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To order, we'll begin with. 00:00:00
The pledge from Grayden Osler. 00:00:04
Please stand. 00:00:08
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:12
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:20
OK. 00:00:35
Go ahead and move. 00:00:38
Public comments if anybody has comments to make about. 00:00:40
Anything not on the agenda tonight? 00:00:45
Feel. 00:00:50
Cool. 00:00:55
Looks like that is. 00:00:57
No comments for that tonight. OK, go to item 3, consent items. 00:01:00
Approving the Minutes. 00:01:06
Let's see, 3.1 is for December 6th, 2020. Three 3.2 is January 17th, 2024. 00:01:09
And then 3.3 is February 7th, 2024. 00:01:18
I move to approve the cons. 00:01:26
Do we have a second? 00:01:29
All in favor, aye. 00:01:33
Excellent. Moving on to item 4. 00:01:35
Business items. 00:01:39
You've got a public hearing for the General plan update for Goal 2 technology element. 00:01:42
Looks like we have a presentation for Morgan Brim. 00:01:49
And then when we open up the public hearing like to the public after that. 00:01:53
For comment, yeah, yeah. So you can open it now and then I'll print that and then just have them come up. 00:01:58
So this is a. 00:02:06
So yeah, so this is the General Plan amendment that we had discussed in previous meetings the City Council had requested. 00:02:08
A. An amendment to our Ord. 00:02:16
And we had a Chris Bramwell. 00:02:20
Planning Commission that was assigned to work with staff worked with their city attorney to start developing. 00:02:24
The the proposed language to our general plan, the idea was to make it kind of higher level, have some language within the general 00:02:32
plan and then as we start to adopt new technologies. 00:02:38
That we would be able to use this as kind of guidelines for us, most likely the city, my understanding is interested, the City 00:02:45
Council is interested in adopting kind of a more robust policy, so I'm assuming you're going to see that later in the future. 00:02:52
And I know there are some bills like through. 00:03:00
In the state legislature and I think there's one that's being worked on that'll probably come out next year that'll have kind of. 00:03:04
More requirements on a state level that will be passed down to the municipalities. 00:03:12
So we have held a work session on this item in both Planning Commission and City Council. 00:03:20
We did have a public comment in the past that asked us to add to Strategy 5 contracts and contractors. 00:03:27
And so let's all just read it out. So Strategy 5 ensure that all current and future city contracts and contractors include 00:03:38
measures that protect sensitive data and dispose of it properly. 00:03:44
So overall this just provides us kind of guidance that we are putting. 00:03:51
You know, the safeguarding of personal information and sensitive data at kind of the forefront as we work with contractors and as 00:03:56
we implement technology. When I say technology. 00:04:03
We're starting to see. 00:04:10
A lot of technology coming out to help with. 00:04:12
There's a lot of apps and stuff like that and so ensuring that we they don't need to hold on to information longer than that is 00:04:16
necessary. 00:04:20
And with the forged discussion, if you remember that we did discuss with. 00:04:24
Steve Brop, the development manager with that company that. 00:04:29
They do. 00:04:33
License. 00:04:35
Information that is, is license plate information that is gathered to help kind of ensure people that are allowed to park in the 00:04:37
in that parking structure have that the right and they use that through for code enforcement. But we also don't want to have them 00:04:43
holding on to that information for a long time. So and then we would. 00:04:49
Also kind of look at those same type of measures when if. 00:04:56
We develop our own parking structures and things like that. 00:05:01
You know, and a lot of the technology too. And I'd say like when we we looked at some of kind of what's called like the smart city 00:05:06
stuff, we were looking at like. 00:05:10
Things for the beach area where you have trash cans and receptacles that you know may only be filled to like 10% capacity, that 00:05:15
we're not sending the staff member down there to, you know, empty an empty garbage can. And so I'm looking at more of efficiency. 00:05:22
The city doesn't necessarily want people's information, but there are times with like even something like a library card or 00:05:30
signing up for, you know, like utility billing, like there there's information that we need to safeguard. 00:05:38
And then information that we don't necessarily need to hold on to a lot for a long time. So this will kind of provide that 00:05:46
overall. 00:05:49
Guidance as we do that. And yeah, I'm assuming that roads are just going to be a more robust policy in the future and that will 00:05:54
probably align with the state code. 00:05:57
Amendments coming down the line. So yeah, so this would affect goal. 00:06:01
Of the technology element of the General Plan. 00:06:06
And adds 3 new strategies and then amends strategy. 00:06:09
So any questions? 00:06:13
Comments. 00:06:16
Great. And yeah. 00:06:21
At what point does the city attorney take a look at this? Is that purely once? 00:06:25
These strategies are used to actually create municipal code. 00:06:32
So they never look at the general plan or do they look at it at the time that it comes to the council or have they already looked 00:06:36
at it? Yeah, they have already looked at that. Yeah. So we had like a small committee. So Chris Bramwell was on the committee. 00:06:41
And then Jamie, our council and then a couple staff members. And so we developed that kind of within that committee. 00:06:46
And but yeah, as we start to develop technology most likely we would have our legal counsel help us in like reviewing contracts 00:06:53
and and that kind of stuff to ensure that for. 00:06:59
You know, safeguarding information or holding on to dispose of it. I meant for the language in the general plan itself. These 00:07:06
strategies, do they weigh in to say, Oh yeah, this doesn't make sense, yeah, all of our ordinances get reviewed by the guy, the 00:07:10
attorney. 00:07:14
Move to open up a public hearing. 00:07:23
I second. 00:07:27
Do we vote no not not to open? 00:07:30
Do we got anything? 00:07:36
To get anything today, No you don't. You don't have to. No pressure. 00:07:37
Yeah, Daria Evans resident. 00:07:43
When you were talking about becoming a more robust? 00:07:47
For. 00:07:51
What did you mean by that? Are we going to have even more strict requirements? 00:07:52
Coming down as far as this technology is concerned, yeah, that's that's what I'm assuming. I mean we don't know until it happens, 00:07:58
but but it sounds like this sets us up. 00:08:03
For for an actual like policy that would have like detailed information, I'm assuming that we'll have. 00:08:09
A privacy officer or someone who with a tech background right now we contract a lot of those like technical services out. But you 00:08:19
know, as we grow, most likely we're going to have an IT person and they'll be the designated, you know, privacy officer. What 00:08:25
we're seeing is on the state level that they're working quite a bit on a privacy, privacy and just personal information protection 00:08:31
kind of. 00:08:38
Law. 00:08:45
And they have some stuff now. So to be amending that, so we would probably have to develop a more robust policy to align with 00:08:46
that, with that state strategy, the state. 00:08:51
OK. Thank you. And then do we have. 00:08:57
Company. 00:09:01
Working this through with. 00:09:04
Is there somebody? Yeah. Well, Chris Brown, well he's the the state designated privacy officer. So it was really great resource. 00:09:06
So, so we worked closely with him and we also met with a committee. 00:09:12
It's a senator. Moss is part of that and he's working on on some language. So we we've we've met with them and talked to some 00:09:19
other people. 00:09:23
But contracting with anybody to put this in place right now, company no, all this will do right now is it'll provide kind of the 00:09:29
general plan framework. 00:09:34
And it'll help kind of it'll make sure that as we implement technology that that's something that that we go back to because we 00:09:40
use a general plan, we make decisions, we go back, we go, OK, are we aligning with that? This would be the goal that we go to for 00:09:46
for technology advancements and implementation. But most likely, I would imagine as we get bigger and bigger that we would 00:09:52
actually have like a staff member who's an IT individual who's designated. 00:09:58
Officer for us. OK. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. 00:10:05
OK. 00:10:16
And this would be a recommendation to the City Council. 00:10:18
OK, doing You did close public hearing before I make a recommendation, Yeah. OK, I move to close this public hearing. 00:10:21
I. 00:10:29
And you'll need a vote on that one. OK, all in. 00:10:31
Aye, cool. 00:10:34
Cool. Does anybody want to make a motion? You want to make the motion? I move to approve item 4.1, The General Plan Update Goal 2. 00:10:39
Technology element for recommendation to the City Council. 00:10:44
Do we have a second? 00:10:50
OK. Is this roll caller? Yeah, this is roll call. OK, Nathan. Hi Bryce. Hi Tay, I Graydon. Brad. 00:10:52
Thank you. 00:11:01
Moving on to 4.2 the GRM. 00:11:03
Gateway entry sign looks like we are going to hear from Carla with X Development. 00:11:07
For a gateway entry sign along 400 N in Geneva. 00:11:15
I do. 00:11:25
I have not. 00:11:29
OK. Carla Mata with Ex Develop. 00:11:36
I think that cash was going to present today, but apparently he's. 00:11:41
Not feeling well, so I was not prepared for this, but we got this. 00:11:45
So essentially the the McDonald's site plan approval came with a condition that in order for them to get. 00:11:52
Their building permit that they would have. 00:11:59
Have a monument sign approved through Planning Commission. So we are here to fulfill that. 00:12:02
Just click on that. Oh, did I miss that? 00:12:09
Add device. 00:12:18
OK. 00:12:21
Yeah. 00:12:27
Just give it a minute. 00:12:33
No idea. 00:12:39
Is it not just on there already that you can just use it from the the submittal, the agenda? 00:12:44
Essentially. 00:12:53
The monument sign is There's already a sign that's proposed for McDonald's. 00:12:55
So to offset that, we're proposing the location be a little bit farther South and on a diagonal so that it can be seen when you're 00:12:59
entering into Vineyard. You'll show as soon as we can get it up. 00:13:06
And just to tell you a little bit about the sign, it's basically a cast concrete sign. 00:13:13
With the front and backlit channel letter. 00:13:18
That will obviously be a little bit nice, it says Vineyard. 00:13:24
It's basically that it is that basically you're right. That is correct. 00:13:32
By 10 feet wide. 00:13:38
So that's about it. 00:13:42
Nothing's too fancy, but it definitely accomplishes the goal. 00:13:45
Providing a monument feature. 00:13:49
You're welcoming people to Vineyard. Any luck? There we go. 00:13:52
There it is. 00:13:56
Miss. 00:13:57
So 10 feet wide. 00:13:59
4 1/2 feet tall and then it's just got the signage. 00:14:01
And Carla, this is on the southwest corner of 400 N and Genevieve Rd. which doesn't punch through all the way, but it sets it up 00:14:05
for when it does, it'll does it have the map showing the location? 00:14:10
Age 26. 00:14:22
Agenda packet has that site plan. Yeah, it should be on the agenda packet, correct? 00:14:24
Is this something that could be moved in the future? Just looking at that map of it, it looks like it's. 00:14:34
Quite a distance away from the corner there. 00:14:41
Yeah. The hard part is, I mean it's there's that you see it's kind of a triangular piece up at the top. That's all you dot right 00:14:44
away. And so we're really limited in where we can put it. 00:14:49
You also see there's the monument signed for McDonald's That's up. Can you hover over that #7? So that's there. So our proposed 00:14:56
location is marked in yellow and. 00:15:01
McDonald's approved that location. 00:15:08
For the so when the intersection gets approved or improved. 00:15:11
By UDA that this will be the corner. It'll it'll be the hard corner right there. Do we know what the dimensions of the McDonald's 00:15:17
monument sign are yet? 00:15:21
I don't know. I I didn't see their submittal package for that. I don't know if they've submitted their sign package yet. 00:15:26
Yeah, we got their site plan approval. So we're my only worry with the monument sign, the two of them being that close together 00:15:33
and the Vineyard sign being that close to the actual building is that it will be like McDonald's in Vineyard, you know? 00:15:40
And we have that of Maverick too. We have, right? And so I'm wondering, since this is advertising our community. 00:15:47
If there's a potential for a variance to make it a little bit larger. 00:15:54
Since it's our. 00:15:59
I don't know within the code if it allows us to, if that's one of the necessary findings to allow for a variance saying because we 00:16:01
want it, right. So this kind of fulfills the standard for there to be a gateway feature. I don't think there's really anything 00:16:07
defined. I mean if the applicants were willing to go, I mean you could ask Carla and. 00:16:13
If you're right, if you're willing to go larger, my understanding is that we were going to address something that was a little 00:16:20
more wow on the Northside of that intersection where with the mixed-use building, correct. Because the cars are actually coming in 00:16:27
from the north side of 400 N, right. If that's the case, then absolutely. I mean that's going to be where their eyes are going to 00:16:34
be more drawn than to the South side. On the other side, yeah, I don't have like I think. 00:16:41
Yeah, it'll help ground floor retail and then residential above it. 00:16:48
So it'll have kind of a nice urban wall effect. And with this McDonald's too, the code had them pull it all the way up. So you 00:16:54
know, it's a drive through, the drive through in the back. So at least you you get kind of like that urban wall on both sides. 00:16:59
OK. 00:17:07
Has staff already approved the specs of the sign when it comes to? 00:17:10
Lumen count and it satisfies the light ordinance and everything. Yeah. So that we'll have our building official look at that at 00:17:15
