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That's that is one benefit of the 20 minute commute. 00:00:00
What what this is is looking at an interesting use that would add the ability for folks to have a formal office. 00:00:06
And formal workplace within their their townhome and this is a use that's considered or called a live work unit. 00:00:15
So currently this portion of Pod 1 contains 56 entitled townhomes. 00:00:24
So these are townhomes that are already approved. They've gone through the site plan process. 00:00:31
You know they're they're essentially programmed to be built in one of the next phases. What this amendment would do, it would 00:00:35
allow for the live work units for so placing larger floor to ceiling heights on the on the ground floor to provide some office 00:00:41
space and to allow folks to live above where where they work. Additionally part of this request is to is to bring in some street 00:00:48
parking. 00:00:54
That that would go on really both sides of the street and what we'll do is during the public hearing, we'll we'll send you guys. 00:01:01
The full. 00:01:08
Sorry, I keep saying guys and gals. 00:01:11
Well, we'll send you the full package so you'll be able to see the like all the elements of the site. 00:01:14
But and then also it would provide 2 crossings. 00:01:22
And one of those crossings would have a refuge island in the middle and would have like the the flashing indicators to help warm 00:01:26
traffic. So the idea is to create this street into. 00:01:33
How this is set up is the live work units are oriented around plazas. 00:02:19
So these are outdoor open space, you could call them pocket parks, you can call them outdoor meeting spaces. So the idea is that 00:02:24
they're supposed to be multifunctional. So places where you know people can go out they they can you know grill and then also 00:02:29
providing places for people to. 00:02:35
Have like outdoor meetings and to to enjoy the kind of the fresh air and so that's kind of the overall idea was was providing that 00:02:41
opportunity for folks to be able to to live and and work within within their same unit. 00:02:48
We've seen that this use has become more and more popular. 00:02:57
And Mike will probably share with you kind of his experience with the development that they had in Salt Lake. 00:03:02
Where those the live work units were they're really kind of a hot commodity because a lot of people want that option. We're also 00:03:09
seeing more and more you know people are are just like remote working in general. Will there be 100% from home? 00:03:17
And and also people have, there's a really big demand for for people who have like even just side side gigs that where they have 00:03:25
like they do some accounting on the side they want to have a place where they can have a client com. 00:03:31
So it's a it's a project we're really excited about. It's something that we look at this and we say this is an opportunity for 56 00:03:37
small businesses to start. 00:03:42
In our city and hopefully we can hold on to them and when they when they expand, they move into commercial space. 00:03:47
But this is just a really amazing opportunity because it really does. It provides 56 incubator spaces. 00:03:55
For small businesses that that could be part of a community and the people, the business owners will be living in the community. 00:04:01
And so it kind of provides that that that double ownership having a business in the community and and also living in the community 00:04:07
a few elements too. And I don't want to take all the Thunder from my because he'll run through this, but there is a demand for a 00:04:13
dog run and so up here there there'll be a fairly significant in length dog run where residents can you know throw a ball it'll 00:04:19
be. 00:04:25
They'll be fenced in. We'll have some obstacles for the dogs to play in. There'll be a playground, this area by the tracks. We 00:04:31
know the community gardens have been a really successful thing in the city. Mike has agreed to stub the water and so he'll he'll 00:04:39
he'll pay for the the utility to be run for the water. So when we want to expand our community garden program we can do that and 00:04:46
there's an area where the along the rail tracks that actually won't be on his property, so it'll be run by the city. 00:04:53
But it would provide, you know, plenty of space if we want to expand that program. Additionally, and this plan doesn't quite show 00:05:01
it, but there's parking being added on this area right here as well. That'll be open to the public. So it'll be on site parking 00:05:06
open to the public, so it'll be an easement put in place. 00:05:12
The reason for that is for the office of the community garden once if we can if we decide to expand there, but also there's 00:05:18
there's the trail there and that that trail is going to connect to the university and it's it's you know it's it's kind of planned 00:05:24
to be more and more usable recreational trail you know as time goes down and as the city builds out. So that will be actually a 00:05:29
nice spot for for people to to be able to access the the trail. 00:05:35
So let me. 00:05:41
Show you the black and white. So this gives you a. This is the more updated version but it is kind of the black and white 00:05:43
rendition. You can see the on street parking and then the crosswalks provided. 00:05:50
Noting the dog park up here on the north, parking provided for the public and for just you know general customers coming to to 00:05:57
patron the the businesses there and to point out these won't be like full blown restaurants. 00:06:05
Because those require grease traps, and there's some commercial building code that they would have to meet. 00:06:13
It wouldn't prohibit that. And so if there was interest in doing like a cafe that that could kind of service that that 00:06:19
neighborhood or something small, then they would have to meet that building code. So it would require upgrading. So it doesn't 00:06:25
necessarily stop them from doing that. So if that's something that would really benefit that neighborhood then you know the the 00:06:31
market demands it then. 00:06:36
You know, it might be nice to get kind of a little neighborhood cafe in there. One of the other things too to point out is. 00:06:42
There is a future spot where a small Co working space building can go and so that would be about kind of the idea is potentially 00:06:49
about 5000 square feet. What this building would do is it could provide. 00:06:56
Coworking space for the businesses that that are on site, so that it's a place where they can collaborate. So if you have 00:07:04
businesses that are working on projects together or that need more formal meeting space, then it provides kind of a small building 00:07:09
where where they can do that. 00:07:14
Now that would only come in if the if there was demand for it from the market and so you're not going to see that probably, you 00:07:19
know if that comes it'll be probably several years out, but that they have provided a spot where they wanted to have some 00:07:26
coworking space for for those those tenants they could go there. Another benefit too which I think is really interesting is that. 00:07:34
The residents here will also and you know if they have employees will have access to to the clubhouse. So the clubhouse will be a 00:07:43
shared benefit for everyone in the community and so it just kind of kind of provides that that additional amenity. 00:07:51
You know for that, that for pod one and those that live and. 00:08:00
Yeah, so this is a work session. Mike Olson is here. If Mike, I don't know if they'll probably have a few questions if you want to 00:08:05
come up to the podium. 00:08:09
That that is everything for me and I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:08:14
Thanks. 00:08:18
Good evening. I know a few of you. I have been here now for 13 years. 00:08:22
Started in 2010. 00:08:28
When we started here, there were 391 residents in December of 2011. 00:08:30
We, I'd like to say we've been part of the growth, but we've been around for a while. So give you a little bit of idea on how this 00:08:38
came up. 00:08:42
West Valley, Kern, Salt Lake. 00:08:48
Umm. 00:08:51
Came to me and said, you know we've got a number. 00:08:52
Residents of our city who, because of COVID, have moved their businesses into their homes. 00:08:56
Single moms, Pacific Islanders. 00:09:02
They were doing nails. They were doing. 00:09:07
They're trying to bake cookies. 00:09:10
They were doing everything they could. 00:09:12
You know. 00:09:17
So that their families could survive. 00:09:18
West Valley Kerns kind of left them alone through code enforcement because they realized. 00:09:22
If they shut them down, how's the family going to survive? 00:09:30
So we've literally been working on this plan now. And then I talked to Morgan and some of the city. 00:09:35
People about it and I thought if it works, you know, if they're having problems. 00:09:42
Kearns, West Valley, Salt Lake County. The same thing has to be happening in Vineyard with people that. 00:09:48
Whose businesses got shut down? Who started to work at home? So. 00:09:53
We're probably about the same stage. We'll break ground in the current West Valley, Salt Lake County area probably within, you 00:09:59
know, four to six months. 00:10:04
This one is about 3:00 to 4:00. 00:10:09
Ahead of that one. 00:10:12
So I started to work with our architects think Architecture to come up with the idea what would happen. 00:10:14
If you took the main floor and had. 00:10:20
Commercial zoning. 00:10:23
And put a residential zone on the second, the third. 00:10:25
And then so that kind of evolved into, OK, So what do you allow, what don't you allow? 00:10:29
If you limit a. 00:10:35
Commercial hood meaning exhaust to. 00:10:39
That limits what can be cooked and if I eliminate if I rest. 00:10:42
No deep fry. 00:10:46
That gives me another level of. 00:10:48
I'm not going to be. 00:10:52
Creating restaurants. 00:10:54
So we put together a list about six months ago with the help of the city attorney on. 00:10:57
Like. 00:11:03
Uses would be allowed. You know, everything from office use to an accounting office to somebody who wants to bake cookies to 00:11:04
whatever. 00:11:08
And. 00:11:13
Kind of the background of how it create, we got started on this. 00:11:14
My original development agreement that was recorded in 2011 allowed me 288 units on this site with 56 on this specific site. 00:11:19
And. 00:11:31
We have gone back and I have added which you'll see in the public hearing. I've added 167 parking spaces in pod One. 00:11:32
We did that by moving the curb and gutter back, moving buildings around so that I could maximize parking everywhere. 00:11:42
Then we got into. 00:11:50
Is there an area for a community garden so I can get a community garden access through our property? 00:11:52
Onto property that's owned by the city and you could access it along the trail. 00:12:01
Then we got in, Well, do you have room for a dog park? So. 00:12:07
These things have evolved literally over probably the last year and I feel like. 00:12:10
We've done everything we could to maximize the efficiency of the units and. 00:12:16
Efficiency of pod. 00:12:23
Any questions? 00:12:28
Cool. Yeah. Any questions from? Yeah. OK. So I know we don't have like a landscaping. 00:12:30
Really. Pointed out on this map yet, but with the dog park and no residents would prefer one. 00:12:37
That's shaded, probably all the ones I've seen so far. 00:12:43
A bunch of gravel with a little patch of grass. 00:12:48
It's not amenable to most dogs. 00:12:52
You're familiar with dogs. Some people are just putting that out there. This plan shows a line of trees, so maybe we can look at 00:12:55
the previous plan pre parking. 00:13:00
Added shows the trees. I'm wondering if that's going to be carried over. 00:13:07
Perfect. 00:13:13
I am pretty excited that. 00:13:14
My ask for the continuation of City Gardens in this area. 00:13:18
Is being taken seriously. 00:13:23
I think it would be great. 00:13:25
Residents on this side of. 00:13:28
And then also throughout other parts to have that option as well. 00:13:31
So in just a just a comment in regards to the garden area, the garden area is approximately 21 feet wide. 00:13:34
By 460 feet in. 00:13:43
We have parking will supply water because I can take water off of. 00:13:48
The project water that we bring in and then there will be a meter there that will be the cities. 00:13:54
So in regards to a dog park. 00:13:59
In our business, we find that we deal more with dogs now than we deal with children. 00:14:03
I mean. 00:14:10
And so the projects of ours that are finished, that are operating, 35 to 40% of the residents have dogs. 00:14:11
And it's an. 00:14:20
Every. 00:14:25
You know they eat the siding off the side of the building too. 00:14:26
The damage, the grass etc. So we isolated the dog park on the North End there. 00:14:32
We've tried everything from artificial grass to real grass to crushed granite to. 00:14:38
And I think we're almost there. We've almost figured out how to do it. 00:14:45
Because once they go on the gravel then you have to be able to get. 00:14:50
The urine and the. 00:14:54
Washed. 00:14:56
I'm not saying we're experts on dogs yet, but we're getting there. 00:14:59
Yeah, I think the key point is it's not hot for the dogs to walk on. 00:15:04
Enjoy their time there. 00:15:10
Anyway, but I think that that. 00:15:13
It's a great location for it. 00:15:15
In here, that's all I had. 00:15:19
Any other quest? 00:15:21
Yeah, I've got some questions. So as far as ownership here. 00:15:22
How does that work? What would someone buy the unit and they'd they'd own the townhome and the commercial space. There's the 00:15:29
commercial space being owned by you and just leased out. We're gonna lease it out. So all the commercial space will be owned by 00:15:34
our deal with the city, and our development agreement is that whoever lives in the unit. 00:15:40
Occupies the commercial space I don't want to deal. 00:15:45
Somebody who leases out the main. 00:15:49
You know and. 00:15:52
Something Oh, interesting. 00:15:54
Only like if I own the unit he wouldn't be in the commercial space. No, it could only be the owner and that goes to issues that we 00:15:58
started thinking about with your city attorney and how codes and stuff work and so that's what will be in the in the development. 00:16:05
So businesses go out of business sometimes as well or people career pivot So if I lived there and decided to no longer. 00:16:12
Run a business out of it? Would it just sit vacant? Or you could take the flex space and convert it into a family room and a 00:16:20
bedroom because the bathroom's already there, but they would continue leasing that space from you in addition to their ownership. 00:16:24
Interesting. 00:16:29
So we've looked at sales and leases and we think that we'll probably on this one will well even the one in Kearns West Valley will 00:16:35
lease the units. 00:16:39
We look at like you, you know, maybe UVU, BYU students that want to start a business. 00:16:45
I'm never renting. 00:16:52
