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But I am calling on every elected official and member of staff, those appointed here today, but also residents as well, to step up 00:00:01
when it comes to safety. 00:00:05
If that means putting your phone away when you're driving. 00:00:10
If that means speaking up and notifying the city of dangerous areas, do it. 00:00:14
If that means pushing back on plans that you think are unsafe by design, do it. 00:00:20
The city is only as good as it is safe. It doesn't matter what amenities we have here if it's not safe for us to enjoy and think 00:00:27
about a lot of our population. 00:00:31
Is extremely young. Can't. 00:00:36
And we need to design the city for the most vulnerable. And sometimes that can be on both ends of the age spectrum. But it's a 00:00:41
very young city, and we need to make sure that we're OK with, you know, if we're not, if we're not OK with our children biking 00:00:46
from one end of the city to the other, it's because we designed it that way. 00:00:51
If we're not OK with. 00:00:57
You know, your grandma crossing the street at night. It's because we designed it that way and we've got opportunities to make it 00:01:00
better so. 00:01:03
Just calling on everyone to find ways to step up, however small or big your role may be. 00:01:07
And to keep that in mind, because nothing really matters if we're not safe here. 00:01:12
So with that, I'll say an opening pair, and then we'll do a Pledge of Allegiance. 00:01:17
Our Father in Heaven, we thank thee for the opportunity to gather together as a Planning Commission and as residents and staff 00:01:22
here in the city, we pray. 00:01:26
Guidance to know what's best for the city and also to keep safety a top priority. Please help us to be compassionate to. 00:01:30
All members of the of our community and that we. 00:01:38
Uh. 00:01:41
Be a reason why they like to be a part of this? 00:01:42
We say this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:01:45
All right, I'll stand. 00:01:48
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:01:52
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:56
One Nation under. 00:01:59
Indivisible with liberty and justice for. 00:02:02
All right. Thank you, Anthony. All right, we'll move into an open session. This is a time to make public comments for something 00:02:08
that is not on the agenda. If you would come up, state your name, just take a couple of minutes. If you have any questions, I'll 00:02:12
write down your questions and we'll go from there. 00:02:17
Sorry. 00:02:24
Thank you, Anthony, for those. 00:02:27
I too I am. I cannot ride, sorry. Can you just state your name for the record? 00:02:31
Vineyard resident, thank you. 00:02:36
I can't ride on the street anymore. I'm getting scared riding on the street myself in the full bike line. I'm riding on the 00:02:39
sidewalk. 00:02:42
Most of the time now, so I appreciate that we really all need to. 00:02:45
I just. 00:02:51
Ask Bryce. Last week at council meeting I had a. 00:02:53
Hearing. 00:02:57
Stating your concern about the parking that it's going to be. 00:02:58
Presented in the Planning Commission for this new development. 00:03:05
I'd like you to restate that and then I have a couple questions about one of the slides. 00:03:10
I'd like some clarification if I can ask that question. OK. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll open it up later for with the stuff on the 00:03:16
agenda. Alright. Thank you very much. Yep. 00:03:20
Harry Braxton, resident. I had a question about 300 W heading. 00:03:33
Is it? 00:03:40
Become an actual exit entrance for this. 00:03:41
Lake. 00:03:47
Area, or is it going to connect into this new development in any way or because the maps I've seen Don? 00:03:48
Show it and you ride up there and you don't see any evidence of it. Yeah, I can explain that to you. Did you have any other 00:03:58
questions or? 00:04:01
Well, there was one on parking 2.08 slots per. 00:04:06
Department. 00:04:11
If. 00:04:15
Residents are all there. Two cars? Where did guests park? 00:04:16
OK. I'll make sure I ask that when they give their presentation, OK. 00:04:21
Is there any other questions you had? OK, just real quick to answer your question about. 00:04:26
300 W. 00:04:32
That will come N the way it does now, and then turn over to the West, and then there will be a roundabout. 00:04:34
And then the roundabout can go up over the overpass that's being built, and that would go into the development there. But it will. 00:04:41
The Lake Rd. will also. 00:04:45
There will still be the Lake Rd. 00:04:50
Including the vineyard. 00:04:52
So 300 N will kind of do what it already does. Now how it goes forward and then makes that right turn. 00:04:54
And then right. 00:05:01
Correct. 00:05:05
Is. 00:05:06
Sorry, you're gonna have to sorry, I mean. 00:05:07
Yeah. 00:05:10
Is Lake Rd. going to be improved in any way so that it's an actual Rd. that 22 cars can? 00:05:12
Safely travel alone. So I'll turn that to engineering, but yet yes, that that road will be improved. I think we're just doing the 00:05:20
construction process getting through all that and then there there will actually be a lot of improvements on that road. There will 00:05:26
be parking on the road. There will be all sorts as we clean up the beachfront, that whole area will be improved. 00:05:33
All. 00:05:41
Good. 00:05:41
Hi, David Larae resident. 00:05:50
Thank you for those comments, Anthony. That's pretty true. 00:05:53
That concerns have been raised about that corner for a long time and nothing's been done about it. Hopefully now something will 00:05:57
get done. 00:06:00
I understand that it takes working with you dot and with the city of Orem who actually owns I guess the road there for partly good 00:06:04
part of it. 00:06:08
And I'm not sure that we how much of the Vineyard City owns that corner? 00:06:12
At all, so and. 00:06:17
It's been difficult because. 00:06:20
We're not one of the owners so but something needs to happen. 00:06:23
So anyway. 00:06:28
Thank you. 00:06:30
My question was. 00:06:32
And I realized this is on the agenda, but I'm pretty sure I won't get a chance to stand. I'm actually gonna open it up later if 00:06:34
you want. OK. I will open it up. I'm looking at. I'm looking at the average size of an apartment. Mm-hmm. And they're like 500 00:06:38
square feet. 00:06:42
Ish. 00:06:47
And you know, 1 bedrooms and so forth. I have a two-bedroom apartment, an accessory dwelling unit, my home. 00:06:48
And it's 1200 square feet and I have two. 00:06:54
Single young man. 00:06:59
And. 00:07:00
I don't see if you, I don't see how people believe on top of each other. If you try to do more than I understand how how people 00:07:03
would be able to live in that and how they're going to market that and make that work. So I I would love to hear how they their 00:07:08
business plan to make that functional because I just don't think that's going to fly. Yeah, I'll make sure I ask. Thanks. Thanks, 00:07:12
David. 00:07:17
My name is Tyler Hilton. I live in Edgewater. 00:07:30
Want to? 00:07:34
Solutions to prevent the next. 00:07:37
Anthony talked about the death that happened on Monday. 00:07:43
About a year ago, a child was also. 00:07:46
At roughly the same location on the same Rd. 00:07:49
Crack. Their skull was bleeding out of three parts of their brain and. 00:07:53
Nothing has been done, or at least not enough has been done to. 00:07:58
Prevent this. 00:08:02
Halloween is the deadliest day for pedestrians, particularly children. 00:08:04
Of the year in October is the deadliest month of. 00:08:08
Consistently so with that coming. 00:08:13
I would like to get some action immediately. 00:08:16
Getting financing and getting manpower to. 00:08:21
Rebuild an entire St. 00:08:24
Repave concrete, if that's what we need to do, whatever needs to be done with those kind of more permanent things. 00:08:26
That just has to take time, but when we're talking about. 00:08:32
The manpower needed to put hay bales and construction cones out there in the immediate term, I mean. 00:08:36
We have the bandpower. 00:08:43
Doesn't require much funds if you guys are having a problem with that. 00:08:46
I'm happy to volunteer funds and manpower if you want, but I think it will mostly be legal problems. 00:08:50
Kind of procedural, I know. We don't have a ton of control over or from what I'm told, we don't have time to control over it, but. 00:08:56
All we have to do is convince other people in the positions of power who do have control to do it so. 00:09:05
The Orem City Council meeting is coming up on, I believe, October 24th. 00:09:11
And if we are really of the opinion. 00:09:17
We do not have the control to put out, just put out hay bales. 00:09:20
Construction cones immediately with like the end of the week. 00:09:26
If we really do not have the legal control, then I would like to see all four of you and. 00:09:30
The missing member of the Planning Commission at that meeting I'm going to be. 00:09:36
Like, I want you guys to chew their heads off until they do something. 00:09:42
Because the clock is ticking for the next person, and it's next to an elementary school. 00:09:46
And kids can't drive. 00:09:52
Statistically speaking, it's probably going to be a kid. 00:09:54
Who was hit or killed next? It's probably gonna be soon or October and next year, and it could be anybody at any point. 00:09:57
It's not good to have anybody. 00:10:05
All you got to do is convince people. 00:10:09
That's all you got? 00:10:12
And it's hard to convince people, but we need to act now because the clock is ticking for the next person. 00:10:14
So I hope you'll join me at their meeting and I hope you do whatever you can from your positions and talk to our council members. 00:10:22
To get them to do whatever they can their positions to prevent the next one. Thanks. 00:10:30
Any other comments from the? 00:10:37
All right, seeing as there are none, we will move into work session item 3.1, the site plan for the downtown blocks 8 and 14. 00:10:40
Is it a work session or a business item? It says that it's a work session on the agenda. 00:10:53
Sorry, just one second. 00:11:03
Yeah. It should be business item though, where we can take that right. And at the bottom of the paragraph it does say the Planning 00:11:08
Commission will take appropriate action. Do we just need to make sure that we? 00:11:12
Um. 00:11:16
Can actually make some sort of, you know, motion at the end of this. 00:11:17
OK. I'll get on to the presentation here for blocks 8 and 14. This is the same blocks that we did review 2 weeks ago. 00:11:27
And we do have Flagborough representatives from Flagborough here as well to answer any questions. 00:11:35
I also have members from their architecture team joining us here on teams. 00:11:41
So they can hopefully clarify any questions that you have. I'll be brief here in my presentation. This is just our staff review of 00:11:47
these two blocks and to give you guys a little bit more idea of the location and what these buildings look. 00:11:53
So what we're going to be going over tonight is blocks 8 and 14 of the. 00:11:59
This shows a context map as well as the two blocks. 00:12:04
And the related parking that are being reviewed? 00:12:08
So I'll start with Block 8. You can see that right here with the parking located to the east of it along Main St. 00:12:12
Here are some elevations. 00:12:20
These were once again the ones that we reviewed last. 00:12:23
And all of these will have the interior courtyards, And so that's the elevations shown here from the inside of the building, what 00:12:29
it will look like. 00:12:33
Here's Block 14 so you can see more parking off to the east as well as off to the north. 00:12:38
And the elevations for this building. 00:12:44
As well as the. 00:12:51
And then here is that same table from last time that goes over the number of units that are going to be built out as well as the 00:12:54
parking. So you can see in in both of the buildings they are providing adequate parking, It is this temporary parking. 00:13:00
But they are building over the required amount from the downtown code. 00:13:07
And then here are the conditional approval and this is my last slide. After this, we can turn it over to the Flag Bureau for any 00:13:13
questions that you guys may have. 00:13:16
So these are the three conditions. The first two are ones that we attached all of them that they're paying the outstanding fees or 00:13:20
making redline corrections. 00:13:24
That they are subject to all federal, state and local laws and then this. 00:13:28
Is a condition of approval that we're including because of the the downtown code requires, after 500 certificate certificates of 00:13:33
occupancy are issued, that a parking study needs to be done. 00:13:38
And the parking numbers will be adjusted for the downtown. According to that parking study, the first two blocks that are under 00:13:43
construction right now will bring them to, I think just over 450 units. 00:13:48
And so before these buildings are able to come online with certificates occupancy, we've put in a condition here that says prior 00:13:54
to any issuance of occupancy of any units and blocks 8 and 14, additional parking as required in the parking study shall be 00:13:59
provided. 00:14:04
A parking study shall be conducted 3 months following the certificate of occupancy of blocks 5:00 and 6:00. 00:14:09
If the parking study indicates that the larger amount of parking is needed to satisfy the demand of those. 00:14:15
Then the parking requirements of blocks 8 and 14 and future blocks shall be increased to meet the demand shown in the parking 00:14:20
study. 00:14:23
Any changes in parking shall require an amended site. 00:14:27
So with that, I can turn it over to Flagborough for any questions you guys may have. 00:14:31
Brunton, is there any slide that you may want me to go to? 00:14:40
Do you have the packets? 00:14:45
That we sent over uploaded. Those are probably the if you go to like the 8 and 14 we can just run through those it's. 00:14:48
Same slides, a couple of additional slides, just slides based on comments that were made. 00:14:56
Two weeks ago, maybe we can go over. 00:15:02
Slides that you saw last week, we can just kind of breeze through those. 00:15:05
If there's any questions that. 00:15:09
We sent over the bike plan that came. 00:15:12
In the last meeting we could start there actually. OK, I'll pull that up cash if you can find that. 00:15:16
And Anthony would just echo your same thought from earlier. We've been thinking a lot about that. 00:15:23
My wife and I talked about that and our hearts go out to the family. 00:15:31
It's a terrible. 00:15:35
OK, so this is this is the overall kind of circulation of. 00:15:40
Of Utah City. So starting with maybe the light blue line, that's the vineyard connector just to kind of get oriented. 00:15:46
To the right of the page is South, to the left is north. 00:15:55
You can see the train station labeled in that box there, so the. 00:15:59
You got the vineyard connector that comes through the yellow lines along the railroad and the yellow line along the lake. Those 00:16:03
are. 00:16:07
Multi use regional. 00:16:11
And then you're seeing the interior streets are colored like a darker blue. 00:16:14
And those are just the primary streets. 00:16:20
You see a. 00:16:24
Yeah, there's dedicated bike lanes on those on the darker blue streets. 00:16:27
And then? 00:16:34
The roadway that you see with a dashed. 00:16:36
Green line, that's. 00:16:40
The elevated separated bike lane. 00:16:42
That we've been showing in blocks 8 and 14. 00:16:46
And we can show sections of what those look like. 00:16:51
And then we also added in those larger circles are kind of The Walking radiuses. Those are about 5 minute walks. 00:16:54
And then the orange lines are the solid orange are Paseos or those pedestrian streets? 00:17:02
That are going through the blocks. Those are the ones that are already planned and. 00:17:09
That we've present. 00:17:15
8 and 14 are kind of. They're kind of in the center of that map. 00:17:19
And then all the dashed orange lines. 00:17:24
Are there proposed? 00:17:28
Or paseos that we've planned in the rest of the community. They just haven't been. 00:17:29
Yet. 00:17:36
And then? 00:17:38
Arrows are overpasses, so Bryce was talking about the one overpass. 00:17:40
Over the vineyard connector that the. 00:17:47
Promenade St. will go up and over. 00:17:51
The vineyard connector and tie in with 300. 00:17:54
I think that was one of those questions and. 00:17:58
300 W comes down around the promenade, hits around about like Bryce was saying, and then it runs. 00:18:02
North up to 1600. 00:18:08
Any questions on that? 00:18:15
Or we can. I can keep going to cash if you want to. 00:18:21
Yeah, while we're, while we're. 00:18:27
Then we don't have to go back and forth. Did you guys have any questions? 00:18:30
Yes, any What's the estimated lane count on the overpass? 00:18:37
Two vehicular lanes and then there's a bike lane. 00:18:42
Adjacent to that on the Northside of the bridge is like a large. 00:18:46
Like I think a 20 or 22 foot wide pedestrian. 00:18:51
So it connects both of the parks on the north side of the Promenade Rd. 00:18:55
So that side of the bridge is wider. 00:19:01
For the pedestrian. 00:19:04
There is pedestrian access on the South side of the bridge as well. 00:19:05
Yeah. 00:19:12
I mean one of the important things, Nate Hutchinson, one of the developers, one of the important things with the plan all along 00:19:13
was to connect. 00:19:17
I stood up too fast. I'm going to faint and they have a little bird pressure in it. Here we go. Happens all the time, so don't 00:19:20
worry. Under underneath the bridge and where where the trail is. We've made sure to tie all the trails of the southern part of the 00:19:26
community into the into Utah city and so. 00:19:32
One thing that's really important to us is being able to get people like we talked before, either walking or biking or on electric 00:19:39
bike or scooters into the community without having to cross. 00:19:44
Major roads. And so I think if you spin back to that other plan, one of the large parts of the bridge. 00:19:50
About half of the bridge is a pedestrian only. 00:19:57
And I think that was your question. You're referring to this one, that one here, yes. 00:20:01
Yeah, So and that that trail, the shoreline trail will come up and. 00:20:05
And it will be able to kind of tie back into this. 00:20:10
And we'll make sure that that is a very pedestrian friendly area. And then on the other side you have the underpass obviously that 00:20:13
goes under and that trail that's along the tracks runs all the way up. 00:20:18
And that's something we'd like to talk to the city about. That's probably not for this meeting, but improving that trail on the. 00:20:24
On the train side, against the tracks and making that a little bit better and maybe a little bit wider so that you can get more 00:20:33
options versus just walking or biking, maybe you could. 00:20:38
You know, there's some other ideas we have of maybe some golf carts and things. 00:20:43
Kind of going back and forth all the time so people can get over there and then get up into Utah City easily without having to get 00:20:48
in their car and. 00:20:52
But not having to bike or walk the whole distance, it's another concept and idea we'd like to explore. 00:20:57
Not tonight, though. 00:21:05
All right. Yeah. Do you want to jump over? 00:21:10
Let's see, are you on block eight? Yeah. So this shows both those blocks and that same St. network that. 00:21:16
That's actually to make the transition into the blocks we're looking at today. 00:21:24
On the right hand side. 00:21:29
Kind of the Peach ish color. 00:21:31
You see block 8 and 14. 00:21:34
Those are the two blocks we're looking at tonight. 00:21:37
And those are. 00:21:42
The main The primary street or bike way is the one that's going north. 00:21:44
And then the orangish color, that's one of the side streets. 00:21:49
And then the dashed lines are the paseos or those pedestrian streets running through those blocks. 00:21:54
Did you have any questions? Well, the only questions I was going to ask were basically reiterating some of the residents 00:22:11
questions. So I don't know when I get into that right now or. 00:22:16
Go through other plans, Yeah. Or did you want to go through anything else besides the bike planner? Yeah, we. 00:22:21
We can go through 8 and 14. Some of the people here maybe haven't seen them. We can just go through them really quick, yeah. 00:22:27
Oh, it's not displaying. 00:22:40
I know we've got Janet with Nelson online. 00:22:43
But I didn't see if. 00:22:47
If Evan or Lauren. 00:22:48
Evans here. Evans. 00:22:53
Lawrence. 00:22:55
Great. 00:22:57
And Brandon's here. Oh, Brandon Made. 00:22:58
Yep. So Janet and Evan are with Nelson. 00:23:02
The architectural team and then Brandon and Lauren are with Dig Studio, who's our landscape architect. 00:23:06
On. 00:23:13
And Evan, we did have a question. When we get to the elevations like the 2D elevations, I think we mislabeled. 00:23:15
I think we put South and West. 00:23:23
On all of them. 00:23:27
So when we get there. 00:23:30
Thought I got you an updated one. OK, yeah, you you may have gotten me an updated one, but I don't. I didn't. I don't think I got 00:23:32
it to cash in time. 00:23:36
OK. So I'll clarify any questions. OK. Thanks, Evan. 00:23:43
So this is where block 8 sits in the overall. 00:23:46
Utah City. 00:23:52
Here's the kind of the landscape rendering. 00:23:56
So this is showing a couple other buildings that we haven't brought forward yet, 10A and 13C. 00:23:59
We're still working on those plans, so those will come at a later date, but 8A and 14B? 00:24:05
You can see those in there. 00:24:11
This is the more detailed site plan of Block. 00:24:13
And then Evan here you can clarify if these are. 00:24:20
The correct labels on the elevations. 00:24:24
And actually, Evan, if you kind of want to walk through these elevations and kind of describe materials, that would be awesome. 00:24:27
Yeah, these are incorrectly labeled. The top one is actually the north elevation. 00:24:33
And the bottom one is the east elevation. 00:24:39
So yeah. 00:24:43
Basically what we're working with with materials. I'm going to start from the. 00:24:45
On the South. 00:24:50
On the right hand side, you know we have the red brick. 00:24:52
The units are in red brick over a retail base. 00:24:56
With the stone tile finish on the the facade of the retail base. 00:25:01
Just to kind of separate the two and kind of helped you know what's what's what and then as you go to the east from there we have 00:25:07
stucco. 00:25:11
And then another stucco volume with these brick the the, the lighter beige color is brick. 00:25:17
Protrusions. And so there's a covered porch on the ground floor and covered patios. 00:25:25
On the second, third floor, on the 4th floor that the top of the brick volume is is a patio or a balcony space. 00:25:31
For the 4th. 00:25:39
And then from there you can see the dark. 00:25:41
That's our. 00:25:44
Entry. So it's just a simple roll up door for the trash and that's going to be a metal door in. 00:25:46
Darker stucco material. 00:25:54
And then above that is a light. 00:25:57
For those units above the three units. 00:26:00
Moving E, we also have another building that's white stucco with another stone tile base just around the bottom. 00:26:04
And then as you turn. 00:26:13
What's labeled as the West Ele? 00:26:14
Is actually the east elevation. 00:26:17
