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  • Vice- Chair Tay Gudmundson called the meeting to order at04 pm and led the pledge of allegiance.        OPEN SESSION –
  • There were no public comments.  
  • MEETING MINUTES1.  May23
  • MOTION: Anthony Jenkins made a motion to approve the May23 meeting minutes. Graden Oster seconded the motion. Those voting aye: Anthony Jenkins, Tay Gudmundson, and Graden Ostler. The motion passed unanimously.  
  • BUSINESS ITEMS1.  Site Plan Amendment – Lot Buildings A, B, and C at Eastlake at Geneva
  • Cache Hancey, Planner, gave a presentation on the Site Plan Amendment. Vineyard Properties of Utah requested approval to remove architectural elements such as roof trims, awnings, endcaps, and concrete parapets, from the previously approved site plan. A discussion on the copper caps ensued. Brett Wood, with Fincon construction, came forward and answered this change was not made in a previous meeting. He stated that the owner was not in favor of the copper caps. Brett Wood stated he is requesting removal of the caps and eves but keeping the awnings. There was a discussion concerning the precedent that approving the project would set.
  • Tay Gudmundson called for a motion. There was a discussion on clarifying the code.
  • MOTION: Anthony Jenkins made a motion to approve the site plan amendment insuring that the awnings will be installed. Graden Ostler seconded the motion.  Those voting aye: Anthony Jenkins, Tay Gudmundson, and Graden Ostler. The motion passed unanimously.
  • There was a discussion regarding Building C. It has not yet been reviewed by staff and was not included as part of the staff report.             WORKSESSION5.1.   There were no work sessions.             TRAINING SESSION6.1.  There were no training session.             COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSIONDISCLOSURE7.1.
  • Anthony Jenkins reported on the events of Bike Month.2.
  • Morgan Brim introduced new planner, Anthony Fletcher.3.
  • Naseem shared on the progress of several projects to create safer walking routes.              ADJOURNMENT
  • Tay Gudmundson adjourned the meeting at30 pm.   Minutes Certified correct on:June23   NOTICED BY:   Rachel Stevens, Planner
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Welcome to bank mission, we will start with. 00:00:15
But did you sign in between? Let's do the Pledge of Allegiance. Green is going to lead us in flesh. 00:00:22
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:28
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:36
Excellent. 00:00:48
They don't seem to have members of the general public. You guys are here for the. 00:00:51
The item. 00:00:55
OK, so we can move on to #3? 00:00:58
Minutes from last week. Do I Have anyone moved for approval? 00:01:02
Yeah, I had a chance to review those and I make a motion to approve the minutes from May 3rd, 2023. 00:01:06
And a second. 00:01:12
I can you second that, yes. 00:01:15
I second that. All right, all in favor, aye. 00:01:19
All right. We'll move on to business items to 4.1 site plan amendment for Lot B buildings AB and C at Eastlake at Geneva. Does 00:01:23
that have? 00:01:29
Presentation. Yes, I will be doing just a quick presentation here. 00:01:37
And we do have the applicant here as well if you guys have any questions for them. So just. 00:01:42
That's attractive. 00:01:48
Yeah. 00:01:51
It's louder. 00:01:56
This one still launched. All right, we'll just go from here. 00:02:02
OK. A little background on this project. So this is Geneva. 00:02:09
I can give you a map if you want to see the actual occasion, but it's right by the power plant. The applicant is Utah putting 00:02:15
parts of snow. So they have, they originally set submitted for a site plan approval for four warehouse buildings to be built on 00:02:22
that block. And they've got two of those buildings built so far and they've made some changes throughout the construction. So I 00:02:29
found a month ago or so they came back. 00:02:36
Mission with a revision on the paint on the color of this building and the Planning Commission voted to approve two album to 00:02:44
change that color to the the blue that was painted. But it did not address some of the aesthetic architectural features on the 00:02:50
building. And I can Scroll down for those to show you. So originally you see you have a degree building with green banding and the 00:02:57
copper caps right here. 00:03:03
And then this is what has been built and this is what they are requesting the site plan. 00:03:10
Modification for each for all the buildings that they would remove those copper caps. 00:03:16
All the other day they wouldn't ever be installed. So this is the new site plan that has been submitted for the buildings and that 00:03:22
