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All right. Welcome, everybody. It is March 15th, 2023 and it is 6:04 PM and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:29
We'll have a Pledge of Allegiance by Tay, and then I'll give an invocation. 00:00:40
Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 00:00:48
justice for all. 00:00:55
Thanks. 00:01:04
I did have my father. We're thankful that we could be here tonight to discuss plans for the city. And please bless us as we 00:01:08
discuss these plans that we will feel inspired as to what is right for the city and what to do. We're thankful for the citizens 00:01:15
that have shown up to express their concerns and their comments, and please bless them in their lives and help us to make a 00:01:21
decisions with them. We're so thankful for thee and I left for us and we say these things to the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:01:28
All right, moving into an open session. So this time is dedicated for public comments, for something that's not on the agenda. So 00:01:36
if you have any public comments, please come to the mic. Make your public comments, state your name. 00:01:42
And. 00:01:48
Have any public comments? 00:01:50
Yeah. 00:01:54
Thanks for stuff that's on the agenda. I saw that there were a couple. 00:01:59
Should I just wait until we do the corridor stuff then? 00:02:04
Sure. 00:02:08
OK. 00:02:11
OK. 00:02:14
All right. Are there no public comments? 00:02:17
All right. If there are none, there's a couple that were emailed. 00:02:23
There were. 00:02:27
Not yet. So yeah, that's on the agenda. That's item 4.1. We'll get to that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 00:02:32
Yeah. And so I'm going to read a couple of these comments and these are for talking about. 00:02:38
Sorry, I'm just seeing these now. 00:02:44
So these are for the corridor. OK, so I'll read these now. This is from Stephanie Lewis. 00:02:47
I'm unable to attend tomorrow but would love my comments to be read to the Planning Commission. My name is Stephanie Lewis and my 00:02:57
family and I live in Parkside. I take a special interest in the park plans that will be discussed because my backyard backs up to 00:03:03
the wetlands. I appreciate all the time and effort that has gone into these plans. 00:03:08
Well, they look promising. From what we have been shown, we have concerns about the lack of detail on what will be. 00:03:14
What will be or could be in the wetlands next to Grove Park? We have seen Vineyard City change plans with zoning at Clegg Farm, 00:03:21
the yard mixed apartments. 00:03:25
To bring in topped off and we see a pattern that could happen with the park. Once these vague plans are approved, we would like 00:03:30
written into plan details to help prevent changes after plans are approved that would include no trees about 5 feet along the West 00:03:36
side to protect all the homes who were promised that and paid for a view. We'd also like all lights to be downcast to reduce light 00:03:42
pollution. We are passionate about only remediation and restoration of the wetlands South of the park to preserve what makes 00:03:48
vineyards so special. 00:03:53
I expressed these concerns along with many other residents and we strongly urge you to add these into final plans as you move 00:04:00
forward. 00:04:03
And then? 00:04:07
We have from Don Overson. 00:04:09
Don's not here. 00:04:13
This is Don Overson. I will not be able to be at the Planning Commission meeting tonight. I have one question comment. 00:04:15
Will the trail system on the north side of the Meadows subdivision also meet the requirements of an emergency access? If it 00:04:21
doesn't, it would be a good idea to have the city engineer put a letter to file saying it is not required to cover the city any of 00:04:26
any liability. 00:04:30
And then Brian Vaughn from. 00:04:36
Says in prep for the Planning Commission meeting tonight. I wanted to send you some info. I love this plan. I think it's it's 00:04:38
great. If I could add change anything it would be. Preston mentioned the need for additional storage space for parks at. 00:04:45
Parks. 00:04:52
With all the upgrades to the park, maybe this could be upgrading the wreck tough shed to be bigger and located at the same 00:04:54
location it is now. 00:04:58
Concession stand at Grove located in Small Grass Square in southwest corner of Grove Park parking lot. Can the trail at Gammon be 00:05:03
moved at all? 00:05:07
There's a trail that cuts through a field, but it would be awesome to not cut that area in half if possible so that it's more 00:05:12
programmable. 00:05:16
Please let me know if that doesn't make sense. 00:05:20
Then I'm hoping the soccer fields are multi-purpose and not turf if possible. 00:05:22
And that is all the comments that were emailed. 00:05:30
All right. So moving on from the open session, 2 minutes review and approval. 00:05:34
I drive a mushroom on those. Yeah. I had a chance to review those. The only minor correction I had is I was referred to as Andrew 00:05:41
Jenkins. A few there gave me flashbacks when my mother-in-law would call me that while I was dating my wife. So just correct 00:05:47
Andrew to Anthony on that. And then we're good. So I make a motion to approve with that correction. All right. Do I have a second? 00:05:53
All right. All in favor. OK, moving into business item 4.1 in the public hearing for the Central Corridor Master Plan. 00:06:01
This is you Brian. 00:06:10
Good evening, Planning Commission. It's through you guys again, Brian Maya Perez, Senior Planner with Community Development 00:06:56
Department. 00:07:00
There we go. Got our TV going in the front. It's exciting to see so many people out. This is a big plan. 00:07:05
So I need. 00:07:13
This giant. Here we go. Sorry about that. So this is the Central Corridor Master Plan Ordinance 2023-16. 00:07:15
This is the project area I'm sure a lot of us are familiar. This plan has been discussion for quite some time, for the better part 00:07:26
of last year and this year. 00:07:31
And it's approximately we're talking about a linear Greenway that is right in the heart of our city. 00:07:37
It's about 80 acres. It stretches about 1.5 kilometers, which is just under a mile. 00:07:43
And the width is 600 meters, and it's located between 400. N&E is in Fandel Lane in the Maples subdivision and Main Street and 00:07:50
Holdaway Rd. on its left and right. 00:07:57
So I think you mean the Elms? Nothing. Oh, the Elms. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much. 00:08:05
Pardon me so this this is quite an important natural feature for us. 00:08:10
This park area provides a lot of ecosystem services. It helps us with flood retention. 00:08:16
It or mitigation, it helps us with local climate control, it provides an area for our wildlife to go and it provides an aesthetic 00:08:23
feature that all of us. 00:08:28
It beautifies our community. 00:08:35
That being said, this park space could be could be better. There's a lot of invasive species out there. There's phragmites. 00:08:38
Russian olives, Tamarisk, Scotch thistles. 00:08:46
And lots of bugs. So it also unfortunately has become a place where more and more trash and references being it's being dumped. 00:08:50
And some areas of this. 00:09:01
Of the site are underutilized that could be helping us with economic development helping video become more. 00:09:04
Terrific. Attract more people to our area. 00:09:10
So this area needs a master plan. 00:09:13
So this is what we wanted the master plan to to have. We know we needed to plan for this area, but we wanted it to enhance 00:09:15
accessibility. 00:09:20
To connect our trail network. 00:09:25
Complete our local and regional. 00:09:28
System and we wanted to connect have a way to connect all of our various recreational amenities in town. 00:09:31
We also always want to enhance the Wellness of our of our residents and provide options for them to exercise and and stay healthy. 00:09:37
We also wanted to maximize the natural space. 00:09:47
We have indeed preserved. 00:09:51
Much of the of the natural spaces that are there and and hope to enhance it to where people can actually engage with that area. 00:09:53
Right now a lot of it is unaccessible. You can't go in there. 00:09:58
And. 00:10:05
We want to change that. 00:10:06
We also wanted to identify recreational solutions and destinations for many. These are appropriate for our demographic. We have a 00:10:08
wide demographic and we wanted to provide something for for everybody and for our growing population. 00:10:14
I wanted to talk to you about the planning process. 00:10:22
It's been a long planning process and one that I'm proud to say we've engaged the community quite a bit. We started with a request 00:10:26
for proposal in November 2021. 00:10:31
We started doing consultant interviews in March and April of 2022. We interviewed a total of 3 consultants. 00:10:38
And ultimately we selected project engineering consultants PEC in May 2022. 00:10:46
They showed exceptional abilities and skills when it comes to open space and parks planning, ecological planning, transportation 00:10:54
planning. They understood really well Storm water management and as I mentioned, the needs of of growing communities have done 00:11:02
work in search of the springs. They've done work in Harriman all across the Wasatch Front. So they understand a growing community. 00:11:10
And they showed us excellent. 00:11:19
And so we were happy. We were more than happy to go with them. 00:11:22
We established a Central Corridor Master Plan Committee that was composed of council members, planning Commissioners, City. 00:11:26
And some other residents that also take part in some of our other commissions. So we try to be as all-encompassing as we could 00:11:35
with with this committee which ran from June 2022 to February 2023. 00:11:41
PC also provided. I'm going to get down to the second point. There they provided tools for community engagement. 00:11:51
They also provided staff to help us at the various events, workshops and open houses that we wanted to do. They also provided GIS 00:11:59
analytics and had all the necessary skill set and tool set for graphic design and visualization. 00:12:08
So. 00:12:19
Working with the consultant, this is the vision and the purpose of the Quartermaster plan. 00:12:21
Expand recreational opportunities. Connect and enhance the trail network. Attract tourism. 00:12:28
Increase the quantity and diversity of recreational amenities and preserve open space. Despite the amount of growth that we're 00:12:34
seeing in Vineyard, we're still growing quite a bit. 00:12:39
Community engagement. As I said, we did a lot of community engagement. This is one of the projects that I've seen. 00:12:47
US do the most in community engagement on. 00:12:52
We launched an online survey in September of 2022 that ran until November. 00:12:56
2022 as well. And that survey asked people about their desired park uses, how they recreated, how they wanted to recreate, where 00:13:02
they lived, family sizes. Really trying to understand. 00:13:08
The demographics that were here in Vineyard. 00:13:15
And where they wanted to see things located. 00:13:18
We had. 00:13:21
More than 600 people respond to the survey. It's. 00:13:22
Response rate, we had lots of comments, lots of shares and so when it comes to the survey, I think we did, we did a good job of 00:13:26
reaching out to as many people as we could. 00:13:31
With the survey, we had a QR code at all of our events and workshops that took people to the survey. And we if you met us out 00:13:38
there while we were at the parks and at City Hall and all these different locations, we always encourage people to please fill out 00:13:44
the survey, Let us know how you're feeling, what you think about it, if you'd like it, if you don't like it. 00:13:50
We had six total open houses, four in the month of October 2022 and two in November. 00:13:58
We also had two Facebook Live events where we showed people a draft at the time of what the Quartermaster plan, the Central 00:14:08
Quartermaster plan was looking like and we have lots of views and again, numerous comments and and shares. 00:14:15
And during those faces lives we had council members and members of the Central Corridor Parkland Committee and staff be there to 00:14:24
explain the particularities of of the plan at the time. 00:14:29
I already talked about a little bit about the top there, but just to understand what the purpose of the Master plan committee was, 00:14:37
it was to review the goals, objectives and the outcomes to inform our consultant about and and our public about the existing 00:14:44
