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1. Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance   Commissioner Ostler lead the meeting in the pledge of allegiance at01pm.
2. Public Comments   There were no public comments.
3.  Consent Items  1. Approval of December23, Joint Session and Regular Planning Commission Meeting Minutes.  2. Approval of the January,24, Planning Commission Meeting Minutes.  3. Approval of February24 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
MOTION: VICE-CHAIR BRADY MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED AT02pm. COMMISSIONER FAGG SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR TAY GUDMUNDSON, VICE-CHAIR BRYCE BRADY, BRAD FAGG, GRADEN OSTLER, AND NATHAN STEELE VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
4.Business Items
4.1.  PUBLIC HEARING - General Plan Update - GoalTechnology Element
Community Development Director Morgan Brim introduced a general plan amendment discussed previously and addressed what has been done. Mr. Brim presented the Technology Element of the General Plan to provide guidance in safeguarding privacy and protection of sensitive information in technology implementation.   Mr. Brim worked with Commissioner Chris Bramwell in putting this together.
Commissioner Nathan Steele requested for clarification of the process, in the city attorney’s role. Mr. Brim discussed the committee and how they perform reviews for insurance.
COMMISSIONER BRADY MOVED TO OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING AT08 pm. CHAIR GUDMUNDSON WAS THE SECOND.  CHAIR GUDMUNDSON, VICE-CHAIR BRADY, AND COMMISSIONERS BRAD FAGG, GRADEN OSTLER, AND NATHAN STEELE VOTED YES. THE MOTIONED CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Resident Daria Evans requested for more clarification on the level of robustness of privacy.   Mr. Brim discussed the opportunity for developing a department to monitor privacy and personal information protection. The state is currently providing a code for privacy.   Mr. Brim noted this will guide the general plan and future movements in regard to how the city structure will grow to account for privacy.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED AT11pm BY CHAIR GUDMUNDSON AND GOT A SECOND BY MR. STEELE. THE VOTE FOR YES INCLUDING NATHAN STEELE, BRYCE BRADY, TAY GUDMUNDSON, GRADEN OSTLER, AND BRAD FAGG WAS UNANIMOUS.
MOTION: VICE CHAIR BRADY MOTIONS TO APPROVE THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE FOR A NEW TECHNOLOGY ELEMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATION AT11pm. COMMISIONER BRADLEY FAGG SECONDS THIS MOTION. THOSE VOTING YES: NATHAN STEELE, BRYCE BRADY, TAY GUDMUNDSON, GRADEN OSTLER, AND BRAD FOGG. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
4.2.  GRMU Gateway Entry Sign
Karla Mata with X Development proposed a Gateway Entry Sign along0 N and Geneva Road. Ms. Mata discussed the need for a monument sign in order to get McDonalds’ building permit approval. She noted that they intend to move the sign for better visuals. Ms. Mata discussed the make-up this sign for Vineyard and the reasoning behind its location.
Mr. Steele recommended making the sign larger. Mr. Brim noted that this fulfills a standard, however the emphasis for Vineyard monument signs are on the other side of0 North.
MOTION: COMMISSIONER NATHAN STEELE MOVED TO ACCEPT THE PLAN AS PRESENTED AT18pm. COMMISSIONER FAGG WAS THE SECOND FOR APPROVAL. TAY GUDMUNDSON, BRYCE BRADY, BRAD FAGG, GRADEN OSTLER, AND NATHAN STEEL ALL VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
5.Work Session
5.1. Transportation Master Plan Update.
Staff Engineer, Patrick James, introduced an update to the Transportation Master Plan (TMP). The City has contracted with Hales Engineering to conduct the TMP. This included a capital facilities plan and impact fees analysis.
Josh Gibbins with Hales Engineering shared an update of the Master Plan to the Commission. This included completing four plans with proposed projects within each: Transportation Master Plan, Capital Facilities Plan, and two on Impact Fees. The focus is city roads and their levels of service.
They shared the alternative scenario to enhance connectivity within the future downtown area. Mr. Gibbins compared this alternative to the current MAG plan.
Tay Gudmundson asks what UDOT’s response to this was. Mr. Gibbins expressed that they were surprised and concluded that it will not be easy to persuade them. Public Works Director Naseem Ghandour noted that this could provide an alternative to I-15.
Nathan Steele asks if this alternative is a UDOT ROW or City ROW. Mr. Gibbins responded in saying that the alternative is UDOT facility, however the current plan is a city ROW. It would remain a UDOT road.    Discussion ensued about the reality of the alternative plan.
5.2.Vineyard Beach Improvement Update.
Mr. Brim introduced Planner Anthony Fletcher to present this conversation concerning Vineyard Beach Improvement projects. The presentation included current conditions, progress updates, and an economic analysis.
Mr. Fletcher noted the start of construction planned for late spring of this year. This plan was detailed and connected to future projects including the green loop. Visual aids were provided to guide this introduction to the plan.
Bryce asks about the clean up process and the guidance from the state. Mr. Brim noted that we would not be addressing the wetlands first and that the city is working on permits for uplands. As the project moves forward the reports and permits would be addressed.
Bryce commented on the necessity for teenaged groups of people as there is not much of that throughout the city. Mr. Brim discussed ideas for a skate park or other development.   Concerns about the dredging maintenance sparked a conversation.
David Lauret asks if there is a part of the plan to mitigate insect disturbances. Mr. Fletcher responds by saying that there are plans, but currently nothing is solidified.
Resident Daria Evans expressed concern for the quality of nature and Huntsman’s inspiration for natural connections. Mr. Brim noted that the South end is intended for a more quiet and peaceful space and that the Huntsman Cancer Institute is excited about the current plans.
Mr. Brim introduced a parking plan as well as a loading/ unloading zone. It is intended that there will be parking in the downtown areas. More attention will be allocated to programming for parking.
Commissioner Ostler shared concern about power and the electric poles. Mr. Brim commented that it is a concern that is being discussed with Rocky Mountain Power and it would be a good investment to explore.
6. Staff, Commission, and Committee Reports  tag update
Mr. Brim informed the commission of Utah American Planning Association conference and congratulated Mr. Fletcher on being awarded for the Technical Assistance for Governments grant.
Mr. Ghandour briefed the commission on some of the master plans in progress.
Vice-chair Brady volunteered to be in attendance at the next Development Review Committee.
7. Adjournment   The meeting was adjourned at28 pm.   MINUTES CERTIFIED CORRECT ON: /17/2024     CERTIFIED BY:                                          Madison Reed, Planner Technician
OK, all right, we're gonna go ahead and call this meeting to order. Umm, we'll begin with the pledge from Graydon Osler. 00:00:05
We're done. 00:00:15
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:20
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:26
OK, umm. 00:00:43
Go ahead and move to public comments if anybody has comments to make about anything not on the agenda tonight. 00:00:45
Feel free. 00:00:57
Cool. 00:01:02
Looks like that is. 00:01:04
No comments for that tonight. OK, go to item 3, consent items. 00:01:07
Uh, approving the minutes for let's say 3.1 is for December 6, 2020, three 3.2 of January 17th 2024. 00:01:13
And then 3.3 is February 7th, 2024. 00:01:26
MF to approve the consent item, do you have a second? Second. Uh, excellent. Moving on to item 4. 00:01:34
Business item umm, is that a public hearing for the general plan update for Gold 2 technology element? Looks like we have a 00:01:47
presentation from Morgan Brim and then when we open up public hearing like two select after that for comment. Yeah, I see you can 00:01:55
open it now and then I'll put that and then just the time will come up and speak. 00:02:03
Umm. So this is a umm. 00:02:13
Uh, so yeah. So this is the general plan amendment that we had discussed in, uh, previous meetings. Umm, the City Council had 00:02:15
requested, umm, a, umm, an amendment to our ordinance. And umm, we had Chris Bramwell from the umm, Planning Commission that was 00:02:23
umm, assigned to work with staff, work with their city attorney to start developing, umm, the, the pro pro proposed language to 00:02:30
our general plan. The idea was to make it kind of higher level, umm, have. 00:02:38
Language within the job plan. And then as we start to adopt new technologies, umm, that we would be able to use this as kind of, 00:02:45
uh, guidelines for us, uh, most likely the city, umm, my understanding is interested in the City Council is interested in adopting 00:02:53
kind of a more robust policy. So I'm assuming you're gonna see that a little later in the future. Umm, and uh, I know there are 00:03:00
some bills, uh, like through the, in the state legislature, I think there's one that's being worked on that'll probably come out. 00:03:08
Next year that'll have, umm, kind of more, uh, requirements on a state level that only passed down to the the municipalities, umm. 00:03:15
So we have held a, uh, work session, umm, on this item in both Planning Commission and City Council. Uh, we did have a public 00:03:27
comment, umm, in the past that asked us to add to Strategy 5 contracts and contractors, umm. 00:03:36
And, and so, and so I'll just read out so strategy 5 to show that all current and future study, umm, contracts and contractors 00:03:45
include measures that protect sensitive data and dispose of it properly. So, umm, O overall, this is, provides us kind of guidance 00:03:52
that we are putting, umm, you know, the safeguarding of, umm, personal information and, and sense of data that kind of the 00:04:00
forefront, umm, as we work with contractors and as we, umm, implement, uh, technology. 00:04:07
When I say technology, they're, they're, umm, you know, we're starting to see umm, a lot of technology coming out, umm, to help 00:04:15
with parking, umm, there, there's a lot of apps and stuff like that. And so ensuring that we don't need to hold on to information 00:04:23
longer than that is necessary. Umm, and with the forward discussions, you remember that we umm, did discuss with uh, Steve Burup, 00:04:30
the development manager with that company that, umm, they do have some umm, license, uh, umm, information. 00:04:38
Is, umm, is license plate information that is, is gathered to help kind of ensure people that are allowed to park in the, in the 00:04:45
park structure have that the right and they use that through for code enforcement, but we also don't wanna have them holding on to 00:04:52
that information for a long time. So, umm, and then we would also, umm, kinda look at those same type of, of measures when, if we, 00:04:58
uh, develop our own parking structures and things like that. 00:05:05
Umm, you know, and a lot of the technology too. And I, I'd say like when we, umm, we look at some of kind of what's called like 00:05:12
the, the, umm, smart city stuff, we're looking at like things for the beach area where you have umm, trash cans and receptacles 00:05:17
that. 00:05:22
By that overall, umm. 00:05:58
Umm, guidance A as we do that. And uh, yeah, I'm assuming that runs are just gonna be a more robust policy in the future and 00:06:01
that'll probably align with the state code amendments coming down the line. So, uh, yeah, this is, this would affect, umm, goal 2 00:06:07
as a technology element of the general plan and add 3 new strategies and then amend, uh, strategy three. So, umm, any questions or 00:06:12
comments? 00:06:18
Great and. 00:06:28
Yeah. 00:06:30
At what point does the city attorney take a look at this? Is that purely once these strategies are used to actually create 00:06:32
municipal code? Umm, so they never look at the general plan or do they look at it at the time that it comes to the council? Or 00:06:38
have they already looked at? Yeah, they have already. OK. Yeah. So we, we have like a small committee. So Chris Brown was on the 00:06:44
committee, umm, and then Jamie, our, our council and then a couple staff members. And so, umm, we developed that kind of within 00:06:50
that committee and umm. 00:06:56
But yeah, as we start to develop technology, most likely we have our, our legal counsel, umm, help us in like reviewing contracts 00:07:02
and, and that kind of stuff to ensure that for umm, you know, safeguarding information about holding on to dispose of it. And 00:07:08
that's for the language and the general plan itself. These strategies do do they weigh in to say, Oh yeah, yeah, this doesn't make 00:07:13
sense? Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, yeah, I'll, I'll go into this get, get reviewed by that. 00:07:19
By the attorney. 00:07:25
Supposed to open up a public hearing. 00:07:30
Alright, 2nd. 00:07:34
Uh, do I don't? No, we don't need the No, not not the open. Excellent stuff. 00:07:36
Do we got anything today? No, you don't. You don't have to. No pressure. 00:07:43
Yeah. Sorry, Evan. 00:07:51
Umm, when you were talking about becoming a more robust for strategy too, what did you mean by that? Are we gonna have even more 00:07:54
strict requirements coming down as far as the technology is concerned? Yeah, Umm, that's, that's what I, I'm assuming. I mean, we, 00:08:02
we don't know until happens, but it sounds like this sets us up for umm, for an actual like policy that would have like detailed 00:08:09
information. Umm, I, I, I'm assuming. 00:08:17
We'll have, umm, a, a privacy officer or someone who, with a tech background right now we contract a lot of those like technical 00:08:24
services out, umm, but uh, you know, as we grow, most likely we're gonna have an IT person and they'll be designated, umm, you 00:08:32
know, privacy officer. What we're seeing is on the state level that they're working, umm, quite a bit on a, uh, a privacy, privacy 00:08:39
and just personal information protection kind of, uh, umm, law and they. 00:08:47
Up now, so we'll be amending that umm, so we would probably have to develop a more robust umm policy to align with that, with that 00:08:54
state strategy, the state umm code. OK, thank you. And then do we have a. 00:09:01
Companies that you're. 00:09:08
Working this through with already. Is there somebody, Yeah, well, Chris, umm, Bramwell, he's the, uh, the state designated privacy 00:09:11
officer. So it was, it was really great resource. So, so we work closely with him and, uh, we also met with, uh, a committee, umm, 00:09:17
it's, uh, Senator Moss is, is, is, is, is part of that. He's working on, on some language. So we, we, we've met with them and 00:09:23
talked to some other people, umm. 00:09:29
But I'm tracking with anybody to put this in place right now, uh, company, no, what all of all this will be right now is it'll 00:09:37
provide kind of the general plan. 00:09:41
Framework and it'll help kind of, uh, it'll make sure that as we implement technology that that's something that that we go back 00:09:46
to because we we use a general plan we make decisions we go back and go OK, are we aligning with that? This would be umm, the goal 00:09:52
that we go to for, for technology advancements and and implementation. Umm, but most likely I, I would imagine as we get bigger 00:09:58
and bigger that we would actually have like a staff member who's in it individual issues that designated officer for us. OK, well 00:10:03
thank you yeah absolutely. 00:10:09
OK, cool. Umm, and this would be a a recommendation to this example. OK, doing it that close public hearing before we make 00:10:22
recommendations. Yeah, you're good. OK, I move to close this public hearing. 00:10:28
A second. 00:10:36
And you'll need, uh, about an hour. OK, all in favor. 00:10:38
Aye, aye. Cool. All right. Umm, cool. Does anybody wanna make a motion? You wanna make the motion? I move to approve item 4.1, the 00:10:42
general plan update, uh, Goal 2 technology element for recommendation to the City Council. OK, do you have a second? OK, let's 00:10:50
roll call it. Yeah, this is roll call. OK, Nathan. OK, thanks. Bye. OK, I Graydon. Hi, Brad. Hi. 00:10:58
Thank you. 00:11:08
Umm but we have two 4.2 the GRMU gateway entry sign. Looks like we are gonna hear from Carla with X development. 00:11:10
Umm, for a gateway entry, sign along 400 N in Geneva. 00:11:21
That's not. 00:11:37
OK, uh, Carla Masa with X development umm, I think that cash has been gonna prevent today, but apparently he's not feeling well. 00:11:43
So, umm, I was not prepared to but the office. Uh-huh. So essentially the the McDonald's. 00:11:52
Umm, that kind of provision with the condition that in order for them to get umm, their building permit, that they would have to 00:12:02
umm, have a monument sign approved to climate Commission. So we are prepared to fulfill that umm. 00:12:09
And just click on that. 00:12:18
Oh, did I miss that? 00:12:21
OK. 00:12:23
Advise. 00:12:26
OK. And then? 00:12:29
I'm sure you're here. 00:12:33
Yeah. 00:12:47
Is it not just fine there? I'll raise it. You can just use it from the the the agenda. 00:12:50
Essentially it's umm, the monument sign is regarded as a sign that proposed for McDonald's. So to offset that, we are proposing 00:13:00
that location be a little bit farther. So umm, and on a diagnosed so that it can be seen when you're entering into vineyards, 00:13:07
they'll show it and then you can get it up. Umm, and just to tell you a little bit about the sign, it's basically a cast concrete 00:13:13
sign, umm, with the. 00:13:20
Front backward channel letter, umm, that, umm, well, obviously be a little bit nice. Umm, because Vineyard and uh, it's basically 00:13:28
that it is that it's good. Basically, you're right, that is correct. 00:13:36
By 10 feet wide uh-huh so I thought it nothing too fast but it definitely accomplishes the goal of providing a monument feature 00:13:46
and umm you're welcoming people sitting there any luck there we go there it is and it's glory so 10 feet wide 4 1/2 feet tall and 00:13:56
then it's just got the signage so and Carla this is on the. 00:14:05
West corner of 400 N Beaver Rd. which doesn't punch through all the way but it it sets it up for what it does. It doesn't have the 00:14:14
map showing the location on there. 00:14:19
It's 26, OK. 00:14:29
Agenda packet of that site plan. Yeah, it should be on an agenda packet, correct? 00:14:32
Is this something that could be moved in the future? Just looking at the map of it, it looks like it's gonna be quite a distance 00:14:42
away from the corner there. 00:14:46
The, the hard part is, I mean, it's, there's that you see, it's kind of a triangular piece at the top. That's all you got right 00:14:52
away. Yeah. And so we're really limited in where we can put it. Umm, you also see there's the, the monument signs for McDonald's. 00:14:58
That's, uh, can you hover over that #7 So that's there. So our proposed location is marching yellow and that, umm, McDonald's 00:15:04
approved that location. 00:15:11
Umm. 00:15:18
Or so when the, when the intersection gets umm, approved or improved, umm by UDOT that this will be the corner it it'll, it'll, 00:15:19
it'll be the first one right there. Do we know what the dimensions of the McDonald's monument sign are yet? I don't know. I, I, I 00:15:26
don't see there's the middle package for that. I don't, I don't know if they submitted their signed package yet yeah, we got their 00:15:33
site plan approval. Uh, so we're my only worry with the monument sign, the two of them being that close together and. 00:15:41