they are approval on. 00:03:26
And from that I can, if you have any questions, we can have Chris come up and address those. 00:03:34
Just to make sure. 00:03:41
It's clear what is being asked. 00:03:43
We've already approved everything. 00:03:46
They just don't want to put the copper caps on. 00:03:49
Each of the four buildings that have that as part of the approval. So during that last Planning Commission meeting where he did 00:03:56
approve the color change, it was part of the conditional approval that they still do the copper capacity they wanted for those. 00:04:02
But now they've changed. They just want to move them all together so they they know that they don't need them to be staff. We feel 00:04:09
that the buildings do need the code. 00:04:15
In terms of the the industrial zone here. 00:04:22
You know, we aren't looking for the most elegant building to see folks out there, but we feel that these these need the design 00:04:25
standards that they look at equipped for the area and they need to go on everything else. So it was landscaping, parking and work 00:04:32
on. I wasn't at that meeting, I think. Do you remember any strong feelings about the copper caps? Well, yeah. And we may get into 00:04:39
this. It wasn't necessarily about the copper caps. It was, are you building what you said you would build? 00:04:46
And. 00:04:55
I think that's where the concern was. Like the end result may be fine, it's just. 00:04:56
You know, if you approve something, get it amended, it's approved again and then you're removing features. I think that's where 00:05:01
the the concern is. I don't think anyone is like. 00:05:06
******** on, you know, copper end caps necessarily it's more the spirit of when we approve a site plan, that's what we expect to 00:05:12
see without any changes. And this will be the this will be the the if you include the first one, this will be the third, third 00:05:17
time. 00:05:22
People could kind of build whatever they want and then come back, but. Or yeah, at this point. 00:05:30
And yeah, the other thing would be. 00:05:36
You know, understand that, you know, fewer features is probably a cost savings measure as well. And you know, some of these things 00:05:39
are required for a reason, not to necessarily be a possible burden on the developers, but rather to add to the aesthetic. And so 00:05:46
the idea would be, in my opinion, what you need to do is say, well, if this meets the. 00:05:52
Need of the area. Why are we requiring things that don't meet the need of the area or might not be there so. 00:05:59
My recommendation with this stuff, and we can go into a little bit deeper is like. 00:06:06
How do we avoid this kind of stuff in the future? And if we're required, if we're asking or requiring things in the code that we 00:06:10
don't care about, let's clean it up. 00:06:14
What I would recommend and Rachel is working on. 00:06:19
Is to have more specificity and so I think in the industrial district like having good industrial standards river buildings like 00:06:23
we as a city we should exercise to have have an action book and if I have fun place to. 00:06:31
Our standards aren't let's superplay. They're not. They're not necessarily the form based code that's going to delineate the 00:06:43
exact. 00:06:48
Requirements Architecture requirements. 00:06:54
Breaking up? 00:07:00
So provides some distraction for the Planning Commission to make the transition. 00:07:02
The design means that threshold or not. 00:07:08
So this is one of those things where it is. 00:07:10
Up to the Planning Commission, you know, we we would like for applicants to come in with the design that they intend to. It is 00:07:14
honestly and it's not pressuring the city and we understand that there are some cost ramifications. So you just have to put away 00:07:21
that you know and ultimately do you feel that this needs kind of. 00:07:27
And another question would be. 00:07:39
Why didn't we address this on March 1st? 00:07:41
Get another meeting. 00:07:46
OK, I mean if one of you wanted to answer. 00:07:51
Those two questions like why this was a talked about in their last meeting about it and then also. 00:07:54
If you want to. 00:08:03
We're wondering what changed and also. 00:08:07
I guess we can proceed today. 00:08:14
Yeah, that's what we want to do is kind of eliminate it. 00:08:16
Oh, Brentwood. 00:08:21
Yeah, we'd like to eliminate the caps on top, but we kind of went back. They were kind of designed without the owner knowing what 00:08:27
was going on. So once he kind of seen it and we got to it, he's like, it doesn't match anything even close down there. It makes 00:08:34
it, you know, it makes it look out of place. 00:08:42
Everything down there's got straight lines. 00:08:50
