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And to the Republic for which? 00:00:08
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:11
Awesome. Thank you. 00:00:18
OK. 00:00:21
That brings us to item 2, which is our open session for our public to come and comment with the. 00:00:24
If you could limit yourself to 3 minutes and make sure it's not on anything that is on our agenda for the evening. 00:00:32
Yeah. 00:00:40
Yeah, I just wanted to introduce our our two new planning commissioners for for the public we have Nathan Steele. 00:00:50
And we have Caden. We always mess up Broden. Yeah, I like it. So 22 new planning commissioners and I don't know if you guys just 00:00:56
want to say something quick about yourself, kind of maybe a little bit background to the public and get to get to know you a 00:01:01
little bit. 00:01:05
Sure. Hi everyone. My name is Nathan, live here in Vineyard and very excited to be a part of the Planning Commission. I have a 00:01:13
background of over 10 years in urban planning, serving in several different cities as a staff member in various communities across 00:01:19
the country and grateful now to be here. I now work in the private sector and so I'm excited to continue doing all of my urban 00:01:26
planning stuff. 00:01:33
Here serving the community that I live in. So excited to be. 00:01:39
Cool. Putting me on the spot, Morgan. I wasn't expecting this, but I'm excited to be here as well. I'm Kaden Rotten. I've lived 00:01:46
here in Vineyard for. 00:01:50
Three. Just over three years. 00:01:54
I've been involved with the city since I moved in. I was chair of the bike Commission. 00:01:57
And have been involved in. 00:02:03
Capacities with the Central Parks plan and other the Active Transportation Plan. 00:02:05
As well as the Master Transportation Plan. 00:02:12
I love. I don't have any formal degrees in urban planning, but I spend my free time reading books and watching YouTube videos 00:02:14
about urban planning and. 00:02:19
Land use, so I'm excited to to be here, so thank you. 00:02:24
Thanks so much and welcome. 00:02:27
Sorry. You go back to public home. I just want to. You're good. I'm glad that you stopped me, because it's good to get to know 00:02:33
fellow commissioners a little bit better. 00:02:36
OK. 00:02:41
Officially open session? The public has any comment we would love to have. 00:02:42
OK. And then state your name neighborhood. 00:02:51
Happy New Year. Happy New Year. 00:02:57
New OPP. 00:03:03
And it looks like. 00:03:05
As I was reading. 00:03:06
New plan that's coming through. 00:03:08
Looks like you'll have more authority with new heads with heads of. 00:03:10
And as you move forward, I hope that you will. 00:03:16
Consider the needs of Vineyard along with the wants of the developers that come in. 00:03:19
That you can come to a good cons. 00:03:24
That will benefit all of us. 00:03:28
Thank you, Dar. 00:03:31
We cool? Yeah. I mean, yes, you're here. It's always the goal. OK, we'll move on to. 00:03:35
Three, which is business items. 00:03:42
We'll go to. 00:03:46
Let's see. We need to open up a public hearing. 00:03:49
For item 3 point. 00:03:52
Yeah, you you can open it now, but then allow that that way someone asks a question. But I I would let Anthony kind of go through 00:03:54
his presentation. 00:03:58
And then probably formally take public comment after that. 00:04:03
OK. We'll plan on that be my suggestion. 00:04:07
Yep, if we could have Anthony present and then we will open up after that for public comment. And I'll just do a really quick 00:04:10
intro to everyone knows Anthony Fletcher, our planner, him and Rachel. 00:04:15
Our planner, who is remote at Las Vegas, became really diligently over the last several months. 00:04:23
The state code SB Senate Bill 174, has a lot of requirements for subdivisions, and you'll see that basically every year. 00:04:30
The the the state has the state has mandates that we. 00:04:39
Essentially truncate the process as much as possible to help deliver as many houses as we possibly can. There's still that huge 00:04:41
housing shortage. I think this past year were 30 to 40,000 units unit deficit of where of where the state is trying to be. 00:04:50
So that's that's that sets every year that's you know a good thing that we want to get more housing for people, but but also it 00:04:58
does have impact on on our process and so Anthony is going to take you through that. So the Anthony and Rachel, they've done a 00:05:06
really great job. They've gone through our entire code, they've done an audit of our subdivision ordinances and processes to make 00:05:13
sure that we're in line. And So what he's going to be presenting tonight are those amendments to be in line with SB174 plus. 00:05:21
There are some staff. 00:05:29
Suggestions. And he'll take you through those as well. 00:05:30
Our thought was as we're making these amendments. 00:05:32
There are other changes we had that we'd like to see to those those ordinances as well And so without any further ado after you 00:05:34
take it away. 00:05:39
Thank you very much. 00:05:44
Hi, my name is Anthony S Morgan shared. And I will be taking you through the subdivision ordinance amendments. 00:05:46
So as Morgan already shared with you. 00:05:54
Are doing this as a directive to be in line with what the state requires for us and also staff has? 00:05:58
Taking the opportunity to clean, do a general cleanup of the code that we have here in the city. 00:06:06
So this Senate Bill 170. 00:06:13
Has to be approved and passed. I mean approved and effective by February 1st of 2024 and this only applies. 00:06:16
One family, two family and townhomes subdivisions. 00:06:26
That is a requirement from the state, but as part of the code cleanup, we're hoping or making our recommendation our staff. 00:06:31
Have this process the same across board for all applications. This will make it more. 00:06:39
Seamless for us during applications and processes that we have to go through as staff. 00:06:45
So this. 00:06:51
Pretty much talks. 00:06:55
The processes, changes and processes with preliminary subdivision, final subdivision. 00:06:56
And Adu parking requirements as well as landscaping bonds. 00:07:03
I know you may all be aware of how these are, or you already know this, but this is just a fresher course, for lack of a better 00:07:11
word. So on the left. 00:07:15
A preliminary plot and on the right I have a final plot, so the left side. 00:07:21
You can tell that that preliminary plot only shows the various Parcels St. network and pretty much giving you a general idea of 00:07:27
what could happen in that large parcel of land, and the final is. 00:07:34
A piece off that preliminary that has a lot more detail so it shows more more detail such as set. 00:07:42
More information about specific lots. 00:07:51
And road names and many more. And $5 to anyone who can guess that plot. One on the left. Do you remember this Probably kept Tay up 00:07:53
for for nights and nights. I think we only met on like 20 times. 00:08:01
So all of this is from Holdaway all the way fields, yeah? 00:08:10
All right, so. 00:08:14
As you know in the development process, after you've gone through the preliminary in the final, we then move on to the site site 00:08:16
plans which. 00:08:19
Is more site specific, more detailed, goes all the way to elevations and giving you material specifications and more. 00:08:24
So in this presentation I'll be using. 00:08:31
Subdivision and Plat Interchange. 00:08:34
So just in case you don't get confused, so for this for the preliminary subdivision code amendments, we divided it into what the 00:08:37
code requires. 00:08:43
And what staff is recommending? So the SB174 requires that. 00:08:49
All preliminary subdivisions or Plaid applications. 00:08:57
Do not have a pre application meeting as a full requirement. It's not optional. 00:09:01
So an applicant can. 00:09:06
Request for that the approval body as well has changed from City Council to Planning Commission. 00:09:09
And also the state requirement. 00:09:17
The state replies that we have several plans complete at 50%. 00:09:23
We don't need a full. 00:09:28
Plan for several plans for the preliminary level. Staff recommendations will be the engineering review cost. 00:09:30
Has been taken out or will be taken out to and replaced with the fee schedule. 00:09:39
We had that because prior to having a full. 00:09:45
Engineer on staff. We had to contract this out, so we had to put this piece in the code. 00:09:50
To make room for pay. 00:09:55
Of the review engineering reviews, hard copies are no longer required. 00:09:58
Applications are going to be online. 00:10:03
Also, addressing has to be by the city engineer. 00:10:07
And the preliminary utility plan and landscape plans. 00:10:11
To be provided on the same sheet overlaid so we can. 00:10:16
What is? 00:10:20
Yeah, just add to that, in the past we've had. 00:10:22
A lot of issues where the applicant will have their civil engineer do a design and then the landscape architect will do design, 00:10:26
but they won't talk to each other. And so when they actually put in the, the infrastructure, you know, trees get taken out and all 00:10:32
the landscaping is changed. And so we've had some pretty extreme cases, but just thought it's one of those things where now we 00:10:37
just want to see it on one plan those those two need to communicate so. 00:10:43
Anyway, hopefully this helps to that end. Thanks, Morgan. 00:10:50
So we have also recommended that we, I mean we include maintenance responsibilities for Ho. 00:10:54
To have a clear cut, what the public works would be in charge of and what your HOA's would be in charge of when it comes to things 00:11:02
like snow, plowing and all that. 00:11:07
The title report components have also been added. In the past, we've had applicants confused title reports with title insurance 00:11:13
because they look alike. But there's certain things that we look out for that we want to make it easier for applicants. 00:11:20
Identify and submit. 00:11:27
With the final subdivision code amendment, we have the approval body being changed from City Council to. 00:11:29
The Development Review Committee, DRC. 00:11:37
We would not also allow concurrent applications. 00:11:42
And side plan, I mean concept plans are now optional, but we do recommend a staff. 00:11:47
To We strongly recommend our staff to include that in your application and application review should also take place within 20 00:11:53
business days. 00:11:57
As staff, we have also RECOM. 00:12:02
That after a final plot has been approved, we allow for two years. It used to be one year before it would be required to be 00:12:04
recorded, but we're requesting that that is changed to two years. 00:12:11
So on the approval body for the final subdivision. 00:12:20
We have. 00:12:25
To go based on the code, go with a more technical approval body as the Land Use Authority. That's why it's the DRC. 00:12:28
Now the DRC, if this is approved, will be what their meetings will become more public, will be public and would have posted as 00:12:36
posted agendas and. 00:12:40
Minutes and would have voted members be the chair of the Planning Commission, the city manager. 00:12:45
The redevelopment. The RDA. 00:12:53
The heads of departments for building, Engineering, community development and Parks and Rec. 00:12:58
So these are like an edge just a little bit. So right now how DRC has worked out, it's a, it's more of like an advisory body and 00:13:07
it also provides assistance to applicants that applicant will submit, will provide comments and they'll come to DRC. The DRC 00:13:13
members will, will help answer questions, will explain comments And so we'll have like a member of the fire department there as 00:13:19
well. And so it's right now it's it's more of a kind of an informal body that just helps with the applicants get get through that 00:13:26
that process and address comments. 00:13:32
And to understand kind of the objectives of the code, what we would do though is when we get a final plat. 00:13:39
That's when we would sit up here for that meeting, that we'd be a formal decision, but if there's not a final plat, it'll still be 00:13:45
like just an informal body where we just be with the applicants. But. 00:13:51
In the event that we have a final plan, that's where it'd be a formal. 00:13:56
For that final. 00:14:01
Yeah, you know I'm not because I know they do a lot of pre sales and and and I've seen I've seen those happening before we see 00:14:13
final Platts and so I don't know if there's a like a state code or something like that but they they. 00:14:19
Yeah, we definitely do. I like we've, you know, we've seen people doing like. 00:14:27
That the pre sales before. 00:14:32
Yeah. But I didn't know if there's something stopping them because here, you know, today they don't report it. And I have a 00:14:35
property that went through this before that because it wasn't recorded, but it was sold, but it was legal and then it was never 00:14:41
recorded. You run into issues. 00:14:47
So if we say that it's boys, but they've already pre sold a lot in there, so many things, they may have vested rights. 00:14:54
And they've sold lots. 00:15:02
Yeah. 00:15:04
Maybe the pre sale is more just putting them in line to do the official sale where they'll they'll obtain title. 00:15:07
Yeah. So a real estate sale can't be finalized and recorded unless it's tied to an APN. And usually it's that, well, not usually 00:15:13
at the recording of the plat is when the Apns are assigned, an assessor parcel number is assigned. And so any sale that happens 00:15:21
prior to an assessor parcel number being assigned to this new subdivided lot or this plat that's getting. 00:15:29
All recorded. 00:15:38
Any cell that happens there is void, because it's not. 00:15:40
Technically tied to any legal property. 00:15:43
And so I kind of echo your question. I don't know Chair if it's best to. 00:15:46
Kind of as Anthony's going to ask questions or just save our questions till at the end of the presentation, it's whatever you 00:15:51
prefer I was also asking about. 00:15:56
Why the two years rather than the one year? Because that does open the door, in my opinion, for. 00:16:01
Challenges and problems to. 00:16:08
So we allowed for the two years to give developers or applicants more time to get deducted in the row because it. 00:16:12
Understanding based on previous applications or has been that it takes a lot more time for them to get. 00:16:20
