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Call to Order     INVOCATION/INSPIRATIONAL THOUGHTS/PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE Vice-Chair Sullivan led the meeting in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Open Session
OPEN SESSION Motion: COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN MOTIONED TO BEGIN THE OPEN SESSION. VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. No comments were addressed before the Commission. Motion: VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN MOTIONED TO ADJOURN THE OPEN SESSION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.       MINUTES REVIEW AND APPROVAL:1   20.2021 Minutes2   17.2021 Minutes Vice-Chair Sullivan verified that her requested change was fixed in the.20.2021 minutes.
Motion to Approve Minutes
Motion: COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.     BUSINESS ITEMS1
4.1 Sign Standard Waiver
DISCUSSION AND ACTION- YESCO Sign Standard Waiver The applicant is requesting approval of a sign standard waiver for Maverik located at S Geneva Rd within the Regional Mixed-Use (RMU) Zoning District. Parcel ID:454:0018. The Planning Commission will act to approve (or deny) the sign waiver.   Planner Briam Amaya Perez introduced the subject as well as Rick Magness with Yesco Signs. The applicant was seeking a waiver due to the height and total area of the sign. The property was also proposing three (3) additional box cabinet signs that are utilized for directions and safety.   Mr. Perez displayed the multi-tenant sign and described it. It measured at feet high which follows the requirement for the sign standard waiver. The total square feet of the sign is square feet. He described the process he used to measure the total area. The applicant would be able to go up to0 square feet within the waivers allowance.   Mr. Perez then displayed the cabinet signs that are proposed. The signs will give directions for a new road behind the building. He then displayed a map of the property and the locations for each sign.   Mr. Perez displayed the Vineyard sign that the applicant is providing for the city. It will be attached to the existing wall located at the northeast corner of the property.   Mr. Magness with Yesco Signs introduced himself and described the box signs that are giving directions around the property. He mentioned that the Vineyard wall sign was not an issue and they were happy to provide it for the city. The multi-tenant sign complies with the sign standard waiver requirements. He concurred with staff approval and opened the time to questions.   Commissioner Jenkins asked if ethanol free fuel will be sold at this gas station. Mr. Magness replied that they will be selling “blue fuel”.   Vice-Chair Sullivan asked if the cabinet signs are lit up at all times. Mr. Magness replied that due to Maverik being opened/7 the signs need to be lit at all times to provide directions. The lighting is dim and should not pose any issues for the residents nearby.   Commission Blackburn asked if all of the box signs are only directional to exit the property. Mr. Magness described that the purpose of those signs was to give directions to the larger vehicles to split up the traffic from the smaller pedestrian vehicles. Commissioner Blackburn asked why they chose feet for the multi-tenant sign. Mr. Magness replied that Yesco does sign studies in which they sit at the street corner and observe traffic flow and speeds. They then design a sign that would fit best for the property and traffic. He stated that the cost of the sign was around $60,000. Commissioner Blackburn replied that his role is to help keep things standard throughout the city which means he needs to observe the standard in regards to the waiver. He stated that he preferred shorter signs rather than larger signs and fewer commercial signs in general. He then asked about how much of the sign will be lit. Mr. Magness replied that the lighting is captured in a cabinet and will not cause a hazard. The LED gas price lights can be changed and it could take roughly one (1) year to find the best setting for the property. The Alloy letters will also be lit in a manner that will not protrude.   Mr. Magness stated that a multi-tenant sign would provide for fewer signs in the city. As Maverik and the Alloy were is discussion of acquiring this new property, they discussed the importance of a shared sign for both interests. This sign will replace the current gas price sign. Commissioner Blackburn asked if the Vineyard wall sign will for sure be installed as Maverik promised a sign on that wallyears ago. Mr. Magness replied that he believes that was overlooked but Marverik does believe there is a commitment to be fulfilled.
Motion to Approve Sign Standard Waiver
Motion:COMMISSION JENKINS MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE SIGN STANDARD WAIVER. VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN SECONDED THE MOTION.ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  2
4.2 Geneva Retail Frontage Preliminary Plat B
DISCUSSION AND ACTION - Geneva Retail Frontage Preliminary Plat B The applicant is requesting an approval of a preliminary plat for the Geneva Retail Frontage Plat B. Parcel ID’s:513:0011,:513:0010, and:513:0009. The Planning Commission will act to approve (or deny) recommendation of the proposed application to the City Council.   Mr. Perez introduced Kurt Beecher with Central Utah Water Conservancy District (CUWCD) and described the property and staff report. He then displayed the original plat and mentioned that this application was for parcels, and. The total area of the plat is7 acres. He stated that back in February the Commission approved a conditional use permit (CUP) for a well that would be constructed at this site. As part of the CUP, the Planning Department asked for CUWCD to create a new preliminary plat. In this plat, CUWCD has proved the appropriate utility easements and-foot access easement. They will be locating all their utilities through that as well. Mr. Perez stated that Planning Department had no issue with this application.   Kurt Beecher described that the circle in the diagram is a well protection zone. It is0-foot radius that cannot have anything put into it that would contaminate the fresh water source. Assistant Public Works Director Chris Wilson asked for Mr. Beecher to describe what can and cannot be placed in that zone. Mr. Beecher replied that curb, gutter, and asphalt are permitted. Septic drain fields, gas tanks, and underground storage tanks are not permitted. He also stated that CUWCD will need an easement from the Edgewater Townhome complex that is included in their protected circle.   Chair Brady asked Mr. Perez what the change to the original preliminary plat was. Mr. Perez replied that there was a recommendation from engineering to continue the numbering on the plat from, so this plat would become,,, and. This would become Plat B. There would be a temporary easement for a hammerhead turnaround for the fire department. When the other lots get developed, they will work with the developers to secure their access to the well site. Mr. Wilson said that the original plat provides access protection for each parcel.   Commissioner Rasmussen asked if Water Manager Sullivan Love had anything to say about this project. Mr. Love stated that CUWCD have been more than happy to work with the city and he fully supports this new well.   Mr. Beecher stated that construction for the drilling of the well will begin this week or next. A-foot sound wall will go up around the area.
Motion to Approve Preliminary Plat B
Motion: COMMISSIONER JENKINS MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE GENEVA RETAIL FRONTAGE SUBDIVISION B PRELIMINARY PLAT. COMMISSIONER RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   Commissioner Jenkins mentioned that this area is being used as a defacto parking lot. He asked staff if that is allowed. He stated that he wanted the city to act sooner than later to prevent parking in that area. Mr. Wilson stated that the issue with this area is that it is public and private property. The Sheriff’s Department has been working to remove the vehicles parked in public property. Mr. Wilson stated that some private property owners have been providing parking for a fee. This area would have to be investigated by code enforcement to see if this area allows for parking.   Commissioner Blackburn asked if CUWCD placed notices on the surrounding properties to inform the public about what is happening in the area. Mr. Wilson stated that CUWCD has hired a group to ensure the public is notified and are willing to field all questions. Planning Technician Cache Hancey mentioned that the Edgewater Townhome HOA has notified their residents of the drilling as he as already received complaints about it.     WORKSESSION No items were presented before the Commission for the work session.  
Commission Members’ Reports and Ex Parte Discussion Disclosure
COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSION DISCLOSURE Commissioner Blackburn stated that cattle are now present at Walkara Way. Mr. Wilson stated that staff has noticed an impact on the phragmites from the cattle. It appears to be a successful project.   Commissioner Jenkins mentioned that issues of parking should be handled by enforcing what is currently on the books such as parking by fire hydrants. He continued that if street parking is a public safety is a hazard, all street parking should be prohibited regardless of who is parking. After biking through Sleepy Ridge, he noticed that the corners had been red curbed. Mr. Wilson stated that Public Works is opposed to red curbing because it because a maintenance issue at a cost to taxpayers. Commissioner Jenkins stated that if enforcement for parking on corners was followed, red curbing would not be an issue. Commissioner Rasmussen agreed with Commissioner Jenkins desire to ensure current rules are being enforced by the Sheriff’s Department. Mr. Wilson described that red curbing can clutter the city with a cost and that Sheriff patrols are effective but also come with a cost.   Commissioner Rasmussen asked Mr. Wilson what his solution for the parking issue was if not to red curb. From his perspective, he believed that subdivisions need to provide enough parking for every resident. He expressed concern about the parking structure for downtown. He is opposed to on street parking being counted toward designated parking. There are solutions such as to add parking to collector roads. If you add parking, asphalt would need to be added and parking strips would be eliminated. Traffic on collector roads needs to remain uncongested. He advised only allowing on street parking on the multi-family side of the road and not on the other side. Commissioner Jenkins mentioned that if the city builds it, people will come and could cause more parking issues. If more parking is provided, more people will bring cars. Mr. Wilson mentioned that the HOA once provided on street parking but has recently prohibiting it, causing parking to get flooded into adjacent neighborhoods. If people cannot find parking, the problem will eventually solve itself. People are only willing to park so far from their destination. Commissioner Jenkins replied that the city should not be responsible for solving this problem. Rasmussen stated that there is a parental relationship with the city. The city is currently not giving resident boundaries and they need to. Mr. Wilson stated that this is difficult to solve as no one is breaking the law.   Commissioner Jenkins mentioned that the City Council had approved funds for a fence for the center street bridge. The bridge is safe if driving properly and following the laws. This bridge was built for the perception of safety. If the city is willing to spend money on the perception of safety, actual safety measures should be made a higher priority.   Chair Brady stated his opinion that as the city owned the streets, parking can be banned. The city has rights to do what they want for their property. He agreed that the bridge fence was unnecessary. Other more dangerous roads do not have barriers. He followed up with a report from his retreat with City Council.    Vice-Chair Sullivan asked if the Lake trail will be completed soon. Mr. Wilson stated that it should before this summer. The Lindon Trail should continue to the marina soon and connect to the Vineyard Trail. The County will take over the asphalt of the Vineyard Trail soon. The Walkara Way Trail will have funding soon to connect in as well. The Clegg farm is going to be a gap in the trail.   Chair Brady asked when Vineyard Road will close. Mr. Wilson stated that it could be closed by next Monday. It will become a t-intersection with0 West. Part of the downtown phase includes the expansion of0 West.   Commissioner Blackburn mentioned his comments he made in City Council about a cemetery. The city has not been good at projecting the need for a cemetery as they plan for open spaces. He would like the Planning Commission to approve of a cemetery in the city somewhere.   Chair Brady asked the commission to read up on the General Plan to make informed decisions. He also mentioned that Penny Springs Park has officially opened.     ADJOURNMENT
Motion to Adjourn
Motion: COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN MOTIONED TO ADJURN THE MEETING. VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, VICE-CHAIR SULLIVAN, COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.     MINUTES APPROVED ON:  May21   CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:  /s/ Cache J. Hancey                                        Cache J. Hancey, Planning Technician
We're good. 00:00:01
Cool. Welcome everybody. It is now 601-0602 on April 7th. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. Shan Sultan will leave 00:00:06
us in the Pledge of Allegiance and we'll get started. 00:00:12
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:20
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:27
All right, cool. Thank you, Shan. All right, We're just going to jump right into the open session. If anybody has any comments 00:00:35
that they would like to make, You've got about 3 minutes if you want to make any comments. Do I have a a motion to open up the 00:00:42
public session? Make a motion or we open a public session? All right. Second, I'll second. All right, thank you. 00:00:50
All right. I assume neither of you guys have anything. OK. Do I have a motion to close the open session? I make a motion to close 00:00:59
the open session. I have a second. 00:01:03
Anthony, seconds that. All right. Thank you. OK. 00:01:10
On to the minutes for review and approval, if you guys had a chance to look over those at all. I did. 00:01:15
Did the one change get made? OK, perfect. Cool, cool on that. 00:01:20
I move that we approve the minutes of 1/20/2021 to 17/20/21. All right, thank you, Tim. Do I have second? Great. Thanks, Jim. We 00:01:27
don't need to do an all in favor, OK? We're just going to move straight into business items. Amber, if you want to come and sit up 00:01:33
here, join us. 00:01:39
OK. Moving on to business Item 4.1, Yes, go sign standard waiver. Brian got this. 00:01:51
OK, so we have Rick with Yesco sitting there. 00:02:03
He's the one that's representing yes, go and Maverick, there's an assigned standard waiver. So the reason they're applying for 00:02:10
