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That's that is one benefit of the 20 minute commute. | 00:00:00 | |
What what this is is looking at an interesting use that would add the ability for folks to have a formal office. | 00:00:06 | |
And formal workplace within their their townhome and this is a use that's considered or called a live work unit. | 00:00:15 | |
So currently this portion of Pod 1 contains 56 entitled townhomes. | 00:00:24 | |
So these are townhomes that are already approved. They've gone through the site plan process. | 00:00:31 | |
You know they're they're essentially programmed to be built in one of the next phases. What this amendment would do, it would | 00:00:35 | |
allow for the live work units for so placing larger floor to ceiling heights on the on the ground floor to provide some office | 00:00:41 | |
space and to allow folks to live above where where they work. Additionally part of this request is to is to bring in some street | 00:00:48 | |
parking. | 00:00:54 | |
That that would go on really both sides of the street and what we'll do is during the public hearing, we'll we'll send you guys. | 00:01:01 | |
The full. | 00:01:08 | |
Sorry, I keep saying guys and gals. | 00:01:11 | |
Well, we'll send you the full package so you'll be able to see the like all the elements of the site. | 00:01:14 | |
But and then also it would provide 2 crossings. | 00:01:22 | |
And one of those crossings would have a refuge island in the middle and would have like the the flashing indicators to help warm | 00:01:26 | |
traffic. So the idea is to create this street into. | 00:01:33 | |
How this is set up is the live work units are oriented around plazas. | 00:02:19 | |
So these are outdoor open space, you could call them pocket parks, you can call them outdoor meeting spaces. So the idea is that | 00:02:24 | |
they're supposed to be multifunctional. So places where you know people can go out they they can you know grill and then also | 00:02:29 | |
providing places for people to. | 00:02:35 | |
Have like outdoor meetings and to to enjoy the kind of the fresh air and so that's kind of the overall idea was was providing that | 00:02:41 | |
opportunity for folks to be able to to live and and work within within their same unit. | 00:02:48 | |
We've seen that this use has become more and more popular. | 00:02:57 | |
And Mike will probably share with you kind of his experience with the development that they had in Salt Lake. | 00:03:02 | |
Where those the live work units were they're really kind of a hot commodity because a lot of people want that option. We're also | 00:03:09 | |
seeing more and more you know people are are just like remote working in general. Will there be 100% from home? | 00:03:17 | |
And and also people have, there's a really big demand for for people who have like even just side side gigs that where they have | 00:03:25 | |
like they do some accounting on the side they want to have a place where they can have a client com. | 00:03:31 | |
So it's a it's a project we're really excited about. It's something that we look at this and we say this is an opportunity for 56 | 00:03:37 | |
small businesses to start. | 00:03:42 | |
In our city and hopefully we can hold on to them and when they when they expand, they move into commercial space. | 00:03:47 | |
But this is just a really amazing opportunity because it really does. It provides 56 incubator spaces. | 00:03:55 | |
For small businesses that that could be part of a community and the people, the business owners will be living in the community. | 00:04:01 | |
And so it kind of provides that that that double ownership having a business in the community and and also living in the community | 00:04:07 | |
a few elements too. And I don't want to take all the Thunder from my because he'll run through this, but there is a demand for a | 00:04:13 | |
dog run and so up here there there'll be a fairly significant in length dog run where residents can you know throw a ball it'll | 00:04:19 | |
be. | 00:04:25 | |
They'll be fenced in. We'll have some obstacles for the dogs to play in. There'll be a playground, this area by the tracks. We | 00:04:31 | |
know the community gardens have been a really successful thing in the city. Mike has agreed to stub the water and so he'll he'll | 00:04:39 | |
he'll pay for the the utility to be run for the water. So when we want to expand our community garden program we can do that and | 00:04:46 | |
there's an area where the along the rail tracks that actually won't be on his property, so it'll be run by the city. | 00:04:53 | |
But it would provide, you know, plenty of space if we want to expand that program. Additionally, and this plan doesn't quite show | 00:05:01 | |
it, but there's parking being added on this area right here as well. That'll be open to the public. So it'll be on site parking | 00:05:06 | |
open to the public, so it'll be an easement put in place. | 00:05:12 | |
The reason for that is for the office of the community garden once if we can if we decide to expand there, but also there's | 00:05:18 | |
there's the trail there and that that trail is going to connect to the university and it's it's you know it's it's kind of planned | 00:05:24 | |
to be more and more usable recreational trail you know as time goes down and as the city builds out. So that will be actually a | 00:05:29 | |
nice spot for for people to to be able to access the the trail. | 00:05:35 | |
So let me. | 00:05:41 | |
Show you the black and white. So this gives you a. This is the more updated version but it is kind of the black and white | 00:05:43 | |
rendition. You can see the on street parking and then the crosswalks provided. | 00:05:50 | |
Noting the dog park up here on the north, parking provided for the public and for just you know general customers coming to to | 00:05:57 | |
patron the the businesses there and to point out these won't be like full blown restaurants. | 00:06:05 | |
Because those require grease traps, and there's some commercial building code that they would have to meet. | 00:06:13 | |
It wouldn't prohibit that. And so if there was interest in doing like a cafe that that could kind of service that that | 00:06:19 | |
neighborhood or something small, then they would have to meet that building code. So it would require upgrading. So it doesn't | 00:06:25 | |
necessarily stop them from doing that. So if that's something that would really benefit that neighborhood then you know the the | 00:06:31 | |
market demands it then. | 00:06:36 | |
You know, it might be nice to get kind of a little neighborhood cafe in there. One of the other things too to point out is. | 00:06:42 | |
There is a future spot where a small Co working space building can go and so that would be about kind of the idea is potentially | 00:06:49 | |
about 5000 square feet. What this building would do is it could provide. | 00:06:56 | |
Coworking space for the businesses that that are on site, so that it's a place where they can collaborate. So if you have | 00:07:04 | |
businesses that are working on projects together or that need more formal meeting space, then it provides kind of a small building | 00:07:09 | |
where where they can do that. | 00:07:14 | |
Now that would only come in if the if there was demand for it from the market and so you're not going to see that probably, you | 00:07:19 | |
know if that comes it'll be probably several years out, but that they have provided a spot where they wanted to have some | 00:07:26 | |
coworking space for for those those tenants they could go there. Another benefit too which I think is really interesting is that. | 00:07:34 | |
The residents here will also and you know if they have employees will have access to to the clubhouse. So the clubhouse will be a | 00:07:43 | |
shared benefit for everyone in the community and so it just kind of kind of provides that that additional amenity. | 00:07:51 | |
You know for that, that for pod one and those that live and. | 00:08:00 | |
Yeah, so this is a work session. Mike Olson is here. If Mike, I don't know if they'll probably have a few questions if you want to | 00:08:05 | |
come up to the podium. | 00:08:09 | |
That that is everything for me and I'm happy to answer any questions. | 00:08:14 | |
Thanks. | 00:08:18 | |
Good evening. I know a few of you. I have been here now for 13 years. | 00:08:22 | |
Started in 2010. | 00:08:28 | |
When we started here, there were 391 residents in December of 2011. | 00:08:30 | |
We, I'd like to say we've been part of the growth, but we've been around for a while. So give you a little bit of idea on how this | 00:08:38 | |
came up. | 00:08:42 | |
West Valley, Kern, Salt Lake. | 00:08:48 | |
Umm. | 00:08:51 | |
Came to me and said, you know we've got a number. | 00:08:52 | |
Residents of our city who, because of COVID, have moved their businesses into their homes. | 00:08:56 | |
Single moms, Pacific Islanders. | 00:09:02 | |
They were doing nails. They were doing. | 00:09:07 | |
They're trying to bake cookies. | 00:09:10 | |
They were doing everything they could. | 00:09:12 | |
You know. | 00:09:17 | |
So that their families could survive. | 00:09:18 | |
West Valley Kerns kind of left them alone through code enforcement because they realized. | 00:09:22 | |
If they shut them down, how's the family going to survive? | 00:09:30 | |
So we've literally been working on this plan now. And then I talked to Morgan and some of the city. | 00:09:35 | |
People about it and I thought if it works, you know, if they're having problems. | 00:09:42 | |
Kearns, West Valley, Salt Lake County. The same thing has to be happening in Vineyard with people that. | 00:09:48 | |
Whose businesses got shut down? Who started to work at home? So. | 00:09:53 | |
We're probably about the same stage. We'll break ground in the current West Valley, Salt Lake County area probably within, you | 00:09:59 | |
know, four to six months. | 00:10:04 | |
This one is about 3:00 to 4:00. | 00:10:09 | |
Ahead of that one. | 00:10:12 | |
So I started to work with our architects think Architecture to come up with the idea what would happen. | 00:10:14 | |
If you took the main floor and had. | 00:10:20 | |
Commercial zoning. | 00:10:23 | |
And put a residential zone on the second, the third. | 00:10:25 | |
And then so that kind of evolved into, OK, So what do you allow, what don't you allow? | 00:10:29 | |
If you limit a. | 00:10:35 | |
Commercial hood meaning exhaust to. | 00:10:39 | |
That limits what can be cooked and if I eliminate if I rest. | 00:10:42 | |
No deep fry. | 00:10:46 | |
That gives me another level of. | 00:10:48 | |
I'm not going to be. | 00:10:52 | |
Creating restaurants. | 00:10:54 | |
So we put together a list about six months ago with the help of the city attorney on. | 00:10:57 | |
Like. | 00:11:03 | |
Uses would be allowed. You know, everything from office use to an accounting office to somebody who wants to bake cookies to | 00:11:04 | |
whatever. | 00:11:08 | |
And. | 00:11:13 | |
Kind of the background of how it create, we got started on this. | 00:11:14 | |
My original development agreement that was recorded in 2011 allowed me 288 units on this site with 56 on this specific site. | 00:11:19 | |
And. | 00:11:31 | |
We have gone back and I have added which you'll see in the public hearing. I've added 167 parking spaces in pod One. | 00:11:32 | |
We did that by moving the curb and gutter back, moving buildings around so that I could maximize parking everywhere. | 00:11:42 | |
Then we got into. | 00:11:50 | |
Is there an area for a community garden so I can get a community garden access through our property? | 00:11:52 | |
Onto property that's owned by the city and you could access it along the trail. | 00:12:01 | |
Then we got in, Well, do you have room for a dog park? So. | 00:12:07 | |
These things have evolved literally over probably the last year and I feel like. | 00:12:10 | |
We've done everything we could to maximize the efficiency of the units and. | 00:12:16 | |
Efficiency of pod. | 00:12:23 | |
Any questions? | 00:12:28 | |
Cool. Yeah. Any questions from? Yeah. OK. So I know we don't have like a landscaping. | 00:12:30 | |
Really. Pointed out on this map yet, but with the dog park and no residents would prefer one. | 00:12:37 | |
That's shaded, probably all the ones I've seen so far. | 00:12:43 | |
A bunch of gravel with a little patch of grass. | 00:12:48 | |
It's not amenable to most dogs. | 00:12:52 | |
You're familiar with dogs. Some people are just putting that out there. This plan shows a line of trees, so maybe we can look at | 00:12:55 | |
the previous plan pre parking. | 00:13:00 | |
Added shows the trees. I'm wondering if that's going to be carried over. | 00:13:07 | |
Perfect. | 00:13:13 | |
I am pretty excited that. | 00:13:14 | |
My ask for the continuation of City Gardens in this area. | 00:13:18 | |
Is being taken seriously. | 00:13:23 | |
I think it would be great. | 00:13:25 | |
Residents on this side of. | 00:13:28 | |
And then also throughout other parts to have that option as well. | 00:13:31 | |
So in just a just a comment in regards to the garden area, the garden area is approximately 21 feet wide. | 00:13:34 | |
By 460 feet in. | 00:13:43 | |
We have parking will supply water because I can take water off of. | 00:13:48 | |
The project water that we bring in and then there will be a meter there that will be the cities. | 00:13:54 | |
So in regards to a dog park. | 00:13:59 | |
In our business, we find that we deal more with dogs now than we deal with children. | 00:14:03 | |
I mean. | 00:14:10 | |
And so the projects of ours that are finished, that are operating, 35 to 40% of the residents have dogs. | 00:14:11 | |
And it's an. | 00:14:20 | |
Every. | 00:14:25 | |
You know they eat the siding off the side of the building too. | 00:14:26 | |
The damage, the grass etc. So we isolated the dog park on the North End there. | 00:14:32 | |
We've tried everything from artificial grass to real grass to crushed granite to. | 00:14:38 | |
And I think we're almost there. We've almost figured out how to do it. | 00:14:45 | |
Because once they go on the gravel then you have to be able to get. | 00:14:50 | |
The urine and the. | 00:14:54 | |
Washed. | 00:14:56 | |
I'm not saying we're experts on dogs yet, but we're getting there. | 00:14:59 | |
Yeah, I think the key point is it's not hot for the dogs to walk on. | 00:15:04 | |
Enjoy their time there. | 00:15:10 | |
Anyway, but I think that that. | 00:15:13 | |
It's a great location for it. | 00:15:15 | |
In here, that's all I had. | 00:15:19 | |
Any other quest? | 00:15:21 | |
Yeah, I've got some questions. So as far as ownership here. | 00:15:22 | |
How does that work? What would someone buy the unit and they'd they'd own the townhome and the commercial space. There's the | 00:15:29 | |
commercial space being owned by you and just leased out. We're gonna lease it out. So all the commercial space will be owned by | 00:15:34 | |
our deal with the city, and our development agreement is that whoever lives in the unit. | 00:15:40 | |
Occupies the commercial space I don't want to deal. | 00:15:45 | |
Somebody who leases out the main. | 00:15:49 | |
You know and. | 00:15:52 | |
Something Oh, interesting. | 00:15:54 | |
Only like if I own the unit he wouldn't be in the commercial space. No, it could only be the owner and that goes to issues that we | 00:15:58 | |
started thinking about with your city attorney and how codes and stuff work and so that's what will be in the in the development. | 00:16:05 | |
So businesses go out of business sometimes as well or people career pivot So if I lived there and decided to no longer. | 00:16:12 | |
Run a business out of it? Would it just sit vacant? Or you could take the flex space and convert it into a family room and a | 00:16:20 | |