Everything ready and going for building to start so. 00:16:27
Right, but it's to record. Is there a requirement that means construction has to commence immediately after recording? 00:16:32
I think I need some help at this point. 00:16:43
In a similar public works director city engine. 00:16:49
So the way with the plot, the way plot works in construction. 00:16:53
If a developer gets preliminary bot. 00:16:57
And is wishing to proceed with construction. They would be required to do a performance bond. 00:17:00
Which is at 110%. 00:17:06
Cost construction review that approved by myself and Patrick. 00:17:09
As well and if. 00:17:15
Which would guarantee the you know the completion of the lots prior to the completion prior to official flapping recorded on that. 00:17:18
In regards to receiving OCC. 00:17:27
For lots being sold prior. 00:17:31
A official final plot to be done. 00:17:33
That would, I believe that would not be typically allowed by the by the state too, so builders will not be able to sell a lot. 00:17:38
Until the final path. 00:17:46
Officially. 00:17:48
So it really comes down to so recording the plots and not. It really just comes down to. 00:17:50
The type of bond that the developer would place for the city. 00:17:57
But there's plenty of developers out there that will get the lots ready. 00:18:01
And then will sell to various home builders, yeah. And so my question is, is there any timeline I'm not aware of, any state where 00:18:04
there is a timeline of? 00:18:09
After you have recorded a plat, you have to commence. So in terms of if, when, if that's recorded and this is part of the part of 00:18:13
the the percentage of the designs. 00:18:20
So after Applause recorded, there's no requirement in terms of starting construction. I used to be in the private development 00:18:26
business many, many years ago. 00:18:30
We would have, we get the zoning approvals and so forth. We record the plots and there was there was the plot would be recorded 00:18:34
with the lots and we would make the determination of whether. 00:18:39
To develop or sell the whole entire thing, sell portions of. 00:18:45
However, what for on the engineering side and thing the time requirement comes down to is even after the plasma records, before 00:18:49
they would build, they would have to submit 100% complete designs. 00:18:55
So for example, someone. 00:19:02
Submits records. 00:19:04
And then five years later, decides to develop it. 00:19:07
They would need to meet the construction standards at the time that they submit prior to developing the time that they submit the 00:19:12
the construction permit to to actually build. 00:19:17
So they would. 00:19:23
Which should not. 00:19:24
Per SE, the plot itself, it really just comes down to the standards of the utilities, etcetera. 00:19:26
But they would. In essence, they would be entitled to. 00:19:32
Any other type of development standards, for example railway was. 00:19:36
Of the planet that at that. 00:19:40
So there's no set standard of when someone has to. 00:19:43
Build after it's been plotted again, I haven't been the private sector we've. 00:19:47
We've had developments, Plott. 00:19:52
Sat there for four or five years because of the economy. 00:19:55
Because we cannot afford to actually develop. 00:19:59
And this is referring to when a final plot is approved by the city to when it gets recorded. So not it's not like it's a 00:20:01
construction piece of it. So yeah, like this is. 00:20:06
So this allow for for that to be to be recorded with the county and after it's been approved by the city. 00:20:12
And recorded with the county if correct me if I'm wrong. 00:20:19
The balls in the city's hands in order to get recorded. 00:20:22
Not per SE the developer. 00:20:27
Because after it's been proved that Myelarshaus, everything is signed and there's no, there's no changes to the plot. Yeah, 00:20:29
typically your final plot gets recorded and then I think that's when you guys are finishing up your technical review and then it's 00:20:36
the signature process, any of those signatures. Yeah, the only difference like and I'll use a recent example from when they were 00:20:42
in plot is approved to. 00:20:48
There might be some changes again, Patrick and I, we recently did one where all the changes were administrative changes for 00:20:55
example. 00:20:59
The addressing. 00:21:04
Was wrong, like there's some there's an area where the addressing was. 00:21:07
That was backwards in essence, like it was going to reverse order that the county wanted to be in a certain order. 00:21:10
Or there. 00:21:16
A St. 00:21:17
Was continue the street. It had a name on it, but the county stated that they had to have two separate names for that. So 00:21:19
everything was all the changes that that occurred with the plot. 00:21:24
Was all done administratively. 00:21:28
Wasn't any changes to the law sizes, wasn't changes to any alignment. 00:21:30
We can probably have this discussion later to get more. I don't want to hijack your presentation anymore unless other members of 00:21:35
the board or Commission have wanted to talk about it further. 00:21:40
OK. 00:21:49
So the so these are the additional code changes by being recommended by SB174. 00:21:55
The Accessory Drilling Unit Parking minimums for accessory drilling units. 00:22:05
Would be changed from 5:00 to 4:00 and it's a state requirement now. 00:22:11
We no longer require landscaping bonds to give certificates of occupancy. 00:22:18
So the only way we can ensure that landscaping is done or all these improvements are done? 00:22:26
Would be, would have to be through our code enforcement. 00:22:32
Maybe just to provide a little meat to those two. So the first one if you remember I think a couple years ago, I think today you 00:22:39
you were on the Commission at that time, but we. 00:22:43
So that the state with Adu is another one of those housing things they keep kind of reducing the requirements that cities can have 00:22:49
an ADUS. 00:22:52
We were able to require one additional space. Right now, single family homes require for parking on site parking spaces, so that 00:22:56
allowed us to require a fifth for a house with an Adu. 00:23:01
They've now come back and they've said no. If you require 4, you can only require 4 for single family, even if it's a single 00:23:07
family with an Adu. 00:23:11
And so when we had our work session with the with the City Council they there there was some interest in in trying to work on the 00:23:15
state level and then new legislative session to possibly see if they can get that back because in a city like a vineyard that that 00:23:20
actually could have a pretty big impact. 00:23:25
You know, so we don't necessarily know how extensive about that. Right now we're only allowed to do 4. So we got to make that 00:23:31
amendment. 00:23:34
Hopefully we can bump that back up to. 00:23:37
And then the other with the landscaping bonds. 00:23:41
That's. 00:23:45
Yeah. So when I take like an office building for instance, the office building is constructed, they haven't installed their 00:23:46
landscaping. We will no longer be able to hold up their certificate of occupancy. 00:23:51
Based off the landscaping and like require bond we've done. That's how we do it now if they don't install. 00:23:58
And so we just have to let. 00:24:04
Have their certificate of occupancy and then work through code enforcement and say you're in violation to the landscaping. 00:24:06
So it might create a little bit more work on the back end, but that's that's how it's set up right now. 00:24:13
So this table shows the designated approval board that we have in the city. 00:24:22
City Council will. 00:24:28
Remain as the approval body for general plan master plans. 00:24:30
As well as rezoning text amendments and development agreements, now with the preliminary plat as a recap, has changed from City 00:24:35
Council to Planning Commission and with the final plots as well it has changed from City Council to the DRC, building permits and. 00:24:45
Building permits will still remain the same development stuff. 00:24:55
So next steps today we're having this public hearing January 17th. 00:25:02
Next week we will be having a City Council one and. 00:25:08
Hopefully it will be passed, our decision will be made. 00:25:13
So the proposed. 00:25:20
Umm for this? 00:25:23
Code Amendment Proposed Code Amendment. 00:25:27
Would be that. 00:25:30
You propose to forward a positive recommend. 00:25:32
To the City Council for Ord. 00:25:35
202412 and three as presented by staff. 00:25:39
Thank you and please let me know. Let us know if you have any further questions and if I can just hammer one more point just and I 00:25:48
know Anthony covered this, but this. 00:25:52
So the state code only requires. 00:25:57
This process for one and two family dwellings that would be single family home and in duplexes and townhomes. 00:26:00
What staff is proposing is that all subdivision plots follow the same process. 00:26:07
We that's how they are now. They all follow the same process. It makes from administrative standpoint much easier. 00:26:12
And for the development community provides a lot more predictability as far as process goes. So that would be our recommendation 00:26:20
is that we keep those the same. But you don't have to make that recommendation, we just want to be very clear that you can still 00:26:24
have. 00:26:29
Multifamily. 00:26:35
And commercial sub? 00:26:37
Go through the existing process with the City Council. 00:26:39
But we would recommend that they all follow the same proposed process. So that's how they're written up. So if you want to change 00:26:42
that, you'd have to make it clear in the in the motion if you if you don't want to do that. 00:26:47
Just make that clear. Thank you. I have a question on the changes because I mentioned the fee schedule in there, right, of how 00:26:54
that the plat review or engineering review is done and it's going from the requester pays all the fees, so now it's a standard fee 00:26:59
schedule, is that right? 00:27:05
So what's the, what's the impact of that? How does that actually change things? Is it just everybody pays the same set fee 00:27:10
regardless of? 00:27:14
The type of plat, single family, multi family. So am I, am I correct in like so we just follow our fee schedule now what and so we 00:27:19
we do that anyway we can't require fees that don't that that are above and beyond what the actual review process is. 00:27:27
That was kind of a more archaic provision that was in there. We used to have, we used Juv engineering for a really long time and 00:27:36
and using a consultant to your views is quite expensive and so that's that's where it would allow us to assess fees. 00:27:43
In addition, just to a straight application fee, so that we could cover the consultants. 00:27:50
Correct if I'm wrong the same. 00:27:56
But we pretty much on the same page like like they like, right, We just have them all follow the same fee schedule now as opposed 00:27:58
to assessing separately, Yeah, correct. So for example, the technical review on the engineering review is set to. 00:28:05
A. Set view up to so many pages. I mean so which? 00:28:13
Patrick and I, it was in with internal discussions and Patrick recently coming from the private sector during the civil designs. 00:28:18
As well you know those were a good obtainable that was a fair number and then to also include like the the amount of time that we 00:28:26
would typically put in there, there is a, there is a cap on it. 00:28:32
You know, 3 reviews. 00:28:39
On the type. So this way when we get because typically we would get. 00:28:42
Designs. 00:28:47
Designs and trying to keep up with the fees that we would have to assess the developer beforehand like trying to say OK well this 00:28:50
is what's good cost. The fee schedule really wasn't cognizant to what the designs the reviews were actually. So we would do like. 00:28:57
It would be like 10:15. I'm exaggerating some of those numbers reviews this actually puts like. 00:29:04
A good number. So this way it provides that the engineers, the developers. 00:29:10
A cap of how many times we would do a review. 00:29:18
Beforehand and then also kind of on the backside requesting. 00:29:23
On the primary plot side, things where they don't have to submit a complete complete design upfront. 00:29:28
That you know the design would come at the technical review portion with when they're ready to actually start doing the 00:29:34
construction development. 00:29:38
On that. So that's cognizant. I'm kind of providing that type of. 00:29:42
Of that. And then there's other, there's we've kinda set it up with other fees and it's also consistent across the board. 00:29:47
In terms of. 00:29:53
In terms of the fees to ensure that we're providing. 00:29:55
Affair, but a fair balance and consistent scheduling. We do have a provision. 00:29:59
For a specialized reviews like for example if we had to do a hydraulic modeling. 00:30:06
For a developer that we would charge the cost of what the consultant would charge. 00:30:12
We have a hydraulic modeling consultant. 00:30:18
On where it would be their cost plus 10%. So we do have like that what if scenario if we have to go out to a third party to 00:30:21
provide a specialized and like unbiased review of something? 00:30:29
As well. So I guess my concern would just be making sure it's scalable so like somebody building a single family home. 00:30:37
Usually I would assume would have lower fees than. 00:30:43
Building something much bigger and correct. And so the single family home would be would fall underneath the land development. So 00:30:46
we would have like a land development permit, it would fall underneath that and there's a land development permit for a certain 00:30:52
size like under 50 or excuse me, half acre and above and above a half acre. 00:30:58
So those someone who buys a lot and is going to. 00:31:05
And you know, Joe the builder is going to come and build that one thing they're not paying. 00:31:11
Like almost a $3000 fee. 00:31:16
For a more simplistic review. 00:31:18
Oh my. Like what, 5 or 7 pages? 00:31:20
It's a land of land of service permit at a much lower rate and that's usually based on the size of the lot and disturbance of the 00:31:24
lot and and also the plotting process does have included prices per lot, so you know A1 lot subdivision. 00:31:31
Is a different price than, you know, a 20 lot final plat. 00:31:39
Thank you. 00:31:43