The vineyard sign being that close to the actual building is that it would be like McDonald's and vineyards, you know? And, umm, 00:15:48
we have that on average, we have a right, Yeah. And so I'm wondering. 00:15:53
Since this is advertising our community, if there's a potential for a variance to make it a little bit larger. 00:15:59
Because it's our community. 00:16:06
The cards are actually coming in from the the north side of 400 mills right. If, if that's the case, then absolutely. So I mean 00:16:39
that's gonna be where their eyes are gonna be more drawn and so that's outside the other side because that some more side is gonna 00:16:44
be like the the mural Linda whole deal yeah, I don't have like umm, I think yeah, it'll help ground floor retail and residential 00:16:49
above it. 00:16:54
So we'll have kind of a nice urban wall effect. And with this McDonald's too, umm, the code had them pull it all the way up. So 00:17:01
you know, it's a drive through the drafting in the back. So at least you, you can kind of like that Bergen wall on both sides. 00:17:07
OK. 00:17:14
OK. Has staff already approved the specs of the sign when it comes to the lumen count and the site ordinance that yeah. So that 00:17:17
what we'll have our billing official look at that, at that part of that. So that would be a yeah. 00:17:24
I don't have any other questions, OK Anybody else? 00:17:37
All right. Do we have a lotion? 00:17:42
I moved to accept the plan as presented. 00:17:45
OK. Do not click it all in favor. Aye. OK, Thank you very much. 00:17:50
OK, that brings us to #5 our work session. 00:17:57
Uh, let's see item 5.1, the Transportation Master Plan update we'll be hearing from Patrick James. 00:18:01
An engineer and when I guess we're having, we have some updates, yes, yeah. So as you know, the city contracted with sales 00:18:11
engineering to put together a transportation master plan and that includes capital facilities plan and intent fee analysis. 00:18:19
Umm, this is to help the city, uh, strategically plan our transportation needs, umm, in the most efficient way, uh, financially 00:18:29
and to help our community, umm, enhance our community. So Josh Gibbons and Ryan Hales will present their update. 00:18:37
Awesome. Thanks, Patrick. So Josh Stevens with Hales Engineering plug in. 00:18:50
Yeah, I see. I have. Yeah, yeah, I tested it before too. So. 00:19:00
Ship again. 00:19:05
Give me a little bit. 00:19:08
There we go. 00:19:10
Sweet, thank you. 00:19:14
Well, we're excited to be here today. Like I said, I'm Josh Gibbons. We got Ryan Hills here as well. 00:19:16
I think last year you, you may recall the came and presented when we were kind of starting on this plan. We're still working 00:19:23
through it and planning, planning to finalize things in the in the next few months. 00:19:28
Umm, we've had a lot of discussions in the last, uh, few months with staff and, umm, and others about, umm, roadway scenarios in 00:19:34
this, in the city as far as potential projects. And, uh, tonight, uh, we're, we're here to review that information with you, uh, 00:19:42
as a refresh. I know, umm, most of you heard that last year, but want to make sure you all hear it again. And then, uh, we have 00:19:49
kind of an alternative, uh, scenario to present tonight as well, uh, that we wanna take your feedback on and as we work to. 00:19:57
Finalize the plan we'll be presenting to City Council next week as well, uh, with the same information. And we, we, we met with 00:20:05
them, uh, individually this, this earlier this week about this as well. So, uh, if you have any questions as I, as I go along, 00:20:12
please ask. I have about 10 slides. I'll try to keep it quick tonight. Umm, so as a kind of an overview, umm, like uh, Patrick 00:20:19
said, we're, we're completing kind of four different plans here. The, the main one would be the transportation master. 00:20:27
Them so the purpose of that plan is to identify future traffic demand in the city and to look at needed, uh, transportation 00:20:35
projects. Umm, that would include Robey projects, active transportation projects and transit, uh, opportunities as well. Uh, 00:20:41
tonight our focus will be on kind of the roadway side, but we, we are also working on the others as well. Umm, the next plan is 00:20:48
the capital field facilities plan, which looks at the cost of those projects. 00:20:55
The and then the next to look at impact fees and you know how much we we we identify. 00:21:03
The eligibility of those projects to be funded by impact fees. And then we calculated impact fee that developers pay, umm, when 00:21:08
they bring their projects in. That would be, uh, you know, a per trip or a per unit, uh, rates that they would pay for impact 00:21:14
fees. 00:21:20
So just a quick overview of existing conditions, umm, as you know, you know, there are a couple of UU dot state roads that you 00:21:28
know are within Vineyard city boundaries. You've got Vineyard Connector, which was just completed around the band. There. You have 00:21:35
Geneva Rd. uh, shown in red on the screen here. The rest of the roads are city roads shown in blue. Uh, the focus of this TMP is 00:21:42
really city road because that's what impact fees can be used for, uh. 00:21:49
The, umm, those impact fees can't, cannot be used for state roads unless it's some sort of local match that that is required by 00:21:57
the state for a road project. So, umm, just so you're aware, the focus really here is, uh, those city roads. Though the plan does 00:22:05
look at the EU dot road to recommend potential changes and upgrades to make sure traffic flows as well through the city. 00:22:14
Umm, last time we came, we talked a little bit, a little bit about level of service. So as a review, uh, level of services, the 00:22:25
measure we used to measure congestion and delay. So, uh, in this master plan, this kind of high level master plan, we looked at it 00:22:32
at a roadway segment basis. Umm, it's based on how many cars a day you have on the road compared to a certain capacity. So just as 00:22:39
a general reference, uh, a three lane Rd. which is a 11 lane per direction with middle turn lanes. 00:22:46
That can handle up to about 18,000 cars a day. Five lanes can handle it up to about 37,000 cars a day. So we use that as a 00:22:54
reference and we identify A level of service, umm. 00:22:59
In general, level of service A through D is acceptable. So in this plan we've identified that for umm, smaller roads like local 00:23:06
roads and collectors that uh, we even said, uh, a better standard. I would say A level of service fee for local roads or level of 00:23:13
service C or better for collectors, if that makes sense. The bigger roads arterioles we would want to have LOSD or better, which 00:23:20
is typical for, for U dot and others. 00:23:27
So I wanna show you kind of the existing and future conditions of that level of service analysis, **** analysis. So just really 00:23:36
quick, you can see here that umm. 00:23:41
Overall, most of the roads show up as green, meaning it's a good level of service in the city. Uh, currently, umm, the one that's 00:23:46
pretty is somewhat congested with these in your connector. Umm, which is LOSD still acceptable, but congested, and U dot has made 00:23:53
some recent improvements there to make that flow, uh, better than it did. I think in that section, uh, West of Geneva Rd. you'll 00:24:00
see we have some red dots at certain intersections that today. 00:24:06
Uh, view perform at poor levels of service during peak hours. And so within this plan, we're looking at, uh, ways to, umm, add 00:24:14
maybe turn lanes or change, uh, characteristics there to improve the traffic flow overall. 00:24:20
As we go to a future condition, we've, we've taken the, the mag travel demand model, which uh, has, you know, land use 00:24:27
assumptions. We've updated those assumptions with all the known developments within the city to make sure it's up to date and 00:24:33
accurate. Umm, so looking at a 10 year horizon, umm, you can see that we have a couple more congested roads, which would be 00:24:39
Vineyard connector. Umm, and then, uh, center St. shows a little bit of congestion, congestion. So, umm, in these cases we can 00:24:45
either, uh, look at. 00:24:51
Vininger Rd. to improve the level of service, which in the case of Vineyard Connector, uh, Mac just this week, I, I believe, umm, 00:24:57
modify their plan to make sure they're planning for A5 Lane Rd. there, which would accommodate for, uh, you know, the majority of 00:25:03
the traffic shown here, which is a good, good, uh, but they did that, Umm, the other thing we could do instead of winding is to 00:25:09
look at other. 00:25:15
Umm, new facilities to take pressure off of UH-1 facility. So in the case of Center St. 00:25:22
We're looking at, are there other east, West roads we can kind of bolster or add to improve that level of service? 00:25:27
Uh, jumping over to 2050 conditions, kind of a 20 plus year horizon, you can see that with all the development proposed in the 00:25:36
city that, uh, with today's system at least, you know, we would see congestion on Vineyard connector, uh, all of it on, on main 00:25:43
streets, umm, center St. still as well. Geneva 1600 N. So within this, we're, we're propo proposing projects, uh, many of which 00:25:50
are already planned on. For example, 1600 N has already planned to go to five lanes, which would handle, uh, the. 00:25:58
In there umm and Josh really quick to uh clarify these are without any changes so so the infrastructure have built out with no 00:26:05
changes correct yes thanks Morgan so like I said there are some projects that already plan to fix some of these issues that we 00:26:13
will kind of reiterate in the plan umm with these volumes uh on vineyards connector with 50,000 plus cars a day that's you're 00:26:20
you're looking at kind of A7 lane road right you're you're beyond the five lanes where we we. 00:26:28
At least seven lanes to accommodate that umm mag in their long range plan. And I'll show that in a second. I guess they're 00:26:35
actually calling out that you, you may need even an Expressway type Rd. umm, which is higher speeds getting closer to kind of what 00:26:42
Bangor highway is today. Umm, it's kind of what that umm Expressway Expressway would be. So we've taken this, we, we have a, we 00:26:49
have a draft list of projects we're looking at. 00:26:56
And uh. 00:27:04
And, and, and we'll be kind of working through that. Umm, but as we put that project list together, which would include seven 00:27:05
lanes on Vineyard connector and other projects, Umm, and, and I guess one more thing to add, because of that volume up in your 00:27:11
connector, that intersection of, like I said, I don't have a pointer, umm, of Main Street and Vineyards connector with all the 00:27:17
volume there, you would need some sort of large intersection to accommodate that traffic, right? So which we don't know if we have 00:27:23
room for that at this stage. 00:27:29
And so because of that and other reasons, umm, because of, you know, the potential of seven lanes of vineyard connector, which 00:27:35
would divide the city pretty severely and make it hard to cross between the downtown and the South part of, uh, vineyards, we 00:27:43
tried to look outside the box, I think outside the box and look at other options. So that's what we're talking about tonight. Umm 00:27:50
is an alternative to maybe this kind of base scenario. Umm, So what's shown on the screen right now is the, uh, current mag plan. 00:27:57
Transportation plan. You can see that the uh, and I will get the mouse real quick, so I can point a couple things. 00:28:05
This makes a little bit easier. Umm, so you can see here that, umm, the red roads shown are kind of freeway facilities that 00:28:21
they're planning. The orange roads are expressways. The black lines are arterial roads. As you can see that they're planning on 00:28:27
umm, a potential Expressway along, along vineyard connection that would come straight down past the downtown through, through 00:28:33
vineyards and over backside 15. Umm, what we're trying to look at is, is there a way to not divide, uh, vineyards more than it is 00:28:39
right? We, we don't want. 00:28:45
Rail is already a division in the city if we're trying to think outside the box that other options to not divide the city anymore. 00:28:51
So the concept we're talking about right now with staff, uh, would be what's now shown on the screen, which is instead of taking 00:28:58
umm vineyard connector down and that potential Expressway down past the downtown and on kind of the 800 N alignment down here, is 00:29:06
there a way that we could bring that Expressway on the 1600 N alignment down on Geneva Rd. So we. 00:29:13
The benefits to this, umm, it, it creates a parallel route to I-15, which can take pressure off of I-15. Uh, it puts that traffic 00:29:21
on the outside of, uh, Vineyard Cities boundaries and down Geneva Rd. They're already planning Expressway to the South and Provo 00:29:28
to take it across the Bay at some point past the airport. And so in our minds, this kind of fills that gap and completes the, the 00:29:34
system. Umm, so we, we feel it has benefits both locally and regionally. 00:29:41
So to look at a little bit more detail, we've kind of developed these concepts on the left side and what, what it would be in Max 00:29:49
current alignments and current plan with kind of the bigger Rd. shown in the pinkish color, uh, around the downtown and, and 00:29:56
cutting through the city. Umm, and then you have Geneva Rd. as another major Rd. Of course, the alternative would be that instead 00:30:03
you would take that road, follow the 1600 N alignment and then come down Geneva Rd. 00:30:10
In either plan, there's going to be some sort of element of elevating growth to get them over the rail alignments. So that happens 00:30:18
in the current plan. It would also happen in the alternative, the alternative. 00:30:24
Umm, you know, would have more need for elevation to keep it above the rail lines that are there and umm, to keep a free flow 00:30:30
movement basically from that 1600 N to Geneva Rd. Umm, So it's not umm, it's not cheap of course, to do this. But overall we feel 00:30:37
that alignment wise and umm and you know, walkability wise for the city as a whole, we think that this could be a better alignment 00:30:43
overall. 00:30:50
Umm, the last thing here to look at would be, uh, potential traffic volumes, umm, in that scenario. 00:30:58
The one thing that you know, gets me excited is seeing that in this scenario, we think that it takes pressure off off of I-15. It 00:31:05
drops umm, I-15 by 15,000 cars a day by our estimates. Umm, it drops, you know where vineyards connector or this loop that, umm, 00:31:12
depends Rd. here, uh, where it was at 50,000 plus, we now drop to 30,000 around through the downtown uh, which is much more 00:31:20
manageable, but you can, you can keep that as A5 lane Rd. in this case and make it much easier for. 00:31:27
Experience across back and forth, umm, potentially there's a, there's a way to keep speeds lower to, to increase safety around 00:31:35
there too. Umm, yeah. So those, those are kind of the, uh, ideas. The other thing I wanna point out here is that, umm, uh, we're, 00:31:41
we're talking about a crossing over the rail that you probably know about at 1200 N to go into the downtown as well. That's a, 00:31:48
that's a key connection to take pressure off of, umm, this alignment too. 00:31:54
And then excuse me. 00:32:02
And then the, uh, we're also talking about a four, 400 doors, uh, possible connection to the South. 00:32:05
Umm, with that I'll get a drink and uh, any questions at this point I guess. 00:32:12
Yeah, I was wondering. 00:32:18
How, What? What have you got response then to this alternative idea? 00:32:25
So, yeah, we, we went with TDOT, uh, you know, a few weeks, a few weeks ago on this, umm, their initial thought, I think Ani 00:32:32
initial response was umm, umm, you know, a little bit of surprise, right? Umm, they've, uh, they've, they've built the vineyard 00:32:40
connector that exists today. And so I think, uh, you know, it won't be, you know, easy, I guess to convince them. But I think 00:32:47
overall we have some great reasonings both locally and regionally to umm, to go with this alignment. 00:32:55
As opposed to the other one? Umm, enough to you? I don't know if you want to add anything to that or Patrick to our discussion or 00:33:03
yeah. 00:33:06
So anything to verify the worst director? 00:33:16
Uh, so, uh, again, this is just a workshop, uh, to, uh, uh, Planning Commission, City Council feedback, uh, to get some feedback 00:33:18
and, uh, some direction, umm, as well. Uh, this is, uh, we haven't hit hit yet hit the public hearing portion of the, uh, of the 00:33:26
mass, uh, transportation master plan. Uh, but in regards to, uh, with the dot. And I know that, uh, they're constantly looking 00:33:33
away to help, uh, lessen the load off I-15 specifically and also getting. 00:33:41
And with the routes going towards the the uh, uh. 00:33:48
Very dri, uh, the, uh, any, excuse me, uh, I'm sorry, the, the driveway, uh, the, the drive to get to, uh, the springs and Eagle 00:33:55
Mountain. Uh, you guys are also looking into, uh, the South of Vineyard City and, uh, and Orem by uh, uh, through Provo, uh, the, 00:34:02
I think they call it the right shore Blvd. 00:34:10
If I'm not mistaken, like you Parkway, don't you like view Parkway about, uh, you know, extending that to make that AOI 15 00:34:18
alternative as well. So in that sense, what this would do is kind of extend that, uh, alternative northward, uh, along, uh, kind 00:34:25
of like an asset along Geneva and then provide like another alternative route, uh, into the Perry Drive Parkway. Yeah, thank you. 00:34:33
Parkway. No, I'm sorry. The one that goes out to Sarah's number 25. 00:34:40
There we go. I'm sorry, uh, uh, alternative as well. Now what do you got? Uh, what, uh, the weather you guys like to do as well as 00:34:48
like, uh, to do, uh, resonate about 45 miles an hour, uh, bus was a little connection, uh, and then of course this would provide 00:34:55
that, that type of connections as well. Umm, we're asking yeah. We're actively working with, uh, uh, the, uh, E dot and then all 00:35:03
the other people to get fi finalized. Uh, I I. 00:35:10
The property owners, uh, to deal with, uh, for this different Rd. ticket finalized design. But uh, in that sense, umm, the 00:35:18
question that, uh, the DOC always asks and then you wanna always ask is has, you know, hasn't been done through the, uh, uh, like 00:35:25
I said, let us play his bodies and so and such. And then when we kind of finalize a kind of get more of a solidified plan put 00:35:33
together, like for example, alternative plan here. And I know, umm, Josh is gonna go. 00:35:40
So it doesn't have any specific detail, uh, specifics about connections and so forth. And by the time we presented a public 00:35:48
hearing, we'll have a better understanding of those types of, uh, details as well. 00:35:54
Uh, it's a long explanation to probably short of to what should have been a short answer. 00:36:02
It's very informative though. Umm, yeah, go ahead. Umm, so. 00:36:08
Oh First off I love the ideas and alternate the 1st house corridor. I I don't know anyone that would umm disagree with that. It's 00:36:14
nice to have multiple rows to get there. Umm is this proposed Whether it's the current plan or the alternative plan? Would that be 00:36:21
U dot right of way or city right of way? The idea is that the alternative route would be a U dot facility. OK, but the current 00:36:28
plan as proposed is city right of way along $1600. 00:36:35
That that, umm, that is correct. Yeah. OK and I believe. 00:36:42
And Naseem just mentioned that there would still be, there isn't enough right of way right now in the alternative plan that you 00:36:47