conditions that were out there because we obviously were, we're very familiar with the with the site. 00:14:52
Identify recreational amenities and locations and recommend revisions to each draft of the plan as we're receiving them from the 00:15:01
consultant. 00:15:05
So let's jump into the actual particularities of the plan. So this is the the northern part. 00:15:13
Encompasses Vineyard Grove Park and the Central Corridor. 00:15:22
We call that area specifically the corridor and named the entire plan after because it's the most predominant part. 00:15:25
A parking expansion. These are just highlights. There's lots of different pieces, but I'm I'm going to highlight only the the big 00:15:33
parts parking expansion to the new Grove Park, adding 150 spaces in that overflow area currently at all the events. 00:15:39
We use it as parking and so we're going to formalize that parking and make it usable to to the residents, to the city for for 00:15:47
events and such. 00:15:51
A dog park. 00:15:56
Wonder if I need to move my mouse my cursor over so you guys know where these things are. I'll do that. 00:15:58
So dog park, so the parking expansion right here basically double S, the amount of parking, I think a little more than double S, 00:16:03
but not by much the existing parking right here. 00:16:08
We have a dog park for small that will welcome small and large dogs. 00:16:15
12 pickleball courts here, So that's going to retrofit the existing tennis courts. 00:16:20
But don't worry. 00:16:27
The committee and everyone involved got ahead and and we're going to be, we're proposing. 00:16:29
To put more tennis courts in gang park, so we'll have two tennis courts full size. 00:16:34
That will be brand new and. 00:16:41
Will give that opportunity to local tennis players. 00:16:44
So that's 12 Pickleball Courts walking trails throughout the wetlands. 00:16:48
We heard a lot from the from the public that they wanted to see the wetlands stay as wetlands and that is, I feel strongly that 00:16:54
that is what we've done. 00:16:58
There's very minimal planning in here and what is allowed for us to be done? 00:17:02
Through the federal government, is, is, is what we're doing. We can do these trails and we would love to have people walk 00:17:08
throughout the wetlands and see that nature. 00:17:12
And then I just explained #5. 00:17:19
So this is Gammon Park. 00:17:24
Gammon Park has probably the most moving pieces in the plan. 00:17:28
Address the pump. Track the bottom. Oh, I was gonna do. Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:17:32
Thanks so much. Yeah, so the pump track, there's a punch track here at the bottom that's going to be dirt. 00:17:38
A lot of people are very excited about this provides A recreational amenity. 00:17:44
I think predominantly younger, younger people for kids. 00:17:49
And this one will not be paved. There's another pump track on the plan near City Hall. That one's proposed to be an asphalt on 00:17:54
track. The pump track is just just a facility for riding your bike, in this case a bike or a mountain bike. 00:18:01
That has these like waving undulations on the track and you use your momentum to go up and down and around the track. It's really 00:18:09
fun. 00:18:13
OK, Gammon Gammon Park area. So first I'd like to highlight the heritage themed Community Center. 00:18:20
This one. 00:18:30
As I mentioned, want to make a heritage themed. I have some precedent images that I want to show you that that were provided to us 00:18:33
by the consult. 00:18:36
We do want to enhance the architecture here towards the the north and northeast part of of the building just to really give it 00:18:41
that corner piece importance, make it welcoming. We want to add a heritage landmark here in the right at the very corner, activate 00:18:47
the the street right next to it and the trail next to it. And so it'll it'll become a focal piece of our of our community at that 00:18:53
point. 00:18:59
And and a destination for people crossing, crossing this this new crosswalk that will be safe. 00:19:06
And along with two other crosswalks further down the street, what we don't want to see is residents darting back and forth, 00:19:14
unfortunately, as they as they have. 00:19:19
Overtime, but we want to make this area a lot more safe for pedestrians and we've also provided this landscape median that will 00:19:25
add to to further slowing cars down a little bit so they're aware of the pedestrians trying to cross. 00:19:33
So Brian, can't just ask them really quick. Yeah, please. So just recently the active transportation plan was approved and one of 00:19:41
the tasks under that plan was to analyze Center St. That's an area where several residents pointed out it's very dangerous. You 00:19:48
have the park, you have the school, there's lots of crossing back and forth and and so there's been a desire to to look at that 00:19:55
and program it. So it's it's a slower street when it's easier to to cross. And so part of this plan you're seeing. 00:20:03
Utilizing street parking, but those would phase in with a redesign to to slow the street. So just to just to kind of point that 00:20:11
out. 00:20:15
The idea is trading lots of you know areas where you have like good flashers good. 00:20:19
Crossings at at key locations where where we've seen people running across the street anyway. So anyway like those two projects 00:20:27
would would couple together. 00:20:32
Yeah. Thanks, Morgan. Thank you. 00:20:39
Cancer. I'm gonna move on and explain some other elements. This is a heritage themed community garden. Our community garden has 00:20:42
been very successful. It's something that our community has loved. 00:20:47
And we're getting a lot of support from the from the community and from our council to continue to make strides in our community 00:20:52
gardens. And so we're proposing a community garden here that will have a heritage themed could be a greenhouse, it could be a 00:20:57
small kind of barn. 00:21:02
Barn like building, just to further highlight vineyards agricultural history. 00:21:10
And all abilities playground here in the in the northern part with lots of shading, shade sales was something that our residents 00:21:15
really wanted to see and so we tried to include as many shade sales and areas for shading in the planet as possible. Here are the 00:21:22
two tennis courts that I mentioned earlier. 00:21:28
These are pavilions and a small bathroom area here. We didn't want people that maybe were recreating over here on the on the new 00:21:36
recreational field, soccer fields. 00:21:41
To have to run all the way to the Community Center, so we're providing something halfway, halfway there for people's comfort. 00:21:48
A dirt Well, I put dirt pump track, but oh, because I was gonna explain the pump track as part of this life. But I already talked 00:21:55
about the pump track, so please excuse me. 00:22:01
These recreational fields are not going to be turf. These will be, or what am I trying to say? These will not be artificial. 00:22:06
These are going to be grass fields that can be used by just people randomly coming into the park or by our our rec department to 00:22:16
do their programming. 00:22:22
And. 00:22:29
So here are some important notes that that we have have thought about. 00:22:31
Brian, just while you're on the field there, there is some interest though in in analyzing truth because you can, you can get a 00:22:37
longer season out of that. So that's something I know that the Parks Director is not super excited about about the turf, but that 00:22:43
that is something that we we have looked at because if if you can kind of expand a season it also kind of reduces the the amount 00:22:49
of property. So it's like wherever you can you can use a piece of property more, it kind of reduces the need to to build more of 00:22:55
that same thing. 00:23:01
So there is some interest in that and also from a maintenance standpoint it is quite a bit less. However the the installation 00:23:08
costs are are more and you still do have to you know maintain and spray down here and there. So anyway we we're not 100% sure it's 00:23:15
going to be you know a real grass, it could potentially be an artificial field, turf type type field. So we're going to analyze 00:23:22
that a little deeper before before that piece comes in. 00:23:29
Right. Thank you, Morgan. 00:23:37
So we have some some additional field space here that can be used like as as people wish and we did hear hear some concerns about. 00:23:41
What is currently Gammon Park as we know it, this area, particularly this is one of our our our historic park. 00:23:53
So we've decided the best way to move forward is to hold off on surface parking as necessary when and if we get that recreational 00:24:03
that Community Center pardon. 00:24:09
We can park it as necessary as and begin to infill it, but we we want to start with the street parking on street parking that is 00:24:16
that is on the north side. 00:24:21
Of by Center St. and the street park and that's on Holdaway Road. Brian just really quick on that one too because the the packet 00:24:27
the the point that you had showed a parking lot there. Our city manager and myself had conversations with members of the of the 00:24:34
community along Holdaway Road and they didn't didn't like it. They felt like it would try to add more traffic to Holdaway Road and 00:24:40
and you know with the the house that's the houses that are just to the South of it they didn't want a a parking lot headlights and 00:24:47
so. 00:24:53
Well, potentially we could put parking long term. We do like the location, the Community Center on the core that was something and 00:25:41
meeting with you know members of the the heritage Commission having something that's heritage thing that would really kind of 00:25:47
translate to someone as they're driving. So that it would kind of like tell the story of the the heritage. We thought that would 00:25:53
be a great location for it as opposed to doing like a parking lot there, but maybe we moved the parking lot more essentially if if 00:25:58
we needed to. 00:26:04
What that does is then it makes it safe to be on street parking. 00:26:41
So there's different things that we're going to analyze when we do the Center St. plan, but just letting you know, parking is one 00:26:43
of those things that we still have to have to nail down. But we think that we can analyze it as as we phase the project, this is 00:26:49
going to be, you know, probably a pretty big build out. 00:26:55
Just wanted to add that. Thank you. 00:27:03
Thanks, Morgan. 00:27:05
Excellent. 00:27:07
Yeah. So I think as Martin stated, where we could begin first moving on actual. 00:27:09
Construction and first pieces of this plan would probably be the REC. 00:27:15
And also this this on street. 00:27:19
So here's the final portion of the plan. This area we call the fish hook. 00:27:23
Perhaps for obvious reasons, it kind of looks like a little hook. 00:27:29
The top portion is features the Vineyard Arboretum we want. 00:27:34
There'd be a lot of vegetation and local vegetation, vegetation that thrives in Utah, and we want people to be able to experience 00:27:39
that. So there's a little trail there there. 00:27:43
By City Hall. So there's a skate park that is also surrounded by an asphalt pump track. 00:27:49
We got some cool examples from Southern Utah that we think could work here. 00:27:59
And four pickleball courts and some slacklining and hammocking right here in this area. 00:28:06
You thought and from feedback from the community. 00:28:12
This area was a good location for those for those amenities are close to the City Hall, close to the Sheriff's Office. 00:28:17
Lots of. 00:28:23
Pardon me, my phone is talking to me. Lots of surveillance. So and then there's a few. There's a playground area over here in this 00:28:25
section as well, and a parking extension to to City Hall. 00:28:31
I'm not trying to understand. 00:28:39
Brian, you wanted to show the Don Overson in his comment had commented on the emergency access for the Meadows under fire code we 00:28:42
are required to provide. I believe it's two access points. 00:28:49
For subdivisions. And so the idea with this park was to make a full like Rd. connection to Center St. That was the the original 00:28:57
plan. 00:29:01
That neighborhood did not want a a full Rd. going through their site. Obviously reasons they don't want another access point cut 00:29:07
through is that kind of stuff. So what the residents requested was that we put some sort of a crash gate. We're proposing 00:29:14
collapsible bollards that would that would stop vehicular traffic, but it would allow for breakaway bollards for emergency trucks. 00:29:22