But you're good if you want to invite the public. Is it OK if I ask just a couple questions before. OK, thanks. So first I just 00:31:51
want to say thank you, Anthony. I know this was a lot of work, not just to prepare the presentation, but to write all of this 00:31:57
ordinance stuff. So thank you. A lot of states right now are issuing a lot of these different state bills regarding housing trying 00:32:02
to. 00:32:08
Just sweep along as quick as possible. Some are so incredibly extreme, I'm grateful that this Utah one at least gives us enough 00:32:14
local control so that we can still have at least some kind of design review and architectural review beforehand. 00:32:21
With that being said, there are a couple questions that I had. I did e-mail Anthony before just a few clarifying questions. He did 00:32:30
answer all of them and I was satisfied with them. There's just two items that I wanted to raise for just a matter of discussion 00:32:36
with all of us to see if we're all on the same page with it. 00:32:42
The first one, I'm still not totally satisfied with the moving the time period to record a platform one year to two years, and 00:32:48
that might just be another discussion with staff to fully better understand why that was needed. If it's a matter of making your 00:32:54
job easier so that things can be done more properly, totally support it. I want to do whatever would make your job easier. I just 00:33:00
want to get a better understanding as to the why. 00:33:06
The second one was I understood that it was what the state law required. We kind of have to do it. 00:33:13
The requirement of the state regarding the landscape standards and landscape improvements. 00:33:19
Before we were able to say. 00:33:25
That when before you can get a CFO a certificate of occupancy or before we release any bonds, you have to make sure your landscape 00:33:28
is put in. You said you'd put trees on the plans. Where are the trees? Unfortunately now with state law, it's like. 00:33:35
Don't hold up the houses for that. Let them put it in without any trees. 00:33:42
That. 00:33:46
We hate that. 00:33:47
So what? I asked Anthony, and he said that would just be addressed by code enforcement, so I just want to make sure. 00:33:48
Once the CFO is received, there will be some kind of standard letter that said here's your certificate of occupancy. 00:33:54
Your building is now safe. People can live. 00:34:01
I want to introduce you to our code enforcement officer. They are going to make sure you plant those trees within next days. Is 00:34:03
that what we're expecting the process to be more or less, yeah. So we do a planning review a bit before we do a certificate of 00:34:08
occupy in this case we, you know, we. 00:34:13
You know, landscape, it has not has not been been installed and then we provide a time frame on that and then if not installed 00:34:51
then we start going through that process. Perfect. And now rather than that being a violation of the building code, it would just 00:34:57
be a violation of other design standards of our community. So there's no enforcement. 00:35:03
In violation of their site plan. Excellent. OK, And then the other item that I just want to do before we entertain motions is. 00:35:10
There's been a couple times in the ordinance where it refers to the RDA director. 00:35:21
I would just say spell it out as the Redevelopment agency, just, yeah, that would be my only item. OK, good suggestion. We can do 00:35:25
that. 00:35:28
And that's why you don't need to put that. We can just do that, that's fine. 00:35:34
OK. Any more questions from I think Anthony was? 00:35:42
Do we have like the at least the acronym in the code? We already have it in the code, but I've noted that and would have that 00:35:47
corrected. Thank you. 00:35:51
Cool. Nice to have a process. Thank you. 00:35:58
Yeah. As far as the, the, the one to two year from from the staff level, I think it just provides more time and that kind of helps 00:36:04
out with the overall process. I don't know if that's like a deal killer or anything like that if. 00:36:10
You know, the one to two year. 00:36:17
Or is it is that to assist and provide the time for like your their technical review and for getting like the utilities and that 00:36:21
kind of stuff like I guess from from a process wise do you guys? 00:36:26
That concerns. 00:36:32
I think the timeline. 00:36:34
Was. 00:36:41
It's my voice. 00:36:48
Yeah, I think it was to help with the technical review process or the. 00:36:51
The review process and getting that recorded. 00:36:56
In a timely manner so that the process didn't have to be restarted, but we can certainly look at that. 00:37:01
More, this is really not working here. 00:37:08
Maybe before City Council. I like if you have examples of where. 00:37:11
You know, like the one year was was was pushing people out out of compliance with the current standard. 00:37:18
I don't know. Do you guys have any examples of that or anything like that? 00:37:24
I do. So Holdaway Fields, they recently finally got their, their final plat recorded and it was like 51 weeks or something like 00:37:28
that from their approval date that we got it to the county. Just there were a lot of things holding them up from getting it 00:37:33
recorded. 00:37:38
And so that I think is one of the things that sparked this conversation of, you know, the county doesn't have a requirement on 00:37:44
when this gets reported. They didn't care at all about the date that it was approved by the City Council. But if it would have 00:37:49
been one week later that we got it to this to the county, we would have had to go through the whole process again, which is a 00:37:54
pretty big administrative burden and that that's. 00:37:59
An example that I can think of recently that was the clarification I needed, adjusted the interaction with the other agencies 00:38:04
involved in order to get it done. 00:38:08
You know that give 18 months as they get that 18th month then they can make another request. I mean that's there, there, there 00:38:45
there's ways of kind of getting to the same goal. 00:38:49
Sure. And I don't know if it matters if there's some kind of transaction between whoever applied for and went through the process 00:38:54
of the original plat. 00:38:58
And then the new owners want to do something different. You can always amend Platts as the property owner. You have the right to 00:39:02
submit what you want to do on your own property. 00:39:06
And so no with that clarification any concerns I have are gone. Great. Thanks. 00:39:11
And so it would be good. 00:39:18
Prior to more Planning Commission discussion to have the allow the public to get up and then we can we can discuss any of their 00:39:20
questions or concerns. 00:39:25
OK. And public hearing, We move and vote, OK. 00:39:31
Who would we like to get? 00:39:36
Movement for public hearing. 00:39:38
Well, I moved to open the public hearing. Thank you to hear from and a. 00:39:42
Second, all in favor. Aye. Thank you. All right. Public, you have whoever would like to come and speak to this. You have 3 00:39:46
minutes. Please state your name and where you live. 00:39:52
Or your neighborhood. We don't need your address. 00:39:58
Kim Cornelius resident. 00:40:01
I just want to lend my perspective as a 25 year general building contractor in California, both on residential and commercial 00:40:04
properties. 00:40:07
Interacted heavily with both of those. 00:40:11
Entities if you want to. 00:40:15
In some discussion at the City Council meeting last week, talked with two or three of the council members. 00:40:18
They are not yay or nay right now on the streamlining of the process between commercial, industrial and residential as far as the 00:40:24
approval process goes. 00:40:29
I know from my personal experience the commercial side of things is intimately more intimately. That's not the right word. 00:40:35
Significantly more involved in the residential side is. 00:40:41
And so my suggestion would be in your approving this tonight. 00:40:46
And I think there's some wisdom that the state didn't mandate that those go together and be streamlined in the same process. 00:40:51
I think another set of eyes on it in the process, whether it's before the DRC. I don't think you'd put it after the DRC, but let 00:40:58
the DRC be the the approving. 00:41:02
But one more set of eyes with the city. 00:41:08
Just gives you that maybe a little bit more assurance that you've covered all the bases, there's nothing lingering out there that 00:41:11
somebody missed or we need to make sure we're just accounting for? 00:41:16
So I just make that recommendation that maybe. 00:41:21
Maybe talk it through, have them talk it through. Do something to make sure that. 00:41:24
You know which way you want to go, but I would suggest that you don't link the two together and make it a continuous process. 00:41:28
Daria Evans. 00:41:43
Resident Thank you. I just have a couple of questions. 00:41:45
When you were talking about the landscaping, is that retroactive to? 00:41:49
Development that are in the process like I'm thinking. 00:41:55
Utah City or Holdaway? 00:41:59
Will they not have to put their landscaping in now before they issue certificates of occupancy? Yes, you're correct, as soon as 00:42:02
it's approved. 00:42:06
It'd be in fact with, with, with anything. 00:42:11
Oh my gosh. 00:42:14
All that is. 00:42:18
A disappointment? 00:42:19
Oh. Oh, that just. 00:42:20
That's really bad. OK going on I. 00:42:23
I found some typographical errors, I don't know if that's important, but in 14.04 point. 00:42:27
1. 00:42:36
You should change the word and. 00:42:39
Where it says planner and engineer on a formal. 00:42:42
Basis instead. 00:42:46
Formal. 00:42:48
Correct English. 00:42:50
And then also I also noticed on. 00:42:52
14.06 point. 00:42:56
02. 00:42:58
It has city. 00:43:00
And you've been striking the word. 00:43:03
So I don't know if that needs to be. 00:43:05
Two. And then I have one more question. There's a lot of red. 00:43:07
And under the geotechnical report. 00:43:12
You know Vineyard is prone to liquefaction. You know that's just the way the soil is here. 00:43:16
Thanks to Lake Bonneville, but redlining all about the grading and drainage plan. 00:43:23
Why is that all struck out? 00:43:29
Anthony, can you, can you answer that one? I know we talked about that before I think, I think that was. 00:43:34
Captured somewhere else. 00:43:40
I can talk to you. That's under the preliminary plat or preliminary subdivision. 00:43:42
So we kept in there the geotechnical report for a preliminary geotechnical report for the preliminary subdivision code. 00:43:51
And so that will Capt. 00:44:01
Just general hazards for. 00:44:04
And so, so there, so that is still in there or part of it is OK, I just could, I guess I just couldn't find it, but OK. And we 00:44:10
also do geotext with the for the building permits first that each specific site. So as part of the building permit the billing 00:44:17
department will review this and I know there is a minimum standard that they need to follow. 00:44:24
Could we? Possibly. 00:44:32
Raise that standard so that these people. 00:44:34
Build better for our community in case. 00:44:38
Something. 00:44:43
You know, we don't know. 00:44:44
Or I mean if when it will happen, so we should try to build to a better standard? 00:44:47
For all of our community because. 00:44:54
Things happen. Yeah, we could bring that question to Chris Johnson, our building official. 00:44:57
I think maybe you want to take a note of that. 00:45:03
He'll he'll be at the City Council. We could have. 00:45:06
You know that address that. See if there's anything in addition to the building code we can require. 00:45:09
All right. Thank you. Thank you. 00:45:14
I'm sorry, this is the same for the works. 00:45:17
Just to kind of clarify that one last question. 00:45:20
There are any kind of changes that regards to the build to standards of building designs for making it stronger and so forth would 00:45:23
be specifically to the building code and would be outside this update. 00:45:30
So even if this update goes goes through and for if the city chooses that they would like to do something else. 00:45:37
Pertaining to that last point there would be it would have to go through a building code update. 00:45:45
And of course, Chris Johnson is specifically about state law requirements and so forth on. 00:45:51
OK. Just want to make sure you're. 00:45:57
Thanks, Matt. 00:45:59
Karen Cornelius from your. 00:46:03
So my understanding after Daria's question. 00:46:07
Is that this does pertain to Utah City as well, this change. 00:46:10
Yeah, for landscaping. It covers the whole city. So will landscaping now become? 00:46:15
The responsibility of the homeowner or will it continue to be the developer's responsibility? Could I speak to that real quick? 00:46:22
Sure. So ultimately, what's happening? And that's why I asked for the clarification before it used to be. I will not give you the 00:46:28
piece of paper that says you can occupy this building. 00:46:34
Unless you put in all the trees you said you're gonna put. 00:46:40
State law has now said, well, you can't do. 00:46:43
Or it used to be you have to put in a bond that's ultimately holding money in collateral. 00:46:45
And we're not going to give you that back unless you put in all the trees you say you're going to put in. State law has taken that 00:46:51
away. 00:46:54
But ultimately, all that's. 00:46:58
It says now you can't use this Hamm. 00:47:00
Now we'll have to use this hammer instead. 00:47:02
We're still going to have. 00:47:05
Only now it's going to be done through code. 00:47:06
Rather than through the building official. 00:47:09
So if the trees aren't put in. 00:47:11
Code enforcement calls them up and says you got to put the trees. 00:47:13
And so that's ultimately what it has to do, and that will be and code enforcement is taken upon whoever. 00:47:16
The property owner at that time when the code enforcement infraction occurs, so then it could come to the homeowner. 00:47:25
When that infraction occurs. So if they build the home and get a certificate of occupancy. 00:47:32
And the tree isn't there. They're probably calling the developer because the developer is still. 00:47:38
The property own. 00:47:43
Or the home builder is still the property owner at the time the CFO. 00:47:44
OK, well code enforcement is one of my concerns because. 00:47:49
When we talked about the Adu Par. 00:47:53