thought would need to acquire it in order to make this work. Correct. But that's, that's correct. And specifically with the umm, 00:36:55
kind of those spots with the fence, umm, you know that that is not right away. Yeah. But as nothing says, there's already been 00:37:02
some conversations with property owners about that and they overall been favorable to what I understand. OK. 00:37:09
Yeah, umm, yeah. I mean, state wants to buy my property, yeah, but I I'm worried about additional costs there. I'm sure you got 00:37:17
has the money to do it, but because it is all within the city of Vineyard that will absolutely need to be part of the analysis. 00:37:25
The alternative plan, what would that cost be including ongoing costs, if there's any fair share fees that the city would need to 00:37:32
pay to UDOT. Umm, I hope that's just part of the analysis before we move. 00:37:40
Action like the other yeah great, great question that's something we still need to kind of discuss more umm that'll be worked on 00:37:47
as we go along. So OK, but for what it's worth, I mean if money wasn't any issue alternative plan all the way yeah right. I love 00:37:54
it yeah to tack on his question there, uh, would the current U dot Rd. they were to approve it the alternate plan with the current 00:38:01
Rd. on 800 N it flows around clicks on the city road or would that continue state U dot Rd. 00:38:08
Umm current conversations would be have been saying that it would stay as U dot Rd. but. 00:38:16
There's always a possibility it could change hands back to the city. Umm, Either way, I think you know, talking with staff you 00:38:22
know would be a desire to umm. 00:38:27
Make it more accessible potentially, if we can slow it down, if there's less cars, maybe we can get another access up. Yeah, 00:38:33
that's what I'm thinking. Umm, if it's, you know, it's hard to say, but umm, yeah, yeah, OK. It's it's really double edged sword. 00:38:40
Umm, when if the city acquires it, we have to pay for it. We have to pay for it, but then we have control on its development 00:38:46
happening on the other side. What we want that to be what protests are putting in. That's awesome. But then, yeah, pay for it. 00:38:53
Yeah. I'd kind of be curious to hear what some of the developers of this area think about this plan, because I mean, obviously 00:39:00
this cuts through the majority of your development. 00:39:05
Would you mind commenting on that? If if you if you don't have a comment, that's fine too, but, uh. 00:39:10
Like, unofficially, yeah. Unofficially, yeah. 00:39:16
Good. 00:39:19
Cool, cool. Alright, alright. Again. And just to add my opinion to it, I think the alternative plan is an absolute like no brainer 00:39:22
if we can pull it off. The alternative plan makes way more sense with the way our our city is set up. Yeah. 00:39:29
And, and I just wanna add some too. I, I, it's almost like I lost the beak in that alternative location. On that side, you have 00:39:37
industrial uses which actually are gonna benefit a lot from from being able to have direct access because one thing you were 00:39:44
looking at having a connection on Mill Road. And so, umm, because it is elevated on 1600 N that alternative route is that you 00:39:52
could have basically a direct connection and that would be a good truck route as opposed to having trucks go through the city. 00:39:59
Residential, that area up there is, is industrial, so it, it kind of uh, I, I think actually works really well. Some something 00:40:06
else to add, uh, when you're talking about the overpass for the track right there, uh, I feel like on the current plan going at an 00:40:13
angle there, it would have to be a much larger overpass than with the alternate plan just going at a nine like directly 00:40:19
perpendicular to the tracks almost. 00:40:25
Would be shorter, but yeah. 00:40:32
Uh, one more thing to add. I think it's important, umm, the alternative plan here used to be Max plan in some form or another, uh, 00:40:35
through the time where, umm. 00:40:40
Mac did show, umm, this road kind of cutting through this property area and up kind of like this. So we're, we're kind of thinking 00:40:46
their old idea and morphine as a fit the properties better in a way. And so, as I discussed before, just not recently. So OK, umm, 00:40:55
I'll give by two cents as well. I, I love it. I love the the alternative plan. 00:41:04
Again, go through the industrial district it would provide. 00:41:13
Better check access. To be honest, it would not. 00:41:18
Negatively impact our economic growth as far as people coming in to vineyards, give them better access and they would probably 00:41:23
actually want to be here because they didn't have to cross it. 00:41:29
A highway to get to what should be a really cool beach. But so, uh yeah, you have my personal support and hopefully we can get you 00:41:36
down on board too, yeah. 00:41:42
OK. Any other questions or questions comments? 00:41:51
Mm-hmm. I got your grip. 00:41:55
Umm. 00:42:27
Is there any more questions on on that? 00:42:28
Great. Thank you. Thank you, Thank you. 00:42:32
OK. 00:42:38
Uh, we'll go ahead and move on to add a 5.2 the Vineyard beach improvement update. 00:42:39
Yeah, looks like it's Anthony presenting for us. I'll do a quick intro for Anthony. Haven't he's done a normal job. He's kind of 00:42:47
up on the staff side has been a lead on our waterfront project. Umm, this relates to the TRCC grant that, uh, we were umm awarded. 00:42:54
Uh, we're lucky enough to, to get a 24 month extension to help us, umm, get kind of the, umm, the engineering and de and design 00:43:02
details and in place So the help provide the presentation tonight. 00:43:09
Umm, and in two weeks we'll have the official site plan because we, we already approved the master plan, but this will be more of 00:43:17
a specific site plan for the the vine or B chairs. You have the master plan that's 3.4 miles and then this is that that. So 00:43:23
anyway, without further ado, go ahead and. 00:43:29
Hi. 00:43:39
So uh, again, my name is Anthony and I will be presenting this, umm, the progress so far with Vinod Beach improvement. 00:43:41
So in this presentation, I will be going through the current conditions, just, umm, you know, also giving you that update and just 00:43:51
a little bit of the economic analysis that we've done throughout the process. Umm, so this shows the current condition as you can 00:43:57
see in the video connector is out there. You know, we have block 5, which, uh, is in the works, block five of the promenade, which 00:44:03
is in the works of umm, starting construction soon this year. Umm, the, you got, you know, great as well is going to be starting 00:44:08
construction. 00:44:14
Going over, uh, vineyard connector, uh, in the spot where I have it labeled and umm. 00:44:20
We have the site in its best condition right now. 00:44:27
So on the left of this UMM slide you can see the current condition of the Vineyard beach, which is pretty much. 00:44:34
Not much to talk about, You know, it's UH-15 for Hill, umm, that you have to go down to access the beach and it's not a lot to it. 00:44:44
So, umm, in terms of progress, we have completed a master plan which has been approved for the entire waterfront area. We have 00:44:51
also, uh, completed a wet a wetland. 00:44:58
Umm, the radiation umm, for the area, you know which flights it into the umm, appliances lowland. Uh, we have umm, completed a 00:45:05
phase one design process and uh, we have also been interacting with some uh, local, local contractors to have some quo quotes on 00:45:13
uh, what we intend to have implemented in the area and we have also. 00:45:22
UMM submitted a general plan to UMM FF. 00:45:30
SL and it's still in progress. We're in the process of working through to get a permit to be able to general permit to be able to 00:45:35
get, uh, going on that, uh, land. We have ongoing discussions about the aquatic engineering on the lower side of the UMM of the 00:45:42
plan, which is more to the West close to the water. 00:45:50
And we're anticipating starting, umm, you know, starting to move right around and construction late spring of this year. 00:45:58
Alright, so this umm, slide here is pretty much showing the true connection between our park and what umm, Utah City is about to 00:46:08
uh, put together the promenade and how it also connects to our Vineyard station. So it's gonna be a boardwalk retail very close to 00:46:15
the. 00:46:22
Umm, Vineyard Beach, umm, we're going to have the beach connect seamlessly into, uh, Promenade Block 6, umm, which is going to 00:46:30
make it umm, feel like it's been part of the plan ever since we have Bronson here, we've been working together with the Utah City, 00:46:37
uh, Bronson is a Utah City group and umm, we've been working together to make sure that our plans, uh, you know, connect 00:46:45
seamlessly with what they also have planned and umm. 00:46:52
On here this is still work in progress, but eventually what's gonna happen if you look at this slide is we're gonna have a green 00:47:01
loop which connects from the Vineyard beach area goes through the, uh, promenade, right all the way to the east side of Vineyard 00:47:08
was gonna be a park that's gonna loop back into umm, uh, Vineyard beach on uh, 1200 N so this is still work in progress and but 00:47:15
that's the intention for the future, uh, to have a very nice serene. 00:47:22
Loop corridor where people can run, walk and have an exciting, exciting moment, uh, throughout the downtown of our city. 00:47:30
So this would give you this a short video. 00:47:41
To give you an idea of how. 00:47:46
It will be connected. 00:47:48
Umm, so right from the the lake, uh, the, the Lake Park is going to just, you know, as you can TE tell, it's just flying through 00:47:51
the promenade park through the various blocks and it's going to lead you all the way to that retail center. That's umm that you, 00:47:58
you know, gives you a great connection to a lot of restaurants that you see around the ground floor retail. A lot of you know, 00:48:05
vibrant interactions down in this space. 00:48:12
So, umm, on this slide you see an overall, uh, plan that has been put together for the entire, uh, beach area is going to be 00:48:21
expanded more than it is right now. 00:48:26
So. 00:48:38
This video gives you a quick overview about of what we plan to do. We have the Lake Rd. being showing up there and as I mentioned 00:48:40
earlier, we have the project being divided into an outline scope and a low land scope. The low land is right below the wetland 00:48:48
delineation line. And we have, uh, where we have plans to have a multi use trail and umm, you know, we're gonna have various paths 00:48:55
that connect various parts of the park over to the beach pedestrian. Uh. 00:49:02
Well, we're gonna have, uh, various, uh, pavilions and, umm, these pavilion buildings are going to have, umm, you know, restrooms 00:49:10
and just spaces where people can hang out and have parties and all kinds of, uh, you know, gatherings as well as, uh, storage for 00:49:18
equipment to maintain the area. We're also, uh, trying to have a dog park, you know, play area for kids. And this space is 00:49:25
generally going to be one that could be used all year round. 00:49:32
One that we could, you know, probably say, hey, we have a park that's connected to a much bigger park, you know, that leads you 00:49:40
all the way to the umm, you know, umm, the venue station and many other parts, uh, of the downtown area and the city eventually. 00:49:48
We're gonna have peers, umm, that, uh, connect that allow people to have some sort of interaction with the water without 00:49:58
necessarily, uh, getting themselves wet as well. So all these are things we have in the, in the plan and the whole idea is to make 00:50:06
it as, umm, walkable and, uh, bike friendly for every user in the city and obviously those as well. 00:50:14
So this shows us some renderings to give you a good idea of how. 00:50:25
Umm, things are gonna look, you know, I can tell you it's gonna look way premium in person. You know when it happens. Umm, that is 00:50:29
a rendering of umm, you know, the kids play area. 00:50:35
And just to talk a little bit about the Lake Rd. across sections, uh, I have. 00:50:42
These three sections that I want to share just to give you an idea of the character of how the Lake Rd. is going to be in the 00:50:50
future, because that's gonna be demolished and rebuilt. Umm, as we develop all this, this concept, this side is more to the north 00:50:54
side, which will have umm. 00:50:59
The right away having about, you know, just one, uh, parking on the side, you know, we'll still have that 15 foot sidewalk and two 00:51:05
cars going umm, you know, uh, North and South with just 10 foot, umm, right away for the cars. And that's how it's gonna look 00:51:11
pretty much. 00:51:17
The middle section of the UMM Lake Rd. that I showed earlier is going to have parking on both sides which will again slow down 00:51:25
traffic, make it safer for people that are trying to even cross to the other side of the lake. UMM. Make it a more UMM you know? 00:51:34
I'm more, I'm more human skill friendly style, uh, Rd. where you know residents can enjoy and feel safe while in the park and 00:51:46
trying to cross the other parts of it. 00:51:51
As well, so it would have that kind of scale. 00:51:57
Umm, and on the 3rd part, which connects this area that connects to uh, Promenade, uh, block 6, umm, this one you can tell has no 00:52:02
curb, uh, or any kind of left to it. It, it's been designed in a way that would allow people to seamlessly cross from block 6 all 00:52:09
to the, uh, the park, You know, the Super ADA accessible it. It's actually going to be like one of the safest insert umm, 00:52:17
intersections that you're gonna have. 00:52:24
City because it's gonna, you know, have a slower Rd. We still have parking on the side of the road or have trails on both sides. 00:52:31
This is going to be one that makes it, umm, you know, a good one to, to wanna have. So as I mentioned earlier, the the, the plan 00:52:40
is to have it's been divided. The whole project is divided into two the upland area and the lowland area. 00:52:48
So we are get, you know, working towards getting started on phase one and the phase one has been divided into two would have, you 00:52:59
know, the first part, once we have the general permit, uh, given to us, would have, umm, you know, umm, our contractors start to 00:53:05
grade the land, just remove all the vegetation. You know, there's certain growth and things that we're keeping, but it's just 00:53:12
gonna be a lot of mass grade in and. 00:53:18
Making sure that things are in a, in, in a place where we can start, uh, construction. And in the same way, you know? 00:53:25
Phase 1B would have a lot of the backbone utilities and umm, you know, excavation ongoing would demolish the Lake Rd. There's 00:53:32
going to be, at this point, there's gonna be a temporary umm, umm, trail, umm, you know, put in place to allow people to still, 00:53:41
umm, you know, commute from the north to the South of uh, the lakefront and wild construction is ongoing. 00:53:49
And it's been planned, you know, we've discussed this, to have it on the north side of UMM. 00:53:59
The the the Lake Rd. where you have those broken lines. I don't know if you can see that, uh here. 00:54:05
That's whether. 00:54:11
Simply, UMM, Charles is going to be located. 00:54:13
Umm, we're going on phase two to develop, umm, the actual park structure, put it in a retaining wall, you know, bringing in 00:54:18
lighting and many of our amenities, you know, umm, irrigation for the turf and, you know, making sure we have, you know, you know, 00:54:25
preparations done for umm, the various building funding to go in and all these other phases following phase one are contingent on 00:54:32
the previous phases being completed. 00:54:38
And. 00:54:46
By the time we get to phase four, you know, once we start building or once we start phase one, umm, just so you know, we're still 00:54:47
gonna be working through getting all the permits and, umm, things that we need to allow us to get going on the wetland area 00:54:55
because that's a lot more permit process intensive. So, umm, we would get the, our plan going and make sure it's usable for the 00:55:02
general public and umm, you know, this is gonna be work in progress. 00:55:10
So, umm. 00:55:19
As we all know, it's the 15th soil hill currently to get to Vineyard Beach. Beautiful. I spend a lot of time there. Umm, And this 00:55:21
is some data that we've got over time. In 2021, we had about 23,000 people visit and this data has been gathered, umm, pretty much 00:55:31
shows that the average, uh, time people spend there is about 55 minutes. So in 2021 we had about 20-3 people, uh, 23,000. 00:55:40
Visit UMM. 00:55:49
You know, 2022, we had about 27,000 visits and you know, in 2023 we're getting close to 30,000 and there's still nothing there. 00:55:51
It's just empty beach where you can just go pretty much make nothing. So, umm, if we're able to make this happen, we're gonna have 00:55:59
a lot more trips over, a lot more people spending time there, a lot more people wanting to, you know, enjoy our downtown and spend 00:56:06
more money in our city and make it, you know. 00:56:14
Uh, better fraud development as well. 00:56:22
So. 00:56:26
Umm overtime a lot of people argue and I'm saying that capital, which is true in my opinion, capital follows people, People follow 00:56:29
place and place needs investment to make everything tied together and make everything happen. Umm the Utah City folks are 00:56:37
investing on, you know, have time for investing heavily into this area. 00:56:44
And it's going, it's definitely going to attract a lot of people into, uh, downtown area. Huntsman, uh, Cancer Institute is, umm, 00:56:52
going to be. 00:56:58
In our city, and you know, on the map there, you can tell where they're going to be located. Umm, that area is going to, uh, our 00:57:03
developers, Utah City Development Council that is going to bring up to about 900 umm, hotel rooms that would also have umm, some 00:57:10
extended stay rooms that would help cater for those that umm, visit the Huntsman and also people that just wanna visit Vineyard 00:57:18
and have a great time, enjoy our beaches and parks and all that Vineyard in Utah. 00:57:25
Offer. 00:57:33
So these are just examples of how umm, trade in good parts have benefited cities and properties. Uh, in a few places either, like 00:57:36
for example, from Dallas, uh, the client Warren Park, you know, doubled, umm, property values when the park was, you know, put in 00:57:44
place. Umm, there's one in Houston as well. 00:57:52
That has very similar, umm, effect on the. 00:58:00
Similar positive effect on the property values of, you know the area where the park was developed. Same way in Oklahoma City. 00:58:05
Parks bring a lot of value to our cities and I can't wait to have this hopefully built in our city. I can talk about this all 00:58:12
night long, but I'll let this video. 00:58:19
Play well. Umm, you ask some questions if you have, you know any that you wanna bring to the table for us to take note of. 00:58:27
Got a couple of questions. Uh, a lot of this hinges on being able to dredge or clean up that, uh, lakefront area. Uh, what kind of 00:58:40
feedback have we gotten so far from the state and being able to do that? 00:58:46
So we haven't, we haven't gone so much into detail of, you know, into that dragon part of things. We're working currently into 00:58:54
the, uh, you know, getting permits for that plan. We have set the intention, but currently I, I don't have enough data to share. 00:59:01
Yeah. So what we would do that now I see like the yellow area that you had just shown that that's the upland area outside of the 00:59:08
wetland. So that's what we would focus on for like the, the actual designing for construction documents. 00:59:15