Access and the trail that you see extending up if you put your cursor on that Brian that's I believe it's a 20 foot wide trail and 00:29:30
it has a curb cut on the center street. So from an emergency standpoint that that does work and we've we've we've had the farm 00:29:36
Marshall look at it so. 00:29:42
The consultant who has a lot of experience in engineering but it it would work primarily as a a trail and then our parks main 00:29:50
maintenance vehicles could could you know get up there to mow grass and. 00:29:56
Thick stuff, Yeah, because it's so wide too. We also want it to function as like a like a promenade, like a wide trail, nice 00:30:02
landscaping on the sides, and plenty of area for multiple bikes or people walking to, to interact or engage safely. So I think 00:30:08
this will be a a really awesome piece of of the plan. 00:30:13
OK, so here's some concluding comments. 00:30:22
So this plan does provide a comprehensive strategy for enhancing recreational amenities and trail connections, provides good 00:30:28
recommendations for future development, proposes a plan that incorporates the wants and the needs of the residents. 00:30:34
And makes the Central corridor overall more enjoyable recreational and natural environment for everyone. 00:30:41
Our next steps is once we are able to get Planning Commission approval for this plan, it would then move on to City Council for 00:30:49
final approval because this is a legislative ordinance And then they would. 00:30:55
They would be the the ones that have the final say we would so that that meeting would actually bump to April. The City Council 00:31:03
meeting would we we would bring this back again to to to Planning Commission for an official public hearing. When we sent 00:31:11
everything into the state website they didn't publish it on the on the state website even though no one checks that that's that's 00:31:18
one of the requirements is So what what we would suggest is you take. 00:31:25
Public comment tonight, but we would hold an official public hearing. 00:31:33
In our in our next meeting then it would go to City Council because we that that is one of the requirements. We do have to have it 00:31:37
on the on the state website, so we need to make sure it gets on there. 00:31:42
So thank you. Thanks, Morgan. Yeah. So Planning Commission on the 5th and then I believe City Council on the 12th. 00:31:47
A week later? Yep. So keep Keep your eyes up for that. And then here's some precedent images that the consultant provided. 00:31:55
This is the Heritage themes Community Center. We really love the look of of of that so really pleasing aesthetic and. 00:32:05
Good for our for our background here. No agricultural community. 00:32:13
Here's some. 00:32:19
I didn't tell that right shade sales and dog park. I meant to write dog park, not not dark park. Shade failed. 00:32:21
And. 00:32:31
Here's some images of our community garden and some of the trails and trail entrances. Brian, can you give a shout out to Tim 00:32:33
really quick? Tim, I I love embarrassing Tim. I just like the attention. 00:32:37
I love the Tim. We love Tim. He's a big part of why the gallon park, what was enhanced quite a bit. 00:32:44
Yeah. Thank you very much then. 00:33:57
Yeah. And just to end the presentation, thank you to the community, we want to thank the residents for coming out and making time 00:34:00
to attend meetings and public hearings and to take our survey and to engage with us in the workshops and providing all the 00:34:06
comments that we that we wanted to hear. 00:34:11
So yeah. 00:34:18
The consultant Lars with Consular Engineering, they are now he's here to answer questions, to help me answer questions or whatever 00:34:20
you guys would like to address. 00:34:24
Let's do it. 00:34:29
First off, in your presentation you mentioned tourism, but really these plans are more gauged towards just the residents, whereas 00:34:32
the lakefront plans are more tourism from what I understand, right? 00:34:37
Also, uh. 00:34:44
The hill, how come the hill, the plan for the Hill kind of just got deleted. What happened with the hill? Yeah, so the Hill plan, 00:34:46
we want to make sure we have like adequate funding moving forward in the next couple of years to to know what we can truly and 00:34:53
appropriately construct there and design there. And so we may have to go back on, on some of the just make a few corrections to 00:35:00
the existing design, but we do want it to be very nice landscape and to provide some sort of recreational amenities still so. 00:35:07
The hill is not going to go anywhere. It may be reshaped a little bit just so it doesn't intrude on view sheds and things like 00:35:15
that, but there's still a a plan that works for the hill. 00:35:21
And then? 00:35:28
For the Community Center, I know a lot of people are going to ask, like, what would be in the Community Center? What is that? Is 00:35:31
this just a placeholder for a future something? Yeah. So the recommendation right now is, and obviously this goes on, on funding 00:35:38
what City Council and residents want to see. But the first floor as presented here is about 20,000 square feet. And it is a 00:35:45
Community Center, not a rec center. It could be doubled up and we can have two floors. 00:35:52
But as a Community Center, we want there to be educational components, some rec components as well made, some basketball courts, 00:36:01
maybe there's some racquetball courts, some spaces for yoga or things like that. But we also want places for maybe some meetings, 00:36:06
some town meetings, I. 00:36:12
There was a conversation that took place about what if there's an emergency, want people to be able to use that location as a 00:36:18
central location to to make plans on how how to address the situation. So it's not, I mean there might be a running trail or 00:36:24
walking trail inside as well for activity during during the months that are cold. There was also a lot of a lot of interest for 00:36:30
the community and providing places where residents could, you know for fairly cheap rent, A room to be able to teach like dance 00:36:36
class, you know. 00:36:42
A basket weaving craft stuff and like those kind of things where maybe a commercial space is going to be really expensive, but 00:36:48
this provides kind of like a way to to bring in kind of the some of that cultural stuff at at at a cheaper cost. 00:36:54
So there, so they would have like classrooms and things that would kind of cater to cultural stuff as well. 00:37:01
So it wouldn't be a full blown side side chair just to explain when, I mean unless there's like huge desire to turn this into a 00:37:07
full rec center, but it wouldn't be like a pool, you know those very, very expensive elements that would raise the price by the 00:37:13
millions. 00:37:18
And then as far as details for the wetlands, I know a lot of people are concerned with the wetlands. A lot of in both ways, like a 00:37:25
lot of people don't want anything to happen. They don't want anyone to touch anything. And then there's people that are concerned 00:37:31
about fire issues because it. 00:37:37
2 feet of thatch. And if the fire starts and that's going to be hard to stop, like what are the plans for the wetlands? What can 00:37:44
we do? What will be done? 00:37:48
Actually, I may take this opportunity to call upon you, Lars with Concert Engineering to speak a little bit about that. 00:37:54
We were working off a prior wetland delineation for the boundary of the wetland. The city has asked us as soon as the weather 00:38:06
clears up to go back in and it. 00:38:11
Adjust that boundary based on the core of engineers guidelines. So we're going, we're planning on doing that in the next month. I 00:38:17
want to warms up a bit. 00:38:21
In answer to your question about the rules of wetlands, the Corps of Engineers does regulate this wetland. It is regulated by 00:38:26
them. 00:38:30
With fill material, so we cannot add, we couldn't turn it into an athletic field or something like that or a parking lot or 00:38:34
anything like that. You can't add fill. We can add the trails because the trails are in an upland area where they cross, they'll 00:38:40
be at grade so they won't be a fill situation. And we can add vegetation and you can also mow vegetation or take you can spray 00:38:46
weeds in that area you can. 00:38:53
You can adjust the vegetation as it's desired by the city. That's not considered an impact, so you have some rules and 00:39:00
regulations, but they're not. 00:39:04
Over the top you can make it an improved area and reduce the fire hazard with some maintenance and in our view it would be more 00:39:08
attractive and better for wildlife habitat if we were able to able to add some trees and some vertical structure to the wetland 00:39:13
area. 00:39:19
To answer your question, yeah, yeah it does. 00:39:24
But just also you want to talk about, yeah, sure, I just wanted to highlight this view protection area here on the West side of 00:39:28
the wetlands near the Parkside neighborhood. 00:39:34
So it's 50 feet wide. 00:39:40
And there will be no trees, we're proposing no higher than 15 feet so as to protect the view shed of of the mountains and the 00:39:43
areas east of this. 00:39:49
Any tree that would be selected for to be planted in that area, we would. 00:39:55
Call upon the Vineyard tree committee to make an appropriate selection for those trees, but we don't want to interrupt people's 00:40:00
views with that. We've actually asked the consultant to remove the trees that were previously. 00:40:07
And so we just to highlight the endpoints of that area. 00:40:14
And then I do have a concern with the neighborhood in the Meadows where it connects to that main trail. 00:40:21
How do you stop people from parking throughout the Meadows neighborhood? Because that would be parking there would be closer than 00:40:30
parking in the actual parking lot. So. 00:40:34
Is there? I think we should think about making it either more awkward to get to the soccer fields or doing something so that 00:40:40
there's not a direct access. Because right now you could park right in the neighborhood and walk directly to the soccer fields and 00:40:45
that residents are going to have concerns with that. 00:40:51
Morgan what? What thoughts? 00:40:58
Do you have about that? 00:40:59
Yeah, I mean that's that's a really great point. I mean part of that could be you know using the overall signage that's not going 00:41:01
to get everyone but directing people to the the appropriate places, working out the deal with the parking lot and other distances 00:41:07
is further. But if we can get a deal in place with the with the school and then providing some parking along the street, we can 00:41:13
actually get quite a bit if you go a 45° angle and that provides a lot of priority parking also it's in how you program this area 00:41:19
and I know in working with. 00:41:26
Just on the street and then you know the Community Center is quite a bit out. So we would utilize the existing parking there as 00:42:48
well plus plus the school. So you know that's that's how we would try to try to handle it now. Yeah, but we'll we'll definitely 00:42:54
have to keep our eye on that. It's a great comment. 00:43:00
And then I was wondering. 00:43:06
Why the change of I know it's not in this plan, but if in 15 or 20 years we do build that Community Center and we do need the 00:43:09
parking that goes where it says existing. 00:43:15
Existing part. 00:43:22
Why not? Why did we change it from having the All abilities park and the Garden? 00:43:25
Instead of having them on the Northside there having them back. 00:43:34
Where that parking lot was. 00:43:38
The reason why it was switched, you could. The center field actually provides you a pretty good space for a parking lot and so. 00:43:40
So that that that was kind of where we were looking at if you needed to you know to add a little more parking and then everything 00:43:50
kind of around the Community Center they are doing is to create kind of like almost kind of that campus field where you have a lot 00:43:57
of those like that, a lot of the activity kind of up against the the street and further back away from the houses. 00:44:03
The residents on the South. 00:44:43
OK. And then as far as the parking, it's oriented in this as pull in parking, is there a reason why it wouldn't be oriented as 00:44:45
reverse parking? 00:44:50
Reverse you could, you could do reverse angle, you'd have to have a very slow St. structure to do that because it's it requires 00:44:55
you to stop and and and to pull back and negotiate that that that reverse that's actually a safer method of parking and we're 00:45:02