And that's that same building there on the right, that's that same portion with the stucco in the stone. 00:26:19
And then we have. 00:26:24
Pushed back inside the courtyard we have. 00:26:27
With a stone tile. 00:26:31
And then you'll see another red brick volume. 00:26:34
To the South. So one thing that's kind of hard to see in a 2D elevation like this is this is the alcove piece. So there's a little 00:26:37
we're looking. 00:26:41
At a set back, the center portion is set back. 00:26:45
From the right and left sides. 00:26:49
There. 00:26:52
So there's a little courtyard in that space. 00:26:54
So basically you're standing where it says east and you're looking back at the building. 00:26:59
So then I'll come around to the South here. Now these are correctly labeled. 00:27:06
Uh, starting on the right hand side you have that red brick, that same red brick volume. 00:27:10
And then a series of. 00:27:15
You know different expressions in stucco with a stone base. 00:27:17
And these are the more traditional elevations, so we have stucco stone based and then a precast concrete details so that the 00:27:23
corners up top. 00:27:28
And various cornices and details on the facade would be in precast concrete. 00:27:33
To match. 00:27:38
You got a mansard roof section here in the middle and then all the way to the West. 00:27:41
We have another master group section with precast details over. 00:27:46
More of a brown brick and a stone base. 00:27:51
And then we come around on the West. 00:27:56
With that same mantra, roof with the brown brick stone. 00:27:59
And then there's a little transitional. 00:28:03
Facade type. 00:28:06
With that's going to be a fiber cement lap siding. 00:28:08
And a dark. 00:28:12
And that's where we start to get into the residential lobby here. 00:28:15
And then we're back around to the West side with the red brick over the stone tile. 00:28:19
And right there, where the cursor is at, that's the entry to the lobby, the residential lobby. 00:28:26
Then we have a passage that gets you into the courtyard. 00:28:31
From that street. 00:28:35
And then a retail space that could be divided into. 00:28:38
And you can see the umbrella sitting out there outside the retail. 00:28:45
And then? 00:28:50
Inside the courtyards, it's. 00:28:52
Simple stucco facade with stone tile. 00:28:56
Much like the northeast corner of the building that we saw earlier. 00:29:00
That wrapped around that E courtyard. 00:29:05
Here's a few 3D rendering perspectives. This is the northwest corner that retail space. 00:29:12
And the. 00:29:20
Units. 00:29:22
Here you can see how it interacts with the street and then moving to the South of that is the southwest corner. This is along the 00:29:26
Paseo where the paseo beats Concord. 00:29:31
Kitty corner from the park and real quick let me hop in here. Another thing with this elevation is this will always be seen from 00:29:37
the promenade. 00:29:40
Long term, so we've tried to. 00:29:45
Thoughtful in where we're investing a lot of the dollars on the exterior, this is obviously that's a very expensive elevation for 00:29:47
the type of building this is. 00:29:51
But since that's so prominent from the promenade. 00:29:56
We wanted it always to have that incredible view. And as you look at other parts of the building, you'll say, oh, stucco or 00:29:59
whatever, but that long term will either get covered up by other buildings or you have a courtyard that takes more of the focus. 00:30:04
So we've tried to really be intentional about where we're investing on the elevator. I mean, I know that's not part of the code, 00:30:09
but just as an FYI as you look through this, that's why some of these elevations and points are a little bit different than 00:30:14
others. 00:30:19
Yeah, so this particular view, if you can remember the promenade, it's this long linear. 00:30:26
Piece of open space that connects the train station to the. 00:30:32
So when you're in the. 00:30:35
The largest block, we call it block five of the promenade. 00:30:38
You're in the north northeast corner. This is the building that you see from that park. 00:30:42
Go ahead, Evan. 00:30:54
OK. Yeah. As you move east on that Paseo, you know we have some units with some, some really nice. 00:30:55
And covered porches. 00:31:02
Out here along with PASE. 00:31:05
This is that S elevation with the the stone base and the stucco above with the the casting or the precast concrete details. 00:31:08
And it's just moving farther to the east, southeast corner with the red brick. 00:31:21
Kind of coming back and booke. 00:31:26
The the building with the with the other side. 00:31:30
And this is going to be kind of a terminus point of another paseo. So it's kind of kind of an axis is going to be kind of head on 00:31:33
on this and that's kind of why we. 00:31:37
Speak into what Nate was talking about. That's kind of what we wanted to do is have a little bit, you know, more important 00:31:41
elevation for these Terminus points. 00:31:46
And all of these units that we have ground floor. 00:31:53
That are kind of the how the ground floor unit interacts with the space with the street or the paseo outside is very important to 00:31:57
the project. If anything that's like the most important part of the project. 00:32:03
So there's been a lot of time and caretaking into, you know, how the building hits the ground and what happens there and what kind 00:32:09
of spaces we're providing for. 00:32:13
At that. 00:32:19
So the next slide is. 00:32:25
Again, back inside that E courtyard, you can see how that red brick volume kind of wraps around and we have some covered 00:32:27
balconies. 00:32:31
There on the corner of that and how they interact in that courtyard space which is open to the public. 00:32:35
Thought it would be nice to have a big large tree in the middle there. 00:32:42
In the gathering space. 00:32:45
Oh, sorry, Lanza, there we go. That. 00:32:55
And then this is as we come out on the other side. So this is that street that runs east, West to the north of the building and we 00:32:59
have that. 00:33:03
The white stucco. 00:33:09
Portion with the stone tile. 00:33:10
You can kind of see how these units are interacting with the street a little bit differently than they were on the Paseo side, 00:33:13
right? 00:33:16
And then once we get to the West down the street you can see you know these these spaces along the street are going to provide. 00:33:22
For a very active, lively streetscape, where? 00:33:29
You're going to want to walk down this street. You know, it's a it's a lively urban environment. 00:33:34
With these private patio spaces right along. 00:33:40
OK. 00:33:47
Thanks, Evan. 00:33:49
You want to just keep clicking through some of these? 00:33:51
So let's get into the details. 00:33:55
These are those are some of the more detailed landscape plans. 00:33:58
Some of the site furnishing that we're. 00:34:01
On block. 00:34:04
Keep going. 00:34:13
Let's stop here real quick. So this. 00:34:15
What's in green is the promenade. 00:34:18
Yeah, that corner you were just pointing at cash. That was the corner we were talking about if you were standing in in Block five 00:34:21
of the promenade looking back to Building 8. 00:34:25
Mansard roof elevation. 00:34:32
And when we get into 14, when we show 14. 00:34:35
Part of the idea on. 00:34:39
Intersection of streets is. 00:34:41
You saw that retail corner on Block. 00:34:43
It's replicated on block 14 and then the plan is on block 10 and 13 there would be retail spaces. So this becomes a retail node. 00:34:47
With each of those corners of the building having a retail space. 00:34:56
There were some questions. 00:35:09
The streets that. 00:35:12
That we're designing in here this is. These are the cross sections of the different streets. So this is. 00:35:14
Concord St. Where you're seeing the separated bike lane. 00:35:21
You've got the travel lanes in the middle. 00:35:25
One way and in each direction one travel lane, in each direction a parking lane. 00:35:28
And then there's a buffer for the door swing. 00:35:33
Of the car that's parked and then your. 00:35:35
Is on the outside of that and then a. 00:35:38
Planting buffer and then the sidewalk and then the building. 00:35:43
Plan view of that. 00:35:50
And then some perspectives of that condition. 00:35:54
And then this is one of the side streets. 00:35:59
So we've got the two travel lanes in. 00:36:02
Parking lane on each side. 00:36:05
And then the planting buffer goes right up against the curb in this street section. 00:36:07
And then the. 00:36:12
And then the. 00:36:14
This is an FYI too. In cities, people typically ignore. 00:36:25
I stood up again. Too fast, man. I gotta slow that down. 00:36:31
In cities, people typically drive. 00:36:35
What's comfortable? 00:36:38
As a speed, not anything to do with what the speed limit. 00:36:39
So on the. 00:36:43
You know this is what research shows on the freeway and highways. You you know, you typically notice what it is. You'll set your 00:36:45
cruise control, whatever. But in cities? 00:36:48
People just drive how comfortable the road is. So the wider you make your roads, the wider you make your lanes, the faster people 00:36:52
will drive no matter what you put the speed limit at. So this you can see that this road is purposefully designed to slow traffic 00:36:57
down. You have 10 feet in each direction, so if somebody else is coming the same direction, there's enough friction there that 00:37:03
you're you're looking around and you're slowing down and that's going to keep keep speeds slower in this community then you'll 00:37:08
find in other places. 00:37:13
Maybe it's a stop here just for a second. So this is showing those kind of those four retail corners. 00:37:28
And this is where we're proposing to lift. 00:37:34
The intersection up to the sidewalk grade, so we term this a tabletop. 00:37:38
So the. 00:37:44
As the bike is traveling through its lane, it stays at the same elevation across the intersection. 00:37:45
Yeah, just right where. 00:37:51
Showing. 00:37:53
Curs. 00:37:54
And so then. 00:37:56
Vehicle you'll. 00:37:58
And you'll ramp up to this elevation in the intersection. 00:38:00
So another means of slowing the cars down. 00:38:04
In this kind of application. 00:38:09
Would that be a four way stop? 00:38:12
Yeah, OK. Yeah, I think they are showing line signs. 00:38:14
And then just perspective view of coming in toward that intersection, you can see how that intersection is kind of ramped up the 00:38:23
car sitting on the table top. 00:38:26
This is that retail kind of how the retail space works. 00:38:33
With the Inter. 00:38:36
Kind of how that feels. 00:38:38
These are the lighting options that we've. 00:38:40
We've chosen for these blocks and it looks like some of our images aren't coming through. 00:38:44
They're just Gray boxes. 00:38:48
So on the far left, that's the planned street light. 00:38:55
And then there's some kind of these accent string lights. 00:38:58
The cantonary light, which is another light that's on. 00:39:03
A. 00:39:06
And then the tree moon lighting we talked about that last time instead of up lighting into the. 00:39:08
Which is kind of frowned upon for dark skies. We put the light up in the tree so it kind of makes the canopy glow. 00:39:12
And kind of gives you that same effect of an. 00:39:18
And then? 00:39:21
Just the. 00:39:23
Parking lights. 00:39:25
Temporary surface parking lights. 00:39:27
And then Courtyard's Lauren, do you? 00:39:31
Run us through this courtyard. 00:39:33
Sure, Yeah. So each courtyard has kind of their own unique theme and different amenities. All of these courtyards will be 00:39:37
accessible by any of their residents, so they can kind of share the amenities. This one here is really focused on having an open 00:39:44
flex line. 00:39:50
And then using the lounge seating kind of as you would on the edge of a pool, but really on the edge of grass here, just to 00:39:56
provide a comfortable space to kind of sit out in the sun but also have some shade with the trees in there and overlook whatever 00:40:02
is happening on the lawn and then. 00:40:07
On our opposite quarter, there is an outdoor grill kitchen station. 00:40:14
Right. 00:40:19
I think there's a couple different. 00:40:23
Images, yeah. If you flip through you can see it. You can see in there proposing some string lighting throughout here as well. 00:40:26
And then this is that alcove space, we kind of got a little bit of a view of this from the architectural rendering as well. So you 00:40:37
can see those the stoop areas adjacent to the units. So those are. 00:40:43
Private spaces for those units to be used and then centrally there's some shared. 00:40:50
Movable seating as well as a big specimen tree with some string lights. And then that building you see there can act as a pavilion 00:40:56
and maybe at a later phase, some sort of retail space or rentable space. 00:41:04
For. 00:41:13
This is a look down, one of those paseos into that alcove. Look from the stoop into the alcove. 00:41:18
And then this is the southern side, so it's the another one of the Paseo connections you can see here just a similar. 00:41:35
Design theory of providing A separation between the pedestrian space there and the private courtyards for the unit. So there's a 00:41:45
little bit of a grade separation there. 00:41:50
There's at least a 12 foot pass through here for pedestrians and cyclists to to move through, but then also. 00:41:56
Some artificial turf areas for some more passive. 00:42:03
Open. 00:42:08
So this is on the Concord St. looking down that Paseo. So building 8A is on our left and the building on the right is just a 00:42:10
future. 00:42:14
And then I think this is just the fire access plan. 00:42:25
That's all. That's all. 00:42:34
OK, so then block 14. 00:42:36
We can spin through this. 00:42:39
Yeah, so this is the where Block 14 sits. 00:42:43
In the overall. 00:42:48
You can see where the building sits and then the temporary surface parking lots around it. 00:42:50
Janet, do you want to go through these elevations quickly? 00:43:01
Sure. I mean I can go through them pretty quickly. Similar material palette as block 8. 00:43:05
And just keeping in mind that at the pedestrian level meeting, the first floor is kind of where we're emphasizing. 00:43:12
Materials. So you're going to see a variation of Br. 00:43:18
Stone. 00:43:21
Materials being used. 00:43:23
And then at the corners of the project also elevating the materials. So like on that right hand N elevation you've got brick. 00:43:24
Going up to 4. 00:43:33
And then you have stucco above. 00:43:35
In that N elevation in the middle that darker Gray is. 00:43:37
And then you have brick kind of in the. 00:43:43
So it's just a similar idea, similar palette. 00:43:46
Items like stucco, you know, kind of a less expensive material are used higher up on the building. 00:43:51
And then kind of also in the interior courtyards. 00:43:58
Where it's not, as you know, seen by the public. 00:44:02
And if you, you know, if you kind of go even on that east elevation, everything on the 1st floor is going to be either a brick. 00:44:07
Or stone material, at least the majority of. 00:44:14
And if you go? 00:44:18
Janet, I gotta say something here because it's gonna bug me. Too bad. 00:44:20
We're not doing that red stucco there. That's got to go, Brick. 00:44:24
Unfortunately, Mac and Jeff aren't here to rein me in, so we're going to go brick on all the way out. We can't do red stucco, 00:44:28
that's just not going to look good, so. 00:44:33
Let's make that change, please. 00:44:39
I don't have any problem with that. 00:44:44
Yeah, and if you just go to the next page. 00:44:48
That top one there is kind of the conc. 00:44:53
I'm sorry, is. 00:44:56
South elevation. The West elevation is. 00:44:58
So if we focus on the West one first sort of in the middle of that elevation. 00:45:02
You see the lobby to the res. 00:45:07
To the right of that, that's just kind of shown as a white block is the passageway into the interior courtyard. 00:45:10
And then on the right hand side is the ret. 00:45:16
Kind of what was spoken of before that this is. 00:45:20
The corner on block. 00:45:23
But like you're kind of forming that retail? 00:45:26
And then you know, as we notice on the left hand side, that red brick is red brick all the way up. No stucco. 00:45:30
And you know again opposite Cor. 00:45:38
And the Major? 00:45:43
Of the building is brick with some stucco areas. 00:45:45
But most of the stucco being on kind of the higher portions of the building. 00:45:50
And again, the Gray that you're looking at is a metal panel. 00:45:54
But just emphasizing the 1st. 00:45:59
Kind of the elevated materials in here when you're looking at the different Courtyard Elev. 00:46:03
This is where we do. 00:46:08
You know, stucco on the higher. 00:46:11
And some. 00:46:14
Brick or stone in in different. 00:46:16
At just at the. 00:46:20
Again, here is the. 00:46:25
You're kind of looking at the northwest corner. 00:46:27
Kind of down the right hand side of that rendering is where you have the entrance into. 00:46:31
For the res. 00:46:38
And then kind of the far right side is the ret. 00:46:40
This is just a close up view of the entrance for the residences. 00:46:49
OK. 00:46:55
And this is the view looking at the. 00:46:58
And I guess in that previous view and if you wanted to go back one real quick. 00:47:04
Yeah, you can kind of see in the background there. That's the building 8. 00:47:10
Retail that would happen on that corner. 00:47:15
So that's where. 00:47:17
Retail node. 00:47:19
And then you're just kind of getting some close up views of that ground floor? 00:47:27
As kind of Evan mentioned, each of the ground floor units does have kind of. 00:47:32
Stoop area that they're expected to put. 00:47:38
Their own furniture. We are matching the site. 00:47:42
In those areas, using the same material that we're using on the. 00:47:45
For those site walls that are kind of performing those. 00:47:51
Well, I think there's. 00:47:57
Couple more. 00:47:59
Looking at if you're on the Northside, you're kind of seeing the east courtyard. 00:48:02
Which is that open courtyard in the. 00:48:08
And then you know you're seeing Stoops for the residences right in the foreground for you. 00:48:11
And then this is just the opposite corner, so you're at the northeast corner of the building here. 00:48:22
North of our building is the pedestrian Paseo that passes through. So that's the people that you're kind of seeing on that side. 00:48:28
And just a close up along that Northside of. 00:48:40
And you can kind of see the site walls having the similar material to what's on the building. 00:48:46
So if it's stone on the building or. 00:48:51
The walls, the form of students having the same material. 00:48:55
And the railings matching on. 00:48:59
On the site wall and again just a close up of you know, closer up view. 00:49:01
Of the same area that we just talked about. 00:49:07
Thanks, Janet. We can. 00:49:19
Talk about the courtyards on Block 14. 00:49:21
Yeah, so this is. 00:49:26
Of rendering a plan, rendering of that block 14 I think if you go to the next page. 00:49:29
We'll get. 00:49:37
I think we're going to flip through some of the more. 00:49:43
Site drawings before we get to the. 00:49:47
The theme for the. 00:49:51
Courtyard. 00:49:54
Block 14. 00:49:55
Is to have. 00:49:57
Thanks, Kash. You're doing a great job. It's on page 100, cash. 00:50:04
Maybe we're not. There we go. This is what I was looking for. Great. So the theme for this one is to have this kind of forest. 00:50:11
Like escape or a little atmosphere here, so having. 00:50:19
Treehouse play zone in the middle, so also more oriented towards families that have kids here. 00:50:25
A hammock space and then also some smaller seating areas. 00:50:30
Including one with a fire pit for multiple gathering areas if you go to the next slide. 00:50:35
The page right before that showed up. This is that hammock space utilizing some artificial turf. Oh yeah, perfect. 00:50:40
So you can see how the landscape and the hardscape kind of just filter into each. 00:50:48
Bringing a little bit more of a softness and an organic feel to this courtyard. 00:50:53
Here's a couple of perspectives of what those spaces can look like, trying to use as many native plants as we can. 00:51:01
To create that lush. 00:51:09
But still being. 00:51:12
Still being cognizant of the environ. 00:51:16
And then this is a good slide to see how the block 8 and block 14 paseo connects here. So having a mid block crossing here with 00:51:24
some landscape full about. 00:51:29
Enhanced signage and some high visibility markings across that secondary St. 3rd St. there for the pedestrian access from Block 8 00:51:36
to Block 14. 00:51:42
And then this is the block 14 alcove, so similar to block 8, it's the same, about the same size space but using a. 00:51:55
More artificial TARP firms and also having a little platform for some sort of informal. 00:52:05
Music, fence or a stage for the residents to use. 00:52:11
A couple of different views of that also loss. 00:52:19
And then this is that North Paseo using that same design from the courtyard where with more of a filtered landscape and hardscape 00:52:29
look. Also having space for an art exhibit along here. 00:52:35
And then integrating plants along those edges. 00:52:43
To create some privacy between the Stoops and the pedestrian. 00:52:46
Basically, yeah. A couple more. 00:52:54
OK, well, that was, that was a lot of information. 00:52:59
Happy to answer any questions that you might have. Oh. 00:53:02
I guess we could kind of walk through this parking management plan that was something that came out from last time. 00:53:06
Maybe go to slide two there this one. 00:53:11
It's kind of small. Can you zoom in on that a little bit? So the image on the right is just. 00:53:16
That's our overall master plan of Utah City. 00:53:22
But here are some of the parking management like best practice practices that we plan on implementing. 00:53:27
Kind of like we talked about last time. 00:53:32
Each of these buildings will have a property manager. 00:53:35
Umm. 00:53:39
Some of the controls on parking. 00:53:39
In place at time of when people are signing their lease so they'll know. 00:53:42
Exactly what the rules are at that time. 00:53:47
We'll plan on evaluating, you know, the data in the parking data. 00:53:52
At the time referred to by. 00:53:58
In his presentation. 00:54:01
On this one. 00:54:11
I mean, we've talked a lot about this before. I think what you see in your city where there are parking issues, it's because. 00:54:14
It's not an overall monitored parking plan you have. 00:54:23
Units that have been sold to people and they'll rent them to a bunch of people that either live in their basement or they'll rent 00:54:28
them to a bunch of students. 00:54:32
And so if you have a plan, you know was brought up earlier, what if you have two units? 00:54:36
Two stalls per unit. What do the guests do? We've planned for guest parking, it's just we won't give. 00:54:41
We won't have the issue of all of these different people living in the units with cars because we'll monitor it every night and if 00:54:47
they don't have a parking pass, they'll get towed. 00:54:51
And that's the simplest way you do it. You could, you can plan for parking very, very efficiently as long as you have an overall 00:54:57
plan that does it. It becomes an issue when you have an HOA that sells a bunch of units off and then people are kind of monitoring 00:55:03
things on their own and there will be a lot of for sale units here as well. We will sell condos and townhomes etcetera. 00:55:09