Umm, and uh, and so we, we wouldn't be touching the, the wetlands right now. There's quite an involved process. So it requires the 00:59:23
general permit through the FFSL. That's a, umm, forcing fire. And then we would need to get the Army Corps permit. There's gonna 00:59:29
be most likely a wildlife for habitat, umm, study that we'll need to do because you do have the June soccer and there, there's 00:59:35
some other species that we would need to make sure we're not disturbing habitat. So it's quite an involved process with when 00:59:41
you're. 00:59:47
Stuff out in the out in the water. So the idea is that as we construct and build out phase one, we would then, umm, start working 00:59:53
on those permits and umm, like the, umm, uh, the for technical reports that, that we would need to submit for, for the wetlands, 01:00:00
umm, and most likely we would be in a, in a spot where we would need to offset sweat lens. So anything that gets touched, you have 01:00:08
to sometimes I don't know the exact ratio, but. 01:00:15
If you, you know, impact 2 acres, you might have to umm restore 6 acres or 10 acres. So I know the Utah Lake Authority umm has 01:00:23
been working to umm to purchase a white land bank that umm city projects Li like this or, you know, around the link would be able 01:00:32
to umm to to to pay into and to offset umm the the the well and stuff. So anyway, there's gonna be quite a big pro process. 01:00:41
So tho those pairs are really cool, those are concepts umm. But the idea is kinda framing in the Vineyard beach and extending it. 01:00:51
If you remember the bigger beach right now with the length is about 300 feet. 01:00:56
This would make it 1800 feet. So a very umm lo long contiguous beach area, which is great because it provides a a big area for 01:01:02
people to spread out. If you've been a bike Bartholomew Park and and Springville, it's really nice. We go on a Saturday when you 01:01:08
have good weather. It's umm, you know, I think that is like it's like 2 two acres of surface area. Beach is small and it's packed. 01:01:14
It's just you're crammed together with a bunch of people. So that's that's and that was what we were through the matlastic plants 01:01:20
of water, the water from. 01:01:26
Uh, people wanted, umm, a lot of beach areas, they, they wanted to be piled up on each other. So anyway, yeah, I mean, you take 01:01:32
any beach in Manila beach or any lake or pond or something and it gets packed in the summer. So I think that this absolutely will 01:01:39
get packed if it's done right. I is there any worry that we might not be able to get those permits? Umm, I, I, I think we're 01:01:47
looking really well on the, on the, on the general, umm, permit for, for the uplands. That's still. 01:01:54
So the idea is that you, we, we would want the beach area to have enough depth that people can actually feel like they're at a 01:02:30
beach, they can swim. Umm, And so there's, yeah, there, there's quite a bit of, it's a really exciting umm, project and there's a 01:02:35
lot of support from the county, umm. 01:02:40
And on a state level, umm, it's just, you know, getting kind of the FSFL on arm core, uh, fo folks. Umm, yeah, umm, they're 01:02:46
agreeing with us. Provide us permit. Yeah, umm, yeah, for sure. And then, uh, the only other thing I'd like to, I guess see on the 01:02:53
plans is, uh, more things for like teenagers and young adults people thinks for them to do, like if there's a way to jump into the 01:03:00
water from. 01:03:07
A5 foot dock or something, Just something like that, like. 01:03:15
Uh, the city, it needs more things for teenagers and young adults because we have playgrounds, we have stuff for people doing 01:03:19
sports and stuff that you got nothing for some kid that's 15 by himself that has nothing to do except play video games at home. 01:03:25
Like we need more stuff like that. And I'd love to see that implemented in this plan here. Yeah. And we talked before when we did 01:03:32
the master plan, there was a lot of interest in seeing. 01:03:39
Umm, more of like a, a seaside style, umm, or like a lakeside style, uh, skate park. 01:03:46
We do have where, where the road vans Lake Rd. We do have that opportunity. It's about 2 1/2 to 3 acres of higher park space kind 01:03:53
of on the, the east side. And so that, that's an area that we would be able to program. We're gonna have the umm, the boardwalk, 01:03:59
retail, restaurants and stuff. There's the idea you'll go there for the restaurant, the atmosphere, then they go to the park and 01:04:05
then they're able to people watch and they have a great view down on the beach. But that, that area, umm, would be what you can 01:04:11
see, right? Kind of. 01:04:16
Where it says link Road, Lakeview Rd. that area is a good spot to program, but absolutely. So what, umm, essentially what next 01:04:23
week will be or the next meeting will be, will be at a site plan. It'll still be fairly conceptual, uh, because what we're gonna 01:04:30
be using the grant for, umm, is we have 24 months to, to utilize the funds, about $39.00. But even with that, a lot of, it's gonna 01:04:38
be grading some of the retaining walls and then putting in the trails. We, we do wanna try to get a lot of those. 01:04:45
Thanks. OK, sounds good. 01:05:23
We have a lot of vigilantes, Anita. 01:05:25
So the my question is then, so I just make your name please. David Blay, you have the stand wall you're going to dredge on the 01:05:32
inside of that between this and while the shore and keep that part deep and then put that on the outside that you look the link to 01:05:37
a thing where it's going to be correct. Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly right. OK, I have a question. 01:05:43
If you talk to anybody on Provost City, that's like what, nine years ago? They drive me or Provo Harbor, right? And then filled 01:05:50
back in within like a year and a half. 01:05:55
Yeah, it's just, it's probably so it's the same. It's the same thing with, uh, the Linden Marina too. They, they dredge it every 01:06:03
like eight years or something. Umm, but there's has like an access. And from what I understand if we're doing some kind of sand 01:06:09
saver thing with the engineer was talking about is it would enclose, not fully enclosed, but it would enclose the whole thing and 01:06:15
then the wall would have like a foot or two of water above the wall. 01:06:22
Yeah, but they, they enclosed that whole thing. Oh. 01:06:30
The minor dredging there every two years or so, Umm. And so I, I, I, I think it's one of those things that if you just let us say 01:07:05
you don't do much with that, then it's, it's most likely gonna fill in, but that will at least provide you kinda it, it gives you 01:07:11
uh, like, like some time that you can utilize that and then you're gonna have to maintain it, yeah. 01:07:18
And just just to accident umm, we've done a little bit of umm, asking around, especially with umm, Saratoga Springs. And you know, 01:07:26
they have some sort of a boat lunch place and they have to go through a lot of umm, permanent processes to even get that umm. And 01:07:35
that was over close to five years to get all the permits they needed to start dredging the area, and they still do to maintain it. 01:07:43
So it's, it's a process and, uh, we're willing to go through whatever it takes to get it done, done right. 01:07:52
On stuff where, you know, yeah, you know, and, and it's just that he has a spot where you can rent A volleyball or something. I 01:08:29
mean, I think there's ways that we could program the beach areas, maybe an area that's just more peaceful. It's where families can 01:08:35
picnic and whatnot. Varies with more activity, you know, from beach type sports and somewhere you can jump off into the water. 01:08:41
Yeah. OK. You got those. Appears pretty high. 01:08:46
Most likely we'll have for a liability reason, no diving, but I mean, yeah. 01:08:54
Direct gravity is gonna do it. Let's not do that. 01:08:59
Yeah. Thanks, Anthony. That thing looks great. I'm excited to see the plans go through more. 01:09:04
You too. 01:09:18
OK umm, does anybody else have questions and comments or anything for staff? 01:09:20
No, OK, I think it does. 01:09:28
Thanks David. Umm, I wanted to know if there's any, any other plan for uh, mitigation of mid flies and mosquitoes. I mean, it's 01:09:35
just been a continual problem down there and so. 01:09:40
In order to make it usable, we'll need to have some kind of control with that. So is that part of the plan? 01:09:46
All right. 01:09:57
Yes, Mr. He's asking about midge slides and mosquitoes. What kind of plan we have to mitigate that? 01:09:59
Oh, I, umm, I think we, we have that in mind to umm, make plans to, you know, help us mitigate that as we get closer to 01:10:04
implementing the actual, uh, park. So there are there are ideas to get that done. I mean, get some mitigation ways to make it, you 01:10:13
know, pleasant enough to spend time there. Currently there, there isn't anything that we have. 01:10:22
Solid to share with the public, but it's in the pipeline for as things that needs to be. 01:10:31
Yeah, OK. I think that just even deepening the water levels right there, it's gonna help medicate the the pest issues because just 01:10:38
the they, they. 01:10:43
Breathe in Stillwater, right? Yeah. So Stillwater. 01:10:50
Isolate that part of the water so movement there so that that may add to it. Suggesting. I would suggest that you involve an 01:10:57
entomologist and other specialists early in the plans. They help you with some natural ways to do that. 01:11:05
Habitat umm and then also deep deepening in the water. But yeah you're absolutely right. We we would need to to talk with those 01:11:44
those experts and I believe that Utah Lake authority is is kind of a group lake wide that that that is trying trying to take up a 01:11:51
lot of that on umm and so partnering with them as much as we can. I think this is gonna help yeah and I can definitely I remember 01:11:58
my first move to moved here and I was riding my bike in the lake and I saw this like brown like tornadoes. What is that I. 01:12:05
Like bugs in my, up my nose and stuff. So I definitely can, uh, alter your experience and we wanna make sure we account for that 01:12:13
so. 01:12:16
Yeah, yeah. Come on up there. 01:12:23
OK, I'm sorry Evans and your grasping it. 01:12:29
I have a question about Mother Nature. I wrote down to the lake today and Ave. Beach and the picnic table is almost in the water. 01:12:33
I'm thinking, OK, it's going to need to be on pontoons or what's gonna happen? We can't control another nature as far as the 01:12:40
amount of water, you know, we really have a lot this year and the snow hasn't even melted. It's just gonna that's gonna be a hard 01:12:47
a hard thing to take care of. And I. 01:12:54
They talked about on the slides that, you know, Huntsman's coming here because. 01:13:03
They like nature with all this building along here, those, those people who are coming here for, for treatment, they think want 01:13:08
nature. And if they see all this going on, that's not gonna be relaxing and healing to them. So that's something we might need to 01:13:15
consider because Huntsman is making a major investment and they're expecting nature. Does that make sense? Yeah. We, we reviewed, 01:13:23
umm, the, the, the waterfront plans with them and they, they absolutely love them And, and kind of. 01:13:30
We talked about was, you know, how we have this, it's not just that big swath of land anymore. We sort of broke it up so we can 01:13:38
program it differently. Umm, and then on that N pier, there's sort of a, another beach area. I don't know if you're able to pull 01:13:44
that up, Anthony, but uh, umm, there's, there's kind of a more, uh, secluded type type little beach area. And I think that that 01:13:50
could be a really nice kind of peaceful area with a lot of front master plan And I, I don't, I don't remember if, if you were a 01:13:55
part of that back in. 01:14:01
On the 2020 where I put my sticking out, yeah, there you go do the sticking out. So the idea was like the South end of the of the 01:14:07
city would be the kind of the more like really quiet, peaceful and as you get further to the north, there's more entertainment and 01:14:14
that type of uses. OK, that's how it was designed. But but with this type of such type of plan, so you can see you have. 01:14:21
It, it kind of segments, umm, areas of the beach where you could have, umm, you know, places that are a little bit more quiet. So 01:14:28
I think it's, it's a lot of that is in how we program it. Umm, but they, they, they absolutely loved the, the waterfront. That, 01:14:34
that was a big reason why they wanted to come with this plan. OK. And then to where is the bike trail on this that I ride on now? 01:14:41
Where is it? I mean, yeah, if you wanna show your own cursor. 01:14:47
The bike trail, so it it's that white one right there. It's the white one, yeah. So that, that that'll be removed and it'll be 01:14:54
replaced with a 15 foot wide. 01:14:58
Concrete or asphalt, umm, I, it'll, it'll happen to me. Whatever the county requirements are, because the, they're, they're sort 01:15:03
of the asphalt, they're, they're, they're gonna be the ones that do the maintenance on that. We'll maintain all the other trails, 01:15:06
OK. 01:15:10
And then you also mentioned access. 01:15:15
What kind of vehicles are going to be going down on that beach? Uh, maintenance. So yeah, we, we have, umm, for the most part. I 01:15:20
mean, I, I don't know if there's like a special party or someone wants to do an event, we, we might allow things for that. But 01:15:27
definitely it's not gonna be like one of those beaches when you're driving, driving your Jeep, I understand, but it's gonna be 01:15:35
like, you can bring your boat down or your wave runners down or, you know, I was just curious because it's vehicular, yeah. 01:15:42
With with this area, the idea was to do more non motorized within the BA the the sand saver wall area, and so you can see that S 01:15:49
pier. There's sort of another pier underneath, so the longer one umm and that actually goes down to the water area. You can see 01:15:57
kind of out the T shape Umm, so that'll provide an area where people kind of can off log Umm umm, but they umm, but but there are 01:16:04
ideas with like the lending arena that what we didn't necessarily want to compete with the. 01:16:12
Linda Marina but I, I know there are, uh, there's been a, you know, some, some consideration of like does does that area get get 01:16:20
get improved and, and add more, uh, ability to, to add more swamps and, and more access for, for motorized both OK Are people 01:16:27
gonna be able to walk their kayaks down? Yeah, absolutely. Mm-hmm. And we even thought about on the road like so we're, we're 01:16:34
building a parking umm of all up and down the road but trading areas where. 01:16:41
You could do like drop off areas or just designated like a 5 minute parking where people can UN unload picnic baskets, kayaks, 01:16:49
that kind of stuff. OK and. 01:16:53
Those parking areas, they're all parallel. How many bucks are you planning for? Like the 69 feet and the 77 feet and they're real 01:16:58
close. So we have, we have angled and, and parallel and then there's parking built into umm and into the umm, that's block six of 01:17:05
the Utah City Promenade Park. And then umm, and then there's parking kind of in the downtown. So we provided like priority parking 01:17:13
along the, the, the, the lake and that, that might be a good spot. 01:17:20
Designate a lot of ADA closer but then but we we kind of do wanna try to encourage what we can people to park in the downtown 01:17:28
downtown we're gonna invest in structures and still have them walk through so that that really does help from a sales standpoint 01:17:34
as well. OK, so but the the number we could we can check on the number. I don't I don't I don't know if we have that is that right 01:17:41
here So with that parking along that area are you gonna have time limits on that because I can see. 01:17:47
People who live around the area using it as an overnight sure umm, yes MO most likely we're we're gonna have umm. 01:17:54
Time timeline limits, we do have to be kind of careful because I, I, there's a lot of research that shows a lot of places in like 01:18:05
2 hours, but that's, that's not necessarily what you want when you're going to the beach and spend the day there. So maybe having 01:18:10
some, some 4 hour and ability to extend your, your, your hours through an app or something like that. Umm, so we haven't 01:18:15
necessarily thought through the programming of the Lake Rd. We do have a little bit. So that's something where we could, we could 01:18:20
put some focus on that. 01:18:25
All right. I think I've got answered my questions. Thank you. Thank you. 01:18:32
OK. 01:18:39
Doing good. Yeah. I have a question, please. Yeah. 01:18:40
OK, go ahead. 01:18:43
Quick question for staff. 01:18:46
I'm wondering about the power lines, power poles are there. Well, what is the estimate to carry one of those? And are there any 01:18:49
plans to do any of that? Yeah, we're, we're analyzing that right now. So it's not definitely not a for sure thing, but it is 01:18:56
something that we are in a process with Rocky Mountain Power, umm, and we're working with a consultant to see what, what the cost 01:19:04
would have been, what the process would be. That's another one that's kind of bigger. 01:19:11
Because, you know, I. 01:19:48
It it really does kind of take away from it when you hear the popping and the cracking. But still, even with the polls, I think 01:19:49
it's gonna be a pretty nice environment. 01:19:53
OK, all right, umm, we will move on to staff, Commission and committee reports. 01:20:00
Do we have anything from Commission? 01:20:10
OK, no, OK. So that's that. 01:20:13
Umm, yeah, just a couple of things. Umm, I Utah IPA, we keep bringing that up. Umm, if, if you guys wanna go, I, I know some of 01:20:16
you might not be able to, that's fine, but just let us know. We wanna, we wanna, uh, to do, we're gonna accommodate you and, and, 01:20:22
uh, that'll be on the city, umm, as part of your training. So we definitely, umm, look like for that to Cedar City. Oh, I may 01:20:27
yeah. 01:20:32
Uh, so that, and, and that's, uh, it sounds like it's gonna be a really great one. That's, that's just a area that's surrounded by 01:20:38
just beautiful Paris, like these fun things to do. Umm, I wanna con, you know, congratulate and give Anthony props. Anthony. He, 01:20:45
he has been working his tail off for us. He recently was, was awarded $120,000, umm, for the tag grant through mag, uh, for the 01:20:53
redesign of the Mill Rd. corridor. And it's not just. 01:21:00
So quite be 400 N and kind of the surrounding area and it wouldn't be taking out travel lanes. I just wanna make that clear. I, I, 01:21:08
umm, uh, but it, it would be making it safer for pedestrians and adding more bicycle infrastructure. We've done town halls last 01:21:14
year in that neighborhood and a lot of those residents are like, yeah, our, our immediate development is nice, but if we wanna go 01:21:20
anywhere, even walk into the megaplex, it's very scary. We're scared of our kids riding their bikes trying to get to school. It's 01:21:26
very. 01:21:32
Yeah, one of the people needs, yeah, one of the other day. And so, umm, and so making it the calmer, safer area with lots of 01:21:38
crossings, umm, good bicycle infrastructure and trying to get umm, some sort of a crossing at $400.00 across the railroad either 01:21:45
at grade or, or, or going, going over. Umm, but that's that, that's a pretty big demand. And that was actually in the 01:21:52
transportation master plan. They didn't really highlight that, but, uh, definitely probably what we're looking at so and also. 01:22:00
