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CALL TO ORDER Tay Gundmundson called the meeting to order at 6:02 pm. 1.INVOCATION/INSPIRATIONAL THOUGHTS/PLEDGE OFALLEGIANCE Chris Bramwell led the Pledge of Allegiance and offered an invocation. 2.
OPEN SESSION – There were no public comments. 3.
MINUTES REVIEW ANDAPPROVAL3.1 April 5, 2023.
MOTION: Anthony Jenkins moved to approve the April l5, 2023 meeting minutes. Craig Bown seconded the motion. Those voting aye:Tay Gundmundson, Graden Ostler, Anthony Jenkins, Christropher Bramwell, and Craig Bown.The motion was approved unanimously. 4.BUSINESS ITEMS 4.1
PUBLIC HEARING – Zoning Text Amendment - Sign Code Amendment Planner Cache Hancey presented a Zoning Text Amendment to amend Section 15.23.120 Signs. The proposed amendment would remove the Sign Standard Waiver, make changes to the Sign Standard Table, and add two additional sign types: Development Promotion and Direction and Wall Art and Building Mural.
MOTION: Anthony Jenkins made a motion to open the public hearing. Chris Bramwell seconded the motion. Those voting aye: Those voting aye: Tay Gundmundson, Graden Ostler, Anthony Jenkins, Christropher Bramwell, and Craig Bown. The motion passed unanimously.
MOTION: When no one came forward, Anthony Jenkins made a motion to close the public hearing. Chris Bramwell seconded the motion. Those voting aye: Those voting aye: Tay Gundmundson, Graden Ostler, Anthony Jenkins, Christropher Bramwell, and Craig Bown. The motion passed unanimously. There was a discussion on a city-initiated water mural project.
MOTION: Chris Bramwell made a motion to forward a positive recommendation to the City Council. Anthony Jenkins seconded the motion. Those voting aye: Tay Gundmundson, Graden Ostler, Anthony Jenkins, Christropher Bramwell, and Craig Bown. The motion passed unanimously. 4.2
CacheHancey presented a minor site plan for an Edgewater Parking Lot to allow for off-site residential parking.
Site Plan – Edgewater Parking Lot
There was a question if this parking lot will be accessible from the commercial businesses. It will only be available to residents of Edgewater HOA.
Tay Gudmundson asked the applicant, Karla Matta, how they came to an agreement with the HOA. Karla Matta addressed other questions from the Planning Commission.
MOTION: Anthony Jenkins made a motion to approve the Edgewater Parking Lot site plan application as presented. Chris Bramwell seconded the motion. Those voting aye: Those voting aye: Tay Gundmundson, Graden Ostler, Anthony Jenkins, Christropher Bramwell, and Craig Bown. The motion passed unanimously.5.WORKSESSION5.1 There were no work sessions scheduled. 6.TRAINING SESSION6.1 There were no training sessions scheduled. 7.
COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSIONDISCLOSUREAnthony reported on the Bike Commission. Tay Gundmundson reported on the Edgewater Town Hall meeting. Morgan Brim reported on public feedback concerning Mill Road. Cache Hancey provided a report on a visit to Davis, California, a bicycle friendly community. 8.ADJOURNMENT Tay Gundmundson adjourned the meeting at 6:36 pm. Minutes Certified Correct on:December 6, 2023 Certified by: /s/ Rachel Stevens Rachel Stevens, Planner

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	Interesting.	00:00:01
	OK, welcome everybody to Planning Commission we.	00:00:05
	Start with Chris.	00:00:09
	OK.	00:00:14
	Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,	00:00:20
	indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:25
	Our Father in Heaven, we are very grateful that we can be gathered here today, today, as a Planning Commission of Vineyard City.	00:00:38
	Please bless that.	00:00:46
	Discuss the matters before us on the agenda, that we can be mindful of the rights of those that we serve, and that we can be	00:00:48
	mindful of the laws of this State, the Constitution of the State, and the Constitution of the United States.	00:00:54
	And that we can do our duties to the best of our abilities, to the service of those in the community. And we say these things, you	00:00:59
	know, Jesus Christ. Amen.	00:01:03
	OK.	00:01:09
	Now we have an open session for members of the public to comment.	00:01:12
	Do you have anything to say about something not on the agenda? Now is the time.	00:01:18
	No, no. OK, cool.	00:01:25
	So we will move on to.	00:01:27
	Minutes for review and.	00:01:30
	If anybody has received the minutes from April 5th, yeah, I had a chance to take a look at those and make a motion that we approve	00:01:33
	those minutes. OK, do I have?	00:01:37
	2nd.	00:01:43
	OK. All in favor, Aye.	00:01:44
	Cool. All right. Now we'll move into our business items. We got 4.1, a public hearing.	00:01:47
	Zoning text Amendment, sign Code amendment.	00:01:54
	Public hearing I need.	00:01:59
	We need to move to open that up, right?	00:02:01
	So you can open up the public hearing now, or you can wait until after the staff presentation, so just whatever.	00:02:05
	Yeah, that way we can get some information out there if people do have questions about it.	00:02:13
	All right, sorry. Trying to do a lot of things over here.	00:02:17
	So my name is Cash Anti city Planner. I'll just be reviewing the sign code, zoning, text amendment. We've done a few work sessions	00:02:21
	on this already with the Commission, so I'll just kind of review. If you have any questions, feel free to stop me at any time. So	00:02:27
	this is a summary of what we're doing.	00:02:33
	We're working on removing the sign standard waiver. The code change would also increase the sign sizes and number allowed on the	00:02:39
	sign standard table.	00:02:44
	It creates 2 new additional sign types of promotional and directional sign, as well as wall art and building mural. And then	00:02:50
	there's minor changes throughout it just regarding definitions and grammar errors.	00:02:56
	In the history of Vineyard, I don't think a single sign standard waiver has been denied. I don't know if you verify that, but so	00:03:33
	we we thought that we'd make this process easier. I mean there's been times we've had Planning Commission meetings just to review	00:03:39
	a sign standard waiver. And so we thought we'd just try to make things easier for for everybody here and remove that altogether.	00:03:45
	Quick question then it's not necessarily allowing for anything above and beyond what the science standard.	00:03:52
	What the sign waiver would have done, correct? Yeah. So. So what we did is, is we looked at the maximums of what the sign standard	00:03:59
	waiver allowed and just put that into the.	00:04:03
	On the same standard table, there are a few other areas that I'll review as I breakdown that table to show you.	00:04:08
	But yeah, there's nothing drastic.	00:04:16
	And as a note, this doesn't really apply to these non residential I guess like the army is residential but the zones listed it	00:04:19
	doesn't apply to like your single family lots or anything like that. So you won't have like these big tenant multi tenant signs in	00:04:26
	residential neighborhoods.	00:04:32
	So these are the changes to the sign standard table. The single tenant monument sign increases the maximum height from six feet to	00:04:39
	10 feet. The multi tenant monument sign changes the Max height from 15 to 20 feet. The wall.	00:04:46
	We changed the Max size from 5% of the elevation to 10% of the elevation. We removed the set back location limit which was it had	00:04:54
	to be within 80% of its lease lines.	00:05:00
	We have a lot of applicants that want to put it like right on the corner of their building, which would technically go against the	00:05:06
	science standard table.	00:05:09
	It doesn't allow it to pass the roof line, so it can't stick above that.	00:05:14
	And then it removes the quantity limit total. It used to be a maximum of four wall signs per building and must approve through	00:05:19
	sign standard waiver. So we just removed that limit and instead the limit is about 10%. So once a building has 10% of its	00:05:25
	elevation covered in signs, they can't apply for any more time permits.	00:05:32