However we'll do this, we'll have to monitor it the exact same way, and it will be part of this overall cohesive parking plan. 00:55:16
That's kind of on parking. The other question I think David brought up was you know the size of the units. We do have some smaller 00:55:22
units. 00:55:25
The average size is not 500 overall but but there are some smaller. 00:55:28
That's just because not everyone in the world is as fortunate to live in Davidde basement. He only has room for two, so there's a 00:55:33
lot of those people who. 00:55:37
Who would prefer to have their own space and there's a big demand and actually in our market right now for young professionals 00:55:42
that. 00:55:45
Can't afford the larger units in Utah County has an excess of two and three bedroom units and not a lot of smaller units. So the 00:55:49
bigger units are coming. We are designing plans right now to David's point that are larger, but there is a demand for those 00:55:54
smaller units. 00:55:59
And you know, we're hoping our business plan is right. Quick question, quick question. 00:56:07
Support. 00:56:16
I. 00:56:18
So I did have a question as far as the street parking and public parking. 00:56:21
When is the when are the streets going to be handed over to the city as far if the city is going to manage them? Or are you guys 00:56:28
planning on managing the public parking or how as long as as long as they're private will be managing those, but when? 00:56:34
When or if we turn those over to the city? 00:56:41
There. We're working through that agreement right now. 00:56:45
Attorneys are. 00:56:49
OK. Nate has a little bit more insight to that, but that as soon as we come to an agreement there, that's when. 00:56:51
We'll know you know which streets. 00:56:57
Public. Which ones are private? OK, but if they are, If they do. 00:56:59
Or whether it's us or the. 00:57:05
A plan will have to be in place but it'll be managed and I would imagine that our property manager. 00:57:08
Of that building, we'll be able to help Mon. 00:57:14
Maybe monitor is the wrong word to use? 00:57:18
Be able to see, enforce, enforce. 00:57:21
Sorry, Anthony. You're good. 00:57:27
We need to be able to enforce the parking plan, so whether or not the city has it or we have it, there needs to be an overall 00:57:29
parking plan. 00:57:33
That's that's that's enforced and then there won't be any parking issues. 00:57:37
People may self select whether or not they want to live there or not. If they have three or four cars, this probably is not the 00:57:42
place for them. 00:57:45
It won't be an issue like you see elsewhere in. 00:57:49
In the city. And then I guess my other question on that is how soon do you guys plan on? 00:57:52
Enforcing. 00:57:58
Yeah. At time, well, we'll have this plan. 00:58:00
We'll have this plan in the lease agree. 00:58:05
So everyone that's leasing will know. 00:58:07
Exactly what the expectations? 00:58:09
They'll be ISS. 00:58:12
Parking pass, whether that's a sticker or a permit that they can hang. 00:58:14
Rear. 00:58:18
I mean, those kind of details are still to be worked out, but it. 00:58:20
Begin on day one. OK, OK. I mostly ask because I. 00:58:23
Was driving by on Sunday and noticed that one of the streets in particular was just lined with cars. 00:58:27
That I know aren't for this development yet because. 00:58:34
The development's not there and but they also weren't for tracks because they would have parked a lot closer than they did because 00:58:37
there were lots of parking spots in the yeah, to that point, Bryce, we are working with the city on coming up with a plan for that 00:58:43
street, whether that's street parking or signs or or what to make sure that that's an enforceable. 00:58:49
OK, perfect. 00:58:55
OK. 00:58:56
A question about. 00:58:59
I'm one that appreciates electrical upgrades and, you know, gets excited about lighting. 00:59:02
There will be different fixtures. 00:59:10
But as a standard are they're? 00:59:14
Only LED. 00:59:17
So far what we've proposed are LED's. Lauren, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but the main the Main Street light. 00:59:20
Umm. 00:59:27
It's I. 00:59:29
Not many people will know, but it's a landscape forms. It's a very high end St. 00:59:30
We picked that light. It looks similar to the existing city street lights, but just kind of an upgraded light. It is LED. 00:59:35
Yeah, that's correct. All the lights we've proposed so far are LED. I wonder if there will be any incandescent? 00:59:45
Light sources in the entire development? Can you even? Aren't they like illegal now? Can you even buy? But they're more 00:59:52
maintenance and less efficient. But anyway. 00:59:58
That's a good question I. 01:00:05
OK. Yeah, go ahead. 01:00:11
I'm wondering about the vertical displacement raised inter. 01:00:16
OK, so like there's a lot of benefits, but there are two downsides I'm wondering. 01:00:20
The drainage. 01:00:26
Has been like a common downside and I don't think anybody's ever done it in Utah, right. There's no, it's been done quite a bit. 01:00:27
There's. 01:00:35
Probably not one that I could name off that everybody will know. Maybe like downtown Salt Lake, right? Yeah. As you drive around, 01:00:37
you'll come across like a raised intersection like that. The maintenance cost on maintaining them is a lot higher than a regular 01:00:43
Rd. Who's gonna be? Yeah, I mean, it's higher than asphalt, right? A lot higher. Yeah. So we've been working with the city on this 01:00:48
design, making sure that those ramps aren't, like, too abrupt. 01:00:54
We don't want anyone bottoming out. We don't want plows to be, you know, blowing through. 01:01:01
That. 01:01:06
As far as drainage goes, the the storm drain will storm. Drainage happens at the street grade. 01:01:08
And then we're pitching that upper table topped area to come back to the drainage that's in the street. 01:01:15
There is a lot of benefits to them though, like it prevents like 93% accidents according to couple studies so. 01:01:22
Like with vehicles and we don't have them on every single intersection, but those intersections where there's a busier road and 01:01:30
it's a major. 01:01:35
Pedestrian crossing. 01:01:39
Thought I'd be worth, I mean the cost of it obviously is higher as well the upfront cost that we're putting in now and so we're 01:01:41
we're trying to be thoughtful about that but we think. 01:01:45
Having places where pedestrians go and feel very comfortable is really, really important to this plan. 01:01:50
And mixing the. 01:01:57
You know it. 01:01:59
But we think we're kind of walking that tightrope and we're not putting them everywhere. But there are some areas that we think 01:02:01
that it's really critical to do and these being. 01:02:05
On that major Rd. going out, it's important that we do them in our. 01:02:10
Thanks for your questions. 01:02:17
This is an assume for the. 01:02:19
The scene by the works director, just to answer the question in regards to the maintenance costs and so forth. 01:02:21
Typically when you do speed tables. 01:02:25
Especially for snow removal and so forth, what do you do? What you what you have is markers on either side of the road. 01:02:28
And the marker is there Allow like snowflower drivers to identify where the humps are going to be so they they go. So the blades 01:02:33
are the blades are changed to look more of a floating. 01:02:39
To allow it to float up. It's very typical. It's very common for other cities that do it as well as E dot does it quite often 01:02:45
because the other roads are smooth. 01:02:49
On that, it's the unfortunate fortunate part of our infrastructure as well as when you get to the table tops, I believe they're 01:02:55
brick. 01:03:00
Along the surface, I mean there's pros and cons in terms of. 01:03:05
Maintenance portion of it, The pros is when you have to do maintenance underneath that you can remove bricks. The cons is 01:03:10
typically that those areas is where cars tend to stop. 01:03:15
And then you have what you call drifting of the. 01:03:21
However, having a discussion or some time ago whether with the contractor that does the. 01:03:25
Not just for this, not for specifically for the tabletop, but for the marketplace area. 01:03:33
That. 01:03:39
If it's installed properly, it will function properly. 01:03:40
So let's just answer that those questions. 01:03:44
Thank you so much. 01:03:46
I had a quick question about commercial. Is the commercial space in all these areas going to be commercial from day one? 01:03:50
We have some of them that are planned that way now, I mean ideally for us. 01:03:58
The sooner that someone will lease them and pay for them the better. So we're we're hoping that they will be we think. 01:04:02
One of them, I think, was a soda. 01:04:09
It was kind of closer to the Promenade area that we thought would be kind of a great thing to be able to just walk over there, get 01:04:12
a. 01:04:15
Get a soda and. 01:04:18
So yeah, we're hoping that they will be OK. We'll see when I mean they're fully designed with everything. 01:04:21
Thanks. I think grease traps and at least one of them for a restaurant etc. Their plan to be that way from day one. 01:04:27
Yeah, that the idea of kind of the. 01:04:36
Kind of comes from block 5:00 and 6:00. So that's our first retail space. 01:04:39
We'll probably use that as a leasing office initially, yeah. 01:04:43
Fitness initially. 01:04:47
So there could be a potential of this these ones. 01:04:51
Having a different use initially, but we'd love them to go like. 01:04:54
Retail as quick as possible. OK, as quick as soon as they're viable. 01:04:58
I'll get you David in just. 01:05:04
Did you have any questions? 01:05:06
Not a question, more just a comment on behalf of another resident. So maybe when we open it up, I wanted to read Mark Owens. 01:05:11
Let me pull. 01:05:19
So we did have a resident reach out to Rachel who was not able to make it tonight. 01:05:21
And he shared the following. 01:05:27
He said I saw a street plan shown by flag. 01:05:30
Presumably this I saw north-south and east West running roads called blank streets. Aren't streets and avenues or roads supposed 01:05:34
to run 90 degrees from each other? 01:05:39
So you'd have NS roads called Streets and East West called Avenues or vice versa. Just a thought. So that was his comment. 01:05:45
But even even bigger maybe when we get into this is. 01:05:53
Maybe you could take us through the logic behind. 01:05:57
The street naming. 01:06:01
Personally, I'm not opposed to any street names. I think continuing with the Utah Valley grid that we're already on makes a lot of 01:06:04
sense for folks. You know, 1600 N will always be 1600 N but you know, maybe it's called another name too. But like that helps 01:06:09
people navigate traditionally. So you can talk about that. 01:06:15
So right now they're just placeholders. Honestly, I mean. 01:06:22
We like the concept of having something that's a little bit more unique than than maybe just St. 01:06:26
But. 01:06:31
When Main Street became 5th Ave. 01:06:33
Randomly did that. Didn't feel very good. It's like, no, we're not, you know, I mean, we're already taking enough heat to try to 01:06:36
say that Main Street is going to be 5th Ave. New York, so. 01:06:41
We're we're still working through the name those aren't finalized. We we've hired as many of you know we've hired RSM who's a 01:06:48
place making firm one of the best in the country and they're helping us with. 01:06:53
Through day math here goes, but what all I'm saying is it it works to be able to do both and you know, plug it into Google Maps, 01:07:29
it works for both. I'm just saying that continuing the grid in some manner I think it will be beneficial. 01:07:34
Yeah, we we like that. I did too, Anthony. We're, you know, based on the names of the streets, you kind of know where you're. 01:07:40
Based on. 01:07:47
And kind of the coordinate system like that. 01:07:48
OK, cool. Did you guys have any other questions for? 01:07:52
OK, we're going to have the public. If they want to make some comments, I'll write down again. Try to keep your comments brief. 01:07:57
And as far as comments, as far as the name of the city or things that we can't change that you wish that there was 5 parking spots 01:08:08
per stall, we're not looking for those kinds of comments. We're looking for comments on things that we may have missed, things 01:08:13
that and things of that nature, so. 01:08:19
If you. 01:08:25
State your comment and if you have a question, I'll write down your question. We'll ask questions at the end of public. Before we 01:08:26
start that, I just want to just make a comment about the street names and so forth the comment. 01:08:31
Ave. **** to be perpendicular to streets and going north, north-south so forth. There's no. 01:08:37
There's. 01:08:46
Rules or regulations that state that it has that has to be that way that's. 01:08:47
That's a principle that's been that's been done early on and for example avenues tend to have buildings on both sides, a Blvd. has 01:08:52
to have a meet would have a medium with landscaping in the center. Therefore if you follow that. 01:08:59
Practice to the point to. 01:09:06
Main Street would not be called Main Street. It could be called Main Blvd. or something similar to that. So those that's a 01:09:09
practice for St. Naming from like the olden days my last city established in the 1800s. 01:09:14
Follow that rule in the old, in the old part of the city, and. 01:09:20
And the newer, the more newer part of the city, many people have just gone away from that particular. The biggest part part of it 01:09:24
is we just want you just want to make sure that the street names are just not conflicting with each other for Mercy vehicles. So 01:09:30
it's great that the developer would kind of follow that rule because to make navigating streets and there is easier for people. 01:09:37
Which it would actually help everyone keep from. 01:09:44
But it's not a hard, fast rule. I just want to go on record and say nothing. Yeah. And I was looking it up. And in Denver, they do 01:09:48
it One Direction. In Manhattan, they do it the opposite direction, so. 01:09:52
Hi, David, Larae again as we know we're, this is all being built upon. 01:10:00
A form of Superfund. 01:10:06
And and actually this area is was the old settling ponds which was. 01:10:08
A major source of the pollution that. 01:10:14
Had to be. 01:10:17
And. 01:10:18
We know also that the first couple levels of aquifers. 01:10:22
Have included and there's a plume out there. It's actually being tracked and. 01:10:26
It's not. It's still wandering under the ground, right? All this big pocket of pollution, so. 01:10:30
I know when we when you build buildings, you do soil samples and soil test to make sure that you know the compatibility of the 01:10:35
soil and so on and so forth. 01:10:40
Knowing this is on a settling. 01:10:45
That's you know what would help us want to be sure of that, but we also want to check, I think. 01:10:48
The top of the ground has been cleaned up. 01:10:53
What's down below? When you dig down to build a foundation and so forth, what do you I mean, is that clean? 01:10:57
I mean, I mean we need to and also because this stuff is still. 01:11:04
We probably it would probably be a really good idea to make sure we have some sort of plan in place. 01:11:08
To make sure we're monitoring. 01:11:12
Somewhere and somehow so we can make sure. 01:11:14
Our current residents and future. 01:11:17
Arguably aren't going to be poisoned by living there or poison us. 01:11:20
Process. Yeah. Great. Thanks. Thank you, David. 01:11:24
Well, I'll do all the questions and then. 01:11:30
Anybody else have any? Yeah, Dar. 01:11:33
OK. 01:11:36
This is Daria Evans. For the record, you're good. 01:11:38
Excuse me. I'm so sorry. You're good. 01:11:43
Graph. 01:11:47
I would just like to know how those 490 units and 386 units are split up between. 01:11:48
Bedroom and guest and. 01:11:57
I'd like to have that kind of allocated out. 01:11:59
I'm curious to know how they're going to allocate those 490. 01:12:02
Where it says provided you. 01:12:06
Like how many for the Zero Bedroom? How many? That's under the required tab. So for example, the Zero Bedroom has 41, Required, 01:12:08
one bedroom 173. 01:12:13
The unit count is under the count. 01:12:22
And then the required is the parking stalls. 01:12:25
So that is what, 26 more? 01:12:29
Required. So I want to know where these other 26. 01:12:33
For. 01:12:37
The 19, Yeah, I'd just like to know how they are dedicated. 01:12:44
And then I. 01:12:48
A dog waste question for all of you. I noticed on one of those first slides you have the gentleman walking the dog and it's just 01:12:51
sidewalk everywhere. 01:12:56
And last week at City Council I. 01:13:02
City Council staff for cleaning up the Lakeshore trail for their presentation. 01:13:05
Of all. 01:13:11
Identification markers for the. 01:13:12
And I just. 01:13:14
If someone walking the dog and that dog released himself on the sidewalk, Houston cleaned up by being there's going to be stains. 01:13:17
You know that sidewalk is nice, concrete and. 01:13:23
People aren't that great. 01:13:27
Clean. 01:13:31
I'm serious. And also a lot of it's artificial. 01:13:35
And we mentioned this last time. 01:13:39
Aren't you going to hose it down? 01:13:41
You know, on the artificial Turk these I'm really serious about this, you know, because. 01:13:44
Well, I am a dog lover too. I had a dog and he was mauled to death by Pitbull. That's awful. 01:13:51
I just worry, you know, that you're you've got a beautiful concept. 01:14:01
And we have a lot of people that use that Lake Shore Trail that aren't very responsible. 01:14:05
And it's going to migrate to. 01:14:11
And so I'm just saying, you might want to make sure, I don't know if you're going to require residents to not have animals. 01:14:14
Or if. 01:14:21
You know what are you? 01:14:23
Your sidewalks are. 01:14:25
Row. 01:14:27
That's my. 01:14:29
And. 01:14:30
The more St. lights you have. I mentioned this to Mr. Hutchinson. 01:14:32
The better because we don't have enough streetlights and. 01:14:36
So yeah, if you could just answer that, that question. 01:14:41
OK. 01:14:45
Thanks, Aaron. 01:14:46
Remind me about what you asked that City Council. 01:14:47
Yeah. Thank you. 01:14:50
Tyler Harrelson I live in Edgewater. 01:14:59
I agree with pretty much everything that the other residents have said. I did so after talking about at the last meeting, the soil 01:15:03
contamination. 01:15:07
I wouldn't looked up the report from 2003. 01:15:13
Where they kind of list. 01:15:18
Like this is a problem. 01:15:20
Some people who I respect greatly have not been quite as concerned about this as I have kind of saying, you know, they've spent 01:15:24
millions of dollars in cleaning this up, the EPA and the Utah EPA. 01:15:29
Involved with this I just. I'm still concerned. Not trying to point any fingers about anything. Still concerned and I wanted to 01:15:35
read you the numbers about. 01:15:40
So. 01:15:46
The list. 01:15:48
The contaminant The action level and their maximum detected for each contaminant. 01:15:50
The Pennsylvania HI. Don't know what that is, but it's something they track. 01:15:55
Maximum was the action level is 400 micrograms per liter. 01:16:00
And the maximum detector is 422,009 hundred 609 micrograms per kilogram. 01:16:06
Benzene action level is 99 milligrams per. 01:16:13
Maximum detected 115,872 micrograms per kilogram. Lead 400 milligrams per kilogram. 01:16:17
Maximum detected 28,861 milligrams per kilogram. 01:16:28
There's like five more or six more and they're all above, obviously, otherwise they wouldn't be on the. 01:16:33
I. 01:16:41
I've been looking I. 01:16:43
The air testing that they're doing, the Utah EPA and those look good and I see the groundwater and at least at the sites that. 01:16:45
Looking at that they're being proposed at, they're looking good, but I haven't seen anything about soil and I. 01:16:52
Just with how high those numbers? 01:16:58
I really want to make sure. 01:17:01
If the public can be informed and have a report that the public can look. 01:17:03
That's politically great. 01:17:08
But at least that you guys have reviewed person. 01:17:10
Or the City Council has reviewed personally the levels. 01:17:16
The most recent levels that have been detected and that you're looking at. 01:17:21
Soil samples when they start the construction because. 01:17:25
There have been places around the country where the EPA has failed. 01:17:30
People from getting hurt. There's famously Cancer Alley in different places like that. 01:17:37
I don't think we're going to be quite as bad as that regardless of what happens, but. 01:17:43
I just the more levels of protection, just with how high those numbers are on so many different contaminants, the better. I really 01:17:49
this is a huge deal. 01:17:54
So. 01:17:59
Thank you. Thank you. 01:18:00
Any other public comments or questions? 01:18:02
All right. Just real quick before you stand up, Daria, as far as the parking, what I was bringing up in City Council was that 01:18:06
there needs to be an overall plan. And hearing what they were saying tonight was what resolved. My concern was that there needs to 01:18:11
be something overall. 01:18:16
Yeah, getting to the soil, how do you guys have? 01:18:23
Any reports or any? 01:18:30
There's. 01:18:33
There's a few different distinctions on the old Geneva. 01:18:35
The West side of the tracks never had the heavy making steel facility on. 01:18:39
And it had the cooling. 01:18:44
Which was very different in nature in the contamination level of both sides. 01:18:46
So DEQ, the Department of Environmental Quality here in Utah, overseas. 01:18:51
Overseas the cleanup project on the overall. 01:18:56
Anderson, Geneva along with US Steel are Co permit ease on cleaning up this entire site. 01:19:00
And there's areas called Smooze and it's a site. 01:19:06
It's. 01:19:14
I can't remember the acronym, a management plan for each of those areas, right. And says like you have this contaminant here, 01:19:16
here's the required cleanup level, et cetera. And then what happens is since 2003. 01:19:22
The site has been continuously being cleaned up. There's been about $100 million of cleanup projects that's occurred on both sides 01:19:29
of the tracks. 01:19:32
And what happens is DEQ comes down once an area is. 01:19:36
They come up with a plan that says to clean this up, it needs to be done to this level and then do it and we'll come back and they 01:19:41
have to approve the cleanup plan and then they'll come back and test. 01:19:46
So DEQ is coming back and testing all of these. 01:19:51
And So what happened was on the on the West side of the. 01:19:54
Everything South of about that cursor to the north on the where the Geneva Park is to the north. 01:19:58
There's some Ora. 01:20:05
That's been cleaned up and put to the north. And so there's there's what they have there is it's complete with controls. Is the 01:20:08
new is the acronym that DEQ uses which is for example you have to you can't eat the dirt. 01:20:14
That's one of them. On that side. You can't, you can't drill a well and drink your own. You can't drink your own, Drill your own 01:20:22
well and and and drink your own water. 01:20:27
To irrigate it South of that, everywhere to the South of that. 01:20:33
Is has been cleaned. 01:20:37
Tested and gotten a complete without controls measure from the state of Utah, which is the highest. It's the highest level they 01:20:40
can get this land. 01:20:45