And. 00:16:54
The opportunity to come here and put their business in their home. So timing wise we start say maybe in December this year. I 00:16:55
probably won't have units ready in there until. 00:17:01
Probably sometime second, third quarter of 2025, about 18 months from the time I break ground on the site before I have units 00:17:08
ready. And then along the similar line, if an investor, I mean there's lots of investors that buy these that would plan to rent 00:17:14
them out. We don't sell to investors. 00:17:20
And how do you? 00:17:26
They only lease them. We maintain ownership. We don't sell to investors for the commercial for any of it. 00:17:29
So from what I understand the commercial and the residential are tied together, it's 11 lease for one lease OK. I so these are not 00:17:35
owner occupied there, everything is being rented, OK that's what I was misunderstanding. OK, I was under. 00:17:41
Do these units? 00:17:49
Yeah. That was going to be my next question is the parking. Yeah. 00:17:52
So our development agreement, the original development agreement back in 2011, I can't build anything that doesn't have a minimum 00:17:55
of. 00:17:59
Cover 2 garages, so most of the units have two garages. I do have a thin unit and I build garages. 00:18:04
Kind of in the back and their standalones, but everybody has assigned 2 car garage with each unit. 00:18:12
Got. 00:18:19
So yeah, that was going to be my other question, just how this is parked. So take away all of the. 00:18:20
All this parking. 00:18:28
The residential parking is baked into those already, and then all the additional parking would be more for that commercial use, 00:18:30
but residents could park there as well, right? OK. 00:18:36
And that will all be man. 00:18:42
At least what we've got in the development agreement now is all of the parking will be managed in Pod One will be managed by the 00:18:44
HOA. 00:18:48
And we talked about both sides of the street, we'll have parking and so I don't know if you have that that exhibit, maybe we can 00:18:51
have that. I think we might have that the paper form, but we could have that as part of the packet for the, the public hearing. 00:18:59
But you'll have you know both sides. So it's actually called quite a bit like the question I have for city on that is. 00:19:06
We're using park strip and right of way. 00:19:14
For. 00:19:18
Umm. 00:19:21
You could probably debate whether that's a good thing, a bad thing, right? Some some might like it, some might not. 00:19:22
But you're going to get the. 00:19:27
Why are we doing that on this project and not others? Are we going to ditch park strips? 00:19:30
In other parts of the city to add additional parking and this may not be for you to answer necessarily, but I think every all know 00:19:35
that like if someone sees this and it looks like. 00:19:40
And the. 00:19:44
Parking for a development here but not here. Maybe you could comment on that. Yeah, standpoint I believe with this one. 00:19:46
Let's see our we'd have, we'd have to look at the width I think we're going to try to keep. 00:19:55
Like street trees where we can. 00:20:01
Umm. 00:20:04
Yeah, we may need to dig into that. And I'm paying. 00:20:05
Yeah. 00:20:08
So I'm part on my property in part on the right. 00:20:09
And all the improvements I pay for cities not paying for. 00:20:14
And going back to 2011? 00:20:18
2010. 00:20:21
With the planners that we're here. 00:20:23
I mean, and I don't, I'm not saying that we're now correcting things. 00:20:25
But by putting the parking the way that we're doing there and. 00:20:30
Access for the public, that slows the traffic. 00:20:35
Yep. No. So I'm not fighting for or against this necessarily. I'm just saying. But I'm telling you, it's what you open up like 00:20:39
someone, another developer that already has something that's established. If they came to the city and said, hey, can we tear out 00:20:43
the park strip and put in parking here? 00:20:48
Would the city say yes, No. You know, if they were going to fund it. So I'm just saying like once people see this, they might 00:20:53
think let's do it in other areas. Some might love that idea, some might not. We did the same thing on 3rd West. 00:20:58
Yeah, both that additional parking, we put that in, we pay for it, Yeah, with the idea that as those red, those Pod 6, Pod 7 fills 00:21:05
in. 00:21:09
You're going to have people that are going to use that trail system down there along the lake. 00:21:14
Started to think about a lot of it was Naseem. 00:21:20
And Morgan, that said, what could we do down there to? 00:21:23
You know, parking. And so I think it's going to work. 00:21:27
Yeah. And Mike maybe something we can work on before the next meeting is if there's not room for the traditional park strip doing 00:21:31
like the the property side trees because those are pretty nice. So instead of having the tree separating you from like traffic, 00:21:37
here you have the the parking stall that creates the buffer for the pedestrian. But maybe on the property side we we we try to get 00:21:43
some trees. So you still get some of the canopy. 00:21:49
No. 00:21:57
I guess an additional question with the parking, would this be have the same limits that it does on 300 W where it's no overnight 00:21:59
parking? 00:22:02
Correct. 00:22:06
You go ahead. 00:22:09
On these. 00:22:13
Is there like room that you could add? 00:22:15
Like simple auto care or something like if they have garages people could pull in a car and like. 00:22:17
Take care of some minor maintenance and so we've talked about it. We won't allow any mechanical. 00:22:23
Any mechanics or oil changes or anything like that? 00:22:28
Mostly because I don't want the environmental. 00:22:33
If somebody was to spill something and I have to clean it up. 00:22:36
We took that off. 00:22:40
You know, yeah, we thought about kind of the noise too, because if you are, if you do have someone living. 00:22:42
Like right next to where the garage, it is a good kind of idea where you could provide kind of a neighborhood like auto service 00:22:46
for people but just with the air guns and whatnot like, you know I could somebody with that size garage is going to have an air 00:22:53
gun or everybody goes for like little battery Milwaukee nowadays but. 00:22:59
Did you have any questions, Chris? Yeah, I'm just, I'm looking at the county parcel map. So is this all being done? 00:23:11
On the existing pod one or is there some of that Vineyard City land that some of the road and parking stuff is going to be on that 00:23:17
as well? Yeah, so just the street. There was a swap that still needs to occur. We worked with Mikey team when we did the overpass 00:23:23
and I wasn't. 00:23:29
I think it was Don Overson who kind of managed that project, but I didn't see my note. But there, well, there was, there was an 00:23:36
exchange so that we got the land for the overpass, you got the land for the overpass and you got the land for a new Vineyard Rd. 00:23:41
at no cost. 00:23:46
And then I got anything that was leftover after you were done building the bridge. So let's present it here is taking into account 00:23:51
that's yeah. So we still we still need to make picking up about 1.08 acres from the city on the exchange for when we built the new 00:23:56
Vineyard Rd. 00:24:02
And you guys got that for free and that goes back to. 00:24:08
An agreement that we had with the city, it's either dated 2016 or 2017. 00:24:12
Do you have any other questions? 00:24:20
I don't necessarily have a question, it's more just the concern of the amount of on street parking there. I mean I this last week 00:24:22
and you get Friday, Saturday is really busy with. 00:24:27
And then I went up. I usually go up that street every weekend and we had a bunch of bikers on the streets. We had cars going both 00:24:32
way. We had some cars pulled off into the like that little dog park area there. So I'm imagining all these cars pulled in at 00:24:38
angles wanting to back up now and it's going to quickly on weekends become a pretty busy street at times with with people at a 00:24:44
standstill. I think we're at 40 miles an hour, aren't we in the scene on that road now? 00:24:51
That's a 25 mile per hour St. currently. They just changed it, yeah, yeah. 00:24:59
Sorry, Yeah, Vineyard. 00:25:04
South Vineyard Grove, which is what's called right there, that's 25 miles an hour along our section. 00:25:09
On one side it goes up to 30 miles an hour. We're going to work with the one to reduce that down so when people are coming from. 00:25:15
Into Vineyard. That's 25 miles an hour. 00:25:22
But also with the with doing the crosswalks kind of deliberately, kind of at the throat of the of the area. 00:25:24
With the flashers and so forth, should be would allow us to be able. 00:25:32
Keep those speed limits low. 00:25:37
With this, as we are building on this, we're going to take a pointed. 00:25:40
To see how. 00:25:44
Interactions are and possibly even lower it down to maybe 20 miles an hour in order to ensure that. 00:25:47
Their cross connect. 00:25:53
Stay safe for pedestrians. 00:25:55
And what So what the process is for this. So what the development agreement does is it approves kind of like the elements as part 00:26:07
of the agreement and then what we would do a site plan. So Mike and he has those essentially ready, he'd come in for a site plan 00:26:13
and then we would look at the street, we would look at the, the, the site. 00:26:19
And so there would be like a formal site plan and then at that time too we could we could to do a deeper dive into the into the 00:26:26
street. But there's there's lots of ways I mean with the with the on street parking that helps to slow traffic. There's areas 00:26:32
potentially where you might you know if you do like a refuge island creating some of those those pinch points creates more of like 00:26:38
a walking feel and there's and there's things with like surface material and there's there's quite a few things. 00:26:45
That we could do. One of the things that Nasim requested as well was that as a pedestrian goes into the crosswalk that there's a 00:26:52
light, an overhead light that actually lights up the crosswalk itself. 00:26:57
And so that's so it's not just like the flashing indicators, but it's a light that would provide an illumination to the actual 00:27:03
crossing. So you know, if it's not you would see someone walking across. So there's quite a bit we we could do to this section to 00:27:08
make it more of a kind of a slower easier crossing St. Cool. 00:27:14
Yeah, and Nissim's saying we're getting those for the other crosswalks as well. So very cool. 00:27:22
Cool. I had a question, I guess, about the other park that's kind of. 00:27:27
Being used as a dog park. Are their intentions to keep that being used as a dog park or hope that everybody starts to use this new 00:27:32
area? 00:27:35
I could. So we so we're actually going to push that back to the HOA. So right now it's a, it's a City Park, but it actually 00:27:40
functions more like an like an HOA park and then. 00:27:46
Like like Mike discussed before. 00:27:53
You know dogs are pretty big issue, so that would allow the HOA then to enforce like the like the no dog off leash rules and. 00:27:55
After your dog? Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah, you know. 00:28:04
Especially in a detention pond. Yeah, exactly. 00:28:08
OK. 00:28:12
Um. 00:28:13
How, how big is that area for that proposed, I guess, dog park? 00:28:14
You know how big that is? 00:28:20
6644 square feet. It's 21 feet by 316 in length, 21 by 316. 00:28:26
OK. 00:28:35
Umm. 00:28:37
And then as far as um. 00:28:38
We're not trying to do any kind of asphalt trail connections through this area at all, are we? I have a trail as part of my 00:28:42
original development agreement that goes along the base of the. 00:28:48
Feel for the bridge. 00:28:54
So I pick up the sidewalk on center. 00:28:56
Where the sidewalk ends. And then I tie a asphalt trail to that sidewalk. Perfect. And that sidewalk goes all along the base of 00:29:00
the fill. 00:29:05
And it goes all the way to the trail. 00:29:10
That parallels the track. 00:29:13
Awesome. That's great. 00:29:16
And then I know that this is going to be asked by the public, so I might as well ask it myself as far as. 00:29:21
Selling any of these units, is that a possibility to sell some or is leasing like? 00:29:27
At this point, we'd probably. 00:29:33
OK. 00:29:36
I don't. I don't env. 00:29:37
That these units would ever be sold. 00:29:39
Because, because. 00:29:42
As. 00:29:44
We're seeing more and more of this as like mostly leased units. I know that there were a lot of residents that were kind of 00:29:45
disappointed that the rest of the units in the area were being leased. 00:29:50
And we want people to feel connected to the community in such a way that they feel like they. 00:29:55
Invest in the community by purchasing a unit. 00:30:01
I'd love to. 00:30:06
Some kind of push towards something like that? 00:30:08
Especially with these small business ones where someone could purchase it and. 00:30:12
Continue their business here would be. 00:30:17
Uh. 00:30:21
Mike, it'll be plaited so that you guys could if you if you change your mind. 00:30:22
The biggest reason you're seeing so much of this now with least townhomes? 00:30:28
Is because of building. 00:30:33
I mean, I've got units in pod One, for instance. If I wanted to come out on top, I'd have to sell that bigger unit for over 00:30:36
700,000. 00:30:39
For a townhouse you know. 00:30:44
So and we made the decision in you know a few months ago in part one, phase one. 00:30:47
That with our overall. 00:30:53
We're better to lease those and I'm not saying that down the road they wouldn't be resold or be sold, but for right now our plan 00:30:56
is to lease them out. 00:31:00
OK. 00:31:06
And you know in part one, phase one, we're doing one year leases. You know, I don't know how long they'll stay and we have a, you 00:31:08
know another project in Harriman. 00:31:12
With three bedroom units, I mean, I've got people that have been in there now for four. 00:31:18
I think a lot of it depends on what interest rates do. A lot of it depends on, you know what I mean? Costs aren't coming down. 00:31:23
And everybody says that costs are really starting to come. 00:31:32
They're not coming down the only thing that's happening in the. 00:31:36
We've seen a drop in lumber and we've seen somewhat of a drop in concrete, but what's happening is the subcontractors now instead 00:31:39
of saying. 00:31:43
You know, we'll put you on our waiting list. 00:31:47
They're more readily available to come. 00:31:50
But we're not seeing a big drop in costs. 00:31:53
You know. 00:31:56
We track it weekly. It kind of is what? 00:31:58
I don't see, even if the economy gets better, that prices are going to start to drop. 00:32:02
And then the other thing will be. 00:32:09
Parking plan. 00:32:11
With other developments that we've had, parking becomes an issue because. 00:32:14
It's not managed. 00:32:20
So we want to see what your management plan is going to be for this area just so that we don't have residents that move in here 00:32:23