that part of it. So that would be that comes at the time of building permit. Yeah. OK, great. 00:17:20
I don't have any other. 00:17:29
OK. Anybody. 00:17:31
All right. Do we have a motion? 00:17:34
I move to accept the plan as presented. 00:17:38
OK. 00:17:43
Second all in favor, aye? 00:17:44
OK. Thank you. 00:17:47
OK, that brings us to #5 our work. 00:17:49
Let's see item 5.1, the Transportation Master Plan update. 00:17:54
We'll be hearing from Patrick James. 00:18:00
An engineer. 00:18:03
And when, I guess we're heavy, we have some. 00:18:05
Yeah. Yeah. So as you know, the city contracted with Hale's Engineering to put together a transportation master plan and that 00:18:09
includes a capital facilities plan and impact fee analysis. 00:18:15
This is just to help the city strategically plan our transportation needs in the most efficient way. 00:18:21
Financially. 00:18:29
Help our community. 00:18:30
Enhance our. 00:18:32
So Josh Gibbons and Ryan Hills will present their. 00:18:34
Awesome. Thanks Patrick. So Josh Gibbons with Hales engine. 00:18:43
Just plug in. 00:18:46
Yeah, I have. Yeah, yeah. I tested it before too so. 00:18:53
Should be good. 00:18:58
There we go. 00:19:03
Sweet. Thank. 00:19:07
Well, we're excited to be here today. Like I said, I'm Josh Gibbons. We've got Ryan Hills here as well. 00:19:09
I think last year you may recall, we came and presented when we were kind of starting on this plan. 00:19:15
We're still working through it and planning to finalize things in the next few months. 00:19:21
We've had a lot of discussions in the last few months with staff and others about. 00:19:27
Roadway scenarios in the city as far as potential projects. 00:19:34
And tonight, we're here to review that information with you as a refresh. I know. 00:19:38
Most of you heard that last year, but. 00:19:45
Want to make sure you all hear? 00:19:47
And then we have kind of an alternative scenario to present tonight as well that we want to get your feedback on and. 00:19:49
As we work to finalize the. 00:19:56
We'll be presenting to City Council next week as well with this same information and we we met with them. 00:19:59
Individually this this earlier this week about this as well. 00:20:05
If you have any questions as I go along, please ask. I have about 10 slides. I'll try to keep it quick tonight. 00:20:10
So as kind of an overview. 00:20:17
Like Patrick said we're we're completing kind of four different plans here the the main one would be. 00:20:20
Transportation master. 00:20:26
So the purpose of that plan is to identify future traffic demand in the city. 00:20:28
And to look at needed transportation projects that would include roadway projects. 00:20:33
Active transportation projects and transit opportunities as. 00:20:39
Tonight our focus will be on kind of the roadway. 00:20:43
But we are also working on the others as well. 00:20:46
The next plan is the capital facilities plan. 00:20:50
Which looks at the cost of those projects. 00:20:52
And then the next two, look at impact fees and how we identify the eligibility of those projects to be funded by impact fees. 00:20:55
And then we calculated impact fee that developers pay when they bring their projects in. 00:21:05
That would be, you know, a per trip or a per unit rate that they would pay for impact fees. 00:21:11
So just a quick overview of existing conditions. As you know, there are a couple of U dot state roads that you know are within 00:21:20
Vineyard City boundaries. You've got Vineyard Connector. 00:21:27
Which was just completed around the bend there. 00:21:34
We have Geneva. 00:21:36
Shown in red on the screen here. The rest of the roads are city roads shown in blue. 00:21:38
The focus of this TMP is really city roads, because that's what impact fees can be used for. 00:21:43
Typically. 00:21:49
Those impact fees can't cannot be used for state roads unless it's some sort of local match that that is required by the state for 00:21:51
a road project. 00:21:56
So just so you're aware, the focus really here. 00:22:01
Those city roads, though? The plan does look at the UDOT roads. 00:22:05
Recommend potential changes and upgrades to make sure traffic flows well through. 00:22:09
Last time we came we talked a little bit about level of service, so as. 00:22:17
Review level of services, the measure we use to measure congestion and delay. 00:22:21
So in this master plan, this kind of high level master plan, we look at it at a roadway segment basis. 00:22:27
It's based on how many cars a day you have on the road compared to a certain capacity, so. 00:22:35
Just as a general reference, a three lane Rd. which is a 11 lane per direction with middle turn. 00:22:40
That can handle up to about 18,000 cars a day. Five lanes can handle up to about 37,000. 00:22:46
Cars a day. 00:22:53
We use that as a reference and we identify a level of service. 00:22:54
In general, level of service A through D is. 00:22:58
Though in this plan we've identified that for. 00:23:02
Smaller roads like local roads and collectors that we even set a better standard, I would say of level of service B for local 00:23:06
roads. 00:23:11
Or level of service C or better for collectors, if that makes sense, The bigger roads Arterioles. 00:23:16
We would want to have LSD or better, which is typical for udot and others. 00:23:22
So I want to show you kind of the existing and future conditions of that level of service analysis, so. 00:23:29
Just really quick, you can see here that. 00:23:36
Overall, most of the roads show up as green, meaning it's a good level of service in the city currently. 00:23:39
The one that's pretty is somewhat congested would be Vineyard Connect. 00:23:46
Which is LOSD still acceptable but congested. 00:23:50
And UDOT has made some recent improvements there to make that flow better than it did, I think, in that section West of Geneva Rd. 00:23:54
You'll see we have some red dots at certain intersections that today. 00:24:02
Do perform at poor levels of service during the peak hours. 00:24:06
And so within this plan, we're looking at ways to add maybe turn lanes or change characteristics there to improve the traffic flow 00:24:10
overall. 00:24:14
As we go to a future condition, we've taken the. 00:24:20
The mag travel demand. 00:24:23
Which has, you know, land use assumptions. We've updated those assumptions with all the known developments within the city to make 00:24:25
sure it's up to date and accurate. 00:24:29
So looking at a 10 year horizon you can see. 00:24:34
We have a couple more congested roads which would be vineyard connector. 00:24:38
And then Center St. shows a little bit of congestion, Congestion. 00:24:42
In these cases, we can either look at widening the road to improve the level of service. 00:24:47
Which in the case of Vineyard connector mag, just this week I believe. 00:24:53
Modify their plan to make sure they're planning for A5 Lane Rd. there, which would accommodate for, you know, the majority of the 00:24:59
traffic shown here, which is a good, good, good they did that. 00:25:04
The other thing we could do instead of whining is to look at. 00:25:11
New facilities to take pressure off of. 00:25:15
One facility, so in the case of center. 00:25:17
We're looking at, are there other east, West roads we can kind of bolster or add to improve that level of service? 00:25:20
Jumping over to 2050 conditions, kind of a 20 plus year horizon. 00:25:29
You can see that with all the development proposed in the city. 00:25:33
With today's system, at least you know we would see congestion on Vineyard Connector. 00:25:36
A little bit on Main Street. 00:25:42
Center St. Still as well. Geneva, 1600. 00:25:44
So within this we're proposing projects, many of which are already planned on. For example, 1600 N has already planned to go to 00:25:48
five lanes which would handle. 00:25:53
The volume there. 00:25:58
And Josh really quick to clar. 00:25:59
These are without any changes so. 00:26:02
Infrastructure at build out with no changes, correct? 00:26:06
Thanks, Morgan. So like I said, there are some projects that already plan to fix some of these issues that we will kind of 00:26:10
reiterate into plan. 00:26:13
With these volumes on Vineyard Connector with 50,000 plus cars a day. 00:26:17
That's you're looking at kind of A7 lane road, right? You're beyond the five lanes where we would need at least seven lanes to 00:26:22
accommodate that. 00:26:26
Mag in their long range plan and I'll show that in a second. I guess they're actually calling out that. 00:26:31
You may need even an Expressway type Rd. which is higher speeds. Getting closer to kind of what Bangor Highway is today is kind of 00:26:37
what that Expressway Expressway would be. 00:26:44
So we've taken this. We have a draft list of projects we're looking at. 00:26:51
And. 00:26:57
We'll be kind of working through that. 00:27:00
But as we put that project list together, which would include seven lanes on Vineyard Connector and other projects. 00:27:02
And I guess one more thing to add, because of that volume on Vineyard connector that intersection of. 00:27:09
Like I said, I don't have a pointer of Main Street and Vineyard Connector with all the volume there, you would need some sort of 00:27:14
large intersection to accommodate that traffic, right? So. 00:27:20
Which we don't know if we have room for that at this. 00:27:25
And so because of that and other reasons. 00:27:28
Because of, you know, the potential of seven lanes on Vineyard Connector, which would divide the city pretty severely and make it 00:27:32
hard to cross between the downtown and the South part of Vineyard. 00:27:37
We try to look outside the box, I think outside the box and look at other options and so that's what we're talking about tonight. 00:27:42
Is an alternative to maybe this kind of base scenario? 00:27:48
So what's shown on the screen right now is the current mag plan, the regional transportation plan. 00:27:53
You can see that. 00:28:00
And maybe I will get the mouse really quick so I can point a couple things. 00:28:01
This makes it a little bit easier. So you can see here that the red roads shown are kind of freeway facilities that they're 00:28:14
planning. 00:28:18
The orange roads are expressways, The black lines are arterial roads. 00:28:22
And so you can see that they're planning on a potential Expressway along Vineyard Connector that would come straight down past the 00:28:26
downtown, through Vineyard and over back to I-15. 00:28:31
What we're trying to look at is, is there a way to not divide a vineyard more than it is, right. We don't want the rail is already 00:28:37
a division in the city and so we're trying to think outside the box at other options to not divide the city anymore. 00:28:44
So the concept we're talking about right now is staff. 00:28:51
Would be what's now shown on. 00:28:54
Which is instead of taking. 00:28:57
Vineyard connector down and that potential Expressway. 00:29:00
Down past the downtown and I'm kind of the 800 N alignment down here. 00:29:03
Is there a way that we could bring that Expressway on the 1600 N alignment and down on Geneva Rd. 00:29:08
We see a lot of benefits to this. It creates a parallel route to I-15 which can take pressure off of I-15. 00:29:13
It puts that traffic on the outside of vineyard cities boundaries. 00:29:20
Down Geneva. 00:29:25
They're already planning an Expressway to the South and Provo to take it across the Bay at some point past the airport. 00:29:26
And so in our minds, this kind of fills that gap and completes the system. 00:29:32
So we feel it has benefits both locally and regionally. 00:29:37
So to look at a little bit more detail, we've kind of developed these concepts. So on the left side is what? 00:29:41
What it would be in Mag's current alignments and current plan with kind of the bigger Rd. shown in the pinkish color around the 00:29:47
downtown. 00:29:51
And cutting through the. 00:29:56
And then you have Geneva Rd. is another major Rd. of. 00:29:59
The alternative? 00:30:02
Instead, you would take that road. Follow the 1600 N alignment. 00:30:04
And then come down Geneva. 00:30:08
In either plan, there's going to be some sort of element of elevating. 00:30:10
Roads to get them over the rail alignment, so that happens in the current plan. 00:30:15
It would also happen in the alternative, the alternative. 00:30:20
Would have more need for elevation to keep it above the rail lines that are there. 00:30:24
And to keep a free flow of movement, basically from that 1600 N to Geneva Rd. 00:30:29
So it's not it's not cheap of course to do this, but overall we feel that. 00:30:36
Alignment wise and. 00:30:40
And you know, walkability wise for the city as a whole, we think that this could be a better alignment overall. 00:30:43
The last thing here to look at would be potential traffic volumes in that scenario. 00:30:51
The one thing that you know, gets me excited is seeing that in this scenario, we think that it takes pressure off of I-15. It 00:30:58
drops. 00:31:01
I-15 by 15,000 Cars a day by our. 00:31:06
It drops, you know where Vineyard Connector or this loop, the Bend Rd. Here where it was at 50,000 plus we now dropped to 30,000 00:31:10
around through the downtown. 00:31:16
Which is much more manageable, but you can keep that as A5 lane Rd. in this case. 00:31:22
And make it much easier for pedestrians to cross back and. 00:31:26
Potentially there's a way to keep speeds lower to increase safety around there too. 00:31:31
So those are kind of the ideas. The other thing I want to point out here is that. 00:31:38
We're talking about a crossing over the rail that you probably know about at 1200 N to go into the downtown as well. That's a key 00:31:43
connection. 00:31:47
To take pressure off of this alignment. 00:31:51
And then excuse me. 00:31:55
And then the we're also talking about a 400 N possible connection to the South. 00:31:58
With that, I'll get a drink and. 00:32:05
Any questions to this point I guess? 00:32:07
Yeah, I was wonder. 00:32:11
How's what? What has Udot's response been to this? 00:32:18
Alternative idea. 00:32:23
So yeah, we met with UDOT a few, excuse me, a few weeks, a few weeks ago on this. 00:32:25
Their initial thought, I think initial response was. 00:32:30
You know, a little bit of surprise, right? 00:32:34
They've, they've, they've. 00:32:38
Built the vineyard connector that exists. 00:32:40
And so I think you know. 00:32:43
It won't be, you know, easy I guess, to convince. 00:32:45
But I think overall we have some great reasonings both locally and regionally. 00:32:49