According to them and according to the test. 01:20:51
Has been cleaned up and there's no restrictions whatsoever on the. 01:20:54
South of this. 01:20:58
It was brought up and I think David left, but he mentioned groundwater. The groundwater plume that he's referring to is on the 01:21:00
east side of the tracks. It's being monitored. US Steel is on the hook to clean up 75 to 80% of the cost of that. We're currently 01:21:07
pushing US Steel hard to fund that. If you look at their latest quarterly report, they're estimating they have about $20 million 01:21:14
left of cleanup on the Geneva project in in total. 01:21:21
100% of that cost. 01:21:29
Is on the east side of the tracks. 01:21:32
So there's still, there's still work that's being done as you can see on the east side, there's still, there's still environmental 01:21:34
things and the east side of the tracks. 01:21:38
Will have much more complete with controls than the West side of the tracks. 01:21:43
If that makes sense. So there still will be restrictions on that. Some of the property on the east side, for example, can never be 01:21:50
residential. It will always have to be. It's cleaned up to an industrial and commercial standard, which is different than a 01:21:54
residential standard. 01:21:59
But everything on the West side of the tracks? 01:22:04
It's complete without controls and been tested and when we met with the Department of Environmental Quality. 01:22:07
They said this has been the most tested in the cleanest land around, like there's a lot of properties that didn't have. 01:22:13
That are much dirtier than this that people are building on. They just because they haven't run all the tests and inspected the 01:22:20
dirt and the area like has been done on the West side of the track. Avanti Kate, can you point out that the the plume again. 01:22:26
Yeah. 01:22:33
Yeah, it's, it's over. It's and it's being monitored. I mean it's US Steel. 01:22:35
Would like to see because naturally overtime the bugs in the water just kind of eats it up. It's not he mentioned that it's it's 01:22:42
migrating, it's not migrating. If it was migrating DEQ would would force US steel on us to get involved sooner. 01:22:49
We're pushing for a faster solution because we'd like to develop that side of the tracks. 01:22:56
US Steel doesn't have as much of the urgency as we do to do that, so there's. 01:23:02
There's obviously some negotiations occurring, but with with us and them and there are some some more aggressive measures we're 01:23:07
taking right now, some tests. 01:23:11
To see there there's some bugs. 01:23:15
You know natural bugs that you. 01:23:18
Test and put in and see if it will eat some of these chemicals faster than others. And that's being done on one site right now and 01:23:20
if that works then we'll deploy that over over the larger site. But I mean and and and. 01:23:26
The east side of the tracks being 350 acres plus UVU's 200 acres is 550 acres. If you look at the map and it's very clear on their 01:23:31
website, they'll show these areas, the overall smooth and then they'll show what's been done in each one and the and the tests. 01:23:39
About 250 of the 300 acres over there is clean today. 01:23:48
So there's still a lot of development that can continue to occur on the east side before we get into those pockets that still. 01:23:52
Have some loose ends. 01:23:58
Cool. Does that make sense? Yeah, Question. Is that Northside where that membrane is? 01:23:59
That's so the membrane is right. Yeah. So that's the camo up there. Yes. Just for clarification, but also just like dig on that, 01:24:05
right? No, no, but no, but that's on that's on the east side of the track, so the east side of the tracks like I mentioned before. 01:24:12
Will have a lot of restrictions moving forward though. 01:24:20
That we're going to take through that? Oh no, no, no. You can do spot footings on it, spread footing, so you can build things on 01:24:26
top of that. It's just you. 01:24:31
Dig and you can't penetrate down into the membrane, so. 01:24:36
You can do footings, they'll just have to be spread footings. 01:24:40
You. 01:24:44
Um. 01:24:46
Is it possible that the city could maybe put a link on the website of like this is a study that's been done? This is what DEQ 01:24:48
shows. 01:24:52
Yeah, it's it's it's public and we can just making it more accessible I think would be really good for some vineyard residents 01:24:56
that are concerned. We can work on that for sure. Thank you. 01:25:01
And then the next thing was dog waste for the area. 01:25:06
Yeah. So our property management company will have different measures. They'll be the stations. I agree there needs to be areas 01:25:11
where they can. 01:25:15
Take these pets along the sidewalk so that it's not a continuous. 01:25:20
Concrete area that they'll have areas. 01:25:24
Relieve themselves, I guess. 01:25:28
I guess my comment on that is I have a dog that's super weird and he'll he always poops on the sidewalk and stuff. 01:25:31
And he's weird. 01:25:39
It just takes a responsible dog owner. If you own a dog, you need to be responsible. Like the person that had the pit bull clearly 01:25:42
was not a responsible dog owner, which ended in a tragedy. 01:25:47
And it's, I think it just needs to be the same there. There are vineyard ordinances in place that if somebody doesn't clean up 01:25:53
after their dog. 01:25:58
Have to pay a fee, but it's so hard to enforce stuff like that. It's. 01:26:02
But. 01:26:08
It's hard, but if there are areas I think that are specified for people that are responsible and have dogs that aren't weird, I 01:26:08
think that that would be really good. 01:26:13
And then as far as parking, do you guys have like a breakdown or a plan yet of how you want to do that? No. So the question was 01:26:20
what do we were those excess stalls going? They're all just overflow for all of them. They're not going to be specific to. 01:26:26
You have an extra 26 stalls and seven of them go to retail. It'll just be overflow for whoever needs it. But what you won't find 01:26:33
is that the units won't end up with more than the permits that they're getting. 01:26:39
OK. 01:26:48
Cool. 01:26:49
Sure. 01:26:51
Yeah, make it quick, Tanner. 01:26:52
I'll be quick. I just want to say thank you for presenting that. It's good to hear. Wouldn't you do the public link, I would. 01:26:56
Recommend putting the whatever their announcement was saying that it was complete without control. 01:27:06
I spent like an hour on the you EQ website and maybe I'm just an idiot and couldn't find it, but I found a lot of reports but I 01:27:12
did not see that. So the more public that is the. 01:27:17
And then with the dogs. I also have a dog and he's weird, but he likes the grass a lot more. So when you have little grass 01:27:23
patches, it's easier. Also when you have more people walking down the street. 01:27:28
If. 01:27:34
Starts taking a crap in front of 100 people. You can be a lot more motivated to pick it up, so having more people on the street 01:27:36
could probably help the social aspect of that. 01:27:41
Cool. Any other comments from you guys? 01:27:49
Umm. 01:27:57
I feel like I have one more. 01:27:58
No, OK. 01:28:02
Cool. Does anybody want to make a motion? 01:28:04
Also, just to clarify, we did reach out to our attorney and he said that we are OK because we have the language in the agenda 01:28:07
saying that the Commission will make will take appropriate action. 01:28:11
That we're OK to make a motion, OK. Also I wanted to maybe add to the parking, that condition that you have on the parking. 01:28:16
Uh. 01:28:27
Before they start that that there is. 01:28:30
Before they start on these next buildings that there is a plan for the entire area. 01:28:34
Or before there's an. 01:28:39
Issued a certificate of occupancy that there's a plan for the entire area. 01:28:43
Not currently public roads, but I'm not sure how to word that. Not just the site plan, but not just this one site, but that 01:28:48
there's a plan for. 01:28:52
The overall area, is that something you guys are comfortable with? 01:28:57
What kind of language should I? 01:29:06
A. 01:29:10
Master plan. What? I mean, yeah, a parking. 01:29:11
Management plan for the entire development. 01:29:15
For the not the entire development, the for the public wrote. I don't know how to say that. For the roads, yeah, for the roads on 01:29:19
the development, in the development. And that there is something to in the code about a spillover, a parking spillover management 01:29:24
plan. 01:29:29
That the city planner is able to engage. 01:29:34
Something to that effect we're OK with. It's already in the code, yeah, and the idea is. 01:29:37
OK, any idea is that you're not doing public street parking to make up for a lack of parking from? 01:29:43
Developer, is that what you're that and so that I guess kind of within a fail safe. 01:29:51
So that parking. 01:29:58
For the people that are parking, they're. 01:29:59
That they either know that they can't park there real soon or. 01:30:02
If they can park there, if they decide to work with the city, that there is public parking there, that they can park there just. 01:30:08
Are you thinking this is over by the UTA? Yeah, they would incorporate that. OK. I see where. Yeah. Yeah. I was like trying to 01:30:13
figure out where you're making sorry. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. It's mostly just for the people that don't live in the 01:30:19
development, that are using the development as parking, cuz I feel that that's gonna be. 01:30:25
Yeah, and. 01:30:31
The the the applicants are are working with the staff right now and we're all perfect. Yeah, I assume they are because it would 01:30:34
hurt them with the parking study. This is a great condition. 01:30:39
While we're adding great conditions. 01:30:44
We've got one more that may not be absolutely necessary, but I don't see why you would be opposed to it, or why anyone would have 01:30:46
a problem with it. Is adding a condition around ensuring that they're meeting all. 01:30:51
EPA and Utah Environmental Quality requirements prior to occupancy. So if you're already there, great. If you're not, then yeah, 01:30:58
obviously no one should live there. So we do have the state and local laws all that. I don't know if that covers it. That's kind 01:31:04
of the catch all that we always put in there. But I know that, but we can call it out. Yeah. Yeah, I would like it specific just 01:31:10
because Tyler is not the only one that's brought that up. 01:31:16
And it can put people at ease by. 01:31:23
We're requiring this. You will not move forward until they prove that they've met those requirements, so. 01:31:27
OK DEQ. OK. 01:31:33
Are you OK? Are you OK with that language? 01:31:38
That looks good. You guys are OK with that. You guys are good with that. 01:31:42
Cool to have. 01:31:47
Sure. I will move to approve this site plan as requested by Bronson Tatten with Flagborough LLC, with the proposed conditions 01:31:50
including the new ones that we added up here on the screen. 01:31:56
Second, all in favor. 01:32:04
Aye. 01:32:06
All right. 01:32:07
Thank you guys so much. 01:32:08
All right. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure. 01:32:12
Not so much a report, but Nasim won't be surprised. I've got a question on just it looks like there's more activity now that the 01:32:20
roads have mostly been completed that the trail connecting to the station. 01:32:25
There's some progress there. Do you have an update on when that will be connected? I'm also asking on behalf of a neighbor of mine 01:32:31
who uses the train every day and rides his electric scooter back. And normally he likes to do it on the trail, but he has to 01:32:36
actually go in the bike lane. It's longer and less safe for him right now. Yes Sir. So we're working. 01:32:42
Complained the pipeline project to us throughout the city, I mean. 01:32:49
They're on their final phases. 01:32:55
The Mill Rd. which will which will make the connection over. 01:32:57
That area, that area underneath the vault doing the chlorination, in addition about Dominion energy. 01:33:01
Is fast tracking their designs in order to get their pipe gas pipe. 01:33:08
Along that same corridor. 01:33:15
Before we fix everything back up, we expect everything to be the construction portion of it to be complete by the end of the 01:33:18
calendar year, so December to account for a Dominion. 01:33:23
To account for Dominion energies work that they would that they're trying to OK, so likely this calendar year will not be able to 01:33:28
at least before the end of the calendar likely not be able to reach the train station from the southeast of the trail. Yes. And 01:33:33
then after that we're also gonna be. 01:33:37
We'll be realigning the trail, the connection that goes underneath the underpass. 01:33:43
And in order to. 01:33:50
Situate ourselves to for the future. 01:33:53
Tucker Rd. 01:33:56
That would that's that's anticipated to be given to the. 01:33:57
As well to provide some more space for the park use on that. So there'll be there's gonna be some substantial substantial but 01:34:00
changes along that even that connection. 01:34:05
OK. 01:34:10
Cool. Anything else from you guys? 01:34:11
Jeff Knighton, who was on the Planning Commission, previously invited me to. 01:34:15
Review some of his classes. His class is working on a project. 01:34:20
Designing what they think would be a cool Community Center in the Geneva Park, and it was just cool to see the designs and 01:34:25
nothing. None of those things are like, we're doing this like if the best one wins, we're going to build that. It's not anything 01:34:30
like that, but it was cool to see some of their ideas and like. 01:34:34
Be able to build off of that in the future for a potential Community Center or what we want to do with that area. So that was 01:34:40
cool. 01:34:43
Anything from staff? Yeah, I have quite a few things. First I want to thank Nasim in the public works staff for. 01:34:48
Working hard and getting some bus stops. 01:34:54
Put in throughout the city, you might have seen some lanes of traffic closed down while they've been working on that. 01:34:56
So we're really grateful to have those, finally. 01:35:01
As well as our parking master plan that's well underway right now. They're in the kind of data collection phase right now 01:35:33
examining our current conditions with signage with CUR. 01:35:38
And and looking at other areas that that could use some improvement. 01:35:45
We're also working on our stationary plan. We will be having a community open house, a virtual open house, I believe, on November 01:35:50
28. 01:35:54
Does that sound right? 01:36:00
So more information will come out from that. 01:36:01
OK. So but yeah, the stationary plan is essentially looking at a lot of East Geneva because a lot of. 01:36:09
You know the West side of the tracks, it's already been planned out. So we've used this as a way to really look into the zoning 01:36:15
and planning of the the east side of the railroad tracks. So that'll be a great opportunity for all of us to to kind of dig in 01:36:21
there and and look at what we want to see built up over there. But it's been exciting. We've had good cooperation from from UVU, 01:36:26
from the land owners to create a really comprehensive plan there. Are they going to allow an at grade crossing right there at the 01:36:32
track station like to the east side? 01:36:38
I don't know if they. 01:36:44
Sorry, I'm sorry. 01:36:49
Yeah, most likely it's going to be a bridge, OK. But potentially we have talked in the past about. 01:36:52
Go going underneath that would be more difficult, yeah. But yeah, most likely it's gonna gonna be a bridge. OK, so definitely not 01:37:01
in that grade. Kind of, yeah, not not that grade thing. The other thing too is the waterfront master plan. We are doing some 01:37:07
updates working with OJB. 01:37:14
Landscape Architects. 01:37:21
And it's essentially taking the existing master plan that we. 01:37:24
And taking it to the next level of design. 01:37:28
And our plan is to work with the county to get an. 01:37:32
As you know with the $3,000,000 grant that expires December, so we're working with the county and they it seems pretty positive 01:37:36
that we'll get it extended. 01:37:41
And and looking potentially for some inflationary costs. 01:37:45
So adding some more to account for all the. 01:37:50
And then gearing us up so that we can start working through the Army Corps because there's sort of two different phases and this 01:37:54
is somewhere we can do an update with the Planning Commission. This would be a good project for us to do a work session. 01:38:00
But there's uplands, so areas that fall outside of the wetlands and there's obviously areas within the wetlands. 01:38:06
So the idea is to move forward sooner with construction of items. 01:38:13
Outside of the. 01:38:17
And then you know trying to kind of concurrently work through the Army Corps so we can get things like that, the beach and the 01:38:19
Piers and those those things in place. So pretty exciting. But so the plan, I would say like all the merits of the plan are still 01:38:25
there, but it's kind of taking that conceptual level and saying okay in reality what what can we afford, what can we build. 01:38:31
But the plan still looks awesome, so we'll plan on doing an update probably, you know, or early. 01:38:38
Next year, probably January with the Commission. So great, awesome. 01:38:45
Anything from Is that it or Nasim you got something? 01:38:53
I just want to tell Cash that he's welcome. 01:38:57
In regards to the bus stop, ETA bus stops, Bus stops are going around for the UTA stops. Yeah, so vineyard cities. 01:39:00
Implementing the actual construction of those bus stops. But DTA has definitely been a. 01:39:10
Good partner, since they're paying for all the bus stops to be paths to be placed in. 01:39:15
On that, we felt that it was a great way to partner since we were able to. 01:39:19
Implement the construction faster than ETA would be able to. All that also talking about construction. 01:39:24
The for the for concrete. 01:39:32
We're expecting to get a schedule for from the contractor to start building the pedestrian refuge. 01:39:35
That crosses over Main Street and. 01:39:43
On the South side, on the South leg of their. 01:39:46
Crosswalk flashes have been ordered, however, with the lead times on flashers. 01:39:53
May not arrive due specifically for that. 01:39:59
In a timely manner, so we received 2. 01:40:05
For our other crosswalks that we've constructed the mid block crosswalks the one on. 01:40:09
Vineyard Vineyard Rd. That's across from Bridgeport. 01:40:16
Bridge. 01:40:20
As well as. 01:40:22
The crosswalk for Sarah St. with a pedestrian refuge there as well. Well, that one on Vineyard Rd. have a pedestrian refuge or is 01:40:25
that not planned? 01:40:28
No, that one won't. Yeah, let's say too late. It's in essence is A2 Lane Rd. 01:40:32
It's a two lane Rd. That would not require one. OK, yeah. 01:40:38
But center St. as A5 lane Rd. or four lane Rd. So which would the distance typical the typical distance for crossing? 01:40:42
That would require pedestrian refuge is roughly about anything greater than 60 feet. 01:40:51
That's when you start looking at doing a pedestrian refuge. It really depends on the speed, the speed limit of the road as well. 01:40:57
So yeah, I know that that was one idea that's been proposed also for 400 South, even though it's not a five lane Rd. is pedestrian 01:41:02
refuges there? If for nothing else, it kind of indicates. 01:41:07
Hey, slow down, this is a place for pedestrians. So currently with our flashers our locations for flashers. 01:41:13
Flashers were veneered Elementary and Lakeside Park is there's a school, there's a school crossing crosswalk right there. 01:41:24
We'll have flashers at that crosswalk. 01:41:33
We'll also have flashers for this going from South to north, flashers for Center Street right by Gavin Park where we put the 01:41:37
pedestrian refuge. 01:41:42
We'll have, we have flashes. 01:41:49
Vineyard Rd. 01:41:52
Just north of the. 01:41:55
Park area and bridge. 01:41:57
And we currently have Flash's plans for Grove Park. 01:42:00
On there as well, however, in light of what we're trying to do for 600 N and Main Street and the lead times for Flashers. 01:42:04
Aren't we expect to bypass Grove Park? 01:42:13
And use those flashers for the 600 N main. 01:42:17
Section on that because Grove Park is a well lit. 01:42:21
Prominent area. 01:42:27
And when we receive the Flashers, the new Flashers will have those installed for Grove Market. My two cents. Given the recent 01:42:28
recent events, it might be worth the city putting a social media post out sharing those plans right like we plan to put Flashers 01:42:34
in. 01:42:39
Crossover I I think it it would show that like you know you're taking action and this has been this has been yeah, I know it's in 01:42:45
the, but I I think it's a timely reminder that you know pedestrian safety is important and the city's taking action to improve and 01:42:52
keep sharing comments those kind of things. I appreciate that and it can't hurt, right. Like I think the city would appreciate or 01:42:58
residents would appreciate seeing that exactly and what we'll do is when we get the timeline from the contractor. 01:43:05
With these flashers. 01:43:12
Smart flashers. In essence, it's it's going to be they're wirelessly connected. 01:43:14
To apps and so forth. So when one is not working. 01:43:19
For for some reason, where it's not being activated or it's not, we're not receiving a signal anymore. 01:43:22
Then we'll be notified about that. So it's not, it's going to be more of a proactive maintenance. 01:43:27
Give us the more proactive maintenance, especially with snow season coming. 01:43:33
And the solar. And because they're all solar. 01:43:36
With this when snow covers this solar panels. 01:43:40
And the the flashers. 01:43:44
Because of that, will be no. We'll have notification that there's something wrong with it, and we'll immediately be able to go out 01:43:47
to take care of it. 01:43:49
Versus waiting for residents to tell us, hey, this is not working. 01:43:52
Because the because there's a chance that those residents may not be, it may not tell us as well, so. 01:43:55
So, so those are the updates on that and I'm sure that. 01:44:02
And then also the school zones, the school zone, the school, the reduced speed school zones will be receiving a very similar type 01:44:08
of system. 01:44:12
Where we'll be able to get notification before or excuse me at the time of any kind of malfunctions? 01:44:16
Will begin will be getting notification, so it's it's a good step in the right direction for everything. I do appreciate the 01:44:23
feedback. 01:44:26
Thank you, Nasim. 01:44:31
And real quick, cash, have you heard from? 01:44:32
I've actually been thinking a lot about this. I haven't had much luck with USPS, but I know Anthony. 01:44:37
Is working on building a relationship with together, so. 01:44:43
We'll see if he can get he's he's a lot smoother I'll be real so we'll see if we can go together and I I actually put it on my To 01:44:46
Do List again on this next e-mail all right for us to go see what we can do. 01:44:52
USPS They're slowly becoming like my Union Pacific. You know that. They just refuse to work with us on anything but. Sounds 01:44:59
accurate. We do want something, so I'll see what I can do. Cool. Thank you. All right. If there's nothing else. 01:45:05
Meeting adj. 01:45:12