and. 00:32:27
Once the units finally fill, they come to the city and they're like you didn't. 00:32:31
Make there be enough parking here so we want to make sure that it's managed correctly that people know. 00:32:35
Exactly how much parking that they have that they're not using their garages for storage, especially businesses that are could 00:32:40
potentially be using this for just storing their merchandise. 00:32:45
So do you have a management plan already or yeah, so it's our intent to always have an on site manager. 00:32:52
OK. Right now they'll be in one of the units in part one, phase one and then when the clubhouse is done, there will be two offices 00:32:59
inside the clubhouse and we will always have it staffed. 00:33:04
OK. 00:33:09
And that. 00:33:09
I mean a lot of it is that's the way we do it. I mean whether it be Harriman or anywhere else, we deal with parking issues all the 00:33:11
time and. 00:33:15
We. 00:33:19
We'll have a small sticker that they'll put on their back window. 00:33:21
Or front window, we haven't decided but. 00:33:24
If they're there, they get a warning. We find and. 00:33:26
Because nothing hurts a project worse than. 00:33:32
Cars parked everywhere, Yeah. And we, yeah. We just want to make sure that residents, when they lease units, that they're aware 00:33:35
that this is how many cars you're allowed to have. 00:33:40
And there. 00:33:46
And that's it. 00:33:47
Umm. 00:33:50
Are there any other questions? Yeah. Do you have an estimate of what you anticipate these running out for? 00:33:50
If things stay the way they are right now. 00:34:00
Probably between 19122. 00:34:03
How big are these units? 00:34:07
There are between about. 00:34:09
Right around 16 to I think my biggest units, that corner unit, I think it's around 2200. 00:34:11
OK. And that includes the commercial space, that includes the commercial space. How big, how big are you imagining the commercial 00:34:17
space is to be about? 00:34:21
If I include the bathroom with them, they. 00:34:36
300 Square. 00:34:42
Is there any opportunity for low income? 00:34:45
No. 00:34:49
This is probably getting more into site plan territory, but you know most businesses want some sort of signage. 00:34:53
But I don't think it makes sense to have, you know, 56 right lit up signs in a residential area, right? So what's? 00:34:59
What's the thought there as far as you pull into it and you need to find the hair salon or the proper signage at each of the, what 00:35:06
we'll call the Plaza areas that will that we can change if their business changes or whatever. So we'll do that. 00:35:14
On each of the plazas, and I have four of them. 00:35:22
And to keep it uniform to it, we probably could put something in there that like on their actual suite that it's a sign that's no 00:35:26
larger than like like 2 square feet. I think our home occupation code is something similar to that. But so you can't like, yeah, 00:35:33
we'll want to keep an eye on that. Yeah, you want to have could get crazy different things in there. 00:35:40
Do you anticipate mimicking this if it works in some of the other pods? 00:35:48
The only place I could do this is in pod 2. 00:35:53
Which is on the backside of Pod One that ties into the Orem City Park. 00:35:57
That's really because everything else is plotted, I think we. 00:36:02
Just roughly, I think I still have around 300, three, 125 single family. 00:36:06
None of those will be changed. 00:36:11
But in pod. 00:36:13
This could work in pod too and but if I did it I mean I. 00:36:15
Don't hold me to anything. 00:36:19
We've. 00:36:21
Especially because of the number of college students here, we've looked at a micro unit. 00:36:23
Micro unit is another word for a tiny home. 00:36:29
When I say tiny, I'm talking. 00:36:33
You'd probably have somewhere around 5:25 to 550 square feet but a standalone tiny home. They in order to make it work, they'd be 00:36:36
connected, but it would just be a smaller. 00:36:42
Maybe 1 college student. You could probably take the rents down. 00:36:48
1000 to 1200. 00:36:53
But we've looked a little bit about expanding if this works. 00:36:56
As. 00:37:01
Talked about we are planning if it works and if we have enough demand, we could put a 5000 square foot building on one of the 00:37:03
plazas and still have plenty. 00:37:09
Plenty of room. That would be a two-story building, so it wouldn't be any taller. 00:37:16
We've looked. 00:37:20
Podcast. 00:37:23
Conference. 00:37:25
Cubicles. 00:37:27
So. 00:37:29
I'm not aware of anything like this in Utah. That's been done yet. I'm not saying that you couldn't find it, but I'm not aware of 00:37:32
anything. 00:37:35
But I think you'll be surprised at the demand, especially from the college students from BYU and UVU that have. 00:37:39
You know, the idea of being able to create a business in. 00:37:46
So I really like the. 00:37:52
I'm really concerned because I mean I've never seen something like it, but haven't done small businesses like. 00:37:54
Huge benefit there, but. 00:37:59
It's just different. It's very different and and you have no idea how many people are going to, I mean somebody could be really 00:38:01
popular and you're going to get a ton of traffic in there. We have Holdaway Rd. there that's had, you know, their concerns with 00:38:06
with coming and going. We're going to have the other pods built. 00:38:11
It's it's just very different. It's giving me a little concern of do we know what this is going to do traffic wise to that area 00:38:17
so. 00:38:20
And then how many units is it for this entire for the whole development? Again, odd one. I have 200 and 88288. 00:38:28
My map here. I've had this map since I moved to veneer, so I was just curious. It's still accurate. So 288 on the map, so cool. 00:38:39
And going back to the original plan, I had 56 in here. So we're not increasing the density, not increasing. These footprints are 00:38:45
actually a little bit smaller than what I'm currently doing. 00:38:51
On positive, are you going to have that planning connecting and then connecting on Holdaway Road as well? You want the whole 00:38:59
story. I think it's good, like you know how this will kind of interconnect? 00:39:03
Traffic wise, my development agreement. 00:39:08
Because going back to 2010, 2011 won't allow it. The two families said no, I'm restricted to have any access on the whole way. 00:39:12
So I have the storm drain sewer water that's on the shoulder of hold away but as it is worded right now I have I cannot have any 00:39:24
access onto all the way. 00:39:29
Do we plan, I mean is that and that's planned? 00:39:39
Development, I mean it's in the development agreement when when they did. 00:39:42
When they bought this land. 00:39:46
All the land pretty much that connects could have potentially connected to Holdaway Rd. They said that they couldn't connect 00:39:49
anywhere. So whether that's the Elms where I live or this development or the single family homes that are going in next to this 00:39:56
development, it doesn't mean the city can't connect if we want if they change that development agreement, OK, So that's going to 00:40:03
stay the way it is. I would say for the foreseeable future. I would guess that it would probably stay the same. 00:40:10
And we've always made our, like our walking trail that'll go along, hold away. It's on our side of the, it's on our property. 00:40:19
It'll eventually tied to the school and then it goes. 00:40:23
South and then connects back over to the City Park. We'll probably do that in the next year, but even that. 00:40:29
I couldn't put it. 00:40:35
Along the side of. 00:40:37
Yeah. 00:40:39
Yep. 00:40:40
Umm. 00:40:43
Did you guys have any other questions or I'm going to let the public come and ask some questions. Sometimes we miss a couple of 00:40:44
things. So you have some questions, Daria. 00:40:48
OK, if you wouldn't mind and I'll write down your questions like normally do and. 00:40:53
Daria Evans, Menu resident. Thank you. 00:41:05
I just have a couple questions I need clarification at the beginning of this agenda tonight, it said under the summary of request. 00:41:08
It's at the community garden. Water stuff was going to be on the West. 00:41:18
And then further down it says it's on the. 00:41:22
So I don't know which is which. It's from what? He explained. It's going to be on the east. It will be on the east, yes, OK, next 00:41:25
to the trail there, The Walking trail that goes under the overpass, Okay. 00:41:30
Sure. I'll have her ask Oliver questions. 00:41:36
I haven't clarified that, just OK and then it says at the beginning of it says 56 town. 00:41:40
And then the legend says 55 units with 50 parking spaces. 00:41:46
So I just want a clarification on that. 00:41:51
And I want. 00:41:55
How much the first floor is increasing? 00:41:57
How height flies and what will the total height of? 00:42:01
Residential unit B. 00:42:04
OK. 00:42:06
And. 00:42:07
I I didn't quite hear him say how large those units. 00:42:10
Will be. I thought he said 1600 to 2000, so I'd like to need that clarified. 00:42:15
And will these units? 00:42:20
Look like the units that are. 00:42:23
To the West, that first unit would be of those townhomes that are already finished. Well, these units look like that. 00:42:27
And if you put if they decide to put in that Co working space. 00:42:35
In that Plaza 2 area, does that mean that they will be taking out that playground? 00:42:40
Right. 00:42:46
And also I am concerned about the on street parking because when I ride my bike down there. 00:42:47
It's a tight Rd. 00:42:54
And I'm on the sidewalk and it's tight and if you have parking there. 00:42:56
And people are going to come. 00:43:02
Yeah. 00:43:04
The way it is situated. So those are my questions. Thank you very much. 00:43:05
Any other public comments? 00:43:10
Go ahead, grade. 00:43:12
Great and Hustler, Vineyard resident. 00:43:17
Thanks Mike for coming out just. 00:43:21
This is an exciting development. I do have a few questions as far as you know management down the road. 00:43:24
56 different. 00:43:32
Bus. 00:43:34
Are going to be created. 00:43:36
You know, how friendly will you? 00:43:39
With working with the city if there. 00:43:42
Certain. 00:43:46
Maybe, Yeah, one business is just super busy and. 00:43:48
20. 00:43:54
At any given. 00:43:56
Or maybe. 00:43:59
10 different businesses that are super busy and some. 00:44:03
Maybe you could just kind of speak on that as far? 00:44:07
Regulation of your. 00:44:11
And the type of. 00:44:15
How you? 00:44:18
What they're doing and what their demand or need is. 00:44:20
And that's kind of. 00:44:26
Concern. Thanks. 00:44:28
Thanks, Gray. 00:44:30
Any other? Yeah, go ahead. 00:44:32
I'm Kristen Crespo, Vineyard resident, so the parking along the road reminds me a lot of Provo Center St. because they were parked 00:44:37
there. It's so hard to get out once you're parked. I hate backing out because, like sometimes they'll be a big truck beside me and 00:44:44
I cannot see until I am, like, basically in the road. 00:44:52
That's scary, That parking and just being able to back out and not hit another car or someone coming along, and also someone's 00:44:59
backing out and already in the road and you're like slamming on your brakes. 00:45:04
So that's concerning for that parking along the street. 00:45:10
That was my biggest thing. So thanks. Awesome. Thank you. 00:45:16
Any other public comments? 00:45:21
Could I have you stand back up Mike and I could just I could just a couple of those. Oh sure. So as far as the parking goes that 00:45:25
that that's definitely something that's concerned. We do have Ave. consultants who is a are are and and Hales Engineering they're 00:45:31
both traffic consultants that we have in retainer. And so when we do the site plan we'll have them look at that and and look at 00:45:38
how how do you make it safe because there are ways that you can make parking on on St. safer. 00:45:44
7A Deeper stall and. 00:45:55
Right. 00:46:02
Right. And there's other options that's a, this is a pull in angle there. There's another that's a reverse back end angle where 00:46:05
instead of pulling in you drive past it and and then you back in and those. Yeah and those those are a lot safer for for pulling 00:46:12
out and we are testing that in the the Promenade in downtown to see see how it functions. It's so it's kind of people get kind of 00:46:20
annoyed with having to to back in but then it makes it a lot safer for pulling out because your eyes are looking forward. 00:46:28
Absolutely. So we would have our our consultant look at that and help us with with kind of designing that. 00:46:43
The as far as the the height of the overall building, they're constrained to 35 feet that that's our standard for. 00:46:51
You know, townhomes and and just single family homes. Mike you you might be able to address that. I like how hard. 00:46:58
And then the ground floor too. 00:47:06
Do you know what the ground floor is going to be? 00:47:09
And the size? He did say 1600 to 2200. 00:47:17
With the commercial space being about 300 square feet. 00:47:23
And then the garden area you wanted to clarify. 00:47:28
The. 00:47:32
You can you can point on that one over there if you want. 00:47:35
On our development plans, I have the water. Water. 00:47:38
And then Mike, architecturally, I know you have kind of the paper drawings and so if you would. 00:47:50
Would you? 00:47:55
Yeah. But maybe for this, could you just, could they. Oh, you do. Yeah. Yeah. It's more of a storefront. OK, great. And then with 00:47:57
the 56 townhomes, is it going to be 56 townhomes and 56 parking spaces? 00:48:03
For 56 times. 00:48:10
Times. 00:48:12
OK. 00:48:15
Parking spaces within a. 00:48:17
Within a garage. 00:48:19
I mean those. 00:48:22
They're all in the backside. 00:48:24
Going back to our development agreement. 00:48:27
There was, I think this is an what's called an alley. 00:48:32
Yeah. 00:48:35
So on the back sides of all of those will either have A1 car garage or A2 car garage. If they have a one car garage, then I'm 00:48:38
building I'm building an additional garage so that everybody has. 00:48:43
Is there any visitor spaces? I believe right, Yeah, here and these end caps. 00:48:52
Is there any visitor parking beyond that? 00:48:58
Yes. 00:49:00
So. 00:49:01
Look. 00:49:02
I have. 00:49:09
So go. 00:49:11
So along the trail. 00:49:13
Said 18 or 20. That's 1818. Yep, and I have visitor parking up there of an additional 15. 00:49:16
Now. 00:49:24
And then I have the parking in the front, so. 00:49:30
Visitor parking on site, I have 18 and 15, so 33 and then maybe for the the next meeting we showed the overall pod one because 00:49:32
Mike is adding additional parking throughout the development that won't necessarily serve like the commerce, but but it's 00:49:39
providing more capacity and I don't know if you know that number. Yeah, so there's there's quite a bit of parking that's going to 00:49:45
be added just in the development. 00:49:51
Plan of Pod One. On the development agreement, I've added an additional 167 parking spaces to Odd One. Cool. 00:49:58
All right. 00:50:07