going to do a pilot project in downtown on the promenade with that And we, I mean all all that's really shown is that that that's 00:45:08
a placeholder for street parking. So potentially we could do the reverse then what we've seen is some some cities do really like 00:45:15
it because it's safer. 00:45:21
For by schools as well that are in the street, but you have like I think it's Salt Lake City that just redid. I think it's second 00:45:28
West. 00:45:33
Soccer field there and kids. 00:46:13
Kids don't ever walk in front of the cars. They always go behind the cars. They're going up the trunks. I imagine that the speed 00:46:15
limit would have to be even lower if it wasn't reverse parking. 00:46:20
Right. And there is room right there where you could pull in the parking a little bit. 00:46:25
And create somewhat of a shoulder and socks that is kind of the benefit of putting the street parking on the park is that you know 00:46:33
it, it provides a little bit more space where you know you could come in an additional 5 feet if you wanted to provide a little 00:46:38
bit more buffer. And that would also kind of create you know space for like shoulder for a bike or something like that because 00:46:44
even though a lot of people, you know, we want them to be on pass. 00:46:50
Especially the more that the type A bikers that commute, they they commute in the street and so you know that that would kind of 00:46:57
help them as well. 00:47:01
So yeah, that's something we'll we'll we'll look at, we're going to have a a, a traffic engineer help us with that design. So and 00:47:06
we'll have the Planning Commission really involved in that. So we we can analyze that that question. 00:47:11
And then with Brian's comment, I agree that there shouldn't be a bisecting trail cutting that field in half. I think that that 00:47:19
should be. 00:47:23
This trail right here. Yep. That one. Yeah. OK is there. 00:47:29
I guess to understand kind of the reasoning, do you just want to keep it like more of a continuous trail, no, kind of the way that 00:47:36
Brian was talking or Brian was talking about it, was it? 00:47:41
If we need that space for say we wanted a parking lot or say we wanted another soccer field or say we wanted something, that kind 00:47:47
of just makes it awkward to plan anything else that. That being said, chair, this area is quite, quite large. It might not look so 00:47:52
in this area, but we did have. 00:47:58
Some of. 00:48:05
Park staff and Brian himself said that they could definitely work with this area and maybe do some smaller. 00:48:07
Smaller maybe kids soccer activities there with flag football or something. So there's there's more area there than than than what 00:48:15
appears on the plan. This is a very large area. I mean that's not like AI mean that's one of those things if you wanted to pull it 00:48:20
we we we could we just kind of like the idea of folks coming from that neighborhood and being able to have a path that takes them 00:48:25
directly in to like the center of the of the park. 00:48:31
But it's not necessarily they can walk on the grass. 00:48:37
And then the only other comment I had was just with the tennis. 00:48:42
Just that. 00:48:49
I don't know how much space that is between the tennis courts and the homes, but that just strip of grass seems kind of awkward. 00:48:49
And if if you could make it more awkward for people to if they were parking in the parking lot, if there wasn't a trail that went. 00:48:58
Right. 00:49:08
If there wasn't a trail there and they had to walk around the tennis. 00:49:09
Then it would be, it would give them, it would be another deterrent to not parking in that neighborhood. I guess they have to walk 00:49:13
another 300 feet we were. So that area is planned to be burned up. 00:49:20
So where the trail is and that landscaping the planets to is to to bring some sort of a a berm so that it helps to buffer the the 00:49:29
residents a little bit more from the activity. We did receive a lot of interest in in having good circular trail trails like be 00:49:35
able to go to a park and say I know this is A and I, I, I camera. I don't know if you know this prime or not but we looked at like 00:49:41
the distances. So the idea was to try to provide like 1/2 mile circulator so people in the morning can go out and walk walk the 00:49:47
trailer. 00:49:53
This is 1/2 mile loop, yeah and so, but we could potentially maybe move it up further to the north if you wanted to get it further 00:49:59
away from the the, the residents. But there was a lot of interest in keeping us a circular. Also the trees as well, Morgan, these 00:50:05
are trees that we would like to plant to provide further blocking. 00:50:11
And I believe the distance from the houses, from the property lines to the trail is 40. 00:50:18
OK. OK. Yeah. 00:50:23
That's pretty fun, which is it's pretty bad. I think that's more than what it's provided in Grove because that that that is a 00:50:26
complaint we have received for some of the residents there. So we wanted to make sure we accounted for that and then. 00:50:32
Just it's not really a question more of a statement that all abilities playground. That's again just a placeholder for a 00:50:39
playground. We don't know what it's going to be designed as how big it's going to be. Yeah, it's just a placeholder. Placeholder. 00:50:45
There will be a put ground. There will be an audience playground. 00:50:51
Is this one one of the uses that was highly voted on in the engagement events? 00:50:57
OK. All right. Any of you guys have any? 00:51:03
I got a couple of questions and then I do look forward to hearing from the public too. 00:51:06
As of right now, there is one semi baseball field. 00:51:12
Vineyard and we're going to 0. Is that accurate? Like there's no other baseball field proposed anywhere. What did we talk about? 00:51:17
Morgan maybe in in another area with some of the future parks coming? Yeah, Brian wants us to to see if we can try and incorporate 00:51:25
it and he doesn't say that. It doesn't necessarily need to be like a fixed type baseball field, but a place where you can still. 00:51:33
Have this kind of multi use. I'm just curious if something yeah and so and so like that that might be another reason too if we 00:51:42
wanted to pull out that that center trail. 00:51:46
Or you could you know adapt something if you wanted to. I I, I I know from talking with Brian that the idea is not to do a like a 00:51:50
really big investment and and to Little League. The idea was to utilize like Orem and then have kind of a very smaller place where 00:51:57
you know it's like for family reunions and that kind of stuff kickball. 00:52:03
And so we could, we could definitely look at like that's where that center field could be a multipurpose and really the soccer 00:52:11
fields too. The idea is if you don't do artificial turf then it it leaves the the option open to you could do you know Little 00:52:17
League, you could put a couple fields in there and just paint them. 00:52:22
So, but with the current design, if you wanted to keep the. 00:52:28
I mean you I mean so if the if the desire was to keep the baseball field as it is now then maybe just clean it up and and 00:52:33
reestablish it then the. 00:52:38
The Community Center would just elongate more on Center St. and so it wouldn't wouldn't be as deep. And so we just have to look at 00:52:44
at kind of redesigning that piece if if you know that that was the city desire was to keep it. Yeah. I just wanted more clarity 00:52:49
there because I know, I mean some people are into it, some people aren't, but. 00:52:55
Where we only have one and then going to 0. 00:53:01
It's kind of tough there. The other thing is just to comment on light pollution, which I think was brought up here. 00:53:04
I know like Grove Park for example, doesn't have lit tennis courts or pickleball courts or soccer fields. 00:53:10
Are there lights proposed for this one and if so, like how can we ensure they don't? No lights at the football, no lights at 00:53:17
tennis, and any any lights that would be proposed or installed to have to meet the city's ordinance, which is 20 feet or or less? 00:53:24
Any residents next to these would feel like this is an amenity going in next to them, not a nuisance. 00:54:01
And then the last last question I have is down here. 00:54:08
Is there? I've seen so many plans over the years. Is there a plan to connect the trail to Holdaway Rd. 00:54:13
Or would that be part of the future subdivision? Yeah. And so this is actually Neri to that we need to modify a little bit. So 00:54:21
where the trail, sorry Brian, I needed to give you this comment too. So if you put your cursor up, Brian, where the trail, you 00:54:27
keep following it and then go north right there where it goes to the back of the houses there. There was concern from the 00:54:32
residents about having the trail right on their on their their backyards like right adjacent right there. So what we might do is 00:54:38
actually stop. 00:54:44
The trail we would still have the connection built all the way Rd. 00:54:51
We do want to make make that connection that that is very important, but not having the trail run along people's backyards right 00:54:53
there, it would probably hook in to that that center. 00:54:59
Figure thing where the water feature is and so we'd have it yeah probably hook in there and then and then kind of dead end before 00:55:05
it goes. 00:55:09
So we would need to make that, that modification. I think that that was what, Yeah. Anyway, that was part of our conversations 00:55:13
with the residents. 00:55:17
I just curious, you know when we have a design concept kind of like this? 00:55:25
Next phase, your next steps goes City Council, but then from that point forward. 00:55:32
How does it get implemented? How does the budget get allowed or like assigned to it I guess And then does it do? 00:55:36
Phases come back through Planning Commission or what is what would we expect? 00:55:44
Yeah, I think what we would do more than correct me if I'm, if I say anything wrong, is that we would be in a. 00:55:48
A city initiated like site plan that we would come present to you at Planning Commission. 00:55:53
And use this as a guide. 00:56:00
But obviously we make necessary corrections based on the existing conditions at the time and implement those as needed. But yeah, 00:56:02
we would definitely bring that to the Planning Commission first. 00:56:08
You got the general plan that's very general. Then you go to your master plan and then that provides more details and then that 00:56:14
also is this plan is what sets some of those those barriers like the public they wanted. 00:56:20
We would budget for, so there would be a CIP project and we would take a chunk of it. So let's say like the pickleball courts were 00:56:58
wanted this next year, then we would fund it, we would design it, get an engineer look at storm water, all all that kind of stuff. 00:57:04
They put together plans and then we would we would go to construction. So there's still kind of a there's sort of three level 00:57:10
general plan, master plan and then your construction drawings so. 00:57:16
And then from there. 00:57:22
And CIP is a capital improvement project. 00:57:24
You guys have any other questions? 00:57:32
Chris, do you have anything? 00:57:37
Now I had some questions about that thing but. 00:57:40
OK. 00:57:47
All right. We'll move it to public comment. 00:57:49
Since we're not going to be opening up a public hearing, what we're going to allow public comments come up. State your name. 00:57:53
Try to consolidate your thoughts. You have 3 minutes and if you have any questions, I'll write them down and then we'll ask the 00:58:00
questions after SO. 00:58:04
My name is Doctor Angela Trigo 208 N 160 E Vineyard UT. Want to thank Planning Commission. I appreciated your thoughtful 00:58:14
questions. 00:58:20
And I know that Morgan and Bryce has spent a lot of time on this and we sat down and talked. So I really appreciate that that time 00:58:25
and opportunity. With that, a few questions in that, you know, the devil's in the details and this is a guide only. 00:58:32
There's lots of talks of lots of changes, and those changes can greatly affect the citizens when those changes occur. 00:58:39
So I'd like to implore that as these details become more refined that they actually go through the Planning Commission again. 00:58:46
And the public has an opportunity to make comments on the official and final designs. 00:58:53
With that, I appreciate the view protection area 50 feet. However, if you're planting a 15 foot tree right behind my house in that 00:58:59
50 foot area, it's still going to block my view. 00:59:05