assigned standard waiver is that they're submitting a multi tenant sign that exceeds the height limit that would be permitted 00:02:17
outright and also it exceeds the area that would be permitted outright and so. 00:02:25
They're also proposing 3 box cabinet signs that we're considering as. 00:02:34
Monument signs. 00:02:40
And you can only have two, which they already have two on the on the site that advertises their fuel prices. And so to have these 00:02:42
three additional signs that they're proposing would bring the total to five. But these these box cabinet signs are they're 00:02:48
directional signs. So they're needed for safety and circulation. So we'll talk more about that. We'll we'll dive deeper, but let's 00:02:54
start by looking at the. 00:03:00
The multi tenant sign first. 00:03:07
Sorry, just pulling it up. 00:03:21
OK. 00:03:26
All right, so. 00:03:30
Like I said, this one, so this multi tenant sign is they're typically allowed to be 10 feet in height, but this one is 18 feet in 00:03:34
height. 00:03:38
The sign standard waiver evaluation criteria allows them to be no more than 20 feet high, and so with it being 18, they still have 00:03:45
a little bit of wiggle room and would fall within what's allowed with the sign standard waiver. 00:03:51
The the area of the sign, usually outright, is permitted 80 square feet. 00:03:59
This one is currently 94.2 square feet and what we measure is I'm going to bring up the picture that has color. It's a little 00:04:06
easier to see. 00:04:11
So we only measure this portion that's inside, so we don't measure the entire surface, including the. 00:04:18
Like the base and things like that, we only measure here, here what says like the alloy at Geneva and here what what says Maverick 00:04:27
and shows the fuel size so. 00:04:32
The sign standard waiver permits the surface area to exceed by no more than 25% of the original, so they could go up to 100 square 00:04:38
feet based on the sign standard waiver. 00:04:44
And so at 94.2 square feet there within what would be allowed for the waiver? 00:04:51
And then? 00:04:56
I'm going to bring up the box. 00:05:01
Cabinet science. So these ones don't exceed any square footage. It it's more of the quantity. That's what that as I mentioned, but 00:05:03
because as you can see, they're they're necessary to direct the traffic. They're gonna they're gonna implement that new road just 00:05:09
behind the building. 00:05:16
And so they want to be able to direct the traffic safely out of there. So they have one at the entrance I'm going to pull. 00:05:23
Not bad again. So here at the entrance, coming at the right in, right out on Mill Rd. they'll have them there and then they'll 00:05:29
have a couple more here behind the building. All really essential just for the the movement of traffic. 00:05:36
Let's see. 00:05:45
And then? 00:05:51
Just wanted to quickly talk about the wall sign. So this wall sign Maverick is providing for the city. They weren't obligated to, 00:05:52
but it's something that they wanted to do. And, you know, just helping that relationship with the city. It's going to go on the 00:05:59
existing wall that's on the northeast corner of the property. So right here, we're at #4 existing wall. So it's just going to go 00:06:06
right there. 00:06:12
So. 00:06:20
Rick, I don't know what else to bring up with the signs. Did you want to add something to what I've said? 00:06:22
Thank you. Thank you, Cash. You're great on the TV. OK, my name is Rick Magnus. I'm with Yesco and I just am here to represent 00:06:33
this project once again, the wayfinding. Sometimes these are called directional signs. I know they look big and red on the site 00:06:39
plan, but they are. 00:06:46
Just directional signage that usually in other entities we they're allowed and and you don't necessarily have to permit them, but 00:06:54
once again, they do stand alone and they help direct traffic in the right way. 00:07:01
We're we're pleased to put the little vineyard on that little step wall that exists there. It's kind of a sense of arrival and 00:07:11
community and that just seemed appropriate to do. And for Maverick, it didn't seem like such a. 00:07:17
You know, cost constantly thing to do. And then and then our, our once again, the, the multi tenant sign is within your standard 00:07:25
of waiver. It's it's well within that. So we're complying with with code and we we love being here and I'm just here to answer any 00:07:32
questions and we concur with staff recommendations of approval. And so if you have any questions, I don't know if you do, but 00:07:39
thank you so much, Rick, just real quick. 00:07:47
I think it looks great. And then your sign is awesome. That's cool that you guys are doing that. Just real quick, are you guys 00:07:55
going to be selling ethanol free gas there? Yes. Cool. All right, let's call it blue. OK. Yeah, because people have toys and they 00:08:00
want to keep that out. 00:08:04
Are the signs the directional signs? Are the other ones lit? 00:08:12
They are. They are. But once again, they stand 4 feet. I'm not in my doing 4 feet here. They're 4 feet by 6. And yes, they're lit 00:08:17
because that maverick is open, you know, 24/7. So when they're not lit. 00:08:25
That's not good. So yeah, they are. They're just not, they're just not a empty sign. OK, but they're close enough to the fence. 00:08:34
The like the apartments on the other side of the area aren't going to have like the lights being. That's absolutely correct. 00:08:41
They're four feet. You've got the the fence, the tire, and these are a light source that does not project out. It's nearly backlit 00:08:48
and it stays really right there and the color red. 00:08:55
Really is like amber and it really kind of yes, alright, cool. That was my biggest question is about light. So these are all exit 00:09:03
signs. Are there are there any entrance signs? So there there is out on the sign that you'll see for for the monuments that were 00:09:13
kind of replacing, you know, replacing the faces on there and they will have directional to go there. They will know that. 00:09:23
They don't enter here and they will know to go around, yes. And so even on the direction on the multi tenant, you may see 00:09:33
something that's indicated on that. So you see where it says like one says auto entrance only. And so when they see the canopy of 00:09:42
the of the commercial fueling, they will know to go that direction down Geneva and then make it in front of that. 00:09:52
Where the alloy is that shared access. 00:10:03
It is I I think he can. Can you scooch over to the entrance? Yeah, that that's the entrance to. And the way we the way this is 00:10:07
designed, what you want to do is you want to separate the motion of the larger vehicles to the passengers, let's call it the 00:10:14
passenger vehicle. So that's why you have a four court out in front and you have that access where they can quickly get in and 00:10:21
that and then the the larger vehicles, they go down the road and then. 00:10:28
And then enter and then exit out there on you call it Mill Rd. Is that right? I'm so sorry. Yeah. I didn't know if it was a road 00:10:36
or way or Parkway. Thank you very much. So, yeah. So that's that's how that. 00:10:42
That's how that's designed and and why 18 feet? 00:10:51
Why 18 feet? Why not 15? So what we looked at is and so ask the question, why not 20 also? But I'm looking for a shorter, not 00:10:55
taller. Yeah, I know. So the well, the reason, the reason why 18 is because when when like yes, code that we do sign studies and 00:11:04
we we will sit at that that particular corner. 00:11:13
We will look at traffic flow, we will look at speeds, we will look at. 00:11:22
The ability to provide a sign that is safe and readable. And so in the in the aspect of this sign, the height, the elevation of 00:11:28
the sign off of the pedestal and the cabinet size. That was all done so that you can so that you maximize the visibility and being 00:11:37
able to make some safe directional, you know. 00:11:45
Decisions along Geneva so. 00:11:55
We do this often and it isn't like, hey, let's just build the biggest and brightest because there's a cost involved with that and 00:11:58
so. 00:12:03
The valuation of this sign, just this sign alone is near $60,000. And so that's that's a little bit. And so between the design and 00:12:10
the infrastructure to to have it there and everything is, is something that. 00:12:19
Why? Why we went with that size and height? I really do appreciate that, appreciate the fact that there are studies and all those 00:12:28
things. 00:12:32
Part of my role, as I see it, on the Planning Commission is to. 00:12:36
Also, keep things fairly standard and we have provisions to make. 00:12:41
Exceptions to the standard. 00:12:47
And I just want to make sure there's a real good reason for it, because we don't want to be in the habit of making a lot of 00:12:50
exceptions because there's a reason for the standard. We want the community to look a certain way. 00:12:56
Not real commercial. 00:13:02
Some commercial. 00:13:04
So anyway that that's part of the reason for my asking, because I like to see shorter signs rather than taller signs in our 00:13:06
community. 00:13:10
The lighting of this sign the the large multi tenant sign. 00:13:17
The only part that is lit will be the. 00:13:22
Gasoline price part Or will it all be lit? Or it's all lit? For example, what will show up is the Maverick and the Mountain at 00:13:25
night. 00:13:31
And but once again, it's, it's, it's from behind in a cabinet, it's your standard cabinet lighting that comes out, the price 00:13:37
changers, their LED. And if you know, sometimes your, your cruising around at night and going, those are just glaring at night, 00:13:44
then there's a way to bring them down a little bit. And that's not an issue. And quite often they need to be adjusted. It takes 00:13:51
almost a year to get them adjusted right. So that's something. 00:13:58
The circle around, so the alloy. 00:14:06
At Geneva will be lit and then also the circle will have kind of the rim backlit in that. So it's the lighting is not just 00:14:09
obtrusive with all of this mass. It's it's within the cabinet itself that it's having it. And then some of the light is just 00:14:17
diffused and it's opaque enough that it's not going to really project out. It's getting back to your question. 00:14:25
Disturbing the residents. This is the one that will be the closest to the residence. 00:14:34
Actually, I think that the ones that are going to go over those pumps are the ones I'm more worried about than anything else that 00:14:39
we're not even talking about. That's not right. That's the the one the the new, yeah, the new dispensers, the canopy there is not 00:14:44
even being considered here. Yeah, I think we talked about that before. 00:14:50
OK, back back to, I really do appreciate your thought process. What a multi tenant sign does is it incentivizes not having so many 00:14:56
signs. 00:15:03
Along a right away and giving the benefit to the developer because once again, as you go up, you start spending a little bit more 00:15:11
money as you go a little bit larger. But what this is is this is a compromise and a share of everything when this was when this 00:15:17
was first happening. 00:15:23
And Maverick was acquiring the excess property and there was exchanges between the alloy, the owners of the developers of that in 00:15:30
Maverick. There was there were conversations within staff here that it was like, OK, come with a shared sign. And we like that. 00:15:37
The developers, well, the owner of Maverick is Maverick owns this. And the developer, they actually went into a recorded document 00:15:44
that identifies the easement of where that sign is going to go. 00:15:52
Replace the old sign yet roughly in that well within with within that accent that entrance to Alloy. Yeah, this is this is the 00:15:59
sign that they're going to they're going to have. 00:16:05
And we're going to maintain, I mean, we Mavericks going to maintain it and we really hope that they do a great service contract 00:16:12
with Yesco. Thank you. And I'm joking, but we will. This is Merrick will be maintaining this. 00:16:19
And then just the final comment I'd like to make, and it's more of a. 00:16:27
Rhetorical comment. 00:16:31
The sign that goes on the wall, The Vineyard sign. What's going on the wall? 00:16:34
I'm probably the only one in this room. 00:16:40
Who remembers the original commitment from Maverick 4 years plus ago? 00:16:42
And they were supposed to put up the sign then. 00:16:48
And so don't look at it and being so benevolent. 00:16:51
I'm really happy to see it, but I was sitting on the Commission at the time and remember very clearly that there was a commitment 00:16:56
then to put a Vineyard sign on that wall. 00:17:01
So I just wanted to make sure that we all can all clap now four years later. And I think I think it was overlooked. I really do. 00:17:07
And but you know, Maverick knew that there was a commitment to be done and this particular. 00:17:14
Conversation of the share of the multi tenant sign, it also took a while between Maverick Alloy and the city to come to that. And 00:17:23
I think that the length of that got the other sign not to be there, but absolutely there was that commitment up front. 00:17:32
That's all I have. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Anthony. You have anything? 00:17:42
All right, Amber, No. 00:17:47
Cool, do I have a motion if we have nothing else? 00:17:49
And our motion is to. Yeah, here. I'll pull it up. Yeah, because we don't have it written here. Yeah, I can make it. I move to 00:17:53
approve the ESCO science standard waiver. All right. Thank you, Anthony. Do I have a second? I'll second. Thanks, Jan. 00:17:59
All in favor. 00:18:06
Aye. All right, that passes. Thank you very much and I hope I answered all your questions. Thank you so much. 00:18:08
Cool. I'm moving on to a discussion in action on Geneva retail front. It's preliminary flat B item 4.2. 00:18:17
OK, so with us is Kirk Beecher. 00:18:27
Yeah, he's he's with Central Utah Water Conservancy District. 00:18:32
But I believe the the owners of the property are actually Anderson Geneva LLC. Yeah, so. 00:18:38
This one just gonna give a little bit of. 00:18:46
Back up on this one, I'm sorry. 00:18:50
Oops. So this is the original plat. It's called the Geneva Retail Frontage Subdivision, and it's a total of 11 parcels, but we're 00:18:53
only going to be talking about parcels 9:10 and 11:00 today. Together, those parcels are 2.72 acres in size. 00:19:04
And. 00:19:15
9/10/11 equal 2.7 acres together. Yeah. 00:19:18
And back in February of 17th of this year, we approved a conditional use permit for one of the wells that they want to construct 00:19:24
on, on this partially here #4. 00:19:30
So because they were creating a new and separate parcel, the planning department asked them to create a new preliminary plat and 00:19:37
which they're also going to have to do a final plot. 00:19:44
As part of that as well. 00:19:53
And so the well is going to go here in lot #4. 00:19:56
And just to give you a few more details about this, they've provided the. I'm just going to zoom in a little bit so you can see a 00:20:01
little bit. 00:20:05
So they've provided the all the appropriate public utility easements for this and they've also provided a 35 foot access access 00:20:10