And then as far as the looks of the buildings, are they going to look similar to the other buildings that have currently been 00:50:08
built or no, OK. 00:50:13
Uh. 00:50:19
As far as like the standards, is that going to be Mike, if you haven't even hold it up just so they can see it and we'll have it 00:50:20
in the packet, OK? 00:50:24
OK, well, they're not too different. 00:50:31
They're three stories, so they're taller, yeah. 00:50:34
No. 00:50:42
All. 00:50:44
Cool. And we can get these entered in for the public hearing, yeah. 00:50:45
Cool. 00:50:52
Is there going to be a prevention on subletting? So somebody rents a unit and then they're like, oh, I'm going to rent out just 00:50:56
that commercial space, OK. Yeah, in regards to the commercial. 00:51:01
What our development agreement? 00:51:06
Anybody. 00:51:10
Floor has to get a conditional use from the. 00:51:13
And. 00:51:16
So. 00:51:19
Between ourselves on the management side and the city on the permitting side and licensing side. 00:51:19
Yeah. 00:51:28
Protect. 00:51:30
Who? 00:51:32
I asked that because I think are we going to have a long line of people there? And then I mean because right up the street we have 00:52:07
Starbucks and you know in the morning it gets busy and I can see the outdoor Plaza areas too. That's something Mike and I've 00:52:13
talked about that if if there is like a demand for like a little coffee shop, we you know that that's the space that could be 00:52:19
programmed to have more outdoor dining as well. 00:52:25
OK. And then if that building is built in Plaza? 00:52:33
Is that positive too right? 00:52:39
Does that get rid of the playground that's there or? 00:52:41
OK. 00:52:45
The color map I showed was was was an earlier rendition that was only colored one I had at the time, OK. So we'll have, we'll have 00:52:47
everything updated. So the I I believe that's that'll just be outdoor space, OK. That would just be like a Plaza. 00:52:54
OK. And the playground would be in the Upper West northwest corner if this was the older? 00:53:03
Map and so yeah, I was just trying to give you some of the context a little bit more visual. So this will be updated to reflect 00:53:12
this map here. 00:53:16
And then as far as biking, one thing was the trail connection is going to be going through there, so. 00:53:25
That trail will go along the whole Northside of this. 00:53:32
And connect to the trail, so if somebody's coming pretty much anywhere. 00:53:35
The northern side, they would just take that trail and Justice avoid that road altogether because currently you'd have to go to 00:53:41
the other side of the road and then go under the underpass. So I think that that will take a lot of traffic. 00:53:47
A lot of bicycle traffic off the road, except for the bicyclists that are probably already going close to 25 miles an hour. 00:53:54
Um. 00:54:01
Yeah, it's not me. 00:54:03
And then as far as if there is a is a business. 00:54:06
In demand they they're trending like is there something like? 00:54:10
Is there anything you plan on having in place as far as managing something that's getting too much traffic or? 00:54:17
Agreement. But I can't. 00:54:26
Yeah, it's 300 square feet. 00:54:28
If you had a coffee shop there or small bakery, you might have. 00:54:33
OK. 00:54:47
Whatever it is they're picking up, they'll go out and sit. 00:54:48
OK. 00:54:51
I'm not. I mean, going back to our list. 00:54:52
Morgan I can't think of any. 00:54:55
Yeah, really the idea and one thing that I would say kind of been that would be a benefit for the rental. I get that the ownership 00:55:02
is great. You know it's someone's like is buying space, they can be there long term. But with the the rental model from an 00:55:09
economic development standpoint what what we see it as as as incubator space that this is a place where you have people can start 00:55:15
businesses then as they expand. 00:55:21
Hopefully we do our. 00:55:27
And retain them in the city, but they they move to like a, you know, one of the larger like office buildings like in the downtown 00:55:29
or in the forge around the movie theater that there's you know, that that's our hope is that this is a way for us to grow. 00:55:36
Like the small grassroots businesses into larger businesses that can stay in Vineyard, not all of them will, but that's that's 00:55:44
kind of the hope. 00:55:48
OK. 00:55:53
Did I cover everything? Daria, you have another question. OK, Yeah, come ahead. Yeah, you gotta. 00:55:55
If someone leases it and. 00:56:05
Starts a. 00:56:07
And it said it's not a go. 00:56:09
Would they still have to pay the city? 00:56:16
Yeah. 00:56:21
The whole lease. 00:56:24
Yeah. So essentially these are. 00:56:26
The other way to view this is these are all just normal single family dwellings. They're all, and. 00:56:30
Allowing it so that they can have a storefront, like it would be like a house, like if I decided to run a business out of my 00:56:38
house, which I actually do. 00:56:41
Than. 00:56:46
It's just allowing. 00:56:48
Different types of uses where people can walk up or there can actually be car traffic and stuff like that, so. 00:56:50
So the the commercial and the residential space, are there one in the same? 00:56:58
And that's another one of the kind of the benefits from like a small business standpoint is you're combining kind of the amount 00:57:04
they would because typically if you go and just rent commercial space that's going to be fairly expensive and then a unit is going 00:57:10
to be fairly expensive to rent for living. But if you combine them, it gives you kind of the benefit of of you know the cost 00:57:16
savings of of of using that space in a dual purpose. 00:57:21
Were there any other questions from the public? 00:57:31
All right. I think we've addressed everything. Did you guys have any other questions? 00:57:33
Did you guys have any other? 00:57:38
I did want to just note you mentioned Provo Provo center. 00:57:40
Not that people drive this, but uh. 00:57:44
The speed limit is 15 miles an hour. 00:57:47
It's the first article that popped up when I googled what is Provo Center St. It said it's 15 miles an hour, but studies have 00:57:52
shown it's 35 is what that is actually driven. 00:57:56
Anyway, yeah, I think you bring up a good point. You know, if there's ever places that feel unsafe or haven't worked the way that 00:58:02
you'd think, like we. 00:58:06
Design these properly so that it functions the way that we hope for. Now installed the speed tables. 00:58:10
Near where the City Hall is. And So what they're trying to do is catch people as they enter that zone. So the speed table kind of 00:58:17
helps sets the the tone they're they're still going to go faster than 15, but they're doing that turn could be. 00:58:24
Scary. 00:58:33
And this is a question I guess for staff, if you guys even know, Does Orem have any plans for making that intersection better on 00:58:36
400 S and? 00:58:40
Yeah, I think, I think there are plans in the works they've they've said that they they're working on it and Nasim is also working 00:58:48
with. 00:58:53
With our staff and with Orem to try to look at options there. 00:58:58
Yeah, I think the idea is cool. I, of course am a strong proponent for at home businesses like. 00:59:08
Like I said. 00:59:15
But. 00:59:17
Yeah, if you can bring anything as far as management plan on? 00:59:19
How you're planning on managing it, how you're planning on informing residents of their parking, That would be helpful. 00:59:23
And then? 00:59:29
Yeah. 00:59:32
Yeah. Besides that, I think everything looks good. We'll have our. 00:59:34
One just popped into my head. Where's the pedestrian island or pedestrian refuge? 00:59:38
You said might be on this for the crossing, I believe. Yeah, Naseem stepped out. I don't know if you if you know this one. Yeah, I 00:59:43
don't think you're in that meeting. I believe in Mike, you probably know, but I believe Nasim wanted it here because that accesses 00:59:49
the clubhouse And so you're gonna see the most traffic with at least the internal residents crossing back and forth from the 00:59:55
clubhouse, which would be the kind of the hub on the South side and then to the live work units. 01:00:01
All right. Thank you so much. Thanks, Mike. See you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, Good to see you too. 01:00:10
All right. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure, did anybody have anything to report or 01:00:15
disclose? I've got a couple of things. One, I'll also bring this up to the bike Commission, but I was at a conference for work, a 01:00:21
sustainability conference in Boston earlier this week. 01:00:27
And they had a whole lot of good information about. 01:00:34
It was mostly geared toward higher education, but campuses are essentially just little cities, Walkable cities. 01:00:37
I mean I I don't know what the I don't know if there's a penalty or anything but we're under state code we're told they to get 4 01:01:15
hours and we we we can also send out just some like videos and and things to to educate you and maybe we'll. 01:01:21
Another training before the end of the year, but yeah, we definitely got to try to get at least two more and I think you all will 01:01:27
be covered. 01:01:31
So and so you Anthony you you can count that, you know if it's anything related to planning, you know it can be sustainability, it 01:01:35
can be traffic and urban design whatnot, economic development, any of that could count, so great. 01:01:44
One other thing I had. 01:01:52
Probably heightened awareness of this just because of elections going on and people going back and figuring out like what was 01:01:54
said, what was planned and when. 01:01:57
I've had a couple of residents. 01:02:02
Why? The recordings are not posted for all of the Planning Commission, so it might be good to just do. 01:02:05
A quick audit. I'm looking online here and it looks like there's. 01:02:11
From March that don't have the actual audio and video recording. 01:02:15
We've been pretty good. 01:02:20
Having the minutes uploaded up until July and then I think we even though we've approved some, just getting those uploaded. 01:02:22
And that's at the request of, so yeah. 01:02:29
Keep it up today as quickly as possible because a lot of people can't come to these and they don't want to wait months to find out 01:02:32
what happened. Rachel is she, she's getting that that that'll upload it. So I'll talk with her. Pam. Pam has already met with us 01:02:36
on that. 01:02:41
Thank you. 01:02:45
Anything else? Yeah. 01:02:47
3 residents hit me up about a skate park. Does anybody have any idea on where that is or when it's going in? We're all three of 01:02:50
them, Bryce. 01:02:53
No, not one of them. So I guess more than Chris wants it as part of the Central Corridor open space plan, there was a spot that 01:02:59
was designated here on the City Hall lot. We are looking at the fire station. So if this lot is chosen as the fire station. 01:03:07
If there's room, we'll still do it, but if not then we would look at another spot. We are having a BYU class. 01:03:17
If you remember Jeff Knighton, that he was the chair of the commissioner for a while. Really great architect. He's teaching a 01:03:24
class. 01:03:26
So he they're looking at, they're doing like a design studio on what a Community Center could look for Vineyard. And they'll 01:03:29
they'll actually come in and do a presentation but just some really cool concepts and some of them are actually proposing like 01:03:36
that might be a good alternative in that area near the Community Center, same person actually asked me also about a mountain bike 01:03:42
thing about the green space. Yeah, so up north. 01:03:48
So the teardrop of downtown, it's like kind of teardrop shape, it's called Geneva Park that in the zoning that that's kind of 01:03:56
designated as open space. There are some big mounds there that have to be kept in place because that it that's the area where the 01:04:02
less like toxic material. 01:04:08
What was capped the place you can't eat the dirt don't don't eat the dirt but but but it's capped it's safe but that's an area 01:04:14
because they have to be hills anyway that we've actually been looking at doing like either a city mountain bike park and we've 01:04:22
also had like an adventure type business that does like climbing mountain biking rafting and and they they've been interested in 01:04:29
that too. So there's definitely a lot of interest but we haven't like necessarily designated a spot. 01:04:36
In the Central Corridor area, there's kind of the more I guess. 01:04:44
Grassroots type, you know, where like, the kids made like a small mountain bike. 01:04:49
That's actually pretty fun. I I took my bike on it good good berms and stuff. But that that's an area in the plan where the city 01:04:53
is designated putting additional resources. So not not to wipe out what the kids have done, but you know maybe making it a little 01:05:00
bit better at adding some some little rats. But it would be a small area right there. But if we do, if we do a big one, it would 01:05:06
be up, up north, north part of the city. 01:05:12
Perfect. There's also plans to do one on the beachfront somewhere at some point, right? Yeah, there's a few few areas we've looked 01:05:19
at. 01:05:23
Yep. 01:05:27
It's so nice to hear that not coming from me like. 01:05:28
Like to hear that? 01:05:32
Yeah. 01:05:35
Cool. Anything from staff? Yeah, really quick from planning. We recently held our stakeholder interviews with the economic develop 01:05:38
for the economic development strategic plan. Bryce was was interviewed as being a local business owner. So did that go well, I 01:05:45
don't think. 01:05:52
For like an hour. An hour, Yeah, they talked to me for a while. Yeah, they loved you. But they, they interviewed a lot of 01:05:59
businesses throughout the community, the stakeholders like UVU, U dot, mag, all those folks. 01:06:05
For for degrees that that could help you know fill jobs in those in that sector but kind of doing that all all together in one 01:06:49
area. So kind of the area where UVU is at now kind of the north side of that looking at doing a larger kind of medical village 01:06:56
where potentially you could have all those uses together and even provide like on site housing for for for doctors and for even 01:07:04
like for long term patients that have visitors that come so kind of creating. 01:07:11
A village concept. 01:07:19
Working with Leland Consultants, that's the economic development group and also Sasaki Urban Design is the group that's kind of 01:07:21
master planning the area with us. So anyway it's kind of a neat concept but it's got a lot of traction. 01:07:28
And with Huntsman coming, it's really kind of helped make it more of a reality so. 01:07:37
Anyway, I think medical is a great sector for the city to go after, yeah. 01:07:44
I'll report as well that we put in place that pedestrian refuge on 600 N and Main St. 01:07:52
So that the concrete's in the ramps are in the striping is was done today so. 01:08:00
Should be pretty close to complete, so cool. 01:08:06
Great to. 01:08:10
Cool. If there's nothing else, then meeting adjourned. 01:08:11