And let's also be right, a 15 foot tree if it grows. 00:59:13
Tends to be closer to 20 feet sometimes too. So I would like to ask the Planning Commission and the designers that that drops down 00:59:17
to a 10 foot height, 10 to 12 foot tree. I think that would greatly help with that visibility. 00:59:24
Second of all. 00:59:33
For the central corridor. 00:59:35
Would appreciate remediation only, which certainly does deal with improving and removing Thistle and olive and that sort of 00:59:37
activity. But keeping it as a wetlands and with that remediation and also understanding where those trails are is greatly going to 00:59:45
affect those of us that back up to the corridor. So looking at where is that trail placed exactly? I know in the other areas of 00:59:52
these, the park area et cetera that you're keeping at 40 feet away from the backyard and the back line. 01:00:00
We would appreciate that same consideration for the trails in the Central corridor. 01:00:08
And finally, looking at lighting, depending on how you light that area, we would like to make sure that it is downcast and it is 01:00:14
low so that we eliminate light pollution. That's also an area where there's lots of birds and birds migration. And while we have 01:00:20
to balance safety, I think we want to look at that as far as I don't want big bright lights in my backyard and I want to be able 01:00:27
to see the stars. That's why I moved to Vineyard. Thank you. Thank you. 01:00:33
I'm Wayne Holdaway. I have only one quick maybe analogy where your girl parks are. 01:00:44
The grill parks are sitting there. Everybody likes to drive their car right to where their girl. So I'm thinking it would be an 01:00:52
idea to take that road up for, use it for parking and stop there at the grill parks. To me it's logical because people like to get 01:00:57
as close as they can. 01:01:03
Now, anything I had. 01:01:10
Hi, I'm Brian Spencer. I live over in Parkside by Grove Park. 01:01:18
I I really like this point overall, and the as explained at this meeting and presentation, I like where a lot of it's going. It's 01:01:22
alleviated several me and my wife concerns. A couple of points of feedback I did want to bring up. 01:01:28
One is with the the proposed Heritage Center. 01:01:35
So I'm going to talk a bit. 01:01:39
Rec center features here and I know that those kind of things are expensive and this very fairpoint to make, but I did want to 01:01:42
bring up like me and my wife, we go with our kids frequently to the Orem and Provo Rec centers and I mean frankly they are getting 01:01:46
crowded. 01:01:50
And if we're looking 10 plus years out, I think they're only going to be even more crowded. And so I think there is. 01:01:56
With with our population growth, there will definitely be a need in the future for more rec center space, especially things like a 01:02:03
pool where kids can play and things like that. So again, I know it's expensive, I know it's a hard ask and I don't know what data 01:02:08
you've collected from surveys and and and things like that on on what the demand is. 01:02:14
But I think it will grow. And then another one, a point on this one actually the the fish hook area it it has a playground area 01:02:20
labeled towards the South there, which I think is is. 01:02:27
Great. 01:02:34
But 120 feedback I get I give on that is. 01:02:36
Parents with young kids, especially overall, like to go and park their car, let the kids out and the kids just launch off to the 01:02:39
playground. And you know, the parents would go and and sit or relax. But that one looks like it's going to be about 1/4 mile away 01:02:45
from the nearest adjacent parking, which I think would make it difficult for families, particularly with young kids, to get to So 01:02:50
great amenity for the the people that would be walking there from nearby neighborhoods, but less accessible for people driving 01:02:55
cars to that park. 01:03:00
Thank you. Great. Thank you. 01:03:07
How do you David Loray, resident? 01:03:20
Please see you again so. 01:03:23
Real quick, I want to say that re. 01:03:27
We appreciate you taking the time to move the parking lot over there that was that was clearly a problem and I'm glad you don't 01:03:29
see that and so thanks again for. 01:03:34
For making that change the I was going to suggest that. 01:03:40
You know, parking is always a concern and. 01:03:45
And we're going to need to size that parking lot 150 show stalls. 01:03:47
Please bring like that and that that center field that he's been. 01:03:51
Is actually over closer to where you've programmed the all abilities park? I can't see. 01:03:55
Many families with all abilities and all needs kids, you know, walking the quarter mile or so from the school's parking lot over 01:04:02
to the park just to use it. So you need to have something closer for them and for everyone really is also closer to where the the 01:04:08
soccer fields are. And likewise, you know the big truck there with all the lawn chairs and the young kids is going to be real 01:04:13
rough on families. 01:04:19
So I would, I would like to request that you start this program, the area now for parking is going to be. 01:04:25
And just just at least pencil in there and the place there behind you on the map which says Existing Park. 01:04:32
If we could recreate the softball field in that area, that would be nice. 01:04:40
As it turns out that we we have the only. 01:04:45
Raised mound softball. 01:04:48
For Miles and you know all the other towns right here don't just have little field. So it was nice to have that. It was a nice 01:04:51
benefit, nice, a nice community. I think it would be nice to have that again if we could just recreate that there. 01:04:57
A great place for it is accessible from both parking. 01:05:04
And so I those are my comments. 01:05:10
I'm willing to see the details. Also, I you know, the devil's in the details, right? 01:05:14
So and I and anyway, but we would like to see those. We only make sure those really come up and we have a chance, but then notice 01:05:19
we have a public hearing for each of them that we have a chance to come in and weigh in on them. 01:05:25
So thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Thanks. 01:05:31
All these tall people here, let us get this down here. My name is Dave Robbins. I live on 96 S Holloway Rd. 01:05:44
Just a little background, actually. Was my family's farm. 01:05:51
That was what we're talking about there on Gammon Road, which is another question. How did it turn the center straight rather than 01:05:55
Gammon Rd. But that's it for another discussion. 01:06:00
So first of all, I'd like to thank the town and planners for actually using the property for what it was purchased for, for open 01:06:06
space. 01:06:10
For public use. That was what my mother wanted to happen, and she's specifically. 01:06:14
Make sure that that was the first option for that land. 01:06:20
She thought the town did a great job building houses, but not a real great job providing open spaces. So first of all, I'd like to 01:06:23
thank you for. 01:06:26
Following through on that also, I was able to meet with the town staff and there's a lot of concerns I had when I met last Friday 01:06:31
and a lot of those have been addressed, so thank you for that. 01:06:36
Just. 01:06:44
Historical Facts of. 01:06:46
The town park where it sits now and what it is, was the first thing that the town did after it was incorporated. 01:06:49
They bought, bought that field, put a park in and use that old building for the town hall. 01:06:56
And so the heritage part of that I think is really important to keep softball fields. 01:07:01
The. 01:07:06
The trees. I know that some of the plants had taken all the old trees out and replanting them, which I don't think it's a real 01:07:08
great idea. They still have a good 4050 sixty years life left in them. I know some of them are. 01:07:14
Are damaged and disease and you know obviously when you take those out, but to wholesale taking all those trees down, I don't 01:07:22
think it's a great idea. 01:07:25
And I'm the one that gets the leaves and the and the cotton off of that. 01:07:31
So, and even with that, I still like the. 01:07:37
A couple of things like. 01:07:43
Was a dress where before the main entrance to that park, the main parking lot was coming off Old Way Rd. 01:07:45
Which I thought was not necessarily a great idea because we're trying to eliminate as much traffic as all of that would just 01:07:51
increase traffic there. So if that's a permanent. 01:07:55
We're not going to put a parking lot there. 01:08:00
That that's a great, great advantage. I totally agree with that. 01:08:02
But the concern I have. 01:08:06
That that's where and conversations that well we'll put we'll leave it as is now but that's for eventual parking. 01:08:09
And I think we need to look. 01:08:15
The parking issue. 01:08:17
I'm not a big fan of the parallel parking off the main, the main road in the town. I think that needs to be off the off the road. 01:08:19
And. 01:08:27
Online parking. I think the parking should be north of the park. 01:08:30
And that would be closer to the amenities and what other people have mentioned so and and have that as a permanent. 01:08:35
Not well. We'll use this until now, but have a plan. That's where the parking will. 01:08:42
And we're not going to basically move that parking. 01:08:47
South side of the center. 01:08:50
Anyway, so I said a lot of the concerns that I had coming in have been addressed. I really appreciate that, but. 01:09:01
I said we can keep the heritage part of that. 01:09:08
You know that obvious? 01:09:12
I'm a lifer here and so if that's important to me, I don't know there. But my 20,000 newest friends and neighbors, I'm not sure 01:09:14
how important it is to them. But for for me, and I think a lot of people that live on Holday Road, that's a very important part. 01:09:19
And it basically is the history of the town, which isn't that old. 01:09:24
But you know, if we can keep whatever we can do to keep that. 01:09:30
And keep those open spaces and keep the park as is. 01:09:34
Feel greatly appreciated and I'm kind of sitting in a peninsula. I'm going to have park on three sides of me. 01:09:38
So you know what happened. You know, as a personal not, not just. 01:09:44
Get being selfish and being personal that you know it's a big effect on me and my family where we. 01:09:50
Boarded the park. 01:09:56
On the properties that we own. So anyway I appreciate your time and. 01:09:58
We're happy to appreciate what you've done and if there's anything I can do, I'd be more happy to do it. Thank you. Thank you so 01:10:03
much, Dave. 01:10:06
Tim Blackburn, Sleepy Ridge. 01:10:15
You know, we don't sit at very many of these Planning Commission meetings and hear a lot of thank yous and so I appreciate that 01:10:18
and I too want to say thank you for listening to the. 01:10:23
Because we've seen considerable change made by. 01:10:29
From some of the original proposals which was causing the residents a lot of banks, so I appreciate staff listening to the 01:10:34
residents and for the Planning Commission push back just a little bit on some of these issues. 01:10:40
The all abilities part we fully support. 01:10:47
We need that in our community. 01:10:51
And whether it's here or someplace else, we need an all abilities part. 01:10:54
And relative to the parking for it, it has to have some close by parking and I would make them disability parking. 01:10:59
We don't need a lot of parking, but certainly disability parking would be associated with that park more than anything. 01:11:08
I've heard a couple of references tonight to heritage, The Heritage. 01:11:16
Community Center, The Heritage Gardens, I applaud that. I would like to just ask Brian to put some of the heritage back into the 01:11:22
narrative of the plan as well. There's the Heritage didn't come up one place in all of the narrative, and so I'd like to see some 01:11:29
of that put back in as to the objectives and the reasons for having this park. 01:11:36
Because as. 01:11:43
Said David Robbins said. This is the old heritage part of Vineyard. We don't want to lose that relative to a cultural Community 01:11:46
Center versus a rec center. What would we do in a Community Center? In addition to the ideas that have already been expressed, 01:11:54
there are many different ways to use it for traveling. Exhibits, museums from different locations around you can have multiple 01:12:01
displays in there, could be used as a venue for weddings. 01:12:09
Receptions and so on is another way to be used. We haven't talked about Geneva steel workers tonight at all. We need places to 01:12:17