To go with this alignment as opposed to the other one. 00:32:53
Now seem I don't know if you want to add anything to that or Patrick to our discussion or yeah. 00:32:58
So an assume the Europe of the works director. So again this is just a workshop just to present to Planning Commission State 00:33:09
Council feedback to get some feedback and some direction as well. This is we haven't hit you have to hit the public hearing 00:33:15
portion of the. 00:33:21
Up of the Master Transportation Master Plan, but in regards to with the dot, I know that they're constantly looking ways to help 00:33:28
lessen the load off I-15 specifically and also getting with their routes going towards. 00:33:35
The. 00:33:44
The energy. 00:33:45
Excuse me, I'm sorry. The the driveway or the drive to get to Saratoga Springs and Eagle Mountain? 00:33:51
You thought is also looking into the South of Vineyard City and an arm by. 00:33:59
Through Provo, I think they call it the Lakeshore Blvd. if I'm not mistaken, Lakeview Parkway. Thank you, the Lakeview Park. 00:34:05
About, you know, expanding that to make that AI 15 alternative as well. So in essence what this would do is kind of extend that 00:34:15
alternative northward. 00:34:20
Along kind of like in essence along Geneva and then provide like another alternative route into. 00:34:25
The Prairie Dr. Parkway. 00:34:33
Yeah, Lakeview Parkway. No, I'm sorry, the one that goes out to Saratoga Springs. 00:34:36
There we go. I'm sorry. 00:34:41
Alternative as well. 00:34:44
What the Rosa Udall likes to do as well as. 00:34:46
To do rosaire about 45 miles an hour plus plus with little connections and then of course this would provide that that type of 00:34:50
connections as well. 00:34:55
We're acting again. We're actively. 00:35:00
That UDOT and then all the other people to get finalized, I mean also property owners to deal with for this particular 1 to get 00:35:05
finalized. 00:35:10
But in essence. 00:35:16
The question that the dot always asks and anyone always asks is. 00:35:18
As you know, has been bathed through. 00:35:23
Like the legislative bodies and such and then when we kind of finalize a kind of. 00:35:28
Get more of a solidify plan put together like for example alternative plan here and I know Josh is gonna go more details but 00:35:34
doesn't have any specific detail specifics about. 00:35:39
Connections and so forth. And by the time we presented a public hearing, we'll have a better understanding of those type of 00:35:45
details as well. 00:35:49
As a long explanation to probably show the short answer. 00:35:54
It was very informative though. 00:36:00
Yes, two questions. Go ahead. 00:36:03
First off, I love the idea of an alternate NS corridor. I don't know anyone that would disagree with that. It's nice to have 00:36:07
multiple roads to get there. 00:36:12
Is this proposed? Whether it's the current plan or the alternative plan? Would that be U dot right of way or city right of way? 00:36:18
The idea is that the alternative route would be AU dot. 00:36:24
OK. But the current plan as proposed is City right of way along 1600 N? 00:36:28
That is correct. Yeah. OK. 00:36:35
And. 00:36:37
Naseem just mentioned that there would still be there isn't enough right of way. 00:36:40
Right now in the alternative plan that UDOT would need to acquire in order to make this work, correct? That's, that's correct. And 00:36:46
specifically it would be kind of those spots with the bends that is not right away that when you cut those corners, they're not on 00:36:52
section lines, yeah, but as Naseem said, there's already been some conversations with property owners about that and. 00:36:59
Overall, overall been favorable to what I understand. 00:37:06
OK. That's good. Yeah. 00:37:10
State wants to buy my property. 00:37:14
But. 00:37:16
I'm worried about additional cost there, I'm sure you. 00:37:17
Has the money to do it, but because it is all within the city of Vineyard. 00:37:22
That will absolutely need to be part of the analysis on the alternative plan. What would that cost be, including ongoing costs, if 00:37:26
there's any fair share fees that the city would need to pay to UDOT? 00:37:31
I hope that's just part of the analysis before we move in One Direction or the other. Yeah, great, great question. That's 00:37:37
something we still need to kind of discuss more. 00:37:40
That'll be worked on as we go along, so OK, but for what it's worth, I mean, if money wasn't any issue, alternative plan all the 00:37:46
way, I love it. To tack on to his question there, would the current U dot Rd. if they were to approve it, the alternate plan with 00:37:52
the current Rd. on 800 N it flows around become a city road or would that? 00:37:59
Continuous state U. 00:38:07
Current conversations would be have been saying that it would stay as a UDOT Rd. 00:38:09
There's always a possibility it could change hands back to the. 00:38:15
Umm, either way, I think you know talking with. 00:38:19
There would be a desire. 00:38:23
Make it more accessible, potentially. If we could slow it down. If there's less cars, maybe we can get another access out, Yeah, 00:38:26
that's what I'm mostly thinking. If it's U dot, it's hard to say, but. 00:38:31
Yeah, it's it's really double edged sword. 00:38:36
When if the city acquires it, we have to pay for it. We have to pay for it. But then we have control on if development's happening 00:38:40
on either side, what we want that to be, what curb cuts are putting in, That's awesome. 00:38:45
But then you have to pay for it, Yeah. I'd kind of be curious to hear what some of the developers of this area think about this 00:38:50
plan. 00:38:54
Because I mean obviously this cuts through the majority of your development. Would you mind commenting on that if, if you, if you 00:38:58
don't have a comment, that's fine too, but. 00:39:02
Like unofficially, Yeah, Unofficially, yeah. 00:39:08
Cool. Cool. 00:39:14
Again. 00:39:17
And just to add my opinion to it, I think the alternative plan is an absolute like no brainer if we can pull it off the 00:39:18
alternative plan. 00:39:21
Makes way more sense with the way our city is set up. 00:39:25
Yep. 00:39:28
It kind of, I think actually works really well. Something else to add when you're talking about the overpass for the tracks right 00:40:03
there, I feel like. 00:40:07
On the current plan, going at an angle there, it would have to be a much larger overpass than. 00:40:13
With the alternate plan just going at a nine. 00:40:18
Directly perpendicular to the tracks almost would be shorter, but. 00:40:21
One more thing to add, I think it's important. 00:40:28
The alternative plan here used to be. 00:40:31
Max plan in some form or another. There was a time where. 00:40:33
Mag did show this. 00:40:39
Kind of cutting through this property area and up kind of like this. 00:40:42
So we're kind of taking their old. 00:40:47
And morphing it to fit the properties better in a. 00:40:49
And so it has been discussed before, just not recently. 00:40:53
OK, I'll give my two cents as well. 00:40:59
I love it. I love that the alternative plan. 00:41:03
Again, go through the industrial. 00:41:06
It would provide. 00:41:09
Better truck access. To be honest, it would not. 00:41:11
Negatively impact. 00:41:16
Economic growth as far as people coming into Vine. 00:41:18
Give him better access and they would probably actually want to be here because they didn't have to cross it. 00:41:22
A highway to get to what should be a really cool beach thought so. 00:41:29
Yeah, we have. 00:41:35
My personal support and hopefully we can get you on board. 00:41:36
Yeah. 00:41:41
OK. Any other questions or questions? 00:41:43
You did, I bet you. 00:41:48
No. OK. I think the last thing I have just to tell you next step. So we're seeking your input and feedback tonight. We're going to 00:41:50
talk with City Council next week because we want to finalize that roadway project list and then once we have that. 00:41:56
Because of this alternative, we're waiting to finalize the other lists for transit active transportation. 00:42:03
Because we want to make sure that those fit whatever is proposed. 00:42:08
I will. 00:42:12
Do another Facebook Live event as a plan and then compile everything with the next few months for adoption. 00:42:13
There's any more questions on on that? 00:42:20
Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 00:42:25
OK. We'll go ahead and move on to item 5.2, the Vineyard Beach improvement update. 00:42:31
Yeah, looks like it's Anthony presenting for us. I'll do a quick intro for Anthony. Anthony has done a phenomenal job. He's kind 00:42:40
of from the staff side has been the lead on our waterfront project. This relates to the TRCC grant that we were awarded. We were 00:42:47
lucky enough to to get a 24 month extension to help us get kind of the the engineering and design detailed and in place so that 00:42:54
he'll provide the presentation tonight. 00:43:02
And in two weeks we'll have the official site plan because we we already approved the master plan, but this will be more of a 00:43:10
specific site plan for the the Vineyard Beach area. So you have the master plan that's 3.4 miles. 00:43:16
And then this is that beach area. So anyway, without further ado. 00:43:23
Go ahead, Anthony. 00:43:27
Hi so again my name is Anthony and I will be presenting. 00:43:32
The progress so far with vineyard beach improvements. 00:43:39
So in this presentation I will be going through the current condition, just you know also giving you that update and just a little 00:43:43
bit of the economic analysis that we've done throughout the process. 00:43:49
So this shows the current condition. As you can see the vineyard connector is out there. 00:43:55
We have block 5 which. 00:44:01
Is in the works Block five of the Promenade, which is in the works of starting construction soon this year. 00:44:03
EU dot you know bridge as well is going to be starting construction that's going over. 00:44:10
Vineyard. 00:44:15
In the spot where I have it labeled. 00:44:16
We have the site. 00:44:20
Its best condition right now. 00:44:23
So on the left of this slide you can see the current condition of. 00:44:27
The Vineyard beach, which is pretty much. 00:44:31
Not much to talk about, you know. It's 15 for Hill. 00:44:37
That you have to go down to access the beach and there's not a lot to it. 00:44:41
So in terms of progress, we have completed a master plan which has been approved for the entire waterfront area. We have also 00:44:46
completed. 00:44:52
Delineation for the area, you know, which splits it into the appland at lowland. 00:44:58
We have. 00:45:04
Completed a Phase One design process. 00:45:06
And we have also been interacting with some local, local contractors to have some quotes on what we intend to have implemented in 00:45:10
the area. 00:45:15
And we have also submitted. 00:45:21
A general plan to FFS. 00:45:25
And it's still in progress. We're in the process of working through to get a permit to be able to general permit to be able to 00:45:30
get. 00:45:33
Going on that land. 00:45:37
We have ongoing discussions about the aquatic engineering on the lower side of the. 00:45:40
Of the plan, which is more to the West, close to the water. 00:45:46
And we're anticipating. 00:45:51
Starting to move dirt around in construction late spring of this year. 00:45:54
All right. So this slide here. 00:46:00
Pretty much showing the true connection between our park and what? 00:46:04
Utah City is. 00:46:10
Put together the promenade and how it also connects to our vineyard station. So it's going to be a boardwalk retail very close to 00:46:12
the. 00:46:17
Vine. 00:46:23
We're going to have the beach connect seamlessly. 00:46:25
Promenade block. 00:46:29
Which is going to make it. 00:46:31
Feel like it's been part of the plan ever since we have Bronson here, we've been working together with the Utah city. 00:46:35
Bronson is with Utah City Group and we've been working together to make sure that our. 00:46:41
You know, connect seamlessly with what they also have planned. 00:46:47
On here, this is still work in progress, but eventually what's going to happen if you look at this slide is we're going to have a 00:46:53
green loop which connects from the vineyard beach area goes through the promenade. 00:46:59
Right, all the way to the east side of Vineyard, which is going to be a park that's going to look back into. 00:47:05
Vineyard Beach on 1200 N So this is still work in progress and but that's the. 00:47:12
Intention for. 00:47:18
To have a very nice SE. 00:47:20
Green loop corridor where people can run, walk and have an excited, exciting moment. 00:47:22
Throughout the downtown of our city. 00:47:29
So this would give you this is a short video. 00:47:34
To give you an idea of. 00:47:38
It will be. 00:47:41
So right from. 00:47:44
The lake, the the Lake Park is going to just, you know, as you can tell, it's just flying. 00:47:47
The prominent park through the various blocks and it's going to lead you all the way to that retail center. 00:47:53
That's that you, you know, gives you a great connection to a lot of restaurants that you see down there, ground floor retail, a 00:47:59
lot of, you know, vibrant interactions. 00:48:05
Done in this space. 00:48:10
So on this slide you see an. 00:48:14
Plan that has been put together for the entire beach area is going to be expanded more than it is right now. 00:48:17
So this video gives you a quick overview about what we plan to do. We have the Lake Rd. being showing up there and as I mentioned 00:48:31
earlier, we have. 00:48:36
The project being divided into an upland scope and a lowland scope. The lowland is right below the wetland delineation line. 00:48:42
And we have we have plans to have a multi use trail. 00:48:49
And you know, we're going to have various paths that connects various parts of the park over to the beach, pedestrian paths as 00:48:55
well. We're going to have various pavilions and these pavilion buildings are going to have. 00:49:02
You know, restrooms and just spaces where people. 00:49:11
Hang out and have parties and all kinds of, you know, gatherings as well as storage for equipment to maintain the area. We're also 00:49:15
planning to have a dog park, a play area for kids. 00:49:21
And this space is generally. 00:49:28
Be one that could be used all year round. One that we could proudly say, hey, we have a park that's connected to a much bigger 00:49:30
park. 00:49:34
You know that leads you all the way to the you know. 00:49:38