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That's that is one benefit of the 20 minute commute. 00:00:00
What what this is is looking at an interesting use that would add the ability for folks to have a formal office. 00:00:06
And formal workplace within their their townhome and this is a use that's considered or called a live work unit. 00:00:15
So currently this portion of Pod 1 contains 56 entitled townhomes. 00:00:24
So these are townhomes that are already approved. They've gone through the site plan process. 00:00:31
You know they're they're essentially programmed to be built in one of the next phases. What this amendment would do, it would 00:00:35
allow for the live work units for so placing larger floor to ceiling heights on the on the ground floor to provide some office 00:00:41
space and to allow folks to live above where where they work. Additionally part of this request is to is to bring in some street 00:00:48
parking. 00:00:54
That that would go on really both sides of the street and what we'll do is during the public hearing, we'll we'll send you guys. 00:01:01
The full. 00:01:08
Sorry, I keep saying guys and gals. 00:01:11
Well, we'll send you the full package so you'll be able to see the like all the elements of the site. 00:01:14
But and then also it would provide 2 crossings. 00:01:22
And one of those crossings would have a refuge island in the middle and would have like the the flashing indicators to help warm 00:01:26
traffic. So the idea is to create this street into. 00:01:33
How this is set up is the live work units are oriented around plazas. 00:02:19
So these are outdoor open space, you could call them pocket parks, you can call them outdoor meeting spaces. So the idea is that 00:02:24
they're supposed to be multifunctional. So places where you know people can go out they they can you know grill and then also 00:02:29
providing places for people to. 00:02:35
Have like outdoor meetings and to to enjoy the kind of the fresh air and so that's kind of the overall idea was was providing that 00:02:41
opportunity for folks to be able to to live and and work within within their same unit. 00:02:48
We've seen that this use has become more and more popular. 00:02:57
And Mike will probably share with you kind of his experience with the development that they had in Salt Lake. 00:03:02
Where those the live work units were they're really kind of a hot commodity because a lot of people want that option. We're also 00:03:09
seeing more and more you know people are are just like remote working in general. Will there be 100% from home? 00:03:17
And and also people have, there's a really big demand for for people who have like even just side side gigs that where they have 00:03:25
like they do some accounting on the side they want to have a place where they can have a client com. 00:03:31
So it's a it's a project we're really excited about. It's something that we look at this and we say this is an opportunity for 56 00:03:37
small businesses to start. 00:03:42
In our city and hopefully we can hold on to them and when they when they expand, they move into commercial space. 00:03:47
But this is just a really amazing opportunity because it really does. It provides 56 incubator spaces. 00:03:55
For small businesses that that could be part of a community and the people, the business owners will be living in the community. 00:04:01
And so it kind of provides that that that double ownership having a business in the community and and also living in the community 00:04:07
a few elements too. And I don't want to take all the Thunder from my because he'll run through this, but there is a demand for a 00:04:13
dog run and so up here there there'll be a fairly significant in length dog run where residents can you know throw a ball it'll 00:04:19
be. 00:04:25
They'll be fenced in. We'll have some obstacles for the dogs to play in. There'll be a playground, this area by the tracks. We 00:04:31
know the community gardens have been a really successful thing in the city. Mike has agreed to stub the water and so he'll he'll 00:04:39
he'll pay for the the utility to be run for the water. So when we want to expand our community garden program we can do that and 00:04:46
there's an area where the along the rail tracks that actually won't be on his property, so it'll be run by the city. 00:04:53
But it would provide, you know, plenty of space if we want to expand that program. Additionally, and this plan doesn't quite show 00:05:01
it, but there's parking being added on this area right here as well. That'll be open to the public. So it'll be on site parking 00:05:06
open to the public, so it'll be an easement put in place. 00:05:12
The reason for that is for the office of the community garden once if we can if we decide to expand there, but also there's 00:05:18
there's the trail there and that that trail is going to connect to the university and it's it's you know it's it's kind of planned 00:05:24
to be more and more usable recreational trail you know as time goes down and as the city builds out. So that will be actually a 00:05:29
nice spot for for people to to be able to access the the trail. 00:05:35
So let me. 00:05:41
Show you the black and white. So this gives you a. This is the more updated version but it is kind of the black and white 00:05:43
rendition. You can see the on street parking and then the crosswalks provided. 00:05:50
Noting the dog park up here on the north, parking provided for the public and for just you know general customers coming to to 00:05:57
patron the the businesses there and to point out these won't be like full blown restaurants. 00:06:05
Because those require grease traps, and there's some commercial building code that they would have to meet. 00:06:13
It wouldn't prohibit that. And so if there was interest in doing like a cafe that that could kind of service that that 00:06:19
neighborhood or something small, then they would have to meet that building code. So it would require upgrading. So it doesn't 00:06:25
necessarily stop them from doing that. So if that's something that would really benefit that neighborhood then you know the the 00:06:31
market demands it then. 00:06:36
You know, it might be nice to get kind of a little neighborhood cafe in there. One of the other things too to point out is. 00:06:42
There is a future spot where a small Co working space building can go and so that would be about kind of the idea is potentially 00:06:49
about 5000 square feet. What this building would do is it could provide. 00:06:56
Coworking space for the businesses that that are on site, so that it's a place where they can collaborate. So if you have 00:07:04
businesses that are working on projects together or that need more formal meeting space, then it provides kind of a small building 00:07:09
where where they can do that. 00:07:14
Now that would only come in if the if there was demand for it from the market and so you're not going to see that probably, you 00:07:19
know if that comes it'll be probably several years out, but that they have provided a spot where they wanted to have some 00:07:26
coworking space for for those those tenants they could go there. Another benefit too which I think is really interesting is that. 00:07:34
The residents here will also and you know if they have employees will have access to to the clubhouse. So the clubhouse will be a 00:07:43
shared benefit for everyone in the community and so it just kind of kind of provides that that additional amenity. 00:07:51
You know for that, that for pod one and those that live and. 00:08:00
Yeah, so this is a work session. Mike Olson is here. If Mike, I don't know if they'll probably have a few questions if you want to 00:08:05
come up to the podium. 00:08:09
That that is everything for me and I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:08:14
Thanks. 00:08:18
Good evening. I know a few of you. I have been here now for 13 years. 00:08:22
Started in 2010. 00:08:28
When we started here, there were 391 residents in December of 2011. 00:08:30
We, I'd like to say we've been part of the growth, but we've been around for a while. So give you a little bit of idea on how this 00:08:38
came up. 00:08:42
West Valley, Kern, Salt Lake. 00:08:48
Umm. 00:08:51
Came to me and said, you know we've got a number. 00:08:52
Residents of our city who, because of COVID, have moved their businesses into their homes. 00:08:56
Single moms, Pacific Islanders. 00:09:02
They were doing nails. They were doing. 00:09:07
They're trying to bake cookies. 00:09:10
They were doing everything they could. 00:09:12
You know. 00:09:17
So that their families could survive. 00:09:18
West Valley Kerns kind of left them alone through code enforcement because they realized. 00:09:22
If they shut them down, how's the family going to survive? 00:09:30
So we've literally been working on this plan now. And then I talked to Morgan and some of the city. 00:09:35
People about it and I thought if it works, you know, if they're having problems. 00:09:42
Kearns, West Valley, Salt Lake County. The same thing has to be happening in Vineyard with people that. 00:09:48
Whose businesses got shut down? Who started to work at home? So. 00:09:53
We're probably about the same stage. We'll break ground in the current West Valley, Salt Lake County area probably within, you 00:09:59
know, four to six months. 00:10:04
This one is about 3:00 to 4:00. 00:10:09
Ahead of that one. 00:10:12
So I started to work with our architects think Architecture to come up with the idea what would happen. 00:10:14
If you took the main floor and had. 00:10:20
Commercial zoning. 00:10:23
And put a residential zone on the second, the third. 00:10:25
And then so that kind of evolved into, OK, So what do you allow, what don't you allow? 00:10:29
If you limit a. 00:10:35
Commercial hood meaning exhaust to. 00:10:39
That limits what can be cooked and if I eliminate if I rest. 00:10:42
No deep fry. 00:10:46
That gives me another level of. 00:10:48
I'm not going to be. 00:10:52
Creating restaurants. 00:10:54
So we put together a list about six months ago with the help of the city attorney on. 00:10:57
Like. 00:11:03
Uses would be allowed. You know, everything from office use to an accounting office to somebody who wants to bake cookies to 00:11:04
whatever. 00:11:08
And. 00:11:13
Kind of the background of how it create, we got started on this. 00:11:14
My original development agreement that was recorded in 2011 allowed me 288 units on this site with 56 on this specific site. 00:11:19
And. 00:11:31
We have gone back and I have added which you'll see in the public hearing. I've added 167 parking spaces in pod One. 00:11:32
We did that by moving the curb and gutter back, moving buildings around so that I could maximize parking everywhere. 00:11:42
Then we got into. 00:11:50
Is there an area for a community garden so I can get a community garden access through our property? 00:11:52
Onto property that's owned by the city and you could access it along the trail. 00:12:01
Then we got in, Well, do you have room for a dog park? So. 00:12:07
These things have evolved literally over probably the last year and I feel like. 00:12:10
We've done everything we could to maximize the efficiency of the units and. 00:12:16
Efficiency of pod. 00:12:23
Any questions? 00:12:28
Cool. Yeah. Any questions from? Yeah. OK. So I know we don't have like a landscaping. 00:12:30
Really. Pointed out on this map yet, but with the dog park and no residents would prefer one. 00:12:37
That's shaded, probably all the ones I've seen so far. 00:12:43
A bunch of gravel with a little patch of grass. 00:12:48
It's not amenable to most dogs. 00:12:52
You're familiar with dogs. Some people are just putting that out there. This plan shows a line of trees, so maybe we can look at 00:12:55
the previous plan pre parking. 00:13:00
Added shows the trees. I'm wondering if that's going to be carried over. 00:13:07
Perfect. 00:13:13
I am pretty excited that. 00:13:14
My ask for the continuation of City Gardens in this area. 00:13:18
Is being taken seriously. 00:13:23
I think it would be great. 00:13:25
Residents on this side of. 00:13:28
And then also throughout other parts to have that option as well. 00:13:31
So in just a just a comment in regards to the garden area, the garden area is approximately 21 feet wide. 00:13:34
By 460 feet in. 00:13:43
We have parking will supply water because I can take water off of. 00:13:48
The project water that we bring in and then there will be a meter there that will be the cities. 00:13:54
So in regards to a dog park. 00:13:59
In our business, we find that we deal more with dogs now than we deal with children. 00:14:03
I mean. 00:14:10
And so the projects of ours that are finished, that are operating, 35 to 40% of the residents have dogs. 00:14:11
And it's an. 00:14:20
Every. 00:14:25
You know they eat the siding off the side of the building too. 00:14:26
The damage, the grass etc. So we isolated the dog park on the North End there. 00:14:32
We've tried everything from artificial grass to real grass to crushed granite to. 00:14:38
And I think we're almost there. We've almost figured out how to do it. 00:14:45
Because once they go on the gravel then you have to be able to get. 00:14:50
The urine and the. 00:14:54
Washed. 00:14:56
I'm not saying we're experts on dogs yet, but we're getting there. 00:14:59
Yeah, I think the key point is it's not hot for the dogs to walk on. 00:15:04
Enjoy their time there. 00:15:10
Anyway, but I think that that. 00:15:13
It's a great location for it. 00:15:15
In here, that's all I had. 00:15:19
Any other quest? 00:15:21
Yeah, I've got some questions. So as far as ownership here. 00:15:22
How does that work? What would someone buy the unit and they'd they'd own the townhome and the commercial space. There's the 00:15:29
commercial space being owned by you and just leased out. We're gonna lease it out. So all the commercial space will be owned by 00:15:34
our deal with the city, and our development agreement is that whoever lives in the unit. 00:15:40
Occupies the commercial space I don't want to deal. 00:15:45
Somebody who leases out the main. 00:15:49
You know and. 00:15:52
Something Oh, interesting. 00:15:54
Only like if I own the unit he wouldn't be in the commercial space. No, it could only be the owner and that goes to issues that we 00:15:58
started thinking about with your city attorney and how codes and stuff work and so that's what will be in the in the development. 00:16:05
So businesses go out of business sometimes as well or people career pivot So if I lived there and decided to no longer. 00:16:12
Run a business out of it? Would it just sit vacant? Or you could take the flex space and convert it into a family room and a 00:16:20
bedroom because the bathroom's already there, but they would continue leasing that space from you in addition to their ownership. 00:16:24
Interesting. 00:16:29
So we've looked at sales and leases and we think that we'll probably on this one will well even the one in Kearns West Valley will 00:16:35
lease the units. 00:16:39
We look at like you, you know, maybe UVU, BYU students that want to start a business. 00:16:45