easement as well. And they're going to be locating their culinary water, sewer and storm drain stuff through there as well. 00:20:19
And. 00:20:33
Yeah, there was going to be located in this area. 00:20:34
We in the planning department see no issue with this application. 00:20:39
Kirk, if you would like to say something about your application, feel more than welcome to yeah. 00:20:44
So the the circle you see there, just so you know what that is, that's what's called a well protection zone. 00:20:53
And that's required by the state. 00:20:59
For clean water purposes and. 00:21:01
It's 100 foot diameter, 100 foot radius. Excuse me and. 00:21:05
That area can't have anything put in it that. 00:21:09
Would contaminate the water source. 00:21:13
And so it's a restriction on that area, Anderson. Geneva understands that and knows well. 00:21:16
So just for your information. 00:21:21
Any questions about the decider, Kurt, can I add, can you just explain like what can and can't go within that well protection 00:21:23
zone? 00:21:27
So I mean, you can put asphalt, you can put. 00:21:32
You know, turbine, gutter, you can put plantings, you can put all those kind of things. 00:21:38
What you can't put in there is you can't put like a septic. 00:21:42
Drain field. For example, you couldn't put a. 00:21:46
Correct, you couldn't do that, but you could put it on one-on-one. 00:21:51
Without any issue at all and most of Lot 2 as well. 00:21:57
You couldn't put any underground storage tanks of any kind. 00:22:02
They might leak. What's that in that circle? In that circle? 00:22:06
There's some other restrictions but but mostly it's just it restricts what you can't put there, but it doesn't. 00:22:14
Typically we don't like buildings in those areas just because they could contaminate from an unknown source. 00:22:22
So. 00:22:29
We actually you can see the bottom part of that circle's actually cut off. 00:22:31
But we have to get an easement from the Edgewater people for the remainder of that circle, and we intentionally put that outside 00:22:35
of the buildings into their public access easement area. 00:22:40
So what is there now is just driveway. 00:22:47
Story It's just one place. It's just the entrance to their to their facilities. 00:22:52
So it's it's not anything that. 00:22:59
That is a problem for our. 00:23:02
Club Protection Zone. 00:23:06
So that's why we placed it this way. 00:23:08
So Brian, other than basically the only change to the original preliminary plot is just adding that little. 00:23:11
So there was a recommendation by engineering that when this gets repotted the the numbering system is to continue from 11:00. 00:23:23
Sorry. So let me explain that. So the original goes to. 00:23:28
You know, 1:00 to 11:00 and then when this is replanted as flat B, that's, that's the title that's being added to the original. 00:23:35
It's going to go 12/13/14 and 15 and the engineer has that. They just haven't done it back to me yet. 00:23:44
It doesn't really matter, just as long as they're not the same. Chris asked us to make sure that they're not the same as the 00:23:55
original plan, so that's easy enough. We'll also add an additional temporary easement on there. 00:24:02
A Hammerhead turn around easement for the. 00:24:11
Fire Department. 00:24:14
When those other lots are developed and that will actually work with the. 00:24:17
The owners of those lots for our access right now, our access will come along from 4th N along the the West side of the 00:24:22
properties. So it will come in through here, it'll come in from there. 00:24:29
But but once those. 00:24:38
It may change depending on what the new owners of 1-2 and three. 00:24:40
As a culture currently shown decide to build, but we'll work with them. Part of the language on the plat states that those 00:24:46
property owners have to. 00:24:51
Work with us to get us access in some form or another. 00:24:59
And that's similar to what the original plat said. So with the EU dot agreement that we have for access from Geneva Rd. there's 00:25:04
along all of those the frontage of all of those, that original plat of 11 lots. 00:25:11
There's only two like you can access. 00:25:19
Between 7:00 and 8:00. 00:25:25
Correct. And so the original plat had wording for cross access access agreements across the that E edge of along Geneva Rd. 00:25:29
basically because otherwise they'd be landlocked. And so they're doing a similar easement on the West side so that they can have 00:25:36
access from 4th North. 00:25:42
I'd like to hear if Sullivan has anything to say since he's the water guy. 00:25:52
This is all we're good with. Good. 00:25:57
I needed to know. 00:26:02
As long as they're doing it right, that's all I care about. 00:26:07
You know, every everything that we suggested to them. They. Yeah, well. 00:26:12
Again, like Chris has mentioned, this is, you know, when we get to the site plan and these weeks of other things, but this is 00:26:17
just, yeah, we'll, we'll work with you on the site plan to make the building look the way you want it to. We did it on the others 00:26:22
that we've done in town. 00:26:27
Construction is actually going to start on the drilling of the well. 00:26:33
If it hasn't this week I didn't go look, but if it hasn't this week it'll start. 00:26:38
In the next week or so. 00:26:42
So you'll see a 40 foot sound will go up around that. 00:26:44
And. 00:26:48
They'll start drilling. 00:26:49
All right, cool. Any other comments? 00:26:51
No, no. Do I have a motion? 00:26:55
Read it. 00:26:58
Yeah, here. I'll I'll put the motion up. I can I can make a motion I move to recommend approval of the Geneva retail frontage 00:27:00
subdivision flat B preliminary plat with the conditions as proposed. All right, thank you, Anthony, do I have a second? I'll 00:27:08
second it. Amber with the second all in favor. Aye, that's unanimous. Thank you so much. Thank you. I did I did have one. So this 00:27:15
is this has nothing to do with Central Utah water, which is why they bring it up from there or there but. 00:27:22
As of right now, I believe. 00:27:30
That's being used as a de facto parking lot. 00:27:33
Is that allowed? 00:27:37
Because this is, this is this is kind of always been my. 00:27:40
Thief with a lack of enforcement is. 00:27:43
If you start enforcing no parking now then people think the city took away my parking. 00:27:49
That was never their parking to begin with. And we've gone through this again and again. So I would say. 00:27:55
Sooner rather than later. 00:28:01
Get rid of places that people aren't supposed to be parking because the longer they park there, the more it's expected that. 00:28:04
They are allowed to park there. Can we put signs up like Chris might have? So the, the sheriff's been working on on this so that 00:28:10
there's a private, there's a, there's two sides to this because there's private property and then there's some, some public 00:28:16
property there. So the 4th N alignment is there's, there's public property there that the city owns and that we can enforce the, 00:28:23
the towing and the no parking. But the private property area we can't. 00:28:30
Enforce. And so that has to be, that has to be enforced by the private property owner. 00:28:38
But I mean. 00:28:44
That that that makes sense but at the same time like I can't park 5 cars on my private property just because it's a private 00:28:46
property I mean. 00:28:51
Like if it's not a parking lot, they can't necessarily do it right. I mean, I don't know where the where the boundaries are, but 00:28:56
like. 00:28:59
I also don't know why I don't know how the boundaries are from there. I think I think you understand what I'm saying. Like I know 00:29:04
there there are, there has been some private property owners that have like permitted parking through some sort of a fee or 00:29:12
something like that on their private property. Whether or not that was is a city sanctioned act, I can't really tell you. It would 00:29:19
have to be more of a a city code enforcement scenario as to whether or not that's against our code or not. 00:29:26
If if a parking lot is a. 00:29:34
A permitted use or has to requires a special permit depending on the zoning. I don't, I don't know the answer to that. Yeah. And 00:29:38
that's fine. I just, I don't want a mob of people to come to a public meeting saying the city took away our parking. You need to 00:29:43
build us a parking garage with tax dollars. Like that's not what's happening here. And we need to get ahead of it sooner rather 00:29:49
than later. Would be money recommendation. I I mean, we've been trying and and and as we go, we we just push them to the next 00:29:54
corner. 00:30:00
Well, I mean. 00:30:06
Assumption is fewer people will want to park next to a place where things are actively being drilled and there's 40 foot sound 00:30:07
walls. Maybe not though, who knows. 00:30:11
Do we know? Do we know if? 00:30:18
In one of our earlier meetings. 00:30:21
Sophie, Utah was going to notice this up in the town and the properties there to let people know in advance that they would be 00:30:25
working in Hawaii and all the noise. Has that been done? I don't know if it's been done, but that was discussed back in this 00:30:31
February meeting. So I've received a comment from residents. They've called in because they got a notice from their HOA that this 00:30:38
would be going on. So I've already gotten complaints about the well-being drilled when it's not drilled yet, but. 00:30:45
So, so we didn't their notice was the HOA correct. I don't know if Central Utah did up did send that out, but they did update 00:30:53
their website, thewellsofvineyard.com to reflect what's going on in that area. I think they said that they would work at the HOA 00:31:00
as well if I remember correctly. Is there a way we could just follow up? I really want to, it's really not going to start 00:31:07
imminently. I really would like to make sure that the residences are notified. 00:31:13
What's happening and why, whatever that would look like, I just think we need to follow up with that. 00:31:21
OK, Yeah, we could definitely send out a post just to let residents know that it's that it's coming closer. But they they have 00:31:27
done, they've done a really good, they have a, they've hired a public involvement consultant. I believe it's Horrocks engineers. 00:31:36
Yes, yeah. And it's the same process they went through on the other three wells that they recently did that the two in Alloy and 00:31:46
the one in the Vine apartments. And so they they've done a really good job and they also. 00:31:52
They, they request that people with questions that we send them to to them to answer those questions. It looks like the the 00:31:59
wells@vineyard.com website is already updated and it says well drilling and development for well 16 and 17 April 2021 to March 00:32:06
2022 got the maps updated. 00:32:14
So. 00:32:22
Yeah, the city could just reference that, probably because I think that's their project. Whatever. That's what I've been doing 00:32:24
when I've gotten complaints, is just tell them to go to that website for their contact info and everything. 00:32:29
Oh, cash, maybe just send an elite an e-mail just with the link to that webpage, just if she can post something and just heads up, 00:32:34
you know, public that this is that this is starting. If you have questions, go to the website and or call their. 00:32:45
Info line. 00:32:55
Cool. Yeah, we'll do that. 00:32:57
Thanks guys. 00:32:59
All right. Thank you, guys. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion disclosure, anybody have anything to 00:33:01
disclose or any reports? 00:33:05
The only thing I would say on walk our way. 00:33:11
Is that cattle are now present. 00:33:16
As of about four or five days ago. 00:33:19
On the property, I don't know how many. 00:33:22
More than a dozen. 00:33:25
But I know that they're looking to load more in there anyway that's progressing. It's very cool and it is cool. So Tim, I can add 00:33:27
to that. I, I didn't go down there myself, but some of the, our staff was down there working on a storm drain outfall. And they 00:33:34
said the cows have made a noticeable impact to the phragmites out there. I mean, he, he was saying that they're down to like, you 00:33:42
know, where they've come through. They've munched them down to a couple inches, so. 00:33:49
Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an effective. 00:33:57
Process. You're limited right now to a 60 acre lot. 00:34:01
But so hopefully they're eating their tummy full in that 60. 00:34:06
The luckiest count on Earth right now. 00:34:12
Yeah, something, Anthony, Yeah. 00:34:16
Got thoughts, obviously, but I listened to the last City Council meeting just online and I just had a couple of thoughts I wanted 00:34:19
to put out for the record, so. 00:34:25
One, there's always questions on parking and neighborhoods and things like that and just wanted to. 00:34:31
From my standpoint, I do think that we should start by just enforcing what's already on the books before we get too creative. So 00:34:37
people are parking in front of fire hydrants or too close to corners, or I think there's even like a 5 foot buffer on either side 00:34:44
of a driveway, which really eliminates a lot of parking in a single family neighborhood. So I would encourage the City Council, 00:34:51
which I know they're not here, but. 00:34:57
We pass it along to enforce what we already have before you get too creative or incur any cost. I think enforcement's always the 00:35:04
best thing to do of what we already have. 00:35:09
And they might be surprised at how well that works. 00:35:13
And then also, I know a lot of the residents said it's a safety issue when people are parking all over the place. 00:35:17
And if that's true, then there shouldn't be any street parking. 00:35:24
Because it's not any safer when your mom and your best friend park there versus 2 college kids you don't like. So you know, if 00:35:28
it's if it's unsafe, let's be honest and. 00:35:33
Take care of it, but I don't like the idea of thinking my friends are safe when they park there but people I don't like aren't 00:35:40
safe. And then I also wanted to just say after biking through sleepy Ridge. 00:35:46
They've had very good representation on the City Council since that. They also get lots of attention in the neighborhood as far as 00:35:54
what's this? So there's all the corners, the red, red curved there. And it came up in the meeting that that wasn't feasible. 00:36:01
For this neighborhood, but it was for Sleepy Ridge. 00:36:08
I mean, just saying so. 00:36:12
I think I think looking at all the options there is probably beneficial for these neighborhoods, especially before the general 00:36:15
taxpayer basements to pony up anything to help out. 00:36:21
To respond to that. You're welcome. Yeah. Yeah. So, umm. 00:36:28
The one reason that that public works would be opposed to red curbing everything and doing that is because that is a maintenance 00:36:35
item that will be upon all the residents. And so if we do it in one neighborhood, we got to do it in all of them. Like you're 00:36:42
saying, like you're saying, like you're saying, and then where does it stop? And the the maintenance, I mean, that means just to 00:36:49
add another thing that we maintain, we go and and stripe all the Caribbean in different places. 00:36:57
It would be. 00:37:05
More desirable to not have to do that, um. 00:37:08