He umm, in addition to that. 01:22:07
It's a, uh, we got funding for a way finding umm, signage master plan for developing good trail signage that we go throughout the 01:22:09
city. Now this is for the planning effort, but what, when we get the plan in place and we start budgeting in our umm, CIP, umm, 01:22:16
for, for science and we start implementing that. But yeah, really exciting project that we'll, we'll work with the high school 01:22:23
advisor Commission on and the Planning Commission. And so most likely, uh, we'll start that umm, June, July kind of time frame. 01:22:30
So our department. 01:22:40
So yeah. 01:22:44
So from engineering for the work, as you had the pleasure of walking down, slowing down the transportation master plan summary. 01:22:55
We're also working on several other master plans, for example, the server master plan, the water master plan, uh, which is being 01:23:01
done by. 01:23:07
Uh, the same consultant that we find out we. 01:23:15
Our uh, uh, scheduling to have, uh, another presentation to Planning Commission. 01:23:18
To present the draft, uh, master plans through water and sewer master plan combined, uh, since they kind of go hand in hand point 01:23:25
those hand must come out, uh, as we say, uh, but in different percentages. Umm, So, uh, we expect, uh, at the next, uh, Planning 01:23:33
Commission to, to uh, have a presentation by hand for hours, uh, for that particularly, uh, and then. 01:23:41
Uh, in addition to those two of us, to those two management plans, uh, we umm, awarded the stormwater master plan, uh, to, so 01:23:50
we're gonna be implementing that. We're having kickoff meeting with tomorrow and tomorrow we'll have a kickoff meeting to that. 01:23:59
Uh, and then, of course, uh, Planning Commission will have the pleasure of, uh, hearing the, uh, draft findings of the stormwater 01:24:08
management plan at rated dates. So that's, uh, I know everyone there is waiting for that to happen, you know, as you receive right 01:24:15
there. But, uh, the, the great thing about that is with all these master plans that were being presented and moving forward, that, 01:24:23
uh, you know, the city is, uh, cheering itself, uh, for, uh, identify identifying, uh, the areas where, umm. 01:24:30
Improvements in enlargements and so forth need to be focused on, of course, capital facilities plans as well as the most important 01:24:39
way how we're funding those things being does impact fees, But in addition to those master plans, that's where moving forward as 01:24:46
well as recessing our utility fees as well to make sure that not only can we, uh, pay for, to pay for this, uh, pay to build the 01:24:53
improvements that we need, uh, for you because the development. 01:25:00
Also, it's your never properly paying for, uh, the operations that make sense and relative properly. You know, umm, that doesn't 01:25:08
mean he's always go up a diesel, you know, fees will be, uh, you know, either either they go up and go down or stay safe, stay the 01:25:16
same. And that, uh, we're ensuring that the best quality of life is being provided to the residents on that so. 01:25:24
And then we got some snow finally last last week, so. 01:25:34
Uh, we're expecting hope, we're hoping for some more snow because no packet is about over. If I'm not mistaken, a hundred, 120 ish 01:25:38
percent in Provo, uh, in Provo, UT basin, uh, has a higher risk. There's a higher snow water equivalency. So, uh, we measure snow 01:25:45
in multiple ways things. So, uh, inches and then water, snow water equipment. Let's see. So there's a great deal of moisture out 01:25:53
there And of course, when the. 01:26:00
Comes out, we'll be prepared uh for public works to make sure we re respond as we were last year ready to respond. 01:26:08
So that's the biggest thing I want to let you know. 01:26:15
Thank you. 01:26:21
I I mean, I'm personally. 01:26:23
Glad to know we're ready. I'd like to not be flooded. OK? Umm, in that case. Oh, we do have that. The meeting tomorrow morning. 01:26:25
Is that happening? The uh, what's it called? 01:26:37
DRC. 01:26:42
That's tomorrow. 01:26:44
OK, I. 01:26:47
UMM was informed that I'm taking a new position at work so I now have no time in the day. I'm wondering if I have commissions 01:26:50
volunteers at this meeting for me. 01:26:55
You got it. Thank you, Grace. And I mean feel free to take turns amongst you and get the experience as you have time. 01:27:02
Because it's, I mean, I mean it's essentially what we used to do here, which is approving the plants that they've just taken it to 01:27:10
a different setting. 01:27:15
Very cool, I really appreciate that. Umm. And with that I looks like meeting is adjourned. 01:27:22
Have a great night everybody. 01:27:28
Where is that house? 01:27:35
Uh, here. 01:27:37
Yeah, but. 01:27:41
I used to combine it. 01:27:47
So you need to combine it here. No, it's just OK. 01:27:50
Yeah. 01:27:58
I wasn't invited last year. 01:28:21
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OK, all right, we're gonna go ahead and call this meeting to order. Umm, we'll begin with the pledge from Graydon Osler. 00:00:05
We're done. 00:00:15
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:20
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:26
OK, umm. 00:00:43
Go ahead and move to public comments if anybody has comments to make about anything not on the agenda tonight. 00:00:45
Feel free. 00:00:57
Cool. 00:01:02
Looks like that is. 00:01:04
No comments for that tonight. OK, go to item 3, consent items. 00:01:07
Uh, approving the minutes for let's say 3.1 is for December 6, 2020, three 3.2 of January 17th 2024. 00:01:13
And then 3.3 is February 7th, 2024. 00:01:26
MF to approve the consent item, do you have a second? Second. Uh, excellent. Moving on to item 4. 00:01:34
Business item umm, is that a public hearing for the general plan update for Gold 2 technology element? Looks like we have a 00:01:47
presentation from Morgan Brim and then when we open up public hearing like two select after that for comment. Yeah, I see you can 00:01:55
open it now and then I'll put that and then just the time will come up and speak. 00:02:03
Umm. So this is a umm. 00:02:13
Uh, so yeah. So this is the general plan amendment that we had discussed in, uh, previous meetings. Umm, the City Council had 00:02:15
requested, umm, a, umm, an amendment to our ordinance. And umm, we had Chris Bramwell from the umm, Planning Commission that was 00:02:23
umm, assigned to work with staff, work with their city attorney to start developing, umm, the, the pro pro proposed language to 00:02:30
our general plan. The idea was to make it kind of higher level, umm, have. 00:02:38
Language within the job plan. And then as we start to adopt new technologies, umm, that we would be able to use this as kind of, 00:02:45
uh, guidelines for us, uh, most likely the city, umm, my understanding is interested in the City Council is interested in adopting 00:02:53
kind of a more robust policy. So I'm assuming you're gonna see that a little later in the future. Umm, and uh, I know there are 00:03:00
some bills, uh, like through the, in the state legislature, I think there's one that's being worked on that'll probably come out. 00:03:08
Next year that'll have, umm, kind of more, uh, requirements on a state level that only passed down to the the municipalities, umm. 00:03:15
So we have held a, uh, work session, umm, on this item in both Planning Commission and City Council. Uh, we did have a public 00:03:27
comment, umm, in the past that asked us to add to Strategy 5 contracts and contractors, umm. 00:03:36
And, and so, and so I'll just read out so strategy 5 to show that all current and future study, umm, contracts and contractors 00:03:45
include measures that protect sensitive data and dispose of it properly. So, umm, O overall, this is, provides us kind of guidance 00:03:52
that we are putting, umm, you know, the safeguarding of, umm, personal information and, and sense of data that kind of the 00:04:00
forefront, umm, as we work with contractors and as we, umm, implement, uh, technology. 00:04:07
When I say technology, they're, they're, umm, you know, we're starting to see umm, a lot of technology coming out, umm, to help 00:04:15
with parking, umm, there, there's a lot of apps and stuff like that. And so ensuring that we don't need to hold on to information 00:04:23
longer than that is necessary. Umm, and with the forward discussions, you remember that we umm, did discuss with uh, Steve Burup, 00:04:30
the development manager with that company that, umm, they do have some umm, license, uh, umm, information. 00:04:38
Is, umm, is license plate information that is, is gathered to help kind of ensure people that are allowed to park in the, in the 00:04:45
park structure have that the right and they use that through for code enforcement, but we also don't wanna have them holding on to 00:04:52
that information for a long time. So, umm, and then we would also, umm, kinda look at those same type of, of measures when, if we, 00:04:58
uh, develop our own parking structures and things like that. 00:05:05
Umm, you know, and a lot of the technology too. And I, I'd say like when we, umm, we look at some of kind of what's called like 00:05:12
the, the, umm, smart city stuff, we're looking at like things for the beach area where you have umm, trash cans and receptacles 00:05:17
that. 00:05:22
By that overall, umm. 00:05:58
Umm, guidance A as we do that. And uh, yeah, I'm assuming that runs are just gonna be a more robust policy in the future and 00:06:01
that'll probably align with the state code amendments coming down the line. So, uh, yeah, this is, this would affect, umm, goal 2 00:06:07
as a technology element of the general plan and add 3 new strategies and then amend, uh, strategy three. So, umm, any questions or 00:06:12
comments? 00:06:18
Great and. 00:06:28
Yeah. 00:06:30
At what point does the city attorney take a look at this? Is that purely once these strategies are used to actually create 00:06:32
municipal code? Umm, so they never look at the general plan or do they look at it at the time that it comes to the council? Or 00:06:38
have they already looked at? Yeah, they have already. OK. Yeah. So we, we have like a small committee. So Chris Brown was on the 00:06:44
committee, umm, and then Jamie, our, our council and then a couple staff members. And so, umm, we developed that kind of within 00:06:50
that committee and umm. 00:06:56
But yeah, as we start to develop technology, most likely we have our, our legal counsel, umm, help us in like reviewing contracts 00:07:02
and, and that kind of stuff to ensure that for umm, you know, safeguarding information about holding on to dispose of it. And 00:07:08
that's for the language and the general plan itself. These strategies do do they weigh in to say, Oh yeah, yeah, this doesn't make 00:07:13
sense? Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, yeah, I'll, I'll go into this get, get reviewed by that. 00:07:19
By the attorney. 00:07:25
Supposed to open up a public hearing. 00:07:30
Alright, 2nd. 00:07:34
Uh, do I don't? No, we don't need the No, not not the open. Excellent stuff. 00:07:36
Do we got anything today? No, you don't. You don't have to. No pressure. 00:07:43
Yeah. Sorry, Evan. 00:07:51
Umm, when you were talking about becoming a more robust for strategy too, what did you mean by that? Are we gonna have even more 00:07:54
strict requirements coming down as far as the technology is concerned? Yeah, Umm, that's, that's what I, I'm assuming. I mean, we, 00:08:02
we don't know until happens, but it sounds like this sets us up for umm, for an actual like policy that would have like detailed 00:08:09
information. Umm, I, I, I'm assuming. 00:08:17
We'll have, umm, a, a privacy officer or someone who, with a tech background right now we contract a lot of those like technical 00:08:24
services out, umm, but uh, you know, as we grow, most likely we're gonna have an IT person and they'll be designated, umm, you 00:08:32
know, privacy officer. What we're seeing is on the state level that they're working, umm, quite a bit on a, uh, a privacy, privacy 00:08:39
and just personal information protection kind of, uh, umm, law and they. 00:08:47
Up now, so we'll be amending that umm, so we would probably have to develop a more robust umm policy to align with that, with that 00:08:54
state strategy, the state umm code. OK, thank you. And then do we have a. 00:09:01
Companies that you're. 00:09:08
Working this through with already. Is there somebody, Yeah, well, Chris, umm, Bramwell, he's the, uh, the state designated privacy 00:09:11
officer. So it was, it was really great resource. So, so we work closely with him and, uh, we also met with, uh, a committee, umm, 00:09:17
it's, uh, Senator Moss is, is, is, is, is part of that. He's working on, on some language. So we, we, we've met with them and 00:09:23
talked to some other people, umm. 00:09:29
But I'm tracking with anybody to put this in place right now, uh, company, no, what all of all this will be right now is it'll 00:09:37
provide kind of the general plan. 00:09:41
Framework and it'll help kind of, uh, it'll make sure that as we implement technology that that's something that that we go back 00:09:46
to because we we use a general plan we make decisions we go back and go OK, are we aligning with that? This would be umm, the goal 00:09:52
that we go to for, for technology advancements and and implementation. Umm, but most likely I, I would imagine as we get bigger 00:09:58
and bigger that we would actually have like a staff member who's in it individual issues that designated officer for us. OK, well 00:10:03
thank you yeah absolutely. 00:10:09
OK, cool. Umm, and this would be a a recommendation to this example. OK, doing it that close public hearing before we make 00:10:22
recommendations. Yeah, you're good. OK, I move to close this public hearing. 00:10:28
A second. 00:10:36
And you'll need, uh, about an hour. OK, all in favor. 00:10:38
Aye, aye. Cool. All right. Umm, cool. Does anybody wanna make a motion? You wanna make the motion? I move to approve item 4.1, the 00:10:42
general plan update, uh, Goal 2 technology element for recommendation to the City Council. OK, do you have a second? OK, let's 00:10:50
roll call it. Yeah, this is roll call. OK, Nathan. OK, thanks. Bye. OK, I Graydon. Hi, Brad. Hi. 00:10:58
Thank you. 00:11:08
Umm but we have two 4.2 the GRMU gateway entry sign. Looks like we are gonna hear from Carla with X development. 00:11:10
Umm, for a gateway entry, sign along 400 N in Geneva. 00:11:21
That's not. 00:11:37
OK, uh, Carla Masa with X development umm, I think that cash has been gonna prevent today, but apparently he's not feeling well. 00:11:43
So, umm, I was not prepared to but the office. Uh-huh. So essentially the the McDonald's. 00:11:52
Umm, that kind of provision with the condition that in order for them to get umm, their building permit, that they would have to 00:12:02
umm, have a monument sign approved to climate Commission. So we are prepared to fulfill that umm. 00:12:09
And just click on that. 00:12:18
Oh, did I miss that? 00:12:21
OK. 00:12:23
Advise. 00:12:26
OK. And then? 00:12:29
I'm sure you're here. 00:12:33
Yeah. 00:12:47
Is it not just fine there? I'll raise it. You can just use it from the the the agenda. 00:12:50
Essentially it's umm, the monument sign is regarded as a sign that proposed for McDonald's. So to offset that, we are proposing 00:13:00
that location be a little bit farther. So umm, and on a diagnosed so that it can be seen when you're entering into vineyards, 00:13:07
they'll show it and then you can get it up. Umm, and just to tell you a little bit about the sign, it's basically a cast concrete 00:13:13
sign, umm, with the. 00:13:20
Front backward channel letter, umm, that, umm, well, obviously be a little bit nice. Umm, because Vineyard and uh, it's basically 00:13:28
that it is that it's good. Basically, you're right, that is correct. 00:13:36
By 10 feet wide uh-huh so I thought it nothing too fast but it definitely accomplishes the goal of providing a monument feature 00:13:46
and umm you're welcoming people sitting there any luck there we go there it is and it's glory so 10 feet wide 4 1/2 feet tall and 00:13:56
then it's just got the signage so and Carla this is on the. 00:14:05
West corner of 400 N Beaver Rd. which doesn't punch through all the way but it it sets it up for what it does. It doesn't have the 00:14:14
map showing the location on there. 00:14:19
It's 26, OK. 00:14:29
Agenda packet of that site plan. Yeah, it should be on an agenda packet, correct? 00:14:32
Is this something that could be moved in the future? Just looking at the map of it, it looks like it's gonna be quite a distance 00:14:42
away from the corner there. 00:14:46
The, the hard part is, I mean, it's, there's that you see, it's kind of a triangular piece at the top. That's all you got right 00:14:52
away. Yeah. And so we're really limited in where we can put it. Umm, you also see there's the, the monument signs for McDonald's. 00:14:58
That's, uh, can you hover over that #7 So that's there. So our proposed location is marching yellow and that, umm, McDonald's 00:15:04
approved that location. 00:15:11
Umm. 00:15:18
Or so when the, when the intersection gets umm, approved or improved, umm by UDOT that this will be the corner it it'll, it'll, 00:15:19
it'll be the first one right there. Do we know what the dimensions of the McDonald's monument sign are yet? I don't know. I, I, I 00:15:26
don't see there's the middle package for that. I don't, I don't know if they submitted their signed package yet yeah, we got their 00:15:33
site plan approval. Uh, so we're my only worry with the monument sign, the two of them being that close together and. 00:15:41
The vineyard sign being that close to the actual building is that it would be like McDonald's and vineyards, you know? And, umm, 00:15:48
we have that on average, we have a right, Yeah. And so I'm wondering. 00:15:53
Since this is advertising our community, if there's a potential for a variance to make it a little bit larger. 00:15:59
Because it's our community. 00:16:06
The cards are actually coming in from the the north side of 400 mills right. If, if that's the case, then absolutely. So I mean 00:16:39
that's gonna be where their eyes are gonna be more drawn and so that's outside the other side because that some more side is gonna 00:16:44
be like the the mural Linda whole deal yeah, I don't have like umm, I think yeah, it'll help ground floor retail and residential 00:16:49
above it. 00:16:54
So we'll have kind of a nice urban wall effect. And with this McDonald's too, umm, the code had them pull it all the way up. So 00:17:01
you know, it's a drive through the drafting in the back. So at least you, you can kind of like that Bergen wall on both sides. 00:17:07
OK. 00:17:14
OK. Has staff already approved the specs of the sign when it comes to the lumen count and the site ordinance that yeah. So that 00:17:17
what we'll have our billing official look at that, at that part of that. So that would be a yeah. 00:17:24
I don't have any other questions, OK Anybody else? 00:17:37
All right. Do we have a lotion? 00:17:42
I moved to accept the plan as presented. 00:17:45
OK. Do not click it all in favor. Aye. OK, Thank you very much. 00:17:50
OK, that brings us to #5 our work session. 00:17:57
Uh, let's see item 5.1, the Transportation Master Plan update we'll be hearing from Patrick James. 00:18:01
An engineer and when I guess we're having, we have some updates, yes, yeah. So as you know, the city contracted with sales 00:18:11
engineering to put together a transportation master plan and that includes capital facilities plan and intent fee analysis. 00:18:19
Umm, this is to help the city, uh, strategically plan our transportation needs, umm, in the most efficient way, uh, financially 00:18:29
and to help our community, umm, enhance our community. So Josh Gibbons and Ryan Hales will present their update. 00:18:37