represent what they brought to this county in the state. I haven't talked about native peoples at all tonight. We need places 01:12:25
where we can represent the original people who occupied this area. With that in mind, I hope with any disruption of ground that 01:12:32
goes below about 3 feet that we're allowing the state to come in and helping help us. 01:12:40
Review the areas to make sure that if there's anything of a native people's culture, we're preserving it, we're getting it, we're 01:12:48
not ruining it and breaking it up. 01:12:53
So that would be one thing I would recommend in all of this 80 acres where there's going to be major disruption of of the soils, 01:12:59
if any. 01:13:02
So I'm just I'm grateful to see the direction of this very much. I have more questions than I'll just write and send to Brian. So 01:13:07
thank you very much. 01:13:12
All right. Thank you, Tim. 01:13:17
Kind of fire. 01:13:22
No fire drill. 01:13:30
OK. 01:13:34
My name is Sherry Tester and I probably am considered a newbie here, even though my husband and I have been here for about 30 01:13:36
years down on Holdaway Road. 01:13:41
And so we're just, you know, the young folks here, but I I did want to give my support to Dave and Dave and. 01:13:47
Waiting for to all of those that have been speaking. 01:13:58
And intentionally, and for a long time, we've been trying to figure out a way how to not have so much traffic on Holdaway Road. 01:14:00
You know, it it's peaceable down there. It was nice. My kids used to be able to play in the street, except for every once in a 01:14:07
while when Grant would bring his tractor down and go by or somebody would bring a tractor down, you know, And that wasn't a big 01:14:14
deal. They always stopped to say hi. 01:14:20
And I think that's something that you need to look at instead of. 01:14:29
Saying that, the school which you know is a good place, a nice place to to put. 01:14:34
Some of the. 01:14:40
As Tim. I don't know where Tim went, but any. 01:14:43
As Tim said. 01:14:47
You have to. 01:14:49
The old people. 01:14:51
And I'm getting to be one of those, not that I always was this way. And and someday you're going to get to be one of those old 01:14:53
people too that have problems with their knees or their backs or things and it's going to be a long ways to walk where your kids 01:14:58
or your grandkids. 01:15:04
Who knows if you live to see your great grandkids be playing over there? 01:15:10
And it I think it's something that's got to be considered and I from what I understand the little. 01:15:16
Place where? 01:15:23
Our farming or gardening? 01:15:25
Is is not really used all that much or kept up all that much? 01:15:28
And that might be a thing to consider, to maybe relocate someplace a little more peaceable. The baseball fields. I would hate to 01:15:34
see those go. That is not a happy thing. 01:15:41
I I don't know about the trees. You're talking about trees and putting trees places. 01:15:49
You know if you're going to. 01:15:57
A place to. 01:16:00
Put fruit trees there. I was also thinking in between. 01:16:02
Two soccer fields. There are no trees and it gets really hot out there in the summer. Maybe on the West side of those there could 01:16:07
be. 01:16:12
Trees to help or there's like over at this one, there's a little place for water. 01:16:17
And and where you've got it, it seems like it's a long walk to go to the bathrooms and to to drink water. But I do want to say 01:16:25
that he did a really good job. 01:16:30
And I really liked his flowery language. 01:16:37
And things like that. Does roll off the tongue a little bit sweeter, doesn't it? 01:16:42
And if you don't mind me, I think I haven't heard a mention of any benches of places where people could sit down and rest or take 01:16:47
a break like they have over that other park. I think that would be something that. 01:16:55
You might want to consid. 01:17:04
Also the the swimming pools and a bigger rec center. I don't know where he is. 01:17:06
That made these suggestions and I think these are all really good suggestions. 01:17:12
And the one thing that has been talked about several times and repeated here was how expensive this is going to be. 01:17:17
And my taxes have gone. 01:17:25
Enormous. 01:17:28
And I just found out, you know, from my insurance company, we're talking another three or $400 to you. That's probably lunch out 01:17:31
or dinner out with the kids or something. 01:17:37
It's not. 01:17:44
I would be grateful to go to In-n-out Burger. 01:17:46
Probably not even there. It's something even cheaper. 01:17:49
How much is it that they're talking about for this whole construction? What kind of a budget? 01:17:56
Have they got in here? What can we put in? 01:18:02
Do we have any? Oh, they don't have Boy Scouts anymore. I was gonna say, I remember when they had the Boy Scouts and they had a 01:18:07
project. 01:18:11
At there. And I was. I was there when they put in trees. I don't know if Dave Robbins was or not, He probably was. He's all those 01:18:15
kinds of things. 01:18:20
And and I thought, what about someone doing some kinds of projects like those in putting benches? 01:18:27
For mothers with children, that's going to be a long walk from that school over to the soccer fields for for mothers and young 01:18:36
children to make and especially if there's going to be any sidewalks or much of trails. And I do agree that that one trail and 01:18:43
these people I'm concerned about because. 01:18:49
And I'll make this behead I think there's a possibility of a lot of damage or theft done to their homes. There's an open field 01:18:57
people can take off and get over there and 40 feet. 01:19:03
You know, if you're a runner like I used to be, that's nothing you can get out of there quick. 01:19:11
And. 01:19:17
I I wouldn't want it in my backyard. 01:19:20
I don't know. 01:19:26
The party's over. 01:19:28
Thank you for your time, right? 01:19:31
And Bryce, I really appreciate you know all of your attention. 01:19:33
Taking time to listen to me. I do. Thank you, Sir. 01:19:39
How are you this evening? 01:19:46
My name is Nathan Newell. I come before you guys as a resident on the back. 01:19:49
Again and park. 01:19:55
I also come before you as someone that's related to law enforcement. I'm very familiar with these types of areas. 01:19:57
I'm very familiar with the security concerns that come with them. 01:20:05
So as I speak for the next couple minutes about my concerns, I hope you guys take that into consideration, which I'm sure you 01:20:11
will. 01:20:15
Back when this began, the proposals and the rough drafts were given, if you will. 01:20:19
And presented to the city where citizens could come and speak about and give their thoughts. Since that time, I think the city has 01:20:26
done an excellent job on listening to the Citiz. 01:20:31
I've been actually quite impressed, also being involved with past city councils and whatnot. 01:20:37
There are a lot of times where resident citizens feel like City Council and planning just doesn't. You know, they just don't. 01:20:43
But I in this case I feel like it. 01:20:51
We've been listened to, so I appreciate that. 01:20:54
But in talking about some of the concerns, we'll be reiterating but hopefully beating a dead horse because I think we especially 01:20:58
in this room and the stuff that I've heard are kind of on the same page with our concerns. So I think that you guys have spoke 01:21:04
about the easements around the soccer fields. Again at park, it's pretty critical that that we have the necessary easements away 01:21:11
from the residents. 01:21:17
In being involved, at least accessing the city field area over there. 01:21:26
I my personal opinion is those easements are a good easement. If we could see at least that if not more from the backs of the 01:21:33
fences at Gannon Park, that would be much appreciated. Again, to reiterate the tree situation keeping you know we only need 2 feet 01:21:41
above our 6 foot fence line to really cover that field that extends to block people's views into our properties. 01:21:48
10 foot Max trees. 01:21:57
On that. 01:21:59
Ask for the lights. It sounds like we're on the same page. We definitely don't want any type of stadium lights. 01:22:02
One of the issues that we have with law enforcement is responding to, you know, these types of activities after dark. 01:22:08
One lights day. 01:22:16
So it sounds like the lighting we're all on the same page as that is keep it low lighting but enough for security. 01:22:17
For the evening hours, the Turf. I know that there was some discussions about the turf, but Turf is a horrible, horrible idea. 01:22:25
As much as it may be easier to maintain up front, it's hugely unsanitary and the give for sports is not there like the way grass 01:22:32
is. You're going to see much many, many more injuries related with turf than you would natural grass, so keep that into 01:22:39
consideration. 01:22:45
Is going to see the Holloway Rd. residents a great deal of annoyance? Plus the as long as it's done correctly, accessing both in 01:23:22
and out of that parking lot in the center field is going to help slow down the traffic on Center St. for pedestrian traffic. So I 01:23:28
would strongly agree with, you know, sticking up parking lot there in that center field area. I do disagree with the whole 01:23:34
community. 01:23:41
Center and and. 01:23:48
Adding a pool or something of that sort, as much as I enjoy it, as much as I want it, we just don't have the area for it, don't 01:23:50
have the area, we don't have the parking, we don't have the means to be able to support that in this area here, so. 01:23:57
As. 01:24:05
Again, responding in law enforcement and security, we want to eliminate the response times not only from city and you guys having 01:24:08
to deal with it, but residents having to deal with that and law enforcement having to deal with it. Babysitting and law 01:24:16
enforcement because that's what the majority of called volume is, is a major concern and a lot of constitutes little. 01:24:23
Problems such as people walking around low lighting park and doing things they shouldn't be doing so please take that into 01:24:32
consideration that. 01:24:35
The more we can alleviate, the more we can get rid of these problems, the less you guys and we as citizens and law enforcement are 01:24:39
going to have to deal with it. And that's why I have to say thank you. Great. Thank you so much, Nathan. 01:24:45
My name is Ted Cameron. 01:24:57
And I live at 149 E 230 N, so I back up right to Grove Park. 01:24:59
I know it's been brought up on the new Gammon Park that there was going to be some buffering. 01:25:06
Maybe some trees there or the trail would be further back or there wouldn't be a trail at all. 01:25:13
I think it's a great idea because right now the way it is. 01:25:19
In Grove Park, there is no buffering. 01:25:23
That trail. 01:25:26
Not even 5 feet from my back. 01:25:28
So, and then I would just agree with what Angie said along those same lines. 01:25:31
You know, if they're going to be trails going to be put in in the wetlands there, get it further back. 01:25:38
And, you know, no trees that are going to be 1520 feet tall, everybody. 01:25:44
And I think everybody up here knows that. 01:25:51
Everybody along the wetlands there paid a premium. 01:25:54
To build their house. 01:25:57
And we were told one thing specifically nothing would happen, ever, with those wetlands. 01:25:59
That's what we were told over and over again. You probably know that. 01:26:04
My other comment is the details. That's been said several times tonight. 01:26:09
I would love it if we could see some details on the hill. I don't know what it is about the hill. 01:26:15
But my house is right behind the hill. Everybody thinks they're rocky when they get to the top of the hill. 01:26:20
And they've got to yell and. 01:26:26
And and that's fine. I get it. I understand the hill, I understand the intent. I just think it's a really good idea and the really 01:26:28
wrong spot. 01:26:33
There, that park is 18 acres. It's huge. 01:26:38
That could have been put anywhere else in that park. 01:26:41
That's all I'll say about that, I mean. 01:26:45
While I got the floor. 01:26:48
I mean, you have soccer teams, you got football teams, you got all these people that, for whatever reason, like to take their 01:26:50
teams and run drills up and down that hill all the time. 01:26:54
And it's just it's kind. 01:27:00
You know when you're out in your backyard and you gotta whistle and up, down, up, down, up, down and all kinds of things going on 01:27:02
that hill. 01:27:06
You got side by side at 2:00 in the morning, you got snowmobiles, you got motorcycles, you got you got all kinds of things anyway. 01:27:10