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But I am calling on every elected official and member of staff, those appointed here today, but also residents as well, to step up 00:00:01
when it comes to safety. 00:00:05
If that means putting your phone away when you're driving. 00:00:10
If that means speaking up and notifying the city of dangerous areas, do it. 00:00:14
If that means pushing back on plans that you think are unsafe by design, do it. 00:00:20
The city is only as good as it is safe. It doesn't matter what amenities we have here if it's not safe for us to enjoy and think 00:00:27
about a lot of our population. 00:00:31
Is extremely young. Can't. 00:00:36
And we need to design the city for the most vulnerable. And sometimes that can be on both ends of the age spectrum. But it's a 00:00:41
very young city, and we need to make sure that we're OK with, you know, if we're not, if we're not OK with our children biking 00:00:46
from one end of the city to the other, it's because we designed it that way. 00:00:51
If we're not OK with. 00:00:57
You know, your grandma crossing the street at night. It's because we designed it that way and we've got opportunities to make it 00:01:00
better so. 00:01:03
Just calling on everyone to find ways to step up, however small or big your role may be. 00:01:07
And to keep that in mind, because nothing really matters if we're not safe here. 00:01:12
So with that, I'll say an opening pair, and then we'll do a Pledge of Allegiance. 00:01:17
Our Father in Heaven, we thank thee for the opportunity to gather together as a Planning Commission and as residents and staff 00:01:22
here in the city, we pray. 00:01:26
Guidance to know what's best for the city and also to keep safety a top priority. Please help us to be compassionate to. 00:01:30
All members of the of our community and that we. 00:01:38
Uh. 00:01:41
Be a reason why they like to be a part of this? 00:01:42
We say this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:01:45
All right, I'll stand. 00:01:48
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:01:52
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:56
One Nation under. 00:01:59
Indivisible with liberty and justice for. 00:02:02
All right. Thank you, Anthony. All right, we'll move into an open session. This is a time to make public comments for something 00:02:08
that is not on the agenda. If you would come up, state your name, just take a couple of minutes. If you have any questions, I'll 00:02:12
write down your questions and we'll go from there. 00:02:17
Sorry. 00:02:24
Thank you, Anthony, for those. 00:02:27
I too I am. I cannot ride, sorry. Can you just state your name for the record? 00:02:31
Vineyard resident, thank you. 00:02:36
I can't ride on the street anymore. I'm getting scared riding on the street myself in the full bike line. I'm riding on the 00:02:39
sidewalk. 00:02:42
Most of the time now, so I appreciate that we really all need to. 00:02:45
I just. 00:02:51
Ask Bryce. Last week at council meeting I had a. 00:02:53
Hearing. 00:02:57
Stating your concern about the parking that it's going to be. 00:02:58
Presented in the Planning Commission for this new development. 00:03:05
I'd like you to restate that and then I have a couple questions about one of the slides. 00:03:10
I'd like some clarification if I can ask that question. OK. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll open it up later for with the stuff on the 00:03:16
agenda. Alright. Thank you very much. Yep. 00:03:20
Harry Braxton, resident. I had a question about 300 W heading. 00:03:33
Is it? 00:03:40
Become an actual exit entrance for this. 00:03:41
Lake. 00:03:47
Area, or is it going to connect into this new development in any way or because the maps I've seen Don? 00:03:48
Show it and you ride up there and you don't see any evidence of it. Yeah, I can explain that to you. Did you have any other 00:03:58
questions or? 00:04:01
Well, there was one on parking 2.08 slots per. 00:04:06
Department. 00:04:11
If. 00:04:15
Residents are all there. Two cars? Where did guests park? 00:04:16
OK. I'll make sure I ask that when they give their presentation, OK. 00:04:21
Is there any other questions you had? OK, just real quick to answer your question about. 00:04:26
300 W. 00:04:32
That will come N the way it does now, and then turn over to the West, and then there will be a roundabout. 00:04:34
And then the roundabout can go up over the overpass that's being built, and that would go into the development there. But it will. 00:04:41
The Lake Rd. will also. 00:04:45
There will still be the Lake Rd. 00:04:50
Including the vineyard. 00:04:52
So 300 N will kind of do what it already does. Now how it goes forward and then makes that right turn. 00:04:54
And then right. 00:05:01
Correct. 00:05:05
Is. 00:05:06
Sorry, you're gonna have to sorry, I mean. 00:05:07
Yeah. 00:05:10
Is Lake Rd. going to be improved in any way so that it's an actual Rd. that 22 cars can? 00:05:12
Safely travel alone. So I'll turn that to engineering, but yet yes, that that road will be improved. I think we're just doing the 00:05:20
construction process getting through all that and then there there will actually be a lot of improvements on that road. There will 00:05:26
be parking on the road. There will be all sorts as we clean up the beachfront, that whole area will be improved. 00:05:33
All. 00:05:41
Good. 00:05:41
Hi, David Larae resident. 00:05:50
Thank you for those comments, Anthony. That's pretty true. 00:05:53
That concerns have been raised about that corner for a long time and nothing's been done about it. Hopefully now something will 00:05:57
get done. 00:06:00
I understand that it takes working with you dot and with the city of Orem who actually owns I guess the road there for partly good 00:06:04
part of it. 00:06:08
And I'm not sure that we how much of the Vineyard City owns that corner? 00:06:12
At all, so and. 00:06:17
It's been difficult because. 00:06:20
We're not one of the owners so but something needs to happen. 00:06:23
So anyway. 00:06:28
Thank you. 00:06:30
My question was. 00:06:32
And I realized this is on the agenda, but I'm pretty sure I won't get a chance to stand. I'm actually gonna open it up later if 00:06:34
you want. OK. I will open it up. I'm looking at. I'm looking at the average size of an apartment. Mm-hmm. And they're like 500 00:06:38
square feet. 00:06:42
Ish. 00:06:47
And you know, 1 bedrooms and so forth. I have a two-bedroom apartment, an accessory dwelling unit, my home. 00:06:48
And it's 1200 square feet and I have two. 00:06:54
Single young man. 00:06:59
And. 00:07:00
I don't see if you, I don't see how people believe on top of each other. If you try to do more than I understand how how people 00:07:03
would be able to live in that and how they're going to market that and make that work. So I I would love to hear how they their 00:07:08
business plan to make that functional because I just don't think that's going to fly. Yeah, I'll make sure I ask. Thanks. Thanks, 00:07:12
David. 00:07:17
My name is Tyler Hilton. I live in Edgewater. 00:07:30
Want to? 00:07:34
Solutions to prevent the next. 00:07:37
Anthony talked about the death that happened on Monday. 00:07:43
About a year ago, a child was also. 00:07:46
At roughly the same location on the same Rd. 00:07:49
Crack. Their skull was bleeding out of three parts of their brain and. 00:07:53
Nothing has been done, or at least not enough has been done to. 00:07:58
Prevent this. 00:08:02
Halloween is the deadliest day for pedestrians, particularly children. 00:08:04
Of the year in October is the deadliest month of. 00:08:08
Consistently so with that coming. 00:08:13
I would like to get some action immediately. 00:08:16
Getting financing and getting manpower to. 00:08:21
Rebuild an entire St. 00:08:24
Repave concrete, if that's what we need to do, whatever needs to be done with those kind of more permanent things. 00:08:26
That just has to take time, but when we're talking about. 00:08:32
The manpower needed to put hay bales and construction cones out there in the immediate term, I mean. 00:08:36
We have the bandpower. 00:08:43
Doesn't require much funds if you guys are having a problem with that. 00:08:46
I'm happy to volunteer funds and manpower if you want, but I think it will mostly be legal problems. 00:08:50
Kind of procedural, I know. We don't have a ton of control over or from what I'm told, we don't have time to control over it, but. 00:08:56
All we have to do is convince other people in the positions of power who do have control to do it so. 00:09:05
The Orem City Council meeting is coming up on, I believe, October 24th. 00:09:11
And if we are really of the opinion. 00:09:17
We do not have the control to put out, just put out hay bales. 00:09:20
Construction cones immediately with like the end of the week. 00:09:26
If we really do not have the legal control, then I would like to see all four of you and. 00:09:30
The missing member of the Planning Commission at that meeting I'm going to be. 00:09:36
Like, I want you guys to chew their heads off until they do something. 00:09:42
Because the clock is ticking for the next person, and it's next to an elementary school. 00:09:46
And kids can't drive. 00:09:52
Statistically speaking, it's probably going to be a kid. 00:09:54
Who was hit or killed next? It's probably gonna be soon or October and next year, and it could be anybody at any point. 00:09:57
It's not good to have anybody. 00:10:05
All you got to do is convince people. 00:10:09
That's all you got? 00:10:12
And it's hard to convince people, but we need to act now because the clock is ticking for the next person. 00:10:14
So I hope you'll join me at their meeting and I hope you do whatever you can from your positions and talk to our council members. 00:10:22
To get them to do whatever they can their positions to prevent the next one. Thanks. 00:10:30
Any other comments from the? 00:10:37
All right, seeing as there are none, we will move into work session item 3.1, the site plan for the downtown blocks 8 and 14. 00:10:40
Is it a work session or a business item? It says that it's a work session on the agenda. 00:10:53
Sorry, just one second. 00:11:03
Yeah. It should be business item though, where we can take that right. And at the bottom of the paragraph it does say the Planning 00:11:08
Commission will take appropriate action. Do we just need to make sure that we? 00:11:12
Um. 00:11:16
Can actually make some sort of, you know, motion at the end of this. 00:11:17
OK. I'll get on to the presentation here for blocks 8 and 14. This is the same blocks that we did review 2 weeks ago. 00:11:27
And we do have Flagborough representatives from Flagborough here as well to answer any questions. 00:11:35
I also have members from their architecture team joining us here on teams. 00:11:41
So they can hopefully clarify any questions that you have. I'll be brief here in my presentation. This is just our staff review of 00:11:47
these two blocks and to give you guys a little bit more idea of the location and what these buildings look. 00:11:53
So what we're going to be going over tonight is blocks 8 and 14 of the. 00:11:59
This shows a context map as well as the two blocks. 00:12:04
And the related parking that are being reviewed? 00:12:08
So I'll start with Block 8. You can see that right here with the parking located to the east of it along Main St. 00:12:12
Here are some elevations. 00:12:20
These were once again the ones that we reviewed last. 00:12:23
And all of these will have the interior courtyards, And so that's the elevations shown here from the inside of the building, what 00:12:29
it will look like. 00:12:33
Here's Block 14 so you can see more parking off to the east as well as off to the north. 00:12:38
And the elevations for this building. 00:12:44
As well as the. 00:12:51
And then here is that same table from last time that goes over the number of units that are going to be built out as well as the 00:12:54
parking. So you can see in in both of the buildings they are providing adequate parking, It is this temporary parking. 00:13:00
But they are building over the required amount from the downtown code. 00:13:07
And then here are the conditional approval and this is my last slide. After this, we can turn it over to the Flag Bureau for any 00:13:13
questions that you guys may have. 00:13:16
So these are the three conditions. The first two are ones that we attached all of them that they're paying the outstanding fees or 00:13:20
making redline corrections. 00:13:24
That they are subject to all federal, state and local laws and then this. 00:13:28
Is a condition of approval that we're including because of the the downtown code requires, after 500 certificate certificates of 00:13:33
occupancy are issued, that a parking study needs to be done. 00:13:38
And the parking numbers will be adjusted for the downtown. According to that parking study, the first two blocks that are under 00:13:43
construction right now will bring them to, I think just over 450 units. 00:13:48
And so before these buildings are able to come online with certificates occupancy, we've put in a condition here that says prior 00:13:54
to any issuance of occupancy of any units and blocks 8 and 14, additional parking as required in the parking study shall be 00:13:59
provided. 00:14:04
A parking study shall be conducted 3 months following the certificate of occupancy of blocks 5:00 and 6:00. 00:14:09
If the parking study indicates that the larger amount of parking is needed to satisfy the demand of those. 00:14:15
Then the parking requirements of blocks 8 and 14 and future blocks shall be increased to meet the demand shown in the parking 00:14:20
study. 00:14:23
Any changes in parking shall require an amended site. 00:14:27
So with that, I can turn it over to Flagborough for any questions you guys may have. 00:14:31
Brunton, is there any slide that you may want me to go to? 00:14:40
Do you have the packets? 00:14:45
That we sent over uploaded. Those are probably the if you go to like the 8 and 14 we can just run through those it's. 00:14:48
Same slides, a couple of additional slides, just slides based on comments that were made. 00:14:56
Two weeks ago, maybe we can go over. 00:15:02
Slides that you saw last week, we can just kind of breeze through those. 00:15:05
If there's any questions that. 00:15:09
We sent over the bike plan that came. 00:15:12
In the last meeting we could start there actually. OK, I'll pull that up cash if you can find that. 00:15:16
And Anthony would just echo your same thought from earlier. We've been thinking a lot about that. 00:15:23
My wife and I talked about that and our hearts go out to the family. 00:15:31
It's a terrible. 00:15:35
OK, so this is this is the overall kind of circulation of. 00:15:40
Of Utah City. So starting with maybe the light blue line, that's the vineyard connector just to kind of get oriented. 00:15:46
To the right of the page is South, to the left is north. 00:15:55
You can see the train station labeled in that box there, so the. 00:15:59
You got the vineyard connector that comes through the yellow lines along the railroad and the yellow line along the lake. Those 00:16:03
are. 00:16:07
Multi use regional. 00:16:11
And then you're seeing the interior streets are colored like a darker blue. 00:16:14
And those are just the primary streets. 00:16:20
You see a. 00:16:24
Yeah, there's dedicated bike lanes on those on the darker blue streets. 00:16:27
And then? 00:16:34
The roadway that you see with a dashed. 00:16:36
Green line, that's. 00:16:40
The elevated separated bike lane. 00:16:42
That we've been showing in blocks 8 and 14. 00:16:46
And we can show sections of what those look like. 00:16:51
And then we also added in those larger circles are kind of The Walking radiuses. Those are about 5 minute walks. 00:16:54
And then the orange lines are the solid orange are Paseos or those pedestrian streets? 00:17:02
That are going through the blocks. Those are the ones that are already planned and. 00:17:09
That we've present. 00:17:15
8 and 14 are kind of. They're kind of in the center of that map. 00:17:19
And then all the dashed orange lines. 00:17:24
Are there proposed? 00:17:28
Or paseos that we've planned in the rest of the community. They just haven't been. 00:17:29
Yet. 00:17:36
And then? 00:17:38
Arrows are overpasses, so Bryce was talking about the one overpass. 00:17:40
Over the vineyard connector that the. 00:17:47
Promenade St. will go up and over. 00:17:51
The vineyard connector and tie in with 300. 00:17:54
I think that was one of those questions and. 00:17:58
300 W comes down around the promenade, hits around about like Bryce was saying, and then it runs. 00:18:02
North up to 1600. 00:18:08
Any questions on that? 00:18:15
Or we can. I can keep going to cash if you want to. 00:18:21
Yeah, while we're, while we're. 00:18:27
Then we don't have to go back and forth. Did you guys have any questions? 00:18:30
Yes, any What's the estimated lane count on the overpass? 00:18:37
Two vehicular lanes and then there's a bike lane. 00:18:42
Adjacent to that on the Northside of the bridge is like a large. 00:18:46
Like I think a 20 or 22 foot wide pedestrian. 00:18:51
So it connects both of the parks on the north side of the Promenade Rd. 00:18:55
So that side of the bridge is wider. 00:19:01
For the pedestrian. 00:19:04
There is pedestrian access on the South side of the bridge as well. 00:19:05
Yeah. 00:19:12
I mean one of the important things, Nate Hutchinson, one of the developers, one of the important things with the plan all along 00:19:13
was to connect. 00:19:17
I stood up too fast. I'm going to faint and they have a little bird pressure in it. Here we go. Happens all the time, so don't 00:19:20
worry. Under underneath the bridge and where where the trail is. We've made sure to tie all the trails of the southern part of the 00:19:26
community into the into Utah city and so. 00:19:32
One thing that's really important to us is being able to get people like we talked before, either walking or biking or on electric 00:19:39
bike or scooters into the community without having to cross. 00:19:44
Major roads. And so I think if you spin back to that other plan, one of the large parts of the bridge. 00:19:50
About half of the bridge is a pedestrian only. 00:19:57
And I think that was your question. You're referring to this one, that one here, yes. 00:20:01
Yeah, So and that that trail, the shoreline trail will come up and. 00:20:05
And it will be able to kind of tie back into this. 00:20:10
And we'll make sure that that is a very pedestrian friendly area. And then on the other side you have the underpass obviously that 00:20:13
goes under and that trail that's along the tracks runs all the way up. 00:20:18
And that's something we'd like to talk to the city about. That's probably not for this meeting, but improving that trail on the. 00:20:24
On the train side, against the tracks and making that a little bit better and maybe a little bit wider so that you can get more 00:20:33
options versus just walking or biking, maybe you could. 00:20:38
You know, there's some other ideas we have of maybe some golf carts and things. 00:20:43
Kind of going back and forth all the time so people can get over there and then get up into Utah City easily without having to get 00:20:48
in their car and. 00:20:52
But not having to bike or walk the whole distance, it's another concept and idea we'd like to explore. 00:20:57
Not tonight, though. 00:21:05
All right. Yeah. Do you want to jump over? 00:21:10
Let's see, are you on block eight? Yeah. So this shows both those blocks and that same St. network that. 00:21:16
That's actually to make the transition into the blocks we're looking at today. 00:21:24
On the right hand side. 00:21:29
Kind of the Peach ish color. 00:21:31
You see block 8 and 14. 00:21:34
Those are the two blocks we're looking at tonight. 00:21:37
And those are. 00:21:42
The main The primary street or bike way is the one that's going north. 00:21:44
And then the orangish color, that's one of the side streets. 00:21:49
And then the dashed lines are the paseos or those pedestrian streets running through those blocks. 00:21:54
Did you have any questions? Well, the only questions I was going to ask were basically reiterating some of the residents 00:22:11
questions. So I don't know when I get into that right now or. 00:22:16
Go through other plans, Yeah. Or did you want to go through anything else besides the bike planner? Yeah, we. 00:22:21
We can go through 8 and 14. Some of the people here maybe haven't seen them. We can just go through them really quick, yeah. 00:22:27
Oh, it's not displaying. 00:22:40
I know we've got Janet with Nelson online. 00:22:43
But I didn't see if. 00:22:47
If Evan or Lauren. 00:22:48
Evans here. Evans. 00:22:53
Lawrence. 00:22:55
Great. 00:22:57
And Brandon's here. Oh, Brandon Made. 00:22:58
Yep. So Janet and Evan are with Nelson. 00:23:02
The architectural team and then Brandon and Lauren are with Dig Studio, who's our landscape architect. 00:23:06
On. 00:23:13
And Evan, we did have a question. When we get to the elevations like the 2D elevations, I think we mislabeled. 00:23:15
I think we put South and West. 00:23:23
On all of them. 00:23:27
So when we get there. 00:23:30
Thought I got you an updated one. OK, yeah, you you may have gotten me an updated one, but I don't. I didn't. I don't think I got 00:23:32
it to cash in time. 00:23:36
OK. So I'll clarify any questions. OK. Thanks, Evan. 00:23:43
So this is where block 8 sits in the overall. 00:23:46
Utah City. 00:23:52
Here's the kind of the landscape rendering. 00:23:56
So this is showing a couple other buildings that we haven't brought forward yet, 10A and 13C. 00:23:59
We're still working on those plans, so those will come at a later date, but 8A and 14B? 00:24:05
You can see those in there. 00:24:11
This is the more detailed site plan of Block. 00:24:13
And then Evan here you can clarify if these are. 00:24:20
The correct labels on the elevations. 00:24:24
And actually, Evan, if you kind of want to walk through these elevations and kind of describe materials, that would be awesome. 00:24:27
Yeah, these are incorrectly labeled. The top one is actually the north elevation. 00:24:33
And the bottom one is the east elevation. 00:24:39
So yeah. 00:24:43
Basically what we're working with with materials. I'm going to start from the. 00:24:45
On the South. 00:24:50
On the right hand side, you know we have the red brick. 00:24:52
The units are in red brick over a retail base. 00:24:56
With the stone tile finish on the the facade of the retail base. 00:25:01
Just to kind of separate the two and kind of helped you know what's what's what and then as you go to the east from there we have 00:25:07
stucco. 00:25:11
And then another stucco volume with these brick the the, the lighter beige color is brick. 00:25:17
Protrusions. And so there's a covered porch on the ground floor and covered patios. 00:25:25
On the second, third floor, on the 4th floor that the top of the brick volume is is a patio or a balcony space. 00:25:31
For the 4th. 00:25:39
And then from there you can see the dark. 00:25:41
That's our. 00:25:44
Entry. So it's just a simple roll up door for the trash and that's going to be a metal door in. 00:25:46
Darker stucco material. 00:25:54
And then above that is a light. 00:25:57
For those units above the three units. 00:26:00
Moving E, we also have another building that's white stucco with another stone tile base just around the bottom. 00:26:04
And then as you turn. 00:26:13
What's labeled as the West Ele? 00:26:14
Is actually the east elevation. 00:26:17