bedroom because the bathroom's already there, but they would continue leasing that space from you in addition to their ownership. | 00:16:24 | |
Interesting. | 00:16:29 | |
So we've looked at sales and leases and we think that we'll probably on this one will well even the one in Kearns West Valley will | 00:16:35 | |
lease the units. | 00:16:39 | |
We look at like you, you know, maybe UVU, BYU students that want to start a business. | 00:16:45 | |
I'm never renting. | 00:16:52 | |
And. | 00:16:54 | |
The opportunity to come here and put their business in their home. So timing wise we start say maybe in December this year. I | 00:16:55 | |
probably won't have units ready in there until. | 00:17:01 | |
Probably sometime second, third quarter of 2025, about 18 months from the time I break ground on the site before I have units | 00:17:08 | |
ready. And then along the similar line, if an investor, I mean there's lots of investors that buy these that would plan to rent | 00:17:14 | |
them out. We don't sell to investors. | 00:17:20 | |
And how do you? | 00:17:26 | |
They only lease them. We maintain ownership. We don't sell to investors for the commercial for any of it. | 00:17:29 | |
So from what I understand the commercial and the residential are tied together, it's 11 lease for one lease OK. I so these are not | 00:17:35 | |
owner occupied there, everything is being rented, OK that's what I was misunderstanding. OK, I was under. | 00:17:41 | |
Do these units? | 00:17:49 | |
Yeah. That was going to be my next question is the parking. Yeah. | 00:17:52 | |
So our development agreement, the original development agreement back in 2011, I can't build anything that doesn't have a minimum | 00:17:55 | |
of. | 00:17:59 | |
Cover 2 garages, so most of the units have two garages. I do have a thin unit and I build garages. | 00:18:04 | |
Kind of in the back and their standalones, but everybody has assigned 2 car garage with each unit. | 00:18:12 | |
Got. | 00:18:19 | |
So yeah, that was going to be my other question, just how this is parked. So take away all of the. | 00:18:20 | |
All this parking. | 00:18:28 | |
The residential parking is baked into those already, and then all the additional parking would be more for that commercial use, | 00:18:30 | |
but residents could park there as well, right? OK. | 00:18:36 | |
And that will all be man. | 00:18:42 | |
At least what we've got in the development agreement now is all of the parking will be managed in Pod One will be managed by the | 00:18:44 | |
HOA. | 00:18:48 | |
And we talked about both sides of the street, we'll have parking and so I don't know if you have that that exhibit, maybe we can | 00:18:51 | |
have that. I think we might have that the paper form, but we could have that as part of the packet for the, the public hearing. | 00:18:59 | |
But you'll have you know both sides. So it's actually called quite a bit like the question I have for city on that is. | 00:19:06 | |
We're using park strip and right of way. | 00:19:14 | |
For. | 00:19:18 | |
Umm. | 00:19:21 | |
You could probably debate whether that's a good thing, a bad thing, right? Some some might like it, some might not. | 00:19:22 | |
But you're going to get the. | 00:19:27 | |
Why are we doing that on this project and not others? Are we going to ditch park strips? | 00:19:30 | |
In other parts of the city to add additional parking and this may not be for you to answer necessarily, but I think every all know | 00:19:35 | |
that like if someone sees this and it looks like. | 00:19:40 | |
And the. | 00:19:44 | |
Parking for a development here but not here. Maybe you could comment on that. Yeah, standpoint I believe with this one. | 00:19:46 | |
Let's see our we'd have, we'd have to look at the width I think we're going to try to keep. | 00:19:55 | |
Like street trees where we can. | 00:20:01 | |
Umm. | 00:20:04 | |
Yeah, we may need to dig into that. And I'm paying. | 00:20:05 | |
Yeah. | 00:20:08 | |
So I'm part on my property in part on the right. | 00:20:09 | |
And all the improvements I pay for cities not paying for. | 00:20:14 | |
And going back to 2011? | 00:20:18 | |
2010. | 00:20:21 | |
With the planners that we're here. | 00:20:23 | |
I mean, and I don't, I'm not saying that we're now correcting things. | 00:20:25 | |
But by putting the parking the way that we're doing there and. | 00:20:30 | |
Access for the public, that slows the traffic. | 00:20:35 | |
Yep. No. So I'm not fighting for or against this necessarily. I'm just saying. But I'm telling you, it's what you open up like | 00:20:39 | |
someone, another developer that already has something that's established. If they came to the city and said, hey, can we tear out | 00:20:43 | |
the park strip and put in parking here? | 00:20:48 | |
Would the city say yes, No. You know, if they were going to fund it. So I'm just saying like once people see this, they might | 00:20:53 | |
think let's do it in other areas. Some might love that idea, some might not. We did the same thing on 3rd West. | 00:20:58 | |
Yeah, both that additional parking, we put that in, we pay for it, Yeah, with the idea that as those red, those Pod 6, Pod 7 fills | 00:21:05 | |
in. | 00:21:09 | |
You're going to have people that are going to use that trail system down there along the lake. | 00:21:14 | |
Started to think about a lot of it was Naseem. | 00:21:20 | |
And Morgan, that said, what could we do down there to? | 00:21:23 | |
You know, parking. And so I think it's going to work. | 00:21:27 | |
Yeah. And Mike maybe something we can work on before the next meeting is if there's not room for the traditional park strip doing | 00:21:31 | |
like the the property side trees because those are pretty nice. So instead of having the tree separating you from like traffic, | 00:21:37 | |
here you have the the parking stall that creates the buffer for the pedestrian. But maybe on the property side we we we try to get | 00:21:43 | |
some trees. So you still get some of the canopy. | 00:21:49 | |
No. | 00:21:57 | |
I guess an additional question with the parking, would this be have the same limits that it does on 300 W where it's no overnight | 00:21:59 | |
parking? | 00:22:02 | |
Correct. | 00:22:06 | |
You go ahead. | 00:22:09 | |
On these. | 00:22:13 | |
Is there like room that you could add? | 00:22:15 | |
Like simple auto care or something like if they have garages people could pull in a car and like. | 00:22:17 | |
Take care of some minor maintenance and so we've talked about it. We won't allow any mechanical. | 00:22:23 | |
Any mechanics or oil changes or anything like that? | 00:22:28 | |
Mostly because I don't want the environmental. | 00:22:33 | |
If somebody was to spill something and I have to clean it up. | 00:22:36 | |
We took that off. | 00:22:40 | |
You know, yeah, we thought about kind of the noise too, because if you are, if you do have someone living. | 00:22:42 | |
Like right next to where the garage, it is a good kind of idea where you could provide kind of a neighborhood like auto service | 00:22:46 | |
for people but just with the air guns and whatnot like, you know I could somebody with that size garage is going to have an air | 00:22:53 | |
gun or everybody goes for like little battery Milwaukee nowadays but. | 00:22:59 | |
Did you have any questions, Chris? Yeah, I'm just, I'm looking at the county parcel map. So is this all being done? | 00:23:11 | |
On the existing pod one or is there some of that Vineyard City land that some of the road and parking stuff is going to be on that | 00:23:17 | |
as well? Yeah, so just the street. There was a swap that still needs to occur. We worked with Mikey team when we did the overpass | 00:23:23 | |
and I wasn't. | 00:23:29 | |
I think it was Don Overson who kind of managed that project, but I didn't see my note. But there, well, there was, there was an | 00:23:36 | |
exchange so that we got the land for the overpass, you got the land for the overpass and you got the land for a new Vineyard Rd. | 00:23:41 | |
at no cost. | 00:23:46 | |
And then I got anything that was leftover after you were done building the bridge. So let's present it here is taking into account | 00:23:51 | |
that's yeah. So we still we still need to make picking up about 1.08 acres from the city on the exchange for when we built the new | 00:23:56 | |
Vineyard Rd. | 00:24:02 | |
And you guys got that for free and that goes back to. | 00:24:08 | |
An agreement that we had with the city, it's either dated 2016 or 2017. | 00:24:12 | |
Do you have any other questions? | 00:24:20 | |
I don't necessarily have a question, it's more just the concern of the amount of on street parking there. I mean I this last week | 00:24:22 | |
and you get Friday, Saturday is really busy with. | 00:24:27 | |
And then I went up. I usually go up that street every weekend and we had a bunch of bikers on the streets. We had cars going both | 00:24:32 | |
way. We had some cars pulled off into the like that little dog park area there. So I'm imagining all these cars pulled in at | 00:24:38 | |
angles wanting to back up now and it's going to quickly on weekends become a pretty busy street at times with with people at a | 00:24:44 | |
standstill. I think we're at 40 miles an hour, aren't we in the scene on that road now? | 00:24:51 | |
That's a 25 mile per hour St. currently. They just changed it, yeah, yeah. | 00:24:59 | |
Sorry, Yeah, Vineyard. | 00:25:04 | |
South Vineyard Grove, which is what's called right there, that's 25 miles an hour along our section. | 00:25:09 | |
On one side it goes up to 30 miles an hour. We're going to work with the one to reduce that down so when people are coming from. | 00:25:15 | |
Into Vineyard. That's 25 miles an hour. | 00:25:22 | |
But also with the with doing the crosswalks kind of deliberately, kind of at the throat of the of the area. | 00:25:24 | |
With the flashers and so forth, should be would allow us to be able. | 00:25:32 | |
Keep those speed limits low. | 00:25:37 | |
With this, as we are building on this, we're going to take a pointed. | 00:25:40 | |
To see how. | 00:25:44 | |
Interactions are and possibly even lower it down to maybe 20 miles an hour in order to ensure that. | 00:25:47 | |
Their cross connect. | 00:25:53 | |
Stay safe for pedestrians. | 00:25:55 | |
And what So what the process is for this. So what the development agreement does is it approves kind of like the elements as part | 00:26:07 | |
of the agreement and then what we would do a site plan. So Mike and he has those essentially ready, he'd come in for a site plan | 00:26:13 | |
and then we would look at the street, we would look at the, the, the site. | 00:26:19 | |
And so there would be like a formal site plan and then at that time too we could we could to do a deeper dive into the into the | 00:26:26 | |
street. But there's there's lots of ways I mean with the with the on street parking that helps to slow traffic. There's areas | 00:26:32 | |
potentially where you might you know if you do like a refuge island creating some of those those pinch points creates more of like | 00:26:38 | |
a walking feel and there's and there's things with like surface material and there's there's quite a few things. | 00:26:45 | |
That we could do. One of the things that Nasim requested as well was that as a pedestrian goes into the crosswalk that there's a | 00:26:52 | |
light, an overhead light that actually lights up the crosswalk itself. | 00:26:57 | |
And so that's so it's not just like the flashing indicators, but it's a light that would provide an illumination to the actual | 00:27:03 | |
crossing. So you know, if it's not you would see someone walking across. So there's quite a bit we we could do to this section to | 00:27:08 | |
make it more of a kind of a slower easier crossing St. Cool. | 00:27:14 | |
Yeah, and Nissim's saying we're getting those for the other crosswalks as well. So very cool. | 00:27:22 | |
Cool. I had a question, I guess, about the other park that's kind of. | 00:27:27 | |
Being used as a dog park. Are their intentions to keep that being used as a dog park or hope that everybody starts to use this new | 00:27:32 | |
area? | 00:27:35 | |
I could. So we so we're actually going to push that back to the HOA. So right now it's a, it's a City Park, but it actually | 00:27:40 | |
functions more like an like an HOA park and then. | 00:27:46 | |
Like like Mike discussed before. | 00:27:53 | |
You know dogs are pretty big issue, so that would allow the HOA then to enforce like the like the no dog off leash rules and. | 00:27:55 | |
After your dog? Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah, you know. | 00:28:04 | |
Especially in a detention pond. Yeah, exactly. | 00:28:08 | |
OK. | 00:28:12 | |
Um. | 00:28:13 | |
How, how big is that area for that proposed, I guess, dog park? | 00:28:14 | |
You know how big that is? | 00:28:20 | |
6644 square feet. It's 21 feet by 316 in length, 21 by 316. | 00:28:26 | |
OK. | 00:28:35 | |
Umm. | 00:28:37 | |
And then as far as um. | 00:28:38 | |
We're not trying to do any kind of asphalt trail connections through this area at all, are we? I have a trail as part of my | 00:28:42 | |
original development agreement that goes along the base of the. | 00:28:48 | |
Feel for the bridge. | 00:28:54 | |
So I pick up the sidewalk on center. | 00:28:56 | |
Where the sidewalk ends. And then I tie a asphalt trail to that sidewalk. Perfect. And that sidewalk goes all along the base of | 00:29:00 | |
the fill. | 00:29:05 | |
And it goes all the way to the trail. | 00:29:10 | |
That parallels the track. | 00:29:13 | |
Awesome. That's great. | 00:29:16 | |
And then I know that this is going to be asked by the public, so I might as well ask it myself as far as. | 00:29:21 | |
Selling any of these units, is that a possibility to sell some or is leasing like? | 00:29:27 | |
At this point, we'd probably. | 00:29:33 | |
OK. | 00:29:36 | |
I don't. I don't env. | 00:29:37 | |
That these units would ever be sold. | 00:29:39 | |
Because, because. | 00:29:42 | |
As. | 00:29:44 | |
We're seeing more and more of this as like mostly leased units. I know that there were a lot of residents that were kind of | 00:29:45 | |
disappointed that the rest of the units in the area were being leased. | 00:29:50 | |
And we want people to feel connected to the community in such a way that they feel like they. | 00:29:55 | |
Invest in the community by purchasing a unit. | 00:30:01 | |
I'd love to. | 00:30:06 | |
Some kind of push towards something like that? | 00:30:08 | |
Especially with these small business ones where someone could purchase it and. | 00:30:12 | |
Continue their business here would be. | 00:30:17 | |
Uh. | 00:30:21 | |
Mike, it'll be plaited so that you guys could if you if you change your mind. | 00:30:22 | |
The biggest reason you're seeing so much of this now with least townhomes? | 00:30:28 | |
Is because of building. | 00:30:33 | |
I mean, I've got units in pod One, for instance. If I wanted to come out on top, I'd have to sell that bigger unit for over | 00:30:36 | |
700,000. | 00:30:39 | |
For a townhouse you know. | 00:30:44 | |
So and we made the decision in you know a few months ago in part one, phase one. | 00:30:47 | |
That with our overall. | 00:30:53 | |
We're better to lease those and I'm not saying that down the road they wouldn't be resold or be sold, but for right now our plan | 00:30:56 | |
is to lease them out. | 00:31:00 | |
OK. | 00:31:06 | |
And you know in part one, phase one, we're doing one year leases. You know, I don't know how long they'll stay and we have a, you | 00:31:08 | |
know another project in Harriman. | 00:31:12 | |
With three bedroom units, I mean, I've got people that have been in there now for four. | 00:31:18 | |
I think a lot of it depends on what interest rates do. A lot of it depends on, you know what I mean? Costs aren't coming down. | 00:31:23 | |
And everybody says that costs are really starting to come. | 00:31:32 | |