You know, we, we got some jobs in the roof lines, but as far as putting the caps on they all another big problem is, is they all 00:08:53
drain snow, water ice right on all the entryways. So, so. 00:09:02
And we he doesn't like the idea to happen to cut the roof back over. 00:09:13
You know, we got to peel the whole roof back. 00:09:17
We're not sure as far as the structural part, what's got to be done to hold them up there also great. 00:09:20
And. 00:09:28
I kind of got it. He kind of got a new property manager and then we. 00:09:30
We kind of got the plans after. Usually we're a big part of the planning. This time we was not. And by the time it got through you 00:09:37
guys. 00:09:41
And we've seen it. We. 00:09:46
The mistake was made. 00:09:49
OK. 00:09:53
We took we took pictures of all the other buildings down there. 00:09:56
We've probably built a good share of them great and we haven't had anything that's had something like that on it. 00:10:00
Nor is there anything down there that's even close to it so. 00:10:09
Like I said, we go back through their building standards and their codes and we've kind of fought back and forth on this forever. 00:10:13
We like the awnings. I think we would like to put the awnings on it, but as far as as far as them. 00:10:20
Them talks on them, they're just, there's a lot of problems with, you know. 00:10:28
Yeah, that makes sense. And I agree that the copper tops don't really match what's built here. They match what was originally 00:10:34
proposed and what was built is not what was originally proposed. And so now it would be. 00:10:40
And then relating to like the rest of the warehouse district. 00:10:46
You know, it's not always just a match. Everything that's around. Sometimes there's code changes to bump up the quality and the 00:10:51
aesthetic in the area versus just saying, hey, that's what it looks like 20 years ago to keep building stuff that looks the same. 00:10:57
So that's that's the only disappointing thing in my mind with this is. 00:11:03
You know, it's always best to say what's the code? Let's submit something first. Let's build what what was submitted. 00:11:09
Yeah, I understand some of the story. And we've had, we've had that. We're on another project across the street and we submit it 00:11:17
and they don't like the look of it. It's a steel building. It looks like the rest of the steel buildings down there. And then we 00:11:24
end up having to go back to planning. You know, it took us four to six months to get just through planning. 00:11:32
I mean, we know we've got some issues we built down there for the last 10 years and never ran in into a brick wall like we have on 00:11:40
these last projects. We just would like to get her straight down. 00:11:47
You know, going through the code and analysts and so you know, I mean we did we could rehash that the history is not much what we 00:11:57
want, but. 00:12:02
You know it takes a long time. Yes, you know it's. 00:12:08
So, you know, I mean, that's that's my my suggestion is by moving forward, if the the Planning Commission wants their details, 00:12:15
information that that we want people to do like we could have more of a higher than somebody's code. You start articulating 00:12:22
specifically in the code of the hyper technical truth that we want, you know, exercise. 00:12:29
Yeah. And I think this is honestly this is a, I would say a lower risk area, right? Like it's not the heart and soul of the city 00:12:40
necessarily with, you know, someone going to say the way things work. But I'm, I am concerned about the process of the precedent, 00:12:45
especially as, you know, downtown comes in those types of things which, you know, wouldn't necessarily impact that these talks at 00:12:51
all. But just the idea of, you know, we've got the code. 00:12:56
Site plans approved. I would. 00:13:03
Never want to see anything built that wasn't what said was built. And then we retroactively like, I guess it's there already. So 00:13:05
we're OK with it. You're not saying that they are strong arming in any way on this. But like that, that's my fear is that, you 00:13:11
know, if we become a city where it's like, tell them what they're going to build, build whatever you want and then they'll be 00:13:16
like, that's OK, you know, close enough. So again, I'm not saying that that's what happened here, but that that's that's my 00:13:21
primary concern with. 00:13:27
Anything like this going forward or any precedent? I said. 00:13:33
And everybody we've talked to interprets what's in your code a little different, you know? 00:13:35
It seems like we're dealing with different people every time we turn us up plans in. Not you guys just have a big turnover. I 00:13:44