And that's that same building there on the right, that's that same portion with the stucco in the stone. 00:26:19
And then we have. 00:26:24
Pushed back inside the courtyard we have. 00:26:27
With a stone tile. 00:26:31
And then you'll see another red brick volume. 00:26:34
To the South. So one thing that's kind of hard to see in a 2D elevation like this is this is the alcove piece. So there's a little 00:26:37
we're looking. 00:26:41
At a set back, the center portion is set back. 00:26:45
From the right and left sides. 00:26:49
There. 00:26:52
So there's a little courtyard in that space. 00:26:54
So basically you're standing where it says east and you're looking back at the building. 00:26:59
So then I'll come around to the South here. Now these are correctly labeled. 00:27:06
Uh, starting on the right hand side you have that red brick, that same red brick volume. 00:27:10
And then a series of. 00:27:15
You know different expressions in stucco with a stone base. 00:27:17
And these are the more traditional elevations, so we have stucco stone based and then a precast concrete details so that the 00:27:23
corners up top. 00:27:28
And various cornices and details on the facade would be in precast concrete. 00:27:33
To match. 00:27:38
You got a mansard roof section here in the middle and then all the way to the West. 00:27:41
We have another master group section with precast details over. 00:27:46
More of a brown brick and a stone base. 00:27:51
And then we come around on the West. 00:27:56
With that same mantra, roof with the brown brick stone. 00:27:59
And then there's a little transitional. 00:28:03
Facade type. 00:28:06
With that's going to be a fiber cement lap siding. 00:28:08
And a dark. 00:28:12
And that's where we start to get into the residential lobby here. 00:28:15
And then we're back around to the West side with the red brick over the stone tile. 00:28:19
And right there, where the cursor is at, that's the entry to the lobby, the residential lobby. 00:28:26
Then we have a passage that gets you into the courtyard. 00:28:31
From that street. 00:28:35
And then a retail space that could be divided into. 00:28:38
And you can see the umbrella sitting out there outside the retail. 00:28:45
And then? 00:28:50
Inside the courtyards, it's. 00:28:52
Simple stucco facade with stone tile. 00:28:56
Much like the northeast corner of the building that we saw earlier. 00:29:00
That wrapped around that E courtyard. 00:29:05
Here's a few 3D rendering perspectives. This is the northwest corner that retail space. 00:29:12
And the. 00:29:20
Units. 00:29:22
Here you can see how it interacts with the street and then moving to the South of that is the southwest corner. This is along the 00:29:26
Paseo where the paseo beats Concord. 00:29:31
Kitty corner from the park and real quick let me hop in here. Another thing with this elevation is this will always be seen from 00:29:37
the promenade. 00:29:40
Long term, so we've tried to. 00:29:45
Thoughtful in where we're investing a lot of the dollars on the exterior, this is obviously that's a very expensive elevation for 00:29:47
the type of building this is. 00:29:51
But since that's so prominent from the promenade. 00:29:56
We wanted it always to have that incredible view. And as you look at other parts of the building, you'll say, oh, stucco or 00:29:59
whatever, but that long term will either get covered up by other buildings or you have a courtyard that takes more of the focus. 00:30:04
So we've tried to really be intentional about where we're investing on the elevator. I mean, I know that's not part of the code, 00:30:09
but just as an FYI as you look through this, that's why some of these elevations and points are a little bit different than 00:30:14
others. 00:30:19
Yeah, so this particular view, if you can remember the promenade, it's this long linear. 00:30:26
Piece of open space that connects the train station to the. 00:30:32
So when you're in the. 00:30:35
The largest block, we call it block five of the promenade. 00:30:38
You're in the north northeast corner. This is the building that you see from that park. 00:30:42
Go ahead, Evan. 00:30:54
OK. Yeah. As you move east on that Paseo, you know we have some units with some, some really nice. 00:30:55
And covered porches. 00:31:02
Out here along with PASE. 00:31:05
This is that S elevation with the the stone base and the stucco above with the the casting or the precast concrete details. 00:31:08
And it's just moving farther to the east, southeast corner with the red brick. 00:31:21
Kind of coming back and booke. 00:31:26
The the building with the with the other side. 00:31:30
And this is going to be kind of a terminus point of another paseo. So it's kind of kind of an axis is going to be kind of head on 00:31:33
on this and that's kind of why we. 00:31:37
Speak into what Nate was talking about. That's kind of what we wanted to do is have a little bit, you know, more important 00:31:41
elevation for these Terminus points. 00:31:46
And all of these units that we have ground floor. 00:31:53
That are kind of the how the ground floor unit interacts with the space with the street or the paseo outside is very important to 00:31:57
the project. If anything that's like the most important part of the project. 00:32:03
So there's been a lot of time and caretaking into, you know, how the building hits the ground and what happens there and what kind 00:32:09
of spaces we're providing for. 00:32:13
At that. 00:32:19
So the next slide is. 00:32:25
Again, back inside that E courtyard, you can see how that red brick volume kind of wraps around and we have some covered 00:32:27
balconies. 00:32:31
There on the corner of that and how they interact in that courtyard space which is open to the public. 00:32:35
Thought it would be nice to have a big large tree in the middle there. 00:32:42
In the gathering space. 00:32:45
Oh, sorry, Lanza, there we go. That. 00:32:55
And then this is as we come out on the other side. So this is that street that runs east, West to the north of the building and we 00:32:59
have that. 00:33:03
The white stucco. 00:33:09
Portion with the stone tile. 00:33:10
You can kind of see how these units are interacting with the street a little bit differently than they were on the Paseo side, 00:33:13
right? 00:33:16
And then once we get to the West down the street you can see you know these these spaces along the street are going to provide. 00:33:22
For a very active, lively streetscape, where? 00:33:29
You're going to want to walk down this street. You know, it's a it's a lively urban environment. 00:33:34
With these private patio spaces right along. 00:33:40
OK. 00:33:47
Thanks, Evan. 00:33:49
You want to just keep clicking through some of these? 00:33:51
So let's get into the details. 00:33:55
These are those are some of the more detailed landscape plans. 00:33:58
Some of the site furnishing that we're. 00:34:01
On block. 00:34:04
Keep going. 00:34:13
Let's stop here real quick. So this. 00:34:15
What's in green is the promenade. 00:34:18
Yeah, that corner you were just pointing at cash. That was the corner we were talking about if you were standing in in Block five 00:34:21
of the promenade looking back to Building 8. 00:34:25
Mansard roof elevation. 00:34:32
And when we get into 14, when we show 14. 00:34:35
Part of the idea on. 00:34:39
Intersection of streets is. 00:34:41
You saw that retail corner on Block. 00:34:43
It's replicated on block 14 and then the plan is on block 10 and 13 there would be retail spaces. So this becomes a retail node. 00:34:47
With each of those corners of the building having a retail space. 00:34:56
There were some questions. 00:35:09
The streets that. 00:35:12
That we're designing in here this is. These are the cross sections of the different streets. So this is. 00:35:14
Concord St. Where you're seeing the separated bike lane. 00:35:21
You've got the travel lanes in the middle. 00:35:25
One way and in each direction one travel lane, in each direction a parking lane. 00:35:28
And then there's a buffer for the door swing. 00:35:33
Of the car that's parked and then your. 00:35:35
Is on the outside of that and then a. 00:35:38
Planting buffer and then the sidewalk and then the building. 00:35:43
Plan view of that. 00:35:50
And then some perspectives of that condition. 00:35:54
And then this is one of the side streets. 00:35:59
So we've got the two travel lanes in. 00:36:02
Parking lane on each side. 00:36:05
And then the planting buffer goes right up against the curb in this street section. 00:36:07
And then the. 00:36:12
And then the. 00:36:14
This is an FYI too. In cities, people typically ignore. 00:36:25
I stood up again. Too fast, man. I gotta slow that down. 00:36:31
In cities, people typically drive. 00:36:35
What's comfortable? 00:36:38
As a speed, not anything to do with what the speed limit. 00:36:39
So on the. 00:36:43
You know this is what research shows on the freeway and highways. You you know, you typically notice what it is. You'll set your 00:36:45
cruise control, whatever. But in cities? 00:36:48
People just drive how comfortable the road is. So the wider you make your roads, the wider you make your lanes, the faster people 00:36:52
will drive no matter what you put the speed limit at. So this you can see that this road is purposefully designed to slow traffic 00:36:57
down. You have 10 feet in each direction, so if somebody else is coming the same direction, there's enough friction there that 00:37:03
you're you're looking around and you're slowing down and that's going to keep keep speeds slower in this community then you'll 00:37:08
find in other places. 00:37:13
Maybe it's a stop here just for a second. So this is showing those kind of those four retail corners. 00:37:28
And this is where we're proposing to lift. 00:37:34
The intersection up to the sidewalk grade, so we term this a tabletop. 00:37:38
So the. 00:37:44
As the bike is traveling through its lane, it stays at the same elevation across the intersection. 00:37:45
Yeah, just right where. 00:37:51
Showing. 00:37:53
Curs. 00:37:54
And so then. 00:37:56
Vehicle you'll. 00:37:58
And you'll ramp up to this elevation in the intersection. 00:38:00
So another means of slowing the cars down. 00:38:04
In this kind of application. 00:38:09
Would that be a four way stop? 00:38:12
Yeah, OK. Yeah, I think they are showing line signs. 00:38:14
And then just perspective view of coming in toward that intersection, you can see how that intersection is kind of ramped up the 00:38:23
car sitting on the table top. 00:38:26
This is that retail kind of how the retail space works. 00:38:33
With the Inter. 00:38:36
Kind of how that feels. 00:38:38
These are the lighting options that we've. 00:38:40
We've chosen for these blocks and it looks like some of our images aren't coming through. 00:38:44
They're just Gray boxes. 00:38:48
So on the far left, that's the planned street light. 00:38:55
And then there's some kind of these accent string lights. 00:38:58
The cantonary light, which is another light that's on. 00:39:03
A. 00:39:06
And then the tree moon lighting we talked about that last time instead of up lighting into the. 00:39:08
Which is kind of frowned upon for dark skies. We put the light up in the tree so it kind of makes the canopy glow. 00:39:12
And kind of gives you that same effect of an. 00:39:18
And then? 00:39:21
Just the. 00:39:23
Parking lights. 00:39:25
Temporary surface parking lights. 00:39:27
And then Courtyard's Lauren, do you? 00:39:31
Run us through this courtyard. 00:39:33
Sure, Yeah. So each courtyard has kind of their own unique theme and different amenities. All of these courtyards will be 00:39:37
accessible by any of their residents, so they can kind of share the amenities. This one here is really focused on having an open 00:39:44
flex line. 00:39:50
And then using the lounge seating kind of as you would on the edge of a pool, but really on the edge of grass here, just to 00:39:56
provide a comfortable space to kind of sit out in the sun but also have some shade with the trees in there and overlook whatever 00:40:02
is happening on the lawn and then. 00:40:07
On our opposite quarter, there is an outdoor grill kitchen station. 00:40:14
Right. 00:40:19
I think there's a couple different. 00:40:23
Images, yeah. If you flip through you can see it. You can see in there proposing some string lighting throughout here as well. 00:40:26
And then this is that alcove space, we kind of got a little bit of a view of this from the architectural rendering as well. So you 00:40:37
can see those the stoop areas adjacent to the units. So those are. 00:40:43
Private spaces for those units to be used and then centrally there's some shared. 00:40:50
Movable seating as well as a big specimen tree with some string lights. And then that building you see there can act as a pavilion 00:40:56
and maybe at a later phase, some sort of retail space or rentable space. 00:41:04
For. 00:41:13
This is a look down, one of those paseos into that alcove. Look from the stoop into the alcove. 00:41:18
And then this is the southern side, so it's the another one of the Paseo connections you can see here just a similar. 00:41:35
Design theory of providing A separation between the pedestrian space there and the private courtyards for the unit. So there's a 00:41:45
little bit of a grade separation there. 00:41:50
There's at least a 12 foot pass through here for pedestrians and cyclists to to move through, but then also. 00:41:56
Some artificial turf areas for some more passive. 00:42:03
Open. 00:42:08
So this is on the Concord St. looking down that Paseo. So building 8A is on our left and the building on the right is just a 00:42:10
future. 00:42:14
And then I think this is just the fire access plan. 00:42:25
That's all. That's all. 00:42:34
OK, so then block 14. 00:42:36
We can spin through this. 00:42:39
Yeah, so this is the where Block 14 sits. 00:42:43
In the overall. 00:42:48
You can see where the building sits and then the temporary surface parking lots around it. 00:42:50
Janet, do you want to go through these elevations quickly? 00:43:01
Sure. I mean I can go through them pretty quickly. Similar material palette as block 8. 00:43:05
And just keeping in mind that at the pedestrian level meeting, the first floor is kind of where we're emphasizing. 00:43:12
Materials. So you're going to see a variation of Br. 00:43:18
Stone. 00:43:21
Materials being used. 00:43:23
And then at the corners of the project also elevating the materials. So like on that right hand N elevation you've got brick. 00:43:24
Going up to 4. 00:43:33
And then you have stucco above. 00:43:35
In that N elevation in the middle that darker Gray is. 00:43:37
And then you have brick kind of in the. 00:43:43
So it's just a similar idea, similar palette. 00:43:46
Items like stucco, you know, kind of a less expensive material are used higher up on the building. 00:43:51
And then kind of also in the interior courtyards. 00:43:58
Where it's not, as you know, seen by the public. 00:44:02
And if you, you know, if you kind of go even on that east elevation, everything on the 1st floor is going to be either a brick. 00:44:07
Or stone material, at least the majority of. 00:44:14
And if you go? 00:44:18
Janet, I gotta say something here because it's gonna bug me. Too bad. 00:44:20
We're not doing that red stucco there. That's got to go, Brick. 00:44:24
Unfortunately, Mac and Jeff aren't here to rein me in, so we're going to go brick on all the way out. We can't do red stucco, 00:44:28
that's just not going to look good, so. 00:44:33
Let's make that change, please. 00:44:39
I don't have any problem with that. 00:44:44
Yeah, and if you just go to the next page. 00:44:48
That top one there is kind of the conc. 00:44:53
I'm sorry, is. 00:44:56
South elevation. The West elevation is. 00:44:58
So if we focus on the West one first sort of in the middle of that elevation. 00:45:02
You see the lobby to the res. 00:45:07
To the right of that, that's just kind of shown as a white block is the passageway into the interior courtyard. 00:45:10
And then on the right hand side is the ret. 00:45:16
Kind of what was spoken of before that this is. 00:45:20
The corner on block. 00:45:23
But like you're kind of forming that retail? 00:45:26
And then you know, as we notice on the left hand side, that red brick is red brick all the way up. No stucco. 00:45:30
And you know again opposite Cor. 00:45:38
And the Major? 00:45:43
Of the building is brick with some stucco areas. 00:45:45
But most of the stucco being on kind of the higher portions of the building. 00:45:50
And again, the Gray that you're looking at is a metal panel. 00:45:54
But just emphasizing the 1st. 00:45:59
Kind of the elevated materials in here when you're looking at the different Courtyard Elev. 00:46:03
This is where we do. 00:46:08
You know, stucco on the higher. 00:46:11
And some. 00:46:14
Brick or stone in in different. 00:46:16
At just at the. 00:46:20
Again, here is the. 00:46:25
You're kind of looking at the northwest corner. 00:46:27
Kind of down the right hand side of that rendering is where you have the entrance into. 00:46:31
For the res. 00:46:38
And then kind of the far right side is the ret. 00:46:40
This is just a close up view of the entrance for the residences. 00:46:49
OK. 00:46:55
And this is the view looking at the. 00:46:58
And I guess in that previous view and if you wanted to go back one real quick. 00:47:04
Yeah, you can kind of see in the background there. That's the building 8. 00:47:10
Retail that would happen on that corner. 00:47:15
So that's where. 00:47:17
Retail node. 00:47:19
And then you're just kind of getting some close up views of that ground floor? 00:47:27
As kind of Evan mentioned, each of the ground floor units does have kind of. 00:47:32
Stoop area that they're expected to put. 00:47:38
Their own furniture. We are matching the site. 00:47:42
In those areas, using the same material that we're using on the. 00:47:45
For those site walls that are kind of performing those. 00:47:51
Well, I think there's. 00:47:57
Couple more. 00:47:59
Looking at if you're on the Northside, you're kind of seeing the east courtyard. 00:48:02
Which is that open courtyard in the. 00:48:08
And then you know you're seeing Stoops for the residences right in the foreground for you. 00:48:11
And then this is just the opposite corner, so you're at the northeast corner of the building here. 00:48:22
North of our building is the pedestrian Paseo that passes through. So that's the people that you're kind of seeing on that side. 00:48:28
And just a close up along that Northside of. 00:48:40
And you can kind of see the site walls having the similar material to what's on the building. 00:48:46
So if it's stone on the building or. 00:48:51
The walls, the form of students having the same material. 00:48:55
And the railings matching on. 00:48:59
On the site wall and again just a close up of you know, closer up view. 00:49:01
Of the same area that we just talked about. 00:49:07
Thanks, Janet. We can. 00:49:19
Talk about the courtyards on Block 14. 00:49:21
Yeah, so this is. 00:49:26
Of rendering a plan, rendering of that block 14 I think if you go to the next page. 00:49:29
We'll get. 00:49:37
I think we're going to flip through some of the more. 00:49:43
Site drawings before we get to the. 00:49:47
The theme for the. 00:49:51
Courtyard. 00:49:54
Block 14. 00:49:55
Is to have. 00:49:57
Thanks, Kash. You're doing a great job. It's on page 100, cash. 00:50:04
Maybe we're not. There we go. This is what I was looking for. Great. So the theme for this one is to have this kind of forest. 00:50:11
Like escape or a little atmosphere here, so having. 00:50:19
Treehouse play zone in the middle, so also more oriented towards families that have kids here. 00:50:25
A hammock space and then also some smaller seating areas. 00:50:30
Including one with a fire pit for multiple gathering areas if you go to the next slide. 00:50:35
The page right before that showed up. This is that hammock space utilizing some artificial turf. Oh yeah, perfect. 00:50:40
So you can see how the landscape and the hardscape kind of just filter into each. 00:50:48
Bringing a little bit more of a softness and an organic feel to this courtyard. 00:50:53
Here's a couple of perspectives of what those spaces can look like, trying to use as many native plants as we can. 00:51:01
To create that lush. 00:51:09
But still being. 00:51:12
Still being cognizant of the environ. 00:51:16
And then this is a good slide to see how the block 8 and block 14 paseo connects here. So having a mid block crossing here with 00:51:24
some landscape full about. 00:51:29
Enhanced signage and some high visibility markings across that secondary St. 3rd St. there for the pedestrian access from Block 8 00:51:36
to Block 14. 00:51:42
And then this is the block 14 alcove, so similar to block 8, it's the same, about the same size space but using a. 00:51:55
More artificial TARP firms and also having a little platform for some sort of informal. 00:52:05
Music, fence or a stage for the residents to use. 00:52:11
A couple of different views of that also loss. 00:52:19
And then this is that North Paseo using that same design from the courtyard where with more of a filtered landscape and hardscape 00:52:29
look. Also having space for an art exhibit along here. 00:52:35
And then integrating plants along those edges. 00:52:43
To create some privacy between the Stoops and the pedestrian. 00:52:46
Basically, yeah. A couple more. 00:52:54
OK, well, that was, that was a lot of information. 00:52:59
Happy to answer any questions that you might have. Oh. 00:53:02
I guess we could kind of walk through this parking management plan that was something that came out from last time. 00:53:06
Maybe go to slide two there this one. 00:53:11
It's kind of small. Can you zoom in on that a little bit? So the image on the right is just. 00:53:16
That's our overall master plan of Utah City. 00:53:22
But here are some of the parking management like best practice practices that we plan on implementing. 00:53:27
Kind of like we talked about last time. 00:53:32
Each of these buildings will have a property manager. 00:53:35
Umm. 00:53:39
Some of the controls on parking. 00:53:39
In place at time of when people are signing their lease so they'll know. 00:53:42
Exactly what the rules are at that time. 00:53:47
We'll plan on evaluating, you know, the data in the parking data. 00:53:52
At the time referred to by. 00:53:58
In his presentation. 00:54:01
On this one. 00:54:11
I mean, we've talked a lot about this before. I think what you see in your city where there are parking issues, it's because. 00:54:14
It's not an overall monitored parking plan you have. 00:54:23
Units that have been sold to people and they'll rent them to a bunch of people that either live in their basement or they'll rent 00:54:28
them to a bunch of students. 00:54:32
And so if you have a plan, you know was brought up earlier, what if you have two units? 00:54:36
Two stalls per unit. What do the guests do? We've planned for guest parking, it's just we won't give. 00:54:41
We won't have the issue of all of these different people living in the units with cars because we'll monitor it every night and if 00:54:47
they don't have a parking pass, they'll get towed. 00:54:51
And that's the simplest way you do it. You could, you can plan for parking very, very efficiently as long as you have an overall 00:54:57
plan that does it. It becomes an issue when you have an HOA that sells a bunch of units off and then people are kind of monitoring 00:55:03
things on their own and there will be a lot of for sale units here as well. We will sell condos and townhomes etcetera. 00:55:09