They're not coming down the only thing that's happening in the. | 00:31:36 | |
We've seen a drop in lumber and we've seen somewhat of a drop in concrete, but what's happening is the subcontractors now instead | 00:31:39 | |
of saying. | 00:31:43 | |
You know, we'll put you on our waiting list. | 00:31:47 | |
They're more readily available to come. | 00:31:50 | |
But we're not seeing a big drop in costs. | 00:31:53 | |
You know. | 00:31:56 | |
We track it weekly. It kind of is what? | 00:31:58 | |
I don't see, even if the economy gets better, that prices are going to start to drop. | 00:32:02 | |
And then the other thing will be. | 00:32:09 | |
Parking plan. | 00:32:11 | |
With other developments that we've had, parking becomes an issue because. | 00:32:14 | |
It's not managed. | 00:32:20 | |
So we want to see what your management plan is going to be for this area just so that we don't have residents that move in here | 00:32:23 | |
and. | 00:32:27 | |
Once the units finally fill, they come to the city and they're like you didn't. | 00:32:31 | |
Make there be enough parking here so we want to make sure that it's managed correctly that people know. | 00:32:35 | |
Exactly how much parking that they have that they're not using their garages for storage, especially businesses that are could | 00:32:40 | |
potentially be using this for just storing their merchandise. | 00:32:45 | |
So do you have a management plan already or yeah, so it's our intent to always have an on site manager. | 00:32:52 | |
OK. Right now they'll be in one of the units in part one, phase one and then when the clubhouse is done, there will be two offices | 00:32:59 | |
inside the clubhouse and we will always have it staffed. | 00:33:04 | |
OK. | 00:33:09 | |
And that. | 00:33:09 | |
I mean a lot of it is that's the way we do it. I mean whether it be Harriman or anywhere else, we deal with parking issues all the | 00:33:11 | |
time and. | 00:33:15 | |
We. | 00:33:19 | |
We'll have a small sticker that they'll put on their back window. | 00:33:21 | |
Or front window, we haven't decided but. | 00:33:24 | |
If they're there, they get a warning. We find and. | 00:33:26 | |
Because nothing hurts a project worse than. | 00:33:32 | |
Cars parked everywhere, Yeah. And we, yeah. We just want to make sure that residents, when they lease units, that they're aware | 00:33:35 | |
that this is how many cars you're allowed to have. | 00:33:40 | |
And there. | 00:33:46 | |
And that's it. | 00:33:47 | |
Umm. | 00:33:50 | |
Are there any other questions? Yeah. Do you have an estimate of what you anticipate these running out for? | 00:33:50 | |
If things stay the way they are right now. | 00:34:00 | |
Probably between 19122. | 00:34:03 | |
How big are these units? | 00:34:07 | |
There are between about. | 00:34:09 | |
Right around 16 to I think my biggest units, that corner unit, I think it's around 2200. | 00:34:11 | |
OK. And that includes the commercial space, that includes the commercial space. How big, how big are you imagining the commercial | 00:34:17 | |
space is to be about? | 00:34:21 | |
If I include the bathroom with them, they. | 00:34:36 | |
300 Square. | 00:34:42 | |
Is there any opportunity for low income? | 00:34:45 | |
No. | 00:34:49 | |
This is probably getting more into site plan territory, but you know most businesses want some sort of signage. | 00:34:53 | |
But I don't think it makes sense to have, you know, 56 right lit up signs in a residential area, right? So what's? | 00:34:59 | |
What's the thought there as far as you pull into it and you need to find the hair salon or the proper signage at each of the, what | 00:35:06 | |
we'll call the Plaza areas that will that we can change if their business changes or whatever. So we'll do that. | 00:35:14 | |
On each of the plazas, and I have four of them. | 00:35:22 | |
And to keep it uniform to it, we probably could put something in there that like on their actual suite that it's a sign that's no | 00:35:26 | |
larger than like like 2 square feet. I think our home occupation code is something similar to that. But so you can't like, yeah, | 00:35:33 | |
we'll want to keep an eye on that. Yeah, you want to have could get crazy different things in there. | 00:35:40 | |
Do you anticipate mimicking this if it works in some of the other pods? | 00:35:48 | |
The only place I could do this is in pod 2. | 00:35:53 | |
Which is on the backside of Pod One that ties into the Orem City Park. | 00:35:57 | |
That's really because everything else is plotted, I think we. | 00:36:02 | |
Just roughly, I think I still have around 300, three, 125 single family. | 00:36:06 | |
None of those will be changed. | 00:36:11 | |
But in pod. | 00:36:13 | |
This could work in pod too and but if I did it I mean I. | 00:36:15 | |
Don't hold me to anything. | 00:36:19 | |
We've. | 00:36:21 | |
Especially because of the number of college students here, we've looked at a micro unit. | 00:36:23 | |
Micro unit is another word for a tiny home. | 00:36:29 | |
When I say tiny, I'm talking. | 00:36:33 | |
You'd probably have somewhere around 5:25 to 550 square feet but a standalone tiny home. They in order to make it work, they'd be | 00:36:36 | |
connected, but it would just be a smaller. | 00:36:42 | |
Maybe 1 college student. You could probably take the rents down. | 00:36:48 | |
1000 to 1200. | 00:36:53 | |
But we've looked a little bit about expanding if this works. | 00:36:56 | |
As. | 00:37:01 | |
Talked about we are planning if it works and if we have enough demand, we could put a 5000 square foot building on one of the | 00:37:03 | |
plazas and still have plenty. | 00:37:09 | |
Plenty of room. That would be a two-story building, so it wouldn't be any taller. | 00:37:16 | |
We've looked. | 00:37:20 | |
Podcast. | 00:37:23 | |
Conference. | 00:37:25 | |
Cubicles. | 00:37:27 | |
So. | 00:37:29 | |
I'm not aware of anything like this in Utah. That's been done yet. I'm not saying that you couldn't find it, but I'm not aware of | 00:37:32 | |
anything. | 00:37:35 | |
But I think you'll be surprised at the demand, especially from the college students from BYU and UVU that have. | 00:37:39 | |
You know, the idea of being able to create a business in. | 00:37:46 | |
So I really like the. | 00:37:52 | |
I'm really concerned because I mean I've never seen something like it, but haven't done small businesses like. | 00:37:54 | |
Huge benefit there, but. | 00:37:59 | |
It's just different. It's very different and and you have no idea how many people are going to, I mean somebody could be really | 00:38:01 | |
popular and you're going to get a ton of traffic in there. We have Holdaway Rd. there that's had, you know, their concerns with | 00:38:06 | |
with coming and going. We're going to have the other pods built. | 00:38:11 | |
It's it's just very different. It's giving me a little concern of do we know what this is going to do traffic wise to that area | 00:38:17 | |
so. | 00:38:20 | |
And then how many units is it for this entire for the whole development? Again, odd one. I have 200 and 88288. | 00:38:28 | |
My map here. I've had this map since I moved to veneer, so I was just curious. It's still accurate. So 288 on the map, so cool. | 00:38:39 | |
And going back to the original plan, I had 56 in here. So we're not increasing the density, not increasing. These footprints are | 00:38:45 | |
actually a little bit smaller than what I'm currently doing. | 00:38:51 | |
On positive, are you going to have that planning connecting and then connecting on Holdaway Road as well? You want the whole | 00:38:59 | |
story. I think it's good, like you know how this will kind of interconnect? | 00:39:03 | |
Traffic wise, my development agreement. | 00:39:08 | |
Because going back to 2010, 2011 won't allow it. The two families said no, I'm restricted to have any access on the whole way. | 00:39:12 | |
So I have the storm drain sewer water that's on the shoulder of hold away but as it is worded right now I have I cannot have any | 00:39:24 | |
access onto all the way. | 00:39:29 | |
Do we plan, I mean is that and that's planned? | 00:39:39 | |
Development, I mean it's in the development agreement when when they did. | 00:39:42 | |
When they bought this land. | 00:39:46 | |
All the land pretty much that connects could have potentially connected to Holdaway Rd. They said that they couldn't connect | 00:39:49 | |
anywhere. So whether that's the Elms where I live or this development or the single family homes that are going in next to this | 00:39:56 | |
development, it doesn't mean the city can't connect if we want if they change that development agreement, OK, So that's going to | 00:40:03 | |
stay the way it is. I would say for the foreseeable future. I would guess that it would probably stay the same. | 00:40:10 | |
And we've always made our, like our walking trail that'll go along, hold away. It's on our side of the, it's on our property. | 00:40:19 | |
It'll eventually tied to the school and then it goes. | 00:40:23 | |
South and then connects back over to the City Park. We'll probably do that in the next year, but even that. | 00:40:29 | |
I couldn't put it. | 00:40:35 | |
Along the side of. | 00:40:37 | |
Yeah. | 00:40:39 | |
Yep. | 00:40:40 | |
Umm. | 00:40:43 | |
Did you guys have any other questions or I'm going to let the public come and ask some questions. Sometimes we miss a couple of | 00:40:44 | |
things. So you have some questions, Daria. | 00:40:48 | |
OK, if you wouldn't mind and I'll write down your questions like normally do and. | 00:40:53 | |
Daria Evans, Menu resident. Thank you. | 00:41:05 | |
I just have a couple questions I need clarification at the beginning of this agenda tonight, it said under the summary of request. | 00:41:08 | |
It's at the community garden. Water stuff was going to be on the West. | 00:41:18 | |
And then further down it says it's on the. | 00:41:22 | |
So I don't know which is which. It's from what? He explained. It's going to be on the east. It will be on the east, yes, OK, next | 00:41:25 | |
to the trail there, The Walking trail that goes under the overpass, Okay. | 00:41:30 | |
Sure. I'll have her ask Oliver questions. | 00:41:36 | |
I haven't clarified that, just OK and then it says at the beginning of it says 56 town. | 00:41:40 | |
And then the legend says 55 units with 50 parking spaces. | 00:41:46 | |
So I just want a clarification on that. | 00:41:51 | |
And I want. | 00:41:55 | |
How much the first floor is increasing? | 00:41:57 | |
How height flies and what will the total height of? | 00:42:01 | |
Residential unit B. | 00:42:04 | |
OK. | 00:42:06 | |
And. | 00:42:07 | |
I I didn't quite hear him say how large those units. | 00:42:10 | |
Will be. I thought he said 1600 to 2000, so I'd like to need that clarified. | 00:42:15 | |
And will these units? | 00:42:20 | |
Look like the units that are. | 00:42:23 | |
To the West, that first unit would be of those townhomes that are already finished. Well, these units look like that. | 00:42:27 | |
And if you put if they decide to put in that Co working space. | 00:42:35 | |
In that Plaza 2 area, does that mean that they will be taking out that playground? | 00:42:40 | |
Right. | 00:42:46 | |
And also I am concerned about the on street parking because when I ride my bike down there. | 00:42:47 | |
It's a tight Rd. | 00:42:54 | |
And I'm on the sidewalk and it's tight and if you have parking there. | 00:42:56 | |
And people are going to come. | 00:43:02 | |
Yeah. | 00:43:04 | |
The way it is situated. So those are my questions. Thank you very much. | 00:43:05 | |
Any other public comments? | 00:43:10 | |
Go ahead, grade. | 00:43:12 | |
Great and Hustler, Vineyard resident. | 00:43:17 | |
Thanks Mike for coming out just. | 00:43:21 | |
This is an exciting development. I do have a few questions as far as you know management down the road. | 00:43:24 | |
56 different. | 00:43:32 | |
Bus. | 00:43:34 | |
Are going to be created. | 00:43:36 | |
You know, how friendly will you? | 00:43:39 | |
With working with the city if there. | 00:43:42 | |
Certain. | 00:43:46 | |
Maybe, Yeah, one business is just super busy and. | 00:43:48 | |
20. | 00:43:54 | |
At any given. | 00:43:56 | |
Or maybe. | 00:43:59 | |
10 different businesses that are super busy and some. | 00:44:03 | |
Maybe you could just kind of speak on that as far? | 00:44:07 | |
Regulation of your. | 00:44:11 | |
And the type of. | 00:44:15 | |
How you? | 00:44:18 | |
What they're doing and what their demand or need is. | 00:44:20 | |
And that's kind of. | 00:44:26 | |
Concern. Thanks. | 00:44:28 | |
Thanks, Gray. | 00:44:30 | |
Any other? Yeah, go ahead. | 00:44:32 | |
I'm Kristen Crespo, Vineyard resident, so the parking along the road reminds me a lot of Provo Center St. because they were parked | 00:44:37 | |
there. It's so hard to get out once you're parked. I hate backing out because, like sometimes they'll be a big truck beside me and | 00:44:44 | |
I cannot see until I am, like, basically in the road. | 00:44:52 | |
That's scary, That parking and just being able to back out and not hit another car or someone coming along, and also someone's | 00:44:59 | |
backing out and already in the road and you're like slamming on your brakes. | 00:45:04 | |
So that's concerning for that parking along the street. | 00:45:10 | |
That was my biggest thing. So thanks. Awesome. Thank you. | 00:45:16 | |
Any other public comments? | 00:45:21 | |
Could I have you stand back up Mike and I could just I could just a couple of those. Oh sure. So as far as the parking goes that | 00:45:25 | |
that that's definitely something that's concerned. We do have Ave. consultants who is a are are and and Hales Engineering they're | 00:45:31 | |
both traffic consultants that we have in retainer. And so when we do the site plan we'll have them look at that and and look at | 00:45:38 | |
how how do you make it safe because there are ways that you can make parking on on St. safer. | 00:45:44 | |
7A Deeper stall and. | 00:45:55 | |
Right. | 00:46:02 | |
Right. And there's other options that's a, this is a pull in angle there. There's another that's a reverse back end angle where | 00:46:05 | |
instead of pulling in you drive past it and and then you back in and those. Yeah and those those are a lot safer for for pulling | 00:46:12 | |
out and we are testing that in the the Promenade in downtown to see see how it functions. It's so it's kind of people get kind of | 00:46:20 | |
annoyed with having to to back in but then it makes it a lot safer for pulling out because your eyes are looking forward. | 00:46:28 | |
Absolutely. So we would have our our consultant look at that and help us with with kind of designing that. | 00:46:43 | |
The as far as the the height of the overall building, they're constrained to 35 feet that that's our standard for. | 00:46:51 | |
You know, townhomes and and just single family homes. Mike you you might be able to address that. I like how hard. | 00:46:58 | |
And then the ground floor too. | 00:47:06 | |
Do you know what the ground floor is going to be? | 00:47:09 | |
And the size? He did say 1600 to 2200. | 00:47:17 | |
With the commercial space being about 300 square feet. | 00:47:23 | |
And then the garden area you wanted to clarify. | 00:47:28 | |
The. | 00:47:32 | |
You can you can point on that one over there if you want. | 00:47:35 | |
On our development plans, I have the water. Water. | 00:47:38 | |
And then Mike, architecturally, I know you have kind of the paper drawings and so if you would. | 00:47:50 | |
Would you? | 00:47:55 | |
Yeah. But maybe for this, could you just, could they. Oh, you do. Yeah. Yeah. It's more of a storefront. OK, great. And then with | 00:47:57 | |
the 56 townhomes, is it going to be 56 townhomes and 56 parking spaces? | 00:48:03 | |
For 56 times. | 00:48:10 | |
Times. | 00:48:12 | |
OK. | 00:48:15 | |