mean, nobody seems to stay in place for too long. Seems like you just get comfortable with somebody and then and then they move 00:13:50
on. Yeah. You know. 00:13:56
Especially in town. 00:14:05
Um, so. 00:14:07
When you again? I wasn't here last time. What's the the approval to change the? 00:14:10
Outside like. 00:14:18
Still on there? 00:14:31
Yeah. 00:14:36
The awnings I feel like are. 00:14:38
Something we should keep in there. 00:14:42
Yes, I think that the caps, if we could get, if we could get away with not putting the caps on and. 00:14:45
Probably it shows a little bit of ethos up there, some like crown molding where the cats were I. 00:14:52
I don't know that that you know. 00:15:00
Is something that. 00:15:03
It's going to look kind of weird with without the cats. I think it looked better with just the straight lines and. 00:15:05
And kind of a cleaner look. I don't know, that looks like a Chinese. 00:15:12
Yeah. 00:15:17
Yeah, it would be nice to have a Chinese restaurant down there, but. 00:15:22
They just click right and remove that cap as well as this one. Crap. 00:15:26
Yeah, it would look more like go back. 00:15:31
But to be clear, it's already built. 00:15:36
That's what I want to. That's what I'm getting at here is it's kind of like backing into this where it's like. 00:15:40
Here's what we said we're going to build. We actually built this. Can we change it to approve what we already built? Pretty 00:15:45
pleased for the third time. Like that's what I that's what I'm worried about and like. 00:15:50
I don't enjoy it. 00:15:57
And I get like, yeah, you don't want to structurally change it or RIP the roof open again. But yeah. And most of this is, is just 00:15:59
architectural change. I mean, nothing, nothing is, is structural to add it, you know, then it becomes, it becomes more structural. 00:16:06
But I don't, I just didn't have it. It doesn't flow. 00:16:14
Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, this one is, is what it is, I guess. I mean, like, yeah, it would look probably even worse if you threw a 00:16:23
copper cap on the end of something like that just because the coach said, but like. 00:16:29
One, if this came back again for another side amendment, I would like. 00:16:37
Bulldoze it, let's start over. Something like that. But like it's just moving forward. So I think it's on Usher's Planning 00:16:44
Commission and staff to just say, you know, if we've got, if there's things that are unclear, let's clarify them because we want 00:16:49
to be easy to work with. It's not worth anyone's time to go back and forth too much. And I'm not saying it, it's not our fault. 00:16:55
Also, next time we need to look to the plans a little different. 00:17:00
That's why we've kind of switched architects and went in a little more modern, different direction on the next building. 00:17:06
So that is, that's probably where we're at on the next one. 00:17:13
Is getting the approval because when that was submitted it was all four buildings and they all looked identical. 00:17:17
And then are the awnings on there right now as well? So that would be the only thing that would need to be. 00:17:27
Yeah, I don't have any other questions. The earnings I feel are important for the pedestrian drafting. 00:17:37
For workers going. 00:17:45
So that. 00:17:47
Is a must OK, Do we? 00:17:51
Have any more questions? 00:17:55
OK, I. 00:17:59
Do we have? 00:18:02
Do you have? Do you have any other comments that you want to make? 00:18:07
But yeah, we we should look into creating. 00:18:13
Green but for it got to this point so, so we're looking our processes as well. We do operations inspections that we can try to 00:18:22
flag this kind of stuff down earlier. Same thing in our pre construction meetings with these. 00:18:29
Villages, we're going to say this is what you submitted, this is what if you want to see, this is what we built actually. So where 00:18:37
we're going to make sure that that we could have in with that preconstruction meeting before anything, any dose moves, don't know 00:18:44
what speed build. Yeah, it would help the overfinding the code like you were talking about. I like the idea of the hybrid one with 00:18:51
the specifics included. That is something that I think Rachel is working on. This is tweaking that close quite a bit. 00:18:58
Some people have acute sometimes I think we have kind of a problem with the portal too, you know, we. 00:19:06
We were going to change the colors way back. We submitted, you know, new drawings for you guys to look at and nobody ever looked 00:19:13
at them. Drugs. We're also looking at getting Portal 112 because there are communication. 00:19:20
That helps clarify it a number of things on this OK. 00:19:29
All right. If that's it for questions, do we have? 00:19:35