But it, I mean, it is an option, it's not off the table, but it comes with the cost. But essentially enforcement of laws. The 00:37:12
coroner is not allowed to park on whether the red curbed or not, correct. And if we enforce that, I think people get it. We don't 00:37:18
need the red curve. It's kind of where I'm coming from so. 00:37:23
We're going to add to that is that we are actually doing a disservice to residents by not making the rules clear and not enforcing 00:37:29
them. Most people do not know what we do here. They don't care about the parking rules and things are not listening to us. 00:37:37
So they don't know. 00:37:45
Don't care to find out, but we need to make it clear by enforcing these rules. This is how it is and this is how it's going to be, 00:37:47
so they don't wander anymore and it's all straightforward. That's my opinion. 00:37:52
That took place about 4-5 years ago. The first time they put it down here very well at all and it looked really, really bad. So we 00:38:00
went back in there and tried to put down something that made it look better instead of having a halfway moving off and. 00:38:08
But from that time. 00:38:16
But trust me, a ticket is probably more effective than the color of paint on the on a curb. So, yeah. And it's also, you know, to 00:38:21
Tim's argument with cluttering and everything with signs and big signs and all that, that's just one more clutter eyesore that 00:38:27
we're adding a big red stripe, you know, here and there. So things to consider and. 00:38:33
And I mean, we're supportive of whatever direction that the the council wants to move. If we we want a red stripe everything, 00:38:39
that's great. It's just just as long as we understand that that comes with the cost and a visual. I would recommend just starting 00:38:47
with enforcement then of the deputies that were already paying, you know. Yeah. And I know they do go in and they do monitor those 00:38:54
areas, you know, but they, there's numbers as well. And are they going to go and patrol every subdivision? 00:39:01
You know, you're going to get someone that passes through every 30 minutes to catch every person that happened to then at in that. 00:39:09
So it's I mean, it they are out there, they are looking for it, they are aware of it and, and and they're doing what they can do. 00:39:16
What's your suggestion in place of red curving and how do we fix this problem without overloading you? 00:39:23
That's a big, that's a big question. 00:39:34
I mean, there's a lot of solutions that that can be done, I mean. 00:39:38
Personally, from, from my perspective, I think in this and I don't know, I, I think that the, the, those sub subdivisions 00:39:46
themselves should provide enough parking for their product. And if they're going to allow the number of residents that they have, 00:39:53
they should be required to have more parking. This is a hard, hard issue in this location because of what it is, but I hope we 00:40:01
think about this as we move forward in like the. 00:40:08
Area and requiring maybe an addition more parking but it's it's hard because there's a lot of different components to the downtown 00:40:16
area as well that they want to do shared parking they want to you know where you can have you know the the double use that you 00:40:23
have the residential and the the retailer commercial sides can share parking but if. 00:40:31
I mean, I struggle with a lot of lot of the concepts because if they're pushing also for you to walk everywhere, well, if you're 00:40:40
walking everywhere during the day, that means your car stays there all day long and then the retail and commercial can't use that 00:40:45
spot. 00:40:49
The other. 00:40:55
Concerns are the on street parking I I really really. 00:40:57
Hope that we get past the development in there without allowing them to count the on street parking as their required parking. 00:41:03
Because if we do that, if we ever have to take it away for some reason, whether it's the streets are so narrow as they're 00:41:13
planning, if it's something we decide, hey, this isn't safe, we need to get rid of parking on one side. 00:41:20
Whatever it may be, we have to make sure that we have some, we have some leeway there to make some changes in the future because 00:41:29
once they are allocated to them to use those streets stalls. 00:41:35
Then we have to. 00:41:42
We're obligated to provide those for them forever. 00:41:44
So some thoughts, there are solutions to add parking, you know, on some of the collector roads. I would advise to, if we were to 00:41:48
do that, you're you have to sacrifice something, which means because the right away is already fixed to what it is. So if you want 00:41:55
to add parking, you need to expand the asphalt, which means you need to lose park strips. So you're going to need to sacrifice 00:42:02
park strips for parking. 00:42:09
And that means you lose trees and and that kind of a thing. So that's that's something that you have to consider as you do it now. 00:42:17
Yeah, there's a turn lane. But the concern that we have with having adjacent on an engineering perspective, when you put the 00:42:25
parking on each side, you slow down traffic because it gets congested. And in some situations like the downtown area, that's what 00:42:32
they want to do on a Collector Rd. I don't want to slow the traffic down. I want to get people from point A to point B. 00:42:39
Through when you start parking all those cars and then we have a lot of those collectors we have are large radius curves then you 00:42:47
you start losing sight distance when you have cars stacked on either side people walking out to cross the street used to start 00:42:54
having a lot of safety, you know pedestrian vehicular conflicts and slowing the traffic down and congesting things. So if you 00:43:02
don't have the turn lane in the middle every time someone needs to make a left hand turn you stop and back up that entire. 00:43:09
Vehicular travel lane. And so you just, it's all a domino effect on how you do it. So you, the engineering perspective would be to 00:43:18
increase the width of the asphalt, which means you'd lose the park strip. So that if we were to go that direction, there's a cost 00:43:27
associated with it, a sacrifice of the open space and the park strips, the trees. 00:43:35
I'm just going to say I'm not a fan of park strips. They're not good. I mean, especially with the trees, they just don't thrive in 00:43:44
park strips, so. 00:43:47
I mean, if I were, if we went that route, my advice would be to put the parking on the adjacent side to the multifamily and not 00:43:51
on. Just do it on one side. 00:43:57
Subsidized some free parking. I'm going to rent the three people now. So and that's so I think you touched on that earlier is, you 00:44:33
know, if these are designed for two vehicle, the number of people is actually irrelevant. It's the number of cars, right. 00:44:40
If it's designed for two cars, there needs to be a way to enforce that. Otherwise there's going to be a problem 100% of the time 00:44:48
if there's more cars than what it was designed for, right? And that's, that's the crux of it. That's the, that's the beginning of 00:44:53
it. And people use their garages for storage and not for vehicle parking and. 00:44:59
Yeah. And and the other things that that you've we've ran into is that the HO as have at first they allowed on street parking 00:45:06
within their that multi housing area and then they they restricted it and so then it pushed the. 00:45:13
Vehicles, you know, into the neighboring subdivisions and define other areas. So we've gotten kind of this. 00:45:21
They've been passed around, the cars just get pushed from one place to the next place to the next place. And so it's it's hard 00:45:29
because now we're stuck with the situation that really shouldn't have been put on the city to begin with. It should have been 00:45:35
something that went with the project itself. And, and that's where we're in a hard place because now it's affecting all the 00:45:41
surrounding residents. And, and so it really is a hard. 00:45:47
It's it's hard to approach it and it's hard to call who's at fault and. 00:45:55
And, and there's not going to be a solution, a win all solution, someone still someone's going to get left out in the end. And, 00:46:00
and as time progresses that people can't find parking, that will, it will slowly eventually solve itself. People will, if they 00:46:07
can't find parking stalls where they have to walk a half mile, you know, eventually they're going to want to not be there and, 00:46:14
and, and go other places. 00:46:21
Possibly so it. 00:46:29
It's it's a hard thing to approach and like I said, I don't know if there's one solution that's going to fix all the problems 00:46:30
Well, and I don't want the. 00:46:34
City to feel like. 00:46:38
It's their problem to solve either because, you know, most small government Republicans around here probably would say I don't 00:46:40
wanna look to the government for solutions. But this is storing private property, and they want the city to take care of it. Like 00:46:47
if I had too many shoes for my closet, that's my problem. You know, I'm not gonna go to you and say, where am I gonna put this 00:46:53
stuff? You can do something for me, guys. Like, that doesn't make sense. And I don't see it too different with cars, but yeah. 00:46:59
Sorry, it does seem like there's a. 00:47:06
Relationship A parental relationship with the city. 00:47:10
Where we are have residents coming to us like, you know, we're their parents, but we don't get to give them any boundaries or 00:47:13
we're not doing that. And I think we need to start giving them boundaries and say. 00:47:20
We don't deal with this. I'm sorry, you know, and give them clarity because they don't know where to turn and they're wearing out 00:47:28
City Council members and planning commissioners and everyone. And it's all, I mean, not all, but a lot of it is a lack of of 00:47:34
clarity on what we can do, what we can't do, where they should go. And we need to enforce those things. And the most difficult 00:47:41
part is, is nobody's breaking any laws. 00:47:47
Because the road that any road that's public, right, anybody has a right to park on that public St. It doesn't matter if they live 00:47:54
there or not. 00:47:58
Otherwise, and that's what's hard, is that nobody's rights are being infringed and nobody's breaking any laws. And that's where it 00:48:02
makes it even harder to make any, you know, change things and add enforcement when. 00:48:08
You do get to pick and choose, do you not? How long they can conquer? 00:48:20
I mean, you can't pick the who's. 00:48:25
But but aren't there code laws on how long they can park in the public street? I think there are specific to like recreation or 00:48:27
trailers or things like that. Or is it any vehicle? I think in general any vehicle is not allowed to park for more than 48 hours. 00:48:36
24 hours, but it cuts both ways. Cuts for your mom visiting or leaving her car, then while you're at the airport or, you know, 00:48:45
whatever. So yeah. 00:48:49
Yeah, sorry to go on the park contention. I do have one other thing, though. So in that same City Council meeting, the council 00:48:55
approved $100,000 plus cents for the overpass. 00:49:00
And I had submitted a comment just that, you know, I know that that road, it can appear unsafe potentially, but I think if you 00:49:07
have both hands on the wheel and aren't checking social media and aren't going over 25 miles an hour or or running from the cops, 00:49:12
it tends to be fairly safe, as do as do most roads, right? And you know, they actually stated in in the meeting members of the 00:49:18
council that it was mostly for optics. And it may have even been more dangerous to have a fence there for the person who 00:49:24
recklessly drove off the edge. 00:49:30
But it does a perception of safety. 00:49:36
That's fine if that's the direction they want to go, but if the city is willing to spend money on safety optics, they should 00:49:39
certainly be willing to prioritize real safety as well. So I think we've actually done a really good job, like the HAWK system 00:49:45
that you put in, but those types of things I think should certainly be priorities over. 00:49:51
You know, I think. 00:49:58
May or may not be and you're probably on board with that, I know, but I just wanted to make it known that, you know, signaled 00:50:01
intersections, crossings, you know, the bike lanes that we've done trails so people can be off the road, the speed tracking signs, 00:50:06
whatever it might be. Those are smaller investments in a lot of ways than the fence there. So I just wanted to to share that as 00:50:11
well. 00:50:16
I don't. I don't need your comments I guess unless you wanted to. 00:50:23
Anybody else have anything that they? 00:50:27
OK real 2 real quick comments on both of those things. My personal opinion, public parking or the city owned parking is the 00:50:30
cities. They can do whatever they want with it. If they want to ban parking throughout the city, cool like whatever. 00:50:38
And I agree that the problem just if people think that there's parking, they feel like they're entitled to it. And then with the I 00:50:48
agree with the barrier going in, $100,000 is a lot of money. 00:50:54
Especially when I mean the speed limit, it's on Squat Peak Rd. is 25 mph and there's splits everywhere. If you don't have barriers 00:51:00
along the whole Rd. that's wrong. Peak or other mountain roads like and I think it's kind of silly personally. I went to the 00:51:07
retreat like a month ago now. That's pretty cool. We talked about some of the things that the city wants to focus on and those 00:51:14
three specific things are parks and trails. 00:51:21
Transportation or. 00:51:29
Yeah, transportation and affordable housing. So this year we're going to be aligning our code with the state code as far as 00:51:31
affordable housing goes. Parks and trails, there's a lot of park space that's going to be opening up and has opened up and needs 00:51:37
planning. So we're going to be working on that a lot. And also with the transportation and the trails, it sounds like it's it's 00:51:43
going to be a lot for us to do this year. 00:51:50
Exciting things to do. So does the trail ever happen to connect to the lake over to the one that goes behind? No, not yet. Not 00:51:57
yet. OK. 00:52:01
I'm excited for it. Yeah. So read up on the are you referring to the trail Long Edge like? 00:52:06
Yeah, so that actually will, they'll probably gonna have a. 00:52:14
Pre construction meeting I think next week and so that'll be happening sooner than later. So this summer, sometimes this probably 00:52:20
before the summer. So that'll get the the will now have a when I say complete, it's still not complete, but we'll have A1 segment 00:52:28
of trail there that will get you from the Marina to the South end of the Shores subdivision. 00:52:37
And and then in the near future. 00:52:47
Umm, maybe. 00:52:51
By a year, a year and a half from now, the Linden Heritage Trail will also make it to the Marina. 00:52:53
And so then that will extend that. So that trail along the lake is a county, it's a county master plan trail. And so the 00:53:01
maintenance of that trail will eventually turn over to the county right now. 00:53:07
Every the older part along the old road is the counties, and everything South of that is the cities. 00:53:15