I'm never renting. 00:16:52
And. 00:16:54
The opportunity to come here and put their business in their home. So timing wise we start say maybe in December this year. I 00:16:55
probably won't have units ready in there until. 00:17:01
Probably sometime second, third quarter of 2025, about 18 months from the time I break ground on the site before I have units 00:17:08
ready. And then along the similar line, if an investor, I mean there's lots of investors that buy these that would plan to rent 00:17:14
them out. We don't sell to investors. 00:17:20
And how do you? 00:17:26
They only lease them. We maintain ownership. We don't sell to investors for the commercial for any of it. 00:17:29
So from what I understand the commercial and the residential are tied together, it's 11 lease for one lease OK. I so these are not 00:17:35
owner occupied there, everything is being rented, OK that's what I was misunderstanding. OK, I was under. 00:17:41
Do these units? 00:17:49
Yeah. That was going to be my next question is the parking. Yeah. 00:17:52
So our development agreement, the original development agreement back in 2011, I can't build anything that doesn't have a minimum 00:17:55
of. 00:17:59
Cover 2 garages, so most of the units have two garages. I do have a thin unit and I build garages. 00:18:04
Kind of in the back and their standalones, but everybody has assigned 2 car garage with each unit. 00:18:12
Got. 00:18:19
So yeah, that was going to be my other question, just how this is parked. So take away all of the. 00:18:20
All this parking. 00:18:28
The residential parking is baked into those already, and then all the additional parking would be more for that commercial use, 00:18:30
but residents could park there as well, right? OK. 00:18:36
And that will all be man. 00:18:42
At least what we've got in the development agreement now is all of the parking will be managed in Pod One will be managed by the 00:18:44
HOA. 00:18:48
And we talked about both sides of the street, we'll have parking and so I don't know if you have that that exhibit, maybe we can 00:18:51
have that. I think we might have that the paper form, but we could have that as part of the packet for the, the public hearing. 00:18:59
But you'll have you know both sides. So it's actually called quite a bit like the question I have for city on that is. 00:19:06
We're using park strip and right of way. 00:19:14
For. 00:19:18
Umm. 00:19:21
You could probably debate whether that's a good thing, a bad thing, right? Some some might like it, some might not. 00:19:22
But you're going to get the. 00:19:27
Why are we doing that on this project and not others? Are we going to ditch park strips? 00:19:30
In other parts of the city to add additional parking and this may not be for you to answer necessarily, but I think every all know 00:19:35
that like if someone sees this and it looks like. 00:19:40
And the. 00:19:44
Parking for a development here but not here. Maybe you could comment on that. Yeah, standpoint I believe with this one. 00:19:46
Let's see our we'd have, we'd have to look at the width I think we're going to try to keep. 00:19:55
Like street trees where we can. 00:20:01
Umm. 00:20:04
Yeah, we may need to dig into that. And I'm paying. 00:20:05
Yeah. 00:20:08
So I'm part on my property in part on the right. 00:20:09
And all the improvements I pay for cities not paying for. 00:20:14
And going back to 2011? 00:20:18
2010. 00:20:21
With the planners that we're here. 00:20:23
I mean, and I don't, I'm not saying that we're now correcting things. 00:20:25
But by putting the parking the way that we're doing there and. 00:20:30
Access for the public, that slows the traffic. 00:20:35
Yep. No. So I'm not fighting for or against this necessarily. I'm just saying. But I'm telling you, it's what you open up like 00:20:39
someone, another developer that already has something that's established. If they came to the city and said, hey, can we tear out 00:20:43
the park strip and put in parking here? 00:20:48
Would the city say yes, No. You know, if they were going to fund it. So I'm just saying like once people see this, they might 00:20:53
think let's do it in other areas. Some might love that idea, some might not. We did the same thing on 3rd West. 00:20:58
Yeah, both that additional parking, we put that in, we pay for it, Yeah, with the idea that as those red, those Pod 6, Pod 7 fills 00:21:05
in. 00:21:09
You're going to have people that are going to use that trail system down there along the lake. 00:21:14
Started to think about a lot of it was Naseem. 00:21:20
And Morgan, that said, what could we do down there to? 00:21:23
You know, parking. And so I think it's going to work. 00:21:27
Yeah. And Mike maybe something we can work on before the next meeting is if there's not room for the traditional park strip doing 00:21:31
like the the property side trees because those are pretty nice. So instead of having the tree separating you from like traffic, 00:21:37
here you have the the parking stall that creates the buffer for the pedestrian. But maybe on the property side we we we try to get 00:21:43
some trees. So you still get some of the canopy. 00:21:49
No. 00:21:57
I guess an additional question with the parking, would this be have the same limits that it does on 300 W where it's no overnight 00:21:59
parking? 00:22:02
Correct. 00:22:06
You go ahead. 00:22:09
On these. 00:22:13
Is there like room that you could add? 00:22:15
Like simple auto care or something like if they have garages people could pull in a car and like. 00:22:17
Take care of some minor maintenance and so we've talked about it. We won't allow any mechanical. 00:22:23
Any mechanics or oil changes or anything like that? 00:22:28
Mostly because I don't want the environmental. 00:22:33
If somebody was to spill something and I have to clean it up. 00:22:36
We took that off. 00:22:40
You know, yeah, we thought about kind of the noise too, because if you are, if you do have someone living. 00:22:42
Like right next to where the garage, it is a good kind of idea where you could provide kind of a neighborhood like auto service 00:22:46
for people but just with the air guns and whatnot like, you know I could somebody with that size garage is going to have an air 00:22:53
gun or everybody goes for like little battery Milwaukee nowadays but. 00:22:59
Did you have any questions, Chris? Yeah, I'm just, I'm looking at the county parcel map. So is this all being done? 00:23:11
On the existing pod one or is there some of that Vineyard City land that some of the road and parking stuff is going to be on that 00:23:17
as well? Yeah, so just the street. There was a swap that still needs to occur. We worked with Mikey team when we did the overpass 00:23:23
and I wasn't. 00:23:29
I think it was Don Overson who kind of managed that project, but I didn't see my note. But there, well, there was, there was an 00:23:36
exchange so that we got the land for the overpass, you got the land for the overpass and you got the land for a new Vineyard Rd. 00:23:41
at no cost. 00:23:46
And then I got anything that was leftover after you were done building the bridge. So let's present it here is taking into account 00:23:51
that's yeah. So we still we still need to make picking up about 1.08 acres from the city on the exchange for when we built the new 00:23:56
Vineyard Rd. 00:24:02
And you guys got that for free and that goes back to. 00:24:08
An agreement that we had with the city, it's either dated 2016 or 2017. 00:24:12
Do you have any other questions? 00:24:20
I don't necessarily have a question, it's more just the concern of the amount of on street parking there. I mean I this last week 00:24:22
and you get Friday, Saturday is really busy with. 00:24:27
And then I went up. I usually go up that street every weekend and we had a bunch of bikers on the streets. We had cars going both 00:24:32
way. We had some cars pulled off into the like that little dog park area there. So I'm imagining all these cars pulled in at 00:24:38
angles wanting to back up now and it's going to quickly on weekends become a pretty busy street at times with with people at a 00:24:44
standstill. I think we're at 40 miles an hour, aren't we in the scene on that road now? 00:24:51
That's a 25 mile per hour St. currently. They just changed it, yeah, yeah. 00:24:59
Sorry, Yeah, Vineyard. 00:25:04
South Vineyard Grove, which is what's called right there, that's 25 miles an hour along our section. 00:25:09
On one side it goes up to 30 miles an hour. We're going to work with the one to reduce that down so when people are coming from. 00:25:15
Into Vineyard. That's 25 miles an hour. 00:25:22
But also with the with doing the crosswalks kind of deliberately, kind of at the throat of the of the area. 00:25:24
With the flashers and so forth, should be would allow us to be able. 00:25:32
Keep those speed limits low. 00:25:37
With this, as we are building on this, we're going to take a pointed. 00:25:40
To see how. 00:25:44
Interactions are and possibly even lower it down to maybe 20 miles an hour in order to ensure that. 00:25:47
Their cross connect. 00:25:53
Stay safe for pedestrians. 00:25:55
And what So what the process is for this. So what the development agreement does is it approves kind of like the elements as part 00:26:07
of the agreement and then what we would do a site plan. So Mike and he has those essentially ready, he'd come in for a site plan 00:26:13
and then we would look at the street, we would look at the, the, the site. 00:26:19
And so there would be like a formal site plan and then at that time too we could we could to do a deeper dive into the into the 00:26:26
street. But there's there's lots of ways I mean with the with the on street parking that helps to slow traffic. There's areas 00:26:32
potentially where you might you know if you do like a refuge island creating some of those those pinch points creates more of like 00:26:38
a walking feel and there's and there's things with like surface material and there's there's quite a few things. 00:26:45
That we could do. One of the things that Nasim requested as well was that as a pedestrian goes into the crosswalk that there's a 00:26:52
light, an overhead light that actually lights up the crosswalk itself. 00:26:57
And so that's so it's not just like the flashing indicators, but it's a light that would provide an illumination to the actual 00:27:03
crossing. So you know, if it's not you would see someone walking across. So there's quite a bit we we could do to this section to 00:27:08
make it more of a kind of a slower easier crossing St. Cool. 00:27:14
Yeah, and Nissim's saying we're getting those for the other crosswalks as well. So very cool. 00:27:22
Cool. I had a question, I guess, about the other park that's kind of. 00:27:27
Being used as a dog park. Are their intentions to keep that being used as a dog park or hope that everybody starts to use this new 00:27:32
area? 00:27:35
I could. So we so we're actually going to push that back to the HOA. So right now it's a, it's a City Park, but it actually 00:27:40
functions more like an like an HOA park and then. 00:27:46
Like like Mike discussed before. 00:27:53
You know dogs are pretty big issue, so that would allow the HOA then to enforce like the like the no dog off leash rules and. 00:27:55
After your dog? Yeah, it's a mess. Yeah, you know. 00:28:04
Especially in a detention pond. Yeah, exactly. 00:28:08
OK. 00:28:12
Um. 00:28:13
How, how big is that area for that proposed, I guess, dog park? 00:28:14
You know how big that is? 00:28:20
6644 square feet. It's 21 feet by 316 in length, 21 by 316. 00:28:26
OK. 00:28:35
Umm. 00:28:37
And then as far as um. 00:28:38
We're not trying to do any kind of asphalt trail connections through this area at all, are we? I have a trail as part of my 00:28:42
original development agreement that goes along the base of the. 00:28:48
Feel for the bridge. 00:28:54
So I pick up the sidewalk on center. 00:28:56
Where the sidewalk ends. And then I tie a asphalt trail to that sidewalk. Perfect. And that sidewalk goes all along the base of 00:29:00
the fill. 00:29:05
And it goes all the way to the trail. 00:29:10
That parallels the track. 00:29:13
Awesome. That's great. 00:29:16
And then I know that this is going to be asked by the public, so I might as well ask it myself as far as. 00:29:21
Selling any of these units, is that a possibility to sell some or is leasing like? 00:29:27
At this point, we'd probably. 00:29:33
OK. 00:29:36
I don't. I don't env. 00:29:37
That these units would ever be sold. 00:29:39
Because, because. 00:29:42
As. 00:29:44
We're seeing more and more of this as like mostly leased units. I know that there were a lot of residents that were kind of 00:29:45
disappointed that the rest of the units in the area were being leased. 00:29:50
And we want people to feel connected to the community in such a way that they feel like they. 00:29:55
Invest in the community by purchasing a unit. 00:30:01
I'd love to. 00:30:06
Some kind of push towards something like that? 00:30:08
Especially with these small business ones where someone could purchase it and. 00:30:12
Continue their business here would be. 00:30:17
Uh. 00:30:21
Mike, it'll be plaited so that you guys could if you if you change your mind. 00:30:22
The biggest reason you're seeing so much of this now with least townhomes? 00:30:28
Is because of building. 00:30:33
I mean, I've got units in pod One, for instance. If I wanted to come out on top, I'd have to sell that bigger unit for over 00:30:36
700,000. 00:30:39
For a townhouse you know. 00:30:44
So and we made the decision in you know a few months ago in part one, phase one. 00:30:47
That with our overall. 00:30:53
We're better to lease those and I'm not saying that down the road they wouldn't be resold or be sold, but for right now our plan 00:30:56
is to lease them out. 00:31:00
OK. 00:31:06
And you know in part one, phase one, we're doing one year leases. You know, I don't know how long they'll stay and we have a, you 00:31:08
know another project in Harriman. 00:31:12
With three bedroom units, I mean, I've got people that have been in there now for four. 00:31:18
I think a lot of it depends on what interest rates do. A lot of it depends on, you know what I mean? Costs aren't coming down. 00:31:23
And everybody says that costs are really starting to come. 00:31:32
They're not coming down the only thing that's happening in the. 00:31:36
We've seen a drop in lumber and we've seen somewhat of a drop in concrete, but what's happening is the subcontractors now instead 00:31:39
of saying. 00:31:43
You know, we'll put you on our waiting list. 00:31:47
They're more readily available to come. 00:31:50
But we're not seeing a big drop in costs. 00:31:53
You know. 00:31:56
We track it weekly. It kind of is what? 00:31:58
I don't see, even if the economy gets better, that prices are going to start to drop. 00:32:02
And then the other thing will be. 00:32:09
Parking plan. 00:32:11
With other developments that we've had, parking becomes an issue because. 00:32:14
It's not managed. 00:32:20
So we want to see what your management plan is going to be for this area just so that we don't have residents that move in here 00:32:23