Enough of that. 01:27:19
I think on the Grove Park itself, I've been to several parks where if you're not out of the park at a certain time, they will 01:27:21
close the gate. You cannot get your car out of there. 01:27:26
I think it would help in that park if that gate was closed at a certain specific time. 01:27:32
And if there's a way that those lights, because those lights are like, they're pretty bright. 01:27:38
If those lights could be turned down at 10. 01:27:43
Maybe dimmed and then off at 11, I think. The park closed at 11, I think. 01:27:46
I think that's right. I think that would help. 01:27:50
Cut down on. 01:27:52
You know the the crime and what have you that does occur in that park. 01:27:55
So just those thoughts. 01:28:00
But I yeah, I would agree with Angie like I said again that the further back that trail could be and the lower the trees could be. 01:28:04
So those people could have their view. I I would just say what are the details And then we just kind of Bryce, you said something 01:28:10
about what, what's going to happen with the hill what what are we doing with it. 01:28:15
I would. I would love to see it go further north. 01:28:23
And then if it was designed correctly, people could sled on it for more than one day because it is not designed if it was N 01:28:26
facing. 01:28:30
Because it's not as southwest facing the snow's gone in about 20 minutes. 01:28:34
So if it could be redesigned? 01:28:38
Moved further north, I think that would be because it's not gone. 01:28:41
I mean, it's still part of the. 01:28:46
But it's just not such an intrusion on the people that. 01:28:48
So those are my comments. I appreciate you listening to me. Thank you. 01:28:52
Hey guys, I'm Jeff Thompson. I live on Holdaway Road also. 01:29:00
And. 01:29:04
Super pleasantly surprised at how great this is. This is looking and turning out like with most on Holdaway Road. Concerned about 01:29:06
the traffic and stuff that the parking and stuff would bring. 01:29:10
We'd appreciate as a father like. 01:29:16
Half the time I'm driving my kids with their bikes in the back of my truck to a place where we can actually make it, where it's 01:29:19
not crazy and. 01:29:22
I apologize to anybody in this room. I'm sure I've yelled at all of you as you as people have speed down the road. My son asked me 01:29:25
if I was the boss, though I told him yes. So. 01:29:29
I must say though, like the I love. 01:29:37
Aboard how do you say, aberrate them Arboretum. I think that is such a cool and classy move of the city to put that there and. 01:29:40
I'm I'm Dave Robbins nephew. My mom grew up, my grandma grew up and my grandma was the one that sold this land and part of the 01:29:52
heritage selfishly like that. 01:29:57
I would love for different parts of the park or something like that to. 01:30:03
Cool little placards or something. If some of these people that hopefully made, you know, Vineyard a better place and made it 01:30:11
possible for a lot of this park to happen. And so like I said, selfishly, some dedicatory parts of the park I think would be 01:30:16
absolutely cool. 01:30:21
Specifically, you know, dropping a giant hit hint in that area, since that basically was the backyard of where I've been coming to 01:30:26
for 42 years to visit my grandma. 01:30:30
Appreciate it guys. I think it's a really good job. Thanks. 01:30:35
Any other comments? 01:30:44
Hi, I'm Jack Holloway. 01:30:52
You might think I live on Hallway Rd. You'd be. 01:30:55
Just maybe a couple of comments on on Holdaway Road. 01:31:02
The speed limits 20 mph. 01:31:07
And the only thing only what you're. 01:31:10
That doesn't make any difference unless it's enforced. 01:31:14
I live just a half a block South of the stop. 01:31:17
And coming north or going? 01:31:22
After they stopped at the stop sign. 01:31:26
They're up to 40 miles an hour of time. They reach my house. 01:31:28
And like I said, it's just got to be enforced. It was. 01:31:33
A little bit when they first put the signs in there, but. 01:31:38
Neglected. 01:31:42
As far as this. 01:31:44
Development. 01:31:46
I think that parking is. 01:31:50
Problem. There's not enough of it. That's in the wrong. 01:31:53
It's been mentioned it should be more centrally located. 01:31:56
Maybe another negative comment will be that. 01:32:02
I. 01:32:07
Would bet that not hardly anything that's been commented in this meeting will be to be changed. 01:32:08
I think the developers, whoever it is, is it's gone this far. They're not going to make any big changes. 01:32:14
That's it. Thanks. Appreciate it. Awesome. Thank you, Jack. 01:32:23
Hi, just real quick. I'm Christy Peterson. I live in Parkside and I agree with Angie. I hope that we can. 01:32:34
Protect our views, but also take good care of those with the wetland areas. 01:32:41
There's so much. 01:32:47
Wildlife and things that are in there that I think the whole community can enjoy, so hopefully we can take good care of that. 01:32:50
Awesome. Thanks, Christ. 01:32:57
Any other comments? 01:33:03
Do you mind if I if you make it quick, Sir? Yeah. 01:33:07
Thanks. I just wanted to comment on. 01:33:13
The law officer. 01:33:16
And what he was saying and he's right. There's a lot of people that that come at night at parks and things like that. And when 01:33:19
there was a house there and somebody lived there. 01:33:24
I can't remember their names, even though I can see their face as plain as day. 01:33:30
They would have to get. 01:33:36
And sometimes at midnight, people would be. 01:33:38
Young kids mostly. 01:33:41
And throw out blankets out the middle of the. 01:33:43
And they would be out there not looking at the stars, if you know what I mean. 01:33:46
And so he would go and turn on the sprinklers. 01:33:51
And so at midnight he would turn on the sprinklers on these people just to get rid of him. 01:33:57
And So what kind of, you know, he's talking about the enforcement and things there and. 01:34:02
Agree with that that there has to end with Jack and I do hope what Jack said at the very end is. 01:34:10
Is wrong. I hope that there are changes that made that you will take us into consideration and that you will take a look at these 01:34:19
because I think there's been a lot of good. 01:34:25
And inexpensive. 01:34:32
Request things that are changed in that you will do that and and make it because we are. 01:34:33
The community This is who we are. This is. 01:34:43
You know, for you guys to help decide, you guys are part of the community too. 01:34:48
And we we want you to take this to heart. I hope you do and and listen to us. 01:34:52
Now the party's over. Thank. 01:34:59
Big. 01:35:03
You got to come up to the speaker, sorry. 01:35:06
Sorry there. 01:35:09
I'm sorry, I didn't. 01:35:12
No, just just one thing real quick and we'll talk to Bryce about that. What I think would be important to you is there's a inner 01:35:14
north part of the park there at Lakeside. 01:35:18
And getting a trail from there to the gamut. 01:35:23
I've never seen it on any of the maps, but I think that's an important thing to make sure that that gets included and not 01:35:27
forgotten. 01:35:30
And I think that's on our active transportation map, the connection from. 01:35:34
This park all the way over to Lakeside and the whole trails plan. 01:35:39
Are there any other questions? 01:35:45
OK. 01:35:48
One of the recurring themes for this. 01:35:51
Details. How can we ensure that? 01:35:54
That plans are coming back that people are going to be able to. 01:35:59
Get into the nitty gritty, kind of with the Planning Commission instead of just, oh, we passed this, that gives us we can kind of 01:36:05
do whatever we want at this point. 01:36:09
Like is there going to be a breakdown of areas? 01:36:14
If the Arboretum is going to start to be planted, is there going to be something that comes before the Planning Commission that's 01:36:18
like this is our tree plan. 01:36:22
You guys have the opportunity to, as planning commissioners to add additions and conditions to site plans that you see fit. And I 01:36:26
think also with the new committee, the Arch, I don't know what you're calling it, the arts, recreation. 01:36:34
Cold culture heritage. 01:36:43
I think they should be seeing this stuff and they they should really be getting into the nitty gritty of this. 01:36:46
Umm, because that's the kind of a big part of what I think that Commission is or should be. That's how we fund it too. Yeah, a 01:36:51
piece of it. 01:36:56
Great. So I just want to, I just want to make sure that. 01:37:01
Details like that. Things aren't just going to happen and it's going to be a surprise to people. I want people to see the details 01:37:04
because it. 01:37:08
For many of these residents here, that back up to. 01:37:12
That can have a huge effect on their property value, and yeah, for sure. 01:37:17
Bryce, if I may, I just want to see that. 01:37:23
Because it's still going to be in further meetings, we do have opportunities to continue to make some changes. 01:37:26
So I I anticipate that what has been said today everything will be taken to consideration and and some future expect to see some 01:37:31
future changes. That was my second thing was change we we've had some comments here. 01:37:38
And there there are some obvious changes that I think we can make and we're willing to make. 01:37:47
We're gonna see this again at the next Planning Commission meeting. 01:37:52
Expect to see some of those changes. 01:37:54
Yeah, especially. Oh, sorry, go ahead. I don't know, especially kind of with with parking, I think. 01:37:58
We're kind of missing an opportunity we have. 01:38:05
Three different things. We have the all abilities playground, we have the garden space and we have the soccer. 01:38:08
We could have a parking lot that's right in the middle of those 3, essentially. 01:38:13
And then instead of everybody trying to like cram to one side of the parking lot, you get people spreading out and parking gets 01:38:17
used correctly and. 01:38:21
There's not a priority parking spot for somebody that's trying. 01:38:25
Go to the Gardens. But it's being taken up by 50 families that are seeing their kids play soccer. I think that. I think that. 01:38:29
We could, we could do that and I think that we should tuck the things. 01:38:36
Like the Gard? 01:38:40
Or the quieter things, we should talk to them more towards the homes, especially more towards. 01:38:42
The Robins homes there on Holdaway Road, I think this, I think that we could have a really good spot there for that. 01:38:49
And then easements, is there some kind of language we can put in this where it's like? 01:38:57
Trees will be this far back. Is there even any language with this or is it just a map like you Well that that's what this this 01:39:01
plan is right here so you can add you know comments to it. You also have the ordinance so there's an actual ordinance to whereas 01:39:07
document that's the place you can you can place things you have to want some language in there so. 01:39:14
You're you're welcome to to do that and that and that would probably be something that the City Council would do too. So it would 01:39:49
like the actual site plan would go before both bodies. 01:39:53
But you can add a specific language in the in the labels, or you can you know, you can put it in the ordinance document as well. 01:39:59
And I think Lars had a. 01:40:03
Lars Gothic or the microphone? 01:40:08
Just in response to that comment, there is another document that went along with this that is a full explanation of the master 01:40:13
planning process has the results of the online survey as well as the public meetings that were held and it has all the details 01:40:18
about when those meetings were held and the changes that were made as a result of those meetings. So that document has been sent 01:40:24
to. 01:40:29
To him. 01:40:35
And he can circulate that as well once we take into account the changes that you'd want to see from tonight. Yeah, you could have 01:40:38
that document to the actual ordinance. So you could have the constant plan and then that supporting document attached to it. And 01:40:43
then that would all comprise, you know the, the warehouse language, the concept plan and the that document that we comprise the 01:40:47
approval. 01:40:52
OK, cool. Also, the document has some rough estimates for pricing. 01:40:57
So there was a question earlier about that. So that can that and a phasing plan. So I can provide that information. Yeah, that 01:41:02
would be great. 01:41:06
Cool. I'm trying to think of anything else that stood out. A lot of people mentioned that they want to keep a baseball field, and 01:41:10
I agree that it doesn't need to be. 01:41:15
