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Cool. Thanks, guys. All right, we will go ahead and open this up to #2 public comments. Do we have any comments from members of 00:00:27
the public in the room? Do you have anything for us, Daria, you don't have to, again, not to put you on the spot. 00:00:35
Thank you very much. Yeah, Evans and your president. 00:00:44
At the last Planning Commission. 00:00:48
You mentioned about the sand volleyball pits. 00:00:51
Possibly coming on. 00:00:54
I went home and started thinking about it. There. I have just one concern. 00:00:56
Feral cats and loose dogs. 00:01:00
Yeah, and how you will. 00:01:03
Take care of that. 00:01:05
And Dari, we're happy to have Brian. If you're OK with it, Brian call you and he can talk through, but we we have talked about 00:01:10
some of that. 00:01:15
If you remember Sunset Beach Park, I don't know if you remember that discussion. There were supposed to be 4 volleyball. 00:01:20
Courts in that it's like 2 or 4. Bronson would probably know better, but. 00:01:29
Our last engineer was concerned about that and so it was like a maintenance thing but I think with with Brian he he has it set up 00:01:35
differently or his departments organized differently so they they there there would be maintenance and so. 00:01:41
Hopefully we can catch some of that, but I can't call you and you know, yeah. 00:01:48
Yeah, no problem. Thanks. 00:01:55
That's that's fair. We had a sandbox growing up. I had a sandbox growing up. 00:01:57
Yeah, we didn't play in it after a while. 00:02:03
OK. 00:02:07
With that, we will move on to #3 business items. 00:02:08
Move to item 3.1. 00:02:13
Vineyard Beach Park Improvement Site plan. 00:02:16
And whomever has that presentation, we are really excited about it. 00:02:22
Is it Is it you, Anthony? Yes, I'm just logging in right now. I would have to just search all my stuff, like who is talking to us. 00:02:31
Cool, So we have the. 00:02:39
Landscape Architect Online. 00:02:42
To join us in this. 00:02:45
Meeting right now. 00:02:47
Any questions we have, he will be available to also. 00:02:49
Answer Can you hear us, Sam? 00:02:52
Hello, Sam, can you hear us? 00:03:02
OK. 00:03:11
All right. So I'll go ahead and start then. 00:03:16
My name is Anthony Fletcher. I'm a planner here at the city, and today I will be presenting the. 00:03:22
Vineyard Beach Park improvements I plan. 00:03:29
So as you already know, we presented this at an earlier work session in the last Planning Commission meeting, so I'll just go 00:03:32
straight to the main. 00:03:37
Site where we're having this. 00:03:42
This just shows you an idea of where it's going to be. That's the area marked for this vineyard beach park. 00:03:44
Oh, great. So this area here. 00:03:58
Martin Red shows the area that we're that's going to be improved. The current park is just this little corner here. 00:04:01
But it's going to be expanded all the way through. 00:04:08
Just to give you an idea of how it looks currently. 00:04:16
That's a Lake Rd. 00:04:21
That's the existing Vineyard Beach right now. We're looking to have it all. 00:04:22
Improved to have this area covered. 00:04:27
That's going to be block six of the promenade and block 5. 00:04:30
That's the newly constructed vineyard connector. 00:04:34
Just to arrange all of us. 00:04:37
That's another aerial from another angle. That's the Vineyard Beach currently as it is. 00:04:40
In the Lake Rd. 00:04:45
And this is the overall site plan. 00:04:48
For. 00:04:51
The Vineyard Beach Improvement. 00:04:52
This shows just a quick connection of the park and how it interacts with other developments that are ongoing. We have the 00:04:58
promenade here. 00:05:04
And this shows how it connects seamlessly. 00:05:09
Through the promenade and to Vineyard Station. This is a first attempt to create. 00:05:12
City, I mean Vineyard. 00:05:19
Utah City Loop Green Loop. 00:05:23
Well, this just shows a quick connection on how it just interacts with. 00:05:29
The promenade. 00:05:34
Heading over through to. 00:05:38
The train station as well. 00:05:41
So the green loop I talked about this will be the vineyard beach area is going to go through the. 00:05:45
The promenade area connect to the east side and loop back into. 00:05:52
The north from 1200 N. 00:05:57
And back into Navinia Beach so we can have a green loop through the city. 00:05:59
So talking about the main plan. 00:06:07
We're going to have the Lake Rd. 00:06:12
Demolished and rebuilt. 00:06:15
The project is going to be divided into two main parts which is the appland. 00:06:17
And the Lowlands Gate scope, the Upland scope is everything. 00:06:22
You know Northside, I mean on the east side of. 00:06:28
The wetland delineation is going to have a multi use trail. 00:06:32
With many paths for pedestrians, vehicle access for maintenance and. 00:06:36
You know, ADA Accessible Sidewalks is going to have a couple of pavilions with restrooms up on there. 00:06:44
Is going to have a dog park. It's going to have. 00:06:55
Kids play area. 00:06:59
And we're going to have, like, you know, a lot of. 00:07:01
Lawn lawn space. 00:07:06
An enhanced beach area. 00:07:09
With some site furniture as well. 00:07:11
This is a quick rendering of. 00:07:19
The multi use trail. 00:07:22
And some parts of the, you know, the park that we're proposing. 00:07:24
And this here will show you up next is across the Lake Rd. Cross sections that I have here with 1-2 and three. So we have one 00:07:29
being. 00:07:34
The most northern part of it. 00:07:41
So this is. 00:07:44
Shown section one and this Lake Rd. is being designed with everyone in mind where we have. 00:07:46
Trails on both sides we have. 00:07:53
You know, median, where we you know, our pedestrians are going to be protected. 00:07:56
We're going to have some street parking as well. 00:08:02
And that's how it's going to look. 00:08:06
The second section which is. 00:08:12
More to the middle part of the Lake Rd. 00:08:14
Has a different configuration which just expands to add an extra parking, so you have parking on both sides. 00:08:17
And on to the third section which is. 00:08:28
Much S you have. 00:08:31
It back into one parking on one side. 00:08:33