The Vineyard, Station and many other. 00:49:43
Of the downtown area and the city. 00:49:46
We're going to have peers. 00:49:51
That connects that allow people to have some sort of interaction with the water without necessarily. 00:49:54
Getting themselves wet as well. So all these are things we have in the in the plan and the whole idea is to make it as. 00:50:01
Walkable and. 00:50:08
Bike friendly for every user in the city and obviously. 00:50:10
So this shows just some renderings to give you a good idea of how things are going to look. You know, I can tell you it's going to 00:50:18
look way prettier than this in. 00:50:22
You know when it happens. 00:50:27
That is a rendering of the kids play area. 00:50:30
And Justice to talk a little bit about the Lake Rd. across sections. 00:50:35
I have. 00:50:41
These three sections that I want to share just to give you an idea of the character of how the Lake Rd. is going to be in the 00:50:42
future, because that's going to be demolished and rebuilt. 00:50:46
As we develop all this concept, this side is more to the north side. 00:50:51
Which will have. 00:50:55
The right of way having about, you know, just one parking on the side, you know we'll still have that 15 foot sidewalk and two 00:50:58
cars going, you know North and South with just 10 foot right away for the cars. 00:51:05
And that's how it's going to look, pretty much. 00:51:14
The middle section of the Lake Rd. That I showed earlier is going to have parking on both sides. 00:51:18
Which will again slow down traffic, make it safer for people that are trying to even cross to the other side of the. 00:51:26
Make it a more. 00:51:33
A more human scale friendly style Rd. where residents can enjoy and feel safe while in the park and trying. 00:51:39
Across to other parts of. 00:51:47
As well. So it would have that kind of scale. 00:51:50
And the third part which connects this is the area that connects to Promenade block 6. 00:51:55
This one, you can tell, has no. 00:52:02
Or any kind of left to it. It's been designed in a way that would allow people to seamlessly cross from Block 6 or to the. 00:52:04
The park, you know, it would be super ADA accessible. It's actually going to be like one of the safest. 00:52:14
Intersections that you're going to have in the city because it's going to, you know, have slow roads, it still has parking on the 00:52:22
side of the road, or have trails on both sides. It's just going to be one that makes it. 00:52:28
A good. 00:52:35
To. 00:52:37
So as I mentioned earlier this. 00:52:38
The plan is to have it's been divided. The whole project is divided into two, the Appland area. 00:52:41
In the lowland. 00:52:48
So we are working towards getting started on phase one and the phase one has been divided into two would have you know the first 00:52:52
part once we have the general permit given to us. 00:52:58
You know our contractors start to grade the land. Just remove all. 00:53:05
Vegetation, you know, the sudden grows and trees that we're keeping, but they're just going to be a lot of mass grading and. 00:53:10
Making sure that. 00:53:18
In a place where we can start construction and in the same way, you know phase 1B would have a lot of the backbone utilities and. 00:53:19
You know excavation ongoing would demolish the Lake Rd. 00:53:31
There's going to be at this point, there's going to be a temporary. 00:53:35
Trail, you know, put in place to allow people to still, you know commute from the north to the South of. 00:53:40
The lakefront and while construction is ongoing. 00:53:48
And it's being planned. You know, we've discussed this to have it on the Northside of. 00:53:51
The Lake Rd. Where you have those broken lines, I don't know if you can see that. 00:53:58
Here that's. 00:54:02
Temporary trail is going to be located. 00:54:06
Would go on on phase two to develop the actual park structure, put it in retaining walls, bringing in lighting and many other 00:54:11
amenities. You know irrigation for the turf and making sure we have preparations done for. 00:54:19
The various buildings that need to go in. 00:54:29
And all these other phases following phase one are contingent on the previous phases being completed. 00:54:32
And by the time we get to phase four, you know, once we start building or once we start phase one. 00:54:39
Just so you know, we're still going to be working through getting all the permits. 00:54:47
Things that we need to allow us to get going on the wetland area because that's a lot more permit process intensive. So we will 00:54:52
get the appland going and make sure it's usable for the general public and you know this is going to be work in progress. 00:55:01
So as we all know, it's a 15 foot hill currently. 00:55:12
To get to Vineyard Beach, beautiful. I spent a lot of time there. 00:55:17
And this is some data that we've gathered over time. 00:55:22
In 2021 we had about 23,000 people. 00:55:25
And this data has been gathered. 00:55:29
Pretty much shows. 00:55:31
The average time people spend there is about 55. 00:55:33
So in 2021 we had about 20-3 people, 23,000 visit. 00:55:37
You know, 2022 we had about 27,000 visits. 00:55:43
And you know, in 2023 we're getting close to 30,000 and there's still nothing there. It's just. 00:55:48
Beach where you can just go and. 00:55:55
Pretty much meet nothing so. 00:55:58
If we're able to make this happen, we're going to have a lot more trips over a lot more people spending time there, a lot more 00:56:01
people wanting. 00:56:04
You know, enjoy our downtown and spend more money in our. 00:56:09
And make it, you know. 00:56:13
Better for our development as well. 00:56:15
So. 00:56:19
Overtime a lot of people have argued and are saying that capital, which is true in my opinion capital follows people. 00:56:23
People follow. 00:56:30
And Place needs investment to make. 00:56:32
Tied together and make everything happen. 00:56:34
The Utah City folks are. 00:56:38
Invest in have plans of investing heavily into this area. 00:56:40
And it's going, it's definitely going to attract a lot of people. 00:56:45
Into downtown area, Huntsman Cancer Institute is. 00:56:49
Going to be in our city and you know and the map there you can tell where they're going to be located. 00:56:55
Umm that area is going to our developers, Utah City Development. 00:57:02
Tells us that it's going to bring up to about 900 hotel rooms. 00:57:06
That would also have some extended stay rooms that would help cater for those that visit the Huntsman. 00:57:10
And also people that just want to visit Vineyard and have a great time, enjoy our beaches and parks and all that Vineyard and Utah 00:57:18
has to offer. 00:57:22
So these are just examples of how creating good parks have benefited cities and. 00:57:29
In a few places these are just examples from Dallas. 00:57:38
The Clyde Warren Park, you know, doubled. 00:57:42
Property values when the park was. 00:57:46
You know, put in place. There's one in Houston. 00:57:49
That has very similar. 00:57:53
Effect on the similar positive effect on the property values of you know, the area where the park was developed. 00:57:55
Same way in Oklahoma City. 00:58:04
Parks bring a lot of value to our. 00:58:07
And I can't wait to have this hopefully built in our city. 00:58:09
I can talk about this all night long. 00:58:16
But I'll let this video. 00:58:17
Play while. 00:58:20
You ask some questions if. 00:58:22
You know any that you. 00:58:24
Bring to the table for us to. 00:58:27
Take note off. 00:58:29
Got a couple of questions. A lot of this hinges on being able to dredge or clean up that lakefront area. 00:58:33
What kind of feedback have we gotten so far from the state and being able to do that? 00:58:41
So we haven't, we haven't gone into so much into detail of you know, into that dredging part of things. We're working currently 00:58:47
into the, you know, getting permits for the appland we have shared the intentions, but currently I don't have enough data to 00:58:54
share. Yeah, So what we would do now I see like the yellow area. 00:59:00
That they had just shown that that's the Upland area outside of the wetlands. So that's what we would focus on for like the the 00:59:07
actual designing for construction documents. 00:59:12
And and so we wouldn't be touching the the wetlands right now, there's quite an involved process. So it requires the general 00:59:17
permit through the FFSL that's. 00:59:22
Forestry, fire, state land, and then we would need to get the Army Corps permit. There's going to be most likely a wildlife or 00:59:28
habitat study that we'll need to do because you do have the June sucker. And there there's some other species that we would need 00:59:34
to make sure we're not disturbing habitat. So there's quite an involved process with when you're doing stuff out in the out in the 00:59:40
water. So the idea is that as we construct and build out phase one. 00:59:46
We would. 00:59:53
Start working on those permits and like the. 00:59:54
Those more technical reports that we would need to submit for for the wetlands. 00:59:59
And most likely we would be in a spot where we would need to offset wetlands. So anything that gets touched you have to sometimes 01:00:04
I. 01:00:09
I don't know the exact ratio, but if you, you know, impact 2 acres, you might have to. 01:00:13
Restore 6 acres or 10 acres. And so I know the Utah Lake Authority. 01:00:20
Has been working to to purchase a wetland bank that city projects like this or you know around the lake would be able to. 01:00:26
To pay into and to offset the well and stuff. So anyway, there's going to be quite a big process. So those Piers are really cool, 01:00:35
those are concepts. 01:00:40
But the idea is kind of framing in the Vineyard beach and extending it. If you remember the Vineyard beach right now with a length 01:00:47
as about 300 feet. 01:00:50
This would make it 1800. 01:00:55
So a very long contiguous beach area, which is great because it provides a big area for people to spread out. If you've been in 01:00:57
Bike Bartholomew Park in in Springville, it's really nice. If you go on a Saturday when you have good weather, it's you know, I 01:01:03
think that is like it's like 2 two acres of surface area. The beach is small and it's packed. It's just you're crammed together 01:01:08
with a bunch of people. So that that that was what we were through the master plan with the water, the waterfront master plans 01:01:14
people wanted. 01:01:20
A lot of beach area, they want to be piled up on each other. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I mean, you take any beach in Manila Beach or 01:01:26
any lake or pond or something and it gets packed in the summer. So I think that this absolutely will get packed if it's done 01:01:31
right. 01:01:36
Is there any worry that we might not be able to get those permits? 01:01:42
I think we're looking really well on the general permit for for the uplands that still stay. 01:01:47
Just because a lot of like not that we wouldn't get it more of that there's going to be a lot of steps to take. And so you know 01:01:56
we're hoping that's something that you know if everything goes great that we're. 01:02:01
Building those Piers in five years, you know, like, I mean, I think for being realistic, that would be like as soon as we'd be 01:02:07
able to do it. Mm-hmm. But I mean. 01:02:10
That could be a 20 year project. I mean honestly, depending on how, how how much we need to do building, putting in a sand saver, 01:02:14
wall, dredging. Because the idea is that you we, we would want the beach area to have enough depth that people can actually feel 01:02:19
like they're at a beach, they can swim. 01:02:24
And so there's yeah, there's quite a bit, but it's a really exciting. 01:02:31
Project and there's a lot of support from the county. 01:02:34
And on a. 01:02:39
It's just, you know, getting kind of the FFSL an Army Corps, folks. 01:02:41
Yeah, agreeing with us, providing those permits, yeah, it's going to take a while. Yeah, for sure. And then the only other thing 01:02:48
I'd like to, I guess, see on the plans is. 01:02:53
More things for like teenagers and young adults, people, things for them to do, like if there's a way to jump into the water from 01:02:59
a 5 foot dock or something. Just something like that, like the city. 01:03:06
Needs more things for teenagers and young adults because. 01:03:14
We have playgrounds, we have stuff for people doing sports and stuff, but you got nothing for some kid that's. 01:03:17
15 By himself. 01:03:24
Has nothing to do except play video games at home. Like we need more stuff like that. And I'd love to see that implemented in this 01:03:26
plan here. Yeah, and we talked before when we did the master plan, there was a lot of interest in. 01:03:32
More of like a seaside style or like a lakeside style skate park we do have. 01:03:39
Where the road bans the Lake Rd. we do have that opportunity. It's about 2 1/2 to 3 acres. 01:03:47
Essentially what next week will be, or the next meeting will be will be a site plan. It'll still be fairly conceptual because what 01:04:23
we're going to be using the grant for. 01:04:28
Is we have 24 months to utilize those funds about $3,000,000 but even with that. 01:04:33
A lot of it's going to be. 01:04:38
Some of the retaining wall. 01:04:40
And then putting in the trails, we do want to try to get a lot of those. 01:04:42
We want to get the higher trail. 01:04:45
Expanding that from 8 and 10 feet to you know 15 feet and that was a big request from the public was they don't, they don't want a 01:04:47
lot of conflicts, more space and then getting, yeah, getting those lower trails that you see kind of tariffs down South providing 01:04:53
a lot of access points. 01:04:58
Really that's probably a lot of what we're going to be able to do with that, with that grant. And then it's probably going to take 01:05:04
some, you know, city funds, RDA going to the state. I mean there's going to be quite a process to implement this thing, so. 01:05:10
So the samples. 01:05:19
Sorry. So my question is then, so could you state your name, please, David Loray, If you have the Sandwall, you're going to dredge 01:05:24
on the inside of that, between the sandwall, the shore and keep that part deep. And then on the outside that you let the lake do 01:05:29
its thing, whatever it's going to do. Yeah, that's accurate. 01:05:35
Did we talk to anybody in Provo City? 01:05:42
So like what? Nine years ago they dredged Provo Beef or Provo Harbor? 01:05:46
Right. And it filled back in within like a year. 01:05:51