What do you call it? 00:19:39
And those to approve the Lot 5 site plan amendment application as presented by staff and also ensuring that awnings will be 00:19:44
installed and that we never see the site plan again. 00:19:49
We're going to have a second. A second, all right. 00:19:57
All in favor, aye? 00:20:03
All right. How about our other buildings? Now I know we had that one had the thoughts on it as far as. 00:20:05
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not allowed to tell you. 00:20:17
Yeah, it should have been tied in with this one. 00:20:23
That was not part of the people of I just noticed that they just met a Yeah, because we submitted a set of plans, but God. 00:20:26
A month ago. 00:20:36
Ability. See. Yeah, we're talking. 00:20:37
Building season on long 5 we only. 00:20:43
Now I know when I talked to. 00:20:47
Brian, is that his name? 00:20:49
That that was supposed to be tied in with this planet. 00:20:51
I did not see any building see and staff reports buildings AB and C Oh, I see W elevation building C. That one nearly proposed 00:20:56
elevations with overbuilding end caps. 00:21:03
So I've got it on. 00:21:14
The one that you sent out, I think, yeah. 00:21:16
Originally approved elevations. 00:21:21
So this is the. 00:21:24
15,000 so. 00:21:31
Yeah, I'm looking forward. Right now I have my girlfriend. 00:21:36
No, I've got it in that report too. OK, so it's. 00:21:45
The same site and it's the building you wanted to match the other ones. 00:21:49
And is it already built? 00:21:59
It is, yeah. Like I said, we submitted about a month ago and then they, I think Brian sent back this Lock 5 that showed all four 00:22:08
buildings in there. 00:22:14
And we we wanted to change the the look now before it got to the. 00:22:21
We're about 5. 00:22:27
It it looks like that that application has not been reviewed by Crime yet. 00:22:31
I just pulled it up here, it hasn't been gone through our intake process yet. 00:22:38
Taking photos this is. 00:22:45
This is the building that they are OK. Yeah, I do not have that. This is not the agenda. 00:22:49
On the agenda? 00:22:57
So without the information, so there was also confusion with the site because they originally had AD and C&D and then they've gone 00:23:04
back and got rid of A, so now they're BC and C, but they. 00:23:10
'VE C So this the building that we just talked about with Bluish building, yeah. 00:23:19
Building that was building. 00:23:24
B/C OK originally it was originally season when they said building seeds referring to. 00:23:26
That building we kind of wanted addresses and we've got. 00:23:35
So you're telling me I get to see the site plan again? Is that what you're saying? 00:23:43
The answer is. 00:23:50
No, I'm kidding. 00:23:53
Yeah, I'll defer to staff on it. 00:23:57
Because I don't have any information on that. When I when I got Brian, that was all supposed to go on this. That's the reason we 00:23:59
haven't heard anything on that planes. Like I said, they they sat in the city for for over a month. 00:24:05
But to your point, this is maybe similar to, you know, the color change request. 00:24:14
So the agenda does say AB and C. 00:24:20
But is it their new interpretation of what AB and C there has to be? 00:24:25
We we didn't have that building fee on here, the new building seat, the elevations on the agenda. 00:24:35
I mean. 00:24:45
From the legal standpoint for Leanne. 00:24:48
I mean, if staff feels confident that this has been looked over by the city. 00:24:54
And is ready for us to see it then I'm looking seeing it but. 00:25:14
I haven't done any. The other thing we did have them turn over with Brian leaving. He's the one who was the original staff that 00:25:21
that oversaw this application. He's 1. He actually put together the staff, staff report. And so I, I don't know what has been 00:25:29
reviewed by him or not did not include these elevations in there, but this is what they did include. 00:25:36
Yeah, it's gonna have to be a second place. 00:25:46
Yeah. 00:25:49
OK, so now we have to wait another month. 00:25:58
5-2 weeks. 00:26:02
So see this is this is kind of the bottleneck we get. Actually it would be 3 weeks because. 00:26:06
The 7th of June is our next meeting. Yeah, but yeah, understood, understood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see there's a little 00:26:13
frustrating. It is frustrating. So we have to resubmit anything or we just have to wait for you guys to do your stuff. Your 00:26:19
application should be it's, it's been submitted. So we just need to do the intake on our end. We'll do a review, get you back in 00:26:24
comments that maybe this building doesn't be code. Like I said, I have not done a review, so I don't know. How long does the 00:26:29
