flow. Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head too. That's a really important part of the 01:02:05
conversation. 01:02:10
Might be where I'm sitting. 01:02:17
I'll just try to speak a little bit louder. 01:02:21
The other thing too, is we're seeing a pretty strong optic nationwide. 01:02:25
And we understand how do we, you know, how do we deal with the problems as well in in in the city that's that's an issue that's 01:02:33
been there all all cities. 01:02:39
So you know that that that's part of the conversation too. 01:02:46
1 other Do you know when we we'd have an idea of where future parking? 01:02:54
Structures would possibly be located. You may not have to plan where you're thinking they would be location wise to these blocks, 01:03:01
well, I don't know. 01:03:06
In like in eight and 14, it'll be in those. These are basically like quadrants of the block. So we kind of split them into fours 01:03:12
with those paseos coming through. So parking structures would be either in two of those blocks. It all kind of depends on. 01:03:21
What some of the other uses are happening in those buildings if those all go residential or if there's any office components in 01:03:32
there, those are all like considerations in and then our. 01:03:37
We started looking at like what's our most efficient? 01:03:43
Parking structures size and shape and and can we get you know liner buildings around those so that we don't have just this solo 01:03:47
parking structure out on the street that's kind of ugly to look at. We'll we'll be putting liner buildings so those parking 01:03:53
structures are hidden behind. 01:03:59
Buildings, the entrances into those will be, you know, very clearly marked so people know where to go to park in the structure, 01:04:05
but. 01:04:09
It's all. It's all kind of a function of that. 01:04:14
Like very efficient shape and size and then the buildings that are lining it, whether it's retail or office or residential. 01:04:17
So on these two particular blocks, I know we'll have one in one of the other three quadrants, but I don't know where it will be 01:04:26
yet. Thank you. Yeah. 01:04:31
Could be a wise move to do so. I'd encourage you to look at that. 01:05:15
And then question clarity on the parking, the 490, some odd stalls or whatever it was that? 01:05:19
In in 14 and then in eight, there was another. 01:05:30
Anyways, about 800 total. Does that include any street parking or is that just the built? 01:05:35
Just the built parking, that's a good question. Janet or Evan, are you guys still on? 01:05:42
Do you have a second? I believe it's just in the plots in the temporary. OK, that's good to hear. The other thing I'd like to 01:05:47
know. OK, thank you. The other thing I think would be beneficial for the next meeting is understanding how many street parking 01:05:55
spots there are as well. It's just always helpful to to understand what's there. Right now, it looks like you're over 2 parking 01:06:02
spots per unit, which you mentioned is higher than the code requires. 01:06:09
But in addition to that, it would be interesting to see the amount of street parking there as well, which will obviously come into 01:06:16
play in the future parking studies. We can include that number in this table here. That'd be helpful. Thank you. 01:06:23
Do you guys have any questions? 01:06:32
All right. So I'm going to open it up for some public comment just to make questions. As a Planning Commission, you try to catch 01:06:38
everything that we can possibly catch. We review these plans. We go through these plans. We're going to have two more weeks to go 01:06:45
through these plans and when they come in for a site plan approval. But we can miss things. And that's why it's awesome to have 01:06:51
public that is involved that cares about projects like this. 01:06:58
So if you want to come up and ask any questions or make any comments on maybe some things that we've missed, I'll give you two or 01:07:05
three minutes. 01:07:11
If your comments are, I don't like. 01:07:18
The name of the city or I don't. I think that there should be more parking or I wish it was this color or I don't like that 01:07:21
there's going to be a downtown in this area. Those aren't the comments we're looking for. 01:07:26
This was approved a long time ago. There within the zoning codes, this can be built as they've described it today. 01:07:34
We're just going through it to make sure that all the details are are correct. So if you have any comments on things that we might 01:07:43
have missed, please come up, state your name and I'll write down your questions. 01:07:49
And ask your questions after, yeah. 01:07:54
Janine Broxton My question and and it may be known by you guys but I don't know is you know there's a lot of beautiful planters 01:08:08
like in front of the Stoops and stuff. Who are the who's going to maintain all of that? 01:08:16
I won't normally do a back and forth, but I'll just answer that real quick. That's what we're trying to decide. Or you can answer 01:08:25
that. OK, yeah, he can answer that after. 01:08:31
Do you have any other questions? No. OK, Thank you. 01:08:37
So I had a couple questions #1. 01:08:50