Right. Yeah, we should, we should probably talk to somebody. So it's the same. It's the same thing with the Linden Marina too. 01:05:55
They they dredge it every like eight years or something. 01:05:59
But theirs has like an access and from what I understand if we're doing some kind of sand saver thing with the. 01:06:05
Engineer is talking about is it would enclose not fully enclosed but it would enclose the whole thing and then the wall would have 01:06:11
like a foot or two of water above the wall. 01:06:16
Yeah, they they enclose that whole thing. 01:06:22
And so I think it's one of those things that if you just let it sit and you don't do much with it, then it's it's most likely 01:07:01
going to fill in. But that wall at least provides you kind of it it it gives you like like some time that you can utilize that and 01:07:06
then you're going to have to maintain it. 01:07:11
Just to add to that. 01:07:19
We've done a little bit. 01:07:22
Asking around, especially with Saratoga Springs and you know they have some sort of a boat lunch place and they had to go through 01:07:24
a lot of. 01:07:28
Permanent processes to even get that and that was over close to five years to get all the permits they needed to start dredging 01:07:33
the area and they still do to maintain it. 01:07:39
So it's a process and we're willing to go through whatever it takes to get it done and done right. 01:07:45
Cool. And what I want to point out too, Bryce, I think to kind of show the plan and you can see there's sort of different pockets 01:07:51
of the beach. If you remember our master plan, our original master plan was just one really like. 01:07:57
Rectangle beach area, Yeah, so we did kind of think. 01:08:03
You know beach. 01:08:38
And somewhere you can jump off into the water. Yeah, OK, you got those Piers are pretty high. 01:08:40
Most likely we'll have for a liability reason. No diving, but I mean. 01:08:47
Yeah, gravity's gonna do it. What's gonna do? 01:08:51
Yeah. Thanks, Anthony. I think it looks great. I'm excited to see the plans go through more. 01:08:57
Me too. 01:09:10
OK. 01:09:13
Did anybody else have questions and comments for Anthony for? 01:09:16
No, OK, David does. 01:09:21
Thanks David Larae, I wanted to know if there's any any of the plan. 01:09:27
For mitigation of midge flies, mosquitoes, I mean that's going to continual problem down there and so. 01:09:32
In order to make it usable, we'll need to have some kind of control with. 01:09:38
So is that part of the? 01:09:42
Let me have Mr. Questions asking about midge flies and mosquitoes. What kind of plan we have to mitigate that? 01:09:51
Oh, I I think we, we have that in mind to make plans to you know help us mitigate that as we get closer to implementing the actual 01:09:59
park. 01:10:04
So there are there are ideas to get that done. I mean get some mitigation. 01:10:09
Ways. 01:10:16
Make it no pleasant enough to spend time. 01:10:17
Currently that there isn't anything that we have. 01:10:21
Solid to share with the public, but it's in the pipeline for as things that needs to be. 01:10:24
Yeah, I think that just even deepening the water levels right there is going to help mitigate the the pest issues because just 01:10:30
for. 01:10:36
Breed in Stillwater, right? 01:10:43
Stillwater you're going to basically isolate that part of the water, so lots of movement there. So that that may add to it. I 01:10:47
just, I'm just suggesting, I want to suggest that you involve an entomologist and other specialists in the early in the plan so 01:10:53
they can help you with some natural ways to do that. 01:10:59
So that that's something and not necessarily just for this but we we have talked a lot with like the Utah Lake Commission and and 01:11:08
and the county, I mean there's there's obviously spraying you know and I know people don't necessarily love that but that that 01:11:13
that does work. One of the other things too is removing frag bodies and a lot of those invasive species. So there there there 01:11:19
would be bringing in more of the appropriate native plantings. 01:11:25
And then removing the things that are more invasive that that and that do kind of contribute to developing the habitat. 01:11:31
And then also deepening in the water. But yeah, you're absolutely right. We we would need to talk with those, those experts and I 01:11:38
believe the Utah Lake. 01:11:42
Is kind of the group lake wide that is trying to trying to take a lot of that on and so partnering with them as much as we can I 01:11:46
think it's it's gonna help but yeah that can definitely. I remember my first moved here and I was riding my bike in the lake and I 01:11:53
saw this like brown tornado. I was like what is that I rolled through it I had like bugs in my up my nose and stuff. So I 01:11:59
definitely can alter your experience So we want to make sure we we account for that. 01:12:06
Yep, that's right. 01:12:13
Yeah, yeah. Come on up, Darian. 01:12:15
OK, Daria Evans, Vineyard resident. 01:12:22
I have a question about Mother Nature. 01:12:26
I rode down to the lake. 01:12:28
And at Vine. 01:12:30
And the picnic table is almost in the. 01:12:32
I'm thinking OK, it's going to need to be on pontoons or what's going? 01:12:34
We can't control Mother Nature. 01:12:38
As far as the amount of water. 01:12:41
You know, we really have a lot. 01:12:43
And the snow hasn't even melted. It's just going to. 01:12:46
That's going to be a hard thing to take. 01:12:50
And I. 01:12:53
They talked about on the slide said, you know, Huntsman's. 01:12:55
Coming here because they like nature. 01:12:59
With all this building along here, those. 01:13:02
Those people who are coming here for for. 01:13:05
They think want. 01:13:08
And if they see all this going on, that's not going to be relaxing and healing to them. 01:13:10
So that's something we might need to consider because Huntsman is making a major investment. 01:13:16
And they're expecting. 01:13:21
Does that make sense? Yeah. We reviewed the waterfront plans with them and they absolutely love them. And kind of what we talked 01:13:24
about was. 01:13:28
You know how we have that? It's not just that big swath of land anymore. We sort of broke it up so we can program it differently. 01:13:32
And then on that N Pier, there's sort of another beach area. I don't know if you're able to pull that up, Anthony, but there's 01:13:39
kind of a more secluded type type little beach area. And I think that that could be a really nice kind of peaceful area, but the 01:13:44
waterfront master plan. 01:13:50
And I don't, I don't remember if you were a part of that back. 01:13:56
Of the 2020 where? 01:13:59
I put my sticky notes, yeah, there you go, the sticky notes. So the idea was like the South end of the of the city would be the 01:14:03
kind of the more like really quiet, peaceful and as you get further to the north, there's more entertainment and that type of uses 01:14:09
that's how it was a design but with this type of type of plan. So you can see you have a kind of segments areas of the beach where 01:14:16
you could have you know places that are a little bit more quiet. So I think it's it's a lot of that is in how we program it. 01:14:23
But they they absolutely loved the waterfront. That was a big reason why they wanted to come was, was this plan OK? 01:14:30
And then two. 01:14:37
Where is the bike trail on? 01:14:39
That I write on now. 01:14:41
I mean, yeah, you want to show your own cursor. 01:14:43
So it's that white one right there. Yeah. So that that'll be removed and it'll be replaced with a 15 foot wide. 01:14:48
Concrete or asphalt, it'll have to meet whatever the county requirements are because they're sort of be asphalt. They're they're 01:14:55
going to be the ones that do the maintenance on that. We'll maintain all the other trails. 01:15:01
And then you also mentioned the vehicular access. 01:15:07
What kind of vehicles are going to be going down on that beach maintenance? So yeah, we have for the most part, I mean, I don't 01:15:12
know if there, if there's like a special party or someone wants to do an event, maybe we might allow things for that. But 01:15:18
definitely it's not going to be like one of those beaches where you're driving. 01:15:24
Driving your Jeep. 01:15:30
You know if it was going to be like you can bring your boat down or your wave runners down or you know, I was just curious because 01:15:32
it said vehicular access. Yeah, with this area the idea was to do more non motorized within the the the sand saver wall area. 01:15:40
And so you can see that S pier, there's sort of another pier underneath the longer one and that actually goes down to the water 01:15:48
area. You can see kind of the T shape. 01:15:54
So that will provide an area where people kind of can offload. 01:15:59
But. 01:16:04
They but but there are ideas with like the Linden Marina that we didn't necessarily want to compete with the Linda Marina but I 01:16:06
know there are there's been a you know some some consideration of like does does that area get get get improved and and add more. 01:16:14
Ability to add more slips and more access for motorized boats. 01:16:22
Are people. 01:16:27
Able to walk their kayaks down? Yeah, absolutely. And we even thought about on the road. 01:16:29
Like so we're building and parking. 01:16:35
All up and down. 01:16:37
But creating areas. 01:16:39
You could do like drop off errors that are just designated like a 5 minute parking where people can unload picnic baskets, kayaks, 01:16:42
that kind of stuff. 01:16:45
And those parking areas, they're all parallel. How many spots are you planning for like the 69 feet and the 77 feet and whatever 01:16:50
else it was. So we have, we have angled and and parallel and then there's parking built into. 01:16:57
Into the That's block Six of the Utah City Promenade Park. 01:17:06
And then and then there's parking kind of in the downtown. So we provided like priority parking along the the lake and that that 01:17:11
might be a good spot to designate a lot of ADA closer. But they but we we kind of do want to try to encourage where we can people 01:17:17
to park in the downtown, downtown we're going to invest in structures and still have them walk through because that really does 01:17:22
help from a sales standpoint as well. 01:17:28
But the number we could we can check on the number, I don't, I don't know if we have that that right here but with that parking 01:17:35
along that area. 01:17:39
Are you going to have time limits on that? Because I. 01:17:42
People who live around the. 01:17:47
Using it as an overnight part? Sure, Yes, most likely we're going to have. 01:17:51
Time limits. We do have to be kind of careful because I there's a lot of research that shows a lot of places do like 2 hours, but 01:17:58
that's that's not necessarily what you want when you're going to the beach, going to spend the day there. So maybe having some 01:18:03
some 4 hour and the ability to extend your your your hours through an app or something like that. So we haven't necessarily 01:18:08
thought through the programming of the Lake Rd. We do have a little bit. So that's something that where we could we could put some 01:18:13
focus on that. 01:18:18
About answering my questions. Thank you. Great. 01:18:26
OK, feeling good. 01:18:31
Question for staff. OK, go ahead. 01:18:35
Quick question for staff. 01:18:39
I'm wondering. 01:18:41
Power lines, Power poles. 01:18:43
Are there? 01:18:47
What is the estimate to bury one of those and are there any plans to do any of that? Yeah, we're we're analyzing that right now. 01:18:49
So it's not definitely not a for sure thing, but it is something that we are in the process with Rocky Mountain Power and we're 01:18:55
working with a consultant to see what what the cost would be, what the process would be. That's another one that's kind of bigger 01:19:01
projects that that may take take a while and it probably wouldn't be bearing every single poll. I mean we're going to look at that 01:19:07
to see if that's feasible. 01:19:12
But I mean those polls are, they do have a lot of length to them in between polls. So even burying like 3 or 4 you would get a 01:19:18
pretty good benefit. But yes, it would definitely there, there would be some some expense there, but it would be. 01:19:25
Probably a pretty good investment because trying to create the ambiance for the beach area with the retail, it may be one of the 01:19:31
things that that really pays itself back over time because you know, it really does kind of take away from it when you hear the 01:19:37
popping and the cracking. But still even with the polls, I think it's going to be a pretty nice environment. 01:19:43
OK. All right. 01:19:54
We will move on to staff, Commission and committee reports. Do we? 01:19:56
Have anything from Commission? 01:20:02
You guys. 01:20:05
OK, how about staff? 01:20:07
Yeah, just a couple things, I. 01:20:09
Utah IPA, we keep bringing that up. If you guys want to go, I know some of you might not be able to, that's fine. But just let us 01:20:12
know. We want to. We want to. If you do, we're going to accommodate you and that'll be on the city as part of your training. So we 01:20:17
definitely budget for that. It's in Cedar City. 01:20:22
Oh, I may. 01:20:29
So that and that's, it sounds like it's going to be a really great one. And that's that's just the area that's surrounded by just 01:20:31
beautiful there, like things, fun things. 01:20:35
I want to, you know, congratulate and give, Anthony. 01:20:40
Anthony He's been working his tail off for us. He recently was was awarded $120,000. 01:20:44
For the tag, grant through Mag for the redesign of the Mill Rd. Corridor and. 01:20:53
It's not just the 400 N and kind of the surrounding area and it wouldn't be taking out travel lanes. I just want to make that 01:21:00
clear I but it would be making it safer. 01:21:05
For pedestrians, adding more bicycle infrastructure, we've done town halls last year in that neighborhood. And a lot of those 01:21:11
residents are like, yeah, our immediate development is nice, but if we want to go anywhere, even walk into the megaplex, it's very 01:21:18
scary. We're scared of our kids riding their bikes trying to get to school. It's very dangerous. Yeah, one of those people is me. 01:21:24
Yeah, one of those people is day and so and so making it just a calmer, safer area with lots of crossings, good bicycle 01:21:30
infrastructure and trying to get. 01:21:37
Some sort of a crossing at 400 N across the railroad either. 01:21:44