review take. 00:26:35
Not long. 00:26:41
Not long now or not long will it will it should be able to get it. Will it be ready for June 7th? I think that's interesting, 00:26:44
yeah. 00:26:48
Which is when again. 00:26:54
June 7 And yeah, I mean, obviously I don't think anyone is going to say like any of this process has been ideal. It sounds like. 00:26:58
So like, let's let's figure out what we can learn from to yeah. 00:27:03
You know, but it seems like it's been so tough. 00:27:10
Yeah, you should not be so tough to get through. The building department was the top part. Planning and zoning seemed to sail 00:27:16
right through Now buildings easy right against the wall. Some of those growing paintings, like you're trying to establish new and 00:27:24
better processes that there's always a hiccup somewhere. I'm sorry that's hitting you guys so hard. 00:27:31
We appreciate that so. 00:27:42
What we approved today, just for clarity, for the record then, is for what is now being termed Buildings A&B, correct? Building C 00:27:46
will take up on June 7th. We'll clear on that then and you've got what you need from them for Building C, we'll we'll be in 00:27:52
contact. 00:27:58
And that one hasn't gone vertical yet. And then? 00:28:08
We are waiting and that way it can be public information and we can look at it ahead of time and give you accurate feedback. 00:28:14
Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you so much. 00:28:23
So. 00:28:30
Moving on to work session. Doesn't look like there's anything there. 00:28:32
No, no training. No surprise training school. 00:28:37
And then Commission member reports and expert discussion. Do we have anything from Commission? Just with it being bike month? I'm 00:28:41
also on the bike committee or Commission and there's a bike ride that anyone's invited to on. 00:28:49
On Saturday at 9:00 AM at Grove Park, despite what the various things on. 00:28:58
Our emails say so. I talked to Anna about getting some of the information corrected and Facebook events made so that I haven't 00:29:05
seen any anything out there yet. I thought that's the big one. And then there's also a bike summit and a Move Utah summit that are 00:29:11
coming up over the next couple of weeks to kind of talk about urban planning, trail integration, all that kind of stuff. OK, cool. 00:29:18
Thank you. 00:29:24
Graydon, do you have any? 00:29:32
I don't. 00:29:34
Right. OK. Staff, is there anything you would like to report to us? 00:29:35
I'd like to, yeah. 00:29:41
That's right. 00:29:46
Great winner and he's done some international planning and Yana, Togo and Sierra Leone, it's over. Happy to have this. 00:29:49
Is that actually expertise? Do you have anything you want? 00:29:59
Well, happy to be part of the scene just to actually it was kind of total working out for so that including OK. 00:30:04
Yeah. 00:30:15
Very cool. It's Anthony, right? 00:30:18
My name is Brandon, and anyway, where do you live? 00:30:22
OK, cool, cool. 00:30:29
And welcome. 00:30:31
OK, all right. Well, that's it then. Meeting is adjourned. Are you saying goodbye or you want to say something? 00:30:33
We're listening. 00:30:45
Just get on the scene. 00:30:48
So. 00:30:51
As you tell the OR if you have any hotel the contractor important asphalt today over at the curriculum discovery Elementary as 00:30:52
well as the video elementary by there we did some. 00:31:02
As the Planning Commissioner, I talked about the. 00:31:12
Yeah, the roads there are people. That's improvements we've been working on as well. The pedestrian improvement specifically is 00:31:16
about the Vineyard Elementary where we did the pump house to. 00:31:22
Develop house to provide more short almost distorted walk crossing distance for pedestrians for protection. In essence endeavour 00:31:29
moving the stops the crosswalk being moved across further north because it's hard and that's the way should have been done as well 00:31:36
with and then we go to the South side there. So when cars grows they'll be able to have fair visibility for the South. The more 00:31:43
importantly when they take a right hand turn they're not going to turn it into people. 00:31:50
You're not going to be turning into. 00:31:58
Crossing SO. 00:32:02
Want to just give you an update that we reported asphalt today. Are they restriping too? Because it's really wide and I don't 00:32:03
know. 00:32:07
They're driving contractor is getting his ducks in a row. I asked her a few questions. He asked us, OK, do we want we want green, 00:32:13
yellow for the cross boxes. We did talk about the last season, going on the season about doing something that blinks out after 00:32:21
school crossings. I said go ahead and create it. But what we're going to do is just to. 00:32:29