And there being 5 required now, what is the enforcement on that? 00:47:56
So there's or. So it actually reduces it from 5:00 to, I understand that, but who is enforcing the five at this point they So what 00:48:01
they do is they get an Adu permit and so they I understand all that, but who is enforcing it? 00:48:08
So before we give that so just lately let me explain. So before we give them a permit they have to demonstrate on their site that 00:48:15
they have five part parking spaces. They they they won't get it up. So we we do an inspection. 00:48:22
And and then they get the permit if they meet all the requirements. So they go through like a planning process, they submit the 00:48:29
plans, they build it, we inspect the built conditions, if they have the five spaces, we have dimensional requirements then then 00:48:34
they'll they'll get the permit. So that's that's something that the planning department does as part of our inspections. So nobody 00:48:39
enforces the use of those places though they can park wherever they want is that, I mean I'm just saying that parking in 00:48:44
neighborhoods is out of control. 00:48:50
Even the ones that you know. 00:48:55
Two car driveways. 00:48:58
And street parking in front of their houses, out of control because of their Adu units. 00:49:00
And so my question is if we're going to look at enforce. 00:49:05
For our landscaping. 00:49:10
I understand the enforcement is taking place at the time of permitting. 00:49:12
But then once that is. 00:49:16
What happens to that enforcement? 00:49:18
So I don't and this may not be the body to answer that question. No, these are these are really great, great questions Karen. So 00:49:20
what what we do right now is we can enforce things if we can show that they're they're violated rule. 00:49:27
And so. 00:50:05
That that's just kind of where where we're at. We don't, we don't. 00:50:06
Like a citywide parking program that that has specific like no on street parking regulations for every neighborhoods it's as it's 00:50:10
as the the majority of the of the residents living there applying and institute a program so basically it's just a formality then 00:50:17
for them to show you. 00:50:23
That they have those places, but nobody's going to insist that they. 00:50:29
Yeah, right now we can only enforce like a rule that that we have and we don't. We don't say you can't park on streets. 00:50:34
It's been specifically designated. 00:50:41
OK. OK. Thank you. Yeah, I understand your frustration. I think it's shared by many. 00:50:43
So. 00:50:48
David Luray, residents. 00:50:59
Thank you very much for your work. 00:51:03
Planning Commission appreciate it very much. I appreciate. 00:51:06
You know, the questioning is much better this time than I've seen in many changes that have been requested, so thank you very 00:51:09
much. 00:51:11
Your work at looking at it ahead of time and. 00:51:15
And asking really. 00:51:17
I have a couple of concerns. 00:51:19
First of all, I likewise share the concern about extending. 00:51:22
The recording. 00:51:27
Plots to two years just on a broad. 00:51:29
I really would encourage you to look at the idea of a year plus the ability to request a four or six month extension, something 00:51:33
like that. 00:51:37
That would make it work. 00:51:41
We don't want to, you know, we don't want to unduly stress people, but the same time we we also want to avoid. 00:51:44
Situations that would entangle. 00:51:50
Would cause any undue legal entanglements. 00:51:53
When it comes to property. 00:51:55
So I'm just thinking that might be the way to go. 00:51:57
Add you parking, obviously we. 00:52:01
We were bummed when they told us we couldn't have 6 bases. We only have 5, so we're doubly bummed now. 00:52:06
I'm wondering is there any restriction on the size a size requirement for those parking spaces? 00:52:12
Could any of them be extra wide perhaps? 00:52:19
I mean, have you seen the, have you seen the square footage of the plots here? Yes, my house. I mean, I put in two parking places 00:52:23
in my but so cash, correct? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's an 8 foot width by by 18 feet in length. 00:52:31
And that's where it currently is. Now this, the state requires that or is that? That's our that's our code. Yeah. For 4AD US for 00:52:40
like in a driveway. I know I had to build two of them yeah. So anyway, but so the question is could we modify that code so it's. 00:52:49
Well, it seems to me that if we can investigate that, that might be helpful, something that would at least take the, you know, 00:53:33
sort of blunt that little bit. 00:53:36
And so we. 00:53:40
Really. Honestly. Have the parking? We say we. 00:53:43
And the last thing I want to talk about is. 00:53:46
I'm real concerned about the DRC as the final AR. 00:53:50
Of some of these plans and so forth. 00:53:54
In the past it's been a City Council and you know and all five members are have been residents. 00:53:58
And duly elected and so. 00:54:04
We now. 00:54:06
It's now one resident to six staff. I did my math right. 00:54:08
If I looked at you, you know that the RC. 00:54:11
So because you have your Planning Commission chair would be on there at the rest of. 00:54:15
And I think you guys are great. Don't get wrong. 00:54:19
The RDA director would be on there too. Well, the director is the staff, is it? 00:54:24
Or would that be the Redevelopment Agency? 00:54:28
Redevelopment Agency direct. Yeah. Is that the mayor? Am I misunderstanding? No. That's the chair. Oh, that's the chair. OK, OK. 00:54:30
So yeah, that's so yeah. So that's the reason. And so anyway. And I've. 00:54:35
And also. 00:54:40
The staff are pretty beholden to the mayor, you know, She appoints them. 00:54:43
Not staff, but us. 00:54:47
Well, you also, I mean, that's true, but. 00:54:50
But no, the marriage tires them, just doesn't appoint them. She hires the staff. She appoints you guys. Yeah. Yeah, That's the 00:54:53
difference. Yeah. Thanks. 00:54:57
So anyway, but the long and short of it is, I'd like just. 00:55:02
I think I would like to keep as many residents. 00:55:06
You know, all in the process. 00:55:09
And so, if it may be better for the Planning Commission. 00:55:11
To be the you know the last. 00:55:16
You know the proving body in that situation. Nothing wrong with the DRC looking at things and looking at and and and maybe the 00:55:18
step before. 00:55:22
Like the final approval ought to come back to the planning. 00:55:26
Yeah, that's great comment. Anthony, do you want to provide some clarification as to the state code? 00:55:29
All right. So your question just to clarify is you want to make, you want to know if we can change it from DRC to Planning 00:55:40
Commission. Well, the DRC can stay in the chain, but the Planning Commission be the final approving. 00:55:46
OK, so yeah, we have our we have our other planner. She's the one who helped Anthony write this. 00:55:55
State code is saying the final plat for the one. 00:56:03
Family units on town. 00:56:07
The final plaque cannot be approved by the Planning Commission or City Council or City Council. Yeah, and so the preliminary plat 00:56:10
can be approved by the Planning Commission. 00:56:15
But not by the City Council, if I may, If I can. Sure, yeah. 00:56:20
I have been doing planning stuff with different States and there was another state I worked. 00:56:28
That is West of us and left of us that had. 00:56:33
Very, very aggressive. 00:56:37
Housing laws that even took it any kind of building per. 00:56:40
Away from any kind of public body, what I think is a win from here, even though final plat. 00:56:45
Can't be from public bodies like this. The preliminary plat can. 00:56:51
And that's the 50% of the plans. That first 50% is when you get probably the best idea of what that neighborhood or subdivision is 00:56:56
going to look like. That last 50% is ultimately the sausage. You know, that's your really intense details that most of us are not 00:57:02
equipped. 00:57:08
To answer, that's when you need people with engineering licenses to really dive into that to make sure it's meeting, not just city 00:57:14
codes. 00:57:18
Building codes and fire codes and all of those items that first 50% which is covered in the preliminary plat will be during public 00:57:23
hearings, will be in during these public settings. And that's when you're going to be getting things like how tall is the 00:57:29
building, how many parking spaces are there, what's this going to look like. 00:57:35
So I would take that as a win that we can still at least retain the preliminary plat approvals in these public hearings because I 00:57:40
think that's what. 00:57:45
That first 50% is what I believe 99% of the community is really going to care about. Oh, I'm sorry, and just to clarify and that 00:57:50
that's a great point. But another thing, the state code code is that we can't have public hearings. 00:57:56
Attached to any any planning process on the Planning Commission side. So you can. OK. Thank you. Yeah. Right. So unfortunately 00:58:02
even that even that that piece was what was removed. But it can be an action item in a public meeting. It can. Yeah. There we go. 00:58:07
Yeah. OK. OK. Thanks for. 00:58:11
All right. So what you're saying then is it's possible to have the Planning Commission be the final approving body for the 00:58:17
preliminary plat? 00:58:20
Application. 00:58:23
And that's and that's what you have here. I think I see because I look at the chart. 00:58:25
OK. All right. Well, I appreciate the clarification. 00:58:29
Sorry, sorry for that. Thank you for your service. 00:58:33
OK, motion to close the public session. Do we have a second? 00:58:44
Second, all in favor. 00:58:50
OK. 00:58:54
I mean at this point. 00:58:57
Do we on Commission have any more questions or I have a comment on one of them for the certificate of occupancy? 00:58:59
They've taken away a lot of our enforcement capability there. 00:59:09
And I know there's going to be continued these situations where you're not going to have landscaping put in right away, but you're 00:59:13
going to have developers still wanting to get additional permits. But it makes sense to tie it to I guess one, make it very clear 00:59:19
that when you do the review for certificate of occupancy, it identifies if there's non compliance and then defines any ongoing 00:59:25
fines, go to the developer on record for that permit. 00:59:31
And never to the homeowner until the developer. 00:59:37
Essentially verifies that compliance has been met for that landscaping. Like I see scenarios where developers can push it off. 00:59:40
And that would be a separate essentially, if you want another permit, you know you agree to whatever this agreement is, but it 01:00:17
puts it firmly. 01:00:20
On the developer to meet those obligations. 01:00:23
Because I remember when we were building this flagship, we never had a final berm put in. We moved in in January, so we had a lot 01:00:26
of issues with with the ground water. Final grading wasn't, you know, done appropriately until they landscaped. We had water 01:00:31
coming into the wells. 01:00:36
And we literally, we had to spend 6 months to convince them that you never even put the berm in. They thought no, we did it and 01:00:41
you know, it just washed away. So that final landscaping, those aspects. 01:00:46
I think it's important to account for it and make it that they have to do it and we don't put any burden. 01:00:51
On the occupant that they've sold a property to. 01:00:57
How we're trained in Utah is. 01:01:03
The the code enforcement always has to go to the property. 01:01:06
And so Jamie is going to actually come and do a do a training with. 01:01:10
He's gonna do the open meetings, law training and then just have general training. So I think code enforcement might be a really 01:01:13
good one that we can dig in with him and then we can meet with him too and see, cuz to your point. 01:01:20
I agree. I mean it feels like the developer is the one kind of get getting to getting away with kind of an obligation And so it'd 01:01:28
be great if I could go back to them. But how it's set up right now is code enforcement always has to go to the property owner. And 01:01:35
so trying to kind of kind of kind of find you know a way that we can put put that obligation on the developer. 01:01:42
One of the ways to make sure the developer is ultimately on the hook is putting liens on the property, which code enforcement 01:02:20
usually does as the very last resort. 01:02:25
But you can record a notice of intent to file a lien that ultimately doesn't have a whole lot of meat to it. 01:02:29
But it scares the heebie jeebies out of anyone trying to sell a property if there's any kind of flag. 01:02:37
That says there's a notice of intent to. 01:02:45
And so I'd ask our city attorney to check to see if that's even an option, I think that is. 01:02:49
It could be considered fairly extreme and ultimately that's not our decision, but I'd like to just explore that as a possibility. 01:02:55
I think that could get to Chris's point as well. We do notices of non compliance. We've done that quite a bit and so. 01:03:01
Yeah, let's explore. So something that's tied to the title. Yeah, because something that's tied to the title would get developers 01:03:09
attention a bit more. 01:03:14
Sometimes with stakeout, what we find is there's good intentions. 01:03:20
Get as many units as possible on board as soon as possible, but then they don't think through like these little ramifications so. 01:03:24
I would say that the team is let's get them occupied. 01:03:32
But we want builders here. They're going to finish what they're building. Absolutely. I like the idea. 01:03:35
Maybe that is a way we can we can talk to Jamie on that, but. 01:03:43
You know previous lots in that same subdivision don't have their landscaping. Can we then hold up future ones? I we, we, we can. 01:03:47
We can check on that and see if that's a possibility because that that that's the easiest answer or the OR like yeah a notice of 01:03:54
intent or not not conformance or something like that or it triggers an immediate reassessment of value of your subdivision. 01:04:01
I don't know. 01:04:10
You lose. You lose 2 lots every time you don't put the landscape. It just keeps dropping. No. So great. Yeah, we heard you guys. 01:04:13
Well, we'll make sure that's a that's a topic that. 01:04:18
That gets addressed with the with the attorney, we can find a good road map to address those. 01:04:24