	So this is proposing that they could put a sign off right right up to the sidewalk. So that's not for. So Wolf sign has to be on	00:05:39
	the building. Yep. So the the monument signs still do have a set back. OK do you have that set back? Is it just 18 inches. I can	00:05:46
	pull up the code to check but I think it was pretty mental. So it was enough just to kind of push it out of where you know is	00:05:52
	there still language in there about like view corridor or yeah we we have an October we have a yeah we have clear Clearview and	00:05:59
	you can go.	00:06:05
	I think up to like 3 feet in a Clearview zone for landscaping, but we don't put structures and that kind of stuff.	00:06:12
	Yeah, none of those requirements we change because those are things that people couldn't even like if they wanted to make that	00:06:19
	change through sign center waiver, we wouldn't allow it. The sign standard waiver was very specific and what it allowed for these	00:06:24
	these signs to do.	00:06:29
	I'm just scrolling through it to see if there's anything else I missed, but that's it for the the getting rid of the sign standard	00:06:35
	waiver and and changing the sign standard table. If there's any questions about that I'm I'm happy to review that or we can move	00:06:40
	on to the next section.	00:06:45
	OK, so the next session is the creation of a directional and promotional sign. You may have already seen these throughout	00:06:53
	Vineyard. When a developer buys a new property, they usually throw up these big signs that say, you know, the forge or whatever it	00:07:01
	may be. Those are currently not allowed in our code and we felt that looking at other cities, just about every city has something	00:07:08
	that that does allow these. So we thought we should codify it and make a make a process in which developers can apply for this.	00:07:15
	And it just makes it easier for everybody. And we don't have to deal with, like, code enforcement telling these people they have	00:07:24
	to tear down these big signs that they put up.	00:07:27
	So in short, they have a maximum size of 96 square feet, a maximum height of 15.	00:07:32
	They have to be located within the property that it's advertising with A2 foot set back.	00:07:38
	They're allowed to have one per frontage, St. frontage with a maximum limit of four. And then there are some more requirements in	00:07:43
	the code of like the application process. So they will go to the city to to apply for this, and they are given a time limit in	00:07:48
	which they have to have it gone. I think it's one or two years, it might be one year and they're allowed to apply for a a second	00:07:54
	year.	00:07:59
	An extension to that wouldn't need to correct it, it would be all administrative.	00:08:05
	So the next time we reviewed I believe that the last Planning Commission meeting that's the wall art and building murals. This	00:08:11
	once again is applied to those non much single family residential zones. They have a maximum size of 30% of each facade and that	00:08:17
	they're able to increase that through the planning Commission's approval. That's the one change that we did make from the last	00:08:22
	meeting.	00:08:27
	It was through a City Council approval, but the Planning Commission felt that they could make that change, wouldn't have to go	00:08:33
	through the City Council.	00:08:36
	Maximum height. They can't exceed the height of the building. And then there's a few more requirements in in like the application	00:08:41
	process in the code.	00:08:45
	I can pull that up here.	00:08:49
	I think it's page 13 here.	00:08:53
	So if they're going to be in the public right of way, they'll be reviewed by the Arts Commission and and they'll have to be	00:08:57
	approved by the City Council.	00:09:02
	And then once again we we talked about distinguishing like lettering and logos and stuff.	00:09:08
	Would that be considered a wall sign of the mural? And this says that any lettering, logos or symbols for advertising purposes	00:09:14
	shall be considered part of a wall sign.	00:09:18
	So they couldn't make this giant wall sign and Justice call it a mural.	00:09:23
	So at night our goal with this would be to not be overly restrictive. And so if it's an Italian restaurant and they have a plate	00:09:28
	of spaghetti painted on their on their wall, we're we're we're going to allow that but if it's their actual official logo then	00:09:35
	that that then that's a sign. So then we would we would count that as part of the wall sign.	00:09:41
	So yeah, that is that is it for this zoning text amendment. Is there anything else that that you want to review, any questions you	00:09:50
	have for me?	00:09:55
	Nope. Let me Scroll down to.	00:10:03
	01 other thing that we did add in the sign types, we included Neighborhood, Commercial, GRMU and the Downtown Zone because those	00:10:07
	were not in the Science Center table in the first place.	00:10:11
	So we included those.	00:10:16
	Into the bottom section the more non single family home requirements.	00:10:19
	So yeah, that's that's all I have.	00:10:28
	OK. Do you guys have anything?	00:10:35
	No. OK, it feels like this is pretty.	00:10:39
	But we what we already improve and it'll be nice to not have to keep approving.	00:10:42
	All right, all right. Would anybody like to move to open this up to, is it public comment now, public hearing?	00:10:50
	OK. All in favor.	00:10:57
	OK. Do any members of the community have anything to comment?	00:11:03
	All right. I move to close the public hearing. OK. Do you have a second?	00:11:10
	Second, all in favor.	00:11:14
	All right, so.	00:11:18
	At this point.	00:11:19
	So you can discuss further or you can call for a motion. I do have a recommended.	00:11:22
	Planning Commission options here something you can.	00:11:31
	If you want to recommend approval, I have that in the wording. I do have one more quick question. I know that one of the areas	00:11:34
	that this would likely be impacted first is the water tank, correct? So it would be the city that would bring forth.	00:11:40
	Correct. Yeah. Yep. And So what we're doing right now is this logo of the city would be considered wall sign. I'm just saying you	00:11:47
	might be.	00:11:51
	I mean it is also that that water be the first so right, right and and.	00:11:56
	It's beneficial for us because of how big that water tower is. The water tank is and for the most part the the it's.	00:12:02
	Yeah, maybe there's a teeny city logo in there somewhere, but the idea is that it's it's going to be art. It's going to be like	00:12:08
	like a painted thing, so.	00:12:12
	It'll say come to business.	00:12:18
	That's all I'm saying is like that's probably the first one that.	00:12:21
	And so we'll want to make sure that we're not making, it'll be a good test case for this. Yeah. And that's a pretty good question	00:12:25
	too. So what would happen because there's different like we have with the mixed-use building that Carla and her team are working	00:12:30
	on in in the yard that's a private building.	00:12:35
	And so that would go through just the Planning Commission for if they wanted to increase the size, if not then it's just an	00:12:41
	approval like a sign permit and then a public building would have to go through the ARCH Commission and ultimately get approval	00:12:46
	from the City Council because they're they basically the owners of that, of that building. And so that that's how we split the two	00:12:52
	and I think you have a public comment over.	00:12:57
	I don't know. Yeah, we can.	00:13:06
	Go ahead.	00:13:10
	My question was, I saw it was 30% that's allowed, right? And then you have to seek approval. Is there a maximum that's stated at	00:13:13
	all or is it, is it just based upon?	00:13:18
	The individual I think I'm this one cash we we just left it so they they could do because the idea was like you'll you'll get	00:13:24
	those really cool murals and downtown and stuff that yeah we didn't want to make this super.	00:13:30