Which is going to be curbless, so there's going to be. 00:08:36
An easy and seamless transition from. 00:08:40
This side of the park that which connects to Block 5. 00:08:43
I mean block. 00:08:48
5-6. 00:08:50
Down to. 00:08:51
The the vineyard beach area without really having to go through any curbs, it just has a. 00:08:55
A different surface on this side which will make it safer and also slow cars down for. 00:09:01
Pedestrians, crossing and all. 00:09:08
So we have. 00:09:12
You know the Upland area which was. 00:09:14
Elia shown being the side. 00:09:16
Above the wetland Deline. 00:09:20
And below is is going to be the wetland area. 00:09:22
And in facing out this plan, we are you know we have faced it from phase one to five generally and we have Phase 1A being pretty 00:09:26
much. 00:09:31
Removal of the vegetation, mass grading. 00:09:38
Just pretty much preparing the the site and we're hoping to have this started by late spring. 00:09:42
Phase 1B still part of the fast phase will be demolition of Lake Rd. Installation of backbone utilities. 00:09:51
Curbs and gutters. 00:10:00
Just pretty much preparing the site for. 00:10:02
The construction. 00:10:06
As well phase two will be. 00:10:08
Installing foundations, You know, installing the pathways ROM stairs. 00:10:12
And umm. 00:10:18
Site structure retaining wall. 00:10:21
And the park buildings that we the pavilions and all that that we showed earlier. 00:10:23
The Lake Rd. would be completed, hopefully by phase three. 00:10:29
And phase four and five would be on the, on the. 00:10:35
The wetland scope, which is going to be contingent on the completion of phase one to three. 00:10:42
This will include dredging of the lake, you know, mass grading of the. 00:10:49
Lake edge the San Siva wall. 00:10:53
Possibly the peers and installation of the beach amenities. 00:10:57
So that's an overview of the site, and this just shows a video of the entire. 00:11:03
Just a rendered video of the entire site. 00:11:10
For the Vineyard Beach. 00:11:15
And staff is proposing that. 00:11:18
We have the site plan approved. 00:11:22
To help us continue with its implementation and construction. 00:11:26
Do you have anything else? 00:11:33
Appreciate Anthony. And just to kind of clarify to you, this approves kind of the updated overall plan, it's pretty consistent 00:11:35
with the FKR plan that was approved in the master, the original master plan, but if you remember that, that plan had. 00:11:42
Up here that was like a quarter mile long. That was massive as I mean it was beautiful, but it was, you know from a cost 00:11:49
standpoint it was. 00:11:53
Probably pretty far out. And so that this plan is a lot more realistic as far as like things that we can bite off over the years. 00:11:57
The Uplands, as Anthony talked about, those are things that we'll be able to implement in the next, you know, two to five years. 00:12:07
And then at the same time, the plan is that we do the Army Corps permitting, we do the wetland analysis and most likely. 00:12:15
There would be some sort of habitat restoration plan that we'd have to do. So there's a pretty big process for anything that 00:12:25
that's in the wetlands in Utah Lake. 00:12:29
And then going through FFSL. 00:12:34
And the Army Corps. So there's there's two big players that we would need to work with. So the the lake stuff is going to take 00:12:37
longer. It's still pretty exciting, but it's good that we get this in a plan now. This is still for a side plan. This is still. 00:12:42
Fairly this is a lot more detailed. We're at a schematic level of design. 00:12:48
What we would anticipate. 00:12:52
Is like the park, the children's park. 00:12:55
That you see kind of in the center just West of the Lake Rd. 00:12:59
That area when when that's ready, we would come through for an official site plan that will have details of the restrooms and 00:13:04
stuff like that. The dog park would be the same thing, but approval of this with what this allows us to do is to start doing the 00:13:11
grading and and kind of those larger items that the grant will cover, the TRCC grant that we received for $3,000,000. 00:13:18
So that will allow us to start to grade to get the trail in place. The road won't be through the grant, but the plan is to try to 00:13:26
get the Lake Rd. 00:13:31
Improved over the next year or so. 00:13:36
As well, but just wanted to make that clarification that we'll be coming back for more detailed site plan stuff, but this, this 00:13:39
will at least kind of pull the trigger allowing the city to move forward. 00:13:44
With the grading and kind of some of those larger items. 00:13:50
Rapid answer any questions. 00:13:54
Looks great. I run on that trail all the time and I think this looks fantastic. 00:14:06
Are there considerations being made for the configuration of the trail separating bikes from? 00:14:13
Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from when we did our master plan back in? 00:14:25
2022. 00:14:32
The push from the community was make that, make that a wider path because we're there. That's when we started seeing conflicts 00:14:34
with, you know, skateboarders and scooter people and kids on bikes and just runners, so. 00:14:40
The the trail. 00:14:47
I believe for most of it is going to be 15 foot width which would allow. 00:14:48
Us to divvy up that space, most likely with the biking we probably would do. 00:14:53
You know on North and South lane and then the the running would would be 5. 00:14:59
Five feet so, but that would provide a slot. The other cool thing because this is the the busiest part if you imagine everyone. 00:15:04
In the downtown, you know, coming down through the promenade, you have two promenades on either side. 00:15:11
That kind of bookend this this part of the lake, this is good. We we imagine this is going to be very, very busy. 00:15:16
And so that's important that we do have some separation there, but there was definitely interest from the community that we extend 00:15:23
that same trail design through through our entire boundary. 00:15:28
And so we could see that happen. 00:15:33
At some point that what helps too though is we do have a lot of the parallel trails. So you have the lake trails. This is a busy 00:15:36