The fact that people laughed at that. 01:04:31
OK. 01:04:42
Anything else? 01:04:45
Unless there's other discussion, I'm happy to make a motion. 01:04:48
I think we're ready. I think all my questions were brought up and answered, so I'm just taking notes here. 01:04:51
OK, so I'll move to forward a positive recommendation to the City Council for the ordinances presented 202412024220243 as 01:04:58
presented by staff and I'm so sorry for those taking minutes with. 01:05:05
The only amendment? 01:05:14
To please follow up with the attorney based off the items we discussed. 01:05:16
Clarifying the RDA and putting the full name of the redevelopment agency and any of the other items that we discussed during this 01:05:21
meeting that we need to follow up on. 01:05:25
OK. Do we have a second second? 01:05:30
OK. All in favor. 01:05:33
OK, bad with names. 01:05:36
We'll do our best. Chris Bramwell. Hi, Kayden. 01:05:40
Tate aye. Brad I Nathan, I thank. 01:05:44
Looks like we vote in favor of forwarding, and that brings us to. 01:05:49
Item four, our work session. 01:05:54
Or Section 4, Item 4.1 Technology Element of the General Plan. 01:05:58
Looks like Morgan will lead a discussion with us regarding amendments to the technology element, to the general plan, it looks 01:06:05
like. 01:06:09
There's some work done on the security aspect with Chris here. Yeah, a little bit so as part of the general plan, so. 01:06:14
We know that privacy and personal information and security of that information is really important to the public. We heard that 01:06:21
quite a bit. If you remember, we worked with SRT Labs. They're a group that that was helping us kind of think through like smart 01:06:28
technologies as we as we implement technology to provide more efficient services. 01:06:35
To the public, you know, like they kind of helped us think through some of those, some of those ideas just to put them out there 01:06:43
was like parking. Parking is obviously always a concern we hear about into every meeting, which. 01:06:49
You know, it's very clear that there's some there, there's some issues with that. But in the enforcement and kind of the overall 01:06:55
solutions for parking, you know, could be things like having people's license plate data and we're seeing some of that with 01:07:00
structured parking. 01:07:04
And and also if there's like security cameras do people want want you know a file save somewhere showing showing with their face 01:07:09
and you know like those are those are real concerns that that. 01:07:15
That. 01:07:21
And those concerns that the city has as well part part of like the technology stuff that we talked about in the past was more of. 01:07:24
Kind of in the realm of how do we have better water conservation. We've gone through a drought. You know, I think we're made 01:07:33
technically still be in the drought. 01:07:38
And so today's not I heard. Yes, I just know I've been skiing a lot, so. 01:07:45
I'm just, I'm loving all the powder. 01:07:52
But and and also things like we're we're going to be improving the lake. We want to add you know trash containers down there and 01:07:55
having sensors that can tell us when you know the trash is full. Like that's typically kind of like the the type of technology 01:08:02
that that that we want not necessarily like facial recognition and that kind of stuff. 01:08:08
You know, how do we, how do we make sure we're not sending a Public Works employee out to empty an empty trash can downtown by the 01:08:15
lake? It's that kind of stuff building in efficiencies with our with our staffing and trying to deliver. 01:08:22
Those public services as efficiently as we can and so as part of the planning, the City Council requested that the Planning 01:08:30
Commission look at the the general plan specifically and just provide some guiding language that'll help us as we implement 01:08:35
technology as we. 01:08:40
Purchase software and that kind of stuff that will help to ensure that we're protecting people's privacy. And so this isn't a huge 01:08:46
amendment, but provides kind of that general framework. 01:08:51
You nominated Commissioner Bramwell to assist in that airport. He's been really, really great and is, I'd say the state expert, if 01:08:57
I can say that or not. 01:09:02
But he's he's been fantastic and helping us kind of understand this industry. This is typically not an issue that a city planner 01:09:09
tackles. 01:09:13
And so having his expertise has been invaluable. So just kind of run through these and I could just kind of read them out and go 01:09:18
to adding. 01:09:22
Towards the end, so I'll just raise that. Yeah, continue to utilize and adopt advances in technology to enhance city services and 01:09:26
to improve communication and public access to all services planning and decision making while prioritizing the safeguarding of 01:09:33
citizens personal information. So it just kind of provides that general statement. Then getting down into Strategy 3, utilized 01:09:39
communication technologies, increased public awareness and involvement in city planning decision making processes. 01:09:45
And to maximize the sharing information between city and public and private entities, and then adding by adopting secure 01:09:51
communication channels and assuring to exchange, the exchange of sensitive information follows established privacy guidelines and 01:09:58
regulations. The strategy for is new implement security measures to safeguard sensitive data as part of a technological. 01:10:05
Advancements, thereby fostering public trust and confidence. Strategy 5 ensure that all current and future city contracts include 01:10:12
measures that protect sensitive data and dispose of it properly. And then there's a. 01:10:18
610. 01:10:25
Strategy 6. Update forms on which personal information is collected to ensure a notice of purpose. 01:10:32
And use of the information and assure use of the information is limited to those purposes and uses. 01:10:37
And so this will provide us kind of those general guidelines. I would assume that if the city this this would also kind of help 01:10:44
the city if they were to establish a more robust. 01:10:49
Privacy policy. 01:10:55
That you know that that that that would kind of be kind of. 01:10:57
The next step, but this would provide us just good general plan type GUID. 01:11:01
As we do city planning, if we're looking at like smart technologies or things that we can implement to provide better services 01:11:06
through technology that we are putting a priority on the privacy of our of our residents. 01:11:12
I don't know if, Commissioner Bramwell, if you have anything to add. 01:11:19
I mean just Vineyard would be I think the first city in the state. You have a lot of state and efforts happening here and and 01:11:24
large university and other public entities, but in terms of cities. 01:11:28
And protect data there? Or how do you balance it with license plate readers that police departments are using? There's no way we 01:12:08
could manage that. But as we partner with these entities, they'll have other strategies that they integrate together with what 01:12:12
we're doing to ensure that. 01:12:16
Regardless of who's collecting the data, you know, if you come to Vineyard, you should be confident that you can just, you know, 01:12:21
experience your whatever you want to do here and you're not being surveilled. 01:12:25
You have a drone overhead that follows every visitor. They have the running drones now. They like, lock onto you and they follow 01:12:33
you. Yeah, they'll see us ever doing that, yeah. 01:12:38
You have any comments, questions, additions? I just want to say when it comes to the general plan, I think this is well written. I 01:12:46
think these strategies make sense. 01:12:50
The goals and strategies are the overarch. 01:12:55
Why do we do what we do? The nitty gritty of how it's established, that is hours and hours and hours of work, modifying the 01:12:59
municipal code and other city policies in order to enact it. But when it comes to setting us in the right direction, which is what 01:13:06
the purpose of the general plan is, I think this does a great job. Thank you. 01:13:12
Yeah, I mean that was my comment. This is as I read through this and as you went through it. 01:13:20
As we talked about it, yeah, I love the overall vision, but. 01:13:25
It has to. 01:13:28
Carry through. 01:13:31
All of our current, so it says current and future city contracts. So I understand that future contracts will be more sensitive to. 01:13:33
Holding like looking through the initial contract or whatever it is and making sure the privacy. 01:13:41
Measures are taken. 01:13:48
I think we also. 01:13:50
Go back and look at how we're currently using data, what's being done and shoring up that. 01:13:52
To come into compliance with this. So kind of our discussions too like just the disposal of information like don't don't hold on 01:13:58
to people's private data if you don't need it, like you know right retention policy is always good. 01:14:04
Yeah, OK. I think this is on for for workshops. You're welcome to take public comments, not a public hearing. Our next steps, just 01:14:11
to let you know, would be to take this to City Council for a work session. Then we'll come back to you for a public hearing and 01:14:16
then City Council for public hearing and hopefully adoption. So we got a couple months. So this doesn't require any formal action. 01:14:21
No, not tonight. I just wanted to get your comments and. 01:14:27
Yeah, You're welcome. 01:14:32
On strategy three, there is one change. We say to maximize the sharing of data. Usually you you want to minimize. OK, you want to 01:14:34
use as like use it for the purpose and use but. 01:14:39
Minimize the amount of sharing of personal data you're doing, so I read that. 01:14:44
Use technology to maximize transparency. 01:14:50
In how decisions are being made, that's how I read that one, what with the original language. 01:14:53
Yeah. And I think, I think that makes sense. 01:15:00
Yeah, OK, yeah. Because it's decision making processes to maximize the sharing of information. Cuz I hate it when a decision is 01:15:03
made and I'm like what backdoor meetings, Ackman, this is saying there isn't any backdoor meetings, everything is public. By 01:15:09
adopting some cure communication channels and ensuring the exchange of sensitive information follows established privacy 01:15:15
guidelines, I think that's the way of saying share absolutely everything. 01:15:21
That is appropriate to share. 01:15:27
If there are things that are happening within closed sessions that are legally required to be closed sessions, then establish why 01:15:29
they're closed. So have transparency of the processes, technologies and procedures. Facilitators, Yeah, but not of the 01:15:35
information. Yeah, we'll play around the language and bring that back. 01:15:41
Could you repeat the exact change that you are recommending so I can note it? I didn't recommend any exact change, it was just 01:15:48
clarifying what the intent of strategy three was, which I believe was to encourage transparency. 01:15:55
In any information or data that the decision making bodies were using to make said decisions. 01:16:03
Thank you. That's noted. Good. 01:16:10
David had his hand raised. Do you want to come? Please do. 01:16:14
Real quick on Strategy 5. 01:16:23
Does that also include the that we? 01:16:25
That contractors as well as future contracts would protect the data is that wording. 01:16:29
Strong enough to make sure that's. 01:16:35
We need to specify that in particular. Because this is not code, it doesn't have to be so specific. So this is a guideline 01:16:38
processing code. 01:16:42
One of the guidelines you want to have is the contractors will be. 01:16:47
You know, whatever standards we have in place. Obviously the standards won't be in this document though. That's the nitty gritty 01:16:51
as you spoke of it was, but still it would be good to indicate, I think that we. 01:16:57
Want them to abide by. 01:17:03
In current state code for any government entity, anybody that you share personal information with, they're supposed to abide by, 01:17:06
you know, privacy and security contractual obligations. 01:17:11
Planning. It's new concepts, but I think the fact that we're having the discussion, it allows us to test it out. I think this is a 01:17:54
perfect example of democracy where we're going to test things. They may not work, then you try something else and then I think 01:17:59
state code will catch up over the next few years. 01:18:04
But Vineyard cares enough to at least have the discussion, and and our our developers here seem more than open to have that 01:18:10
discussion as well. 01:18:14
Yeah, I think we're hearing what you're saying is let's make sure it is fully encompassing of everything and we could bold the 01:18:19
word all. 01:18:23
I think. 01:18:29
Ensure all contract. 01:18:30
That's even the contract I signed to get a library card. I want to make sure the stuff that's private, if you need my address, I 01:18:33
don't want everyone to know my address. We need to make sure we are protecting that sensitive data between my kid getting a 01:18:38
library card or between. 01:18:43
Builder XYZ Buying a pot of land that was originally owned by the city, making sure. 01:18:48
Is protect. 01:18:54
Yeah, I guess I'm suggesting is that is that the wording to be added. So, so reason sure that all current and future city 01:18:56
contracts and contractors include measures that protect sensitive. 01:19:01
As well as. 01:19:07
OK. I mean that's that. 01:19:09
A terrible thing to add. 01:19:12
That can be in the staff report. 01:19:15
I will say is that I spent a few years working in marketing and now I'm in IT and I. 01:19:19
I value protection of. 01:19:25
And so moving forward, that's a high priority for me as well. 01:19:28
Because I've seen what they can do with it. 01:19:33
It's not my favorite. 01:19:37
Anyway. 01:19:39
Yeah. So there's no action is needed and we'll we'll, yeah, we'll take your comments and we'll make some adjustments and we'll 01:19:42
work session next with City Council public hearing with you and then back to City Council public hearing. 01:19:47
OK. All right. That's it then. 01:19:54
That brings us. 01:19:59
Commission members, reports and ex parte discussion disclosure. 01:20:02
Anybody on Commission have something to say? 01:20:06
What you did this month? 01:20:10