Awesome. Thanks, Patrick. So Josh Stevens with Hales Engineering plug in. 00:18:50
Yeah, I see. I have. Yeah, yeah, I tested it before too. So. 00:19:00
Ship again. 00:19:05
Give me a little bit. 00:19:08
There we go. 00:19:10
Sweet, thank you. 00:19:14
Well, we're excited to be here today. Like I said, I'm Josh Gibbons. We got Ryan Hills here as well. 00:19:16
I think last year you, you may recall the came and presented when we were kind of starting on this plan. We're still working 00:19:23
through it and planning, planning to finalize things in the in the next few months. 00:19:28
Umm, we've had a lot of discussions in the last, uh, few months with staff and, umm, and others about, umm, roadway scenarios in 00:19:34
this, in the city as far as potential projects. And, uh, tonight, uh, we're, we're here to review that information with you, uh, 00:19:42
as a refresh. I know, umm, most of you heard that last year, but want to make sure you all hear it again. And then, uh, we have 00:19:49
kind of an alternative, uh, scenario to present tonight as well, uh, that we wanna take your feedback on and as we work to. 00:19:57
Finalize the plan we'll be presenting to City Council next week as well, uh, with the same information. And we, we, we met with 00:20:05
them, uh, individually this, this earlier this week about this as well. So, uh, if you have any questions as I, as I go along, 00:20:12
please ask. I have about 10 slides. I'll try to keep it quick tonight. Umm, so as a kind of an overview, umm, like uh, Patrick 00:20:19
said, we're, we're completing kind of four different plans here. The, the main one would be the transportation master. 00:20:27
Them so the purpose of that plan is to identify future traffic demand in the city and to look at needed, uh, transportation 00:20:35
projects. Umm, that would include Robey projects, active transportation projects and transit, uh, opportunities as well. Uh, 00:20:41
tonight our focus will be on kind of the roadway side, but we, we are also working on the others as well. Umm, the next plan is 00:20:48
the capital field facilities plan, which looks at the cost of those projects. 00:20:55
The and then the next to look at impact fees and you know how much we we we identify. 00:21:03
The eligibility of those projects to be funded by impact fees. And then we calculated impact fee that developers pay, umm, when 00:21:08
they bring their projects in. That would be, uh, you know, a per trip or a per unit, uh, rates that they would pay for impact 00:21:14
fees. 00:21:20
So just a quick overview of existing conditions, umm, as you know, you know, there are a couple of UU dot state roads that you 00:21:28
know are within Vineyard city boundaries. You've got Vineyard Connector, which was just completed around the band. There. You have 00:21:35
Geneva Rd. uh, shown in red on the screen here. The rest of the roads are city roads shown in blue. Uh, the focus of this TMP is 00:21:42
really city road because that's what impact fees can be used for, uh. 00:21:49
The, umm, those impact fees can't, cannot be used for state roads unless it's some sort of local match that that is required by 00:21:57
the state for a road project. So, umm, just so you're aware, the focus really here is, uh, those city roads. Though the plan does 00:22:05
look at the EU dot road to recommend potential changes and upgrades to make sure traffic flows as well through the city. 00:22:14
Umm, last time we came, we talked a little bit, a little bit about level of service. So as a review, uh, level of services, the 00:22:25
measure we used to measure congestion and delay. So, uh, in this master plan, this kind of high level master plan, we looked at it 00:22:32
at a roadway segment basis. Umm, it's based on how many cars a day you have on the road compared to a certain capacity. So just as 00:22:39
a general reference, uh, a three lane Rd. which is a 11 lane per direction with middle turn lanes. 00:22:46
That can handle up to about 18,000 cars a day. Five lanes can handle it up to about 37,000 cars a day. So we use that as a 00:22:54
reference and we identify A level of service, umm. 00:22:59
In general, level of service A through D is acceptable. So in this plan we've identified that for umm, smaller roads like local 00:23:06
roads and collectors that uh, we even said, uh, a better standard. I would say A level of service fee for local roads or level of 00:23:13
service C or better for collectors, if that makes sense. The bigger roads arterioles we would want to have LOSD or better, which 00:23:20
is typical for, for U dot and others. 00:23:27
So I wanna show you kind of the existing and future conditions of that level of service analysis, **** analysis. So just really 00:23:36
quick, you can see here that umm. 00:23:41
Overall, most of the roads show up as green, meaning it's a good level of service in the city. Uh, currently, umm, the one that's 00:23:46
pretty is somewhat congested with these in your connector. Umm, which is LOSD still acceptable, but congested, and U dot has made 00:23:53
some recent improvements there to make that flow, uh, better than it did. I think in that section, uh, West of Geneva Rd. you'll 00:24:00
see we have some red dots at certain intersections that today. 00:24:06
Uh, view perform at poor levels of service during peak hours. And so within this plan, we're looking at, uh, ways to, umm, add 00:24:14
maybe turn lanes or change, uh, characteristics there to improve the traffic flow overall. 00:24:20
As we go to a future condition, we've, we've taken the, the mag travel demand model, which uh, has, you know, land use 00:24:27
assumptions. We've updated those assumptions with all the known developments within the city to make sure it's up to date and 00:24:33
accurate. Umm, so looking at a 10 year horizon, umm, you can see that we have a couple more congested roads, which would be 00:24:39
Vineyard connector. Umm, and then, uh, center St. shows a little bit of congestion, congestion. So, umm, in these cases we can 00:24:45
either, uh, look at. 00:24:51
Vininger Rd. to improve the level of service, which in the case of Vineyard Connector, uh, Mac just this week, I, I believe, umm, 00:24:57
modify their plan to make sure they're planning for A5 Lane Rd. there, which would accommodate for, uh, you know, the majority of 00:25:03
the traffic shown here, which is a good, good, uh, but they did that, Umm, the other thing we could do instead of winding is to 00:25:09
look at other. 00:25:15
Umm, new facilities to take pressure off of UH-1 facility. So in the case of Center St. 00:25:22
We're looking at, are there other east, West roads we can kind of bolster or add to improve that level of service? 00:25:27
Uh, jumping over to 2050 conditions, kind of a 20 plus year horizon, you can see that with all the development proposed in the 00:25:36
city that, uh, with today's system at least, you know, we would see congestion on Vineyard connector, uh, all of it on, on main 00:25:43
streets, umm, center St. still as well. Geneva 1600 N. So within this, we're, we're propo proposing projects, uh, many of which 00:25:50
are already planned on. For example, 1600 N has already planned to go to five lanes, which would handle, uh, the. 00:25:58
In there umm and Josh really quick to uh clarify these are without any changes so so the infrastructure have built out with no 00:26:05
changes correct yes thanks Morgan so like I said there are some projects that already plan to fix some of these issues that we 00:26:13
will kind of reiterate in the plan umm with these volumes uh on vineyards connector with 50,000 plus cars a day that's you're 00:26:20
you're looking at kind of A7 lane road right you're you're beyond the five lanes where we we. 00:26:28
At least seven lanes to accommodate that umm mag in their long range plan. And I'll show that in a second. I guess they're 00:26:35
actually calling out that you, you may need even an Expressway type Rd. umm, which is higher speeds getting closer to kind of what 00:26:42
Bangor highway is today. Umm, it's kind of what that umm Expressway Expressway would be. So we've taken this, we, we have a, we 00:26:49
have a draft list of projects we're looking at. 00:26:56
And uh. 00:27:04
And, and, and we'll be kind of working through that. Umm, but as we put that project list together, which would include seven 00:27:05
lanes on Vineyard connector and other projects, Umm, and, and I guess one more thing to add, because of that volume up in your 00:27:11
connector, that intersection of, like I said, I don't have a pointer, umm, of Main Street and Vineyards connector with all the 00:27:17
volume there, you would need some sort of large intersection to accommodate that traffic, right? So which we don't know if we have 00:27:23
room for that at this stage. 00:27:29
And so because of that and other reasons, umm, because of, you know, the potential of seven lanes of vineyard connector, which 00:27:35
would divide the city pretty severely and make it hard to cross between the downtown and the South part of, uh, vineyards, we 00:27:43
tried to look outside the box, I think outside the box and look at other options. So that's what we're talking about tonight. Umm 00:27:50
is an alternative to maybe this kind of base scenario. Umm, So what's shown on the screen right now is the, uh, current mag plan. 00:27:57
Transportation plan. You can see that the uh, and I will get the mouse real quick, so I can point a couple things. 00:28:05
This makes a little bit easier. Umm, so you can see here that, umm, the red roads shown are kind of freeway facilities that 00:28:21
they're planning. The orange roads are expressways. The black lines are arterial roads. As you can see that they're planning on 00:28:27
umm, a potential Expressway along, along vineyard connection that would come straight down past the downtown through, through 00:28:33
vineyards and over backside 15. Umm, what we're trying to look at is, is there a way to not divide, uh, vineyards more than it is 00:28:39
right? We, we don't want. 00:28:45
Rail is already a division in the city if we're trying to think outside the box that other options to not divide the city anymore. 00:28:51
So the concept we're talking about right now with staff, uh, would be what's now shown on the screen, which is instead of taking 00:28:58
umm vineyard connector down and that potential Expressway down past the downtown and on kind of the 800 N alignment down here, is 00:29:06
there a way that we could bring that Expressway on the 1600 N alignment down on Geneva Rd. So we. 00:29:13
The benefits to this, umm, it, it creates a parallel route to I-15, which can take pressure off of I-15. Uh, it puts that traffic 00:29:21
on the outside of, uh, Vineyard Cities boundaries and down Geneva Rd. They're already planning Expressway to the South and Provo 00:29:28
to take it across the Bay at some point past the airport. And so in our minds, this kind of fills that gap and completes the, the 00:29:34
system. Umm, so we, we feel it has benefits both locally and regionally. 00:29:41
So to look at a little bit more detail, we've kind of developed these concepts on the left side and what, what it would be in Max 00:29:49
current alignments and current plan with kind of the bigger Rd. shown in the pinkish color, uh, around the downtown and, and 00:29:56
cutting through the city. Umm, and then you have Geneva Rd. as another major Rd. Of course, the alternative would be that instead 00:30:03
you would take that road, follow the 1600 N alignment and then come down Geneva Rd. 00:30:10
In either plan, there's going to be some sort of element of elevating growth to get them over the rail alignments. So that happens 00:30:18
in the current plan. It would also happen in the alternative, the alternative. 00:30:24
Umm, you know, would have more need for elevation to keep it above the rail lines that are there and umm, to keep a free flow 00:30:30
movement basically from that 1600 N to Geneva Rd. Umm, So it's not umm, it's not cheap of course, to do this. But overall we feel 00:30:37
that alignment wise and umm and you know, walkability wise for the city as a whole, we think that this could be a better alignment 00:30:43
overall. 00:30:50
Umm, the last thing here to look at would be, uh, potential traffic volumes, umm, in that scenario. 00:30:58
The one thing that you know, gets me excited is seeing that in this scenario, we think that it takes pressure off off of I-15. It 00:31:05
drops umm, I-15 by 15,000 cars a day by our estimates. Umm, it drops, you know where vineyards connector or this loop that, umm, 00:31:12
depends Rd. here, uh, where it was at 50,000 plus, we now drop to 30,000 around through the downtown uh, which is much more 00:31:20
manageable, but you can, you can keep that as A5 lane Rd. in this case and make it much easier for. 00:31:27
Experience across back and forth, umm, potentially there's a, there's a way to keep speeds lower to, to increase safety around 00:31:35
there too. Umm, yeah. So those, those are kind of the, uh, ideas. The other thing I wanna point out here is that, umm, uh, we're, 00:31:41
we're talking about a crossing over the rail that you probably know about at 1200 N to go into the downtown as well. That's a, 00:31:48
that's a key connection to take pressure off of, umm, this alignment too. 00:31:54
And then excuse me. 00:32:02
And then the, uh, we're also talking about a four, 400 doors, uh, possible connection to the South. 00:32:05
Umm, with that I'll get a drink and uh, any questions at this point I guess. 00:32:12
Yeah, I was wondering. 00:32:18
How, What? What have you got response then to this alternative idea? 00:32:25
So, yeah, we, we went with TDOT, uh, you know, a few weeks, a few weeks ago on this, umm, their initial thought, I think Ani 00:32:32
initial response was umm, umm, you know, a little bit of surprise, right? Umm, they've, uh, they've, they've built the vineyard 00:32:40
connector that exists today. And so I think, uh, you know, it won't be, you know, easy, I guess to convince them. But I think 00:32:47
overall we have some great reasonings both locally and regionally to umm, to go with this alignment. 00:32:55
As opposed to the other one? Umm, enough to you? I don't know if you want to add anything to that or Patrick to our discussion or 00:33:03
yeah. 00:33:06
So anything to verify the worst director? 00:33:16
Uh, so, uh, again, this is just a workshop, uh, to, uh, uh, Planning Commission, City Council feedback, uh, to get some feedback 00:33:18
and, uh, some direction, umm, as well. Uh, this is, uh, we haven't hit hit yet hit the public hearing portion of the, uh, of the 00:33:26
mass, uh, transportation master plan. Uh, but in regards to, uh, with the dot. And I know that, uh, they're constantly looking 00:33:33
away to help, uh, lessen the load off I-15 specifically and also getting. 00:33:41
And with the routes going towards the the uh, uh. 00:33:48
Very dri, uh, the, uh, any, excuse me, uh, I'm sorry, the, the driveway, uh, the, the drive to get to, uh, the springs and Eagle 00:33:55
Mountain. Uh, you guys are also looking into, uh, the South of Vineyard City and, uh, and Orem by uh, uh, through Provo, uh, the, 00:34:02
I think they call it the right shore Blvd. 00:34:10
If I'm not mistaken, like you Parkway, don't you like view Parkway about, uh, you know, extending that to make that AOI 15 00:34:18
alternative as well. So in that sense, what this would do is kind of extend that, uh, alternative northward, uh, along, uh, kind 00:34:25
of like an asset along Geneva and then provide like another alternative route, uh, into the Perry Drive Parkway. Yeah, thank you. 00:34:33
Parkway. No, I'm sorry. The one that goes out to Sarah's number 25. 00:34:40
There we go. I'm sorry, uh, uh, alternative as well. Now what do you got? Uh, what, uh, the weather you guys like to do as well as 00:34:48
like, uh, to do, uh, resonate about 45 miles an hour, uh, bus was a little connection, uh, and then of course this would provide 00:34:55
that, that type of connections as well. Umm, we're asking yeah. We're actively working with, uh, uh, the, uh, E dot and then all 00:35:03
the other people to get fi finalized. Uh, I I. 00:35:10
The property owners, uh, to deal with, uh, for this different Rd. ticket finalized design. But uh, in that sense, umm, the 00:35:18
question that, uh, the DOC always asks and then you wanna always ask is has, you know, hasn't been done through the, uh, uh, like 00:35:25
I said, let us play his bodies and so and such. And then when we kind of finalize a kind of get more of a solidified plan put 00:35:33
together, like for example, alternative plan here. And I know, umm, Josh is gonna go. 00:35:40
So it doesn't have any specific detail, uh, specifics about connections and so forth. And by the time we presented a public 00:35:48
hearing, we'll have a better understanding of those types of, uh, details as well. 00:35:54
Uh, it's a long explanation to probably short of to what should have been a short answer. 00:36:02
It's very informative though. Umm, yeah, go ahead. Umm, so. 00:36:08
Oh First off I love the ideas and alternate the 1st house corridor. I I don't know anyone that would umm disagree with that. It's 00:36:14
nice to have multiple rows to get there. Umm is this proposed Whether it's the current plan or the alternative plan? Would that be 00:36:21
U dot right of way or city right of way? The idea is that the alternative route would be a U dot facility. OK, but the current 00:36:28
plan as proposed is city right of way along $1600. 00:36:35
That that, umm, that is correct. Yeah. OK and I believe. 00:36:42
And Naseem just mentioned that there would still be, there isn't enough right of way right now in the alternative plan that you 00:36:47
thought would need to acquire it in order to make this work. Correct. But that's, that's correct. And specifically with the umm, 00:36:55
kind of those spots with the fence, umm, you know that that is not right away. Yeah. But as nothing says, there's already been 00:37:02
some conversations with property owners about that and they overall been favorable to what I understand. OK. 00:37:09
Yeah, umm, yeah. I mean, state wants to buy my property, yeah, but I I'm worried about additional costs there. I'm sure you got 00:37:17
has the money to do it, but because it is all within the city of Vineyard that will absolutely need to be part of the analysis. 00:37:25
The alternative plan, what would that cost be including ongoing costs, if there's any fair share fees that the city would need to 00:37:32
pay to UDOT. Umm, I hope that's just part of the analysis before we move. 00:37:40
Action like the other yeah great, great question that's something we still need to kind of discuss more umm that'll be worked on 00:37:47
as we go along. So OK, but for what it's worth, I mean if money wasn't any issue alternative plan all the way yeah right. I love 00:37:54
it yeah to tack on his question there, uh, would the current U dot Rd. they were to approve it the alternate plan with the current 00:38:01
Rd. on 800 N it flows around clicks on the city road or would that continue state U dot Rd. 00:38:08
Umm current conversations would be have been saying that it would stay as U dot Rd. but. 00:38:16
There's always a possibility it could change hands back to the city. Umm, Either way, I think you know, talking with staff you 00:38:22
know would be a desire to umm. 00:38:27
Make it more accessible potentially, if we can slow it down, if there's less cars, maybe we can get another access up. Yeah, 00:38:33
that's what I'm thinking. Umm, if it's, you know, it's hard to say, but umm, yeah, yeah, OK. It's it's really double edged sword. 00:38:40
Umm, when if the city acquires it, we have to pay for it. We have to pay for it, but then we have control on its development 00:38:46
happening on the other side. What we want that to be what protests are putting in. That's awesome. But then, yeah, pay for it. 00:38:53