spot. If someone wants to still walk along the lake, now they can walk lower. So you see all these parallel trails. So it just 00:15:41
provides lots of opportunities for people to spread out. 00:15:46
So we're not all congregated on one trail. What we do like though, because there was some thought in the past about you know, do 00:15:52
we just move the lake trail completely. But we do like having the lake trail in that location because it is very visible. And that 00:15:57
was another thing for that we heard was, was safety, you know, like. 00:16:03
A woman running at night or something like that, like like being in a more visible point. But then there's other options too. So 00:16:10
if people want to be down closer to the lake, so we feel like this, this design achieves kind of both those desires. 00:16:17
I don't know if you've discussed this. We talked about seasonal regional drawl aspects of design. 00:16:26
I grew up back east near DC. 00:16:31
And he always had there in the spring, the trees that would bloom there. 00:16:33
There on the. 00:16:38
I don't know if they thought about something like that along. 00:16:41
When we're doing the mass planning here, we're going to have this very unique trail along the lake, but some type of draw. 00:16:43
With the plants or trees or things like that, that's a seasonal aspect that. 00:16:49
If you're planning everything fresh or planning for. 00:16:53
For shades and stuff, but some opportunity there of. 00:16:56
To be very unique in whatever is planned that it could it could bloom or the foliage and the fall. Whatever it would be would be 00:16:59
very unique in Utah and draw people to just. 00:17:04
Walk along the lake while whatever plants it is or doing whatever they're doing. 00:17:09
Do you want to talk to maybe the landscaping? 00:17:14
Very good question. I love it when we talk about trees. Bronson Tattenham I'm with. 00:17:20
The adjacent landowner. 00:17:26
So there is, I think, in the. 00:17:28
Site plan package there's like a. 00:17:31
Conceptual package of plant material. 00:17:33
We're going to work through the tree committee. 00:17:36
Making sure that we're selecting all the trees that are. 00:17:39
Are desired in the city but. 00:17:42
That's something we definitely think about. It's year round interest. 00:17:44
In all of the plant. 00:17:47
Sewing color embark. 00:17:50
Voyage the Bloom. 00:17:52
All of that. 00:17:55
So we don't have like specific varieties. 00:17:57
Right now, but we have. 00:18:00
A wide list. 00:18:02
Narrow down time. 00:18:04
And then kind of to the seasonal aspect of it that residents really did want us as well to provide those opportunities for like 00:18:08
the winter where they can still be out over the water, but not necessarily in the water. So that's why the the Piers have a design 00:18:13
that. 00:18:19
Essentially they're fairly close to the elevation of the street. If you remember there's like a 15 to 18 foot delta between the 00:18:24
the beach shore surface and and where the the road surface is. 00:18:31
So those peers will be fairly high from that perspective, but that gives people the opportunity to get out, get great views, get 00:18:38
pretty far out into the lake even if we have a lower water line. 00:18:44
And to take pictures with the ice flows. 00:18:50
It's also really popular bird watching area, so that provides that opportunity. 00:18:53
Now we are looking at kind of that piece that would be next to the Boardwalk park, the the park area, if you want to show that. 00:18:59
Maybe just highlight? 00:19:06
Right. Yeah, right there. So that's I think a 2 1/2 acre to three acre park and that we've talked about doing ice skating. So 00:19:08
there's there, there's some components that we could add. 00:19:13
That could potentially bring people out there in the winter to provide like a draw. 00:19:18
So yeah, lots of different options. We haven't, but there's definitely like spaces that are still available that as we start to 00:19:25
use it and residents want certain amenities, then we have areas where we can plug those that out. 00:19:31
There are, there are planned fire pits as well. That's one of the elements that we identified in the grant that we would. 00:19:38
Purchase those firefights and. 00:19:45
Any other questions? 00:19:55
Then and you chair if you want. You can open to the public too, if they have any questions or sure. 00:19:59
Do we have any questions or comments from the public on? 00:20:04
Site plan. 00:20:08
Yeah, I know. 00:20:11
Well, yeah, just a comment. 00:20:13
Yeah, this looks great. These renderings are amazing. I didn't catch at what phase will the water become blue. 00:20:17
Let's phase. 00:20:25
1515 to 17 When we dye the water, there we go. 00:20:27
So I mean that is a really good question, you know, I'll joke and aside that, the idea too. If you go back to the site plan, maybe 00:20:33
you can highlight the the sand saver wall. 00:20:38
So part of what our our plan will include. 00:20:44
On the low lend. 00:20:48
Part to the yeah. 00:20:50
Is to put a sand saver wall or some sort of mechanism that will help to retain. 00:20:54
The depth of the water. So right now Vineyard beach, you go out in the water. 00:21:01
You know it's fun making my kids like this squishy, like disgusting. So as you walk out there, but you know it's very low so you 00:21:05
can't really swim. So the idea is that when we build those Piers, those could act as the kind of the supporting feature on the 00:21:11
sides for a san saver wall that can run between them. Then that would provide us opportunity to dredge out the the immediate area 00:21:17
so that we'll have some some good depth. So you could actually do some some good swimming and paddle boarding and that kind of 00:21:22
stuff close to the shore. 00:21:28
But they'll take quite a bit of engineering and but it is something that we have worked with kind of the aquatic with an aquatic 00:21:35
engineering group. Nicola Moffett. During the master plan they said yeah that's that is very doable but it's going to take some 00:21:42
time to figure it out and most likely to the state will require us to do some sort of a pilot project. 00:21:48