But we'll eventually get that all ironed out to where the county takes care of that, the asphalt of that trail and then so the 00:53:21
Linen Heritage Trail then if you're familiar with that or not that that'll connect and we'll get you all the way out across Geneva 00:53:27
Road and then it goes all the way. 00:53:32
You know, way up to the mountain goes up to the Murdoch Canal Trail. And so it'll, it'll tie us into a lot of other trail systems 00:53:39
that you can access and hopefully eventually the walk Caraway project. 00:53:46
I think they have dollars that are ready come July to fund the trail coming from the South. 00:53:54
That there's only one gap that we'll have once they complete that coming up from, I'm not sure where it connects to from the South 00:54:02
end, but it'll come all the way up from like the Provo Delta area and come all the way up. And just the clay farm is the only gap 00:54:09
where we don't have. 00:54:15
The cooperative, you know, everybody working together on that. So they're still holding out on their property to to do what they 00:54:24
want to do with it. 00:54:29
It's cool. Thanks, Chris. Another quick question about that. When do we expect the road to close that goes out? 00:54:35
Probably Monday. Oh, really? OK, Yeah. So that they'll be putting up. 00:54:43
So 400. So 400 N where it gets to Sunset Beach Park. When it hits 300 W that will become A. 00:54:50
It'll be a four leg intersection only because the existing leg that continues going to the West will go into the parking lot and 00:54:57
but otherwise it'll be a basically a three-way stop there at AT intersection and then going up to the north. The temporary Rd. 00:55:07
that they built that cuts across from 300 W of the Lake Rd. That'll become your main route for now until. 00:55:16
The next SO. 00:55:27
It's part of one of the phases of the downtown is to continue third W up a little bit further. And so they'll pick pick it up from 00:55:30
where it's at before it does its 90 they'll continue. It'll kind of go out of diagonal and then which would be the the the South 00:55:38
promenade. That area just north of the edge homes development is the South promenade of the downtown. 00:55:46
And so that road will go in kind of bisect that at an angle back over to the existing alignment of the. 00:55:55
Lake Rd. and, and they'll redo that. I think up to they have an inner, they have a point that they're going to take it up to. I 00:56:02
haven't seen their full plans yet, but they've, we've been working with them on some of the design and alignment of that. So that 00:56:10
will come. I don't know the timeline of that, but eventually that will come in and make that road whole There is that still going 00:56:17
to so that road even through all of this, the openings and Closings that's still going to be accessed by bike right like down. 00:56:25
But you know where my priorities are, Yeah, I mean the the yes and no. Because yeah. So you may have to access that Marina trail 00:56:33
by going up third West and accessing it up at the top of the. 00:56:43
Edge Homes project and I say that only because they're going to go in and mill up that old road alignment and then they're 00:56:55
landscaping that they're going to regrade and landscape that area between their. 00:57:02
Their, their structures and the existing trail. And then they'll also be building the trail segment to connect the two, the 00:57:09
existing county trail where it turns into the road. They'll, they'll connect that down to the, the Sunset Beach Park. And so, so 00:57:17
you'll, you'll, yeah, they'll be, they'll yeah, you would be able to squeeze through and, and go through there by foot or by, by 00:57:24
bike, but it may not be. 00:57:31
Before it's a construction site. 00:57:39
Good to know. Thank you. 00:57:43
All right. 00:57:45
Because you mentioned the retreat, and thank you. You mentioned the retreat and the focus on parks and trails being one of the 00:57:48
areas. At the last City Council meeting, I got up and spoke as a citizen. 00:57:55
About how we have overlooked the need for cemetery. 00:58:02
We're the Planning Commission. 00:58:06
And it seems to me that we we ought to be planning somewhere in our planning. 00:58:09
For a cemetery, especially where we're making a lot of parks. 00:58:14
Available. 00:58:20
Parks are certainly consistent with cemeteries. 00:58:22
A lot of times there are multiple use where a cemetery may be 5 acres or something, and until that cemetery fills out, four of 00:58:25
those acres are used for soccer fields or for other things. 00:58:31
So it just seems like that is something that we as a city have not. 00:58:38
Been very good in projecting the future need. 00:58:44
And yet we're moving forward with a lot of other things. So I guess I'd like to be on record to say and, and I'll be bringing it 00:58:48
up again in other meetings, but I, I would really like us as a Planning Commission to say that's something we can support is a 00:58:55
cemetery of some size. 00:59:01
We promote Vineyard is a city. We want people to be born here and live their entire lives here. Well, that includes death. 00:59:08
As hard as that is to talk about. 00:59:16
And right now the only cemeteries we have closed are Orem, American Fork and Provo and so on. And those all charge a premium for 00:59:18
non residents to be buried. 00:59:24
It just seems to me that, you know, the question always comes up. It's a great idea, but where? 00:59:31
Well, we've got several wares around the city. 00:59:39
And it's just a matter of priority for us. And I think that we would owe it to the future generations in the city to say we have 00:59:43
we planned for a cemetery and this is where it's going to be, wherever that is. 00:59:50
Because I think we will not have done our due diligence. 00:59:58
Until we provide for that ending spot for people to also have a place to be. 01:00:01
So. 01:00:07
Yeah, Thank you, Tim. Thanks, Tim. Just real quick, my comment on those three things, if you guys can find the time, read up on 01:00:09
the general player so that we're. 01:00:14
Ready when those things come up and we know what the general plan says, we know what the city wants so that we can make informed 01:00:19
decisions. Also, Penny Springs Park officially open and that's it. 01:00:26
Did you guys anything from you guys, Brian or? 01:00:35
No, no. Cool. Anything you wanted to add besides all the things we've made you at already? Not unless you have specific questions. 01:00:39
No. No, we don't have anything that you wanted. 01:00:44
Cool. 01:00:53
There should be. 01:00:55
Cool. Thank you, Sir. All right, thank you. So then do I have a motion to adjourn? I didn't make a motion that we adjourn. All 01:01:05
right, thank you. Do I have a second? I will second it all in favor, aye. 01:01:11
Hi, thank you, guys. Thank you. 01:01:18
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Cool. Welcome everybody. It is now 601-0602 on April 7th. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. Shan Sultan will leave 00:00:06
us in the Pledge of Allegiance and we'll get started. 00:00:12
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:20
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:27
All right, cool. Thank you, Shan. All right, We're just going to jump right into the open session. If anybody has any comments 00:00:35
that they would like to make, You've got about 3 minutes if you want to make any comments. Do I have a a motion to open up the 00:00:42
public session? Make a motion or we open a public session? All right. Second, I'll second. All right, thank you. 00:00:50
All right. I assume neither of you guys have anything. OK. Do I have a motion to close the open session? I make a motion to close 00:00:59
the open session. I have a second. 00:01:03
Anthony, seconds that. All right. Thank you. OK. 00:01:10
On to the minutes for review and approval, if you guys had a chance to look over those at all. I did. 00:01:15
Did the one change get made? OK, perfect. Cool, cool on that. 00:01:20
I move that we approve the minutes of 1/20/2021 to 17/20/21. All right, thank you, Tim. Do I have second? Great. Thanks, Jim. We 00:01:27
don't need to do an all in favor, OK? We're just going to move straight into business items. Amber, if you want to come and sit up 00:01:33
here, join us. 00:01:39
OK. Moving on to business Item 4.1, Yes, go sign standard waiver. Brian got this. 00:01:51
OK, so we have Rick with Yesco sitting there. 00:02:03
He's the one that's representing yes, go and Maverick, there's an assigned standard waiver. So the reason they're applying for 00:02:10
assigned standard waiver is that they're submitting a multi tenant sign that exceeds the height limit that would be permitted 00:02:17
outright and also it exceeds the area that would be permitted outright and so. 00:02:25
They're also proposing 3 box cabinet signs that we're considering as. 00:02:34
Monument signs. 00:02:40
And you can only have two, which they already have two on the on the site that advertises their fuel prices. And so to have these 00:02:42
three additional signs that they're proposing would bring the total to five. But these these box cabinet signs are they're 00:02:48
directional signs. So they're needed for safety and circulation. So we'll talk more about that. We'll we'll dive deeper, but let's 00:02:54
start by looking at the. 00:03:00
The multi tenant sign first. 00:03:07
Sorry, just pulling it up. 00:03:21
OK. 00:03:26
All right, so. 00:03:30
Like I said, this one, so this multi tenant sign is they're typically allowed to be 10 feet in height, but this one is 18 feet in 00:03:34
height. 00:03:38
The sign standard waiver evaluation criteria allows them to be no more than 20 feet high, and so with it being 18, they still have 00:03:45
a little bit of wiggle room and would fall within what's allowed with the sign standard waiver. 00:03:51
The the area of the sign, usually outright, is permitted 80 square feet. 00:03:59
This one is currently 94.2 square feet and what we measure is I'm going to bring up the picture that has color. It's a little 00:04:06
easier to see. 00:04:11
So we only measure this portion that's inside, so we don't measure the entire surface, including the. 00:04:18
Like the base and things like that, we only measure here, here what says like the alloy at Geneva and here what what says Maverick 00:04:27
and shows the fuel size so. 00:04:32
The sign standard waiver permits the surface area to exceed by no more than 25% of the original, so they could go up to 100 square 00:04:38
feet based on the sign standard waiver. 00:04:44
And so at 94.2 square feet there within what would be allowed for the waiver? 00:04:51
And then? 00:04:56
I'm going to bring up the box. 00:05:01
Cabinet science. So these ones don't exceed any square footage. It it's more of the quantity. That's what that as I mentioned, but 00:05:03
because as you can see, they're they're necessary to direct the traffic. They're gonna they're gonna implement that new road just 00:05:09
behind the building. 00:05:16
And so they want to be able to direct the traffic safely out of there. So they have one at the entrance I'm going to pull. 00:05:23
Not bad again. So here at the entrance, coming at the right in, right out on Mill Rd. they'll have them there and then they'll 00:05:29
have a couple more here behind the building. All really essential just for the the movement of traffic. 00:05:36
Let's see. 00:05:45
And then? 00:05:51
Just wanted to quickly talk about the wall sign. So this wall sign Maverick is providing for the city. They weren't obligated to, 00:05:52
but it's something that they wanted to do. And, you know, just helping that relationship with the city. It's going to go on the 00:05:59
existing wall that's on the northeast corner of the property. So right here, we're at #4 existing wall. So it's just going to go 00:06:06
right there. 00:06:12
So. 00:06:20
Rick, I don't know what else to bring up with the signs. Did you want to add something to what I've said? 00:06:22
Thank you. Thank you, Cash. You're great on the TV. OK, my name is Rick Magnus. I'm with Yesco and I just am here to represent 00:06:33
this project once again, the wayfinding. Sometimes these are called directional signs. I know they look big and red on the site 00:06:39
plan, but they are. 00:06:46
Just directional signage that usually in other entities we they're allowed and and you don't necessarily have to permit them, but 00:06:54
once again, they do stand alone and they help direct traffic in the right way. 00:07:01
We're we're pleased to put the little vineyard on that little step wall that exists there. It's kind of a sense of arrival and 00:07:11
community and that just seemed appropriate to do. And for Maverick, it didn't seem like such a. 00:07:17
You know, cost constantly thing to do. And then and then our, our once again, the, the multi tenant sign is within your standard 00:07:25
of waiver. It's it's well within that. So we're complying with with code and we we love being here and I'm just here to answer any 00:07:32
questions and we concur with staff recommendations of approval. And so if you have any questions, I don't know if you do, but 00:07:39
thank you so much, Rick, just real quick. 00:07:47
I think it looks great. And then your sign is awesome. That's cool that you guys are doing that. Just real quick, are you guys 00:07:55
going to be selling ethanol free gas there? Yes. Cool. All right, let's call it blue. OK. Yeah, because people have toys and they 00:08:00
want to keep that out. 00:08:04
Are the signs the directional signs? Are the other ones lit? 00:08:12
They are. They are. But once again, they stand 4 feet. I'm not in my doing 4 feet here. They're 4 feet by 6. And yes, they're lit 00:08:17
because that maverick is open, you know, 24/7. So when they're not lit. 00:08:25
That's not good. So yeah, they are. They're just not, they're just not a empty sign. OK, but they're close enough to the fence. 00:08:34
The like the apartments on the other side of the area aren't going to have like the lights being. That's absolutely correct. 00:08:41
They're four feet. You've got the the fence, the tire, and these are a light source that does not project out. It's nearly backlit 00:08:48
and it stays really right there and the color red. 00:08:55
Really is like amber and it really kind of yes, alright, cool. That was my biggest question is about light. So these are all exit 00:09:03
signs. Are there are there any entrance signs? So there there is out on the sign that you'll see for for the monuments that were 00:09:13
kind of replacing, you know, replacing the faces on there and they will have directional to go there. They will know that. 00:09:23
They don't enter here and they will know to go around, yes. And so even on the direction on the multi tenant, you may see 00:09:33
something that's indicated on that. So you see where it says like one says auto entrance only. And so when they see the canopy of 00:09:42
the of the commercial fueling, they will know to go that direction down Geneva and then make it in front of that. 00:09:52
Where the alloy is that shared access. 00:10:03
It is I I think he can. Can you scooch over to the entrance? Yeah, that that's the entrance to. And the way we the way this is 00:10:07
designed, what you want to do is you want to separate the motion of the larger vehicles to the passengers, let's call it the 00:10:14
passenger vehicle. So that's why you have a four court out in front and you have that access where they can quickly get in and 00:10:21