However we'll do this, we'll have to monitor it the exact same way, and it will be part of this overall cohesive parking plan. 00:55:16
That's kind of on parking. The other question I think David brought up was you know the size of the units. We do have some smaller 00:55:22
units. 00:55:25
The average size is not 500 overall but but there are some smaller. 00:55:28
That's just because not everyone in the world is as fortunate to live in Davidde basement. He only has room for two, so there's a 00:55:33
lot of those people who. 00:55:37
Who would prefer to have their own space and there's a big demand and actually in our market right now for young professionals 00:55:42
that. 00:55:45
Can't afford the larger units in Utah County has an excess of two and three bedroom units and not a lot of smaller units. So the 00:55:49
bigger units are coming. We are designing plans right now to David's point that are larger, but there is a demand for those 00:55:54
smaller units. 00:55:59
And you know, we're hoping our business plan is right. Quick question, quick question. 00:56:07
Support. 00:56:16
I. 00:56:18
So I did have a question as far as the street parking and public parking. 00:56:21
When is the when are the streets going to be handed over to the city as far if the city is going to manage them? Or are you guys 00:56:28
planning on managing the public parking or how as long as as long as they're private will be managing those, but when? 00:56:34
When or if we turn those over to the city? 00:56:41
There. We're working through that agreement right now. 00:56:45
Attorneys are. 00:56:49
OK. Nate has a little bit more insight to that, but that as soon as we come to an agreement there, that's when. 00:56:51
We'll know you know which streets. 00:56:57
Public. Which ones are private? OK, but if they are, If they do. 00:56:59
Or whether it's us or the. 00:57:05
A plan will have to be in place but it'll be managed and I would imagine that our property manager. 00:57:08
Of that building, we'll be able to help Mon. 00:57:14
Maybe monitor is the wrong word to use? 00:57:18
Be able to see, enforce, enforce. 00:57:21
Sorry, Anthony. You're good. 00:57:27
We need to be able to enforce the parking plan, so whether or not the city has it or we have it, there needs to be an overall 00:57:29
parking plan. 00:57:33
That's that's that's enforced and then there won't be any parking issues. 00:57:37
People may self select whether or not they want to live there or not. If they have three or four cars, this probably is not the 00:57:42
place for them. 00:57:45
It won't be an issue like you see elsewhere in. 00:57:49
In the city. And then I guess my other question on that is how soon do you guys plan on? 00:57:52
Enforcing. 00:57:58
Yeah. At time, well, we'll have this plan. 00:58:00
We'll have this plan in the lease agree. 00:58:05
So everyone that's leasing will know. 00:58:07
Exactly what the expectations? 00:58:09
They'll be ISS. 00:58:12
Parking pass, whether that's a sticker or a permit that they can hang. 00:58:14
Rear. 00:58:18
I mean, those kind of details are still to be worked out, but it. 00:58:20
Begin on day one. OK, OK. I mostly ask because I. 00:58:23
Was driving by on Sunday and noticed that one of the streets in particular was just lined with cars. 00:58:27
That I know aren't for this development yet because. 00:58:34
The development's not there and but they also weren't for tracks because they would have parked a lot closer than they did because 00:58:37
there were lots of parking spots in the yeah, to that point, Bryce, we are working with the city on coming up with a plan for that 00:58:43
street, whether that's street parking or signs or or what to make sure that that's an enforceable. 00:58:49
OK, perfect. 00:58:55
OK. 00:58:56
A question about. 00:58:59
I'm one that appreciates electrical upgrades and, you know, gets excited about lighting. 00:59:02
There will be different fixtures. 00:59:10
But as a standard are they're? 00:59:14
Only LED. 00:59:17
So far what we've proposed are LED's. Lauren, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but the main the Main Street light. 00:59:20
Umm. 00:59:27
It's I. 00:59:29
Not many people will know, but it's a landscape forms. It's a very high end St. 00:59:30
We picked that light. It looks similar to the existing city street lights, but just kind of an upgraded light. It is LED. 00:59:35
Yeah, that's correct. All the lights we've proposed so far are LED. I wonder if there will be any incandescent? 00:59:45
Light sources in the entire development? Can you even? Aren't they like illegal now? Can you even buy? But they're more 00:59:52
maintenance and less efficient. But anyway. 00:59:58
That's a good question I. 01:00:05
OK. Yeah, go ahead. 01:00:11
I'm wondering about the vertical displacement raised inter. 01:00:16
OK, so like there's a lot of benefits, but there are two downsides I'm wondering. 01:00:20
The drainage. 01:00:26
Has been like a common downside and I don't think anybody's ever done it in Utah, right. There's no, it's been done quite a bit. 01:00:27
There's. 01:00:35
Probably not one that I could name off that everybody will know. Maybe like downtown Salt Lake, right? Yeah. As you drive around, 01:00:37
you'll come across like a raised intersection like that. The maintenance cost on maintaining them is a lot higher than a regular 01:00:43
Rd. Who's gonna be? Yeah, I mean, it's higher than asphalt, right? A lot higher. Yeah. So we've been working with the city on this 01:00:48
design, making sure that those ramps aren't, like, too abrupt. 01:00:54
We don't want anyone bottoming out. We don't want plows to be, you know, blowing through. 01:01:01
That. 01:01:06
As far as drainage goes, the the storm drain will storm. Drainage happens at the street grade. 01:01:08
And then we're pitching that upper table topped area to come back to the drainage that's in the street. 01:01:15
There is a lot of benefits to them though, like it prevents like 93% accidents according to couple studies so. 01:01:22
Like with vehicles and we don't have them on every single intersection, but those intersections where there's a busier road and 01:01:30
it's a major. 01:01:35
Pedestrian crossing. 01:01:39
Thought I'd be worth, I mean the cost of it obviously is higher as well the upfront cost that we're putting in now and so we're 01:01:41
we're trying to be thoughtful about that but we think. 01:01:45
Having places where pedestrians go and feel very comfortable is really, really important to this plan. 01:01:50
And mixing the. 01:01:57
You know it. 01:01:59
But we think we're kind of walking that tightrope and we're not putting them everywhere. But there are some areas that we think 01:02:01
that it's really critical to do and these being. 01:02:05
On that major Rd. going out, it's important that we do them in our. 01:02:10
Thanks for your questions. 01:02:17
This is an assume for the. 01:02:19
The scene by the works director, just to answer the question in regards to the maintenance costs and so forth. 01:02:21
Typically when you do speed tables. 01:02:25
Especially for snow removal and so forth, what do you do? What you what you have is markers on either side of the road. 01:02:28
And the marker is there Allow like snowflower drivers to identify where the humps are going to be so they they go. So the blades 01:02:33
are the blades are changed to look more of a floating. 01:02:39
To allow it to float up. It's very typical. It's very common for other cities that do it as well as E dot does it quite often 01:02:45
because the other roads are smooth. 01:02:49
On that, it's the unfortunate fortunate part of our infrastructure as well as when you get to the table tops, I believe they're 01:02:55
brick. 01:03:00
Along the surface, I mean there's pros and cons in terms of. 01:03:05
Maintenance portion of it, The pros is when you have to do maintenance underneath that you can remove bricks. The cons is 01:03:10
typically that those areas is where cars tend to stop. 01:03:15
And then you have what you call drifting of the. 01:03:21
However, having a discussion or some time ago whether with the contractor that does the. 01:03:25
Not just for this, not for specifically for the tabletop, but for the marketplace area. 01:03:33
That. 01:03:39
If it's installed properly, it will function properly. 01:03:40
So let's just answer that those questions. 01:03:44
Thank you so much. 01:03:46
I had a quick question about commercial. Is the commercial space in all these areas going to be commercial from day one? 01:03:50
We have some of them that are planned that way now, I mean ideally for us. 01:03:58
The sooner that someone will lease them and pay for them the better. So we're we're hoping that they will be we think. 01:04:02
One of them, I think, was a soda. 01:04:09
It was kind of closer to the Promenade area that we thought would be kind of a great thing to be able to just walk over there, get 01:04:12
a. 01:04:15
Get a soda and. 01:04:18
So yeah, we're hoping that they will be OK. We'll see when I mean they're fully designed with everything. 01:04:21
Thanks. I think grease traps and at least one of them for a restaurant etc. Their plan to be that way from day one. 01:04:27
Yeah, that the idea of kind of the. 01:04:36
Kind of comes from block 5:00 and 6:00. So that's our first retail space. 01:04:39
We'll probably use that as a leasing office initially, yeah. 01:04:43
Fitness initially. 01:04:47
So there could be a potential of this these ones. 01:04:51
Having a different use initially, but we'd love them to go like. 01:04:54
Retail as quick as possible. OK, as quick as soon as they're viable. 01:04:58
I'll get you David in just. 01:05:04
Did you have any questions? 01:05:06
Not a question, more just a comment on behalf of another resident. So maybe when we open it up, I wanted to read Mark Owens. 01:05:11
Let me pull. 01:05:19
So we did have a resident reach out to Rachel who was not able to make it tonight. 01:05:21
And he shared the following. 01:05:27
He said I saw a street plan shown by flag. 01:05:30
Presumably this I saw north-south and east West running roads called blank streets. Aren't streets and avenues or roads supposed 01:05:34
to run 90 degrees from each other? 01:05:39
So you'd have NS roads called Streets and East West called Avenues or vice versa. Just a thought. So that was his comment. 01:05:45
But even even bigger maybe when we get into this is. 01:05:53
Maybe you could take us through the logic behind. 01:05:57
The street naming. 01:06:01
Personally, I'm not opposed to any street names. I think continuing with the Utah Valley grid that we're already on makes a lot of 01:06:04
sense for folks. You know, 1600 N will always be 1600 N but you know, maybe it's called another name too. But like that helps 01:06:09
people navigate traditionally. So you can talk about that. 01:06:15
So right now they're just placeholders. Honestly, I mean. 01:06:22
We like the concept of having something that's a little bit more unique than than maybe just St. 01:06:26
But. 01:06:31
When Main Street became 5th Ave. 01:06:33
Randomly did that. Didn't feel very good. It's like, no, we're not, you know, I mean, we're already taking enough heat to try to 01:06:36
say that Main Street is going to be 5th Ave. New York, so. 01:06:41
We're we're still working through the name those aren't finalized. We we've hired as many of you know we've hired RSM who's a 01:06:48
place making firm one of the best in the country and they're helping us with. 01:06:53
Through day math here goes, but what all I'm saying is it it works to be able to do both and you know, plug it into Google Maps, 01:07:29
it works for both. I'm just saying that continuing the grid in some manner I think it will be beneficial. 01:07:34
Yeah, we we like that. I did too, Anthony. We're, you know, based on the names of the streets, you kind of know where you're. 01:07:40
Based on. 01:07:47
And kind of the coordinate system like that. 01:07:48
OK, cool. Did you guys have any other questions for? 01:07:52
OK, we're going to have the public. If they want to make some comments, I'll write down again. Try to keep your comments brief. 01:07:57
And as far as comments, as far as the name of the city or things that we can't change that you wish that there was 5 parking spots 01:08:08
per stall, we're not looking for those kinds of comments. We're looking for comments on things that we may have missed, things 01:08:13
that and things of that nature, so. 01:08:19
If you. 01:08:25
State your comment and if you have a question, I'll write down your question. We'll ask questions at the end of public. Before we 01:08:26
start that, I just want to just make a comment about the street names and so forth the comment. 01:08:31
Ave. **** to be perpendicular to streets and going north, north-south so forth. There's no. 01:08:37
There's. 01:08:46
Rules or regulations that state that it has that has to be that way that's. 01:08:47
That's a principle that's been that's been done early on and for example avenues tend to have buildings on both sides, a Blvd. has 01:08:52
to have a meet would have a medium with landscaping in the center. Therefore if you follow that. 01:08:59
Practice to the point to. 01:09:06
Main Street would not be called Main Street. It could be called Main Blvd. or something similar to that. So those that's a 01:09:09
practice for St. Naming from like the olden days my last city established in the 1800s. 01:09:14
Follow that rule in the old, in the old part of the city, and. 01:09:20
And the newer, the more newer part of the city, many people have just gone away from that particular. The biggest part part of it 01:09:24
is we just want you just want to make sure that the street names are just not conflicting with each other for Mercy vehicles. So 01:09:30
it's great that the developer would kind of follow that rule because to make navigating streets and there is easier for people. 01:09:37
Which it would actually help everyone keep from. 01:09:44
But it's not a hard, fast rule. I just want to go on record and say nothing. Yeah. And I was looking it up. And in Denver, they do 01:09:48
it One Direction. In Manhattan, they do it the opposite direction, so. 01:09:52
Hi, David, Larae again as we know we're, this is all being built upon. 01:10:00
A form of Superfund. 01:10:06
And and actually this area is was the old settling ponds which was. 01:10:08
A major source of the pollution that. 01:10:14
Had to be. 01:10:17
And. 01:10:18
We know also that the first couple levels of aquifers. 01:10:22
Have included and there's a plume out there. It's actually being tracked and. 01:10:26
It's not. It's still wandering under the ground, right? All this big pocket of pollution, so. 01:10:30
I know when we when you build buildings, you do soil samples and soil test to make sure that you know the compatibility of the 01:10:35
soil and so on and so forth. 01:10:40
Knowing this is on a settling. 01:10:45
That's you know what would help us want to be sure of that, but we also want to check, I think. 01:10:48
The top of the ground has been cleaned up. 01:10:53
What's down below? When you dig down to build a foundation and so forth, what do you I mean, is that clean? 01:10:57
I mean, I mean we need to and also because this stuff is still. 01:11:04
We probably it would probably be a really good idea to make sure we have some sort of plan in place. 01:11:08
To make sure we're monitoring. 01:11:12
Somewhere and somehow so we can make sure. 01:11:14
Our current residents and future. 01:11:17
Arguably aren't going to be poisoned by living there or poison us. 01:11:20
Process. Yeah. Great. Thanks. Thank you, David. 01:11:24
Well, I'll do all the questions and then. 01:11:30
Anybody else have any? Yeah, Dar. 01:11:33
OK. 01:11:36
This is Daria Evans. For the record, you're good. 01:11:38
Excuse me. I'm so sorry. You're good. 01:11:43
Graph. 01:11:47
I would just like to know how those 490 units and 386 units are split up between. 01:11:48
Bedroom and guest and. 01:11:57
I'd like to have that kind of allocated out. 01:11:59
I'm curious to know how they're going to allocate those 490. 01:12:02
Where it says provided you. 01:12:06
Like how many for the Zero Bedroom? How many? That's under the required tab. So for example, the Zero Bedroom has 41, Required, 01:12:08
one bedroom 173. 01:12:13
The unit count is under the count. 01:12:22
And then the required is the parking stalls. 01:12:25
So that is what, 26 more? 01:12:29
Required. So I want to know where these other 26. 01:12:33
For. 01:12:37
The 19, Yeah, I'd just like to know how they are dedicated. 01:12:44
And then I. 01:12:48
A dog waste question for all of you. I noticed on one of those first slides you have the gentleman walking the dog and it's just 01:12:51
sidewalk everywhere. 01:12:56
And last week at City Council I. 01:13:02
City Council staff for cleaning up the Lakeshore trail for their presentation. 01:13:05
Of all. 01:13:11
Identification markers for the. 01:13:12
And I just. 01:13:14
If someone walking the dog and that dog released himself on the sidewalk, Houston cleaned up by being there's going to be stains. 01:13:17
You know that sidewalk is nice, concrete and. 01:13:23
People aren't that great. 01:13:27
Clean. 01:13:31
I'm serious. And also a lot of it's artificial. 01:13:35
And we mentioned this last time. 01:13:39
Aren't you going to hose it down? 01:13:41
You know, on the artificial Turk these I'm really serious about this, you know, because. 01:13:44
Well, I am a dog lover too. I had a dog and he was mauled to death by Pitbull. That's awful. 01:13:51
I just worry, you know, that you're you've got a beautiful concept. 01:14:01
And we have a lot of people that use that Lake Shore Trail that aren't very responsible. 01:14:05
And it's going to migrate to. 01:14:11
And so I'm just saying, you might want to make sure, I don't know if you're going to require residents to not have animals. 01:14:14
Or if. 01:14:21
You know what are you? 01:14:23
Your sidewalks are. 01:14:25
Row. 01:14:27
That's my. 01:14:29
And. 01:14:30
The more St. lights you have. I mentioned this to Mr. Hutchinson. 01:14:32
The better because we don't have enough streetlights and. 01:14:36
So yeah, if you could just answer that, that question. 01:14:41
OK. 01:14:45
Thanks, Aaron. 01:14:46
Remind me about what you asked that City Council. 01:14:47
Yeah. Thank you. 01:14:50
Tyler Harrelson I live in Edgewater. 01:14:59
I agree with pretty much everything that the other residents have said. I did so after talking about at the last meeting, the soil 01:15:03
contamination. 01:15:07
I wouldn't looked up the report from 2003. 01:15:13
Where they kind of list. 01:15:18
Like this is a problem. 01:15:20
Some people who I respect greatly have not been quite as concerned about this as I have kind of saying, you know, they've spent 01:15:24
millions of dollars in cleaning this up, the EPA and the Utah EPA. 01:15:29
Involved with this I just. I'm still concerned. Not trying to point any fingers about anything. Still concerned and I wanted to 01:15:35
read you the numbers about. 01:15:40
So. 01:15:46
The list. 01:15:48
The contaminant The action level and their maximum detected for each contaminant. 01:15:50
The Pennsylvania HI. Don't know what that is, but it's something they track. 01:15:55
Maximum was the action level is 400 micrograms per liter. 01:16:00
And the maximum detector is 422,009 hundred 609 micrograms per kilogram. 01:16:06
Benzene action level is 99 milligrams per. 01:16:13
Maximum detected 115,872 micrograms per kilogram. Lead 400 milligrams per kilogram. 01:16:17
Maximum detected 28,861 milligrams per kilogram. 01:16:28
There's like five more or six more and they're all above, obviously, otherwise they wouldn't be on the. 01:16:33
I. 01:16:41
I've been looking I. 01:16:43
The air testing that they're doing, the Utah EPA and those look good and I see the groundwater and at least at the sites that. 01:16:45
Looking at that they're being proposed at, they're looking good, but I haven't seen anything about soil and I. 01:16:52
Just with how high those numbers? 01:16:58
I really want to make sure. 01:17:01
If the public can be informed and have a report that the public can look. 01:17:03
That's politically great. 01:17:08
But at least that you guys have reviewed person. 01:17:10
Or the City Council has reviewed personally the levels. 01:17:16
The most recent levels that have been detected and that you're looking at. 01:17:21
Soil samples when they start the construction because. 01:17:25
There have been places around the country where the EPA has failed. 01:17:30
People from getting hurt. There's famously Cancer Alley in different places like that. 01:17:37
I don't think we're going to be quite as bad as that regardless of what happens, but. 01:17:43
I just the more levels of protection, just with how high those numbers are on so many different contaminants, the better. I really 01:17:49
this is a huge deal. 01:17:54
So. 01:17:59
Thank you. Thank you. 01:18:00
Any other public comments or questions? 01:18:02
All right. Just real quick before you stand up, Daria, as far as the parking, what I was bringing up in City Council was that 01:18:06
there needs to be an overall plan. And hearing what they were saying tonight was what resolved. My concern was that there needs to 01:18:11
be something overall. 01:18:16
Yeah, getting to the soil, how do you guys have? 01:18:23
Any reports or any? 01:18:30
There's. 01:18:33
There's a few different distinctions on the old Geneva. 01:18:35
The West side of the tracks never had the heavy making steel facility on. 01:18:39
And it had the cooling. 01:18:44
Which was very different in nature in the contamination level of both sides. 01:18:46
So DEQ, the Department of Environmental Quality here in Utah, overseas. 01:18:51
Overseas the cleanup project on the overall. 01:18:56
Anderson, Geneva along with US Steel are Co permit ease on cleaning up this entire site. 01:19:00
And there's areas called Smooze and it's a site. 01:19:06
It's. 01:19:14
I can't remember the acronym, a management plan for each of those areas, right. And says like you have this contaminant here, 01:19:16
here's the required cleanup level, et cetera. And then what happens is since 2003. 01:19:22
The site has been continuously being cleaned up. There's been about $100 million of cleanup projects that's occurred on both sides 01:19:29
of the tracks. 01:19:32
And what happens is DEQ comes down once an area is. 01:19:36
They come up with a plan that says to clean this up, it needs to be done to this level and then do it and we'll come back and they 01:19:41
have to approve the cleanup plan and then they'll come back and test. 01:19:46
So DEQ is coming back and testing all of these. 01:19:51
And So what happened was on the on the West side of the. 01:19:54
Everything South of about that cursor to the north on the where the Geneva Park is to the north. 01:19:58
There's some Ora. 01:20:05
That's been cleaned up and put to the north. And so there's there's what they have there is it's complete with controls. Is the 01:20:08
new is the acronym that DEQ uses which is for example you have to you can't eat the dirt. 01:20:14
That's one of them. On that side. You can't, you can't drill a well and drink your own. You can't drink your own, Drill your own 01:20:22
well and and and drink your own water. 01:20:27
To irrigate it South of that, everywhere to the South of that. 01:20:33
Is has been cleaned. 01:20:37
Tested and gotten a complete without controls measure from the state of Utah, which is the highest. It's the highest level they 01:20:40
can get this land. 01:20:45
According to them and according to the test. 01:20:51