For something like that, so we may, we may deal. 00:21:56
Just like a portion of it to see how it holds up over over a season before we pulled the trigger on that that full. 00:22:00
Sand Saber wall. That's going to be a pretty significant capital project. 00:22:06
But yeah, I hope. 00:22:12
The hope is that the water is blue at least. 00:22:13
Where we're swimming. 00:22:16
OK. 00:22:19
But other than that, we're got a comment on if that's right. 00:22:22
Yeah. 00:22:26
Yeah, just state your name. 00:22:28
Neighborhood You're in Jacob Wood Lakefront. 00:22:30
So you guys are going to rebuild the Lake Rd. 00:22:33
Yeah, And if you are sort of going to take, so I live in lakefront, I use that Lake Rd. a lot to. 00:22:36
Yeah. Do you expect any residents or residents to use that new road? 00:22:42
Yeah. Yes, that's a. 00:22:50
That's a good question. So the Lake Rd. a lot of times people see the Lake Rd. and they think Vayner Connector, the vendor 00:22:53
connector will just be east of, well, it is east of where the sword is for the Lake Rd. But this Lake Rd. will have access to the 00:22:59
Vineyard connector. I don't know if you're aware, Vineyard Connector will actually go to Pioneer Crossing. So it'll make a really 00:23:05
big regional connection. So it's going to be a significant thoroughfare through Utah County. 00:23:12
And so you'll be able to go north from where you're at. So that's 300 W and then you'll make a turn to the east and that turns 00:23:19
back. So it's kind of the same Rd. just as a turn and turns into Lake Rd. But if you go up there where you see the bend in that 00:23:24
picture in the road. 00:23:29
That. 00:23:36
Will actually feed into the vineyard connector from there. So about half a mile up from, yeah. Mm-hmm. 00:23:37
Yeah. And that'll get you on the Regional highway. 00:23:43
Yep. 00:23:46
Yeah, so tonight. 00:23:53
If you're good to me, we are, we're looking for. 00:23:54
An approval or approval with conditions or denial for deny it. Tell us why we'll feel sad and then we'll come back again. But 00:23:57
we're yeah, we're looking for an action and you are the deciding body on this. Is this the site plan? 00:24:03
OK. 00:24:10
By again, my only comment is. 00:24:13
Been working on this for a while. 00:24:16
So far you've just built on what we discussed initially in the very beginning that's. 00:24:20
It's refreshing to have consistency and making it better as we go. 00:24:25
So yeah, and just really quick, I want to do a shout out to Anthony. He's kind of taking this working with Flagship, working with 00:24:33
Northern Engineering, with OJB, with a lot of designers. 00:24:39
He's taking this from a very conceptual idea, from the master plan to something that's at a schematic level that's ready to be 00:24:45
engineered. And so, you know, hats off to you buddy. Did a great job, done a lot of work. 00:24:52
It is appreciated and very noticed. 00:24:59
OK. 00:25:03
All right. Do either of you? 00:25:04
Want to make a motion? 00:25:07
Chris or Graydon? 00:25:10
If I could get the. 00:25:12
I know, right? 00:25:14
I have a motion I move to approve the vineyard beach. 00:25:16
Park site plan is requested by staff with the proposed conditions. 00:25:19
OK. And do you have a second? 00:25:25
Second, all in favor. 00:25:28
Aye. 00:25:30
Cool. And with that we will move to #4. 00:25:32
Staff, Commission and committee reports, do we have anything of note tonight? 00:25:39
Steph Yeah, we've got a few items. Cool. 00:25:45
So great. Thank you guys. Thank you for so as you know we have the the the Mill Rd. grant Anthony was successful and getting that 00:25:49
grant. 00:25:54
He's just hitting home runs. What's going on? Cash. Where did cash go? Yeah, where's cash? 00:25:59
That's a great deal. I'm trying to pit them against each other, you know, so they don't align against me. That's how you do it, 00:26:07
this proper management right there. So we'll be working on Mill Road and the idea with Mill Rd. is to make it a safer Rd. for 00:26:13
crossings so people can cross. When we did our town hall meeting there last year, we had really good attendance and that was a 00:26:19
major concern from the residents was it's very dangerous. 00:26:24
They seemed like everyone liked their individual community, but as soon as they want to leave their community or they have kids 00:26:31
trying to get to school or going to Maverick or whatnot, it was very dangerous. 00:26:35
And so just to let people know, no, we are not. I don't know. 00:26:40
Who has been telling people this? But we are not want we're not going to remove traffic lanes from Mill Rd. We do want to make 00:26:43
mill roads safer. So if we can incorporate some bicycle infrastructure or some good crossings in some areas, try trying to slow 00:26:50
the traffic. Because even though it's signed at 35, we're getting people going 50 miles an hour constantly and we've all seen that 00:26:56
graph a pedestrian with an impact at 50 miles an hour is. 00:27:02
You know, not not going to be walking away from that, right? So anyway. 00:27:10
Yeah. So we want to make it safer. So we'll be geared up for that. We might do. 00:27:15
We're going to do a town hall over there again, but with the consultant we're going to, we've got all the comments from the one 00:27:20
last year. So we'll try to get some concepts together and bring those to the public and. 00:27:25
Anyway, just yeah, that'll be an exciting project. 00:27:31
So I agree. Cool. 00:27:34
If anything else you guys want. 00:27:36
OK. All right. 00:27:38
Commissioners, you got anything? 00:27:41
No. You good. 00:27:44
So Daria wants to know how much the grant was for it was 120,000. 00:27:48
And that's for a wayfinding signage plan, too. So it'll be both the Mill Rd. corridor is coming the streets next to it and looking 00:27:53
at doing wayfinding signage citywide. 00:27:58
That's great. 00:28:05
All right, if that is it, then. 00:28:07
This meeting is adjourned. 00:28:11
Until next time. 00:28:14
Thanks guys. Thanks for coming, Daria. 00:28:16
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I forgot to ask somebody else to do it, so I will lead us in a Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:02
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:10