I'll start. Mine is really brief. I just wanted to say last week I met with city staff just to get more well accustomed and 01:20:13
acclimated to what this role is, better understanding of it all, and it was a good meeting. 01:20:20
Excellent. 01:20:27
Over here. 01:20:29
Yeah, I was also in the meeting. It was great. And I think just moving forward for me just getting caught up, I'm looking forward 01:20:31
to. They mentioned Jamie will come in. Will that be in a Planning Commission meeting? 01:20:38
Where he'll give the training, the open meetings. 01:20:45
Training, which I'm looking forward to, just becoming more familiar. 01:20:48
With the roles and responsibilities and what how I can contribute on this Commission and then? 01:20:52
Yeah, just moving forward the the required education and and trainings that that I need to go to and that we all need to do on a 01:20:57
yearly basis, so. 01:21:02
Yeah, that's it for me. And there are some good trainings coming up. There's the. 01:21:07
Bikes. 01:21:15
And that's always a fun one. You just see all the bike initiatives that the state has coming up if you want to look up the date on 01:21:16
that. And then the other is the Utah APA. That's the general planning one. That was a lot of fun and it'll be in Cedar City and we 01:21:21
budgeted to send whoever wants to go. 01:21:27
We understand that typically those are like right in the week, so. 01:21:32
What is that? Is May 31st? Oh, last year. OK, yeah. When we get the date for the bikes, I'm gonna let you know. Do you want to 01:21:37
look at you type? Yeah, I think that's in May I. 01:21:42
About the Cedar City. 01:21:47
Good time of the year go down. 01:21:49
You know, go to the conference, it'll be a really good one. If you want to go, let us know. We'll that we did budget for it so we 01:21:51
can pay for your travel, for your hotel and your your ticket. 01:21:55
I I saved PTO for this year, so I can actually go. That'll be fun, yeah. 01:22:01
May 8th through. 01:22:07
So that would be good one and typically there's. 01:22:10
They'll have like a conference deal at the hotel or whatnot, but if you want to, just let let cash know. 01:22:15
If you're If you're interested in going and we'll we'll get you. 01:22:22
And we'll get. 01:22:25
Unless you want to stay somewhere really Swank, we probably. 01:22:28
I don't know what the budget, date or whatever, so really nice it's under the overpass. 01:22:32
You're going to love it, but Cedar City bring your mountain bike, obviously. So after the conference it's always fun to go and 01:22:41
just do whatever the fun stuff is around town. 01:22:45
Thank you. 01:22:51
Awesome. 01:22:52
OK. Anything else we could be good? 01:22:54
Feel good. 01:22:56
In that case, I will say that meeting is adjourned. We will see you in two weeks. 01:22:58
That was much further. 01:23:08
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:00:03
And to the Republic for which? 00:00:08
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:11
Awesome. Thank you. 00:00:18
OK. 00:00:21
That brings us to item 2, which is our open session for our public to come and comment with the. 00:00:24
If you could limit yourself to 3 minutes and make sure it's not on anything that is on our agenda for the evening. 00:00:32
Yeah. 00:00:40
Yeah, I just wanted to introduce our our two new planning commissioners for for the public we have Nathan Steele. 00:00:50
And we have Caden. We always mess up Broden. Yeah, I like it. So 22 new planning commissioners and I don't know if you guys just 00:00:56
want to say something quick about yourself, kind of maybe a little bit background to the public and get to get to know you a 00:01:01
little bit. 00:01:05
Sure. Hi everyone. My name is Nathan, live here in Vineyard and very excited to be a part of the Planning Commission. I have a 00:01:13
background of over 10 years in urban planning, serving in several different cities as a staff member in various communities across 00:01:19
the country and grateful now to be here. I now work in the private sector and so I'm excited to continue doing all of my urban 00:01:26
planning stuff. 00:01:33
Here serving the community that I live in. So excited to be. 00:01:39
Cool. Putting me on the spot, Morgan. I wasn't expecting this, but I'm excited to be here as well. I'm Kaden Rotten. I've lived 00:01:46
here in Vineyard for. 00:01:50
Three. Just over three years. 00:01:54
I've been involved with the city since I moved in. I was chair of the bike Commission. 00:01:57
And have been involved in. 00:02:03
Capacities with the Central Parks plan and other the Active Transportation Plan. 00:02:05
As well as the Master Transportation Plan. 00:02:12
I love. I don't have any formal degrees in urban planning, but I spend my free time reading books and watching YouTube videos 00:02:14
about urban planning and. 00:02:19
Land use, so I'm excited to to be here, so thank you. 00:02:24
Thanks so much and welcome. 00:02:27
Sorry. You go back to public home. I just want to. You're good. I'm glad that you stopped me, because it's good to get to know 00:02:33
fellow commissioners a little bit better. 00:02:36
OK. 00:02:41
Officially open session? The public has any comment we would love to have. 00:02:42
OK. And then state your name neighborhood. 00:02:51
Happy New Year. Happy New Year. 00:02:57
New OPP. 00:03:03
And it looks like. 00:03:05
As I was reading. 00:03:06
New plan that's coming through. 00:03:08
Looks like you'll have more authority with new heads with heads of. 00:03:10
And as you move forward, I hope that you will. 00:03:16
Consider the needs of Vineyard along with the wants of the developers that come in. 00:03:19
That you can come to a good cons. 00:03:24
That will benefit all of us. 00:03:28
Thank you, Dar. 00:03:31
We cool? Yeah. I mean, yes, you're here. It's always the goal. OK, we'll move on to. 00:03:35
Three, which is business items. 00:03:42
We'll go to. 00:03:46
Let's see. We need to open up a public hearing. 00:03:49
For item 3 point. 00:03:52
Yeah, you you can open it now, but then allow that that way someone asks a question. But I I would let Anthony kind of go through 00:03:54
his presentation. 00:03:58
And then probably formally take public comment after that. 00:04:03
OK. We'll plan on that be my suggestion. 00:04:07
Yep, if we could have Anthony present and then we will open up after that for public comment. And I'll just do a really quick 00:04:10
intro to everyone knows Anthony Fletcher, our planner, him and Rachel. 00:04:15
Our planner, who is remote at Las Vegas, became really diligently over the last several months. 00:04:23
The state code SB Senate Bill 174, has a lot of requirements for subdivisions, and you'll see that basically every year. 00:04:30
The the the state has the state has mandates that we. 00:04:39
Essentially truncate the process as much as possible to help deliver as many houses as we possibly can. There's still that huge 00:04:41
housing shortage. I think this past year were 30 to 40,000 units unit deficit of where of where the state is trying to be. 00:04:50
So that's that's that sets every year that's you know a good thing that we want to get more housing for people, but but also it 00:04:58
does have impact on on our process and so Anthony is going to take you through that. So the Anthony and Rachel, they've done a 00:05:06
really great job. They've gone through our entire code, they've done an audit of our subdivision ordinances and processes to make 00:05:13
sure that we're in line. And So what he's going to be presenting tonight are those amendments to be in line with SB174 plus. 00:05:21
There are some staff. 00:05:29
Suggestions. And he'll take you through those as well. 00:05:30
Our thought was as we're making these amendments. 00:05:32
There are other changes we had that we'd like to see to those those ordinances as well And so without any further ado after you 00:05:34
take it away. 00:05:39
Thank you very much. 00:05:44
Hi, my name is Anthony S Morgan shared. And I will be taking you through the subdivision ordinance amendments. 00:05:46
So as Morgan already shared with you. 00:05:54
Are doing this as a directive to be in line with what the state requires for us and also staff has? 00:05:58
Taking the opportunity to clean, do a general cleanup of the code that we have here in the city. 00:06:06
So this Senate Bill 170. 00:06:13
Has to be approved and passed. I mean approved and effective by February 1st of 2024 and this only applies. 00:06:16
One family, two family and townhomes subdivisions. 00:06:26
That is a requirement from the state, but as part of the code cleanup, we're hoping or making our recommendation our staff. 00:06:31
Have this process the same across board for all applications. This will make it more. 00:06:39
Seamless for us during applications and processes that we have to go through as staff. 00:06:45
So this. 00:06:51
Pretty much talks. 00:06:55
The processes, changes and processes with preliminary subdivision, final subdivision. 00:06:56
And Adu parking requirements as well as landscaping bonds. 00:07:03
I know you may all be aware of how these are, or you already know this, but this is just a fresher course, for lack of a better 00:07:11
word. So on the left. 00:07:15
A preliminary plot and on the right I have a final plot, so the left side. 00:07:21
You can tell that that preliminary plot only shows the various Parcels St. network and pretty much giving you a general idea of 00:07:27
what could happen in that large parcel of land, and the final is. 00:07:34
A piece off that preliminary that has a lot more detail so it shows more more detail such as set. 00:07:42
More information about specific lots. 00:07:51
And road names and many more. And $5 to anyone who can guess that plot. One on the left. Do you remember this Probably kept Tay up 00:07:53
for for nights and nights. I think we only met on like 20 times. 00:08:01
So all of this is from Holdaway all the way fields, yeah? 00:08:10
All right, so. 00:08:14
As you know in the development process, after you've gone through the preliminary in the final, we then move on to the site site 00:08:16
plans which. 00:08:19
Is more site specific, more detailed, goes all the way to elevations and giving you material specifications and more. 00:08:24
So in this presentation I'll be using. 00:08:31
Subdivision and Plat Interchange. 00:08:34
So just in case you don't get confused, so for this for the preliminary subdivision code amendments, we divided it into what the 00:08:37
code requires. 00:08:43
And what staff is recommending? So the SB174 requires that. 00:08:49
All preliminary subdivisions or Plaid applications. 00:08:57
Do not have a pre application meeting as a full requirement. It's not optional. 00:09:01
So an applicant can. 00:09:06
Request for that the approval body as well has changed from City Council to Planning Commission. 00:09:09
And also the state requirement. 00:09:17
The state replies that we have several plans complete at 50%. 00:09:23
We don't need a full. 00:09:28
Plan for several plans for the preliminary level. Staff recommendations will be the engineering review cost. 00:09:30
Has been taken out or will be taken out to and replaced with the fee schedule. 00:09:39
We had that because prior to having a full. 00:09:45
Engineer on staff. We had to contract this out, so we had to put this piece in the code. 00:09:50
To make room for pay. 00:09:55
Of the review engineering reviews, hard copies are no longer required. 00:09:58
Applications are going to be online. 00:10:03
Also, addressing has to be by the city engineer. 00:10:07
And the preliminary utility plan and landscape plans. 00:10:11
To be provided on the same sheet overlaid so we can. 00:10:16
What is? 00:10:20
Yeah, just add to that, in the past we've had. 00:10:22
A lot of issues where the applicant will have their civil engineer do a design and then the landscape architect will do design, 00:10:26
but they won't talk to each other. And so when they actually put in the, the infrastructure, you know, trees get taken out and all 00:10:32
the landscaping is changed. And so we've had some pretty extreme cases, but just thought it's one of those things where now we 00:10:37
just want to see it on one plan those those two need to communicate so. 00:10:43
Anyway, hopefully this helps to that end. Thanks, Morgan. 00:10:50
So we have also recommended that we, I mean we include maintenance responsibilities for Ho. 00:10:54
To have a clear cut, what the public works would be in charge of and what your HOA's would be in charge of when it comes to things 00:11:02
like snow, plowing and all that. 00:11:07
The title report components have also been added. In the past, we've had applicants confused title reports with title insurance 00:11:13
because they look alike. But there's certain things that we look out for that we want to make it easier for applicants. 00:11:20
Identify and submit. 00:11:27
With the final subdivision code amendment, we have the approval body being changed from City Council to. 00:11:29
The Development Review Committee, DRC. 00:11:37
We would not also allow concurrent applications. 00:11:42
And side plan, I mean concept plans are now optional, but we do recommend a staff. 00:11:47
To We strongly recommend our staff to include that in your application and application review should also take place within 20 00:11:53
business days. 00:11:57
As staff, we have also RECOM. 00:12:02
That after a final plot has been approved, we allow for two years. It used to be one year before it would be required to be 00:12:04
recorded, but we're requesting that that is changed to two years. 00:12:11
So on the approval body for the final subdivision. 00:12:20
We have. 00:12:25
To go based on the code, go with a more technical approval body as the Land Use Authority. That's why it's the DRC. 00:12:28
Now the DRC, if this is approved, will be what their meetings will become more public, will be public and would have posted as 00:12:36
posted agendas and. 00:12:40
Minutes and would have voted members be the chair of the Planning Commission, the city manager. 00:12:45
The redevelopment. The RDA. 00:12:53
The heads of departments for building, Engineering, community development and Parks and Rec. 00:12:58
So these are like an edge just a little bit. So right now how DRC has worked out, it's a, it's more of like an advisory body and 00:13:07
it also provides assistance to applicants that applicant will submit, will provide comments and they'll come to DRC. The DRC 00:13:13
members will, will help answer questions, will explain comments And so we'll have like a member of the fire department there as 00:13:19