	The cap is the full facade, it says. The mural can't extend beyond the building itself. So the the guidance from our our legal	00:13:39
	counsel was to.	00:13:43
	You know, from a freedom of speech thing, just this kind of error and that. So if someone wanted to do art, then you know the only	00:13:49
	thing we would would restrict would be like the the logo or the name of the business.	00:13:54
	Yep, another question because just because I always like to think like what could possibly. Yeah, absolutely.	00:14:01
	Could someone do the side of their house with? No. So if you look in the code up here we have this. We have the sign standard	00:14:09
	tables kind of divided into two sections. The first section is.	00:14:15
	It's open space and then residential districts A1 and residential districts that does not permit murals.	00:14:21
	So Tony and and the like PF the water tank is is zoned as PF so that's why it would be allowed.	00:14:31
	Got it.	00:14:37
	Thank you.	00:14:39
	All right.	00:14:44
	Does anybody have anything else to say about it?	00:14:46
	More questions for staff?	00:14:49
	None for me.	00:14:53
	I mean, it just it just feels reads like what we've been asking for.	00:14:56
	Which works for me all right. Does anybody?	00:15:00
	Want to move to recommend or?	00:15:03
	I move to recommend approval ordinance 20/23/17 to.	00:15:08
	The City Council.	00:15:15
	Second there.	00:15:17
	OK. Now this is real call, right? Yep. All right, Chris, Aye, Anthony.	00:15:18
	And Craig?	00:15:26
	All right. We have moved to approve, so let's go to our next.	00:15:32
	Business Item 4.2 Site Plan.	00:15:38
	The Edgewater parking lot and we'll have, we'll have cash go. Once again, it's me.	00:15:42
	OK, let's pull that up here.	00:15:48
	So I I don't think that we've done a work session on this but in the past what we we did go through zone change you might be	00:15:52
	familiar a zoning text amendment for the GRMU district.	00:15:57
	To allow for off site residential parking in the Jag Army district as long as it's attached to the Edgewater community and that	00:16:02
	was approved or you guys recommended approval to the City Council and so now we're we're back with the site plan itself to.	00:16:10
	I should have hyperlinked it so that I don't have to comb through my whole report here to show you the actual site plan.	00:16:19
	But we have the site plan here. I'll just show you with the landscaping.	00:16:27
	So this is the site plan. We do also have the applicant here. Carla, you have the public base map too and it might be helpful	00:16:31
	this.	00:16:37
	So this.	00:16:54
	It's going to be right over here. Let me get rid of some layers.	00:16:56
	Clear things up a little bit.	00:17:00
	It's the entrance for the parking lot and Carla. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but.	00:17:03
	And the entrance will be right here. They're going to be relocating these. I think there's five parking stalls right here. They'll	00:17:08
	be relocating those and and I think going down to four parking lot stalls on this side and then the it'll stretch.	00:17:15
	All the way down to here and then this will be the exit in between these units here.	00:17:23
	So I'll go back to that. So you can kind of see there's an entrance right here and then this one is an exit only.	00:17:29
	So in.	00:17:36
	OK, let's see. This is page 40. Perfect. I just don't remember the exact number of parking stalls. It looks like there's 138	00:17:39
	parking stalls being added to the community.	00:17:43
	140 Oh, I didn't count the ones that are outside.	00:17:49
	It has three pedestrian access points.	00:17:58
	Towards the Edgewater townhomes as well as one that will go to the GRM you. So I'll go back to the.	00:18:01
	You can see it here. So you have access points in the fence. There's a there's a 42 inch decorative fence around the whole site.	00:18:10
	And there will be pedestrian access points.	00:18:18
	Throughout the the West.	00:18:22
	And then there is this one right here. If you can see where my cursor is at, that will be a access point into the group to future	00:18:26
	development, whether whatever retail or commercial may be right there.	00:18:32
	So go back to my report here.	00:18:41
	Besides that, they they were able to meet the the parking landscaping requirements, they have about just over 5% of the site	00:18:48
	landscape which is required for for a parking lot.	00:18:53
	We've sent this through the the DRC and didn't have any.	00:18:59
	Comments to hold back from.	00:19:05
	So that's that's all that I have if you have any questions.	00:19:07
	Happy to entertain them.	00:19:13
	So this will not be officially part of Edgewater.	00:19:17
	Or will it? It will be so, yeah, there will be no access from the GRGRMU into this. So people that are coming to their retail	00:19:22
	locations.	00:19:27
	Along the Gru cannot park in here. I mean, they'd have to go all the way around and into Edgewater, but it'll be permitted. So,	00:19:32
	but yeah, yeah, I I don't know exactly how the HOA is intending on on permitting it if they're gonna sell them or whatnot, but I	00:19:38
	believe that they will be taking over from X Development after this is all approved. OK. I'm just curious if it will forever and	00:19:44
	always be part of this or if it's intended to change in the future.	00:19:50
	No.	00:19:57
	So, and this the purpose of this is because there's all the parking there anyway and with the new development happening, those	00:20:04
	cars essentially.	00:20:08
	The anticipation that they will start parking here.	00:20:12
	That is, yeah, yeah, there's that. There's a lot that it's belongs part of it belongs to, that's development, part of it belongs	00:20:16
	to the city and that whole site is being going to be developed soon into this multi family building. And so the the HOA wouldn't	00:20:22
	knew that they were in desperate need of parking and so they they approached ex development to see if they could purchase this	00:20:28
	property from them and turn it into the parking lot that they would be able to use.	00:20:33
	Any ex development previously there was there was like 240 or some odd number of cars there so.	00:20:40
	Yeah, there'll still be some anticipated parking issues that make. Yeah. What you'll see too is U dot the city and the developer.	00:20:47
	We're going to update the overall enforcement especially like where that 400 N is because that that really is a bad look for the	00:20:56
	city and it's there's there's there's crime now there's a lot of stuff. Yeah. So we that that is an area we'd like to see.	00:21:05
	Cleaned up because we're anticipating the full intersection at some point, but it is a major viewpoint in the city and I imagine	00:21:14
	when they start construction there, they're going to block off quite a bit of it as they don't want any vehicles being damaged by	00:21:20
	deliveries and whatnot going on through the the construction.	00:21:25
	OK. Is that?	00:21:37
	Is that presentation cool? That's that's all I have. OK, do we have a moving for a public hearing?	00:21:39
	This is not a this is just a second. So on this one, the difference is you can open public comment just through if you want it,	00:21:49
	but it's not. It's not like the legal public or if you have any questions for Carla and the developer there.	00:21:55
	I guess I do have a question for Carla.	00:22:03
	OK.	00:22:11
	So.	00:22:13
	I don't know. I guess I'm wondering like how?	00:22:18
	Is it working well with the HOA? How are you guys? How did you land?	00:22:21
	This design.	00:22:26
	So basically we, you know, they approached us about buying some land for us from us rather.	00:22:28
	We have tried to accommodate a parcel that and so started a little bit bigger and it's had to get smaller. It's in order to	00:22:35
	accommodate the other uses that we are currently negotiating and so forth and so.	00:22:40
	This size was a read on with us with the HOA. They've been great to work with. I think we've made a a great partnership. I think	00:22:46