Of the United States of America. 00:00:13
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:00:15
One Nation. 00:00:18
Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:21
Cool. Thanks, guys. All right, we will go ahead and open this up to #2 public comments. Do we have any comments from members of 00:00:27
the public in the room? Do you have anything for us, Daria, you don't have to, again, not to put you on the spot. 00:00:35
Thank you very much. Yeah, Evans and your president. 00:00:44
At the last Planning Commission. 00:00:48
You mentioned about the sand volleyball pits. 00:00:51
Possibly coming on. 00:00:54
I went home and started thinking about it. There. I have just one concern. 00:00:56
Feral cats and loose dogs. 00:01:00
Yeah, and how you will. 00:01:03
Take care of that. 00:01:05
And Dari, we're happy to have Brian. If you're OK with it, Brian call you and he can talk through, but we we have talked about 00:01:10
some of that. 00:01:15
If you remember Sunset Beach Park, I don't know if you remember that discussion. There were supposed to be 4 volleyball. 00:01:20
Courts in that it's like 2 or 4. Bronson would probably know better, but. 00:01:29
Our last engineer was concerned about that and so it was like a maintenance thing but I think with with Brian he he has it set up 00:01:35
differently or his departments organized differently so they they there there would be maintenance and so. 00:01:41
Hopefully we can catch some of that, but I can't call you and you know, yeah. 00:01:48
Yeah, no problem. Thanks. 00:01:55
That's that's fair. We had a sandbox growing up. I had a sandbox growing up. 00:01:57
Yeah, we didn't play in it after a while. 00:02:03
OK. 00:02:07
With that, we will move on to #3 business items. 00:02:08
Move to item 3.1. 00:02:13
Vineyard Beach Park Improvement Site plan. 00:02:16
And whomever has that presentation, we are really excited about it. 00:02:22
Is it Is it you, Anthony? Yes, I'm just logging in right now. I would have to just search all my stuff, like who is talking to us. 00:02:31
Cool, So we have the. 00:02:39
Landscape Architect Online. 00:02:42
To join us in this. 00:02:45
Meeting right now. 00:02:47
Any questions we have, he will be available to also. 00:02:49
Answer Can you hear us, Sam? 00:02:52
Hello, Sam, can you hear us? 00:03:02
OK. 00:03:11
All right. So I'll go ahead and start then. 00:03:16
My name is Anthony Fletcher. I'm a planner here at the city, and today I will be presenting the. 00:03:22
Vineyard Beach Park improvements I plan. 00:03:29
So as you already know, we presented this at an earlier work session in the last Planning Commission meeting, so I'll just go 00:03:32
straight to the main. 00:03:37
Site where we're having this. 00:03:42
This just shows you an idea of where it's going to be. That's the area marked for this vineyard beach park. 00:03:44
Oh, great. So this area here. 00:03:58
Martin Red shows the area that we're that's going to be improved. The current park is just this little corner here. 00:04:01
But it's going to be expanded all the way through. 00:04:08
Just to give you an idea of how it looks currently. 00:04:16
That's a Lake Rd. 00:04:21
That's the existing Vineyard Beach right now. We're looking to have it all. 00:04:22
Improved to have this area covered. 00:04:27
That's going to be block six of the promenade and block 5. 00:04:30
That's the newly constructed vineyard connector. 00:04:34
Just to arrange all of us. 00:04:37
That's another aerial from another angle. That's the Vineyard Beach currently as it is. 00:04:40
In the Lake Rd. 00:04:45
And this is the overall site plan. 00:04:48
For. 00:04:51
The Vineyard Beach Improvement. 00:04:52
This shows just a quick connection of the park and how it interacts with other developments that are ongoing. We have the 00:04:58
promenade here. 00:05:04
And this shows how it connects seamlessly. 00:05:09
Through the promenade and to Vineyard Station. This is a first attempt to create. 00:05:12
City, I mean Vineyard. 00:05:19
Utah City Loop Green Loop. 00:05:23
Well, this just shows a quick connection on how it just interacts with. 00:05:29
The promenade. 00:05:34
Heading over through to. 00:05:38
The train station as well. 00:05:41
So the green loop I talked about this will be the vineyard beach area is going to go through the. 00:05:45
The promenade area connect to the east side and loop back into. 00:05:52
The north from 1200 N. 00:05:57
And back into Navinia Beach so we can have a green loop through the city. 00:05:59
So talking about the main plan. 00:06:07
We're going to have the Lake Rd. 00:06:12
Demolished and rebuilt. 00:06:15
The project is going to be divided into two main parts which is the appland. 00:06:17
And the Lowlands Gate scope, the Upland scope is everything. 00:06:22
You know Northside, I mean on the east side of. 00:06:28
The wetland delineation is going to have a multi use trail. 00:06:32
With many paths for pedestrians, vehicle access for maintenance and. 00:06:36
You know, ADA Accessible Sidewalks is going to have a couple of pavilions with restrooms up on there. 00:06:44
Is going to have a dog park. It's going to have. 00:06:55
Kids play area. 00:06:59
And we're going to have, like, you know, a lot of. 00:07:01
Lawn lawn space. 00:07:06
An enhanced beach area. 00:07:09
With some site furniture as well. 00:07:11
This is a quick rendering of. 00:07:19
The multi use trail. 00:07:22
And some parts of the, you know, the park that we're proposing. 00:07:24
And this here will show you up next is across the Lake Rd. Cross sections that I have here with 1-2 and three. So we have one 00:07:29
being. 00:07:34
The most northern part of it. 00:07:41
So this is. 00:07:44
Shown section one and this Lake Rd. is being designed with everyone in mind where we have. 00:07:46
Trails on both sides we have. 00:07:53
You know, median, where we you know, our pedestrians are going to be protected. 00:07:56
We're going to have some street parking as well. 00:08:02
And that's how it's going to look. 00:08:06
The second section which is. 00:08:12
More to the middle part of the Lake Rd. 00:08:14
Has a different configuration which just expands to add an extra parking, so you have parking on both sides. 00:08:17