and. 00:32:27
Once the units finally fill, they come to the city and they're like you didn't. 00:32:31
Make there be enough parking here so we want to make sure that it's managed correctly that people know. 00:32:35
Exactly how much parking that they have that they're not using their garages for storage, especially businesses that are could 00:32:40
potentially be using this for just storing their merchandise. 00:32:45
So do you have a management plan already or yeah, so it's our intent to always have an on site manager. 00:32:52
OK. Right now they'll be in one of the units in part one, phase one and then when the clubhouse is done, there will be two offices 00:32:59
inside the clubhouse and we will always have it staffed. 00:33:04
OK. 00:33:09
And that. 00:33:09
I mean a lot of it is that's the way we do it. I mean whether it be Harriman or anywhere else, we deal with parking issues all the 00:33:11
time and. 00:33:15
We. 00:33:19
We'll have a small sticker that they'll put on their back window. 00:33:21
Or front window, we haven't decided but. 00:33:24
If they're there, they get a warning. We find and. 00:33:26
Because nothing hurts a project worse than. 00:33:32
Cars parked everywhere, Yeah. And we, yeah. We just want to make sure that residents, when they lease units, that they're aware 00:33:35
that this is how many cars you're allowed to have. 00:33:40
And there. 00:33:46
And that's it. 00:33:47
Umm. 00:33:50
Are there any other questions? Yeah. Do you have an estimate of what you anticipate these running out for? 00:33:50
If things stay the way they are right now. 00:34:00
Probably between 19122. 00:34:03
How big are these units? 00:34:07
There are between about. 00:34:09
Right around 16 to I think my biggest units, that corner unit, I think it's around 2200. 00:34:11
OK. And that includes the commercial space, that includes the commercial space. How big, how big are you imagining the commercial 00:34:17
space is to be about? 00:34:21
If I include the bathroom with them, they. 00:34:36
300 Square. 00:34:42
Is there any opportunity for low income? 00:34:45
No. 00:34:49
This is probably getting more into site plan territory, but you know most businesses want some sort of signage. 00:34:53
But I don't think it makes sense to have, you know, 56 right lit up signs in a residential area, right? So what's? 00:34:59
What's the thought there as far as you pull into it and you need to find the hair salon or the proper signage at each of the, what 00:35:06
we'll call the Plaza areas that will that we can change if their business changes or whatever. So we'll do that. 00:35:14
On each of the plazas, and I have four of them. 00:35:22
And to keep it uniform to it, we probably could put something in there that like on their actual suite that it's a sign that's no 00:35:26
larger than like like 2 square feet. I think our home occupation code is something similar to that. But so you can't like, yeah, 00:35:33
we'll want to keep an eye on that. Yeah, you want to have could get crazy different things in there. 00:35:40
Do you anticipate mimicking this if it works in some of the other pods? 00:35:48
The only place I could do this is in pod 2. 00:35:53
Which is on the backside of Pod One that ties into the Orem City Park. 00:35:57
That's really because everything else is plotted, I think we. 00:36:02
Just roughly, I think I still have around 300, three, 125 single family. 00:36:06
None of those will be changed. 00:36:11
But in pod. 00:36:13
This could work in pod too and but if I did it I mean I. 00:36:15
Don't hold me to anything. 00:36:19
We've. 00:36:21
Especially because of the number of college students here, we've looked at a micro unit. 00:36:23
Micro unit is another word for a tiny home. 00:36:29
When I say tiny, I'm talking. 00:36:33
You'd probably have somewhere around 5:25 to 550 square feet but a standalone tiny home. They in order to make it work, they'd be 00:36:36
connected, but it would just be a smaller. 00:36:42
Maybe 1 college student. You could probably take the rents down. 00:36:48
1000 to 1200. 00:36:53
But we've looked a little bit about expanding if this works. 00:36:56
As. 00:37:01
Talked about we are planning if it works and if we have enough demand, we could put a 5000 square foot building on one of the 00:37:03
plazas and still have plenty. 00:37:09
Plenty of room. That would be a two-story building, so it wouldn't be any taller. 00:37:16
We've looked. 00:37:20
Podcast. 00:37:23
Conference. 00:37:25
Cubicles. 00:37:27
So. 00:37:29
I'm not aware of anything like this in Utah. That's been done yet. I'm not saying that you couldn't find it, but I'm not aware of 00:37:32
anything. 00:37:35
But I think you'll be surprised at the demand, especially from the college students from BYU and UVU that have. 00:37:39
You know, the idea of being able to create a business in. 00:37:46
So I really like the. 00:37:52
I'm really concerned because I mean I've never seen something like it, but haven't done small businesses like. 00:37:54
Huge benefit there, but. 00:37:59
It's just different. It's very different and and you have no idea how many people are going to, I mean somebody could be really 00:38:01
popular and you're going to get a ton of traffic in there. We have Holdaway Rd. there that's had, you know, their concerns with 00:38:06
with coming and going. We're going to have the other pods built. 00:38:11
It's it's just very different. It's giving me a little concern of do we know what this is going to do traffic wise to that area 00:38:17
so. 00:38:20
And then how many units is it for this entire for the whole development? Again, odd one. I have 200 and 88288. 00:38:28
My map here. I've had this map since I moved to veneer, so I was just curious. It's still accurate. So 288 on the map, so cool. 00:38:39
And going back to the original plan, I had 56 in here. So we're not increasing the density, not increasing. These footprints are 00:38:45
actually a little bit smaller than what I'm currently doing. 00:38:51
On positive, are you going to have that planning connecting and then connecting on Holdaway Road as well? You want the whole 00:38:59
story. I think it's good, like you know how this will kind of interconnect? 00:39:03
Traffic wise, my development agreement. 00:39:08
Because going back to 2010, 2011 won't allow it. The two families said no, I'm restricted to have any access on the whole way. 00:39:12
So I have the storm drain sewer water that's on the shoulder of hold away but as it is worded right now I have I cannot have any 00:39:24
access onto all the way. 00:39:29
Do we plan, I mean is that and that's planned? 00:39:39
Development, I mean it's in the development agreement when when they did. 00:39:42
When they bought this land. 00:39:46
All the land pretty much that connects could have potentially connected to Holdaway Rd. They said that they couldn't connect 00:39:49
anywhere. So whether that's the Elms where I live or this development or the single family homes that are going in next to this 00:39:56
development, it doesn't mean the city can't connect if we want if they change that development agreement, OK, So that's going to 00:40:03
stay the way it is. I would say for the foreseeable future. I would guess that it would probably stay the same. 00:40:10
And we've always made our, like our walking trail that'll go along, hold away. It's on our side of the, it's on our property. 00:40:19
It'll eventually tied to the school and then it goes. 00:40:23
South and then connects back over to the City Park. We'll probably do that in the next year, but even that. 00:40:29
I couldn't put it. 00:40:35
Along the side of. 00:40:37
Yeah. 00:40:39
Yep. 00:40:40
Umm. 00:40:43
Did you guys have any other questions or I'm going to let the public come and ask some questions. Sometimes we miss a couple of 00:40:44
things. So you have some questions, Daria. 00:40:48
OK, if you wouldn't mind and I'll write down your questions like normally do and. 00:40:53
Daria Evans, Menu resident. Thank you. 00:41:05
I just have a couple questions I need clarification at the beginning of this agenda tonight, it said under the summary of request. 00:41:08
It's at the community garden. Water stuff was going to be on the West. 00:41:18
And then further down it says it's on the. 00:41:22
So I don't know which is which. It's from what? He explained. It's going to be on the east. It will be on the east, yes, OK, next 00:41:25
to the trail there, The Walking trail that goes under the overpass, Okay. 00:41:30
Sure. I'll have her ask Oliver questions. 00:41:36
I haven't clarified that, just OK and then it says at the beginning of it says 56 town. 00:41:40
And then the legend says 55 units with 50 parking spaces. 00:41:46
So I just want a clarification on that. 00:41:51
And I want. 00:41:55
How much the first floor is increasing? 00:41:57
How height flies and what will the total height of? 00:42:01
Residential unit B. 00:42:04
OK. 00:42:06
And. 00:42:07
I I didn't quite hear him say how large those units. 00:42:10
Will be. I thought he said 1600 to 2000, so I'd like to need that clarified. 00:42:15
And will these units? 00:42:20
Look like the units that are. 00:42:23
To the West, that first unit would be of those townhomes that are already finished. Well, these units look like that. 00:42:27
And if you put if they decide to put in that Co working space. 00:42:35
In that Plaza 2 area, does that mean that they will be taking out that playground? 00:42:40
Right. 00:42:46
And also I am concerned about the on street parking because when I ride my bike down there. 00:42:47
It's a tight Rd. 00:42:54
And I'm on the sidewalk and it's tight and if you have parking there. 00:42:56
And people are going to come. 00:43:02
Yeah. 00:43:04
The way it is situated. So those are my questions. Thank you very much. 00:43:05
Any other public comments? 00:43:10
Go ahead, grade. 00:43:12
Great and Hustler, Vineyard resident. 00:43:17
Thanks Mike for coming out just. 00:43:21
This is an exciting development. I do have a few questions as far as you know management down the road. 00:43:24
56 different. 00:43:32
Bus. 00:43:34
Are going to be created. 00:43:36
You know, how friendly will you? 00:43:39
With working with the city if there. 00:43:42
Certain. 00:43:46
Maybe, Yeah, one business is just super busy and. 00:43:48
20. 00:43:54
At any given. 00:43:56
Or maybe. 00:43:59
10 different businesses that are super busy and some. 00:44:03
Maybe you could just kind of speak on that as far? 00:44:07
Regulation of your. 00:44:11
And the type of. 00:44:15
How you? 00:44:18
What they're doing and what their demand or need is. 00:44:20
And that's kind of. 00:44:26
Concern. Thanks. 00:44:28
Thanks, Gray. 00:44:30
Any other? Yeah, go ahead. 00:44:32
I'm Kristen Crespo, Vineyard resident, so the parking along the road reminds me a lot of Provo Center St. because they were parked 00:44:37
there. It's so hard to get out once you're parked. I hate backing out because, like sometimes they'll be a big truck beside me and 00:44:44
I cannot see until I am, like, basically in the road. 00:44:52
That's scary, That parking and just being able to back out and not hit another car or someone coming along, and also someone's 00:44:59
backing out and already in the road and you're like slamming on your brakes. 00:45:04
So that's concerning for that parking along the street. 00:45:10
That was my biggest thing. So thanks. Awesome. Thank you. 00:45:16
Any other public comments? 00:45:21
Could I have you stand back up Mike and I could just I could just a couple of those. Oh sure. So as far as the parking goes that 00:45:25
that that's definitely something that's concerned. We do have Ave. consultants who is a are are and and Hales Engineering they're 00:45:31
both traffic consultants that we have in retainer. And so when we do the site plan we'll have them look at that and and look at 00:45:38
how how do you make it safe because there are ways that you can make parking on on St. safer. 00:45:44
7A Deeper stall and. 00:45:55
Right. 00:46:02
Right. And there's other options that's a, this is a pull in angle there. There's another that's a reverse back end angle where 00:46:05
instead of pulling in you drive past it and and then you back in and those. Yeah and those those are a lot safer for for pulling 00:46:12
out and we are testing that in the the Promenade in downtown to see see how it functions. It's so it's kind of people get kind of 00:46:20
annoyed with having to to back in but then it makes it a lot safer for pulling out because your eyes are looking forward. 00:46:28
Absolutely. So we would have our our consultant look at that and help us with with kind of designing that. 00:46:43
The as far as the the height of the overall building, they're constrained to 35 feet that that's our standard for. 00:46:51
You know, townhomes and and just single family homes. Mike you you might be able to address that. I like how hard. 00:46:58
And then the ground floor too. 00:47:06
Do you know what the ground floor is going to be? 00:47:09
And the size? He did say 1600 to 2200. 00:47:17
With the commercial space being about 300 square feet. 00:47:23
And then the garden area you wanted to clarify. 00:47:28
The. 00:47:32
You can you can point on that one over there if you want. 00:47:35
On our development plans, I have the water. Water. 00:47:38
And then Mike, architecturally, I know you have kind of the paper drawings and so if you would. 00:47:50
Would you? 00:47:55
Yeah. But maybe for this, could you just, could they. Oh, you do. Yeah. Yeah. It's more of a storefront. OK, great. And then with 00:47:57
the 56 townhomes, is it going to be 56 townhomes and 56 parking spaces? 00:48:03
For 56 times. 00:48:10
Times. 00:48:12
OK. 00:48:15
Parking spaces within a. 00:48:17
Within a garage. 00:48:19
I mean those. 00:48:22
They're all in the backside. 00:48:24
Going back to our development agreement. 00:48:27
There was, I think this is an what's called an alley. 00:48:32
Yeah. 00:48:35
So on the back sides of all of those will either have A1 car garage or A2 car garage. If they have a one car garage, then I'm 00:48:38
building I'm building an additional garage so that everybody has. 00:48:43
Is there any visitor spaces? I believe right, Yeah, here and these end caps. 00:48:52
Is there any visitor parking beyond that? 00:48:58
Yes. 00:49:00
So. 00:49:01
Look. 00:49:02
I have. 00:49:09
So go. 00:49:11
So along the trail. 00:49:13
Said 18 or 20. That's 1818. Yep, and I have visitor parking up there of an additional 15. 00:49:16
Now. 00:49:24
And then I have the parking in the front, so. 00:49:30
Visitor parking on site, I have 18 and 15, so 33 and then maybe for the the next meeting we showed the overall pod one because 00:49:32
Mike is adding additional parking throughout the development that won't necessarily serve like the commerce, but but it's 00:49:39
providing more capacity and I don't know if you know that number. Yeah, so there's there's quite a bit of parking that's going to 00:49:45
be added just in the development. 00:49:51
Plan of Pod One. On the development agreement, I've added an additional 167 parking spaces to Odd One. Cool. 00:49:58
All right. 00:50:07