Parking spaces within a. | 00:48:17 | |
Within a garage. | 00:48:19 | |
I mean those. | 00:48:22 | |
They're all in the backside. | 00:48:24 | |
Going back to our development agreement. | 00:48:27 | |
There was, I think this is an what's called an alley. | 00:48:32 | |
Yeah. | 00:48:35 | |
So on the back sides of all of those will either have A1 car garage or A2 car garage. If they have a one car garage, then I'm | 00:48:38 | |
building I'm building an additional garage so that everybody has. | 00:48:43 | |
Is there any visitor spaces? I believe right, Yeah, here and these end caps. | 00:48:52 | |
Is there any visitor parking beyond that? | 00:48:58 | |
Yes. | 00:49:00 | |
So. | 00:49:01 | |
Look. | 00:49:02 | |
I have. | 00:49:09 | |
So go. | 00:49:11 | |
So along the trail. | 00:49:13 | |
Said 18 or 20. That's 1818. Yep, and I have visitor parking up there of an additional 15. | 00:49:16 | |
Now. | 00:49:24 | |
And then I have the parking in the front, so. | 00:49:30 | |
Visitor parking on site, I have 18 and 15, so 33 and then maybe for the the next meeting we showed the overall pod one because | 00:49:32 | |
Mike is adding additional parking throughout the development that won't necessarily serve like the commerce, but but it's | 00:49:39 | |
providing more capacity and I don't know if you know that number. Yeah, so there's there's quite a bit of parking that's going to | 00:49:45 | |
be added just in the development. | 00:49:51 | |
Plan of Pod One. On the development agreement, I've added an additional 167 parking spaces to Odd One. Cool. | 00:49:58 | |
All right. | 00:50:07 | |
And then as far as the looks of the buildings, are they going to look similar to the other buildings that have currently been | 00:50:08 | |
built or no, OK. | 00:50:13 | |
Uh. | 00:50:19 | |
As far as like the standards, is that going to be Mike, if you haven't even hold it up just so they can see it and we'll have it | 00:50:20 | |
in the packet, OK? | 00:50:24 | |
OK, well, they're not too different. | 00:50:31 | |
They're three stories, so they're taller, yeah. | 00:50:34 | |
No. | 00:50:42 | |
All. | 00:50:44 | |
Cool. And we can get these entered in for the public hearing, yeah. | 00:50:45 | |
Cool. | 00:50:52 | |
Is there going to be a prevention on subletting? So somebody rents a unit and then they're like, oh, I'm going to rent out just | 00:50:56 | |
that commercial space, OK. Yeah, in regards to the commercial. | 00:51:01 | |
What our development agreement? | 00:51:06 | |
Anybody. | 00:51:10 | |
Floor has to get a conditional use from the. | 00:51:13 | |
And. | 00:51:16 | |
So. | 00:51:19 | |
Between ourselves on the management side and the city on the permitting side and licensing side. | 00:51:19 | |
Yeah. | 00:51:28 | |
Protect. | 00:51:30 | |
Who? | 00:51:32 | |
I asked that because I think are we going to have a long line of people there? And then I mean because right up the street we have | 00:52:07 | |
Starbucks and you know in the morning it gets busy and I can see the outdoor Plaza areas too. That's something Mike and I've | 00:52:13 | |
talked about that if if there is like a demand for like a little coffee shop, we you know that that's the space that could be | 00:52:19 | |
programmed to have more outdoor dining as well. | 00:52:25 | |
OK. And then if that building is built in Plaza? | 00:52:33 | |
Is that positive too right? | 00:52:39 | |
Does that get rid of the playground that's there or? | 00:52:41 | |
OK. | 00:52:45 | |
The color map I showed was was was an earlier rendition that was only colored one I had at the time, OK. So we'll have, we'll have | 00:52:47 | |
everything updated. So the I I believe that's that'll just be outdoor space, OK. That would just be like a Plaza. | 00:52:54 | |
OK. And the playground would be in the Upper West northwest corner if this was the older? | 00:53:03 | |
Map and so yeah, I was just trying to give you some of the context a little bit more visual. So this will be updated to reflect | 00:53:12 | |
this map here. | 00:53:16 | |
And then as far as biking, one thing was the trail connection is going to be going through there, so. | 00:53:25 | |
That trail will go along the whole Northside of this. | 00:53:32 | |
And connect to the trail, so if somebody's coming pretty much anywhere. | 00:53:35 | |
The northern side, they would just take that trail and Justice avoid that road altogether because currently you'd have to go to | 00:53:41 | |
the other side of the road and then go under the underpass. So I think that that will take a lot of traffic. | 00:53:47 | |
A lot of bicycle traffic off the road, except for the bicyclists that are probably already going close to 25 miles an hour. | 00:53:54 | |
Um. | 00:54:01 | |
Yeah, it's not me. | 00:54:03 | |
And then as far as if there is a is a business. | 00:54:06 | |
In demand they they're trending like is there something like? | 00:54:10 | |
Is there anything you plan on having in place as far as managing something that's getting too much traffic or? | 00:54:17 | |
Agreement. But I can't. | 00:54:26 | |
Yeah, it's 300 square feet. | 00:54:28 | |
If you had a coffee shop there or small bakery, you might have. | 00:54:33 | |
OK. | 00:54:47 | |
Whatever it is they're picking up, they'll go out and sit. | 00:54:48 | |
OK. | 00:54:51 | |
I'm not. I mean, going back to our list. | 00:54:52 | |
Morgan I can't think of any. | 00:54:55 | |
Yeah, really the idea and one thing that I would say kind of been that would be a benefit for the rental. I get that the ownership | 00:55:02 | |
is great. You know it's someone's like is buying space, they can be there long term. But with the the rental model from an | 00:55:09 | |
economic development standpoint what what we see it as as as incubator space that this is a place where you have people can start | 00:55:15 | |
businesses then as they expand. | 00:55:21 | |
Hopefully we do our. | 00:55:27 | |
And retain them in the city, but they they move to like a, you know, one of the larger like office buildings like in the downtown | 00:55:29 | |
or in the forge around the movie theater that there's you know, that that's our hope is that this is a way for us to grow. | 00:55:36 | |
Like the small grassroots businesses into larger businesses that can stay in Vineyard, not all of them will, but that's that's | 00:55:44 | |
kind of the hope. | 00:55:48 | |
OK. | 00:55:53 | |
Did I cover everything? Daria, you have another question. OK, Yeah, come ahead. Yeah, you gotta. | 00:55:55 | |
If someone leases it and. | 00:56:05 | |
Starts a. | 00:56:07 | |
And it said it's not a go. | 00:56:09 | |
Would they still have to pay the city? | 00:56:16 | |
Yeah. | 00:56:21 | |
The whole lease. | 00:56:24 | |
Yeah. So essentially these are. | 00:56:26 | |
The other way to view this is these are all just normal single family dwellings. They're all, and. | 00:56:30 | |
Allowing it so that they can have a storefront, like it would be like a house, like if I decided to run a business out of my | 00:56:38 | |
house, which I actually do. | 00:56:41 | |
Than. | 00:56:46 | |
It's just allowing. | 00:56:48 | |
Different types of uses where people can walk up or there can actually be car traffic and stuff like that, so. | 00:56:50 | |
So the the commercial and the residential space, are there one in the same? | 00:56:58 | |
And that's another one of the kind of the benefits from like a small business standpoint is you're combining kind of the amount | 00:57:04 | |
they would because typically if you go and just rent commercial space that's going to be fairly expensive and then a unit is going | 00:57:10 | |
to be fairly expensive to rent for living. But if you combine them, it gives you kind of the benefit of of you know the cost | 00:57:16 | |
savings of of of using that space in a dual purpose. | 00:57:21 | |
Were there any other questions from the public? | 00:57:31 | |
All right. I think we've addressed everything. Did you guys have any other questions? | 00:57:33 | |
Did you guys have any other? | 00:57:38 | |
I did want to just note you mentioned Provo Provo center. | 00:57:40 | |
Not that people drive this, but uh. | 00:57:44 | |
The speed limit is 15 miles an hour. | 00:57:47 | |
It's the first article that popped up when I googled what is Provo Center St. It said it's 15 miles an hour, but studies have | 00:57:52 | |
shown it's 35 is what that is actually driven. | 00:57:56 | |
Anyway, yeah, I think you bring up a good point. You know, if there's ever places that feel unsafe or haven't worked the way that | 00:58:02 | |
you'd think, like we. | 00:58:06 | |
Design these properly so that it functions the way that we hope for. Now installed the speed tables. | 00:58:10 | |
Near where the City Hall is. And So what they're trying to do is catch people as they enter that zone. So the speed table kind of | 00:58:17 | |
helps sets the the tone they're they're still going to go faster than 15, but they're doing that turn could be. | 00:58:24 | |
Scary. | 00:58:33 | |
And this is a question I guess for staff, if you guys even know, Does Orem have any plans for making that intersection better on | 00:58:36 | |
400 S and? | 00:58:40 | |
Yeah, I think, I think there are plans in the works they've they've said that they they're working on it and Nasim is also working | 00:58:48 | |
with. | 00:58:53 | |
With our staff and with Orem to try to look at options there. | 00:58:58 | |
Yeah, I think the idea is cool. I, of course am a strong proponent for at home businesses like. | 00:59:08 | |
Like I said. | 00:59:15 | |
But. | 00:59:17 | |
Yeah, if you can bring anything as far as management plan on? | 00:59:19 | |
How you're planning on managing it, how you're planning on informing residents of their parking, That would be helpful. | 00:59:23 | |
And then? | 00:59:29 | |
Yeah. | 00:59:32 | |
Yeah. Besides that, I think everything looks good. We'll have our. | 00:59:34 | |
One just popped into my head. Where's the pedestrian island or pedestrian refuge? | 00:59:38 | |
You said might be on this for the crossing, I believe. Yeah, Naseem stepped out. I don't know if you if you know this one. Yeah, I | 00:59:43 | |
don't think you're in that meeting. I believe in Mike, you probably know, but I believe Nasim wanted it here because that accesses | 00:59:49 | |
the clubhouse And so you're gonna see the most traffic with at least the internal residents crossing back and forth from the | 00:59:55 | |
clubhouse, which would be the kind of the hub on the South side and then to the live work units. | 01:00:01 | |
All right. Thank you so much. Thanks, Mike. See you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, Good to see you too. | 01:00:10 | |
All right. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure, did anybody have anything to report or | 01:00:15 | |
disclose? I've got a couple of things. One, I'll also bring this up to the bike Commission, but I was at a conference for work, a | 01:00:21 | |
sustainability conference in Boston earlier this week. | 01:00:27 | |
And they had a whole lot of good information about. | 01:00:34 | |
It was mostly geared toward higher education, but campuses are essentially just little cities, Walkable cities. | 01:00:37 | |
I mean I I don't know what the I don't know if there's a penalty or anything but we're under state code we're told they to get 4 | 01:01:15 | |
hours and we we we can also send out just some like videos and and things to to educate you and maybe we'll. | 01:01:21 | |
Another training before the end of the year, but yeah, we definitely got to try to get at least two more and I think you all will | 01:01:27 | |
be covered. | 01:01:31 | |
So and so you Anthony you you can count that, you know if it's anything related to planning, you know it can be sustainability, it | 01:01:35 | |
can be traffic and urban design whatnot, economic development, any of that could count, so great. | 01:01:44 | |
One other thing I had. | 01:01:52 | |
Probably heightened awareness of this just because of elections going on and people going back and figuring out like what was | 01:01:54 | |
said, what was planned and when. | 01:01:57 | |
I've had a couple of residents. | 01:02:02 | |
Why? The recordings are not posted for all of the Planning Commission, so it might be good to just do. | 01:02:05 | |
A quick audit. I'm looking online here and it looks like there's. | 01:02:11 | |
From March that don't have the actual audio and video recording. | 01:02:15 | |
We've been pretty good. | 01:02:20 | |
Having the minutes uploaded up until July and then I think we even though we've approved some, just getting those uploaded. | 01:02:22 | |
And that's at the request of, so yeah. | 01:02:29 | |
Keep it up today as quickly as possible because a lot of people can't come to these and they don't want to wait months to find out | 01:02:32 | |
what happened. Rachel is she, she's getting that that that'll upload it. So I'll talk with her. Pam. Pam has already met with us | 01:02:36 | |
on that. | 01:02:41 | |
Thank you. | 01:02:45 | |
Anything else? Yeah. | 01:02:47 | |
3 residents hit me up about a skate park. Does anybody have any idea on where that is or when it's going in? We're all three of | 01:02:50 | |
them, Bryce. | 01:02:53 | |
No, not one of them. So I guess more than Chris wants it as part of the Central Corridor open space plan, there was a spot that | 01:02:59 | |
was designated here on the City Hall lot. We are looking at the fire station. So if this lot is chosen as the fire station. | 01:03:07 | |
If there's room, we'll still do it, but if not then we would look at another spot. We are having a BYU class. | 01:03:17 | |
If you remember Jeff Knighton, that he was the chair of the commissioner for a while. Really great architect. He's teaching a | 01:03:24 | |
class. | 01:03:26 | |
So he they're looking at, they're doing like a design studio on what a Community Center could look for Vineyard. And they'll | 01:03:29 | |
they'll actually come in and do a presentation but just some really cool concepts and some of them are actually proposing like | 01:03:36 | |
that might be a good alternative in that area near the Community Center, same person actually asked me also about a mountain bike | 01:03:42 | |
thing about the green space. Yeah, so up north. | 01:03:48 | |
So the teardrop of downtown, it's like kind of teardrop shape, it's called Geneva Park that in the zoning that that's kind of | 01:03:56 | |
designated as open space. There are some big mounds there that have to be kept in place because that it that's the area where the | 01:04:02 | |
less like toxic material. | 01:04:08 | |
What was capped the place you can't eat the dirt don't don't eat the dirt but but but it's capped it's safe but that's an area | 01:04:14 | |
because they have to be hills anyway that we've actually been looking at doing like either a city mountain bike park and we've | 01:04:22 | |
also had like an adventure type business that does like climbing mountain biking rafting and and they they've been interested in | 01:04:29 | |
that too. So there's definitely a lot of interest but we haven't like necessarily designated a spot. | 01:04:36 | |
In the Central Corridor area, there's kind of the more I guess. | 01:04:44 | |
Grassroots type, you know, where like, the kids made like a small mountain bike. | 01:04:49 | |
That's actually pretty fun. I I took my bike on it good good berms and stuff. But that that's an area in the plan where the city | 01:04:53 | |
is designated putting additional resources. So not not to wipe out what the kids have done, but you know maybe making it a little | 01:05:00 | |
bit better at adding some some little rats. But it would be a small area right there. But if we do, if we do a big one, it would | 01:05:06 | |
be up, up north, north part of the city. | 01:05:12 | |
Perfect. There's also plans to do one on the beachfront somewhere at some point, right? Yeah, there's a few few areas we've looked | 01:05:19 | |