Kind of confirm that the whole thing is going to be a big green solid thing because what I've done there will be unfortunately, 00:32:38
unfortunately, unfortunately that there's for the painting. We want to make sure that he's without frictional properties. Onto the 00:32:43
******* so far trying to stop. 00:32:48
On the hypothetical that is valuable to have stopping time, I think technically I think it is one that fast. I won't be able to 00:32:54
sometimes. However, we're trying to be cautious on that. We're going to be testing out to see how things go. It turns out great. 00:33:02
I'm happy more, but if it doesn't turn out it's a little expected. There's no I don't have, I don't. 00:33:10
I'm OK to take a step backwards as well. So I mean if you don't find any things out there, find out those things and then that 00:33:19
crosswalk, the crosswalk should be good crosswalk strategic for the new pedestrian maps that we've done in particular Grove Park, 00:33:26
Center St. of the Grove we've brought I believe I can't remember if I did and I was where we just pedestrian refugees at Center 00:33:34
St. about that trail. We've also been discussing about the possible. 00:33:41
I've proved it at 600 N. 00:33:51
Perfect to pedestrians across these buses. 00:33:53
This is a short term improvement. They want to improve. It will come after we have transportation going back. So we've got to give 00:33:59
everyone a heads up about the awesomeness, awesomeness that things are going on. We'll be seeing some foreclosures along the Lake 00:34:03
Rd. 00:34:07
They state, and I don't believe I was able to do it, is my fault. We're doing a warranty tour. 00:34:13
Monday when I say we need to talk. 00:34:24
Association is that being said I'll insurance Morgan has the invite a certain daytime where at 11:30. 00:34:29
Four to you Planning Commission that you're welcome to come they see all the options awesomeness. 00:34:41
Awesome things are happening over there as well. 00:34:48
Awesome. 00:34:52
Please take a look. 00:34:58
Also, what canvas or what could be your future girl? 00:35:06
In three weeks. 00:35:18
When you asked about. 00:35:22
Unfortunately, but you leaving this too. Definitely not. Definitely not as awesome as out. 00:35:25
However, this holiday, sure, and instead of becoming, he's still coming on board and representing engineering. 00:35:38
So you'll be around, you're just going to have a little bit less to do. 00:35:48
We're gonna put that in quotation marks. 00:35:54
Everything planning. 00:36:06
Transportation, yeah. 00:36:09
Question for you, so quick question. 00:36:13
I'm leading the bike tour vineyard on Saturday. Will the trail that goes underneath to the train station be open? 00:36:19
And unfortunately, the contract has been held up with some other. 00:36:31
Estimate on that. We're pushing for the beginning here. 00:36:38
Service and stuff. And then the other one on the 400 S with that bulb out. The reason I was asking about the painted lines is I 00:36:43
just want to make sure that if you're writing from West to east on 400 S in the road, you know, like in a bike lane, that the bulb 00:36:51
out's not causing you to have to jump into traffic and then back out and it's a pinch point there. 00:36:59
Fore South of Slaker Ridge. 00:37:10
One one of the purposes and here the other purpose. Here anyone watching on TV wants to hear. 00:37:12
There what we're doing with this, Yeah, but as far as as far as the width of the lane. 00:37:19
So so the bike can keep going completely straight without having to swerve and go into the car path. 00:37:28
OK, let's bring one up to the other. Yeah. OK. Maybe I'll ask one more day. I went by there today. I was just curious about it, so 00:37:37
OK. 00:37:42
Quick question, and I'm not sure if it's appropriate here, but I remember hearing about a sidewalk. 00:37:48
Span the whole length of. 00:37:56
Vineyard Connector. 00:37:58
Is that an idea still? 00:38:00
When when does that? 00:38:11
So I know for sure it's OK one side of the road and then I know we've been talking about playing on both sides, especially with 00:38:14
how long you got projecting the widening of the bigger exceptions to be. 00:38:20
I believe that one God saw well because we're there's a discussion of whether there's a betterment that he's paying for or whether 00:38:27
it's an E dot. 00:38:31
Paid for. 00:38:36
So it's on a table and maybe it'll be done this year well. 00:38:43
With the major connector. 00:38:48
But I know we talked about this year for both sides of the road. 00:38:53
Because I believe I. 00:38:56
You got it again, this is all my financial objections. 00:38:59
Is expected. 00:39:04
And that's a stable approval? 00:39:09
OK, OK. That's all. The meeting is adjourned. 00:39:15