that and then the the larger vehicles, they go down the road and then. 00:10:28
And then enter and then exit out there on you call it Mill Rd. Is that right? I'm so sorry. Yeah. I didn't know if it was a road 00:10:36
or way or Parkway. Thank you very much. So, yeah. So that's that's how that. 00:10:42
That's how that's designed and and why 18 feet? 00:10:51
Why 18 feet? Why not 15? So what we looked at is and so ask the question, why not 20 also? But I'm looking for a shorter, not 00:10:55
taller. Yeah, I know. So the well, the reason, the reason why 18 is because when when like yes, code that we do sign studies and 00:11:04
we we will sit at that that particular corner. 00:11:13
We will look at traffic flow, we will look at speeds, we will look at. 00:11:22
The ability to provide a sign that is safe and readable. And so in the in the aspect of this sign, the height, the elevation of 00:11:28
the sign off of the pedestal and the cabinet size. That was all done so that you can so that you maximize the visibility and being 00:11:37
able to make some safe directional, you know. 00:11:45
Decisions along Geneva so. 00:11:55
We do this often and it isn't like, hey, let's just build the biggest and brightest because there's a cost involved with that and 00:11:58
so. 00:12:03
The valuation of this sign, just this sign alone is near $60,000. And so that's that's a little bit. And so between the design and 00:12:10
the infrastructure to to have it there and everything is, is something that. 00:12:19
Why? Why we went with that size and height? I really do appreciate that, appreciate the fact that there are studies and all those 00:12:28
things. 00:12:32
Part of my role, as I see it, on the Planning Commission is to. 00:12:36
Also, keep things fairly standard and we have provisions to make. 00:12:41
Exceptions to the standard. 00:12:47
And I just want to make sure there's a real good reason for it, because we don't want to be in the habit of making a lot of 00:12:50
exceptions because there's a reason for the standard. We want the community to look a certain way. 00:12:56
Not real commercial. 00:13:02
Some commercial. 00:13:04
So anyway that that's part of the reason for my asking, because I like to see shorter signs rather than taller signs in our 00:13:06
community. 00:13:10
The lighting of this sign the the large multi tenant sign. 00:13:17
The only part that is lit will be the. 00:13:22
Gasoline price part Or will it all be lit? Or it's all lit? For example, what will show up is the Maverick and the Mountain at 00:13:25
night. 00:13:31
And but once again, it's, it's, it's from behind in a cabinet, it's your standard cabinet lighting that comes out, the price 00:13:37
changers, their LED. And if you know, sometimes your, your cruising around at night and going, those are just glaring at night, 00:13:44
then there's a way to bring them down a little bit. And that's not an issue. And quite often they need to be adjusted. It takes 00:13:51
almost a year to get them adjusted right. So that's something. 00:13:58
The circle around, so the alloy. 00:14:06
At Geneva will be lit and then also the circle will have kind of the rim backlit in that. So it's the lighting is not just 00:14:09
obtrusive with all of this mass. It's it's within the cabinet itself that it's having it. And then some of the light is just 00:14:17
diffused and it's opaque enough that it's not going to really project out. It's getting back to your question. 00:14:25
Disturbing the residents. This is the one that will be the closest to the residence. 00:14:34
Actually, I think that the ones that are going to go over those pumps are the ones I'm more worried about than anything else that 00:14:39
we're not even talking about. That's not right. That's the the one the the new, yeah, the new dispensers, the canopy there is not 00:14:44
even being considered here. Yeah, I think we talked about that before. 00:14:50
OK, back back to, I really do appreciate your thought process. What a multi tenant sign does is it incentivizes not having so many 00:14:56
signs. 00:15:03
Along a right away and giving the benefit to the developer because once again, as you go up, you start spending a little bit more 00:15:11
money as you go a little bit larger. But what this is is this is a compromise and a share of everything when this was when this 00:15:17
was first happening. 00:15:23
And Maverick was acquiring the excess property and there was exchanges between the alloy, the owners of the developers of that in 00:15:30
Maverick. There was there were conversations within staff here that it was like, OK, come with a shared sign. And we like that. 00:15:37
The developers, well, the owner of Maverick is Maverick owns this. And the developer, they actually went into a recorded document 00:15:44
that identifies the easement of where that sign is going to go. 00:15:52
Replace the old sign yet roughly in that well within with within that accent that entrance to Alloy. Yeah, this is this is the 00:15:59
sign that they're going to they're going to have. 00:16:05
And we're going to maintain, I mean, we Mavericks going to maintain it and we really hope that they do a great service contract 00:16:12
with Yesco. Thank you. And I'm joking, but we will. This is Merrick will be maintaining this. 00:16:19
And then just the final comment I'd like to make, and it's more of a. 00:16:27
Rhetorical comment. 00:16:31
The sign that goes on the wall, The Vineyard sign. What's going on the wall? 00:16:34
I'm probably the only one in this room. 00:16:40
Who remembers the original commitment from Maverick 4 years plus ago? 00:16:42
And they were supposed to put up the sign then. 00:16:48
And so don't look at it and being so benevolent. 00:16:51
I'm really happy to see it, but I was sitting on the Commission at the time and remember very clearly that there was a commitment 00:16:56
then to put a Vineyard sign on that wall. 00:17:01
So I just wanted to make sure that we all can all clap now four years later. And I think I think it was overlooked. I really do. 00:17:07
And but you know, Maverick knew that there was a commitment to be done and this particular. 00:17:14
Conversation of the share of the multi tenant sign, it also took a while between Maverick Alloy and the city to come to that. And 00:17:23
I think that the length of that got the other sign not to be there, but absolutely there was that commitment up front. 00:17:32
That's all I have. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Anthony. You have anything? 00:17:42
All right, Amber, No. 00:17:47
Cool, do I have a motion if we have nothing else? 00:17:49
And our motion is to. Yeah, here. I'll pull it up. Yeah, because we don't have it written here. Yeah, I can make it. I move to 00:17:53
approve the ESCO science standard waiver. All right. Thank you, Anthony. Do I have a second? I'll second. Thanks, Jan. 00:17:59
All in favor. 00:18:06
Aye. All right, that passes. Thank you very much and I hope I answered all your questions. Thank you so much. 00:18:08
Cool. I'm moving on to a discussion in action on Geneva retail front. It's preliminary flat B item 4.2. 00:18:17
OK, so with us is Kirk Beecher. 00:18:27
Yeah, he's he's with Central Utah Water Conservancy District. 00:18:32
But I believe the the owners of the property are actually Anderson Geneva LLC. Yeah, so. 00:18:38
This one just gonna give a little bit of. 00:18:46
Back up on this one, I'm sorry. 00:18:50
Oops. So this is the original plat. It's called the Geneva Retail Frontage Subdivision, and it's a total of 11 parcels, but we're 00:18:53
only going to be talking about parcels 9:10 and 11:00 today. Together, those parcels are 2.72 acres in size. 00:19:04
And. 00:19:15
9/10/11 equal 2.7 acres together. Yeah. 00:19:18
And back in February of 17th of this year, we approved a conditional use permit for one of the wells that they want to construct 00:19:24
on, on this partially here #4. 00:19:30
So because they were creating a new and separate parcel, the planning department asked them to create a new preliminary plat and 00:19:37
which they're also going to have to do a final plot. 00:19:44
As part of that as well. 00:19:53
And so the well is going to go here in lot #4. 00:19:56
And just to give you a few more details about this, they've provided the. I'm just going to zoom in a little bit so you can see a 00:20:01
little bit. 00:20:05
So they've provided the all the appropriate public utility easements for this and they've also provided a 35 foot access access 00:20:10
easement as well. And they're going to be locating their culinary water, sewer and storm drain stuff through there as well. 00:20:19
And. 00:20:33
Yeah, there was going to be located in this area. 00:20:34
We in the planning department see no issue with this application. 00:20:39
Kirk, if you would like to say something about your application, feel more than welcome to yeah. 00:20:44
So the the circle you see there, just so you know what that is, that's what's called a well protection zone. 00:20:53
And that's required by the state. 00:20:59
For clean water purposes and. 00:21:01
It's 100 foot diameter, 100 foot radius. Excuse me and. 00:21:05
That area can't have anything put in it that. 00:21:09
Would contaminate the water source. 00:21:13
And so it's a restriction on that area, Anderson. Geneva understands that and knows well. 00:21:16
So just for your information. 00:21:21
Any questions about the decider, Kurt, can I add, can you just explain like what can and can't go within that well protection 00:21:23
zone? 00:21:27
So I mean, you can put asphalt, you can put. 00:21:32
You know, turbine, gutter, you can put plantings, you can put all those kind of things. 00:21:38
What you can't put in there is you can't put like a septic. 00:21:42
Drain field. For example, you couldn't put a. 00:21:46
Correct, you couldn't do that, but you could put it on one-on-one. 00:21:51
Without any issue at all and most of Lot 2 as well. 00:21:57
You couldn't put any underground storage tanks of any kind. 00:22:02
They might leak. What's that in that circle? In that circle? 00:22:06
There's some other restrictions but but mostly it's just it restricts what you can't put there, but it doesn't. 00:22:14
Typically we don't like buildings in those areas just because they could contaminate from an unknown source. 00:22:22
So. 00:22:29
We actually you can see the bottom part of that circle's actually cut off. 00:22:31
But we have to get an easement from the Edgewater people for the remainder of that circle, and we intentionally put that outside 00:22:35
of the buildings into their public access easement area. 00:22:40
So what is there now is just driveway. 00:22:47
Story It's just one place. It's just the entrance to their to their facilities. 00:22:52
So it's it's not anything that. 00:22:59
That is a problem for our. 00:23:02
Club Protection Zone. 00:23:06
So that's why we placed it this way. 00:23:08
So Brian, other than basically the only change to the original preliminary plot is just adding that little. 00:23:11
So there was a recommendation by engineering that when this gets repotted the the numbering system is to continue from 11:00. 00:23:23
Sorry. So let me explain that. So the original goes to. 00:23:28
You know, 1:00 to 11:00 and then when this is replanted as flat B, that's, that's the title that's being added to the original. 00:23:35
It's going to go 12/13/14 and 15 and the engineer has that. They just haven't done it back to me yet. 00:23:44
It doesn't really matter, just as long as they're not the same. Chris asked us to make sure that they're not the same as the 00:23:55
original plan, so that's easy enough. We'll also add an additional temporary easement on there. 00:24:02
A Hammerhead turn around easement for the. 00:24:11
Fire Department. 00:24:14
When those other lots are developed and that will actually work with the. 00:24:17
The owners of those lots for our access right now, our access will come along from 4th N along the the West side of the 00:24:22
properties. So it will come in through here, it'll come in from there. 00:24:29
But but once those. 00:24:38
It may change depending on what the new owners of 1-2 and three. 00:24:40
As a culture currently shown decide to build, but we'll work with them. Part of the language on the plat states that those 00:24:46
property owners have to. 00:24:51
Work with us to get us access in some form or another. 00:24:59
And that's similar to what the original plat said. So with the EU dot agreement that we have for access from Geneva Rd. there's 00:25:04
along all of those the frontage of all of those, that original plat of 11 lots. 00:25:11
There's only two like you can access. 00:25:19
Between 7:00 and 8:00. 00:25:25
Correct. And so the original plat had wording for cross access access agreements across the that E edge of along Geneva Rd. 00:25:29
basically because otherwise they'd be landlocked. And so they're doing a similar easement on the West side so that they can have 00:25:36
access from 4th North. 00:25:42
I'd like to hear if Sullivan has anything to say since he's the water guy. 00:25:52
This is all we're good with. Good. 00:25:57
I needed to know. 00:26:02
As long as they're doing it right, that's all I care about. 00:26:07
You know, every everything that we suggested to them. They. Yeah, well. 00:26:12
Again, like Chris has mentioned, this is, you know, when we get to the site plan and these weeks of other things, but this is 00:26:17
just, yeah, we'll, we'll work with you on the site plan to make the building look the way you want it to. We did it on the others 00:26:22
that we've done in town. 00:26:27
Construction is actually going to start on the drilling of the well. 00:26:33
If it hasn't this week I didn't go look, but if it hasn't this week it'll start. 00:26:38
In the next week or so. 00:26:42
So you'll see a 40 foot sound will go up around that. 00:26:44
And. 00:26:48
They'll start drilling. 00:26:49
All right, cool. Any other comments? 00:26:51
No, no. Do I have a motion? 00:26:55
Read it. 00:26:58
Yeah, here. I'll I'll put the motion up. I can I can make a motion I move to recommend approval of the Geneva retail frontage 00:27:00
subdivision flat B preliminary plat with the conditions as proposed. All right, thank you, Anthony, do I have a second? I'll 00:27:08
second it. Amber with the second all in favor. Aye, that's unanimous. Thank you so much. Thank you. I did I did have one. So this 00:27:15
is this has nothing to do with Central Utah water, which is why they bring it up from there or there but. 00:27:22
As of right now, I believe. 00:27:30
That's being used as a de facto parking lot. 00:27:33
Is that allowed? 00:27:37
Because this is, this is this is kind of always been my. 00:27:40
Thief with a lack of enforcement is. 00:27:43
If you start enforcing no parking now then people think the city took away my parking. 00:27:49
That was never their parking to begin with. And we've gone through this again and again. So I would say. 00:27:55
Sooner rather than later. 00:28:01
Get rid of places that people aren't supposed to be parking because the longer they park there, the more it's expected that. 00:28:04
They are allowed to park there. Can we put signs up like Chris might have? So the, the sheriff's been working on on this so that 00:28:10
there's a private, there's a, there's two sides to this because there's private property and then there's some, some public 00:28:16