at. | 01:05:23 | |
Yep. | 01:05:27 | |
It's so nice to hear that not coming from me like. | 01:05:28 | |
Like to hear that? | 01:05:32 | |
Yeah. | 01:05:35 | |
Cool. Anything from staff? Yeah, really quick from planning. We recently held our stakeholder interviews with the economic develop | 01:05:38 | |
for the economic development strategic plan. Bryce was was interviewed as being a local business owner. So did that go well, I | 01:05:45 | |
don't think. | 01:05:52 | |
For like an hour. An hour, Yeah, they talked to me for a while. Yeah, they loved you. But they, they interviewed a lot of | 01:05:59 | |
businesses throughout the community, the stakeholders like UVU, U dot, mag, all those folks. | 01:06:05 | |
For for degrees that that could help you know fill jobs in those in that sector but kind of doing that all all together in one | 01:06:49 | |
area. So kind of the area where UVU is at now kind of the north side of that looking at doing a larger kind of medical village | 01:06:56 | |
where potentially you could have all those uses together and even provide like on site housing for for for doctors and for even | 01:07:04 | |
like for long term patients that have visitors that come so kind of creating. | 01:07:11 | |
A village concept. | 01:07:19 | |
Working with Leland Consultants, that's the economic development group and also Sasaki Urban Design is the group that's kind of | 01:07:21 | |
master planning the area with us. So anyway it's kind of a neat concept but it's got a lot of traction. | 01:07:28 | |
And with Huntsman coming, it's really kind of helped make it more of a reality so. | 01:07:37 | |
Anyway, I think medical is a great sector for the city to go after, yeah. | 01:07:44 | |
I'll report as well that we put in place that pedestrian refuge on 600 N and Main St. | 01:07:52 | |
So that the concrete's in the ramps are in the striping is was done today so. | 01:08:00 | |
Should be pretty close to complete, so cool. | 01:08:06 | |
Great to. | 01:08:10 | |
Cool. If there's nothing else, then meeting adjourned. | 01:08:11 |
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That's that is one benefit of the 20 minute commute. | 00:00:00 | |
What what this is is looking at an interesting use that would add the ability for folks to have a formal office. | 00:00:06 | |
And formal workplace within their their townhome and this is a use that's considered or called a live work unit. | 00:00:15 | |
So currently this portion of Pod 1 contains 56 entitled townhomes. | 00:00:24 | |
So these are townhomes that are already approved. They've gone through the site plan process. | 00:00:31 | |
You know they're they're essentially programmed to be built in one of the next phases. What this amendment would do, it would | 00:00:35 | |
allow for the live work units for so placing larger floor to ceiling heights on the on the ground floor to provide some office | 00:00:41 | |
space and to allow folks to live above where where they work. Additionally part of this request is to is to bring in some street | 00:00:48 | |
parking. | 00:00:54 | |
That that would go on really both sides of the street and what we'll do is during the public hearing, we'll we'll send you guys. | 00:01:01 | |
The full. | 00:01:08 | |
Sorry, I keep saying guys and gals. | 00:01:11 | |
Well, we'll send you the full package so you'll be able to see the like all the elements of the site. | 00:01:14 | |
But and then also it would provide 2 crossings. | 00:01:22 | |
And one of those crossings would have a refuge island in the middle and would have like the the flashing indicators to help warm | 00:01:26 | |
traffic. So the idea is to create this street into. | 00:01:33 | |
How this is set up is the live work units are oriented around plazas. | 00:02:19 | |
So these are outdoor open space, you could call them pocket parks, you can call them outdoor meeting spaces. So the idea is that | 00:02:24 | |
they're supposed to be multifunctional. So places where you know people can go out they they can you know grill and then also | 00:02:29 | |
providing places for people to. | 00:02:35 | |
Have like outdoor meetings and to to enjoy the kind of the fresh air and so that's kind of the overall idea was was providing that | 00:02:41 | |
opportunity for folks to be able to to live and and work within within their same unit. | 00:02:48 | |
We've seen that this use has become more and more popular. | 00:02:57 | |
And Mike will probably share with you kind of his experience with the development that they had in Salt Lake. | 00:03:02 | |
Where those the live work units were they're really kind of a hot commodity because a lot of people want that option. We're also | 00:03:09 | |
seeing more and more you know people are are just like remote working in general. Will there be 100% from home? | 00:03:17 | |
And and also people have, there's a really big demand for for people who have like even just side side gigs that where they have | 00:03:25 | |
like they do some accounting on the side they want to have a place where they can have a client com. | 00:03:31 | |
So it's a it's a project we're really excited about. It's something that we look at this and we say this is an opportunity for 56 | 00:03:37 | |
small businesses to start. | 00:03:42 | |
In our city and hopefully we can hold on to them and when they when they expand, they move into commercial space. | 00:03:47 | |
But this is just a really amazing opportunity because it really does. It provides 56 incubator spaces. | 00:03:55 | |
For small businesses that that could be part of a community and the people, the business owners will be living in the community. | 00:04:01 | |
And so it kind of provides that that that double ownership having a business in the community and and also living in the community | 00:04:07 | |
a few elements too. And I don't want to take all the Thunder from my because he'll run through this, but there is a demand for a | 00:04:13 | |
dog run and so up here there there'll be a fairly significant in length dog run where residents can you know throw a ball it'll | 00:04:19 | |
be. | 00:04:25 | |
They'll be fenced in. We'll have some obstacles for the dogs to play in. There'll be a playground, this area by the tracks. We | 00:04:31 | |
know the community gardens have been a really successful thing in the city. Mike has agreed to stub the water and so he'll he'll | 00:04:39 | |
he'll pay for the the utility to be run for the water. So when we want to expand our community garden program we can do that and | 00:04:46 | |
there's an area where the along the rail tracks that actually won't be on his property, so it'll be run by the city. | 00:04:53 | |
But it would provide, you know, plenty of space if we want to expand that program. Additionally, and this plan doesn't quite show | 00:05:01 | |
it, but there's parking being added on this area right here as well. That'll be open to the public. So it'll be on site parking | 00:05:06 | |
open to the public, so it'll be an easement put in place. | 00:05:12 | |
The reason for that is for the office of the community garden once if we can if we decide to expand there, but also there's | 00:05:18 | |
there's the trail there and that that trail is going to connect to the university and it's it's you know it's it's kind of planned | 00:05:24 | |
to be more and more usable recreational trail you know as time goes down and as the city builds out. So that will be actually a | 00:05:29 | |
nice spot for for people to to be able to access the the trail. | 00:05:35 | |
So let me. | 00:05:41 | |
Show you the black and white. So this gives you a. This is the more updated version but it is kind of the black and white | 00:05:43 | |
rendition. You can see the on street parking and then the crosswalks provided. | 00:05:50 | |
Noting the dog park up here on the north, parking provided for the public and for just you know general customers coming to to | 00:05:57 | |
patron the the businesses there and to point out these won't be like full blown restaurants. | 00:06:05 | |
Because those require grease traps, and there's some commercial building code that they would have to meet. | 00:06:13 | |
It wouldn't prohibit that. And so if there was interest in doing like a cafe that that could kind of service that that | 00:06:19 | |
neighborhood or something small, then they would have to meet that building code. So it would require upgrading. So it doesn't | 00:06:25 | |
necessarily stop them from doing that. So if that's something that would really benefit that neighborhood then you know the the | 00:06:31 | |
market demands it then. | 00:06:36 | |
You know, it might be nice to get kind of a little neighborhood cafe in there. One of the other things too to point out is. | 00:06:42 | |
There is a future spot where a small Co working space building can go and so that would be about kind of the idea is potentially | 00:06:49 | |
about 5000 square feet. What this building would do is it could provide. | 00:06:56 | |
Coworking space for the businesses that that are on site, so that it's a place where they can collaborate. So if you have | 00:07:04 | |
businesses that are working on projects together or that need more formal meeting space, then it provides kind of a small building | 00:07:09 | |
where where they can do that. | 00:07:14 | |
Now that would only come in if the if there was demand for it from the market and so you're not going to see that probably, you | 00:07:19 | |
know if that comes it'll be probably several years out, but that they have provided a spot where they wanted to have some | 00:07:26 | |
coworking space for for those those tenants they could go there. Another benefit too which I think is really interesting is that. | 00:07:34 | |
The residents here will also and you know if they have employees will have access to to the clubhouse. So the clubhouse will be a | 00:07:43 | |
shared benefit for everyone in the community and so it just kind of kind of provides that that additional amenity. | 00:07:51 | |
You know for that, that for pod one and those that live and. | 00:08:00 | |
Yeah, so this is a work session. Mike Olson is here. If Mike, I don't know if they'll probably have a few questions if you want to | 00:08:05 | |
come up to the podium. | 00:08:09 | |
That that is everything for me and I'm happy to answer any questions. | 00:08:14 | |
Thanks. | 00:08:18 | |
Good evening. I know a few of you. I have been here now for 13 years. | 00:08:22 | |
Started in 2010. | 00:08:28 | |
When we started here, there were 391 residents in December of 2011. | 00:08:30 | |
We, I'd like to say we've been part of the growth, but we've been around for a while. So give you a little bit of idea on how this | 00:08:38 | |
came up. | 00:08:42 | |
West Valley, Kern, Salt Lake. | 00:08:48 | |
Umm. | 00:08:51 | |
Came to me and said, you know we've got a number. | 00:08:52 | |
Residents of our city who, because of COVID, have moved their businesses into their homes. | 00:08:56 | |
Single moms, Pacific Islanders. | 00:09:02 | |
They were doing nails. They were doing. | 00:09:07 | |
They're trying to bake cookies. | 00:09:10 | |
They were doing everything they could. | 00:09:12 | |
You know. | 00:09:17 | |
So that their families could survive. | 00:09:18 | |
West Valley Kerns kind of left them alone through code enforcement because they realized. | 00:09:22 | |
If they shut them down, how's the family going to survive? | 00:09:30 | |
So we've literally been working on this plan now. And then I talked to Morgan and some of the city. | 00:09:35 | |
People about it and I thought if it works, you know, if they're having problems. | 00:09:42 | |
Kearns, West Valley, Salt Lake County. The same thing has to be happening in Vineyard with people that. | 00:09:48 | |
Whose businesses got shut down? Who started to work at home? So. | 00:09:53 | |
We're probably about the same stage. We'll break ground in the current West Valley, Salt Lake County area probably within, you | 00:09:59 | |
know, four to six months. | 00:10:04 | |
This one is about 3:00 to 4:00. | 00:10:09 | |
Ahead of that one. | 00:10:12 | |
So I started to work with our architects think Architecture to come up with the idea what would happen. | 00:10:14 | |
If you took the main floor and had. | 00:10:20 | |
Commercial zoning. | 00:10:23 | |
And put a residential zone on the second, the third. | 00:10:25 | |
And then so that kind of evolved into, OK, So what do you allow, what don't you allow? | 00:10:29 | |
If you limit a. | 00:10:35 | |
Commercial hood meaning exhaust to. | 00:10:39 | |
That limits what can be cooked and if I eliminate if I rest. | 00:10:42 | |
No deep fry. | 00:10:46 | |
That gives me another level of. | 00:10:48 | |
I'm not going to be. | 00:10:52 | |
Creating restaurants. | 00:10:54 | |
So we put together a list about six months ago with the help of the city attorney on. | 00:10:57 | |
Like. | 00:11:03 | |
Uses would be allowed. You know, everything from office use to an accounting office to somebody who wants to bake cookies to | 00:11:04 | |
whatever. | 00:11:08 | |
And. | 00:11:13 | |
Kind of the background of how it create, we got started on this. | 00:11:14 | |
My original development agreement that was recorded in 2011 allowed me 288 units on this site with 56 on this specific site. | 00:11:19 | |
And. | 00:11:31 | |
We have gone back and I have added which you'll see in the public hearing. I've added 167 parking spaces in pod One. | 00:11:32 | |
We did that by moving the curb and gutter back, moving buildings around so that I could maximize parking everywhere. | 00:11:42 | |
Then we got into. | 00:11:50 | |
Is there an area for a community garden so I can get a community garden access through our property? | 00:11:52 | |
Onto property that's owned by the city and you could access it along the trail. | 00:12:01 | |
Then we got in, Well, do you have room for a dog park? So. | 00:12:07 | |
These things have evolved literally over probably the last year and I feel like. | 00:12:10 | |
We've done everything we could to maximize the efficiency of the units and. | 00:12:16 | |
Efficiency of pod. | 00:12:23 | |
Any questions? | 00:12:28 | |
Cool. Yeah. Any questions from? Yeah. OK. So I know we don't have like a landscaping. | 00:12:30 | |
Really. Pointed out on this map yet, but with the dog park and no residents would prefer one. | 00:12:37 | |
That's shaded, probably all the ones I've seen so far. | 00:12:43 | |
A bunch of gravel with a little patch of grass. | 00:12:48 | |
It's not amenable to most dogs. | 00:12:52 | |
You're familiar with dogs. Some people are just putting that out there. This plan shows a line of trees, so maybe we can look at | 00:12:55 | |
the previous plan pre parking. | 00:13:00 | |
Added shows the trees. I'm wondering if that's going to be carried over. | 00:13:07 | |
Perfect. | 00:13:13 | |
I am pretty excited that. | 00:13:14 | |
My ask for the continuation of City Gardens in this area. | 00:13:18 | |
Is being taken seriously. | 00:13:23 | |
I think it would be great. | 00:13:25 | |
Residents on this side of. | 00:13:28 | |
And then also throughout other parts to have that option as well. | 00:13:31 | |
So in just a just a comment in regards to the garden area, the garden area is approximately 21 feet wide. | 00:13:34 | |
By 460 feet in. | 00:13:43 | |
We have parking will supply water because I can take water off of. | 00:13:48 | |
The project water that we bring in and then there will be a meter there that will be the cities. | 00:13:54 | |
So in regards to a dog park. | 00:13:59 | |
In our business, we find that we deal more with dogs now than we deal with children. | 00:14:03 | |
I mean. | 00:14:10 | |
And so the projects of ours that are finished, that are operating, 35 to 40% of the residents have dogs. | 00:14:11 | |
And it's an. | 00:14:20 | |
Every. | 00:14:25 | |