And on to the third section which is. 00:08:28
Much S you have. 00:08:31
It back into one parking on one side. 00:08:33
Which is going to be curbless, so there's going to be. 00:08:36
An easy and seamless transition from. 00:08:40
This side of the park that which connects to Block 5. 00:08:43
I mean block. 00:08:48
5-6. 00:08:50
Down to. 00:08:51
The the vineyard beach area without really having to go through any curbs, it just has a. 00:08:55
A different surface on this side which will make it safer and also slow cars down for. 00:09:01
Pedestrians, crossing and all. 00:09:08
So we have. 00:09:12
You know the Upland area which was. 00:09:14
Elia shown being the side. 00:09:16
Above the wetland Deline. 00:09:20
And below is is going to be the wetland area. 00:09:22
And in facing out this plan, we are you know we have faced it from phase one to five generally and we have Phase 1A being pretty 00:09:26
much. 00:09:31
Removal of the vegetation, mass grading. 00:09:38
Just pretty much preparing the the site and we're hoping to have this started by late spring. 00:09:42
Phase 1B still part of the fast phase will be demolition of Lake Rd. Installation of backbone utilities. 00:09:51
Curbs and gutters. 00:10:00
Just pretty much preparing the site for. 00:10:02
The construction. 00:10:06
As well phase two will be. 00:10:08
Installing foundations, You know, installing the pathways ROM stairs. 00:10:12
And umm. 00:10:18
Site structure retaining wall. 00:10:21
And the park buildings that we the pavilions and all that that we showed earlier. 00:10:23
The Lake Rd. would be completed, hopefully by phase three. 00:10:29
And phase four and five would be on the, on the. 00:10:35
The wetland scope, which is going to be contingent on the completion of phase one to three. 00:10:42
This will include dredging of the lake, you know, mass grading of the. 00:10:49
Lake edge the San Siva wall. 00:10:53
Possibly the peers and installation of the beach amenities. 00:10:57
So that's an overview of the site, and this just shows a video of the entire. 00:11:03
Just a rendered video of the entire site. 00:11:10
For the Vineyard Beach. 00:11:15
And staff is proposing that. 00:11:18
We have the site plan approved. 00:11:22
To help us continue with its implementation and construction. 00:11:26
Do you have anything else? 00:11:33
Appreciate Anthony. And just to kind of clarify to you, this approves kind of the updated overall plan, it's pretty consistent 00:11:35
with the FKR plan that was approved in the master, the original master plan, but if you remember that, that plan had. 00:11:42
Up here that was like a quarter mile long. That was massive as I mean it was beautiful, but it was, you know from a cost 00:11:49
standpoint it was. 00:11:53
Probably pretty far out. And so that this plan is a lot more realistic as far as like things that we can bite off over the years. 00:11:57
The Uplands, as Anthony talked about, those are things that we'll be able to implement in the next, you know, two to five years. 00:12:07
And then at the same time, the plan is that we do the Army Corps permitting, we do the wetland analysis and most likely. 00:12:15
There would be some sort of habitat restoration plan that we'd have to do. So there's a pretty big process for anything that 00:12:25
that's in the wetlands in Utah Lake. 00:12:29
And then going through FFSL. 00:12:34
And the Army Corps. So there's there's two big players that we would need to work with. So the the lake stuff is going to take 00:12:37
longer. It's still pretty exciting, but it's good that we get this in a plan now. This is still for a side plan. This is still. 00:12:42
Fairly this is a lot more detailed. We're at a schematic level of design. 00:12:48
What we would anticipate. 00:12:52
Is like the park, the children's park. 00:12:55
That you see kind of in the center just West of the Lake Rd. 00:12:59
That area when when that's ready, we would come through for an official site plan that will have details of the restrooms and 00:13:04
stuff like that. The dog park would be the same thing, but approval of this with what this allows us to do is to start doing the 00:13:11
grading and and kind of those larger items that the grant will cover, the TRCC grant that we received for $3,000,000. 00:13:18
So that will allow us to start to grade to get the trail in place. The road won't be through the grant, but the plan is to try to 00:13:26
get the Lake Rd. 00:13:31
Improved over the next year or so. 00:13:36
As well, but just wanted to make that clarification that we'll be coming back for more detailed site plan stuff, but this, this 00:13:39
will at least kind of pull the trigger allowing the city to move forward. 00:13:44
With the grading and kind of some of those larger items. 00:13:50
Rapid answer any questions. 00:13:54
Looks great. I run on that trail all the time and I think this looks fantastic. 00:14:06
Are there considerations being made for the configuration of the trail separating bikes from? 00:14:13
Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from when we did our master plan back in? 00:14:25
2022. 00:14:32
The push from the community was make that, make that a wider path because we're there. That's when we started seeing conflicts 00:14:34
with, you know, skateboarders and scooter people and kids on bikes and just runners, so. 00:14:40
The the trail. 00:14:47
I believe for most of it is going to be 15 foot width which would allow. 00:14:48
Us to divvy up that space, most likely with the biking we probably would do. 00:14:53
You know on North and South lane and then the the running would would be 5. 00:14:59
Five feet so, but that would provide a slot. The other cool thing because this is the the busiest part if you imagine everyone. 00:15:04
In the downtown, you know, coming down through the promenade, you have two promenades on either side. 00:15:11
That kind of bookend this this part of the lake, this is good. We we imagine this is going to be very, very busy. 00:15:16
And so that's important that we do have some separation there, but there was definitely interest from the community that we extend 00:15:23
that same trail design through through our entire boundary. 00:15:28