State your name real quick. Sorry. Tyler Harrelson. I have an Edgewater. You're good. Sorry. 01:08:55
The first one is sort of a question and a suggestion. A lot of sort of. I think there was one building that had ground floor 01:09:02
retail. Do we know if that's going to be exclusive for a particular use or if it's going to be more flexible? I would like to see 01:09:09
something that can be, maybe it starts out as a restaurant, it can turn into a Barber shop or whatever happens in as the needs of 01:09:16
the community changed over time. But I wasn't sure what the deal was there. Another question. 01:09:23
So there's been this is built over the Geneva steel site. I was looking over there when like 10-15 years ago when their soil did 01:09:31
soil testing is pretty concerning there would be like. 01:09:38
The EPA has their action level is I don't know 30 parts per million of arsenic and they'd say the the top recorded was like 10,000 01:09:45
or something. I know they spent or from what I've told they spent a lot of money cleaning this up. It's been a long time and or 01:09:53
it's been several decades but I haven't been able to find any follow up on especially particular sites what the the after soil 01:10:02
tests have been and I'm sure that's a requirement. I know the EPA is not. 01:10:10
They will not allow you to build without having the soil samples below their their required levels, but I just haven't seen any 01:10:19
public. 01:10:24
At least as far as I've been able to find anything public that has said what they actually are at and kind of showed us an after 01:10:30
test. So that's another one. And then you mentioned the parking issue with concerns about residents parking right outside on the 01:10:36
street parking, I kind of had that same question. 01:10:42
So you asked it, but I did. As I was sitting there, I thought of you could put in parking meters with a pretty small. 01:10:49
Fee like maybe $0.50 an hour or something. Just enough to disincentivize someone from parking there, especially overnight over a 01:10:56
long time. But regardless of what you do, I'd like to hear a follow up on what happens. Cool. Thanks. Thanks, Tyler. 01:11:03
Any other public comments or questions or? 01:11:15
All right. Thank you, guys. So. Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:11:19
Harry Broxton I'm a resident and and my concern is parking and it sounds like. 01:11:28
Less than two per unit is what the code says. 01:11:36
And these are all rentals. Everything is a rental. 01:11:42
How many bedrooms? How big are these units because we've lived in? 01:11:45
Communities in Provo, what's going to happen is they're going to rent the four singles. 01:11:51
And there's going to be 4 cars on every one of these units. Where are they going to park? 01:11:56
And we've had that issue. That's why we've moved out of a certain area in Provo because of that very issue. 01:12:05
Is that is that your only question or did you have any? 01:12:14
I lost a big one. 01:12:16
Where are all these rentals going to park these cars? 01:12:19
So. 01:12:24
If with with the rentals, say for instance that they were for sale, than a person could essentially rent out their units with it 01:12:26
being managed by a single company or owning a single building and renting out all the units. It's just their management plan and 01:12:33
like we were talking about earlier if they don't manage it correctly. 01:12:40
As a parking study, that's done after every 500 units and if they don't manage it correctly and too many people are parking their 01:12:49
units after 500. 01:12:52
Than in the next phase of their development, the next 500 units they have to up their parking by a bunch, which is a huge cost for 01:12:56
them. So it's very it's they have a huge incentive to manage their parking correctly. 01:13:02
And therefore manage the rentals, correct? Correct. So how many can rent one one place? And another thing, it's hard to see on 01:13:10
this, but there's a breakdown in the report of how many are studio apartments, which you would assume there would be 4 in there, 01:13:19
but 22 bedrooms would be more likely to have more people than the studio, right. Some of the breakdowns in there, Yeah, OK. 01:13:28
It's a real it's a real concern. 01:13:37
It's a concern for the city and we're trying to do as many things as we possibly can to help alleviate that. 01:13:39
Thank you. 01:13:45
Bryce, would you like me to run through? Yeah. So first question from Janay was planning to boxes maintenance. Yeah, that's a 01:13:51
great question. Just like with most people you'll have a park strip in front of your yard and even though it's public space, 01:13:58
you're still responsible to maintain your your park strip. Similar with with with with like a apartment buildings the park strips 01:14:04
and in front of. 01:14:11
Apartment buildings of the public right of way are maintained by those if you go on Mill Rd. The Four. 01:14:18
Mill Point, Mill Point, Concord Divine Alloy. 01:14:24
All those maintain their landscape and actually they they do a really good job and that that's something that we've stayed on top 01:14:27