	we've set a good example for what can be in the city in order to help resolve some of the the parking issues.	00:22:53
	And so we, you know they hired the engineer that we work with very closely that already knows the vineyard properties that we have	00:23:02
	and that's how that this, this site plan came to be. OK, I I appreciate.	00:23:09
	Two entrances that's going to make this usable and.	00:23:17
	Maintainable.	00:23:22
	One way though, right? So one way. That's one way. The main one is yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna say that, OK. The main one is 2 way.	00:23:25
	What I mean is like there are two access points.	00:23:33
	But sorry, but one is the one way correct around the South, There's only one way, just because of the space limitations. Yeah, I	00:23:36
	was just concerned about being able to plow it.	00:23:41
	For sure. Cool.	00:23:47
	I guess the only real question I had, I'm excited. I actually did have one. Oh, yeah, I bet you are. It'll help you benefit you	00:23:51
	directly, right? You will. I do have one question about the fencing.	00:23:56
	I know so.	00:24:03
	The since Utah water parcel directly to the north, they're going to have a cement wall there, so the question is if it.	00:24:04
	You know if this if the HOA has the option to allow that to be where the walls are there needs to be sent against. Yeah you're	00:24:13
	you're fine. You don't need to double fence that on this elevation here. I mean if you wanted to I guess you could but that might	00:24:20
	yeah I agree a useless decorations agreed. Yeah. And I just I mean that's a decision in the end that the new owner will will make	00:24:28
	right. But I just wanted to find out.	00:24:35
	OK.	00:25:15
	Is there lighting? Yes, there is lighting.	00:25:17
	There's lighting throughout that. It's not enough. Yeah, the lighting met all of our standards and the pole height and and are	00:25:20
	they going to be put on a timer, do you know?	00:25:24
	I don't know. I thought, I would imagine that would be an HOA decision. Yeah, I would think so. And that would make the most	00:25:30
	sense. Yeah. I think in there I said eight lights.	00:25:35
	I don't recall how many there are. I know they're 2020 foot poles and they're they're all.	00:25:40
	You know, the foot candles are enough to make it so there's appropriate lighting for for residential and safety. Yeah, there are	00:25:47
	images and.	00:25:50
	This is the style light.	00:25:55
	Straight down, it's really similar to what, Silver by Top Golf? It's basically the same type of a pulling head.	00:25:59
	OK, thanks. Any more questions for me?	00:26:07
	OK. Would anybody like to open this up for public comment?	00:26:12
	Should I do I need to do that? Do I just open it all right?	00:26:16
	If any of the public have comments on this packing lot now.	00:26:21
	No.	00:26:26
	OK, so.	00:26:31
	Next we move to.	00:26:33
	Does anybody have a motion to make?	00:26:37
	Yeah, I'll go ahead. I move to approve the Geneva frontage retail parking lot minor site plan amendment application as presented	00:26:43
	by city staff.	00:26:47
	OK, second that.	00:26:53
	Excellent. All in favor, aye?	00:26:55
	Excellent has been improved.	00:27:00
	And that is it for business items.	00:27:05
	And no work session. It looks like we're training.	00:27:08
	So we've just moved right along to capacity members, reports and expertise, discussion and disclosure staff have anything for us.	00:27:11
	Yeah, so if there's, if there's nothing from.	00:27:22
	Any of the the, the commissioners, have you guys, have you guys done any like committees or attended?	00:27:27
	The bike committee is meeting tomorrow.	00:27:34
	And Bike Month is in May, and so you.	00:27:37
	More things coming up with that and then the two days ago we did a Facebook live for the transportation.	00:27:41
	That we've been working on. So if you haven't watched that, go back and check it out. It was pretty short. It was about 20	00:27:49
	minutes, 25 minutes.	00:27:52
	And and yeah, just the different workshops and things like that that we've got going on open surveys, so.	00:27:56
	Encourage your neighbors.	00:28:03
	Just stay in it.	00:28:05
	I mean, I guess I went to the town hall this last week.	00:28:08
	It's very informative. It was about the Mill Rd.	00:28:14
	Making it.	00:28:17
	Getting the public's ideas for what they would like to see as far as intersections and parking and bike lanes go.	00:28:21
	And I don't know, it sounded like those people wanted to protected bike lane throughout.	00:28:30
	And they really liked the idea of.	00:28:36
	Having parking to protect the bike lane.	00:28:40
	I thought that was going to need kind of re envisioning the Mill Rd.	00:28:45
	This is good to hear what everybody else's input was.	00:28:49
	That was a nice, it's a good showing. The assistant Fire Chief came and he provided kind of an overview of the fire that that	00:28:53
	happened in that community too and I I think that helped some of the residents and others some.	00:28:59
	And maybe, yeah, little community anxiety about about just the fire and stuff like that. So it sounded like when the the the	00:29:07
	person was moving into the townhome, they.	00:29:13
	They set a box on top of the stove and then when they turned to go out there, elbow bumped.	00:29:19
	Just slightly enough that it turns it on. Yeah, turn it on. So.	00:29:25
	But it was good to see how the damage was all contained in that unit.	00:29:31
	There were two firefighters that were injured though and they are they are covering luckily. So yeah, they they showed some pretty	00:29:38
	crazy pictures of the fire and and how they were able to get out. They had to get out through the second story window.	00:29:45
	But yeah, they they did a really good job. The fire that did a great job.	00:29:51
	Yeah, I guess like the smoke caught fire. Yeah. Anyway, so if you ever say from the staff side, if you have any interest in being	00:29:56
	a part of that conversation, we're going to take those comments. We're meeting tomorrow as Anthony indicated with the Bicycle	00:30:03
	Advisory Commission and cash will be leading the the conversation.	00:30:09
	And so digging a little bit deeper into some of the comments we received at the Town Hall on Mill Rd. What we'll then do is take	00:30:17
	all those comments where you see from the Bicycle Advisory Commission and from those residents.	00:30:22
	Over, you know, the 10 seconds that you can get through this tree a little faster.	00:30:59
	So it'll it'll it'll be kind of cool. So we'll take those and we'll most likely be doing a a work session with the the Planning	00:31:06
	Commission soon or not. And and with that we will also be continuing these neighborhood events, these town halls we've kind of	00:31:12
	divided the city up into to similar neighborhoods and we'll be doing those I think once a month, once every other month or	00:31:19
	something like that. So just keep an eye out for, for probably social media posts when we'll be coming to a neighborhood near you.	00:31:26
	Very good. And then did you want to update on the?	00:31:33
	Oh yeah, sure. So David, so yeah, this last week I was able to go to Davis, CA. I went with Kaden, the Bicycle Advisory Commission	00:31:37
	and we toured Davis, CA which is it was like the first platinum rated bicycle friendly city.	00:31:45
	And college. The UC Davis is there, so we were able to to rent some bikes from the university there and we went with the Wasatch	00:31:54
	Regional, Wasatch Front Regional Council and MAG. There's a group of about 25 of us and we we wrote probably 30 miles and a day	00:32:00
	and a half, just around campus, around the city.	00:32:06
	Just got to see how they're kind of their networks combined because there are two different entities with the university and the	00:32:12
	city.	00:32:16
	It is really eye opening experience to see all of the infrastructure they they've put in place, but it's also.	00:32:20
	Helped me realize that bicycle infrastructure doesn't have to be expensive. You know, there's a lot of stuff that they just, you	00:32:26