You know they eat the siding off the side of the building too. | 00:14:26 | |
The damage, the grass etc. So we isolated the dog park on the North End there. | 00:14:32 | |
We've tried everything from artificial grass to real grass to crushed granite to. | 00:14:38 | |
And I think we're almost there. We've almost figured out how to do it. | 00:14:45 | |
Because once they go on the gravel then you have to be able to get. | 00:14:50 | |
The urine and the. | 00:14:54 | |
Washed. | 00:14:56 | |
I'm not saying we're experts on dogs yet, but we're getting there. | 00:14:59 | |
Yeah, I think the key point is it's not hot for the dogs to walk on. | 00:15:04 | |
Enjoy their time there. | 00:15:10 | |
Anyway, but I think that that. | 00:15:13 | |
It's a great location for it. | 00:15:15 | |
In here, that's all I had. | 00:15:19 | |
Any other quest? | 00:15:21 | |
Yeah, I've got some questions. So as far as ownership here. | 00:15:22 | |
How does that work? What would someone buy the unit and they'd they'd own the townhome and the commercial space. There's the | 00:15:29 | |
commercial space being owned by you and just leased out. We're gonna lease it out. So all the commercial space will be owned by | 00:15:34 | |
our deal with the city, and our development agreement is that whoever lives in the unit. | 00:15:40 | |
Occupies the commercial space I don't want to deal. | 00:15:45 | |
Somebody who leases out the main. | 00:15:49 | |
You know and. | 00:15:52 | |
Something Oh, interesting. | 00:15:54 | |
Only like if I own the unit he wouldn't be in the commercial space. No, it could only be the owner and that goes to issues that we | 00:15:58 | |
started thinking about with your city attorney and how codes and stuff work and so that's what will be in the in the development. | 00:16:05 | |
So businesses go out of business sometimes as well or people career pivot So if I lived there and decided to no longer. | 00:16:12 | |
Run a business out of it? Would it just sit vacant? Or you could take the flex space and convert it into a family room and a | 00:16:20 | |
bedroom because the bathroom's already there, but they would continue leasing that space from you in addition to their ownership. | 00:16:24 | |
Interesting. | 00:16:29 | |
So we've looked at sales and leases and we think that we'll probably on this one will well even the one in Kearns West Valley will | 00:16:35 | |
lease the units. | 00:16:39 | |
We look at like you, you know, maybe UVU, BYU students that want to start a business. | 00:16:45 | |
I'm never renting. | 00:16:52 | |
And. | 00:16:54 | |
The opportunity to come here and put their business in their home. So timing wise we start say maybe in December this year. I | 00:16:55 | |
probably won't have units ready in there until. | 00:17:01 | |
Probably sometime second, third quarter of 2025, about 18 months from the time I break ground on the site before I have units | 00:17:08 | |
ready. And then along the similar line, if an investor, I mean there's lots of investors that buy these that would plan to rent | 00:17:14 | |
them out. We don't sell to investors. | 00:17:20 | |
And how do you? | 00:17:26 | |
They only lease them. We maintain ownership. We don't sell to investors for the commercial for any of it. | 00:17:29 | |
So from what I understand the commercial and the residential are tied together, it's 11 lease for one lease OK. I so these are not | 00:17:35 | |
owner occupied there, everything is being rented, OK that's what I was misunderstanding. OK, I was under. | 00:17:41 | |
Do these units? | 00:17:49 | |
Yeah. That was going to be my next question is the parking. Yeah. | 00:17:52 | |
So our development agreement, the original development agreement back in 2011, I can't build anything that doesn't have a minimum | 00:17:55 | |
of. | 00:17:59 | |
Cover 2 garages, so most of the units have two garages. I do have a thin unit and I build garages. | 00:18:04 | |
Kind of in the back and their standalones, but everybody has assigned 2 car garage with each unit. | 00:18:12 | |
Got. | 00:18:19 | |
So yeah, that was going to be my other question, just how this is parked. So take away all of the. | 00:18:20 | |
All this parking. | 00:18:28 | |
The residential parking is baked into those already, and then all the additional parking would be more for that commercial use, | 00:18:30 | |
but residents could park there as well, right? OK. | 00:18:36 | |
And that will all be man. | 00:18:42 | |
At least what we've got in the development agreement now is all of the parking will be managed in Pod One will be managed by the | 00:18:44 | |
HOA. | 00:18:48 | |
And we talked about both sides of the street, we'll have parking and so I don't know if you have that that exhibit, maybe we can | 00:18:51 | |
have that. I think we might have that the paper form, but we could have that as part of the packet for the, the public hearing. | 00:18:59 | |
But you'll have you know both sides. So it's actually called quite a bit like the question I have for city on that is. | 00:19:06 | |
We're using park strip and right of way. | 00:19:14 | |
For. | 00:19:18 | |
Umm. | 00:19:21 | |
You could probably debate whether that's a good thing, a bad thing, right? Some some might like it, some might not. | 00:19:22 | |
But you're going to get the. | 00:19:27 | |
Why are we doing that on this project and not others? Are we going to ditch park strips? | 00:19:30 | |
In other parts of the city to add additional parking and this may not be for you to answer necessarily, but I think every all know | 00:19:35 | |
that like if someone sees this and it looks like. | 00:19:40 | |
And the. | 00:19:44 | |
Parking for a development here but not here. Maybe you could comment on that. Yeah, standpoint I believe with this one. | 00:19:46 | |
Let's see our we'd have, we'd have to look at the width I think we're going to try to keep. | 00:19:55 | |
Like street trees where we can. | 00:20:01 | |
Umm. | 00:20:04 | |
Yeah, we may need to dig into that. And I'm paying. | 00:20:05 | |
Yeah. | 00:20:08 | |
So I'm part on my property in part on the right. | 00:20:09 | |
And all the improvements I pay for cities not paying for. | 00:20:14 | |
And going back to 2011? | 00:20:18 | |
2010. | 00:20:21 | |
With the planners that we're here. | 00:20:23 | |
I mean, and I don't, I'm not saying that we're now correcting things. | 00:20:25 | |
But by putting the parking the way that we're doing there and. | 00:20:30 | |
Access for the public, that slows the traffic. | 00:20:35 | |
Yep. No. So I'm not fighting for or against this necessarily. I'm just saying. But I'm telling you, it's what you open up like | 00:20:39 | |
someone, another developer that already has something that's established. If they came to the city and said, hey, can we tear out | 00:20:43 | |
the park strip and put in parking here? | 00:20:48 | |
Would the city say yes, No. You know, if they were going to fund it. So I'm just saying like once people see this, they might | 00:20:53 | |
think let's do it in other areas. Some might love that idea, some might not. We did the same thing on 3rd West. | 00:20:58 | |
Yeah, both that additional parking, we put that in, we pay for it, Yeah, with the idea that as those red, those Pod 6, Pod 7 fills | 00:21:05 | |
in. | 00:21:09 | |
You're going to have people that are going to use that trail system down there along the lake. | 00:21:14 | |
Started to think about a lot of it was Naseem. | 00:21:20 | |
And Morgan, that said, what could we do down there to? | 00:21:23 | |
You know, parking. And so I think it's going to work. | 00:21:27 | |
Yeah. And Mike maybe something we can work on before the next meeting is if there's not room for the traditional park strip doing | 00:21:31 | |
like the the property side trees because those are pretty nice. So instead of having the tree separating you from like traffic, | 00:21:37 | |
here you have the the parking stall that creates the buffer for the pedestrian. But maybe on the property side we we we try to get | 00:21:43 | |
some trees. So you still get some of the canopy. | 00:21:49 | |
No. | 00:21:57 | |
I guess an additional question with the parking, would this be have the same limits that it does on 300 W where it's no overnight | 00:21:59 | |
parking? | 00:22:02 | |
Correct. | 00:22:06 | |
You go ahead. | 00:22:09 | |
On these. | 00:22:13 | |
Is there like room that you could add? | 00:22:15 | |
Like simple auto care or something like if they have garages people could pull in a car and like. | 00:22:17 | |
Take care of some minor maintenance and so we've talked about it. We won't allow any mechanical. | 00:22:23 | |
Any mechanics or oil changes or anything like that? | 00:22:28 | |
Mostly because I don't want the environmental. | 00:22:33 | |
If somebody was to spill something and I have to clean it up. | 00:22:36 | |
We took that off. | 00:22:40 | |
You know, yeah, we thought about kind of the noise too, because if you are, if you do have someone living. | 00:22:42 | |
Like right next to where the garage, it is a good kind of idea where you could provide kind of a neighborhood like auto service | 00:22:46 | |
for people but just with the air guns and whatnot like, you know I could somebody with that size garage is going to have an air | 00:22:53 | |
gun or everybody goes for like little battery Milwaukee nowadays but. | 00:22:59 | |
Did you have any questions, Chris? Yeah, I'm just, I'm looking at the county parcel map. So is this all being done? | 00:23:11 | |
On the existing pod one or is there some of that Vineyard City land that some of the road and parking stuff is going to be on that | 00:23:17 | |
as well? Yeah, so just the street. There was a swap that still needs to occur. We worked with Mikey team when we did the overpass | 00:23:23 | |
and I wasn't. | 00:23:29 | |
I think it was Don Overson who kind of managed that project, but I didn't see my note. But there, well, there was, there was an | 00:23:36 | |
exchange so that we got the land for the overpass, you got the land for the overpass and you got the land for a new Vineyard Rd. | 00:23:41 | |
at no cost. | 00:23:46 | |
And then I got anything that was leftover after you were done building the bridge. So let's present it here is taking into account | 00:23:51 | |
that's yeah. So we still we still need to make picking up about 1.08 acres from the city on the exchange for when we built the new | 00:23:56 | |
Vineyard Rd. | 00:24:02 | |
And you guys got that for free and that goes back to. | 00:24:08 | |
An agreement that we had with the city, it's either dated 2016 or 2017. | 00:24:12 | |
Do you have any other questions? | 00:24:20 | |
I don't necessarily have a question, it's more just the concern of the amount of on street parking there. I mean I this last week | 00:24:22 | |
and you get Friday, Saturday is really busy with. | 00:24:27 | |
And then I went up. I usually go up that street every weekend and we had a bunch of bikers on the streets. We had cars going both | 00:24:32 | |
way. We had some cars pulled off into the like that little dog park area there. So I'm imagining all these cars pulled in at | 00:24:38 | |
angles wanting to back up now and it's going to quickly on weekends become a pretty busy street at times with with people at a | 00:24:44 | |
standstill. I think we're at 40 miles an hour, aren't we in the scene on that road now? | 00:24:51 | |
That's a 25 mile per hour St. currently. They just changed it, yeah, yeah. | 00:24:59 | |
Sorry, Yeah, Vineyard. | 00:25:04 | |
South Vineyard Grove, which is what's called right there, that's 25 miles an hour along our section. | 00:25:09 | |
On one side it goes up to 30 miles an hour. We're going to work with the one to reduce that down so when people are coming from. | 00:25:15 | |
Into Vineyard. That's 25 miles an hour. | 00:25:22 | |
But also with the with doing the crosswalks kind of deliberately, kind of at the throat of the of the area. | 00:25:24 | |
With the flashers and so forth, should be would allow us to be able. | 00:25:32 | |
Keep those speed limits low. | 00:25:37 | |
With this, as we are building on this, we're going to take a pointed. | 00:25:40 | |
To see how. | 00:25:44 | |
Interactions are and possibly even lower it down to maybe 20 miles an hour in order to ensure that. | 00:25:47 | |
Their cross connect. | 00:25:53 | |
Stay safe for pedestrians. | 00:25:55 | |
And what So what the process is for this. So what the development agreement does is it approves kind of like the elements as part | 00:26:07 | |
of the agreement and then what we would do a site plan. So Mike and he has those essentially ready, he'd come in for a site plan | 00:26:13 | |
and then we would look at the street, we would look at the, the, the site. | 00:26:19 | |
And so there would be like a formal site plan and then at that time too we could we could to do a deeper dive into the into the | 00:26:26 | |
street. But there's there's lots of ways I mean with the with the on street parking that helps to slow traffic. There's areas | 00:26:32 | |
potentially where you might you know if you do like a refuge island creating some of those those pinch points creates more of like | 00:26:38 | |
a walking feel and there's and there's things with like surface material and there's there's quite a few things. | 00:26:45 | |
That we could do. One of the things that Nasim requested as well was that as a pedestrian goes into the crosswalk that there's a | 00:26:52 | |
light, an overhead light that actually lights up the crosswalk itself. | 00:26:57 | |
And so that's so it's not just like the flashing indicators, but it's a light that would provide an illumination to the actual | 00:27:03 | |
crossing. So you know, if it's not you would see someone walking across. So there's quite a bit we we could do to this section to | 00:27:08 | |
make it more of a kind of a slower easier crossing St. Cool. | 00:27:14 | |
Yeah, and Nissim's saying we're getting those for the other crosswalks as well. So very cool. | 00:27:22 | |
Cool. I had a question, I guess, about the other park that's kind of. | 00:27:27 | |
Being used as a dog park. Are their intentions to keep that being used as a dog park or hope that everybody starts to use this new | 00:27:32 | |
area? | 00:27:35 | |
I could. So we so we're actually going to push that back to the HOA. So right now it's a, it's a City Park, but it actually | 00:27:40 | |
functions more like an like an HOA park and then. | 00:27:46 | |
Like like Mike discussed before. | 00:27:53 | |
You know dogs are pretty big issue, so that would allow the HOA then to enforce like the like the no dog off leash rules and. | 00:27:55 | |
After your dog? Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah, you know. | 00:28:04 | |
Especially in a detention pond. Yeah, exactly. | 00:28:08 | |
OK. | 00:28:12 | |
Um. | 00:28:13 | |
How, how big is that area for that proposed, I guess, dog park? | 00:28:14 | |
You know how big that is? | 00:28:20 | |
6644 square feet. It's 21 feet by 316 in length, 21 by 316. | 00:28:26 | |
OK. | 00:28:35 | |
Umm. | 00:28:37 | |
And then as far as um. | 00:28:38 | |
We're not trying to do any kind of asphalt trail connections through this area at all, are we? I have a trail as part of my | 00:28:42 | |
original development agreement that goes along the base of the. | 00:28:48 | |
Feel for the bridge. | 00:28:54 | |
So I pick up the sidewalk on center. | 00:28:56 | |
Where the sidewalk ends. And then I tie a asphalt trail to that sidewalk. Perfect. And that sidewalk goes all along the base of | 00:29:00 | |
the fill. | 00:29:05 | |
And it goes all the way to the trail. | 00:29:10 | |
That parallels the track. | 00:29:13 | |
Awesome. That's great. | 00:29:16 | |
And then I know that this is going to be asked by the public, so I might as well ask it myself as far as. | 00:29:21 | |
Selling any of these units, is that a possibility to sell some or is leasing like? | 00:29:27 | |