Fantasy baseball field that's dedicated to just baseball field, just what they have in Gammon Park. 01:41:21
Space for something like that I think is important. 01:41:26
And. 01:41:32
And just personal. 01:41:34
I personally would love to see a small soccer field that's turf. 01:41:37
That's got shade over. 01:41:41
Because. 01:41:44
Nobody plays soccer in winter, or very few people play soccer in the winter. 01:41:46
But if there was a place that was that you could play on in the winter or in the early spring without ruining grass or just 01:41:51
playing with like 10 people, instead of a gigantic field, you could play on a little field. 01:41:57
Like little turf field would be cool. 01:42:03
Yeah, so. 01:42:08
Yeah. I'm excited to see kind of the changes that we have at our next Planning Commission meeting. Thank you so much Brian for all 01:42:10
the work that you've done on this. And then if I could just add something on Chairman the let's see so Dave Robinson brought up 01:42:16
adding the the, the trail connection between the Lakeside Park and between Gana Park and so that that was another thing we we met 01:42:22
with the developer today about that topic and so he said he'd be willing to typically they they try to put those amenities in at 01:42:29
the at the end you know. 01:42:35
Percent tend to try to do that and so we asked him if he'd be willing to put. 01:42:41
The evenings are in place that that's, you know, so we have all the spatial stuff taken care of. 01:43:27
Extending that trail as they built the houses out so that that that's usually their standard, but we can negotiate things. 01:44:18
OK. And kind of on that same thing, I think it's important if we're putting in open space or putting in park stuff. 01:44:26
That people that are building home homes there know that it's going to be there instead of being promised. Like you're going to 01:44:37
have this great view forever. And this is a I've seen listings. 01:44:42
In the Elms or in the meadows where it's like that wetlands is a protected wildlife reserve and it's like, that's just not true, 01:44:47
like so I think it's important that people, I mean you should do your research before buying a house, but if we can make it 01:44:52
obvious, then we should make it obvious. 01:44:58
They're real estate ag. 01:45:04
Yeah, not always. 01:45:06
Cool, great. Thank you, Brian, of course. So yeah, again, this will be on the Planning Commission meeting for next meeting and. 01:45:12
I expect to see changes. You guys should expect to see changes. 01:45:20
We'll see if we can get back with the park committee and. 01:45:25
And to see what modifications we can make for the next day. Great. Thanks, Morgan. Yep. 01:45:32
Thank you guys all for your comments on that. All right. So we are moving on to. 01:45:36
Item 4.2 Do we need? 01:45:43
Well, no, we didn't open up a public hearing, so we don't need. 01:45:47
All right, so. 01:45:50
Continue the second one. 01:45:58
Morgan. 01:46:03
I'll take a break. 01:46:06
I don't know if. 01:46:16
Do we want to take public comment on the salary duty? Just want to put that off to the next meeting completely. 01:46:29
Yeah, well. 01:46:42
Yeah, we'll get into it and roll out for public comment on that. So he's gonna get into it, explain it all, and then we will allow 01:46:44
for public comment. 01:46:48
OK, he'll be quick too. 01:46:52
Yeah, I can do it in two words. 01:46:57
How many chickens you have in the planet Snow? 01:47:01
It's a one acre is what our requirement is to have chickens. 01:47:48
So if you roll up, Brian or are you on that staff report? Yeah, I'm on the, I'm on the staff report for the foul. Yeah. Do you 01:47:54
want to go down to like the sizes? 01:47:58
Can you see? 01:48:04
Oh, wait, yeah. I'm trying the wrong screen. Sorry. I thought I was scrolling through the right one. There you go. Yeah, it's 01:48:06
perfect. Yeah. So right now the ordinance allows for. I believe it's. Yeah. So you have to be, well, one acre, as you know. Then 01:48:13
you're, you know, even just six years ago was primarily a agricultural area, but now everything just subdivided. So we have a 01:48:19
fairly small lots compared to, you know, like like arm which is built out kind of in the 80s. 01:48:26
And so we're looking at doing the tiered system at 10,000 square feet, you can have up to to six 9000, five 8004 and then 5000 01:48:34
feet. Scorpion, you can have up to up to three. And then if you roll down Brian, there's a yeah right there the the coop shall be 01:48:43
set back almost 20 feet from the property line and 30 feet from adjacent residential structures, but not your own. And so if you 01:48:52
choose to have your chicken coop next to your house, that's fine, but from your your neighbors, your neighbors. 01:49:01
You know, we felt like that that was appropriate and that's a that's a standard a lot of cities have. 01:49:10
Let's see. So go down to. Yeah, right there. Roosters are prohibited. So that that's pretty common in most ordinances that that we 01:49:16
found. 01:49:20
And yeah we'll make sure we do that and slaughtering the domestic files prohibited. Now does another standard I mean if if you do, 01:49:25
if you do it then I mean I still quietly I guess but but I I think that's more like that that's more like a health code thing as 01:49:32
like slaughtering and then you know you know turning into like some sort of like a a commercial type application because we. 01:49:40
In the research we've done, some cities have have had gone through that where people have backyard chickens, but they use it for 01:49:49
like meat chickens and they slaughter them and they they saw them. So anyway, we didn't necessarily want to do that. 01:49:54
So we put that in there anyway, that's that. I mean doing this would allow for. 01:50:02
Chicken. 01:50:42
There you go. 01:50:44
Yeah, we went through this in our last meeting. Did you guys have any questions or something that was missing from this that you 01:50:46
wanted to see change before the next meeting? I do want to oppose the question. So my understanding is in water's Edge, the Master 01:50:54
HOH does not allow chicken, is that correct? Are you aware of that? I believe so. I think Ezra had Ted talk with the with their 01:51:01
HOA director like the management and so that that would be a a covenant that the community. 01:51:08
Could, could vote for, I mean that's that that would we have no authority over Hoas. 01:51:17
Ordinances that are involved. So I'm just posing the question, would there be an appetite, say? 01:51:53
Everybody. If you have a yard at a size, to be able to have a chicken. 01:51:58
I know from the City side most likely city wouldn't want to step on kind of the HOA's toes because that that those are you know in 01:52:02
theory that's supposed to be like the residents of that HOA, that those are their their rules And so our I think our preference 01:52:07
would be that the HOA like if the citizens of an HOA. 01:52:13
You know want a rule change that they they they go through their own process and then do that. Now there are sometimes like the 01:52:20
state for instance like the the the water wise stuff they the state has I believe the ability and authority to to override Hoas. 01:52:26
I'm not sure that that a A city does they made some instances but in in this case I I think it was our preference just to we have 01:52:32
our ordinance and then HOA is kind of changed their rules that they want but we don't want to step on their toes they're kind of 01:52:39
soaked up and. 01:52:45
So yeah, that might be put that on the agenda for the next stage way meeting and. 01:52:54
Water's Edge is not you know, you don't vote yet there, it's not turned over. 01:53:01
And we don't know when that will happen. So you can talk to the flagship and see if they're willing. I mean that that might be the 01:53:06
other route too. 01:53:10
But it's AI thought, you know it's when the last lot sales plus one. Oh really? 01:53:15
Some of them have like a lot of the sub age ways have been turned over like the the preserve has been turned over. I believe 01:53:22
Tucker, Tucker, Rowe. 01:53:27
And then the little leisure villas, the age restricted housing development. So I think a bunch of them have, but probably not the 01:53:34
the master it sounds like. 01:53:38
Interesting. 01:53:43
All right then. And then 4.3. I mean, since none of these are really technically public hearing, we don't need to put them off, 01:53:46
so. 01:53:50
Moving to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure, do you guys have anything to report? 01:53:56
Now I was supposed to go to. 01:54:03
Meeting yesterday. 01:54:06
No Rd. transportation plan sort of deal. Does that sound familiar, Nassim? 01:54:09
So the the meeting was changed from 1:00 to 3:00 and I get off at 4:00 so I couldn't. 01:54:16
I couldn't make the change. I couldn't fudge my lunch that much. Yeah. 01:54:22
Next time we'll try to set it up so you can you can you can attend. 01:54:26
And then we're having oh sorry when it's staff report though. 01:54:31
Or from the Commission. So we have a couple things you want to talk about the training. 01:54:36
Come up. Yeah. So the Bike Summit training is May 31st. Isn't you guys an e-mail a little bit ago? 01:54:41
If you want to go, just let us know. 01:54:48
Get your tickets. Yes, it's in West Jordan. 01:54:51
They're they're really interesting it's it's basically you get like a bunch of the state officials they're bringing experts from 01:54:55
around the world. It's really it's all about bikes like how do you make biking safer how do you promote biking and it's real cool 01:55:03
it's like a one day just really intense conference on on bikes. So I I you know I I think it's definitely applicable to you know a 01:55:10
lot of the projects that we're going to be undertaking there's another training that APA mid year conference is in Vernal if. 01:55:17
Any of you guys want to go to the bathroom and we've got funding for those things. So I mean we'll you know if you want to go 01:55:25
multi day we'll cover your hotel, travel expenses, whatnot. So just just let us know we we definitely want to get you any training 01:55:30
that you need. 01:55:34
Cool and Commissioner? 01:55:40
Oh, sorry. There there was. So you missed that meeting. There's an opportunity in April on the 13th at 6:00 PM. We're trying to do 01:55:43
a town hall. 01:55:48
Town hall meeting. We're in that town hall meeting. It's going to be focused on the. 01:55:54
Correct. Like the HOA. 01:56:02
Yes, In the Clubhouse building, that's the word. Yes. Yeah. So you'll have another opportunity to talk about Mill Rd. safety and 01:56:04
stuff and that that'll be for the whole community. We're going to try to get that whole part of the city out, the four apartment 01:56:09
complexes and that and the Edgewater development. And then we want to get their comments on how, how, how do we make no roads 01:56:14
safer. 01:56:19
During that translation plan, I was a corridor that a lot of residents felt was too dangerous to cross and they wanted get more 01:56:25
improvements. Could I get, like, notes or some sort of recording? Whatever you got, I was just wanting to know what's talked 01:56:30
about. Maybe. Oh, for the meeting yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can work with Emily in the same and see if we can get you some. 01:56:36
That'd be great. And then maybe I could. 01:56:41
Respond with. 01:56:48
Feedback. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. And we could even just meet with you individually too and just. 01:56:50
Yeah, I'll do a deep dive in the corridor, you know. Yeah. So thanks. Then also next week, the 22nd before the City Council 01:56:56
meeting at 5:00 PM, there is a mandatory I. 01:57:03
Open and public meetings act. Train. 01:57:10
That we all have to be there and do it online. You gotta be there 5:00 PM March 22nd. 01:57:13
We try to get it a little bit later. Right now some of you are coming back from work, so we apologize if you can't make it. We 01:57:20
really want to have you there. That's one of those that we have to have and there's other opportunities for it as well. And so 01:57:26
we'd like to get everyone there. If not, I think there might be some like online trainings and things like that that could satisfy 01:57:33
that requirement. But it's it's four hours of training and one of those trainings has to be the open and public meetings training. 01:57:39
Anything else from the staff? 01:57:47
Our next meeting is in three weeks. 01:57:51
That's in two weeks. Oh yeah. And then it's three weeks after that. 01:58:09
Cool, cool. If that's everything, then meeting adjourned. 01:58:14
Thank you. 01:58:35