	know, put paint on the road and and it solves a lot of issues.	00:32:30
	It also helps that the commun.	00:32:35
	Bicycle friendly and and they they understand that they're bicycle city. So even cars are more cautious towards towards bicyclists	00:32:37
	and it'll it'll be cool just to see how we can incorporate some of these ideas when UVU starts developing. Similarly we'll have a	00:32:44
	relationship with them of college students coming and going and you know we can encourage students to bring a bike instead of a	00:32:51
	car to campus that'll you know make everybody happier but you know we need as a city need to provide.	00:32:57
	Safe ways for them to be able to get from campus to.	00:33:05
	You know, to restaurants, to schools, to whatever it may be, to housing. So, yeah, well, Kaden and I, I think we'll be doing the	00:33:08
	presentation to the City Council sometime in the near future. It might even be the Planning Commission. But we have some cool	00:33:14
	slides and data from UC Davis that we'll share.	00:33:19
	So overall it was a it was a good time. It was quick. We flew in Monday morning at like 7:00 AM and flew home Tuesday by 8:00 PM.	00:33:26
	He played a lot of board games, so if you only like an hour and a half, you guys ever going to a planning conference with cask, he	00:33:37
	loves board games. So so you know.	00:33:42
	Excellent. Yep. Thank you. Thankful. OK. Umm.	00:33:46
	And we. Look, look, I have an English degree. I'm going to use my words. I paid money for that anyway. OK, Well, if that's it for	00:33:52
	everybody, the meeting is adjourned and we'll see you in two weeks.	00:33:59

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	Interesting.	00:00:01
	OK, welcome everybody to Planning Commission we.	00:00:05
	Start with Chris.	00:00:09
	OK.	00:00:14
	Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,	00:00:20
	indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:25
	Our Father in Heaven, we are very grateful that we can be gathered here today, today, as a Planning Commission of Vineyard City.	00:00:38
	Please bless that.	00:00:46
	Discuss the matters before us on the agenda, that we can be mindful of the rights of those that we serve, and that we can be	00:00:48
	mindful of the laws of this State, the Constitution of the State, and the Constitution of the United States.	00:00:54
	And that we can do our duties to the best of our abilities, to the service of those in the community. And we say these things, you	00:00:59
	know, Jesus Christ. Amen.	00:01:03
	OK.	00:01:09
	Now we have an open session for members of the public to comment.	00:01:12
	Do you have anything to say about something not on the agenda? Now is the time.	00:01:18
	No, no. OK, cool.	00:01:25
	So we will move on to.	00:01:27
	Minutes for review and.	00:01:30
	If anybody has received the minutes from April 5th, yeah, I had a chance to take a look at those and make a motion that we approve	00:01:33
	those minutes. OK, do I have?	00:01:37
	2nd.	00:01:43
	OK. All in favor, Aye.	00:01:44
	Cool. All right. Now we'll move into our business items. We got 4.1, a public hearing.	00:01:47
	Zoning text Amendment, sign Code amendment.	00:01:54
	Public hearing I need.	00:01:59
	We need to move to open that up, right?	00:02:01
	So you can open up the public hearing now, or you can wait until after the staff presentation, so just whatever.	00:02:05
	Yeah, that way we can get some information out there if people do have questions about it.	00:02:13
	All right, sorry. Trying to do a lot of things over here.	00:02:17
	So my name is Cash Anti city Planner. I'll just be reviewing the sign code, zoning, text amendment. We've done a few work sessions	00:02:21
	on this already with the Commission, so I'll just kind of review. If you have any questions, feel free to stop me at any time. So	00:02:27
	this is a summary of what we're doing.	00:02:33
	We're working on removing the sign standard waiver. The code change would also increase the sign sizes and number allowed on the	00:02:39
	sign standard table.	00:02:44
	It creates 2 new additional sign types of promotional and directional sign, as well as wall art and building mural. And then	00:02:50
	there's minor changes throughout it just regarding definitions and grammar errors.	00:02:56
	In the history of Vineyard, I don't think a single sign standard waiver has been denied. I don't know if you verify that, but so	00:03:33
	we we thought that we'd make this process easier. I mean there's been times we've had Planning Commission meetings just to review	00:03:39
	a sign standard waiver. And so we thought we'd just try to make things easier for for everybody here and remove that altogether.	00:03:45
	Quick question then it's not necessarily allowing for anything above and beyond what the science standard.	00:03:52
	What the sign waiver would have done, correct? Yeah. So. So what we did is, is we looked at the maximums of what the sign standard	00:03:59
	waiver allowed and just put that into the.	00:04:03
	On the same standard table, there are a few other areas that I'll review as I breakdown that table to show you.	00:04:08
	But yeah, there's nothing drastic.	00:04:16
	And as a note, this doesn't really apply to these non residential I guess like the army is residential but the zones listed it	00:04:19
	doesn't apply to like your single family lots or anything like that. So you won't have like these big tenant multi tenant signs in	00:04:26
	residential neighborhoods.	00:04:32
	So these are the changes to the sign standard table. The single tenant monument sign increases the maximum height from six feet to	00:04:39
	10 feet. The multi tenant monument sign changes the Max height from 15 to 20 feet. The wall.	00:04:46
	We changed the Max size from 5% of the elevation to 10% of the elevation. We removed the set back location limit which was it had	00:04:54
	to be within 80% of its lease lines.	00:05:00
	We have a lot of applicants that want to put it like right on the corner of their building, which would technically go against the	00:05:06
	science standard table.	00:05:09
	It doesn't allow it to pass the roof line, so it can't stick above that.	00:05:14
	And then it removes the quantity limit total. It used to be a maximum of four wall signs per building and must approve through	00:05:19
	sign standard waiver. So we just removed that limit and instead the limit is about 10%. So once a building has 10% of its	00:05:25
	elevation covered in signs, they can't apply for any more time permits.	00:05:32
	So this is proposing that they could put a sign off right right up to the sidewalk. So that's not for. So Wolf sign has to be on	00:05:39
	the building. Yep. So the the monument signs still do have a set back. OK do you have that set back? Is it just 18 inches. I can	00:05:46
	pull up the code to check but I think it was pretty mental. So it was enough just to kind of push it out of where you know is	00:05:52
	there still language in there about like view corridor or yeah we we have an October we have a yeah we have clear Clearview and	00:05:59
	you can go.	00:06:05
	I think up to like 3 feet in a Clearview zone for landscaping, but we don't put structures and that kind of stuff.	00:06:12
	Yeah, none of those requirements we change because those are things that people couldn't even like if they wanted to make that	00:06:19
	change through sign center waiver, we wouldn't allow it. The sign standard waiver was very specific and what it allowed for these	00:06:24
	these signs to do.	00:06:29
	I'm just scrolling through it to see if there's anything else I missed, but that's it for the the getting rid of the sign standard	00:06:35
	waiver and and changing the sign standard table. If there's any questions about that I'm I'm happy to review that or we can move	00:06:40
	on to the next section.	00:06:45
	OK, so the next session is the creation of a directional and promotional sign. You may have already seen these throughout	00:06:53
	Vineyard. When a developer buys a new property, they usually throw up these big signs that say, you know, the forge or whatever it	00:07:01