property there. So the 4th N alignment is there's, there's public property there that the city owns and that we can enforce the, 00:28:23
the towing and the no parking. But the private property area we can't. 00:28:30
Enforce. And so that has to be, that has to be enforced by the private property owner. 00:28:38
But I mean. 00:28:44
That that that makes sense but at the same time like I can't park 5 cars on my private property just because it's a private 00:28:46
property I mean. 00:28:51
Like if it's not a parking lot, they can't necessarily do it right. I mean, I don't know where the where the boundaries are, but 00:28:56
like. 00:28:59
I also don't know why I don't know how the boundaries are from there. I think I think you understand what I'm saying. Like I know 00:29:04
there there are, there has been some private property owners that have like permitted parking through some sort of a fee or 00:29:12
something like that on their private property. Whether or not that was is a city sanctioned act, I can't really tell you. It would 00:29:19
have to be more of a a city code enforcement scenario as to whether or not that's against our code or not. 00:29:26
If if a parking lot is a. 00:29:34
A permitted use or has to requires a special permit depending on the zoning. I don't, I don't know the answer to that. Yeah. And 00:29:38
that's fine. I just, I don't want a mob of people to come to a public meeting saying the city took away our parking. You need to 00:29:43
build us a parking garage with tax dollars. Like that's not what's happening here. And we need to get ahead of it sooner rather 00:29:49
than later. Would be money recommendation. I I mean, we've been trying and and and as we go, we we just push them to the next 00:29:54
corner. 00:30:00
Well, I mean. 00:30:06
Assumption is fewer people will want to park next to a place where things are actively being drilled and there's 40 foot sound 00:30:07
walls. Maybe not though, who knows. 00:30:11
Do we know? Do we know if? 00:30:18
In one of our earlier meetings. 00:30:21
Sophie, Utah was going to notice this up in the town and the properties there to let people know in advance that they would be 00:30:25
working in Hawaii and all the noise. Has that been done? I don't know if it's been done, but that was discussed back in this 00:30:31
February meeting. So I've received a comment from residents. They've called in because they got a notice from their HOA that this 00:30:38
would be going on. So I've already gotten complaints about the well-being drilled when it's not drilled yet, but. 00:30:45
So, so we didn't their notice was the HOA correct. I don't know if Central Utah did up did send that out, but they did update 00:30:53
their website, thewellsofvineyard.com to reflect what's going on in that area. I think they said that they would work at the HOA 00:31:00
as well if I remember correctly. Is there a way we could just follow up? I really want to, it's really not going to start 00:31:07
imminently. I really would like to make sure that the residences are notified. 00:31:13
What's happening and why, whatever that would look like, I just think we need to follow up with that. 00:31:21
OK, Yeah, we could definitely send out a post just to let residents know that it's that it's coming closer. But they they have 00:31:27
done, they've done a really good, they have a, they've hired a public involvement consultant. I believe it's Horrocks engineers. 00:31:36
Yes, yeah. And it's the same process they went through on the other three wells that they recently did that the two in Alloy and 00:31:46
the one in the Vine apartments. And so they they've done a really good job and they also. 00:31:52
They, they request that people with questions that we send them to to them to answer those questions. It looks like the the 00:31:59
wells@vineyard.com website is already updated and it says well drilling and development for well 16 and 17 April 2021 to March 00:32:06
2022 got the maps updated. 00:32:14
So. 00:32:22
Yeah, the city could just reference that, probably because I think that's their project. Whatever. That's what I've been doing 00:32:24
when I've gotten complaints, is just tell them to go to that website for their contact info and everything. 00:32:29
Oh, cash, maybe just send an elite an e-mail just with the link to that webpage, just if she can post something and just heads up, 00:32:34
you know, public that this is that this is starting. If you have questions, go to the website and or call their. 00:32:45
Info line. 00:32:55
Cool. Yeah, we'll do that. 00:32:57
Thanks guys. 00:32:59
All right. Thank you, guys. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion disclosure, anybody have anything to 00:33:01
disclose or any reports? 00:33:05
The only thing I would say on walk our way. 00:33:11
Is that cattle are now present. 00:33:16
As of about four or five days ago. 00:33:19
On the property, I don't know how many. 00:33:22
More than a dozen. 00:33:25
But I know that they're looking to load more in there anyway that's progressing. It's very cool and it is cool. So Tim, I can add 00:33:27
to that. I, I didn't go down there myself, but some of the, our staff was down there working on a storm drain outfall. And they 00:33:34
said the cows have made a noticeable impact to the phragmites out there. I mean, he, he was saying that they're down to like, you 00:33:42
know, where they've come through. They've munched them down to a couple inches, so. 00:33:49
Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an effective. 00:33:57
Process. You're limited right now to a 60 acre lot. 00:34:01
But so hopefully they're eating their tummy full in that 60. 00:34:06
The luckiest count on Earth right now. 00:34:12
Yeah, something, Anthony, Yeah. 00:34:16
Got thoughts, obviously, but I listened to the last City Council meeting just online and I just had a couple of thoughts I wanted 00:34:19
to put out for the record, so. 00:34:25
One, there's always questions on parking and neighborhoods and things like that and just wanted to. 00:34:31
From my standpoint, I do think that we should start by just enforcing what's already on the books before we get too creative. So 00:34:37
people are parking in front of fire hydrants or too close to corners, or I think there's even like a 5 foot buffer on either side 00:34:44
of a driveway, which really eliminates a lot of parking in a single family neighborhood. So I would encourage the City Council, 00:34:51
which I know they're not here, but. 00:34:57
We pass it along to enforce what we already have before you get too creative or incur any cost. I think enforcement's always the 00:35:04
best thing to do of what we already have. 00:35:09
And they might be surprised at how well that works. 00:35:13
And then also, I know a lot of the residents said it's a safety issue when people are parking all over the place. 00:35:17
And if that's true, then there shouldn't be any street parking. 00:35:24
Because it's not any safer when your mom and your best friend park there versus 2 college kids you don't like. So you know, if 00:35:28
it's if it's unsafe, let's be honest and. 00:35:33
Take care of it, but I don't like the idea of thinking my friends are safe when they park there but people I don't like aren't 00:35:40
safe. And then I also wanted to just say after biking through sleepy Ridge. 00:35:46
They've had very good representation on the City Council since that. They also get lots of attention in the neighborhood as far as 00:35:54
what's this? So there's all the corners, the red, red curved there. And it came up in the meeting that that wasn't feasible. 00:36:01
For this neighborhood, but it was for Sleepy Ridge. 00:36:08
I mean, just saying so. 00:36:12
I think I think looking at all the options there is probably beneficial for these neighborhoods, especially before the general 00:36:15
taxpayer basements to pony up anything to help out. 00:36:21
To respond to that. You're welcome. Yeah. Yeah. So, umm. 00:36:28
The one reason that that public works would be opposed to red curbing everything and doing that is because that is a maintenance 00:36:35
item that will be upon all the residents. And so if we do it in one neighborhood, we got to do it in all of them. Like you're 00:36:42
saying, like you're saying, like you're saying, and then where does it stop? And the the maintenance, I mean, that means just to 00:36:49
add another thing that we maintain, we go and and stripe all the Caribbean in different places. 00:36:57
It would be. 00:37:05
More desirable to not have to do that, um. 00:37:08
But it, I mean, it is an option, it's not off the table, but it comes with the cost. But essentially enforcement of laws. The 00:37:12
coroner is not allowed to park on whether the red curbed or not, correct. And if we enforce that, I think people get it. We don't 00:37:18
need the red curve. It's kind of where I'm coming from so. 00:37:23
We're going to add to that is that we are actually doing a disservice to residents by not making the rules clear and not enforcing 00:37:29
them. Most people do not know what we do here. They don't care about the parking rules and things are not listening to us. 00:37:37
So they don't know. 00:37:45
Don't care to find out, but we need to make it clear by enforcing these rules. This is how it is and this is how it's going to be, 00:37:47
so they don't wander anymore and it's all straightforward. That's my opinion. 00:37:52
That took place about 4-5 years ago. The first time they put it down here very well at all and it looked really, really bad. So we 00:38:00
went back in there and tried to put down something that made it look better instead of having a halfway moving off and. 00:38:08
But from that time. 00:38:16
But trust me, a ticket is probably more effective than the color of paint on the on a curb. So, yeah. And it's also, you know, to 00:38:21
Tim's argument with cluttering and everything with signs and big signs and all that, that's just one more clutter eyesore that 00:38:27
we're adding a big red stripe, you know, here and there. So things to consider and. 00:38:33
And I mean, we're supportive of whatever direction that the the council wants to move. If we we want a red stripe everything, 00:38:39
that's great. It's just just as long as we understand that that comes with the cost and a visual. I would recommend just starting 00:38:47
with enforcement then of the deputies that were already paying, you know. Yeah. And I know they do go in and they do monitor those 00:38:54
areas, you know, but they, there's numbers as well. And are they going to go and patrol every subdivision? 00:39:01
You know, you're going to get someone that passes through every 30 minutes to catch every person that happened to then at in that. 00:39:09
So it's I mean, it they are out there, they are looking for it, they are aware of it and, and and they're doing what they can do. 00:39:16
What's your suggestion in place of red curving and how do we fix this problem without overloading you? 00:39:23
That's a big, that's a big question. 00:39:34
I mean, there's a lot of solutions that that can be done, I mean. 00:39:38
Personally, from, from my perspective, I think in this and I don't know, I, I think that the, the, those sub subdivisions 00:39:46
themselves should provide enough parking for their product. And if they're going to allow the number of residents that they have, 00:39:53
they should be required to have more parking. This is a hard, hard issue in this location because of what it is, but I hope we 00:40:01
think about this as we move forward in like the. 00:40:08
Area and requiring maybe an addition more parking but it's it's hard because there's a lot of different components to the downtown 00:40:16
area as well that they want to do shared parking they want to you know where you can have you know the the double use that you 00:40:23
have the residential and the the retailer commercial sides can share parking but if. 00:40:31
I mean, I struggle with a lot of lot of the concepts because if they're pushing also for you to walk everywhere, well, if you're 00:40:40
walking everywhere during the day, that means your car stays there all day long and then the retail and commercial can't use that 00:40:45
spot. 00:40:49
The other. 00:40:55
Concerns are the on street parking I I really really. 00:40:57
Hope that we get past the development in there without allowing them to count the on street parking as their required parking. 00:41:03
Because if we do that, if we ever have to take it away for some reason, whether it's the streets are so narrow as they're 00:41:13
planning, if it's something we decide, hey, this isn't safe, we need to get rid of parking on one side. 00:41:20
Whatever it may be, we have to make sure that we have some, we have some leeway there to make some changes in the future because 00:41:29
once they are allocated to them to use those streets stalls. 00:41:35
Then we have to. 00:41:42
We're obligated to provide those for them forever. 00:41:44
So some thoughts, there are solutions to add parking, you know, on some of the collector roads. I would advise to, if we were to 00:41:48
do that, you're you have to sacrifice something, which means because the right away is already fixed to what it is. So if you want 00:41:55
to add parking, you need to expand the asphalt, which means you need to lose park strips. So you're going to need to sacrifice 00:42:02
park strips for parking. 00:42:09
And that means you lose trees and and that kind of a thing. So that's that's something that you have to consider as you do it now. 00:42:17
Yeah, there's a turn lane. But the concern that we have with having adjacent on an engineering perspective, when you put the 00:42:25
parking on each side, you slow down traffic because it gets congested. And in some situations like the downtown area, that's what 00:42:32
they want to do on a Collector Rd. I don't want to slow the traffic down. I want to get people from point A to point B. 00:42:39
Through when you start parking all those cars and then we have a lot of those collectors we have are large radius curves then you 00:42:47
you start losing sight distance when you have cars stacked on either side people walking out to cross the street used to start 00:42:54
having a lot of safety, you know pedestrian vehicular conflicts and slowing the traffic down and congesting things. So if you 00:43:02
don't have the turn lane in the middle every time someone needs to make a left hand turn you stop and back up that entire. 00:43:09
Vehicular travel lane. And so you just, it's all a domino effect on how you do it. So you, the engineering perspective would be to 00:43:18
increase the width of the asphalt, which means you'd lose the park strip. So that if we were to go that direction, there's a cost 00:43:27
associated with it, a sacrifice of the open space and the park strips, the trees. 00:43:35
I'm just going to say I'm not a fan of park strips. They're not good. I mean, especially with the trees, they just don't thrive in 00:43:44
park strips, so. 00:43:47
I mean, if I were, if we went that route, my advice would be to put the parking on the adjacent side to the multifamily and not 00:43:51
on. Just do it on one side. 00:43:57
Subsidized some free parking. I'm going to rent the three people now. So and that's so I think you touched on that earlier is, you 00:44:33
know, if these are designed for two vehicle, the number of people is actually irrelevant. It's the number of cars, right. 00:44:40