Or going over, but that's that that's a pretty big demand and that was actually in the transportation master plan, they didn't 01:21:48
really highlight that, but that it's definitely a project we're looking at. So and also he in addition to that. 01:21:55
It's a we got funding for a way finding signage, master plan, so developing good trail signage that would go throughout the city. 01:22:02
Now this is for the planning effort, but when we get the plan in place then we'd start budgeting and our CIP. 01:22:09
For for signs and we start implementing that but yeah really exciting project that we'll we'll work with the Bicycle Advisory 01:22:17
Commission on and the Planning Commission and so most likely we'll start that. 01:22:21
June July kind of time frame? 01:22:28
So is it from our department? 01:22:31
Oh yeah. 01:22:37
So from engineering how that works. 01:22:47
As you had the pleasure of walking down, throwing down the Transportation Master Plan summary, we. 01:22:51
Also working on several other master plans. So for example the Sewer Master plan, the Water master plan. 01:22:58
Which is being done by. 01:23:05
The same consultant we plan on, we. 01:23:08
Are scheduled to have another presentation to Planning Commission. 01:23:11
To present the draft, master plans to water and sewer Master Plan comb. 01:23:18
Since they're kind of go hand in. 01:23:22
What goes in and must come? 01:23:25
As we say, but in different percentages. 01:23:27
So we expect at the next Planning Commission to have a presentation by Hanson and Luce for that particularly and. 01:23:32
In addition to those two. 01:23:43
Master plans. 01:23:47
Awarded. 01:23:49
Stormwater master plan. 01:23:51
To. So we're going to be implementing that we're having a kickoff meeting I believe tomorrow and tomorrow we'll have a kickoff 01:23:53
meeting to. 01:23:56
And then, of course, the Planning Commission will have the pleasure of hearing the draft findings of the stormwater master plan at 01:24:01
a later date. So if. 01:24:06
I know everyone there is waiting for that to happen. You know, edgy receipts right there. 01:24:11
But the great thing about that is with all these master plans that are being presented and moving forward, that you know the city 01:24:17
is carrying itself for. 01:24:22
Identifying the areas where. 01:24:27
Improvements and enlargements and so forth. 01:24:32
Need to be focused on, of course, capital, facilities, plans. 01:24:35
Well, is the most importantly however funding those things being those impact fees but. 01:24:38
In addition to those master plans that. 01:24:44
Moving forward, as well as reassessing our utility fees as well to make sure that not only can we pay for to pay for the pay to 01:24:47
build. 01:24:52
The improvements that we need for do because the. 01:24:57
But we're also ensuring. 01:25:00
Properly paying for. 01:25:03
The operations, the maintenance and when I say properly. 01:25:05
That doesn't mean fees will always go up, but feasel, you know, fees will be either they go up, they go down or they stay the 01:25:10
same. 01:25:14
And that we're ensuring that the best quality of life is being provided to the residents. 01:25:18
On that. 01:25:23
And then we got some snow finally last week. So we're expecting we're hoping for some more snow because snow is good, snow packet 01:25:26
is about over. 01:25:31
If I'm mistaken, 101 twenty ish percent in Provo and the Provo UT basin. 01:25:37
Has a higher. There's a higher snow water equivalency, so. 01:25:44
We measure snow in multiple ways, being snow inches and then water, snow, snow, water equivalency. So there's a great deal of 01:25:48
moisture out. 01:25:53
And of course, when the thaw comes out, we'll be prepared for Public Works to make sure we respond as we were last year, ready to 01:25:58
respond. 01:26:03
So that's the biggest thing I want to let. 01:26:08
Thank you. 01:26:13
I mean, I'm. 01:26:15
Glad to know we're ready. I'd like to not be flooded. OK? 01:26:17
In that case. 01:26:23
Oh, we do have. 01:26:24
The meeting tomorrow morning. 01:26:27
Is that happening the? What's it called? 01:26:29
DRC. 01:26:34
That's tomorrow. 01:26:36
OK I. 01:26:40
Was informed that I'm taking out a new position at work. 01:26:43
So I now have no time in the day. 01:26:46
I'm wondering if I have commissioned volunteers to show up at this meeting for? 01:26:49
You got it. Thank you, Bryce. And I mean feel free to take turns amongst you and get the experience as you have time. 01:26:54
Because it's, I mean, I mean it's essentially what we used to do here which is approving the. 01:27:02
But they've just taken it to a different. 01:27:10
Setting. 01:27:12
OK, cool. I really appreciate that. And with that. 01:27:15
Looks like meeting is adjourned. 01:27:18
Have a great night, everybody. 01:27:21
This is a DRC. Where is that? 01:27:28
Here. 01:27:31
Yeah, it's like what we need to. 01:27:34
They used to combine it. 01:27:39
These are combined here. 01:27:43
No. 01:27:45
Yeah. 01:27:50
They wanted to make it less convenient. 01:27:53
And they succeeded. 01:27:57
Thank you, Anthony. Thank you. Have a great night. 01:28:06
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To order, we'll begin with. 00:00:00
The pledge from Grayden Osler. 00:00:04
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:12
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:20
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Go ahead and move. 00:00:38
Public comments if anybody has comments to make about. 00:00:40
Anything not on the agenda tonight? 00:00:45
Feel. 00:00:50
Cool. 00:00:55
Looks like that is. 00:00:57
No comments for that tonight. OK, go to item 3, consent items. 00:01:00
Approving the Minutes. 00:01:06
Let's see, 3.1 is for December 6th, 2020. Three 3.2 is January 17th, 2024. 00:01:09
And then 3.3 is February 7th, 2024. 00:01:18
I move to approve the cons. 00:01:26
Do we have a second? 00:01:29
All in favor, aye. 00:01:33
Excellent. Moving on to item 4. 00:01:35
Business items. 00:01:39
You've got a public hearing for the General plan update for Goal 2 technology element. 00:01:42
Looks like we have a presentation for Morgan Brim. 00:01:49
And then when we open up the public hearing like to the public after that. 00:01:53
For comment, yeah, yeah. So you can open it now and then I'll print that and then just have them come up. 00:01:58
So this is a. 00:02:06
So yeah, so this is the General Plan amendment that we had discussed in previous meetings the City Council had requested. 00:02:08
A. An amendment to our Ord. 00:02:16
And we had a Chris Bramwell. 00:02:20
Planning Commission that was assigned to work with staff worked with their city attorney to start developing. 00:02:24
The the proposed language to our general plan, the idea was to make it kind of higher level, have some language within the general 00:02:32
plan and then as we start to adopt new technologies. 00:02:38
That we would be able to use this as kind of guidelines for us, most likely the city, my understanding is interested, the City 00:02:45
Council is interested in adopting kind of a more robust policy, so I'm assuming you're going to see that later in the future. 00:02:52
And I know there are some bills like through. 00:03:00
In the state legislature and I think there's one that's being worked on that'll probably come out next year that'll have kind of. 00:03:04
More requirements on a state level that will be passed down to the municipalities. 00:03:12
So we have held a work session on this item in both Planning Commission and City Council. 00:03:20
We did have a public comment in the past that asked us to add to Strategy 5 contracts and contractors. 00:03:27
And so let's all just read it out. So Strategy 5 ensure that all current and future city contracts and contractors include 00:03:38
measures that protect sensitive data and dispose of it properly. 00:03:44
So overall this just provides us kind of guidance that we are putting. 00:03:51
You know, the safeguarding of personal information and sensitive data at kind of the forefront as we work with contractors and as 00:03:56
we implement technology. When I say technology. 00:04:03
We're starting to see. 00:04:10
A lot of technology coming out to help with. 00:04:12
There's a lot of apps and stuff like that and so ensuring that we they don't need to hold on to information longer than that is 00:04:16
necessary. 00:04:20
And with the forged discussion, if you remember that we did discuss with. 00:04:24
Steve Brop, the development manager with that company that. 00:04:29
They do. 00:04:33
License. 00:04:35
Information that is, is license plate information that is gathered to help kind of ensure people that are allowed to park in the 00:04:37
in that parking structure have that the right and they use that through for code enforcement. But we also don't want to have them 00:04:43
holding on to that information for a long time. So and then we would. 00:04:49
Also kind of look at those same type of measures when if. 00:04:56
We develop our own parking structures and things like that. 00:05:01
You know, and a lot of the technology too. And I'd say like when we we looked at some of kind of what's called like the smart city 00:05:06
stuff, we were looking at like. 00:05:10
Things for the beach area where you have trash cans and receptacles that you know may only be filled to like 10% capacity, that 00:05:15
we're not sending the staff member down there to, you know, empty an empty garbage can. And so I'm looking at more of efficiency. 00:05:22
The city doesn't necessarily want people's information, but there are times with like even something like a library card or 00:05:30
signing up for, you know, like utility billing, like there there's information that we need to safeguard. 00:05:38
And then information that we don't necessarily need to hold on to a lot for a long time. So this will kind of provide that 00:05:46
overall. 00:05:49
Guidance as we do that. And yeah, I'm assuming that roads are just going to be a more robust policy in the future and that will 00:05:54
probably align with the state code. 00:05:57
Amendments coming down the line. So yeah, so this would affect goal. 00:06:01
Of the technology element of the General Plan. 00:06:06
And adds 3 new strategies and then amends strategy. 00:06:09
So any questions? 00:06:13
Comments. 00:06:16
Great. And yeah. 00:06:21
At what point does the city attorney take a look at this? Is that purely once? 00:06:25
These strategies are used to actually create municipal code. 00:06:32
So they never look at the general plan or do they look at it at the time that it comes to the council or have they already looked 00:06:36
at it? Yeah, they have already looked at that. Yeah. So we had like a small committee. So Chris Bramwell was on the committee. 00:06:41
And then Jamie, our council and then a couple staff members. And so we developed that kind of within that committee. 00:06:46
And but yeah, as we start to develop technology most likely we would have our legal counsel help us in like reviewing contracts 00:06:53
and and that kind of stuff to ensure that for. 00:06:59
You know, safeguarding information or holding on to dispose of it. I meant for the language in the general plan itself. These 00:07:06
strategies, do they weigh in to say, Oh yeah, this doesn't make sense, yeah, all of our ordinances get reviewed by the guy, the 00:07:10
attorney. 00:07:14
Move to open up a public hearing. 00:07:23
I second. 00:07:27
Do we vote no not not to open? 00:07:30
Do we got anything? 00:07:36
To get anything today, No you don't. You don't have to. No pressure. 00:07:37
Yeah, Daria Evans resident. 00:07:43
When you were talking about becoming a more robust? 00:07:47
For. 00:07:51
What did you mean by that? Are we going to have even more strict requirements? 00:07:52
Coming down as far as this technology is concerned, yeah, that's that's what I'm assuming. I mean we don't know until it happens, 00:07:58
but but it sounds like this sets us up. 00:08:03
For for an actual like policy that would have like detailed information, I'm assuming that we'll have. 00:08:09
A privacy officer or someone who with a tech background right now we contract a lot of those like technical services out. But you 00:08:19
know, as we grow, most likely we're going to have an IT person and they'll be the designated, you know, privacy officer. What 00:08:25
we're seeing is on the state level that they're working quite a bit on a privacy, privacy and just personal information protection 00:08:31
kind of. 00:08:38
Law. 00:08:45
And they have some stuff now. So to be amending that, so we would probably have to develop a more robust policy to align with 00:08:46
that, with that state strategy, the state. 00:08:51
OK. Thank you. And then do we have. 00:08:57
Company. 00:09:01
Working this through with. 00:09:04
Is there somebody? Yeah. Well, Chris Brown, well he's the the state designated privacy officer. So it was really great resource. 00:09:06
So, so we worked closely with him and we also met with a committee. 00:09:12
It's a senator. Moss is part of that and he's working on on some language. So we we've we've met with them and talked to some 00:09:19
other people. 00:09:23
But contracting with anybody to put this in place right now, company no, all this will do right now is it'll provide kind of the 00:09:29
general plan framework. 00:09:34
And it'll help kind of it'll make sure that as we implement technology that that's something that that we go back to because we 00:09:40
use a general plan, we make decisions, we go back, we go, OK, are we aligning with that? This would be the goal that we go to for 00:09:46
for technology advancements and implementation. But most likely, I would imagine as we get bigger and bigger that we would 00:09:52
actually have like a staff member who's an IT individual who's designated. 00:09:58
Officer for us. OK. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. 00:10:05
OK. 00:10:16
And this would be a recommendation to the City Council. 00:10:18
OK, doing You did close public hearing before I make a recommendation, Yeah. OK, I move to close this public hearing. 00:10:21
I. 00:10:29
And you'll need a vote on that one. OK, all in. 00:10:31
Aye, cool. 00:10:34
Cool. Does anybody want to make a motion? You want to make the motion? I move to approve item 4.1, The General Plan Update Goal 2. 00:10:39
Technology element for recommendation to the City Council. 00:10:44
Do we have a second? 00:10:50
OK. Is this roll caller? Yeah, this is roll call. OK, Nathan. Hi Bryce. Hi Tay, I Graydon. Brad. 00:10:52