	may be. Those are currently not allowed in our code and we felt that looking at other cities, just about every city has something	00:07:08
	that that does allow these. So we thought we should codify it and make a make a process in which developers can apply for this.	00:07:15
	And it just makes it easier for everybody. And we don't have to deal with, like, code enforcement telling these people they have	00:07:24
	to tear down these big signs that they put up.	00:07:27
	So in short, they have a maximum size of 96 square feet, a maximum height of 15.	00:07:32
	They have to be located within the property that it's advertising with A2 foot set back.	00:07:38
	They're allowed to have one per frontage, St. frontage with a maximum limit of four. And then there are some more requirements in	00:07:43
	the code of like the application process. So they will go to the city to to apply for this, and they are given a time limit in	00:07:48
	which they have to have it gone. I think it's one or two years, it might be one year and they're allowed to apply for a a second	00:07:54
	year.	00:07:59
	An extension to that wouldn't need to correct it, it would be all administrative.	00:08:05
	So the next time we reviewed I believe that the last Planning Commission meeting that's the wall art and building murals. This	00:08:11
	once again is applied to those non much single family residential zones. They have a maximum size of 30% of each facade and that	00:08:17
	they're able to increase that through the planning Commission's approval. That's the one change that we did make from the last	00:08:22
	meeting.	00:08:27
	It was through a City Council approval, but the Planning Commission felt that they could make that change, wouldn't have to go	00:08:33
	through the City Council.	00:08:36
	Maximum height. They can't exceed the height of the building. And then there's a few more requirements in in like the application	00:08:41
	process in the code.	00:08:45
	I can pull that up here.	00:08:49
	I think it's page 13 here.	00:08:53
	So if they're going to be in the public right of way, they'll be reviewed by the Arts Commission and and they'll have to be	00:08:57
	approved by the City Council.	00:09:02
	And then once again we we talked about distinguishing like lettering and logos and stuff.	00:09:08
	Would that be considered a wall sign of the mural? And this says that any lettering, logos or symbols for advertising purposes	00:09:14
	shall be considered part of a wall sign.	00:09:18
	So they couldn't make this giant wall sign and Justice call it a mural.	00:09:23
	So at night our goal with this would be to not be overly restrictive. And so if it's an Italian restaurant and they have a plate	00:09:28
	of spaghetti painted on their on their wall, we're we're we're going to allow that but if it's their actual official logo then	00:09:35
	that that then that's a sign. So then we would we would count that as part of the wall sign.	00:09:41
	So yeah, that is that is it for this zoning text amendment. Is there anything else that that you want to review, any questions you	00:09:50
	have for me?	00:09:55
	Nope. Let me Scroll down to.	00:10:03
	01 other thing that we did add in the sign types, we included Neighborhood, Commercial, GRMU and the Downtown Zone because those	00:10:07
	were not in the Science Center table in the first place.	00:10:11
	So we included those.	00:10:16
	Into the bottom section the more non single family home requirements.	00:10:19
	So yeah, that's that's all I have.	00:10:28
	OK. Do you guys have anything?	00:10:35
	No. OK, it feels like this is pretty.	00:10:39
	But we what we already improve and it'll be nice to not have to keep approving.	00:10:42
	All right, all right. Would anybody like to move to open this up to, is it public comment now, public hearing?	00:10:50
	OK. All in favor.	00:10:57
	OK. Do any members of the community have anything to comment?	00:11:03
	All right. I move to close the public hearing. OK. Do you have a second?	00:11:10
	Second, all in favor.	00:11:14
	All right, so.	00:11:18
	At this point.	00:11:19
	So you can discuss further or you can call for a motion. I do have a recommended.	00:11:22
	Planning Commission options here something you can.	00:11:31
	If you want to recommend approval, I have that in the wording. I do have one more quick question. I know that one of the areas	00:11:34
	that this would likely be impacted first is the water tank, correct? So it would be the city that would bring forth.	00:11:40
	Correct. Yeah. Yep. And So what we're doing right now is this logo of the city would be considered wall sign. I'm just saying you	00:11:47
	might be.	00:11:51
	I mean it is also that that water be the first so right, right and and.	00:11:56
	It's beneficial for us because of how big that water tower is. The water tank is and for the most part the the it's.	00:12:02
	Yeah, maybe there's a teeny city logo in there somewhere, but the idea is that it's it's going to be art. It's going to be like	00:12:08
	like a painted thing, so.	00:12:12
	It'll say come to business.	00:12:18
	That's all I'm saying is like that's probably the first one that.	00:12:21
	And so we'll want to make sure that we're not making, it'll be a good test case for this. Yeah. And that's a pretty good question	00:12:25
	too. So what would happen because there's different like we have with the mixed-use building that Carla and her team are working	00:12:30
	on in in the yard that's a private building.	00:12:35
	And so that would go through just the Planning Commission for if they wanted to increase the size, if not then it's just an	00:12:41
	approval like a sign permit and then a public building would have to go through the ARCH Commission and ultimately get approval	00:12:46
	from the City Council because they're they basically the owners of that, of that building. And so that that's how we split the two	00:12:52
	and I think you have a public comment over.	00:12:57
	I don't know. Yeah, we can.	00:13:06
	Go ahead.	00:13:10
	My question was, I saw it was 30% that's allowed, right? And then you have to seek approval. Is there a maximum that's stated at	00:13:13
	all or is it, is it just based upon?	00:13:18
	The individual I think I'm this one cash we we just left it so they they could do because the idea was like you'll you'll get	00:13:24
	those really cool murals and downtown and stuff that yeah we didn't want to make this super.	00:13:30
	The cap is the full facade, it says. The mural can't extend beyond the building itself. So the the guidance from our our legal	00:13:39
	counsel was to.	00:13:43
	You know, from a freedom of speech thing, just this kind of error and that. So if someone wanted to do art, then you know the only	00:13:49
	thing we would would restrict would be like the the logo or the name of the business.	00:13:54
	Yep, another question because just because I always like to think like what could possibly. Yeah, absolutely.	00:14:01
	Could someone do the side of their house with? No. So if you look in the code up here we have this. We have the sign standard	00:14:09
	tables kind of divided into two sections. The first section is.	00:14:15
	It's open space and then residential districts A1 and residential districts that does not permit murals.	00:14:21
	So Tony and and the like PF the water tank is is zoned as PF so that's why it would be allowed.	00:14:31
	Got it.	00:14:37
	Thank you.	00:14:39
	All right.	00:14:44
	Does anybody have anything else to say about it?	00:14:46
	More questions for staff?	00:14:49
	None for me.	00:14:53
	I mean, it just it just feels reads like what we've been asking for.	00:14:56
	Which works for me all right. Does anybody?	00:15:00
	Want to move to recommend or?	00:15:03
	I move to recommend approval ordinance 20/23/17 to.	00:15:08
	The City Council.	00:15:15
	Second there.	00:15:17
	OK. Now this is real call, right? Yep. All right, Chris, Aye, Anthony.	00:15:18
	And Craig?	00:15:26
	All right. We have moved to approve, so let's go to our next.	00:15:32
	Business Item 4.2 Site Plan.	00:15:38