And so we could see that happen. 00:15:33
At some point that what helps too though is we do have a lot of the parallel trails. So you have the lake trails. This is a busy 00:15:36
spot. If someone wants to still walk along the lake, now they can walk lower. So you see all these parallel trails. So it just 00:15:41
provides lots of opportunities for people to spread out. 00:15:46
So we're not all congregated on one trail. What we do like though, because there was some thought in the past about you know, do 00:15:52
we just move the lake trail completely. But we do like having the lake trail in that location because it is very visible. And that 00:15:57
was another thing for that we heard was, was safety, you know, like. 00:16:03
A woman running at night or something like that, like like being in a more visible point. But then there's other options too. So 00:16:10
if people want to be down closer to the lake, so we feel like this, this design achieves kind of both those desires. 00:16:17
I don't know if you've discussed this. We talked about seasonal regional drawl aspects of design. 00:16:26
I grew up back east near DC. 00:16:31
And he always had there in the spring, the trees that would bloom there. 00:16:33
There on the. 00:16:38
I don't know if they thought about something like that along. 00:16:41
When we're doing the mass planning here, we're going to have this very unique trail along the lake, but some type of draw. 00:16:43
With the plants or trees or things like that, that's a seasonal aspect that. 00:16:49
If you're planning everything fresh or planning for. 00:16:53
For shades and stuff, but some opportunity there of. 00:16:56
To be very unique in whatever is planned that it could it could bloom or the foliage and the fall. Whatever it would be would be 00:16:59
very unique in Utah and draw people to just. 00:17:04
Walk along the lake while whatever plants it is or doing whatever they're doing. 00:17:09
Do you want to talk to maybe the landscaping? 00:17:14
Very good question. I love it when we talk about trees. Bronson Tattenham I'm with. 00:17:20
The adjacent landowner. 00:17:26
So there is, I think, in the. 00:17:28
Site plan package there's like a. 00:17:31
Conceptual package of plant material. 00:17:33
We're going to work through the tree committee. 00:17:36
Making sure that we're selecting all the trees that are. 00:17:39
Are desired in the city but. 00:17:42
That's something we definitely think about. It's year round interest. 00:17:44
In all of the plant. 00:17:47
Sewing color embark. 00:17:50
Voyage the Bloom. 00:17:52
All of that. 00:17:55
So we don't have like specific varieties. 00:17:57
Right now, but we have. 00:18:00
A wide list. 00:18:02
Narrow down time. 00:18:04
And then kind of to the seasonal aspect of it that residents really did want us as well to provide those opportunities for like 00:18:08
the winter where they can still be out over the water, but not necessarily in the water. So that's why the the Piers have a design 00:18:13
that. 00:18:19
Essentially they're fairly close to the elevation of the street. If you remember there's like a 15 to 18 foot delta between the 00:18:24
the beach shore surface and and where the the road surface is. 00:18:31
So those peers will be fairly high from that perspective, but that gives people the opportunity to get out, get great views, get 00:18:38
pretty far out into the lake even if we have a lower water line. 00:18:44
And to take pictures with the ice flows. 00:18:50
It's also really popular bird watching area, so that provides that opportunity. 00:18:53
Now we are looking at kind of that piece that would be next to the Boardwalk park, the the park area, if you want to show that. 00:18:59
Maybe just highlight? 00:19:06
Right. Yeah, right there. So that's I think a 2 1/2 acre to three acre park and that we've talked about doing ice skating. So 00:19:08
there's there, there's some components that we could add. 00:19:13
That could potentially bring people out there in the winter to provide like a draw. 00:19:18
So yeah, lots of different options. We haven't, but there's definitely like spaces that are still available that as we start to 00:19:25
use it and residents want certain amenities, then we have areas where we can plug those that out. 00:19:31
There are, there are planned fire pits as well. That's one of the elements that we identified in the grant that we would. 00:19:38
Purchase those firefights and. 00:19:45
Any other questions? 00:19:55
Then and you chair if you want. You can open to the public too, if they have any questions or sure. 00:19:59
Do we have any questions or comments from the public on? 00:20:04
Site plan. 00:20:08
Yeah, I know. 00:20:11
Well, yeah, just a comment. 00:20:13
Yeah, this looks great. These renderings are amazing. I didn't catch at what phase will the water become blue. 00:20:17
Let's phase. 00:20:25
1515 to 17 When we dye the water, there we go. 00:20:27
So I mean that is a really good question, you know, I'll joke and aside that, the idea too. If you go back to the site plan, maybe 00:20:33
you can highlight the the sand saver wall. 00:20:38
So part of what our our plan will include. 00:20:44
On the low lend. 00:20:48
Part to the yeah. 00:20:50
Is to put a sand saver wall or some sort of mechanism that will help to retain. 00:20:54
The depth of the water. So right now Vineyard beach, you go out in the water. 00:21:01
You know it's fun making my kids like this squishy, like disgusting. So as you walk out there, but you know it's very low so you 00:21:05
can't really swim. So the idea is that when we build those Piers, those could act as the kind of the supporting feature on the 00:21:11
sides for a san saver wall that can run between them. Then that would provide us opportunity to dredge out the the immediate area 00:21:17
so that we'll have some some good depth. So you could actually do some some good swimming and paddle boarding and that kind of 00:21:22
stuff close to the shore. 00:21:28
But they'll take quite a bit of engineering and but it is something that we have worked with kind of the aquatic with an aquatic 00:21:35
engineering group. Nicola Moffett. During the master plan they said yeah that's that is very doable but it's going to take some 00:21:42