Thank you. 00:11:01
Moving on to 4.2 the GRM. 00:11:03
Gateway entry sign looks like we are going to hear from Carla with X Development. 00:11:07
For a gateway entry sign along 400 N in Geneva. 00:11:15
I do. 00:11:25
I have not. 00:11:29
OK. Carla Mata with Ex Develop. 00:11:36
I think that cash was going to present today, but apparently he's. 00:11:41
Not feeling well, so I was not prepared for this, but we got this. 00:11:45
So essentially the the McDonald's site plan approval came with a condition that in order for them to get. 00:11:52
Their building permit that they would have. 00:11:59
Have a monument sign approved through Planning Commission. So we are here to fulfill that. 00:12:02
Just click on that. Oh, did I miss that? 00:12:09
Add device. 00:12:18
OK. 00:12:21
Yeah. 00:12:27
Just give it a minute. 00:12:33
No idea. 00:12:39
Is it not just on there already that you can just use it from the the submittal, the agenda? 00:12:44
Essentially. 00:12:53
The monument sign is There's already a sign that's proposed for McDonald's. 00:12:55
So to offset that, we're proposing the location be a little bit farther South and on a diagonal so that it can be seen when you're 00:12:59
entering into Vineyard. You'll show as soon as we can get it up. 00:13:06
And just to tell you a little bit about the sign, it's basically a cast concrete sign. 00:13:13
With the front and backlit channel letter. 00:13:18
That will obviously be a little bit nice, it says Vineyard. 00:13:24
It's basically that it is that basically you're right. That is correct. 00:13:32
By 10 feet wide. 00:13:38
So that's about it. 00:13:42
Nothing's too fancy, but it definitely accomplishes the goal. 00:13:45
Providing a monument feature. 00:13:49
You're welcoming people to Vineyard. Any luck? There we go. 00:13:52
There it is. 00:13:56
Miss. 00:13:57
So 10 feet wide. 00:13:59
4 1/2 feet tall and then it's just got the signage. 00:14:01
And Carla, this is on the southwest corner of 400 N and Genevieve Rd. which doesn't punch through all the way, but it sets it up 00:14:05
for when it does, it'll does it have the map showing the location? 00:14:10
Age 26. 00:14:22
Agenda packet has that site plan. Yeah, it should be on the agenda packet, correct? 00:14:24
Is this something that could be moved in the future? Just looking at that map of it, it looks like it's. 00:14:34
Quite a distance away from the corner there. 00:14:41
Yeah. The hard part is, I mean it's there's that you see it's kind of a triangular piece up at the top. That's all you dot right 00:14:44
away. And so we're really limited in where we can put it. 00:14:49
You also see there's the monument signed for McDonald's That's up. Can you hover over that #7? So that's there. So our proposed 00:14:56
location is marked in yellow and. 00:15:01
McDonald's approved that location. 00:15:08
For the so when the intersection gets approved or improved. 00:15:11
By UDA that this will be the corner. It'll it'll be the hard corner right there. Do we know what the dimensions of the McDonald's 00:15:17
monument sign are yet? 00:15:21
I don't know. I I didn't see their submittal package for that. I don't know if they've submitted their sign package yet. 00:15:26
Yeah, we got their site plan approval. So we're my only worry with the monument sign, the two of them being that close together 00:15:33
and the Vineyard sign being that close to the actual building is that it will be like McDonald's in Vineyard, you know? 00:15:40
And we have that of Maverick too. We have, right? And so I'm wondering, since this is advertising our community. 00:15:47
If there's a potential for a variance to make it a little bit larger. 00:15:54
Since it's our. 00:15:59
I don't know within the code if it allows us to, if that's one of the necessary findings to allow for a variance saying because we 00:16:01
want it, right. So this kind of fulfills the standard for there to be a gateway feature. I don't think there's really anything 00:16:07
defined. I mean if the applicants were willing to go, I mean you could ask Carla and. 00:16:13
If you're right, if you're willing to go larger, my understanding is that we were going to address something that was a little 00:16:20
more wow on the Northside of that intersection where with the mixed-use building, correct. Because the cars are actually coming in 00:16:27
from the north side of 400 N, right. If that's the case, then absolutely. I mean that's going to be where their eyes are going to 00:16:34
be more drawn than to the South side. On the other side, yeah, I don't have like I think. 00:16:41
Yeah, it'll help ground floor retail and then residential above it. 00:16:48
So it'll have kind of a nice urban wall effect. And with this McDonald's too, the code had them pull it all the way up. So you 00:16:54
know, it's a drive through, the drive through in the back. So at least you you get kind of like that urban wall on both sides. 00:16:59
OK. 00:17:07
Has staff already approved the specs of the sign when it comes to? 00:17:10
Lumen count and it satisfies the light ordinance and everything. Yeah. So that we'll have our building official look at that at 00:17:15
that part of it. So that would be that comes at the time of building permit. Yeah. OK, great. 00:17:20
I don't have any other. 00:17:29
OK. Anybody. 00:17:31
All right. Do we have a motion? 00:17:34
I move to accept the plan as presented. 00:17:38
OK. 00:17:43
Second all in favor, aye? 00:17:44
OK. Thank you. 00:17:47
OK, that brings us to #5 our work. 00:17:49
Let's see item 5.1, the Transportation Master Plan update. 00:17:54
We'll be hearing from Patrick James. 00:18:00
An engineer. 00:18:03
And when, I guess we're heavy, we have some. 00:18:05
Yeah. Yeah. So as you know, the city contracted with Hale's Engineering to put together a transportation master plan and that 00:18:09
includes a capital facilities plan and impact fee analysis. 00:18:15
This is just to help the city strategically plan our transportation needs in the most efficient way. 00:18:21
Financially. 00:18:29
Help our community. 00:18:30
Enhance our. 00:18:32
So Josh Gibbons and Ryan Hills will present their. 00:18:34
Awesome. Thanks Patrick. So Josh Gibbons with Hales engine. 00:18:43
Just plug in. 00:18:46
Yeah, I have. Yeah, yeah. I tested it before too so. 00:18:53
Should be good. 00:18:58
There we go. 00:19:03
Sweet. Thank. 00:19:07
Well, we're excited to be here today. Like I said, I'm Josh Gibbons. We've got Ryan Hills here as well. 00:19:09
I think last year you may recall, we came and presented when we were kind of starting on this plan. 00:19:15
We're still working through it and planning to finalize things in the next few months. 00:19:21
We've had a lot of discussions in the last few months with staff and others about. 00:19:27
Roadway scenarios in the city as far as potential projects. 00:19:34
And tonight, we're here to review that information with you as a refresh. I know. 00:19:38
Most of you heard that last year, but. 00:19:45
Want to make sure you all hear? 00:19:47
And then we have kind of an alternative scenario to present tonight as well that we want to get your feedback on and. 00:19:49
As we work to finalize the. 00:19:56
We'll be presenting to City Council next week as well with this same information and we we met with them. 00:19:59
Individually this this earlier this week about this as well. 00:20:05
If you have any questions as I go along, please ask. I have about 10 slides. I'll try to keep it quick tonight. 00:20:10
So as kind of an overview. 00:20:17
Like Patrick said we're we're completing kind of four different plans here the the main one would be. 00:20:20
Transportation master. 00:20:26
So the purpose of that plan is to identify future traffic demand in the city. 00:20:28
And to look at needed transportation projects that would include roadway projects. 00:20:33
Active transportation projects and transit opportunities as. 00:20:39
Tonight our focus will be on kind of the roadway. 00:20:43
But we are also working on the others as well. 00:20:46
The next plan is the capital facilities plan. 00:20:50
Which looks at the cost of those projects. 00:20:52
And then the next two, look at impact fees and how we identify the eligibility of those projects to be funded by impact fees. 00:20:55
And then we calculated impact fee that developers pay when they bring their projects in. 00:21:05
That would be, you know, a per trip or a per unit rate that they would pay for impact fees. 00:21:11
So just a quick overview of existing conditions. As you know, there are a couple of U dot state roads that you know are within 00:21:20
Vineyard City boundaries. You've got Vineyard Connector. 00:21:27
Which was just completed around the bend there. 00:21:34
We have Geneva. 00:21:36
Shown in red on the screen here. The rest of the roads are city roads shown in blue. 00:21:38
The focus of this TMP is really city roads, because that's what impact fees can be used for. 00:21:43
Typically. 00:21:49
Those impact fees can't cannot be used for state roads unless it's some sort of local match that that is required by the state for 00:21:51
a road project. 00:21:56
So just so you're aware, the focus really here. 00:22:01
Those city roads, though? The plan does look at the UDOT roads. 00:22:05
Recommend potential changes and upgrades to make sure traffic flows well through. 00:22:09
Last time we came we talked a little bit about level of service, so as. 00:22:17
Review level of services, the measure we use to measure congestion and delay. 00:22:21
So in this master plan, this kind of high level master plan, we look at it at a roadway segment basis. 00:22:27
It's based on how many cars a day you have on the road compared to a certain capacity, so. 00:22:35
Just as a general reference, a three lane Rd. which is a 11 lane per direction with middle turn. 00:22:40
That can handle up to about 18,000 cars a day. Five lanes can handle up to about 37,000. 00:22:46
Cars a day. 00:22:53
We use that as a reference and we identify a level of service. 00:22:54
In general, level of service A through D is. 00:22:58
Though in this plan we've identified that for. 00:23:02
Smaller roads like local roads and collectors that we even set a better standard, I would say of level of service B for local 00:23:06
roads. 00:23:11
Or level of service C or better for collectors, if that makes sense, The bigger roads Arterioles. 00:23:16
We would want to have LSD or better, which is typical for udot and others. 00:23:22
So I want to show you kind of the existing and future conditions of that level of service analysis, so. 00:23:29
Just really quick, you can see here that. 00:23:36
Overall, most of the roads show up as green, meaning it's a good level of service in the city currently. 00:23:39
The one that's pretty is somewhat congested would be Vineyard Connect. 00:23:46
Which is LOSD still acceptable but congested. 00:23:50
And UDOT has made some recent improvements there to make that flow better than it did, I think, in that section West of Geneva Rd. 00:23:54
You'll see we have some red dots at certain intersections that today. 00:24:02
Do perform at poor levels of service during the peak hours. 00:24:06
And so within this plan, we're looking at ways to add maybe turn lanes or change characteristics there to improve the traffic flow 00:24:10
overall. 00:24:14
As we go to a future condition, we've taken the. 00:24:20
The mag travel demand. 00:24:23
Which has, you know, land use assumptions. We've updated those assumptions with all the known developments within the city to make 00:24:25
sure it's up to date and accurate. 00:24:29
So looking at a 10 year horizon you can see. 00:24:34
We have a couple more congested roads which would be vineyard connector. 00:24:38
And then Center St. shows a little bit of congestion, Congestion. 00:24:42
In these cases, we can either look at widening the road to improve the level of service. 00:24:47
Which in the case of Vineyard connector mag, just this week I believe. 00:24:53
Modify their plan to make sure they're planning for A5 Lane Rd. there, which would accommodate for, you know, the majority of the 00:24:59
traffic shown here, which is a good, good, good they did that. 00:25:04
The other thing we could do instead of whining is to look at. 00:25:11
New facilities to take pressure off of. 00:25:15
One facility, so in the case of center. 00:25:17
We're looking at, are there other east, West roads we can kind of bolster or add to improve that level of service? 00:25:20
Jumping over to 2050 conditions, kind of a 20 plus year horizon. 00:25:29
You can see that with all the development proposed in the city. 00:25:33
With today's system, at least you know we would see congestion on Vineyard Connector. 00:25:36
A little bit on Main Street. 00:25:42
Center St. Still as well. Geneva, 1600. 00:25:44
So within this we're proposing projects, many of which are already planned on. For example, 1600 N has already planned to go to 00:25:48
five lanes which would handle. 00:25:53
The volume there. 00:25:58
And Josh really quick to clar. 00:25:59
These are without any changes so. 00:26:02
Infrastructure at build out with no changes, correct? 00:26:06
Thanks, Morgan. So like I said, there are some projects that already plan to fix some of these issues that we will kind of 00:26:10
reiterate into plan. 00:26:13
With these volumes on Vineyard Connector with 50,000 plus cars a day. 00:26:17
That's you're looking at kind of A7 lane road, right? You're beyond the five lanes where we would need at least seven lanes to 00:26:22
accommodate that. 00:26:26
Mag in their long range plan and I'll show that in a second. I guess they're actually calling out that. 00:26:31
You may need even an Expressway type Rd. which is higher speeds. Getting closer to kind of what Bangor Highway is today is kind of 00:26:37
what that Expressway Expressway would be. 00:26:44
So we've taken this. We have a draft list of projects we're looking at. 00:26:51
And. 00:26:57
We'll be kind of working through that. 00:27:00
But as we put that project list together, which would include seven lanes on Vineyard Connector and other projects. 00:27:02
And I guess one more thing to add, because of that volume on Vineyard connector that intersection of. 00:27:09
Like I said, I don't have a pointer of Main Street and Vineyard Connector with all the volume there, you would need some sort of 00:27:14
large intersection to accommodate that traffic, right? So. 00:27:20
Which we don't know if we have room for that at this. 00:27:25
And so because of that and other reasons. 00:27:28