Yeah. I'd kind of be curious to hear what some of the developers of this area think about this plan, because I mean, obviously 00:39:00
this cuts through the majority of your development. 00:39:05
Would you mind commenting on that? If if you if you don't have a comment, that's fine too, but, uh. 00:39:10
Like, unofficially, yeah. Unofficially, yeah. 00:39:16
Good. 00:39:19
Cool, cool. Alright, alright. Again. And just to add my opinion to it, I think the alternative plan is an absolute like no brainer 00:39:22
if we can pull it off. The alternative plan makes way more sense with the way our our city is set up. Yeah. 00:39:29
And, and I just wanna add some too. I, I, it's almost like I lost the beak in that alternative location. On that side, you have 00:39:37
industrial uses which actually are gonna benefit a lot from from being able to have direct access because one thing you were 00:39:44
looking at having a connection on Mill Road. And so, umm, because it is elevated on 1600 N that alternative route is that you 00:39:52
could have basically a direct connection and that would be a good truck route as opposed to having trucks go through the city. 00:39:59
Residential, that area up there is, is industrial, so it, it kind of uh, I, I think actually works really well. Some something 00:40:06
else to add, uh, when you're talking about the overpass for the track right there, uh, I feel like on the current plan going at an 00:40:13
angle there, it would have to be a much larger overpass than with the alternate plan just going at a nine like directly 00:40:19
perpendicular to the tracks almost. 00:40:25
Would be shorter, but yeah. 00:40:32
Uh, one more thing to add. I think it's important, umm, the alternative plan here used to be Max plan in some form or another, uh, 00:40:35
through the time where, umm. 00:40:40
Mac did show, umm, this road kind of cutting through this property area and up kind of like this. So we're, we're kind of thinking 00:40:46
their old idea and morphine as a fit the properties better in a way. And so, as I discussed before, just not recently. So OK, umm, 00:40:55
I'll give by two cents as well. I, I love it. I love the the alternative plan. 00:41:04
Again, go through the industrial district it would provide. 00:41:13
Better check access. To be honest, it would not. 00:41:18
Negatively impact our economic growth as far as people coming in to vineyards, give them better access and they would probably 00:41:23
actually want to be here because they didn't have to cross it. 00:41:29
A highway to get to what should be a really cool beach. But so, uh yeah, you have my personal support and hopefully we can get you 00:41:36
down on board too, yeah. 00:41:42
OK. Any other questions or questions comments? 00:41:51
Mm-hmm. I got your grip. 00:41:55
Umm. 00:42:27
Is there any more questions on on that? 00:42:28
Great. Thank you. Thank you, Thank you. 00:42:32
OK. 00:42:38
Uh, we'll go ahead and move on to add a 5.2 the Vineyard beach improvement update. 00:42:39
Yeah, looks like it's Anthony presenting for us. I'll do a quick intro for Anthony. Haven't he's done a normal job. He's kind of 00:42:47
up on the staff side has been a lead on our waterfront project. Umm, this relates to the TRCC grant that, uh, we were umm awarded. 00:42:54
Uh, we're lucky enough to, to get a 24 month extension to help us, umm, get kind of the, umm, the engineering and de and design 00:43:02
details and in place So the help provide the presentation tonight. 00:43:09
Umm, and in two weeks we'll have the official site plan because we, we already approved the master plan, but this will be more of 00:43:17
a specific site plan for the the vine or B chairs. You have the master plan that's 3.4 miles and then this is that that. So 00:43:23
anyway, without further ado, go ahead and. 00:43:29
Hi. 00:43:39
So uh, again, my name is Anthony and I will be presenting this, umm, the progress so far with Vinod Beach improvement. 00:43:41
So in this presentation, I will be going through the current conditions, just, umm, you know, also giving you that update and just 00:43:51
a little bit of the economic analysis that we've done throughout the process. Umm, so this shows the current condition as you can 00:43:57
see in the video connector is out there. You know, we have block 5, which, uh, is in the works, block five of the promenade, which 00:44:03
is in the works of umm, starting construction soon this year. Umm, the, you got, you know, great as well is going to be starting 00:44:08
construction. 00:44:14
Going over, uh, vineyard connector, uh, in the spot where I have it labeled and umm. 00:44:20
We have the site in its best condition right now. 00:44:27
So on the left of this UMM slide you can see the current condition of the Vineyard beach, which is pretty much. 00:44:34
Not much to talk about, You know, it's UH-15 for Hill, umm, that you have to go down to access the beach and it's not a lot to it. 00:44:44
So, umm, in terms of progress, we have completed a master plan which has been approved for the entire waterfront area. We have 00:44:51
also, uh, completed a wet a wetland. 00:44:58
Umm, the radiation umm, for the area, you know which flights it into the umm, appliances lowland. Uh, we have umm, completed a 00:45:05
phase one design process and uh, we have also been interacting with some uh, local, local contractors to have some quo quotes on 00:45:13
uh, what we intend to have implemented in the area and we have also. 00:45:22
UMM submitted a general plan to UMM FF. 00:45:30
SL and it's still in progress. We're in the process of working through to get a permit to be able to general permit to be able to 00:45:35
get, uh, going on that, uh, land. We have ongoing discussions about the aquatic engineering on the lower side of the UMM of the 00:45:42
plan, which is more to the West close to the water. 00:45:50
And we're anticipating starting, umm, you know, starting to move right around and construction late spring of this year. 00:45:58
Alright, so this umm, slide here is pretty much showing the true connection between our park and what umm, Utah City is about to 00:46:08
uh, put together the promenade and how it also connects to our Vineyard station. So it's gonna be a boardwalk retail very close to 00:46:15
the. 00:46:22
Umm, Vineyard Beach, umm, we're going to have the beach connect seamlessly into, uh, Promenade Block 6, umm, which is going to 00:46:30
make it umm, feel like it's been part of the plan ever since we have Bronson here, we've been working together with the Utah City, 00:46:37
uh, Bronson is a Utah City group and umm, we've been working together to make sure that our plans, uh, you know, connect 00:46:45
seamlessly with what they also have planned and umm. 00:46:52
On here this is still work in progress, but eventually what's gonna happen if you look at this slide is we're gonna have a green 00:47:01
loop which connects from the Vineyard beach area goes through the, uh, promenade, right all the way to the east side of Vineyard 00:47:08
was gonna be a park that's gonna loop back into umm, uh, Vineyard beach on uh, 1200 N so this is still work in progress and but 00:47:15
that's the intention for the future, uh, to have a very nice serene. 00:47:22
Loop corridor where people can run, walk and have an exciting, exciting moment, uh, throughout the downtown of our city. 00:47:30
So this would give you this a short video. 00:47:41
To give you an idea of how. 00:47:46
It will be connected. 00:47:48
Umm, so right from the the lake, uh, the, the Lake Park is going to just, you know, as you can TE tell, it's just flying through 00:47:51
the promenade park through the various blocks and it's going to lead you all the way to that retail center. That's umm that you, 00:47:58
you know, gives you a great connection to a lot of restaurants that you see around the ground floor retail. A lot of you know, 00:48:05
vibrant interactions down in this space. 00:48:12
So, umm, on this slide you see an overall, uh, plan that has been put together for the entire, uh, beach area is going to be 00:48:21
expanded more than it is right now. 00:48:26
So. 00:48:38
This video gives you a quick overview about of what we plan to do. We have the Lake Rd. being showing up there and as I mentioned 00:48:40
earlier, we have the project being divided into an outline scope and a low land scope. The low land is right below the wetland 00:48:48
delineation line. And we have, uh, where we have plans to have a multi use trail and umm, you know, we're gonna have various paths 00:48:55
that connect various parts of the park over to the beach pedestrian. Uh. 00:49:02
Well, we're gonna have, uh, various, uh, pavilions and, umm, these pavilion buildings are going to have, umm, you know, restrooms 00:49:10
and just spaces where people can hang out and have parties and all kinds of, uh, you know, gatherings as well as, uh, storage for 00:49:18
equipment to maintain the area. We're also, uh, trying to have a dog park, you know, play area for kids. And this space is 00:49:25
generally going to be one that could be used all year round. 00:49:32
One that we could, you know, probably say, hey, we have a park that's connected to a much bigger park, you know, that leads you 00:49:40
all the way to the umm, you know, umm, the venue station and many other parts, uh, of the downtown area and the city eventually. 00:49:48
We're gonna have peers, umm, that, uh, connect that allow people to have some sort of interaction with the water without 00:49:58
necessarily, uh, getting themselves wet as well. So all these are things we have in the, in the plan and the whole idea is to make 00:50:06
it as, umm, walkable and, uh, bike friendly for every user in the city and obviously those as well. 00:50:14
So this shows us some renderings to give you a good idea of how. 00:50:25
Umm, things are gonna look, you know, I can tell you it's gonna look way premium in person. You know when it happens. Umm, that is 00:50:29
a rendering of umm, you know, the kids play area. 00:50:35
And just to talk a little bit about the Lake Rd. across sections, uh, I have. 00:50:42
These three sections that I want to share just to give you an idea of the character of how the Lake Rd. is going to be in the 00:50:50
future, because that's gonna be demolished and rebuilt. Umm, as we develop all this, this concept, this side is more to the north 00:50:54
side, which will have umm. 00:50:59
The right away having about, you know, just one, uh, parking on the side, you know, we'll still have that 15 foot sidewalk and two 00:51:05
cars going umm, you know, uh, North and South with just 10 foot, umm, right away for the cars. And that's how it's gonna look 00:51:11
pretty much. 00:51:17
The middle section of the UMM Lake Rd. that I showed earlier is going to have parking on both sides which will again slow down 00:51:25
traffic, make it safer for people that are trying to even cross to the other side of the lake. UMM. Make it a more UMM you know? 00:51:34
I'm more, I'm more human skill friendly style, uh, Rd. where you know residents can enjoy and feel safe while in the park and 00:51:46
trying to cross the other parts of it. 00:51:51
As well, so it would have that kind of scale. 00:51:57
Umm, and on the 3rd part, which connects this area that connects to uh, Promenade, uh, block 6, umm, this one you can tell has no 00:52:02
curb, uh, or any kind of left to it. It, it's been designed in a way that would allow people to seamlessly cross from block 6 all 00:52:09
to the, uh, the park, You know, the Super ADA accessible it. It's actually going to be like one of the safest insert umm, 00:52:17
intersections that you're gonna have. 00:52:24
City because it's gonna, you know, have a slower Rd. We still have parking on the side of the road or have trails on both sides. 00:52:31
This is going to be one that makes it, umm, you know, a good one to, to wanna have. So as I mentioned earlier, the the, the plan 00:52:40
is to have it's been divided. The whole project is divided into two the upland area and the lowland area. 00:52:48
So we are get, you know, working towards getting started on phase one and the phase one has been divided into two would have, you 00:52:59
know, the first part, once we have the general permit, uh, given to us, would have, umm, you know, umm, our contractors start to 00:53:05
grade the land, just remove all the vegetation. You know, there's certain growth and things that we're keeping, but it's just 00:53:12
gonna be a lot of mass grade in and. 00:53:18
Making sure that things are in a, in, in a place where we can start, uh, construction. And in the same way, you know? 00:53:25
Phase 1B would have a lot of the backbone utilities and umm, you know, excavation ongoing would demolish the Lake Rd. There's 00:53:32
going to be, at this point, there's gonna be a temporary umm, umm, trail, umm, you know, put in place to allow people to still, 00:53:41
umm, you know, commute from the north to the South of uh, the lakefront and wild construction is ongoing. 00:53:49
And it's been planned, you know, we've discussed this, to have it on the north side of UMM. 00:53:59
The the the Lake Rd. where you have those broken lines. I don't know if you can see that, uh here. 00:54:05
That's whether. 00:54:11
Simply, UMM, Charles is going to be located. 00:54:13
Umm, we're going on phase two to develop, umm, the actual park structure, put it in a retaining wall, you know, bringing in 00:54:18
lighting and many of our amenities, you know, umm, irrigation for the turf and, you know, making sure we have, you know, you know, 00:54:25
preparations done for umm, the various building funding to go in and all these other phases following phase one are contingent on 00:54:32
the previous phases being completed. 00:54:38
And. 00:54:46
By the time we get to phase four, you know, once we start building or once we start phase one, umm, just so you know, we're still 00:54:47
gonna be working through getting all the permits and, umm, things that we need to allow us to get going on the wetland area 00:54:55
because that's a lot more permit process intensive. So, umm, we would get the, our plan going and make sure it's usable for the 00:55:02
general public and umm, you know, this is gonna be work in progress. 00:55:10
So, umm. 00:55:19
As we all know, it's the 15th soil hill currently to get to Vineyard Beach. Beautiful. I spend a lot of time there. Umm, And this 00:55:21
is some data that we've got over time. In 2021, we had about 23,000 people visit and this data has been gathered, umm, pretty much 00:55:31
shows that the average, uh, time people spend there is about 55 minutes. So in 2021 we had about 20-3 people, uh, 23,000. 00:55:40
Visit UMM. 00:55:49
You know, 2022, we had about 27,000 visits and you know, in 2023 we're getting close to 30,000 and there's still nothing there. 00:55:51
It's just empty beach where you can just go pretty much make nothing. So, umm, if we're able to make this happen, we're gonna have 00:55:59
a lot more trips over, a lot more people spending time there, a lot more people wanting to, you know, enjoy our downtown and spend 00:56:06
more money in our city and make it, you know. 00:56:14
Uh, better fraud development as well. 00:56:22
So. 00:56:26
Umm overtime a lot of people argue and I'm saying that capital, which is true in my opinion, capital follows people, People follow 00:56:29
place and place needs investment to make everything tied together and make everything happen. Umm the Utah City folks are 00:56:37
investing on, you know, have time for investing heavily into this area. 00:56:44
And it's going, it's definitely going to attract a lot of people into, uh, downtown area. Huntsman, uh, Cancer Institute is, umm, 00:56:52
going to be. 00:56:58
In our city, and you know, on the map there, you can tell where they're going to be located. Umm, that area is going to, uh, our 00:57:03
developers, Utah City Development Council that is going to bring up to about 900 umm, hotel rooms that would also have umm, some 00:57:10
extended stay rooms that would help cater for those that umm, visit the Huntsman and also people that just wanna visit Vineyard 00:57:18
and have a great time, enjoy our beaches and parks and all that Vineyard in Utah. 00:57:25
Offer. 00:57:33
So these are just examples of how umm, trade in good parts have benefited cities and properties. Uh, in a few places either, like 00:57:36
for example, from Dallas, uh, the client Warren Park, you know, doubled, umm, property values when the park was, you know, put in 00:57:44
place. Umm, there's one in Houston as well. 00:57:52
That has very similar, umm, effect on the. 00:58:00
Similar positive effect on the property values of, you know the area where the park was developed. Same way in Oklahoma City. 00:58:05
Parks bring a lot of value to our cities and I can't wait to have this hopefully built in our city. I can talk about this all 00:58:12
night long, but I'll let this video. 00:58:19
Play well. Umm, you ask some questions if you have, you know any that you wanna bring to the table for us to take note of. 00:58:27
Got a couple of questions. Uh, a lot of this hinges on being able to dredge or clean up that, uh, lakefront area. Uh, what kind of 00:58:40
feedback have we gotten so far from the state and being able to do that? 00:58:46
So we haven't, we haven't gone so much into detail of, you know, into that dragon part of things. We're working currently into 00:58:54
the, uh, you know, getting permits for that plan. We have set the intention, but currently I, I don't have enough data to share. 00:59:01
Yeah. So what we would do that now I see like the yellow area that you had just shown that that's the upland area outside of the 00:59:08
wetland. So that's what we would focus on for like the, the actual designing for construction documents. 00:59:15
Umm, and uh, and so we, we wouldn't be touching the, the wetlands right now. There's quite an involved process. So it requires the 00:59:23
general permit through the FFSL. That's a, umm, forcing fire. And then we would need to get the Army Corps permit. There's gonna 00:59:29
be most likely a wildlife for habitat, umm, study that we'll need to do because you do have the June soccer and there, there's 00:59:35
some other species that we would need to make sure we're not disturbing habitat. So it's quite an involved process with when 00:59:41
you're. 00:59:47
Stuff out in the out in the water. So the idea is that as we construct and build out phase one, we would then, umm, start working 00:59:53
on those permits and umm, like the, umm, uh, the for technical reports that, that we would need to submit for, for the wetlands, 01:00:00
umm, and most likely we would be in a, in a spot where we would need to offset sweat lens. So anything that gets touched, you have 01:00:08
to sometimes I don't know the exact ratio, but. 01:00:15
If you, you know, impact 2 acres, you might have to umm restore 6 acres or 10 acres. So I know the Utah Lake Authority umm has 01:00:23
been working to umm to purchase a white land bank that umm city projects Li like this or, you know, around the link would be able 01:00:32
to umm to to to pay into and to offset umm the the the well and stuff. So anyway, there's gonna be quite a big pro process. 01:00:41
So tho those pairs are really cool, those are concepts umm. But the idea is kinda framing in the Vineyard beach and extending it. 01:00:51
If you remember the bigger beach right now with the length is about 300 feet. 01:00:56
This would make it 1800 feet. So a very umm lo long contiguous beach area, which is great because it provides a a big area for 01:01:02
people to spread out. If you've been a bike Bartholomew Park and and Springville, it's really nice. We go on a Saturday when you 01:01:08
have good weather. It's umm, you know, I think that is like it's like 2 two acres of surface area. Beach is small and it's packed. 01:01:14
It's just you're crammed together with a bunch of people. So that's that's and that was what we were through the matlastic plants 01:01:20