time to figure it out and most likely to the state will require us to do some sort of a pilot project. 00:21:48
For something like that, so we may, we may deal. 00:21:56
Just like a portion of it to see how it holds up over over a season before we pulled the trigger on that that full. 00:22:00
Sand Saber wall. That's going to be a pretty significant capital project. 00:22:06
But yeah, I hope. 00:22:12
The hope is that the water is blue at least. 00:22:13
Where we're swimming. 00:22:16
OK. 00:22:19
But other than that, we're got a comment on if that's right. 00:22:22
Yeah. 00:22:26
Yeah, just state your name. 00:22:28
Neighborhood You're in Jacob Wood Lakefront. 00:22:30
So you guys are going to rebuild the Lake Rd. 00:22:33
Yeah, And if you are sort of going to take, so I live in lakefront, I use that Lake Rd. a lot to. 00:22:36
Yeah. Do you expect any residents or residents to use that new road? 00:22:42
Yeah. Yes, that's a. 00:22:50
That's a good question. So the Lake Rd. a lot of times people see the Lake Rd. and they think Vayner Connector, the vendor 00:22:53
connector will just be east of, well, it is east of where the sword is for the Lake Rd. But this Lake Rd. will have access to the 00:22:59
Vineyard connector. I don't know if you're aware, Vineyard Connector will actually go to Pioneer Crossing. So it'll make a really 00:23:05
big regional connection. So it's going to be a significant thoroughfare through Utah County. 00:23:12
And so you'll be able to go north from where you're at. So that's 300 W and then you'll make a turn to the east and that turns 00:23:19
back. So it's kind of the same Rd. just as a turn and turns into Lake Rd. But if you go up there where you see the bend in that 00:23:24
picture in the road. 00:23:29
That. 00:23:36
Will actually feed into the vineyard connector from there. So about half a mile up from, yeah. Mm-hmm. 00:23:37
Yeah. And that'll get you on the Regional highway. 00:23:43
Yep. 00:23:46
Yeah, so tonight. 00:23:53
If you're good to me, we are, we're looking for. 00:23:54
An approval or approval with conditions or denial for deny it. Tell us why we'll feel sad and then we'll come back again. But 00:23:57
we're yeah, we're looking for an action and you are the deciding body on this. Is this the site plan? 00:24:03
OK. 00:24:10
By again, my only comment is. 00:24:13
Been working on this for a while. 00:24:16
So far you've just built on what we discussed initially in the very beginning that's. 00:24:20
It's refreshing to have consistency and making it better as we go. 00:24:25
So yeah, and just really quick, I want to do a shout out to Anthony. He's kind of taking this working with Flagship, working with 00:24:33
Northern Engineering, with OJB, with a lot of designers. 00:24:39
He's taking this from a very conceptual idea, from the master plan to something that's at a schematic level that's ready to be 00:24:45
engineered. And so, you know, hats off to you buddy. Did a great job, done a lot of work. 00:24:52
It is appreciated and very noticed. 00:24:59
OK. 00:25:03
All right. Do either of you? 00:25:04
Want to make a motion? 00:25:07
Chris or Graydon? 00:25:10
If I could get the. 00:25:12
I know, right? 00:25:14
I have a motion I move to approve the vineyard beach. 00:25:16
Park site plan is requested by staff with the proposed conditions. 00:25:19
OK. And do you have a second? 00:25:25
Second, all in favor. 00:25:28
Aye. 00:25:30
Cool. And with that we will move to #4. 00:25:32
Staff, Commission and committee reports, do we have anything of note tonight? 00:25:39
Steph Yeah, we've got a few items. Cool. 00:25:45
So great. Thank you guys. Thank you for so as you know we have the the the Mill Rd. grant Anthony was successful and getting that 00:25:49
grant. 00:25:54
He's just hitting home runs. What's going on? Cash. Where did cash go? Yeah, where's cash? 00:25:59
That's a great deal. I'm trying to pit them against each other, you know, so they don't align against me. That's how you do it, 00:26:07
this proper management right there. So we'll be working on Mill Road and the idea with Mill Rd. is to make it a safer Rd. for 00:26:13
crossings so people can cross. When we did our town hall meeting there last year, we had really good attendance and that was a 00:26:19
major concern from the residents was it's very dangerous. 00:26:24
They seemed like everyone liked their individual community, but as soon as they want to leave their community or they have kids 00:26:31
trying to get to school or going to Maverick or whatnot, it was very dangerous. 00:26:35
And so just to let people know, no, we are not. I don't know. 00:26:40
Who has been telling people this? But we are not want we're not going to remove traffic lanes from Mill Rd. We do want to make 00:26:43
mill roads safer. So if we can incorporate some bicycle infrastructure or some good crossings in some areas, try trying to slow 00:26:50
the traffic. Because even though it's signed at 35, we're getting people going 50 miles an hour constantly and we've all seen that 00:26:56
graph a pedestrian with an impact at 50 miles an hour is. 00:27:02
You know, not not going to be walking away from that, right? So anyway. 00:27:10
Yeah. So we want to make it safer. So we'll be geared up for that. We might do. 00:27:15
We're going to do a town hall over there again, but with the consultant we're going to, we've got all the comments from the one 00:27:20
last year. So we'll try to get some concepts together and bring those to the public and. 00:27:25
Anyway, just yeah, that'll be an exciting project. 00:27:31
So I agree. Cool. 00:27:34
If anything else you guys want. 00:27:36
OK. All right. 00:27:38
Commissioners, you got anything? 00:27:41
No. You good. 00:27:44
So Daria wants to know how much the grant was for it was 120,000. 00:27:48
And that's for a wayfinding signage plan, too. So it'll be both the Mill Rd. corridor is coming the streets next to it and looking 00:27:53
at doing wayfinding signage citywide. 00:27:58
That's great. 00:28:05
All right, if that is it, then. 00:28:07
This meeting is adjourned. 00:28:11
Until next time. 00:28:14
Thanks guys. Thanks for coming, Daria. 00:28:16
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