And then as far as the looks of the buildings, are they going to look similar to the other buildings that have currently been 00:50:08
built or no, OK. 00:50:13
Uh. 00:50:19
As far as like the standards, is that going to be Mike, if you haven't even hold it up just so they can see it and we'll have it 00:50:20
in the packet, OK? 00:50:24
OK, well, they're not too different. 00:50:31
They're three stories, so they're taller, yeah. 00:50:34
No. 00:50:42
All. 00:50:44
Cool. And we can get these entered in for the public hearing, yeah. 00:50:45
Cool. 00:50:52
Is there going to be a prevention on subletting? So somebody rents a unit and then they're like, oh, I'm going to rent out just 00:50:56
that commercial space, OK. Yeah, in regards to the commercial. 00:51:01
What our development agreement? 00:51:06
Anybody. 00:51:10
Floor has to get a conditional use from the. 00:51:13
And. 00:51:16
So. 00:51:19
Between ourselves on the management side and the city on the permitting side and licensing side. 00:51:19
Yeah. 00:51:28
Protect. 00:51:30
Who? 00:51:32
I asked that because I think are we going to have a long line of people there? And then I mean because right up the street we have 00:52:07
Starbucks and you know in the morning it gets busy and I can see the outdoor Plaza areas too. That's something Mike and I've 00:52:13
talked about that if if there is like a demand for like a little coffee shop, we you know that that's the space that could be 00:52:19
programmed to have more outdoor dining as well. 00:52:25
OK. And then if that building is built in Plaza? 00:52:33
Is that positive too right? 00:52:39
Does that get rid of the playground that's there or? 00:52:41
OK. 00:52:45
The color map I showed was was was an earlier rendition that was only colored one I had at the time, OK. So we'll have, we'll have 00:52:47
everything updated. So the I I believe that's that'll just be outdoor space, OK. That would just be like a Plaza. 00:52:54
OK. And the playground would be in the Upper West northwest corner if this was the older? 00:53:03
Map and so yeah, I was just trying to give you some of the context a little bit more visual. So this will be updated to reflect 00:53:12
this map here. 00:53:16
And then as far as biking, one thing was the trail connection is going to be going through there, so. 00:53:25
That trail will go along the whole Northside of this. 00:53:32
And connect to the trail, so if somebody's coming pretty much anywhere. 00:53:35
The northern side, they would just take that trail and Justice avoid that road altogether because currently you'd have to go to 00:53:41
the other side of the road and then go under the underpass. So I think that that will take a lot of traffic. 00:53:47
A lot of bicycle traffic off the road, except for the bicyclists that are probably already going close to 25 miles an hour. 00:53:54
Um. 00:54:01
Yeah, it's not me. 00:54:03
And then as far as if there is a is a business. 00:54:06
In demand they they're trending like is there something like? 00:54:10
Is there anything you plan on having in place as far as managing something that's getting too much traffic or? 00:54:17
Agreement. But I can't. 00:54:26
Yeah, it's 300 square feet. 00:54:28
If you had a coffee shop there or small bakery, you might have. 00:54:33
OK. 00:54:47
Whatever it is they're picking up, they'll go out and sit. 00:54:48
OK. 00:54:51
I'm not. I mean, going back to our list. 00:54:52
Morgan I can't think of any. 00:54:55
Yeah, really the idea and one thing that I would say kind of been that would be a benefit for the rental. I get that the ownership 00:55:02
is great. You know it's someone's like is buying space, they can be there long term. But with the the rental model from an 00:55:09
economic development standpoint what what we see it as as as incubator space that this is a place where you have people can start 00:55:15
businesses then as they expand. 00:55:21
Hopefully we do our. 00:55:27
And retain them in the city, but they they move to like a, you know, one of the larger like office buildings like in the downtown 00:55:29
or in the forge around the movie theater that there's you know, that that's our hope is that this is a way for us to grow. 00:55:36
Like the small grassroots businesses into larger businesses that can stay in Vineyard, not all of them will, but that's that's 00:55:44
kind of the hope. 00:55:48
OK. 00:55:53
Did I cover everything? Daria, you have another question. OK, Yeah, come ahead. Yeah, you gotta. 00:55:55
If someone leases it and. 00:56:05
Starts a. 00:56:07
And it said it's not a go. 00:56:09
Would they still have to pay the city? 00:56:16
Yeah. 00:56:21
The whole lease. 00:56:24
Yeah. So essentially these are. 00:56:26
The other way to view this is these are all just normal single family dwellings. They're all, and. 00:56:30
Allowing it so that they can have a storefront, like it would be like a house, like if I decided to run a business out of my 00:56:38
house, which I actually do. 00:56:41
Than. 00:56:46
It's just allowing. 00:56:48
Different types of uses where people can walk up or there can actually be car traffic and stuff like that, so. 00:56:50
So the the commercial and the residential space, are there one in the same? 00:56:58
And that's another one of the kind of the benefits from like a small business standpoint is you're combining kind of the amount 00:57:04
they would because typically if you go and just rent commercial space that's going to be fairly expensive and then a unit is going 00:57:10
to be fairly expensive to rent for living. But if you combine them, it gives you kind of the benefit of of you know the cost 00:57:16
savings of of of using that space in a dual purpose. 00:57:21
Were there any other questions from the public? 00:57:31
All right. I think we've addressed everything. Did you guys have any other questions? 00:57:33
Did you guys have any other? 00:57:38
I did want to just note you mentioned Provo Provo center. 00:57:40
Not that people drive this, but uh. 00:57:44
The speed limit is 15 miles an hour. 00:57:47
It's the first article that popped up when I googled what is Provo Center St. It said it's 15 miles an hour, but studies have 00:57:52
shown it's 35 is what that is actually driven. 00:57:56
Anyway, yeah, I think you bring up a good point. You know, if there's ever places that feel unsafe or haven't worked the way that 00:58:02
you'd think, like we. 00:58:06
Design these properly so that it functions the way that we hope for. Now installed the speed tables. 00:58:10
Near where the City Hall is. And So what they're trying to do is catch people as they enter that zone. So the speed table kind of 00:58:17
helps sets the the tone they're they're still going to go faster than 15, but they're doing that turn could be. 00:58:24
Scary. 00:58:33
And this is a question I guess for staff, if you guys even know, Does Orem have any plans for making that intersection better on 00:58:36
400 S and? 00:58:40
Yeah, I think, I think there are plans in the works they've they've said that they they're working on it and Nasim is also working 00:58:48
with. 00:58:53
With our staff and with Orem to try to look at options there. 00:58:58
Yeah, I think the idea is cool. I, of course am a strong proponent for at home businesses like. 00:59:08
Like I said. 00:59:15
But. 00:59:17
Yeah, if you can bring anything as far as management plan on? 00:59:19
How you're planning on managing it, how you're planning on informing residents of their parking, That would be helpful. 00:59:23
And then? 00:59:29
Yeah. 00:59:32
Yeah. Besides that, I think everything looks good. We'll have our. 00:59:34
One just popped into my head. Where's the pedestrian island or pedestrian refuge? 00:59:38
You said might be on this for the crossing, I believe. Yeah, Naseem stepped out. I don't know if you if you know this one. Yeah, I 00:59:43
don't think you're in that meeting. I believe in Mike, you probably know, but I believe Nasim wanted it here because that accesses 00:59:49
the clubhouse And so you're gonna see the most traffic with at least the internal residents crossing back and forth from the 00:59:55
clubhouse, which would be the kind of the hub on the South side and then to the live work units. 01:00:01
All right. Thank you so much. Thanks, Mike. See you in a couple of weeks. Yeah, Good to see you too. 01:00:10
All right. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure, did anybody have anything to report or 01:00:15
disclose? I've got a couple of things. One, I'll also bring this up to the bike Commission, but I was at a conference for work, a 01:00:21
sustainability conference in Boston earlier this week. 01:00:27
And they had a whole lot of good information about. 01:00:34
It was mostly geared toward higher education, but campuses are essentially just little cities, Walkable cities. 01:00:37
I mean I I don't know what the I don't know if there's a penalty or anything but we're under state code we're told they to get 4 01:01:15
hours and we we we can also send out just some like videos and and things to to educate you and maybe we'll. 01:01:21
Another training before the end of the year, but yeah, we definitely got to try to get at least two more and I think you all will 01:01:27
be covered. 01:01:31
So and so you Anthony you you can count that, you know if it's anything related to planning, you know it can be sustainability, it 01:01:35
can be traffic and urban design whatnot, economic development, any of that could count, so great. 01:01:44
One other thing I had. 01:01:52
Probably heightened awareness of this just because of elections going on and people going back and figuring out like what was 01:01:54
said, what was planned and when. 01:01:57
I've had a couple of residents. 01:02:02
Why? The recordings are not posted for all of the Planning Commission, so it might be good to just do. 01:02:05
A quick audit. I'm looking online here and it looks like there's. 01:02:11
From March that don't have the actual audio and video recording. 01:02:15
We've been pretty good. 01:02:20
Having the minutes uploaded up until July and then I think we even though we've approved some, just getting those uploaded. 01:02:22
And that's at the request of, so yeah. 01:02:29
Keep it up today as quickly as possible because a lot of people can't come to these and they don't want to wait months to find out 01:02:32
what happened. Rachel is she, she's getting that that that'll upload it. So I'll talk with her. Pam. Pam has already met with us 01:02:36
on that. 01:02:41
Thank you. 01:02:45
Anything else? Yeah. 01:02:47
3 residents hit me up about a skate park. Does anybody have any idea on where that is or when it's going in? We're all three of 01:02:50
them, Bryce. 01:02:53
No, not one of them. So I guess more than Chris wants it as part of the Central Corridor open space plan, there was a spot that 01:02:59
was designated here on the City Hall lot. We are looking at the fire station. So if this lot is chosen as the fire station. 01:03:07
If there's room, we'll still do it, but if not then we would look at another spot. We are having a BYU class. 01:03:17
If you remember Jeff Knighton, that he was the chair of the commissioner for a while. Really great architect. He's teaching a 01:03:24
class. 01:03:26
So he they're looking at, they're doing like a design studio on what a Community Center could look for Vineyard. And they'll 01:03:29
they'll actually come in and do a presentation but just some really cool concepts and some of them are actually proposing like 01:03:36
that might be a good alternative in that area near the Community Center, same person actually asked me also about a mountain bike 01:03:42
thing about the green space. Yeah, so up north. 01:03:48
So the teardrop of downtown, it's like kind of teardrop shape, it's called Geneva Park that in the zoning that that's kind of 01:03:56
designated as open space. There are some big mounds there that have to be kept in place because that it that's the area where the 01:04:02
less like toxic material. 01:04:08
What was capped the place you can't eat the dirt don't don't eat the dirt but but but it's capped it's safe but that's an area 01:04:14
because they have to be hills anyway that we've actually been looking at doing like either a city mountain bike park and we've 01:04:22
also had like an adventure type business that does like climbing mountain biking rafting and and they they've been interested in 01:04:29
that too. So there's definitely a lot of interest but we haven't like necessarily designated a spot. 01:04:36
In the Central Corridor area, there's kind of the more I guess. 01:04:44
Grassroots type, you know, where like, the kids made like a small mountain bike. 01:04:49
That's actually pretty fun. I I took my bike on it good good berms and stuff. But that that's an area in the plan where the city 01:04:53
is designated putting additional resources. So not not to wipe out what the kids have done, but you know maybe making it a little 01:05:00
bit better at adding some some little rats. But it would be a small area right there. But if we do, if we do a big one, it would 01:05:06
be up, up north, north part of the city. 01:05:12
Perfect. There's also plans to do one on the beachfront somewhere at some point, right? Yeah, there's a few few areas we've looked 01:05:19
at. 01:05:23
Yep. 01:05:27
It's so nice to hear that not coming from me like. 01:05:28
Like to hear that? 01:05:32
Yeah. 01:05:35
Cool. Anything from staff? Yeah, really quick from planning. We recently held our stakeholder interviews with the economic develop 01:05:38
for the economic development strategic plan. Bryce was was interviewed as being a local business owner. So did that go well, I 01:05:45
don't think. 01:05:52
For like an hour. An hour, Yeah, they talked to me for a while. Yeah, they loved you. But they, they interviewed a lot of 01:05:59
businesses throughout the community, the stakeholders like UVU, U dot, mag, all those folks. 01:06:05
For for degrees that that could help you know fill jobs in those in that sector but kind of doing that all all together in one 01:06:49
area. So kind of the area where UVU is at now kind of the north side of that looking at doing a larger kind of medical village 01:06:56
where potentially you could have all those uses together and even provide like on site housing for for for doctors and for even 01:07:04
like for long term patients that have visitors that come so kind of creating. 01:07:11
A village concept. 01:07:19
Working with Leland Consultants, that's the economic development group and also Sasaki Urban Design is the group that's kind of 01:07:21
master planning the area with us. So anyway it's kind of a neat concept but it's got a lot of traction. 01:07:28
And with Huntsman coming, it's really kind of helped make it more of a reality so. 01:07:37
Anyway, I think medical is a great sector for the city to go after, yeah. 01:07:44
I'll report as well that we put in place that pedestrian refuge on 600 N and Main St. 01:07:52
So that the concrete's in the ramps are in the striping is was done today so. 01:08:00
Should be pretty close to complete, so cool. 01:08:06
Great to. 01:08:10
Cool. If there's nothing else, then meeting adjourned. 01:08:11