At this point, we'd probably. | 00:29:33 | |
OK. | 00:29:36 | |
I don't. I don't env. | 00:29:37 | |
That these units would ever be sold. | 00:29:39 | |
Because, because. | 00:29:42 | |
As. | 00:29:44 | |
We're seeing more and more of this as like mostly leased units. I know that there were a lot of residents that were kind of | 00:29:45 | |
disappointed that the rest of the units in the area were being leased. | 00:29:50 | |
And we want people to feel connected to the community in such a way that they feel like they. | 00:29:55 | |
Invest in the community by purchasing a unit. | 00:30:01 | |
I'd love to. | 00:30:06 | |
Some kind of push towards something like that? | 00:30:08 | |
Especially with these small business ones where someone could purchase it and. | 00:30:12 | |
Continue their business here would be. | 00:30:17 | |
Uh. | 00:30:21 | |
Mike, it'll be plaited so that you guys could if you if you change your mind. | 00:30:22 | |
The biggest reason you're seeing so much of this now with least townhomes? | 00:30:28 | |
Is because of building. | 00:30:33 | |
I mean, I've got units in pod One, for instance. If I wanted to come out on top, I'd have to sell that bigger unit for over | 00:30:36 | |
700,000. | 00:30:39 | |
For a townhouse you know. | 00:30:44 | |
So and we made the decision in you know a few months ago in part one, phase one. | 00:30:47 | |
That with our overall. | 00:30:53 | |
We're better to lease those and I'm not saying that down the road they wouldn't be resold or be sold, but for right now our plan | 00:30:56 | |
is to lease them out. | 00:31:00 | |
OK. | 00:31:06 | |
And you know in part one, phase one, we're doing one year leases. You know, I don't know how long they'll stay and we have a, you | 00:31:08 | |
know another project in Harriman. | 00:31:12 | |
With three bedroom units, I mean, I've got people that have been in there now for four. | 00:31:18 | |
I think a lot of it depends on what interest rates do. A lot of it depends on, you know what I mean? Costs aren't coming down. | 00:31:23 | |
And everybody says that costs are really starting to come. | 00:31:32 | |
They're not coming down the only thing that's happening in the. | 00:31:36 | |
We've seen a drop in lumber and we've seen somewhat of a drop in concrete, but what's happening is the subcontractors now instead | 00:31:39 | |
of saying. | 00:31:43 | |
You know, we'll put you on our waiting list. | 00:31:47 | |
They're more readily available to come. | 00:31:50 | |
But we're not seeing a big drop in costs. | 00:31:53 | |
You know. | 00:31:56 | |
We track it weekly. It kind of is what? | 00:31:58 | |
I don't see, even if the economy gets better, that prices are going to start to drop. | 00:32:02 | |
And then the other thing will be. | 00:32:09 | |
Parking plan. | 00:32:11 | |
With other developments that we've had, parking becomes an issue because. | 00:32:14 | |
It's not managed. | 00:32:20 | |
So we want to see what your management plan is going to be for this area just so that we don't have residents that move in here | 00:32:23 | |
and. | 00:32:27 | |
Once the units finally fill, they come to the city and they're like you didn't. | 00:32:31 | |
Make there be enough parking here so we want to make sure that it's managed correctly that people know. | 00:32:35 | |
Exactly how much parking that they have that they're not using their garages for storage, especially businesses that are could | 00:32:40 | |
potentially be using this for just storing their merchandise. | 00:32:45 | |
So do you have a management plan already or yeah, so it's our intent to always have an on site manager. | 00:32:52 | |
OK. Right now they'll be in one of the units in part one, phase one and then when the clubhouse is done, there will be two offices | 00:32:59 | |
inside the clubhouse and we will always have it staffed. | 00:33:04 | |
OK. | 00:33:09 | |
And that. | 00:33:09 | |
I mean a lot of it is that's the way we do it. I mean whether it be Harriman or anywhere else, we deal with parking issues all the | 00:33:11 | |
time and. | 00:33:15 | |
We. | 00:33:19 | |
We'll have a small sticker that they'll put on their back window. | 00:33:21 | |
Or front window, we haven't decided but. | 00:33:24 | |
If they're there, they get a warning. We find and. | 00:33:26 | |
Because nothing hurts a project worse than. | 00:33:32 | |
Cars parked everywhere, Yeah. And we, yeah. We just want to make sure that residents, when they lease units, that they're aware | 00:33:35 | |
that this is how many cars you're allowed to have. | 00:33:40 | |
And there. | 00:33:46 | |
And that's it. | 00:33:47 | |
Umm. | 00:33:50 | |
Are there any other questions? Yeah. Do you have an estimate of what you anticipate these running out for? | 00:33:50 | |
If things stay the way they are right now. | 00:34:00 | |
Probably between 19122. | 00:34:03 | |
How big are these units? | 00:34:07 | |
There are between about. | 00:34:09 | |
Right around 16 to I think my biggest units, that corner unit, I think it's around 2200. | 00:34:11 | |
OK. And that includes the commercial space, that includes the commercial space. How big, how big are you imagining the commercial | 00:34:17 | |
space is to be about? | 00:34:21 | |
If I include the bathroom with them, they. | 00:34:36 | |
300 Square. | 00:34:42 | |
Is there any opportunity for low income? | 00:34:45 | |
No. | 00:34:49 | |
This is probably getting more into site plan territory, but you know most businesses want some sort of signage. | 00:34:53 | |
But I don't think it makes sense to have, you know, 56 right lit up signs in a residential area, right? So what's? | 00:34:59 | |
What's the thought there as far as you pull into it and you need to find the hair salon or the proper signage at each of the, what | 00:35:06 | |
we'll call the Plaza areas that will that we can change if their business changes or whatever. So we'll do that. | 00:35:14 | |
On each of the plazas, and I have four of them. | 00:35:22 | |
And to keep it uniform to it, we probably could put something in there that like on their actual suite that it's a sign that's no | 00:35:26 | |
larger than like like 2 square feet. I think our home occupation code is something similar to that. But so you can't like, yeah, | 00:35:33 | |
we'll want to keep an eye on that. Yeah, you want to have could get crazy different things in there. | 00:35:40 | |
Do you anticipate mimicking this if it works in some of the other pods? | 00:35:48 | |
The only place I could do this is in pod 2. | 00:35:53 | |
Which is on the backside of Pod One that ties into the Orem City Park. | 00:35:57 | |
That's really because everything else is plotted, I think we. | 00:36:02 | |
Just roughly, I think I still have around 300, three, 125 single family. | 00:36:06 | |
None of those will be changed. | 00:36:11 | |
But in pod. | 00:36:13 | |
This could work in pod too and but if I did it I mean I. | 00:36:15 | |
Don't hold me to anything. | 00:36:19 | |
We've. | 00:36:21 | |
Especially because of the number of college students here, we've looked at a micro unit. | 00:36:23 | |
Micro unit is another word for a tiny home. | 00:36:29 | |
When I say tiny, I'm talking. | 00:36:33 | |
You'd probably have somewhere around 5:25 to 550 square feet but a standalone tiny home. They in order to make it work, they'd be | 00:36:36 | |
connected, but it would just be a smaller. | 00:36:42 | |
Maybe 1 college student. You could probably take the rents down. | 00:36:48 | |
1000 to 1200. | 00:36:53 | |
But we've looked a little bit about expanding if this works. | 00:36:56 | |
As. | 00:37:01 | |
Talked about we are planning if it works and if we have enough demand, we could put a 5000 square foot building on one of the | 00:37:03 | |
plazas and still have plenty. | 00:37:09 | |
Plenty of room. That would be a two-story building, so it wouldn't be any taller. | 00:37:16 | |
We've looked. | 00:37:20 | |
Podcast. | 00:37:23 | |
Conference. | 00:37:25 | |
Cubicles. | 00:37:27 | |
So. | 00:37:29 | |
I'm not aware of anything like this in Utah. That's been done yet. I'm not saying that you couldn't find it, but I'm not aware of | 00:37:32 | |
anything. | 00:37:35 | |
But I think you'll be surprised at the demand, especially from the college students from BYU and UVU that have. | 00:37:39 | |
You know, the idea of being able to create a business in. | 00:37:46 | |
So I really like the. | 00:37:52 | |
I'm really concerned because I mean I've never seen something like it, but haven't done small businesses like. | 00:37:54 | |
Huge benefit there, but. | 00:37:59 | |
It's just different. It's very different and and you have no idea how many people are going to, I mean somebody could be really | 00:38:01 | |
popular and you're going to get a ton of traffic in there. We have Holdaway Rd. there that's had, you know, their concerns with | 00:38:06 | |
with coming and going. We're going to have the other pods built. | 00:38:11 | |
It's it's just very different. It's giving me a little concern of do we know what this is going to do traffic wise to that area | 00:38:17 | |
so. | 00:38:20 | |
And then how many units is it for this entire for the whole development? Again, odd one. I have 200 and 88288. | 00:38:28 | |
My map here. I've had this map since I moved to veneer, so I was just curious. It's still accurate. So 288 on the map, so cool. | 00:38:39 | |
And going back to the original plan, I had 56 in here. So we're not increasing the density, not increasing. These footprints are | 00:38:45 | |
actually a little bit smaller than what I'm currently doing. | 00:38:51 | |
On positive, are you going to have that planning connecting and then connecting on Holdaway Road as well? You want the whole | 00:38:59 | |
story. I think it's good, like you know how this will kind of interconnect? | 00:39:03 | |
Traffic wise, my development agreement. | 00:39:08 | |
Because going back to 2010, 2011 won't allow it. The two families said no, I'm restricted to have any access on the whole way. | 00:39:12 | |
So I have the storm drain sewer water that's on the shoulder of hold away but as it is worded right now I have I cannot have any | 00:39:24 | |
access onto all the way. | 00:39:29 | |
Do we plan, I mean is that and that's planned? | 00:39:39 | |
Development, I mean it's in the development agreement when when they did. | 00:39:42 | |
When they bought this land. | 00:39:46 | |
All the land pretty much that connects could have potentially connected to Holdaway Rd. They said that they couldn't connect | 00:39:49 | |
anywhere. So whether that's the Elms where I live or this development or the single family homes that are going in next to this | 00:39:56 | |
development, it doesn't mean the city can't connect if we want if they change that development agreement, OK, So that's going to | 00:40:03 | |
stay the way it is. I would say for the foreseeable future. I would guess that it would probably stay the same. | 00:40:10 | |
And we've always made our, like our walking trail that'll go along, hold away. It's on our side of the, it's on our property. | 00:40:19 | |
It'll eventually tied to the school and then it goes. | 00:40:23 | |
South and then connects back over to the City Park. We'll probably do that in the next year, but even that. | 00:40:29 | |
I couldn't put it. | 00:40:35 | |
Along the side of. | 00:40:37 | |
Yeah. | 00:40:39 | |
Yep. | 00:40:40 | |
Umm. | 00:40:43 | |
Did you guys have any other questions or I'm going to let the public come and ask some questions. Sometimes we miss a couple of | 00:40:44 | |
things. So you have some questions, Daria. | 00:40:48 | |
OK, if you wouldn't mind and I'll write down your questions like normally do and. | 00:40:53 | |
Daria Evans, Menu resident. Thank you. | 00:41:05 | |
I just have a couple questions I need clarification at the beginning of this agenda tonight, it said under the summary of request. | 00:41:08 | |
It's at the community garden. Water stuff was going to be on the West. | 00:41:18 | |
And then further down it says it's on the. | 00:41:22 | |
So I don't know which is which. It's from what? He explained. It's going to be on the east. It will be on the east, yes, OK, next | 00:41:25 | |
to the trail there, The Walking trail that goes under the overpass, Okay. | 00:41:30 | |
Sure. I'll have her ask Oliver questions. | 00:41:36 | |
I haven't clarified that, just OK and then it says at the beginning of it says 56 town. | 00:41:40 | |
And then the legend says 55 units with 50 parking spaces. | 00:41:46 | |
So I just want a clarification on that. | 00:41:51 | |
And I want. | 00:41:55 | |
How much the first floor is increasing? | 00:41:57 | |
How height flies and what will the total height of? | 00:42:01 | |
Residential unit B. | 00:42:04 | |
OK. | 00:42:06 | |
And. | 00:42:07 | |
I I didn't quite hear him say how large those units. | 00:42:10 | |
Will be. I thought he said 1600 to 2000, so I'd like to need that clarified. | 00:42:15 | |
And will these units? | 00:42:20 | |
Look like the units that are. | 00:42:23 | |
To the West, that first unit would be of those townhomes that are already finished. Well, these units look like that. | 00:42:27 | |
And if you put if they decide to put in that Co working space. | 00:42:35 | |
In that Plaza 2 area, does that mean that they will be taking out that playground? | 00:42:40 | |
Right. | 00:42:46 | |
And also I am concerned about the on street parking because when I ride my bike down there. | 00:42:47 | |
It's a tight Rd. | 00:42:54 | |
And I'm on the sidewalk and it's tight and if you have parking there. | 00:42:56 | |
And people are going to come. | 00:43:02 | |
Yeah. | 00:43:04 | |
The way it is situated. So those are my questions. Thank you very much. | 00:43:05 | |
Any other public comments? | 00:43:10 | |
Go ahead, grade. | 00:43:12 | |
Great and Hustler, Vineyard resident. | 00:43:17 | |
Thanks Mike for coming out just. | 00:43:21 | |
This is an exciting development. I do have a few questions as far as you know management down the road. | 00:43:24 | |
56 different. | 00:43:32 | |
Bus. | 00:43:34 | |
Are going to be created. | 00:43:36 | |
You know, how friendly will you? | 00:43:39 | |
With working with the city if there. | 00:43:42 | |
Certain. | 00:43:46 | |
Maybe, Yeah, one business is just super busy and. | 00:43:48 | |
20. | 00:43:54 | |
At any given. | 00:43:56 | |
Or maybe. | 00:43:59 | |
10 different businesses that are super busy and some. | 00:44:03 | |
Maybe you could just kind of speak on that as far? | 00:44:07 | |
Regulation of your. | 00:44:11 | |
And the type of. | 00:44:15 | |
How you? | 00:44:18 | |
What they're doing and what their demand or need is. | 00:44:20 | |
And that's kind of. | 00:44:26 | |
Concern. Thanks. | 00:44:28 | |
Thanks, Gray. | 00:44:30 | |
Any other? Yeah, go ahead. | 00:44:32 | |
I'm Kristen Crespo, Vineyard resident, so the parking along the road reminds me a lot of Provo Center St. because they were parked | 00:44:37 | |
there. It's so hard to get out once you're parked. I hate backing out because, like sometimes they'll be a big truck beside me and | 00:44:44 | |
I cannot see until I am, like, basically in the road. | 00:44:52 | |
That's scary, That parking and just being able to back out and not hit another car or someone coming along, and also someone's | 00:44:59 | |
backing out and already in the road and you're like slamming on your brakes. | 00:45:04 | |
So that's concerning for that parking along the street. | 00:45:10 | |
That was my biggest thing. So thanks. Awesome. Thank you. | 00:45:16 | |
Any other public comments? | 00:45:21 | |
Could I have you stand back up Mike and I could just I could just a couple of those. Oh sure. So as far as the parking goes that | 00:45:25 | |
that that's definitely something that's concerned. We do have Ave. consultants who is a are are and and Hales Engineering they're | 00:45:31 | |