well. And so it's right now it's it's more of a kind of an informal body that just helps with the applicants get get through that 00:13:26
that process and address comments. 00:13:32
And to understand kind of the objectives of the code, what we would do though is when we get a final plat. 00:13:39
That's when we would sit up here for that meeting, that we'd be a formal decision, but if there's not a final plat, it'll still be 00:13:45
like just an informal body where we just be with the applicants. But. 00:13:51
In the event that we have a final plan, that's where it'd be a formal. 00:13:56
For that final. 00:14:01
Yeah, you know I'm not because I know they do a lot of pre sales and and and I've seen I've seen those happening before we see 00:14:13
final Platts and so I don't know if there's a like a state code or something like that but they they. 00:14:19
Yeah, we definitely do. I like we've, you know, we've seen people doing like. 00:14:27
That the pre sales before. 00:14:32
Yeah. But I didn't know if there's something stopping them because here, you know, today they don't report it. And I have a 00:14:35
property that went through this before that because it wasn't recorded, but it was sold, but it was legal and then it was never 00:14:41
recorded. You run into issues. 00:14:47
So if we say that it's boys, but they've already pre sold a lot in there, so many things, they may have vested rights. 00:14:54
And they've sold lots. 00:15:02
Yeah. 00:15:04
Maybe the pre sale is more just putting them in line to do the official sale where they'll they'll obtain title. 00:15:07
Yeah. So a real estate sale can't be finalized and recorded unless it's tied to an APN. And usually it's that, well, not usually 00:15:13
at the recording of the plat is when the Apns are assigned, an assessor parcel number is assigned. And so any sale that happens 00:15:21
prior to an assessor parcel number being assigned to this new subdivided lot or this plat that's getting. 00:15:29
All recorded. 00:15:38
Any cell that happens there is void, because it's not. 00:15:40
Technically tied to any legal property. 00:15:43
And so I kind of echo your question. I don't know Chair if it's best to. 00:15:46
Kind of as Anthony's going to ask questions or just save our questions till at the end of the presentation, it's whatever you 00:15:51
prefer I was also asking about. 00:15:56
Why the two years rather than the one year? Because that does open the door, in my opinion, for. 00:16:01
Challenges and problems to. 00:16:08
So we allowed for the two years to give developers or applicants more time to get deducted in the row because it. 00:16:12
Understanding based on previous applications or has been that it takes a lot more time for them to get. 00:16:20
Everything ready and going for building to start so. 00:16:27
Right, but it's to record. Is there a requirement that means construction has to commence immediately after recording? 00:16:32
I think I need some help at this point. 00:16:43
In a similar public works director city engine. 00:16:49
So the way with the plot, the way plot works in construction. 00:16:53
If a developer gets preliminary bot. 00:16:57
And is wishing to proceed with construction. They would be required to do a performance bond. 00:17:00
Which is at 110%. 00:17:06
Cost construction review that approved by myself and Patrick. 00:17:09
As well and if. 00:17:15
Which would guarantee the you know the completion of the lots prior to the completion prior to official flapping recorded on that. 00:17:18
In regards to receiving OCC. 00:17:27
For lots being sold prior. 00:17:31
A official final plot to be done. 00:17:33
That would, I believe that would not be typically allowed by the by the state too, so builders will not be able to sell a lot. 00:17:38
Until the final path. 00:17:46
Officially. 00:17:48
So it really comes down to so recording the plots and not. It really just comes down to. 00:17:50
The type of bond that the developer would place for the city. 00:17:57
But there's plenty of developers out there that will get the lots ready. 00:18:01
And then will sell to various home builders, yeah. And so my question is, is there any timeline I'm not aware of, any state where 00:18:04
there is a timeline of? 00:18:09
After you have recorded a plat, you have to commence. So in terms of if, when, if that's recorded and this is part of the part of 00:18:13
the the percentage of the designs. 00:18:20
So after Applause recorded, there's no requirement in terms of starting construction. I used to be in the private development 00:18:26
business many, many years ago. 00:18:30
We would have, we get the zoning approvals and so forth. We record the plots and there was there was the plot would be recorded 00:18:34
with the lots and we would make the determination of whether. 00:18:39
To develop or sell the whole entire thing, sell portions of. 00:18:45
However, what for on the engineering side and thing the time requirement comes down to is even after the plasma records, before 00:18:49
they would build, they would have to submit 100% complete designs. 00:18:55
So for example, someone. 00:19:02
Submits records. 00:19:04
And then five years later, decides to develop it. 00:19:07
They would need to meet the construction standards at the time that they submit prior to developing the time that they submit the 00:19:12
the construction permit to to actually build. 00:19:17
So they would. 00:19:23
Which should not. 00:19:24
Per SE, the plot itself, it really just comes down to the standards of the utilities, etcetera. 00:19:26
But they would. In essence, they would be entitled to. 00:19:32
Any other type of development standards, for example railway was. 00:19:36
Of the planet that at that. 00:19:40
So there's no set standard of when someone has to. 00:19:43
Build after it's been plotted again, I haven't been the private sector we've. 00:19:47
We've had developments, Plott. 00:19:52
Sat there for four or five years because of the economy. 00:19:55
Because we cannot afford to actually develop. 00:19:59
And this is referring to when a final plot is approved by the city to when it gets recorded. So not it's not like it's a 00:20:01
construction piece of it. So yeah, like this is. 00:20:06
So this allow for for that to be to be recorded with the county and after it's been approved by the city. 00:20:12
And recorded with the county if correct me if I'm wrong. 00:20:19
The balls in the city's hands in order to get recorded. 00:20:22
Not per SE the developer. 00:20:27
Because after it's been proved that Myelarshaus, everything is signed and there's no, there's no changes to the plot. Yeah, 00:20:29
typically your final plot gets recorded and then I think that's when you guys are finishing up your technical review and then it's 00:20:36
the signature process, any of those signatures. Yeah, the only difference like and I'll use a recent example from when they were 00:20:42
in plot is approved to. 00:20:48
There might be some changes again, Patrick and I, we recently did one where all the changes were administrative changes for 00:20:55
example. 00:20:59
The addressing. 00:21:04
Was wrong, like there's some there's an area where the addressing was. 00:21:07
That was backwards in essence, like it was going to reverse order that the county wanted to be in a certain order. 00:21:10
Or there. 00:21:16
A St. 00:21:17
Was continue the street. It had a name on it, but the county stated that they had to have two separate names for that. So 00:21:19
everything was all the changes that that occurred with the plot. 00:21:24
Was all done administratively. 00:21:28
Wasn't any changes to the law sizes, wasn't changes to any alignment. 00:21:30
We can probably have this discussion later to get more. I don't want to hijack your presentation anymore unless other members of 00:21:35
the board or Commission have wanted to talk about it further. 00:21:40
OK. 00:21:49
So the so these are the additional code changes by being recommended by SB174. 00:21:55
The Accessory Drilling Unit Parking minimums for accessory drilling units. 00:22:05
Would be changed from 5:00 to 4:00 and it's a state requirement now. 00:22:11
We no longer require landscaping bonds to give certificates of occupancy. 00:22:18
So the only way we can ensure that landscaping is done or all these improvements are done? 00:22:26
Would be, would have to be through our code enforcement. 00:22:32
Maybe just to provide a little meat to those two. So the first one if you remember I think a couple years ago, I think today you 00:22:39
you were on the Commission at that time, but we. 00:22:43
So that the state with Adu is another one of those housing things they keep kind of reducing the requirements that cities can have 00:22:49
an ADUS. 00:22:52
We were able to require one additional space. Right now, single family homes require for parking on site parking spaces, so that 00:22:56
allowed us to require a fifth for a house with an Adu. 00:23:01
They've now come back and they've said no. If you require 4, you can only require 4 for single family, even if it's a single 00:23:07
family with an Adu. 00:23:11
And so when we had our work session with the with the City Council they there there was some interest in in trying to work on the 00:23:15
state level and then new legislative session to possibly see if they can get that back because in a city like a vineyard that that 00:23:20
actually could have a pretty big impact. 00:23:25
You know, so we don't necessarily know how extensive about that. Right now we're only allowed to do 4. So we got to make that 00:23:31
amendment. 00:23:34
Hopefully we can bump that back up to. 00:23:37
And then the other with the landscaping bonds. 00:23:41
That's. 00:23:45
Yeah. So when I take like an office building for instance, the office building is constructed, they haven't installed their 00:23:46
landscaping. We will no longer be able to hold up their certificate of occupancy. 00:23:51
Based off the landscaping and like require bond we've done. That's how we do it now if they don't install. 00:23:58
And so we just have to let. 00:24:04
Have their certificate of occupancy and then work through code enforcement and say you're in violation to the landscaping. 00:24:06
So it might create a little bit more work on the back end, but that's that's how it's set up right now. 00:24:13
So this table shows the designated approval board that we have in the city. 00:24:22
City Council will. 00:24:28
Remain as the approval body for general plan master plans. 00:24:30
As well as rezoning text amendments and development agreements, now with the preliminary plat as a recap, has changed from City 00:24:35
Council to Planning Commission and with the final plots as well it has changed from City Council to the DRC, building permits and. 00:24:45
Building permits will still remain the same development stuff. 00:24:55
So next steps today we're having this public hearing January 17th. 00:25:02
Next week we will be having a City Council one and. 00:25:08
Hopefully it will be passed, our decision will be made. 00:25:13
So the proposed. 00:25:20
Umm for this? 00:25:23
Code Amendment Proposed Code Amendment. 00:25:27
Would be that. 00:25:30
You propose to forward a positive recommend. 00:25:32
To the City Council for Ord. 00:25:35
202412 and three as presented by staff. 00:25:39
Thank you and please let me know. Let us know if you have any further questions and if I can just hammer one more point just and I 00:25:48
know Anthony covered this, but this. 00:25:52
So the state code only requires. 00:25:57
This process for one and two family dwellings that would be single family home and in duplexes and townhomes. 00:26:00
What staff is proposing is that all subdivision plots follow the same process. 00:26:07
We that's how they are now. They all follow the same process. It makes from administrative standpoint much easier. 00:26:12
And for the development community provides a lot more predictability as far as process goes. So that would be our recommendation 00:26:20
is that we keep those the same. But you don't have to make that recommendation, we just want to be very clear that you can still 00:26:24
have. 00:26:29
Multifamily. 00:26:35
And commercial sub? 00:26:37
Go through the existing process with the City Council. 00:26:39
But we would recommend that they all follow the same proposed process. So that's how they're written up. So if you want to change 00:26:42
that, you'd have to make it clear in the in the motion if you if you don't want to do that. 00:26:47
Just make that clear. Thank you. I have a question on the changes because I mentioned the fee schedule in there, right, of how 00:26:54
that the plat review or engineering review is done and it's going from the requester pays all the fees, so now it's a standard fee 00:26:59
schedule, is that right? 00:27:05
So what's the, what's the impact of that? How does that actually change things? Is it just everybody pays the same set fee 00:27:10
regardless of? 00:27:14
The type of plat, single family, multi family. So am I, am I correct in like so we just follow our fee schedule now what and so we 00:27:19
we do that anyway we can't require fees that don't that that are above and beyond what the actual review process is. 00:27:27
That was kind of a more archaic provision that was in there. We used to have, we used Juv engineering for a really long time and 00:27:36
and using a consultant to your views is quite expensive and so that's that's where it would allow us to assess fees. 00:27:43
In addition, just to a straight application fee, so that we could cover the consultants. 00:27:50
Correct if I'm wrong the same. 00:27:56
But we pretty much on the same page like like they like, right, We just have them all follow the same fee schedule now as opposed 00:27:58
to assessing separately, Yeah, correct. So for example, the technical review on the engineering review is set to. 00:28:05
A. Set view up to so many pages. I mean so which? 00:28:13
Patrick and I, it was in with internal discussions and Patrick recently coming from the private sector during the civil designs. 00:28:18
As well you know those were a good obtainable that was a fair number and then to also include like the the amount of time that we 00:28:26
would typically put in there, there is a, there is a cap on it. 00:28:32
You know, 3 reviews. 00:28:39
On the type. So this way when we get because typically we would get. 00:28:42
Designs. 00:28:47