of water, the water from. 01:01:26
Uh, people wanted, umm, a lot of beach areas, they, they wanted to be piled up on each other. So anyway, yeah, I mean, you take 01:01:32
any beach in Manila beach or any lake or pond or something and it gets packed in the summer. So I think that this absolutely will 01:01:39
get packed if it's done right. I is there any worry that we might not be able to get those permits? Umm, I, I, I think we're 01:01:47
looking really well on the, on the, on the general, umm, permit for, for the uplands. That's still. 01:01:54
So the idea is that you, we, we would want the beach area to have enough depth that people can actually feel like they're at a 01:02:30
beach, they can swim. Umm, And so there's, yeah, there, there's quite a bit of, it's a really exciting umm, project and there's a 01:02:35
lot of support from the county, umm. 01:02:40
And on a state level, umm, it's just, you know, getting kind of the FSFL on arm core, uh, fo folks. Umm, yeah, umm, they're 01:02:46
agreeing with us. Provide us permit. Yeah, umm, yeah, for sure. And then, uh, the only other thing I'd like to, I guess see on the 01:02:53
plans is, uh, more things for like teenagers and young adults people thinks for them to do, like if there's a way to jump into the 01:03:00
water from. 01:03:07
A5 foot dock or something, Just something like that, like. 01:03:15
Uh, the city, it needs more things for teenagers and young adults because we have playgrounds, we have stuff for people doing 01:03:19
sports and stuff that you got nothing for some kid that's 15 by himself that has nothing to do except play video games at home. 01:03:25
Like we need more stuff like that. And I'd love to see that implemented in this plan here. Yeah. And we talked before when we did 01:03:32
the master plan, there was a lot of interest in seeing. 01:03:39
Umm, more of like a, a seaside style, umm, or like a lakeside style, uh, skate park. 01:03:46
We do have where, where the road vans Lake Rd. We do have that opportunity. It's about 2 1/2 to 3 acres of higher park space kind 01:03:53
of on the, the east side. And so that, that's an area that we would be able to program. We're gonna have the umm, the boardwalk, 01:03:59
retail, restaurants and stuff. There's the idea you'll go there for the restaurant, the atmosphere, then they go to the park and 01:04:05
then they're able to people watch and they have a great view down on the beach. But that, that area, umm, would be what you can 01:04:11
see, right? Kind of. 01:04:16
Where it says link Road, Lakeview Rd. that area is a good spot to program, but absolutely. So what, umm, essentially what next 01:04:23
week will be or the next meeting will be, will be at a site plan. It'll still be fairly conceptual, uh, because what we're gonna 01:04:30
be using the grant for, umm, is we have 24 months to, to utilize the funds, about $39.00. But even with that, a lot of, it's gonna 01:04:38
be grading some of the retaining walls and then putting in the trails. We, we do wanna try to get a lot of those. 01:04:45
Thanks. OK, sounds good. 01:05:23
We have a lot of vigilantes, Anita. 01:05:25
So the my question is then, so I just make your name please. David Blay, you have the stand wall you're going to dredge on the 01:05:32
inside of that between this and while the shore and keep that part deep and then put that on the outside that you look the link to 01:05:37
a thing where it's going to be correct. Yeah, Yeah, that's exactly right. OK, I have a question. 01:05:43
If you talk to anybody on Provost City, that's like what, nine years ago? They drive me or Provo Harbor, right? And then filled 01:05:50
back in within like a year and a half. 01:05:55
Yeah, it's just, it's probably so it's the same. It's the same thing with, uh, the Linden Marina too. They, they dredge it every 01:06:03
like eight years or something. Umm, but there's has like an access. And from what I understand if we're doing some kind of sand 01:06:09
saver thing with the engineer was talking about is it would enclose, not fully enclosed, but it would enclose the whole thing and 01:06:15
then the wall would have like a foot or two of water above the wall. 01:06:22
Yeah, but they, they enclosed that whole thing. Oh. 01:06:30
The minor dredging there every two years or so, Umm. And so I, I, I, I think it's one of those things that if you just let us say 01:07:05
you don't do much with that, then it's, it's most likely gonna fill in, but that will at least provide you kinda it, it gives you 01:07:11
uh, like, like some time that you can utilize that and then you're gonna have to maintain it, yeah. 01:07:18
And just just to accident umm, we've done a little bit of umm, asking around, especially with umm, Saratoga Springs. And you know, 01:07:26
they have some sort of a boat lunch place and they have to go through a lot of umm, permanent processes to even get that umm. And 01:07:35
that was over close to five years to get all the permits they needed to start dredging the area, and they still do to maintain it. 01:07:43
So it's, it's a process and, uh, we're willing to go through whatever it takes to get it done, done right. 01:07:52
On stuff where, you know, yeah, you know, and, and it's just that he has a spot where you can rent A volleyball or something. I 01:08:29
mean, I think there's ways that we could program the beach areas, maybe an area that's just more peaceful. It's where families can 01:08:35
picnic and whatnot. Varies with more activity, you know, from beach type sports and somewhere you can jump off into the water. 01:08:41
Yeah. OK. You got those. Appears pretty high. 01:08:46
Most likely we'll have for a liability reason, no diving, but I mean, yeah. 01:08:54
Direct gravity is gonna do it. Let's not do that. 01:08:59
Yeah. Thanks, Anthony. That thing looks great. I'm excited to see the plans go through more. 01:09:04
You too. 01:09:18
OK umm, does anybody else have questions and comments or anything for staff? 01:09:20
No, OK, I think it does. 01:09:28
Thanks David. Umm, I wanted to know if there's any, any other plan for uh, mitigation of mid flies and mosquitoes. I mean, it's 01:09:35
just been a continual problem down there and so. 01:09:40
In order to make it usable, we'll need to have some kind of control with that. So is that part of the plan? 01:09:46
All right. 01:09:57
Yes, Mr. He's asking about midge slides and mosquitoes. What kind of plan we have to mitigate that? 01:09:59
Oh, I, umm, I think we, we have that in mind to umm, make plans to, you know, help us mitigate that as we get closer to 01:10:04
implementing the actual, uh, park. So there are there are ideas to get that done. I mean, get some mitigation ways to make it, you 01:10:13
know, pleasant enough to spend time there. Currently there, there isn't anything that we have. 01:10:22
Solid to share with the public, but it's in the pipeline for as things that needs to be. 01:10:31
Yeah, OK. I think that just even deepening the water levels right there, it's gonna help medicate the the pest issues because just 01:10:38
the they, they. 01:10:43
Breathe in Stillwater, right? Yeah. So Stillwater. 01:10:50
Isolate that part of the water so movement there so that that may add to it. Suggesting. I would suggest that you involve an 01:10:57
entomologist and other specialists early in the plans. They help you with some natural ways to do that. 01:11:05
Habitat umm and then also deep deepening in the water. But yeah you're absolutely right. We we would need to to talk with those 01:11:44
those experts and I believe that Utah Lake authority is is kind of a group lake wide that that that is trying trying to take up a 01:11:51
lot of that on umm and so partnering with them as much as we can. I think this is gonna help yeah and I can definitely I remember 01:11:58
my first move to moved here and I was riding my bike in the lake and I saw this like brown like tornadoes. What is that I. 01:12:05
Like bugs in my, up my nose and stuff. So I definitely can, uh, alter your experience and we wanna make sure we account for that 01:12:13
so. 01:12:16
Yeah, yeah. Come on up there. 01:12:23
OK, I'm sorry Evans and your grasping it. 01:12:29
I have a question about Mother Nature. I wrote down to the lake today and Ave. Beach and the picnic table is almost in the water. 01:12:33
I'm thinking, OK, it's going to need to be on pontoons or what's gonna happen? We can't control another nature as far as the 01:12:40
amount of water, you know, we really have a lot this year and the snow hasn't even melted. It's just gonna that's gonna be a hard 01:12:47
a hard thing to take care of. And I. 01:12:54
They talked about on the slides that, you know, Huntsman's coming here because. 01:13:03
They like nature with all this building along here, those, those people who are coming here for, for treatment, they think want 01:13:08
nature. And if they see all this going on, that's not gonna be relaxing and healing to them. So that's something we might need to 01:13:15
consider because Huntsman is making a major investment and they're expecting nature. Does that make sense? Yeah. We, we reviewed, 01:13:23
umm, the, the, the waterfront plans with them and they, they absolutely love them And, and kind of. 01:13:30
We talked about was, you know, how we have this, it's not just that big swath of land anymore. We sort of broke it up so we can 01:13:38
program it differently. Umm, and then on that N pier, there's sort of a, another beach area. I don't know if you're able to pull 01:13:44
that up, Anthony, but uh, umm, there's, there's kind of a more, uh, secluded type type little beach area. And I think that that 01:13:50
could be a really nice kind of peaceful area with a lot of front master plan And I, I don't, I don't remember if, if you were a 01:13:55
part of that back in. 01:14:01
On the 2020 where I put my sticking out, yeah, there you go do the sticking out. So the idea was like the South end of the of the 01:14:07
city would be the kind of the more like really quiet, peaceful and as you get further to the north, there's more entertainment and 01:14:14
that type of uses. OK, that's how it was designed. But but with this type of such type of plan, so you can see you have. 01:14:21
It, it kind of segments, umm, areas of the beach where you could have, umm, you know, places that are a little bit more quiet. So 01:14:28
I think it's, it's a lot of that is in how we program it. Umm, but they, they, they absolutely loved the, the waterfront. That, 01:14:34
that was a big reason why they wanted to come with this plan. OK. And then to where is the bike trail on this that I ride on now? 01:14:41
Where is it? I mean, yeah, if you wanna show your own cursor. 01:14:47
The bike trail, so it it's that white one right there. It's the white one, yeah. So that, that that'll be removed and it'll be 01:14:54
replaced with a 15 foot wide. 01:14:58
Concrete or asphalt, umm, I, it'll, it'll happen to me. Whatever the county requirements are, because the, they're, they're sort 01:15:03
of the asphalt, they're, they're, they're gonna be the ones that do the maintenance on that. We'll maintain all the other trails, 01:15:06
OK. 01:15:10
And then you also mentioned access. 01:15:15
What kind of vehicles are going to be going down on that beach? Uh, maintenance. So yeah, we, we have, umm, for the most part. I 01:15:20
mean, I, I don't know if there's like a special party or someone wants to do an event, we, we might allow things for that. But 01:15:27
definitely it's not gonna be like one of those beaches when you're driving, driving your Jeep, I understand, but it's gonna be 01:15:35
like, you can bring your boat down or your wave runners down or, you know, I was just curious because it's vehicular, yeah. 01:15:42
With with this area, the idea was to do more non motorized within the BA the the sand saver wall area, and so you can see that S 01:15:49
pier. There's sort of another pier underneath, so the longer one umm and that actually goes down to the water area. You can see 01:15:57
kind of out the T shape Umm, so that'll provide an area where people kind of can off log Umm umm, but they umm, but but there are 01:16:04
ideas with like the lending arena that what we didn't necessarily want to compete with the. 01:16:12
Linda Marina but I, I know there are, uh, there's been a, you know, some, some consideration of like does does that area get get 01:16:20
get improved and, and add more, uh, ability to, to add more swamps and, and more access for, for motorized both OK Are people 01:16:27
gonna be able to walk their kayaks down? Yeah, absolutely. Mm-hmm. And we even thought about on the road like so we're, we're 01:16:34
building a parking umm of all up and down the road but trading areas where. 01:16:41
You could do like drop off areas or just designated like a 5 minute parking where people can UN unload picnic baskets, kayaks, 01:16:49
that kind of stuff. OK and. 01:16:53
Those parking areas, they're all parallel. How many bucks are you planning for? Like the 69 feet and the 77 feet and they're real 01:16:58
close. So we have, we have angled and, and parallel and then there's parking built into umm and into the umm, that's block six of 01:17:05
the Utah City Promenade Park. And then umm, and then there's parking kind of in the downtown. So we provided like priority parking 01:17:13
along the, the, the, the lake and that, that might be a good spot. 01:17:20
Designate a lot of ADA closer but then but we we kind of do wanna try to encourage what we can people to park in the downtown 01:17:28
downtown we're gonna invest in structures and still have them walk through so that that really does help from a sales standpoint 01:17:34
as well. OK, so but the the number we could we can check on the number. I don't I don't I don't know if we have that is that right 01:17:41
here So with that parking along that area are you gonna have time limits on that because I can see. 01:17:47
People who live around the area using it as an overnight sure umm, yes MO most likely we're we're gonna have umm. 01:17:54
Time timeline limits, we do have to be kind of careful because I, I, there's a lot of research that shows a lot of places in like 01:18:05
2 hours, but that's, that's not necessarily what you want when you're going to the beach and spend the day there. So maybe having 01:18:10
some, some 4 hour and ability to extend your, your, your hours through an app or something like that. Umm, so we haven't 01:18:15
necessarily thought through the programming of the Lake Rd. We do have a little bit. So that's something where we could, we could 01:18:20
put some focus on that. 01:18:25
All right. I think I've got answered my questions. Thank you. Thank you. 01:18:32
OK. 01:18:39
Doing good. Yeah. I have a question, please. Yeah. 01:18:40
OK, go ahead. 01:18:43
Quick question for staff. 01:18:46
I'm wondering about the power lines, power poles are there. Well, what is the estimate to carry one of those? And are there any 01:18:49
plans to do any of that? Yeah, we're, we're analyzing that right now. So it's not definitely not a for sure thing, but it is 01:18:56
something that we are in a process with Rocky Mountain Power, umm, and we're working with a consultant to see what, what the cost 01:19:04
would have been, what the process would be. That's another one that's kind of bigger. 01:19:11
Because, you know, I. 01:19:48
It it really does kind of take away from it when you hear the popping and the cracking. But still, even with the polls, I think 01:19:49
it's gonna be a pretty nice environment. 01:19:53
OK, all right, umm, we will move on to staff, Commission and committee reports. 01:20:00
Do we have anything from Commission? 01:20:10
OK, no, OK. So that's that. 01:20:13
Umm, yeah, just a couple of things. Umm, I Utah IPA, we keep bringing that up. Umm, if, if you guys wanna go, I, I know some of 01:20:16
you might not be able to, that's fine, but just let us know. We wanna, we wanna, uh, to do, we're gonna accommodate you and, and, 01:20:22
uh, that'll be on the city, umm, as part of your training. So we definitely, umm, look like for that to Cedar City. Oh, I may 01:20:27
yeah. 01:20:32
Uh, so that, and, and that's, uh, it sounds like it's gonna be a really great one. That's, that's just a area that's surrounded by 01:20:38
just beautiful Paris, like these fun things to do. Umm, I wanna con, you know, congratulate and give Anthony props. Anthony. He, 01:20:45
he has been working his tail off for us. He recently was, was awarded $120,000, umm, for the tag grant through mag, uh, for the 01:20:53
redesign of the Mill Rd. corridor. And it's not just. 01:21:00
So quite be 400 N and kind of the surrounding area and it wouldn't be taking out travel lanes. I just wanna make that clear. I, I, 01:21:08
umm, uh, but it, it would be making it safer for pedestrians and adding more bicycle infrastructure. We've done town halls last 01:21:14
year in that neighborhood and a lot of those residents are like, yeah, our, our immediate development is nice, but if we wanna go 01:21:20
anywhere, even walk into the megaplex, it's very scary. We're scared of our kids riding their bikes trying to get to school. It's 01:21:26
very. 01:21:32
Yeah, one of the people needs, yeah, one of the other day. And so, umm, and so making it the calmer, safer area with lots of 01:21:38
crossings, umm, good bicycle infrastructure and trying to get umm, some sort of a crossing at $400.00 across the railroad either 01:21:45
at grade or, or, or going, going over. Umm, but that's that, that's a pretty big demand. And that was actually in the 01:21:52
transportation master plan. They didn't really highlight that, but, uh, definitely probably what we're looking at so and also. 01:22:00
He umm, in addition to that. 01:22:07
It's a, uh, we got funding for a way finding umm, signage master plan for developing good trail signage that we go throughout the 01:22:09
city. Now this is for the planning effort, but what, when we get the plan in place and we start budgeting in our umm, CIP, umm, 01:22:16
for, for science and we start implementing that. But yeah, really exciting project that we'll, we'll work with the high school 01:22:23
advisor Commission on and the Planning Commission. And so most likely, uh, we'll start that umm, June, July kind of time frame. 01:22:30
So our department. 01:22:40
So yeah. 01:22:44
So from engineering for the work, as you had the pleasure of walking down, slowing down the transportation master plan summary. 01:22:55
We're also working on several other master plans, for example, the server master plan, the water master plan, uh, which is being 01:23:01
done by. 01:23:07
Uh, the same consultant that we find out we. 01:23:15
Our uh, uh, scheduling to have, uh, another presentation to Planning Commission. 01:23:18
To present the draft, uh, master plans through water and sewer master plan combined, uh, since they kind of go hand in hand point 01:23:25
those hand must come out, uh, as we say, uh, but in different percentages. Umm, So, uh, we expect, uh, at the next, uh, Planning 01:23:33
Commission to, to uh, have a presentation by hand for hours, uh, for that particularly, uh, and then. 01:23:41
Uh, in addition to those two of us, to those two management plans, uh, we umm, awarded the stormwater master plan, uh, to, so 01:23:50
we're gonna be implementing that. We're having kickoff meeting with tomorrow and tomorrow we'll have a kickoff meeting to that. 01:23:59
Uh, and then, of course, uh, Planning Commission will have the pleasure of, uh, hearing the, uh, draft findings of the stormwater 01:24:08
management plan at rated dates. So that's, uh, I know everyone there is waiting for that to happen, you know, as you receive right 01:24:15
there. But, uh, the, the great thing about that is with all these master plans that were being presented and moving forward, that, 01:24:23
uh, you know, the city is, uh, cheering itself, uh, for, uh, identify identifying, uh, the areas where, umm. 01:24:30