Has been cleaned up and there's no restrictions whatsoever on the. 01:20:54
South of this. 01:20:58
It was brought up and I think David left, but he mentioned groundwater. The groundwater plume that he's referring to is on the 01:21:00
east side of the tracks. It's being monitored. US Steel is on the hook to clean up 75 to 80% of the cost of that. We're currently 01:21:07
pushing US Steel hard to fund that. If you look at their latest quarterly report, they're estimating they have about $20 million 01:21:14
left of cleanup on the Geneva project in in total. 01:21:21
100% of that cost. 01:21:29
Is on the east side of the tracks. 01:21:32
So there's still, there's still work that's being done as you can see on the east side, there's still, there's still environmental 01:21:34
things and the east side of the tracks. 01:21:38
Will have much more complete with controls than the West side of the tracks. 01:21:43
If that makes sense. So there still will be restrictions on that. Some of the property on the east side, for example, can never be 01:21:50
residential. It will always have to be. It's cleaned up to an industrial and commercial standard, which is different than a 01:21:54
residential standard. 01:21:59
But everything on the West side of the tracks? 01:22:04
It's complete without controls and been tested and when we met with the Department of Environmental Quality. 01:22:07
They said this has been the most tested in the cleanest land around, like there's a lot of properties that didn't have. 01:22:13
That are much dirtier than this that people are building on. They just because they haven't run all the tests and inspected the 01:22:20
dirt and the area like has been done on the West side of the track. Avanti Kate, can you point out that the the plume again. 01:22:26
Yeah. 01:22:33
Yeah, it's, it's over. It's and it's being monitored. I mean it's US Steel. 01:22:35
Would like to see because naturally overtime the bugs in the water just kind of eats it up. It's not he mentioned that it's it's 01:22:42
migrating, it's not migrating. If it was migrating DEQ would would force US steel on us to get involved sooner. 01:22:49
We're pushing for a faster solution because we'd like to develop that side of the tracks. 01:22:56
US Steel doesn't have as much of the urgency as we do to do that, so there's. 01:23:02
There's obviously some negotiations occurring, but with with us and them and there are some some more aggressive measures we're 01:23:07
taking right now, some tests. 01:23:11
To see there there's some bugs. 01:23:15
You know natural bugs that you. 01:23:18
Test and put in and see if it will eat some of these chemicals faster than others. And that's being done on one site right now and 01:23:20
if that works then we'll deploy that over over the larger site. But I mean and and and. 01:23:26
The east side of the tracks being 350 acres plus UVU's 200 acres is 550 acres. If you look at the map and it's very clear on their 01:23:31
website, they'll show these areas, the overall smooth and then they'll show what's been done in each one and the and the tests. 01:23:39
About 250 of the 300 acres over there is clean today. 01:23:48
So there's still a lot of development that can continue to occur on the east side before we get into those pockets that still. 01:23:52
Have some loose ends. 01:23:58
Cool. Does that make sense? Yeah, Question. Is that Northside where that membrane is? 01:23:59
That's so the membrane is right. Yeah. So that's the camo up there. Yes. Just for clarification, but also just like dig on that, 01:24:05
right? No, no, but no, but that's on that's on the east side of the track, so the east side of the tracks like I mentioned before. 01:24:12
Will have a lot of restrictions moving forward though. 01:24:20
That we're going to take through that? Oh no, no, no. You can do spot footings on it, spread footing, so you can build things on 01:24:26
top of that. It's just you. 01:24:31
Dig and you can't penetrate down into the membrane, so. 01:24:36
You can do footings, they'll just have to be spread footings. 01:24:40
You. 01:24:44
Um. 01:24:46
Is it possible that the city could maybe put a link on the website of like this is a study that's been done? This is what DEQ 01:24:48
shows. 01:24:52
Yeah, it's it's it's public and we can just making it more accessible I think would be really good for some vineyard residents 01:24:56
that are concerned. We can work on that for sure. Thank you. 01:25:01
And then the next thing was dog waste for the area. 01:25:06
Yeah. So our property management company will have different measures. They'll be the stations. I agree there needs to be areas 01:25:11
where they can. 01:25:15
Take these pets along the sidewalk so that it's not a continuous. 01:25:20
Concrete area that they'll have areas. 01:25:24
Relieve themselves, I guess. 01:25:28
I guess my comment on that is I have a dog that's super weird and he'll he always poops on the sidewalk and stuff. 01:25:31
And he's weird. 01:25:39
It just takes a responsible dog owner. If you own a dog, you need to be responsible. Like the person that had the pit bull clearly 01:25:42
was not a responsible dog owner, which ended in a tragedy. 01:25:47
And it's, I think it just needs to be the same there. There are vineyard ordinances in place that if somebody doesn't clean up 01:25:53
after their dog. 01:25:58
Have to pay a fee, but it's so hard to enforce stuff like that. It's. 01:26:02
But. 01:26:08
It's hard, but if there are areas I think that are specified for people that are responsible and have dogs that aren't weird, I 01:26:08
think that that would be really good. 01:26:13
And then as far as parking, do you guys have like a breakdown or a plan yet of how you want to do that? No. So the question was 01:26:20
what do we were those excess stalls going? They're all just overflow for all of them. They're not going to be specific to. 01:26:26
You have an extra 26 stalls and seven of them go to retail. It'll just be overflow for whoever needs it. But what you won't find 01:26:33
is that the units won't end up with more than the permits that they're getting. 01:26:39
OK. 01:26:48
Cool. 01:26:49
Sure. 01:26:51
Yeah, make it quick, Tanner. 01:26:52
I'll be quick. I just want to say thank you for presenting that. It's good to hear. Wouldn't you do the public link, I would. 01:26:56
Recommend putting the whatever their announcement was saying that it was complete without control. 01:27:06
I spent like an hour on the you EQ website and maybe I'm just an idiot and couldn't find it, but I found a lot of reports but I 01:27:12
did not see that. So the more public that is the. 01:27:17
And then with the dogs. I also have a dog and he's weird, but he likes the grass a lot more. So when you have little grass 01:27:23
patches, it's easier. Also when you have more people walking down the street. 01:27:28
If. 01:27:34
Starts taking a crap in front of 100 people. You can be a lot more motivated to pick it up, so having more people on the street 01:27:36
could probably help the social aspect of that. 01:27:41
Cool. Any other comments from you guys? 01:27:49
Umm. 01:27:57
I feel like I have one more. 01:27:58
No, OK. 01:28:02
Cool. Does anybody want to make a motion? 01:28:04
Also, just to clarify, we did reach out to our attorney and he said that we are OK because we have the language in the agenda 01:28:07
saying that the Commission will make will take appropriate action. 01:28:11
That we're OK to make a motion, OK. Also I wanted to maybe add to the parking, that condition that you have on the parking. 01:28:16
Uh. 01:28:27
Before they start that that there is. 01:28:30
Before they start on these next buildings that there is a plan for the entire area. 01:28:34
Or before there's an. 01:28:39
Issued a certificate of occupancy that there's a plan for the entire area. 01:28:43
Not currently public roads, but I'm not sure how to word that. Not just the site plan, but not just this one site, but that 01:28:48
there's a plan for. 01:28:52
The overall area, is that something you guys are comfortable with? 01:28:57
What kind of language should I? 01:29:06
A. 01:29:10
Master plan. What? I mean, yeah, a parking. 01:29:11
Management plan for the entire development. 01:29:15
For the not the entire development, the for the public wrote. I don't know how to say that. For the roads, yeah, for the roads on 01:29:19
the development, in the development. And that there is something to in the code about a spillover, a parking spillover management 01:29:24
plan. 01:29:29
That the city planner is able to engage. 01:29:34
Something to that effect we're OK with. It's already in the code, yeah, and the idea is. 01:29:37
OK, any idea is that you're not doing public street parking to make up for a lack of parking from? 01:29:43
Developer, is that what you're that and so that I guess kind of within a fail safe. 01:29:51
So that parking. 01:29:58
For the people that are parking, they're. 01:29:59
That they either know that they can't park there real soon or. 01:30:02
If they can park there, if they decide to work with the city, that there is public parking there, that they can park there just. 01:30:08
Are you thinking this is over by the UTA? Yeah, they would incorporate that. OK. I see where. Yeah. Yeah. I was like trying to 01:30:13
figure out where you're making sorry. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. It's mostly just for the people that don't live in the 01:30:19
development, that are using the development as parking, cuz I feel that that's gonna be. 01:30:25
Yeah, and. 01:30:31
The the the applicants are are working with the staff right now and we're all perfect. Yeah, I assume they are because it would 01:30:34
hurt them with the parking study. This is a great condition. 01:30:39
While we're adding great conditions. 01:30:44
We've got one more that may not be absolutely necessary, but I don't see why you would be opposed to it, or why anyone would have 01:30:46
a problem with it. Is adding a condition around ensuring that they're meeting all. 01:30:51
EPA and Utah Environmental Quality requirements prior to occupancy. So if you're already there, great. If you're not, then yeah, 01:30:58
obviously no one should live there. So we do have the state and local laws all that. I don't know if that covers it. That's kind 01:31:04
of the catch all that we always put in there. But I know that, but we can call it out. Yeah. Yeah, I would like it specific just 01:31:10
because Tyler is not the only one that's brought that up. 01:31:16
And it can put people at ease by. 01:31:23
We're requiring this. You will not move forward until they prove that they've met those requirements, so. 01:31:27
OK DEQ. OK. 01:31:33
Are you OK? Are you OK with that language? 01:31:38
That looks good. You guys are OK with that. You guys are good with that. 01:31:42
Cool to have. 01:31:47
Sure. I will move to approve this site plan as requested by Bronson Tatten with Flagborough LLC, with the proposed conditions 01:31:50
including the new ones that we added up here on the screen. 01:31:56
Second, all in favor. 01:32:04
Aye. 01:32:06
All right. 01:32:07
Thank you guys so much. 01:32:08
All right. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure. 01:32:12
Not so much a report, but Nasim won't be surprised. I've got a question on just it looks like there's more activity now that the 01:32:20
roads have mostly been completed that the trail connecting to the station. 01:32:25
There's some progress there. Do you have an update on when that will be connected? I'm also asking on behalf of a neighbor of mine 01:32:31
who uses the train every day and rides his electric scooter back. And normally he likes to do it on the trail, but he has to 01:32:36
actually go in the bike lane. It's longer and less safe for him right now. Yes Sir. So we're working. 01:32:42
Complained the pipeline project to us throughout the city, I mean. 01:32:49
They're on their final phases. 01:32:55
The Mill Rd. which will which will make the connection over. 01:32:57
That area, that area underneath the vault doing the chlorination, in addition about Dominion energy. 01:33:01
Is fast tracking their designs in order to get their pipe gas pipe. 01:33:08
Along that same corridor. 01:33:15
Before we fix everything back up, we expect everything to be the construction portion of it to be complete by the end of the 01:33:18
calendar year, so December to account for a Dominion. 01:33:23
To account for Dominion energies work that they would that they're trying to OK, so likely this calendar year will not be able to 01:33:28
at least before the end of the calendar likely not be able to reach the train station from the southeast of the trail. Yes. And 01:33:33
then after that we're also gonna be. 01:33:37
We'll be realigning the trail, the connection that goes underneath the underpass. 01:33:43
And in order to. 01:33:50
Situate ourselves to for the future. 01:33:53
Tucker Rd. 01:33:56
That would that's that's anticipated to be given to the. 01:33:57
As well to provide some more space for the park use on that. So there'll be there's gonna be some substantial substantial but 01:34:00
changes along that even that connection. 01:34:05
OK. 01:34:10
Cool. Anything else from you guys? 01:34:11
Jeff Knighton, who was on the Planning Commission, previously invited me to. 01:34:15
Review some of his classes. His class is working on a project. 01:34:20
Designing what they think would be a cool Community Center in the Geneva Park, and it was just cool to see the designs and 01:34:25
nothing. None of those things are like, we're doing this like if the best one wins, we're going to build that. It's not anything 01:34:30
like that, but it was cool to see some of their ideas and like. 01:34:34
Be able to build off of that in the future for a potential Community Center or what we want to do with that area. So that was 01:34:40
cool. 01:34:43
Anything from staff? Yeah, I have quite a few things. First I want to thank Nasim in the public works staff for. 01:34:48
Working hard and getting some bus stops. 01:34:54
Put in throughout the city, you might have seen some lanes of traffic closed down while they've been working on that. 01:34:56
So we're really grateful to have those, finally. 01:35:01
As well as our parking master plan that's well underway right now. They're in the kind of data collection phase right now 01:35:33
examining our current conditions with signage with CUR. 01:35:38
And and looking at other areas that that could use some improvement. 01:35:45
We're also working on our stationary plan. We will be having a community open house, a virtual open house, I believe, on November 01:35:50
28. 01:35:54
Does that sound right? 01:36:00
So more information will come out from that. 01:36:01
OK. So but yeah, the stationary plan is essentially looking at a lot of East Geneva because a lot of. 01:36:09
You know the West side of the tracks, it's already been planned out. So we've used this as a way to really look into the zoning 01:36:15
and planning of the the east side of the railroad tracks. So that'll be a great opportunity for all of us to to kind of dig in 01:36:21
there and and look at what we want to see built up over there. But it's been exciting. We've had good cooperation from from UVU, 01:36:26
from the land owners to create a really comprehensive plan there. Are they going to allow an at grade crossing right there at the 01:36:32
track station like to the east side? 01:36:38
I don't know if they. 01:36:44
Sorry, I'm sorry. 01:36:49
Yeah, most likely it's going to be a bridge, OK. But potentially we have talked in the past about. 01:36:52
Go going underneath that would be more difficult, yeah. But yeah, most likely it's gonna gonna be a bridge. OK, so definitely not 01:37:01
in that grade. Kind of, yeah, not not that grade thing. The other thing too is the waterfront master plan. We are doing some 01:37:07
updates working with OJB. 01:37:14
Landscape Architects. 01:37:21
And it's essentially taking the existing master plan that we. 01:37:24
And taking it to the next level of design. 01:37:28
And our plan is to work with the county to get an. 01:37:32
As you know with the $3,000,000 grant that expires December, so we're working with the county and they it seems pretty positive 01:37:36
that we'll get it extended. 01:37:41
And and looking potentially for some inflationary costs. 01:37:45
So adding some more to account for all the. 01:37:50
And then gearing us up so that we can start working through the Army Corps because there's sort of two different phases and this 01:37:54
is somewhere we can do an update with the Planning Commission. This would be a good project for us to do a work session. 01:38:00
But there's uplands, so areas that fall outside of the wetlands and there's obviously areas within the wetlands. 01:38:06
So the idea is to move forward sooner with construction of items. 01:38:13
Outside of the. 01:38:17
And then you know trying to kind of concurrently work through the Army Corps so we can get things like that, the beach and the 01:38:19
Piers and those those things in place. So pretty exciting. But so the plan, I would say like all the merits of the plan are still 01:38:25
there, but it's kind of taking that conceptual level and saying okay in reality what what can we afford, what can we build. 01:38:31
But the plan still looks awesome, so we'll plan on doing an update probably, you know, or early. 01:38:38
Next year, probably January with the Commission. So great, awesome. 01:38:45
Anything from Is that it or Nasim you got something? 01:38:53
I just want to tell Cash that he's welcome. 01:38:57
In regards to the bus stop, ETA bus stops, Bus stops are going around for the UTA stops. Yeah, so vineyard cities. 01:39:00
Implementing the actual construction of those bus stops. But DTA has definitely been a. 01:39:10
Good partner, since they're paying for all the bus stops to be paths to be placed in. 01:39:15
On that, we felt that it was a great way to partner since we were able to. 01:39:19
Implement the construction faster than ETA would be able to. All that also talking about construction. 01:39:24
The for the for concrete. 01:39:32
We're expecting to get a schedule for from the contractor to start building the pedestrian refuge. 01:39:35
That crosses over Main Street and. 01:39:43
On the South side, on the South leg of their. 01:39:46
Crosswalk flashes have been ordered, however, with the lead times on flashers. 01:39:53
May not arrive due specifically for that. 01:39:59
In a timely manner, so we received 2. 01:40:05
For our other crosswalks that we've constructed the mid block crosswalks the one on. 01:40:09
Vineyard Vineyard Rd. That's across from Bridgeport. 01:40:16
Bridge. 01:40:20
As well as. 01:40:22
The crosswalk for Sarah St. with a pedestrian refuge there as well. Well, that one on Vineyard Rd. have a pedestrian refuge or is 01:40:25
that not planned? 01:40:28
No, that one won't. Yeah, let's say too late. It's in essence is A2 Lane Rd. 01:40:32
It's a two lane Rd. That would not require one. OK, yeah. 01:40:38
But center St. as A5 lane Rd. or four lane Rd. So which would the distance typical the typical distance for crossing? 01:40:42
That would require pedestrian refuge is roughly about anything greater than 60 feet. 01:40:51
That's when you start looking at doing a pedestrian refuge. It really depends on the speed, the speed limit of the road as well. 01:40:57
So yeah, I know that that was one idea that's been proposed also for 400 South, even though it's not a five lane Rd. is pedestrian 01:41:02
refuges there? If for nothing else, it kind of indicates. 01:41:07
Hey, slow down, this is a place for pedestrians. So currently with our flashers our locations for flashers. 01:41:13
Flashers were veneered Elementary and Lakeside Park is there's a school, there's a school crossing crosswalk right there. 01:41:24
We'll have flashers at that crosswalk. 01:41:33
We'll also have flashers for this going from South to north, flashers for Center Street right by Gavin Park where we put the 01:41:37
pedestrian refuge. 01:41:42
We'll have, we have flashes. 01:41:49
Vineyard Rd. 01:41:52
Just north of the. 01:41:55
Park area and bridge. 01:41:57
And we currently have Flash's plans for Grove Park. 01:42:00
On there as well, however, in light of what we're trying to do for 600 N and Main Street and the lead times for Flashers. 01:42:04
Aren't we expect to bypass Grove Park? 01:42:13
And use those flashers for the 600 N main. 01:42:17
Section on that because Grove Park is a well lit. 01:42:21
Prominent area. 01:42:27
And when we receive the Flashers, the new Flashers will have those installed for Grove Market. My two cents. Given the recent 01:42:28
recent events, it might be worth the city putting a social media post out sharing those plans right like we plan to put Flashers 01:42:34
in. 01:42:39
Crossover I I think it it would show that like you know you're taking action and this has been this has been yeah, I know it's in 01:42:45
the, but I I think it's a timely reminder that you know pedestrian safety is important and the city's taking action to improve and 01:42:52
keep sharing comments those kind of things. I appreciate that and it can't hurt, right. Like I think the city would appreciate or 01:42:58
residents would appreciate seeing that exactly and what we'll do is when we get the timeline from the contractor. 01:43:05
With these flashers. 01:43:12
Smart flashers. In essence, it's it's going to be they're wirelessly connected. 01:43:14
To apps and so forth. So when one is not working. 01:43:19
For for some reason, where it's not being activated or it's not, we're not receiving a signal anymore. 01:43:22
Then we'll be notified about that. So it's not, it's going to be more of a proactive maintenance. 01:43:27
Give us the more proactive maintenance, especially with snow season coming. 01:43:33
And the solar. And because they're all solar. 01:43:36
With this when snow covers this solar panels. 01:43:40
And the the flashers. 01:43:44
Because of that, will be no. We'll have notification that there's something wrong with it, and we'll immediately be able to go out 01:43:47
to take care of it. 01:43:49
Versus waiting for residents to tell us, hey, this is not working. 01:43:52
Because the because there's a chance that those residents may not be, it may not tell us as well, so. 01:43:55
So, so those are the updates on that and I'm sure that. 01:44:02
And then also the school zones, the school zone, the school, the reduced speed school zones will be receiving a very similar type 01:44:08
of system. 01:44:12
Where we'll be able to get notification before or excuse me at the time of any kind of malfunctions? 01:44:16
Will begin will be getting notification, so it's it's a good step in the right direction for everything. I do appreciate the 01:44:23
feedback. 01:44:26
Thank you, Nasim. 01:44:31
And real quick, cash, have you heard from? 01:44:32
I've actually been thinking a lot about this. I haven't had much luck with USPS, but I know Anthony. 01:44:37
Is working on building a relationship with together, so. 01:44:43
We'll see if he can get he's he's a lot smoother I'll be real so we'll see if we can go together and I I actually put it on my To 01:44:46
Do List again on this next e-mail all right for us to go see what we can do. 01:44:52
USPS They're slowly becoming like my Union Pacific. You know that. They just refuse to work with us on anything but. Sounds 01:44:59
accurate. We do want something, so I'll see what I can do. Cool. Thank you. All right. If there's nothing else. 01:45:05
Meeting adj. 01:45:12
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