	The Edgewater parking lot and we'll have, we'll have cash go. Once again, it's me.	00:15:42
	OK, let's pull that up here.	00:15:48
	So I I don't think that we've done a work session on this but in the past what we we did go through zone change you might be	00:15:52
	familiar a zoning text amendment for the GRMU district.	00:15:57
	To allow for off site residential parking in the Jag Army district as long as it's attached to the Edgewater community and that	00:16:02
	was approved or you guys recommended approval to the City Council and so now we're we're back with the site plan itself to.	00:16:10
	I should have hyperlinked it so that I don't have to comb through my whole report here to show you the actual site plan.	00:16:19
	But we have the site plan here. I'll just show you with the landscaping.	00:16:27
	So this is the site plan. We do also have the applicant here. Carla, you have the public base map too and it might be helpful	00:16:31
	this.	00:16:37
	So this.	00:16:54
	It's going to be right over here. Let me get rid of some layers.	00:16:56
	Clear things up a little bit.	00:17:00
	It's the entrance for the parking lot and Carla. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but.	00:17:03
	And the entrance will be right here. They're going to be relocating these. I think there's five parking stalls right here. They'll	00:17:08
	be relocating those and and I think going down to four parking lot stalls on this side and then the it'll stretch.	00:17:15
	All the way down to here and then this will be the exit in between these units here.	00:17:23
	So I'll go back to that. So you can kind of see there's an entrance right here and then this one is an exit only.	00:17:29
	So in.	00:17:36
	OK, let's see. This is page 40. Perfect. I just don't remember the exact number of parking stalls. It looks like there's 138	00:17:39
	parking stalls being added to the community.	00:17:43
	140 Oh, I didn't count the ones that are outside.	00:17:49
	It has three pedestrian access points.	00:17:58
	Towards the Edgewater townhomes as well as one that will go to the GRM you. So I'll go back to the.	00:18:01
	You can see it here. So you have access points in the fence. There's a there's a 42 inch decorative fence around the whole site.	00:18:10
	And there will be pedestrian access points.	00:18:18
	Throughout the the West.	00:18:22
	And then there is this one right here. If you can see where my cursor is at, that will be a access point into the group to future	00:18:26
	development, whether whatever retail or commercial may be right there.	00:18:32
	So go back to my report here.	00:18:41
	Besides that, they they were able to meet the the parking landscaping requirements, they have about just over 5% of the site	00:18:48
	landscape which is required for for a parking lot.	00:18:53
	We've sent this through the the DRC and didn't have any.	00:18:59
	Comments to hold back from.	00:19:05
	So that's that's all that I have if you have any questions.	00:19:07
	Happy to entertain them.	00:19:13
	So this will not be officially part of Edgewater.	00:19:17
	Or will it? It will be so, yeah, there will be no access from the GRGRMU into this. So people that are coming to their retail	00:19:22
	locations.	00:19:27
	Along the Gru cannot park in here. I mean, they'd have to go all the way around and into Edgewater, but it'll be permitted. So,	00:19:32
	but yeah, yeah, I I don't know exactly how the HOA is intending on on permitting it if they're gonna sell them or whatnot, but I	00:19:38
	believe that they will be taking over from X Development after this is all approved. OK. I'm just curious if it will forever and	00:19:44
	always be part of this or if it's intended to change in the future.	00:19:50
	No.	00:19:57
	So, and this the purpose of this is because there's all the parking there anyway and with the new development happening, those	00:20:04
	cars essentially.	00:20:08
	The anticipation that they will start parking here.	00:20:12
	That is, yeah, yeah, there's that. There's a lot that it's belongs part of it belongs to, that's development, part of it belongs	00:20:16
	to the city and that whole site is being going to be developed soon into this multi family building. And so the the HOA wouldn't	00:20:22
	knew that they were in desperate need of parking and so they they approached ex development to see if they could purchase this	00:20:28
	property from them and turn it into the parking lot that they would be able to use.	00:20:33
	Any ex development previously there was there was like 240 or some odd number of cars there so.	00:20:40
	Yeah, there'll still be some anticipated parking issues that make. Yeah. What you'll see too is U dot the city and the developer.	00:20:47
	We're going to update the overall enforcement especially like where that 400 N is because that that really is a bad look for the	00:20:56
	city and it's there's there's there's crime now there's a lot of stuff. Yeah. So we that that is an area we'd like to see.	00:21:05
	Cleaned up because we're anticipating the full intersection at some point, but it is a major viewpoint in the city and I imagine	00:21:14
	when they start construction there, they're going to block off quite a bit of it as they don't want any vehicles being damaged by	00:21:20
	deliveries and whatnot going on through the the construction.	00:21:25
	OK. Is that?	00:21:37
	Is that presentation cool? That's that's all I have. OK, do we have a moving for a public hearing?	00:21:39
	This is not a this is just a second. So on this one, the difference is you can open public comment just through if you want it,	00:21:49
	but it's not. It's not like the legal public or if you have any questions for Carla and the developer there.	00:21:55
	I guess I do have a question for Carla.	00:22:03
	OK.	00:22:11
	So.	00:22:13
	I don't know. I guess I'm wondering like how?	00:22:18
	Is it working well with the HOA? How are you guys? How did you land?	00:22:21
	This design.	00:22:26
	So basically we, you know, they approached us about buying some land for us from us rather.	00:22:28
	We have tried to accommodate a parcel that and so started a little bit bigger and it's had to get smaller. It's in order to	00:22:35
	accommodate the other uses that we are currently negotiating and so forth and so.	00:22:40
	This size was a read on with us with the HOA. They've been great to work with. I think we've made a a great partnership. I think	00:22:46
	we've set a good example for what can be in the city in order to help resolve some of the the parking issues.	00:22:53
	And so we, you know they hired the engineer that we work with very closely that already knows the vineyard properties that we have	00:23:02
	and that's how that this, this site plan came to be. OK, I I appreciate.	00:23:09
	Two entrances that's going to make this usable and.	00:23:17
	Maintainable.	00:23:22
	One way though, right? So one way. That's one way. The main one is yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna say that, OK. The main one is 2 way.	00:23:25
	What I mean is like there are two access points.	00:23:33
	But sorry, but one is the one way correct around the South, There's only one way, just because of the space limitations. Yeah, I	00:23:36
	was just concerned about being able to plow it.	00:23:41
	For sure. Cool.	00:23:47
	I guess the only real question I had, I'm excited. I actually did have one. Oh, yeah, I bet you are. It'll help you benefit you	00:23:51
	directly, right? You will. I do have one question about the fencing.	00:23:56
	I know so.	00:24:03
	The since Utah water parcel directly to the north, they're going to have a cement wall there, so the question is if it.	00:24:04
	You know if this if the HOA has the option to allow that to be where the walls are there needs to be sent against. Yeah you're	00:24:13
	you're fine. You don't need to double fence that on this elevation here. I mean if you wanted to I guess you could but that might	00:24:20
	yeah I agree a useless decorations agreed. Yeah. And I just I mean that's a decision in the end that the new owner will will make	00:24:28