If it's designed for two cars, there needs to be a way to enforce that. Otherwise there's going to be a problem 100% of the time 00:44:48
if there's more cars than what it was designed for, right? And that's, that's the crux of it. That's the, that's the beginning of 00:44:53
it. And people use their garages for storage and not for vehicle parking and. 00:44:59
Yeah. And and the other things that that you've we've ran into is that the HO as have at first they allowed on street parking 00:45:06
within their that multi housing area and then they they restricted it and so then it pushed the. 00:45:13
Vehicles, you know, into the neighboring subdivisions and define other areas. So we've gotten kind of this. 00:45:21
They've been passed around, the cars just get pushed from one place to the next place to the next place. And so it's it's hard 00:45:29
because now we're stuck with the situation that really shouldn't have been put on the city to begin with. It should have been 00:45:35
something that went with the project itself. And, and that's where we're in a hard place because now it's affecting all the 00:45:41
surrounding residents. And, and so it really is a hard. 00:45:47
It's it's hard to approach it and it's hard to call who's at fault and. 00:45:55
And, and there's not going to be a solution, a win all solution, someone still someone's going to get left out in the end. And, 00:46:00
and as time progresses that people can't find parking, that will, it will slowly eventually solve itself. People will, if they 00:46:07
can't find parking stalls where they have to walk a half mile, you know, eventually they're going to want to not be there and, 00:46:14
and, and go other places. 00:46:21
Possibly so it. 00:46:29
It's it's a hard thing to approach and like I said, I don't know if there's one solution that's going to fix all the problems 00:46:30
Well, and I don't want the. 00:46:34
City to feel like. 00:46:38
It's their problem to solve either because, you know, most small government Republicans around here probably would say I don't 00:46:40
wanna look to the government for solutions. But this is storing private property, and they want the city to take care of it. Like 00:46:47
if I had too many shoes for my closet, that's my problem. You know, I'm not gonna go to you and say, where am I gonna put this 00:46:53
stuff? You can do something for me, guys. Like, that doesn't make sense. And I don't see it too different with cars, but yeah. 00:46:59
Sorry, it does seem like there's a. 00:47:06
Relationship A parental relationship with the city. 00:47:10
Where we are have residents coming to us like, you know, we're their parents, but we don't get to give them any boundaries or 00:47:13
we're not doing that. And I think we need to start giving them boundaries and say. 00:47:20
We don't deal with this. I'm sorry, you know, and give them clarity because they don't know where to turn and they're wearing out 00:47:28
City Council members and planning commissioners and everyone. And it's all, I mean, not all, but a lot of it is a lack of of 00:47:34
clarity on what we can do, what we can't do, where they should go. And we need to enforce those things. And the most difficult 00:47:41
part is, is nobody's breaking any laws. 00:47:47
Because the road that any road that's public, right, anybody has a right to park on that public St. It doesn't matter if they live 00:47:54
there or not. 00:47:58
Otherwise, and that's what's hard, is that nobody's rights are being infringed and nobody's breaking any laws. And that's where it 00:48:02
makes it even harder to make any, you know, change things and add enforcement when. 00:48:08
You do get to pick and choose, do you not? How long they can conquer? 00:48:20
I mean, you can't pick the who's. 00:48:25
But but aren't there code laws on how long they can park in the public street? I think there are specific to like recreation or 00:48:27
trailers or things like that. Or is it any vehicle? I think in general any vehicle is not allowed to park for more than 48 hours. 00:48:36
24 hours, but it cuts both ways. Cuts for your mom visiting or leaving her car, then while you're at the airport or, you know, 00:48:45
whatever. So yeah. 00:48:49
Yeah, sorry to go on the park contention. I do have one other thing, though. So in that same City Council meeting, the council 00:48:55
approved $100,000 plus cents for the overpass. 00:49:00
And I had submitted a comment just that, you know, I know that that road, it can appear unsafe potentially, but I think if you 00:49:07
have both hands on the wheel and aren't checking social media and aren't going over 25 miles an hour or or running from the cops, 00:49:12
it tends to be fairly safe, as do as do most roads, right? And you know, they actually stated in in the meeting members of the 00:49:18
council that it was mostly for optics. And it may have even been more dangerous to have a fence there for the person who 00:49:24
recklessly drove off the edge. 00:49:30
But it does a perception of safety. 00:49:36
That's fine if that's the direction they want to go, but if the city is willing to spend money on safety optics, they should 00:49:39
certainly be willing to prioritize real safety as well. So I think we've actually done a really good job, like the HAWK system 00:49:45
that you put in, but those types of things I think should certainly be priorities over. 00:49:51
You know, I think. 00:49:58
May or may not be and you're probably on board with that, I know, but I just wanted to make it known that, you know, signaled 00:50:01
intersections, crossings, you know, the bike lanes that we've done trails so people can be off the road, the speed tracking signs, 00:50:06
whatever it might be. Those are smaller investments in a lot of ways than the fence there. So I just wanted to to share that as 00:50:11
well. 00:50:16
I don't. I don't need your comments I guess unless you wanted to. 00:50:23
Anybody else have anything that they? 00:50:27
OK real 2 real quick comments on both of those things. My personal opinion, public parking or the city owned parking is the 00:50:30
cities. They can do whatever they want with it. If they want to ban parking throughout the city, cool like whatever. 00:50:38
And I agree that the problem just if people think that there's parking, they feel like they're entitled to it. And then with the I 00:50:48
agree with the barrier going in, $100,000 is a lot of money. 00:50:54
Especially when I mean the speed limit, it's on Squat Peak Rd. is 25 mph and there's splits everywhere. If you don't have barriers 00:51:00
along the whole Rd. that's wrong. Peak or other mountain roads like and I think it's kind of silly personally. I went to the 00:51:07
retreat like a month ago now. That's pretty cool. We talked about some of the things that the city wants to focus on and those 00:51:14
three specific things are parks and trails. 00:51:21
Transportation or. 00:51:29
Yeah, transportation and affordable housing. So this year we're going to be aligning our code with the state code as far as 00:51:31
affordable housing goes. Parks and trails, there's a lot of park space that's going to be opening up and has opened up and needs 00:51:37
planning. So we're going to be working on that a lot. And also with the transportation and the trails, it sounds like it's it's 00:51:43
going to be a lot for us to do this year. 00:51:50
Exciting things to do. So does the trail ever happen to connect to the lake over to the one that goes behind? No, not yet. Not 00:51:57
yet. OK. 00:52:01
I'm excited for it. Yeah. So read up on the are you referring to the trail Long Edge like? 00:52:06
Yeah, so that actually will, they'll probably gonna have a. 00:52:14
Pre construction meeting I think next week and so that'll be happening sooner than later. So this summer, sometimes this probably 00:52:20
before the summer. So that'll get the the will now have a when I say complete, it's still not complete, but we'll have A1 segment 00:52:28
of trail there that will get you from the Marina to the South end of the Shores subdivision. 00:52:37
And and then in the near future. 00:52:47
Umm, maybe. 00:52:51
By a year, a year and a half from now, the Linden Heritage Trail will also make it to the Marina. 00:52:53
And so then that will extend that. So that trail along the lake is a county, it's a county master plan trail. And so the 00:53:01
maintenance of that trail will eventually turn over to the county right now. 00:53:07
Every the older part along the old road is the counties, and everything South of that is the cities. 00:53:15
But we'll eventually get that all ironed out to where the county takes care of that, the asphalt of that trail and then so the 00:53:21
Linen Heritage Trail then if you're familiar with that or not that that'll connect and we'll get you all the way out across Geneva 00:53:27
Road and then it goes all the way. 00:53:32
You know, way up to the mountain goes up to the Murdoch Canal Trail. And so it'll, it'll tie us into a lot of other trail systems 00:53:39
that you can access and hopefully eventually the walk Caraway project. 00:53:46
I think they have dollars that are ready come July to fund the trail coming from the South. 00:53:54
That there's only one gap that we'll have once they complete that coming up from, I'm not sure where it connects to from the South 00:54:02
end, but it'll come all the way up from like the Provo Delta area and come all the way up. And just the clay farm is the only gap 00:54:09
where we don't have. 00:54:15
The cooperative, you know, everybody working together on that. So they're still holding out on their property to to do what they 00:54:24
want to do with it. 00:54:29
It's cool. Thanks, Chris. Another quick question about that. When do we expect the road to close that goes out? 00:54:35
Probably Monday. Oh, really? OK, Yeah. So that they'll be putting up. 00:54:43
So 400. So 400 N where it gets to Sunset Beach Park. When it hits 300 W that will become A. 00:54:50
It'll be a four leg intersection only because the existing leg that continues going to the West will go into the parking lot and 00:54:57
but otherwise it'll be a basically a three-way stop there at AT intersection and then going up to the north. The temporary Rd. 00:55:07
that they built that cuts across from 300 W of the Lake Rd. That'll become your main route for now until. 00:55:16
The next SO. 00:55:27
It's part of one of the phases of the downtown is to continue third W up a little bit further. And so they'll pick pick it up from 00:55:30
where it's at before it does its 90 they'll continue. It'll kind of go out of diagonal and then which would be the the the South 00:55:38
promenade. That area just north of the edge homes development is the South promenade of the downtown. 00:55:46
And so that road will go in kind of bisect that at an angle back over to the existing alignment of the. 00:55:55
Lake Rd. and, and they'll redo that. I think up to they have an inner, they have a point that they're going to take it up to. I 00:56:02
haven't seen their full plans yet, but they've, we've been working with them on some of the design and alignment of that. So that 00:56:10
will come. I don't know the timeline of that, but eventually that will come in and make that road whole There is that still going 00:56:17
to so that road even through all of this, the openings and Closings that's still going to be accessed by bike right like down. 00:56:25
But you know where my priorities are, Yeah, I mean the the yes and no. Because yeah. So you may have to access that Marina trail 00:56:33
by going up third West and accessing it up at the top of the. 00:56:43
Edge Homes project and I say that only because they're going to go in and mill up that old road alignment and then they're 00:56:55
landscaping that they're going to regrade and landscape that area between their. 00:57:02
Their, their structures and the existing trail. And then they'll also be building the trail segment to connect the two, the 00:57:09
existing county trail where it turns into the road. They'll, they'll connect that down to the, the Sunset Beach Park. And so, so 00:57:17
you'll, you'll, yeah, they'll be, they'll yeah, you would be able to squeeze through and, and go through there by foot or by, by 00:57:24
bike, but it may not be. 00:57:31
Before it's a construction site. 00:57:39
Good to know. Thank you. 00:57:43
All right. 00:57:45
Because you mentioned the retreat, and thank you. You mentioned the retreat and the focus on parks and trails being one of the 00:57:48
areas. At the last City Council meeting, I got up and spoke as a citizen. 00:57:55
About how we have overlooked the need for cemetery. 00:58:02
We're the Planning Commission. 00:58:06
And it seems to me that we we ought to be planning somewhere in our planning. 00:58:09
For a cemetery, especially where we're making a lot of parks. 00:58:14
Available. 00:58:20
Parks are certainly consistent with cemeteries. 00:58:22
A lot of times there are multiple use where a cemetery may be 5 acres or something, and until that cemetery fills out, four of 00:58:25
those acres are used for soccer fields or for other things. 00:58:31
So it just seems like that is something that we as a city have not. 00:58:38
Been very good in projecting the future need. 00:58:44
And yet we're moving forward with a lot of other things. So I guess I'd like to be on record to say and, and I'll be bringing it 00:58:48
up again in other meetings, but I, I would really like us as a Planning Commission to say that's something we can support is a 00:58:55
cemetery of some size. 00:59:01
We promote Vineyard is a city. We want people to be born here and live their entire lives here. Well, that includes death. 00:59:08
As hard as that is to talk about. 00:59:16
And right now the only cemeteries we have closed are Orem, American Fork and Provo and so on. And those all charge a premium for 00:59:18
non residents to be buried. 00:59:24
It just seems to me that, you know, the question always comes up. It's a great idea, but where? 00:59:31
Well, we've got several wares around the city. 00:59:39
And it's just a matter of priority for us. And I think that we would owe it to the future generations in the city to say we have 00:59:43
we planned for a cemetery and this is where it's going to be, wherever that is. 00:59:50
Because I think we will not have done our due diligence. 00:59:58
Until we provide for that ending spot for people to also have a place to be. 01:00:01
So. 01:00:07
Yeah, Thank you, Tim. Thanks, Tim. Just real quick, my comment on those three things, if you guys can find the time, read up on 01:00:09
the general player so that we're. 01:00:14
Ready when those things come up and we know what the general plan says, we know what the city wants so that we can make informed 01:00:19
decisions. Also, Penny Springs Park officially open and that's it. 01:00:26
Did you guys anything from you guys, Brian or? 01:00:35
No, no. Cool. Anything you wanted to add besides all the things we've made you at already? Not unless you have specific questions. 01:00:39
No. No, we don't have anything that you wanted. 01:00:44
Cool. 01:00:53
There should be. 01:00:55
Cool. Thank you, Sir. All right, thank you. So then do I have a motion to adjourn? I didn't make a motion that we adjourn. All 01:01:05
right, thank you. Do I have a second? I will second it all in favor, aye. 01:01:11
Hi, thank you, guys. Thank you. 01:01:18
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