Because of, you know, the potential of seven lanes on Vineyard Connector, which would divide the city pretty severely and make it 00:27:32
hard to cross between the downtown and the South part of Vineyard. 00:27:37
We try to look outside the box, I think outside the box and look at other options and so that's what we're talking about tonight. 00:27:42
Is an alternative to maybe this kind of base scenario? 00:27:48
So what's shown on the screen right now is the current mag plan, the regional transportation plan. 00:27:53
You can see that. 00:28:00
And maybe I will get the mouse really quick so I can point a couple things. 00:28:01
This makes it a little bit easier. So you can see here that the red roads shown are kind of freeway facilities that they're 00:28:14
planning. 00:28:18
The orange roads are expressways, The black lines are arterial roads. 00:28:22
And so you can see that they're planning on a potential Expressway along Vineyard Connector that would come straight down past the 00:28:26
downtown, through Vineyard and over back to I-15. 00:28:31
What we're trying to look at is, is there a way to not divide a vineyard more than it is, right. We don't want the rail is already 00:28:37
a division in the city and so we're trying to think outside the box at other options to not divide the city anymore. 00:28:44
So the concept we're talking about right now is staff. 00:28:51
Would be what's now shown on. 00:28:54
Which is instead of taking. 00:28:57
Vineyard connector down and that potential Expressway. 00:29:00
Down past the downtown and I'm kind of the 800 N alignment down here. 00:29:03
Is there a way that we could bring that Expressway on the 1600 N alignment and down on Geneva Rd. 00:29:08
We see a lot of benefits to this. It creates a parallel route to I-15 which can take pressure off of I-15. 00:29:13
It puts that traffic on the outside of vineyard cities boundaries. 00:29:20
Down Geneva. 00:29:25
They're already planning an Expressway to the South and Provo to take it across the Bay at some point past the airport. 00:29:26
And so in our minds, this kind of fills that gap and completes the system. 00:29:32
So we feel it has benefits both locally and regionally. 00:29:37
So to look at a little bit more detail, we've kind of developed these concepts. So on the left side is what? 00:29:41
What it would be in Mag's current alignments and current plan with kind of the bigger Rd. shown in the pinkish color around the 00:29:47
downtown. 00:29:51
And cutting through the. 00:29:56
And then you have Geneva Rd. is another major Rd. of. 00:29:59
The alternative? 00:30:02
Instead, you would take that road. Follow the 1600 N alignment. 00:30:04
And then come down Geneva. 00:30:08
In either plan, there's going to be some sort of element of elevating. 00:30:10
Roads to get them over the rail alignment, so that happens in the current plan. 00:30:15
It would also happen in the alternative, the alternative. 00:30:20
Would have more need for elevation to keep it above the rail lines that are there. 00:30:24
And to keep a free flow of movement, basically from that 1600 N to Geneva Rd. 00:30:29
So it's not it's not cheap of course to do this, but overall we feel that. 00:30:36
Alignment wise and. 00:30:40
And you know, walkability wise for the city as a whole, we think that this could be a better alignment overall. 00:30:43
The last thing here to look at would be potential traffic volumes in that scenario. 00:30:51
The one thing that you know, gets me excited is seeing that in this scenario, we think that it takes pressure off of I-15. It 00:30:58
drops. 00:31:01
I-15 by 15,000 Cars a day by our. 00:31:06
It drops, you know where Vineyard Connector or this loop, the Bend Rd. Here where it was at 50,000 plus we now dropped to 30,000 00:31:10
around through the downtown. 00:31:16
Which is much more manageable, but you can keep that as A5 lane Rd. in this case. 00:31:22
And make it much easier for pedestrians to cross back and. 00:31:26
Potentially there's a way to keep speeds lower to increase safety around there too. 00:31:31
So those are kind of the ideas. The other thing I want to point out here is that. 00:31:38
We're talking about a crossing over the rail that you probably know about at 1200 N to go into the downtown as well. That's a key 00:31:43
connection. 00:31:47
To take pressure off of this alignment. 00:31:51
And then excuse me. 00:31:55
And then the we're also talking about a 400 N possible connection to the South. 00:31:58
With that, I'll get a drink and. 00:32:05
Any questions to this point I guess? 00:32:07
Yeah, I was wonder. 00:32:11
How's what? What has Udot's response been to this? 00:32:18
Alternative idea. 00:32:23
So yeah, we met with UDOT a few, excuse me, a few weeks, a few weeks ago on this. 00:32:25
Their initial thought, I think initial response was. 00:32:30
You know, a little bit of surprise, right? 00:32:34
They've, they've, they've. 00:32:38
Built the vineyard connector that exists. 00:32:40
And so I think you know. 00:32:43
It won't be, you know, easy I guess, to convince. 00:32:45
But I think overall we have some great reasonings both locally and regionally. 00:32:49
To go with this alignment as opposed to the other one. 00:32:53
Now seem I don't know if you want to add anything to that or Patrick to our discussion or yeah. 00:32:58
So an assume the Europe of the works director. So again this is just a workshop just to present to Planning Commission State 00:33:09
Council feedback to get some feedback and some direction as well. This is we haven't hit you have to hit the public hearing 00:33:15
portion of the. 00:33:21
Up of the Master Transportation Master Plan, but in regards to with the dot, I know that they're constantly looking ways to help 00:33:28
lessen the load off I-15 specifically and also getting with their routes going towards. 00:33:35
The. 00:33:44
The energy. 00:33:45
Excuse me, I'm sorry. The the driveway or the drive to get to Saratoga Springs and Eagle Mountain? 00:33:51
You thought is also looking into the South of Vineyard City and an arm by. 00:33:59
Through Provo, I think they call it the Lakeshore Blvd. if I'm not mistaken, Lakeview Parkway. Thank you, the Lakeview Park. 00:34:05
About, you know, expanding that to make that AI 15 alternative as well. So in essence what this would do is kind of extend that 00:34:15
alternative northward. 00:34:20
Along kind of like in essence along Geneva and then provide like another alternative route into. 00:34:25
The Prairie Dr. Parkway. 00:34:33
Yeah, Lakeview Parkway. No, I'm sorry, the one that goes out to Saratoga Springs. 00:34:36
There we go. I'm sorry. 00:34:41
Alternative as well. 00:34:44
What the Rosa Udall likes to do as well as. 00:34:46
To do rosaire about 45 miles an hour plus plus with little connections and then of course this would provide that that type of 00:34:50
connections as well. 00:34:55
We're acting again. We're actively. 00:35:00
That UDOT and then all the other people to get finalized, I mean also property owners to deal with for this particular 1 to get 00:35:05
finalized. 00:35:10
But in essence. 00:35:16
The question that the dot always asks and anyone always asks is. 00:35:18
As you know, has been bathed through. 00:35:23
Like the legislative bodies and such and then when we kind of finalize a kind of. 00:35:28
Get more of a solidify plan put together like for example alternative plan here and I know Josh is gonna go more details but 00:35:34
doesn't have any specific detail specifics about. 00:35:39
Connections and so forth. And by the time we presented a public hearing, we'll have a better understanding of those type of 00:35:45
details as well. 00:35:49
As a long explanation to probably show the short answer. 00:35:54
It was very informative though. 00:36:00
Yes, two questions. Go ahead. 00:36:03
First off, I love the idea of an alternate NS corridor. I don't know anyone that would disagree with that. It's nice to have 00:36:07
multiple roads to get there. 00:36:12
Is this proposed? Whether it's the current plan or the alternative plan? Would that be U dot right of way or city right of way? 00:36:18
The idea is that the alternative route would be AU dot. 00:36:24
OK. But the current plan as proposed is City right of way along 1600 N? 00:36:28
That is correct. Yeah. OK. 00:36:35
And. 00:36:37
Naseem just mentioned that there would still be there isn't enough right of way. 00:36:40
Right now in the alternative plan that UDOT would need to acquire in order to make this work, correct? That's, that's correct. And 00:36:46
specifically it would be kind of those spots with the bends that is not right away that when you cut those corners, they're not on 00:36:52
section lines, yeah, but as Naseem said, there's already been some conversations with property owners about that and. 00:36:59
Overall, overall been favorable to what I understand. 00:37:06
OK. That's good. Yeah. 00:37:10
State wants to buy my property. 00:37:14
But. 00:37:16
I'm worried about additional cost there, I'm sure you. 00:37:17
Has the money to do it, but because it is all within the city of Vineyard. 00:37:22
That will absolutely need to be part of the analysis on the alternative plan. What would that cost be, including ongoing costs, if 00:37:26
there's any fair share fees that the city would need to pay to UDOT? 00:37:31
I hope that's just part of the analysis before we move in One Direction or the other. Yeah, great, great question. That's 00:37:37
something we still need to kind of discuss more. 00:37:40
That'll be worked on as we go along, so OK, but for what it's worth, I mean, if money wasn't any issue, alternative plan all the 00:37:46
way, I love it. To tack on to his question there, would the current U dot Rd. if they were to approve it, the alternate plan with 00:37:52
the current Rd. on 800 N it flows around become a city road or would that? 00:37:59
Continuous state U. 00:38:07
Current conversations would be have been saying that it would stay as a UDOT Rd. 00:38:09
There's always a possibility it could change hands back to the. 00:38:15
Umm, either way, I think you know talking with. 00:38:19
There would be a desire. 00:38:23
Make it more accessible, potentially. If we could slow it down. If there's less cars, maybe we can get another access out, Yeah, 00:38:26
that's what I'm mostly thinking. If it's U dot, it's hard to say, but. 00:38:31
Yeah, it's it's really double edged sword. 00:38:36
When if the city acquires it, we have to pay for it. We have to pay for it. But then we have control on if development's happening 00:38:40
on either side, what we want that to be, what curb cuts are putting in, That's awesome. 00:38:45
But then you have to pay for it, Yeah. I'd kind of be curious to hear what some of the developers of this area think about this 00:38:50
plan. 00:38:54
Because I mean obviously this cuts through the majority of your development. Would you mind commenting on that if, if you, if you 00:38:58
don't have a comment, that's fine too, but. 00:39:02
Like unofficially, Yeah, Unofficially, yeah. 00:39:08
Cool. Cool. 00:39:14
Again. 00:39:17
And just to add my opinion to it, I think the alternative plan is an absolute like no brainer if we can pull it off the 00:39:18
alternative plan. 00:39:21
Makes way more sense with the way our city is set up. 00:39:25
Yep. 00:39:28
It kind of, I think actually works really well. Something else to add when you're talking about the overpass for the tracks right 00:40:03
there, I feel like. 00:40:07
On the current plan, going at an angle there, it would have to be a much larger overpass than. 00:40:13
With the alternate plan just going at a nine. 00:40:18
Directly perpendicular to the tracks almost would be shorter, but. 00:40:21
One more thing to add, I think it's important. 00:40:28
The alternative plan here used to be. 00:40:31
Max plan in some form or another. There was a time where. 00:40:33
Mag did show this. 00:40:39
Kind of cutting through this property area and up kind of like this. 00:40:42
So we're kind of taking their old. 00:40:47
And morphing it to fit the properties better in a. 00:40:49
And so it has been discussed before, just not recently. 00:40:53
OK, I'll give my two cents as well. 00:40:59
I love it. I love that the alternative plan. 00:41:03
Again, go through the industrial. 00:41:06
It would provide. 00:41:09
Better truck access. To be honest, it would not. 00:41:11
Negatively impact. 00:41:16
Economic growth as far as people coming into Vine. 00:41:18
Give him better access and they would probably actually want to be here because they didn't have to cross it. 00:41:22
A highway to get to what should be a really cool beach thought so. 00:41:29
Yeah, we have. 00:41:35
My personal support and hopefully we can get you on board. 00:41:36
Yeah. 00:41:41
OK. Any other questions or questions? 00:41:43
You did, I bet you. 00:41:48
No. OK. I think the last thing I have just to tell you next step. So we're seeking your input and feedback tonight. We're going to 00:41:50
talk with City Council next week because we want to finalize that roadway project list and then once we have that. 00:41:56
Because of this alternative, we're waiting to finalize the other lists for transit active transportation. 00:42:03
Because we want to make sure that those fit whatever is proposed. 00:42:08
I will. 00:42:12
Do another Facebook Live event as a plan and then compile everything with the next few months for adoption. 00:42:13
There's any more questions on on that? 00:42:20
Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 00:42:25
OK. We'll go ahead and move on to item 5.2, the Vineyard Beach improvement update. 00:42:31
Yeah, looks like it's Anthony presenting for us. I'll do a quick intro for Anthony. Anthony has done a phenomenal job. He's kind 00:42:40
of from the staff side has been the lead on our waterfront project. This relates to the TRCC grant that we were awarded. We were 00:42:47
lucky enough to to get a 24 month extension to help us get kind of the the engineering and design detailed and in place so that 00:42:54
he'll provide the presentation tonight. 00:43:02
And in two weeks we'll have the official site plan because we we already approved the master plan, but this will be more of a 00:43:10
specific site plan for the the Vineyard Beach area. So you have the master plan that's 3.4 miles. 00:43:16
And then this is that beach area. So anyway, without further ado. 00:43:23
Go ahead, Anthony. 00:43:27
Hi so again my name is Anthony and I will be presenting. 00:43:32
The progress so far with vineyard beach improvements. 00:43:39