	right. But I just wanted to find out.	00:24:35
	OK.	00:25:15
	Is there lighting? Yes, there is lighting.	00:25:17
	There's lighting throughout that. It's not enough. Yeah, the lighting met all of our standards and the pole height and and are	00:25:20
	they going to be put on a timer, do you know?	00:25:24
	I don't know. I thought, I would imagine that would be an HOA decision. Yeah, I would think so. And that would make the most	00:25:30
	sense. Yeah. I think in there I said eight lights.	00:25:35
	I don't recall how many there are. I know they're 2020 foot poles and they're they're all.	00:25:40
	You know, the foot candles are enough to make it so there's appropriate lighting for for residential and safety. Yeah, there are	00:25:47
	images and.	00:25:50
	This is the style light.	00:25:55
	Straight down, it's really similar to what, Silver by Top Golf? It's basically the same type of a pulling head.	00:25:59
	OK, thanks. Any more questions for me?	00:26:07
	OK. Would anybody like to open this up for public comment?	00:26:12
	Should I do I need to do that? Do I just open it all right?	00:26:16
	If any of the public have comments on this packing lot now.	00:26:21
	No.	00:26:26
	OK, so.	00:26:31
	Next we move to.	00:26:33
	Does anybody have a motion to make?	00:26:37
	Yeah, I'll go ahead. I move to approve the Geneva frontage retail parking lot minor site plan amendment application as presented	00:26:43
	by city staff.	00:26:47
	OK, second that.	00:26:53
	Excellent. All in favor, aye?	00:26:55
	Excellent has been improved.	00:27:00
	And that is it for business items.	00:27:05
	And no work session. It looks like we're training.	00:27:08
	So we've just moved right along to capacity members, reports and expertise, discussion and disclosure staff have anything for us.	00:27:11
	Yeah, so if there's, if there's nothing from.	00:27:22
	Any of the the, the commissioners, have you guys, have you guys done any like committees or attended?	00:27:27
	The bike committee is meeting tomorrow.	00:27:34
	And Bike Month is in May, and so you.	00:27:37
	More things coming up with that and then the two days ago we did a Facebook live for the transportation.	00:27:41
	That we've been working on. So if you haven't watched that, go back and check it out. It was pretty short. It was about 20	00:27:49
	minutes, 25 minutes.	00:27:52
	And and yeah, just the different workshops and things like that that we've got going on open surveys, so.	00:27:56
	Encourage your neighbors.	00:28:03
	Just stay in it.	00:28:05
	I mean, I guess I went to the town hall this last week.	00:28:08
	It's very informative. It was about the Mill Rd.	00:28:14
	Making it.	00:28:17
	Getting the public's ideas for what they would like to see as far as intersections and parking and bike lanes go.	00:28:21
	And I don't know, it sounded like those people wanted to protected bike lane throughout.	00:28:30
	And they really liked the idea of.	00:28:36
	Having parking to protect the bike lane.	00:28:40
	I thought that was going to need kind of re envisioning the Mill Rd.	00:28:45
	This is good to hear what everybody else's input was.	00:28:49
	That was a nice, it's a good showing. The assistant Fire Chief came and he provided kind of an overview of the fire that that	00:28:53
	happened in that community too and I I think that helped some of the residents and others some.	00:28:59
	And maybe, yeah, little community anxiety about about just the fire and stuff like that. So it sounded like when the the the	00:29:07
	person was moving into the townhome, they.	00:29:13
	They set a box on top of the stove and then when they turned to go out there, elbow bumped.	00:29:19
	Just slightly enough that it turns it on. Yeah, turn it on. So.	00:29:25
	But it was good to see how the damage was all contained in that unit.	00:29:31
	There were two firefighters that were injured though and they are they are covering luckily. So yeah, they they showed some pretty	00:29:38
	crazy pictures of the fire and and how they were able to get out. They had to get out through the second story window.	00:29:45
	But yeah, they they did a really good job. The fire that did a great job.	00:29:51
	Yeah, I guess like the smoke caught fire. Yeah. Anyway, so if you ever say from the staff side, if you have any interest in being	00:29:56
	a part of that conversation, we're going to take those comments. We're meeting tomorrow as Anthony indicated with the Bicycle	00:30:03
	Advisory Commission and cash will be leading the the conversation.	00:30:09
	And so digging a little bit deeper into some of the comments we received at the Town Hall on Mill Rd. What we'll then do is take	00:30:17
	all those comments where you see from the Bicycle Advisory Commission and from those residents.	00:30:22
	Over, you know, the 10 seconds that you can get through this tree a little faster.	00:30:59
	So it'll it'll it'll be kind of cool. So we'll take those and we'll most likely be doing a a work session with the the Planning	00:31:06
	Commission soon or not. And and with that we will also be continuing these neighborhood events, these town halls we've kind of	00:31:12
	divided the city up into to similar neighborhoods and we'll be doing those I think once a month, once every other month or	00:31:19
	something like that. So just keep an eye out for, for probably social media posts when we'll be coming to a neighborhood near you.	00:31:26
	Very good. And then did you want to update on the?	00:31:33
	Oh yeah, sure. So David, so yeah, this last week I was able to go to Davis, CA. I went with Kaden, the Bicycle Advisory Commission	00:31:37
	and we toured Davis, CA which is it was like the first platinum rated bicycle friendly city.	00:31:45
	And college. The UC Davis is there, so we were able to to rent some bikes from the university there and we went with the Wasatch	00:31:54
	Regional, Wasatch Front Regional Council and MAG. There's a group of about 25 of us and we we wrote probably 30 miles and a day	00:32:00
	and a half, just around campus, around the city.	00:32:06
	Just got to see how they're kind of their networks combined because there are two different entities with the university and the	00:32:12
	city.	00:32:16
	It is really eye opening experience to see all of the infrastructure they they've put in place, but it's also.	00:32:20
	Helped me realize that bicycle infrastructure doesn't have to be expensive. You know, there's a lot of stuff that they just, you	00:32:26
	know, put paint on the road and and it solves a lot of issues.	00:32:30
	It also helps that the commun.	00:32:35
	Bicycle friendly and and they they understand that they're bicycle city. So even cars are more cautious towards towards bicyclists	00:32:37
	and it'll it'll be cool just to see how we can incorporate some of these ideas when UVU starts developing. Similarly we'll have a	00:32:44
	relationship with them of college students coming and going and you know we can encourage students to bring a bike instead of a	00:32:51
	car to campus that'll you know make everybody happier but you know we need as a city need to provide.	00:32:57
	Safe ways for them to be able to get from campus to.	00:33:05
	You know, to restaurants, to schools, to whatever it may be, to housing. So, yeah, well, Kaden and I, I think we'll be doing the	00:33:08
	presentation to the City Council sometime in the near future. It might even be the Planning Commission. But we have some cool	00:33:14
	slides and data from UC Davis that we'll share.	00:33:19
	So overall it was a it was a good time. It was quick. We flew in Monday morning at like 7:00 AM and flew home Tuesday by 8:00 PM.	00:33:26
	He played a lot of board games, so if you only like an hour and a half, you guys ever going to a planning conference with cask, he	00:33:37
	loves board games. So so you know.	00:33:42
	Excellent. Yep. Thank you. Thankful. OK. Umm.	00:33:46
	And we. Look, look, I have an English degree. I'm going to use my words. I paid money for that anyway. OK, Well, if that's it for	00:33:52
	everybody, the meeting is adjourned and we'll see you in two weeks.	00:33:59