both traffic consultants that we have in retainer. And so when we do the site plan we'll have them look at that and and look at | 00:45:38 | |
how how do you make it safe because there are ways that you can make parking on on St. safer. | 00:45:44 | |
7A Deeper stall and. | 00:45:55 | |
Right. | 00:46:02 | |
Right. And there's other options that's a, this is a pull in angle there. There's another that's a reverse back end angle where | 00:46:05 | |
instead of pulling in you drive past it and and then you back in and those. Yeah and those those are a lot safer for for pulling | 00:46:12 | |
out and we are testing that in the the Promenade in downtown to see see how it functions. It's so it's kind of people get kind of | 00:46:20 | |
annoyed with having to to back in but then it makes it a lot safer for pulling out because your eyes are looking forward. | 00:46:28 | |
Absolutely. So we would have our our consultant look at that and help us with with kind of designing that. | 00:46:43 | |
The as far as the the height of the overall building, they're constrained to 35 feet that that's our standard for. | 00:46:51 | |
You know, townhomes and and just single family homes. Mike you you might be able to address that. I like how hard. | 00:46:58 | |
And then the ground floor too. | 00:47:06 | |
Do you know what the ground floor is going to be? | 00:47:09 | |
And the size? He did say 1600 to 2200. | 00:47:17 | |
With the commercial space being about 300 square feet. | 00:47:23 | |
And then the garden area you wanted to clarify. | 00:47:28 | |
The. | 00:47:32 | |
You can you can point on that one over there if you want. | 00:47:35 | |
On our development plans, I have the water. Water. | 00:47:38 | |
And then Mike, architecturally, I know you have kind of the paper drawings and so if you would. | 00:47:50 | |
Would you? | 00:47:55 | |
Yeah. But maybe for this, could you just, could they. Oh, you do. Yeah. Yeah. It's more of a storefront. OK, great. And then with | 00:47:57 | |
the 56 townhomes, is it going to be 56 townhomes and 56 parking spaces? | 00:48:03 | |
For 56 times. | 00:48:10 | |
Times. | 00:48:12 | |
OK. | 00:48:15 | |
Parking spaces within a. | 00:48:17 | |
Within a garage. | 00:48:19 | |
I mean those. | 00:48:22 | |
They're all in the backside. | 00:48:24 | |
Going back to our development agreement. | 00:48:27 | |
There was, I think this is an what's called an alley. | 00:48:32 | |
Yeah. | 00:48:35 | |
So on the back sides of all of those will either have A1 car garage or A2 car garage. If they have a one car garage, then I'm | 00:48:38 | |
building I'm building an additional garage so that everybody has. | 00:48:43 | |
Is there any visitor spaces? I believe right, Yeah, here and these end caps. | 00:48:52 | |
Is there any visitor parking beyond that? | 00:48:58 | |
Yes. | 00:49:00 | |
So. | 00:49:01 | |
Look. | 00:49:02 | |
I have. | 00:49:09 | |
So go. | 00:49:11 | |
So along the trail. | 00:49:13 | |
Said 18 or 20. That's 1818. Yep, and I have visitor parking up there of an additional 15. | 00:49:16 | |
Now. | 00:49:24 | |
And then I have the parking in the front, so. | 00:49:30 | |
Visitor parking on site, I have 18 and 15, so 33 and then maybe for the the next meeting we showed the overall pod one because | 00:49:32 | |
Mike is adding additional parking throughout the development that won't necessarily serve like the commerce, but but it's | 00:49:39 | |
providing more capacity and I don't know if you know that number. Yeah, so there's there's quite a bit of parking that's going to | 00:49:45 | |
be added just in the development. | 00:49:51 | |
Plan of Pod One. On the development agreement, I've added an additional 167 parking spaces to Odd One. Cool. | 00:49:58 | |
All right. | 00:50:07 | |
And then as far as the looks of the buildings, are they going to look similar to the other buildings that have currently been | 00:50:08 | |
built or no, OK. | 00:50:13 | |
Uh. | 00:50:19 | |
As far as like the standards, is that going to be Mike, if you haven't even hold it up just so they can see it and we'll have it | 00:50:20 | |
in the packet, OK? | 00:50:24 | |
OK, well, they're not too different. | 00:50:31 | |
They're three stories, so they're taller, yeah. | 00:50:34 | |
No. | 00:50:42 | |
All. | 00:50:44 | |
Cool. And we can get these entered in for the public hearing, yeah. | 00:50:45 | |
Cool. | 00:50:52 | |
Is there going to be a prevention on subletting? So somebody rents a unit and then they're like, oh, I'm going to rent out just | 00:50:56 | |
that commercial space, OK. Yeah, in regards to the commercial. | 00:51:01 | |
What our development agreement? | 00:51:06 | |
Anybody. | 00:51:10 | |
Floor has to get a conditional use from the. | 00:51:13 | |
And. | 00:51:16 | |
So. | 00:51:19 | |
Between ourselves on the management side and the city on the permitting side and licensing side. | 00:51:19 | |
Yeah. | 00:51:28 | |
Protect. | 00:51:30 | |
Who? | 00:51:32 | |
I asked that because I think are we going to have a long line of people there? And then I mean because right up the street we have | 00:52:07 | |
Starbucks and you know in the morning it gets busy and I can see the outdoor Plaza areas too. That's something Mike and I've | 00:52:13 | |
talked about that if if there is like a demand for like a little coffee shop, we you know that that's the space that could be | 00:52:19 | |
programmed to have more outdoor dining as well. | 00:52:25 | |
OK. And then if that building is built in Plaza? | 00:52:33 | |
Is that positive too right? | 00:52:39 | |
Does that get rid of the playground that's there or? | 00:52:41 | |
OK. | 00:52:45 | |
The color map I showed was was was an earlier rendition that was only colored one I had at the time, OK. So we'll have, we'll have | 00:52:47 | |
everything updated. So the I I believe that's that'll just be outdoor space, OK. That would just be like a Plaza. | 00:52:54 | |
OK. And the playground would be in the Upper West northwest corner if this was the older? | 00:53:03 | |
Map and so yeah, I was just trying to give you some of the context a little bit more visual. So this will be updated to reflect | 00:53:12 | |
this map here. | 00:53:16 | |
And then as far as biking, one thing was the trail connection is going to be going through there, so. | 00:53:25 | |
That trail will go along the whole Northside of this. | 00:53:32 | |
And connect to the trail, so if somebody's coming pretty much anywhere. | 00:53:35 | |
The northern side, they would just take that trail and Justice avoid that road altogether because currently you'd have to go to | 00:53:41 | |
the other side of the road and then go under the underpass. So I think that that will take a lot of traffic. | 00:53:47 | |
A lot of bicycle traffic off the road, except for the bicyclists that are probably already going close to 25 miles an hour. | 00:53:54 | |
Um. | 00:54:01 | |
Yeah, it's not me. | 00:54:03 | |
And then as far as if there is a is a business. | 00:54:06 | |
In demand they they're trending like is there something like? | 00:54:10 | |
Is there anything you plan on having in place as far as managing something that's getting too much traffic or? | 00:54:17 | |
Agreement. But I can't. | 00:54:26 | |
Yeah, it's 300 square feet. | 00:54:28 | |
If you had a coffee shop there or small bakery, you might have. | 00:54:33 | |
OK. | 00:54:47 | |
Whatever it is they're picking up, they'll go out and sit. | 00:54:48 | |
OK. | 00:54:51 | |
I'm not. I mean, going back to our list. | 00:54:52 | |
Morgan I can't think of any. | 00:54:55 | |
Yeah, really the idea and one thing that I would say kind of been that would be a benefit for the rental. I get that the ownership | 00:55:02 | |
is great. You know it's someone's like is buying space, they can be there long term. But with the the rental model from an | 00:55:09 | |
economic development standpoint what what we see it as as as incubator space that this is a place where you have people can start | 00:55:15 | |
businesses then as they expand. | 00:55:21 | |
Hopefully we do our. | 00:55:27 | |
And retain them in the city, but they they move to like a, you know, one of the larger like office buildings like in the downtown | 00:55:29 | |
or in the forge around the movie theater that there's you know, that that's our hope is that this is a way for us to grow. | 00:55:36 | |
Like the small grassroots businesses into larger businesses that can stay in Vineyard, not all of them will, but that's that's | 00:55:44 | |
kind of the hope. | 00:55:48 | |
OK. | 00:55:53 | |
Did I cover everything? Daria, you have another question. OK, Yeah, come ahead. Yeah, you gotta. | 00:55:55 | |
If someone leases it and. | 00:56:05 | |
Starts a. | 00:56:07 | |
And it said it's not a go. | 00:56:09 | |
Would they still have to pay the city? | 00:56:16 | |
Yeah. | 00:56:21 | |
The whole lease. | 00:56:24 | |
Yeah. So essentially these are. | 00:56:26 | |
The other way to view this is these are all just normal single family dwellings. They're all, and. | 00:56:30 | |
Allowing it so that they can have a storefront, like it would be like a house, like if I decided to run a business out of my | 00:56:38 | |
house, which I actually do. | 00:56:41 | |
Than. | 00:56:46 | |
It's just allowing. | 00:56:48 | |
Different types of uses where people can walk up or there can actually be car traffic and stuff like that, so. | 00:56:50 | |
So the the commercial and the residential space, are there one in the same? | 00:56:58 | |
And that's another one of the kind of the benefits from like a small business standpoint is you're combining kind of the amount | 00:57:04 | |
they would because typically if you go and just rent commercial space that's going to be fairly expensive and then a unit is going | 00:57:10 | |
to be fairly expensive to rent for living. But if you combine them, it gives you kind of the benefit of of you know the cost | 00:57:16 | |
savings of of of using that space in a dual purpose. | 00:57:21 | |
Were there any other questions from the public? | 00:57:31 | |
All right. I think we've addressed everything. Did you guys have any other questions? | 00:57:33 | |
Did you guys have any other? | 00:57:38 | |
I did want to just note you mentioned Provo Provo center. | 00:57:40 | |
Not that people drive this, but uh. | 00:57:44 | |
The speed limit is 15 miles an hour. | 00:57:47 | |
It's the first article that popped up when I googled what is Provo Center St. It said it's 15 miles an hour, but studies have | 00:57:52 | |
shown it's 35 is what that is actually driven. | 00:57:56 | |
Anyway, yeah, I think you bring up a good point. You know, if there's ever places that feel unsafe or haven't worked the way that | 00:58:02 | |
you'd think, like we. | 00:58:06 | |
Design these properly so that it functions the way that we hope for. Now installed the speed tables. | 00:58:10 | |
Near where the City Hall is. And So what they're trying to do is catch people as they enter that zone. So the speed table kind of | 00:58:17 | |
helps sets the the tone they're they're still going to go faster than 15, but they're doing that turn could be. | 00:58:24 | |
Scary. | 00:58:33 | |
And this is a question I guess for staff, if you guys even know, Does Orem have any plans for making that intersection better on | 00:58:36 | |
400 S and? | 00:58:40 | |
Yeah, I think, I think there are plans in the works they've they've said that they they're working on it and Nasim is also working | 00:58:48 | |
with. | 00:58:53 | |
With our staff and with Orem to try to look at options there. | 00:58:58 | |
Yeah, I think the idea is cool. I, of course am a strong proponent for at home businesses like. | 00:59:08 | |
Like I said. | 00:59:15 | |
But. | 00:59:17 | |
Yeah, if you can bring anything as far as management plan on? | 00:59:19 | |
How you're planning on managing it, how you're planning on informing residents of their parking, That would be helpful. | 00:59:23 | |
And then? | 00:59:29 | |
Yeah. | 00:59:32 | |
Yeah. Besides that, I think everything looks good. We'll have our. | 00:59:34 | |
One just popped into my head. Where's the pedestrian island or pedestrian refuge? | 00:59:38 | |
You said might be on this for the crossing, I believe. Yeah, Naseem stepped out. I don't know if you if you know this one. Yeah, I | 00:59:43 | |
don't think you're in that meeting. I believe in Mike, you probably know, but I believe Nasim wanted it here because that accesses | 00:59:49 | |
the clubhouse And so you're gonna see the most traffic with at least the internal residents crossing back and forth from the | 00:59:55 | |
clubhouse, which would be the kind of the hub on the South side and then to the live work units. | 01:00:01 | |
All right. Thank you so much. Thanks, Mike. See you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, Good to see you too. | 01:00:10 | |
All right. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure, did anybody have anything to report or | 01:00:15 | |
disclose? I've got a couple of things. One, I'll also bring this up to the bike Commission, but I was at a conference for work, a | 01:00:21 | |
sustainability conference in Boston earlier this week. | 01:00:27 | |
And they had a whole lot of good information about. | 01:00:34 | |
It was mostly geared toward higher education, but campuses are essentially just little cities, Walkable cities. | 01:00:37 | |
I mean I I don't know what the I don't know if there's a penalty or anything but we're under state code we're told they to get 4 | 01:01:15 | |
hours and we we we can also send out just some like videos and and things to to educate you and maybe we'll. | 01:01:21 | |
Another training before the end of the year, but yeah, we definitely got to try to get at least two more and I think you all will | 01:01:27 | |
be covered. | 01:01:31 | |
So and so you Anthony you you can count that, you know if it's anything related to planning, you know it can be sustainability, it | 01:01:35 | |
can be traffic and urban design whatnot, economic development, any of that could count, so great. | 01:01:44 | |
One other thing I had. | 01:01:52 | |
Probably heightened awareness of this just because of elections going on and people going back and figuring out like what was | 01:01:54 | |
said, what was planned and when. | 01:01:57 | |
I've had a couple of residents. | 01:02:02 | |
Why? The recordings are not posted for all of the Planning Commission, so it might be good to just do. | 01:02:05 | |
A quick audit. I'm looking online here and it looks like there's. | 01:02:11 | |
From March that don't have the actual audio and video recording. | 01:02:15 | |
We've been pretty good. | 01:02:20 | |
Having the minutes uploaded up until July and then I think we even though we've approved some, just getting those uploaded. | 01:02:22 | |
And that's at the request of, so yeah. | 01:02:29 | |
Keep it up today as quickly as possible because a lot of people can't come to these and they don't want to wait months to find out | 01:02:32 | |
what happened. Rachel is she, she's getting that that that'll upload it. So I'll talk with her. Pam. Pam has already met with us | 01:02:36 | |
on that. | 01:02:41 | |
Thank you. | 01:02:45 | |
Anything else? Yeah. | 01:02:47 | |
3 residents hit me up about a skate park. Does anybody have any idea on where that is or when it's going in? We're all three of | 01:02:50 | |
them, Bryce. | 01:02:53 | |
No, not one of them. So I guess more than Chris wants it as part of the Central Corridor open space plan, there was a spot that | 01:02:59 | |
was designated here on the City Hall lot. We are looking at the fire station. So if this lot is chosen as the fire station. | 01:03:07 | |
If there's room, we'll still do it, but if not then we would look at another spot. We are having a BYU class. | 01:03:17 | |
If you remember Jeff Knighton, that he was the chair of the commissioner for a while. Really great architect. He's teaching a | 01:03:24 | |
class. | 01:03:26 | |