Designs and trying to keep up with the fees that we would have to assess the developer beforehand like trying to say OK well this 00:28:50
is what's good cost. The fee schedule really wasn't cognizant to what the designs the reviews were actually. So we would do like. 00:28:57
It would be like 10:15. I'm exaggerating some of those numbers reviews this actually puts like. 00:29:04
A good number. So this way it provides that the engineers, the developers. 00:29:10
A cap of how many times we would do a review. 00:29:18
Beforehand and then also kind of on the backside requesting. 00:29:23
On the primary plot side, things where they don't have to submit a complete complete design upfront. 00:29:28
That you know the design would come at the technical review portion with when they're ready to actually start doing the 00:29:34
construction development. 00:29:38
On that. So that's cognizant. I'm kind of providing that type of. 00:29:42
Of that. And then there's other, there's we've kinda set it up with other fees and it's also consistent across the board. 00:29:47
In terms of. 00:29:53
In terms of the fees to ensure that we're providing. 00:29:55
Affair, but a fair balance and consistent scheduling. We do have a provision. 00:29:59
For a specialized reviews like for example if we had to do a hydraulic modeling. 00:30:06
For a developer that we would charge the cost of what the consultant would charge. 00:30:12
We have a hydraulic modeling consultant. 00:30:18
On where it would be their cost plus 10%. So we do have like that what if scenario if we have to go out to a third party to 00:30:21
provide a specialized and like unbiased review of something? 00:30:29
As well. So I guess my concern would just be making sure it's scalable so like somebody building a single family home. 00:30:37
Usually I would assume would have lower fees than. 00:30:43
Building something much bigger and correct. And so the single family home would be would fall underneath the land development. So 00:30:46
we would have like a land development permit, it would fall underneath that and there's a land development permit for a certain 00:30:52
size like under 50 or excuse me, half acre and above and above a half acre. 00:30:58
So those someone who buys a lot and is going to. 00:31:05
And you know, Joe the builder is going to come and build that one thing they're not paying. 00:31:11
Like almost a $3000 fee. 00:31:16
For a more simplistic review. 00:31:18
Oh my. Like what, 5 or 7 pages? 00:31:20
It's a land of land of service permit at a much lower rate and that's usually based on the size of the lot and disturbance of the 00:31:24
lot and and also the plotting process does have included prices per lot, so you know A1 lot subdivision. 00:31:31
Is a different price than, you know, a 20 lot final plat. 00:31:39
Thank you. 00:31:43
But you're good if you want to invite the public. Is it OK if I ask just a couple questions before. OK, thanks. So first I just 00:31:51
want to say thank you, Anthony. I know this was a lot of work, not just to prepare the presentation, but to write all of this 00:31:57
ordinance stuff. So thank you. A lot of states right now are issuing a lot of these different state bills regarding housing trying 00:32:02
to. 00:32:08
Just sweep along as quick as possible. Some are so incredibly extreme, I'm grateful that this Utah one at least gives us enough 00:32:14
local control so that we can still have at least some kind of design review and architectural review beforehand. 00:32:21
With that being said, there are a couple questions that I had. I did e-mail Anthony before just a few clarifying questions. He did 00:32:30
answer all of them and I was satisfied with them. There's just two items that I wanted to raise for just a matter of discussion 00:32:36
with all of us to see if we're all on the same page with it. 00:32:42
The first one, I'm still not totally satisfied with the moving the time period to record a platform one year to two years, and 00:32:48
that might just be another discussion with staff to fully better understand why that was needed. If it's a matter of making your 00:32:54
job easier so that things can be done more properly, totally support it. I want to do whatever would make your job easier. I just 00:33:00
want to get a better understanding as to the why. 00:33:06
The second one was I understood that it was what the state law required. We kind of have to do it. 00:33:13
The requirement of the state regarding the landscape standards and landscape improvements. 00:33:19
Before we were able to say. 00:33:25
That when before you can get a CFO a certificate of occupancy or before we release any bonds, you have to make sure your landscape 00:33:28
is put in. You said you'd put trees on the plans. Where are the trees? Unfortunately now with state law, it's like. 00:33:35
Don't hold up the houses for that. Let them put it in without any trees. 00:33:42
That. 00:33:46
We hate that. 00:33:47
So what? I asked Anthony, and he said that would just be addressed by code enforcement, so I just want to make sure. 00:33:48
Once the CFO is received, there will be some kind of standard letter that said here's your certificate of occupancy. 00:33:54
Your building is now safe. People can live. 00:34:01
I want to introduce you to our code enforcement officer. They are going to make sure you plant those trees within next days. Is 00:34:03
that what we're expecting the process to be more or less, yeah. So we do a planning review a bit before we do a certificate of 00:34:08
occupy in this case we, you know, we. 00:34:13
You know, landscape, it has not has not been been installed and then we provide a time frame on that and then if not installed 00:34:51
then we start going through that process. Perfect. And now rather than that being a violation of the building code, it would just 00:34:57
be a violation of other design standards of our community. So there's no enforcement. 00:35:03
In violation of their site plan. Excellent. OK, And then the other item that I just want to do before we entertain motions is. 00:35:10
There's been a couple times in the ordinance where it refers to the RDA director. 00:35:21
I would just say spell it out as the Redevelopment agency, just, yeah, that would be my only item. OK, good suggestion. We can do 00:35:25
that. 00:35:28
And that's why you don't need to put that. We can just do that, that's fine. 00:35:34
OK. Any more questions from I think Anthony was? 00:35:42
Do we have like the at least the acronym in the code? We already have it in the code, but I've noted that and would have that 00:35:47
corrected. Thank you. 00:35:51
Cool. Nice to have a process. Thank you. 00:35:58
Yeah. As far as the, the, the one to two year from from the staff level, I think it just provides more time and that kind of helps 00:36:04
out with the overall process. I don't know if that's like a deal killer or anything like that if. 00:36:10
You know, the one to two year. 00:36:17
Or is it is that to assist and provide the time for like your their technical review and for getting like the utilities and that 00:36:21
kind of stuff like I guess from from a process wise do you guys? 00:36:26
That concerns. 00:36:32
I think the timeline. 00:36:34
Was. 00:36:41
It's my voice. 00:36:48
Yeah, I think it was to help with the technical review process or the. 00:36:51
The review process and getting that recorded. 00:36:56
In a timely manner so that the process didn't have to be restarted, but we can certainly look at that. 00:37:01
More, this is really not working here. 00:37:08
Maybe before City Council. I like if you have examples of where. 00:37:11
You know, like the one year was was was pushing people out out of compliance with the current standard. 00:37:18
I don't know. Do you guys have any examples of that or anything like that? 00:37:24
I do. So Holdaway Fields, they recently finally got their, their final plat recorded and it was like 51 weeks or something like 00:37:28
that from their approval date that we got it to the county. Just there were a lot of things holding them up from getting it 00:37:33
recorded. 00:37:38
And so that I think is one of the things that sparked this conversation of, you know, the county doesn't have a requirement on 00:37:44
when this gets reported. They didn't care at all about the date that it was approved by the City Council. But if it would have 00:37:49
been one week later that we got it to this to the county, we would have had to go through the whole process again, which is a 00:37:54
pretty big administrative burden and that that's. 00:37:59
An example that I can think of recently that was the clarification I needed, adjusted the interaction with the other agencies 00:38:04
involved in order to get it done. 00:38:08
You know that give 18 months as they get that 18th month then they can make another request. I mean that's there, there, there 00:38:45
there's ways of kind of getting to the same goal. 00:38:49
Sure. And I don't know if it matters if there's some kind of transaction between whoever applied for and went through the process 00:38:54
of the original plat. 00:38:58
And then the new owners want to do something different. You can always amend Platts as the property owner. You have the right to 00:39:02
submit what you want to do on your own property. 00:39:06
And so no with that clarification any concerns I have are gone. Great. Thanks. 00:39:11
And so it would be good. 00:39:18
Prior to more Planning Commission discussion to have the allow the public to get up and then we can we can discuss any of their 00:39:20
questions or concerns. 00:39:25
OK. And public hearing, We move and vote, OK. 00:39:31
Who would we like to get? 00:39:36
Movement for public hearing. 00:39:38
Well, I moved to open the public hearing. Thank you to hear from and a. 00:39:42
Second, all in favor. Aye. Thank you. All right. Public, you have whoever would like to come and speak to this. You have 3 00:39:46
minutes. Please state your name and where you live. 00:39:52
Or your neighborhood. We don't need your address. 00:39:58
Kim Cornelius resident. 00:40:01
I just want to lend my perspective as a 25 year general building contractor in California, both on residential and commercial 00:40:04
properties. 00:40:07
Interacted heavily with both of those. 00:40:11
Entities if you want to. 00:40:15
In some discussion at the City Council meeting last week, talked with two or three of the council members. 00:40:18
They are not yay or nay right now on the streamlining of the process between commercial, industrial and residential as far as the 00:40:24
approval process goes. 00:40:29
I know from my personal experience the commercial side of things is intimately more intimately. That's not the right word. 00:40:35
Significantly more involved in the residential side is. 00:40:41
And so my suggestion would be in your approving this tonight. 00:40:46
And I think there's some wisdom that the state didn't mandate that those go together and be streamlined in the same process. 00:40:51
I think another set of eyes on it in the process, whether it's before the DRC. I don't think you'd put it after the DRC, but let 00:40:58
the DRC be the the approving. 00:41:02
But one more set of eyes with the city. 00:41:08
Just gives you that maybe a little bit more assurance that you've covered all the bases, there's nothing lingering out there that 00:41:11
somebody missed or we need to make sure we're just accounting for? 00:41:16
So I just make that recommendation that maybe. 00:41:21
Maybe talk it through, have them talk it through. Do something to make sure that. 00:41:24
You know which way you want to go, but I would suggest that you don't link the two together and make it a continuous process. 00:41:28
Daria Evans. 00:41:43
Resident Thank you. I just have a couple of questions. 00:41:45
When you were talking about the landscaping, is that retroactive to? 00:41:49
Development that are in the process like I'm thinking. 00:41:55
Utah City or Holdaway? 00:41:59
Will they not have to put their landscaping in now before they issue certificates of occupancy? Yes, you're correct, as soon as 00:42:02
it's approved. 00:42:06
It'd be in fact with, with, with anything. 00:42:11
Oh my gosh. 00:42:14
All that is. 00:42:18
A disappointment? 00:42:19
Oh. Oh, that just. 00:42:20
That's really bad. OK going on I. 00:42:23
I found some typographical errors, I don't know if that's important, but in 14.04 point. 00:42:27
1. 00:42:36
You should change the word and. 00:42:39
Where it says planner and engineer on a formal. 00:42:42
Basis instead. 00:42:46
Formal. 00:42:48
Correct English. 00:42:50
And then also I also noticed on. 00:42:52
14.06 point. 00:42:56
02. 00:42:58
It has city. 00:43:00
And you've been striking the word. 00:43:03
So I don't know if that needs to be. 00:43:05
Two. And then I have one more question. There's a lot of red. 00:43:07
And under the geotechnical report. 00:43:12
You know Vineyard is prone to liquefaction. You know that's just the way the soil is here. 00:43:16
Thanks to Lake Bonneville, but redlining all about the grading and drainage plan. 00:43:23
Why is that all struck out? 00:43:29
Anthony, can you, can you answer that one? I know we talked about that before I think, I think that was. 00:43:34
Captured somewhere else. 00:43:40
I can talk to you. That's under the preliminary plat or preliminary subdivision. 00:43:42
So we kept in there the geotechnical report for a preliminary geotechnical report for the preliminary subdivision code. 00:43:51
And so that will Capt. 00:44:01
Just general hazards for. 00:44:04
And so, so there, so that is still in there or part of it is OK, I just could, I guess I just couldn't find it, but OK. And we 00:44:10
also do geotext with the for the building permits first that each specific site. So as part of the building permit the billing 00:44:17
department will review this and I know there is a minimum standard that they need to follow. 00:44:24
Could we? Possibly. 00:44:32
Raise that standard so that these people. 00:44:34
Build better for our community in case. 00:44:38
Something. 00:44:43
You know, we don't know. 00:44:44
Or I mean if when it will happen, so we should try to build to a better standard? 00:44:47
For all of our community because. 00:44:54
Things happen. Yeah, we could bring that question to Chris Johnson, our building official. 00:44:57
I think maybe you want to take a note of that. 00:45:03
He'll he'll be at the City Council. We could have. 00:45:06
You know that address that. See if there's anything in addition to the building code we can require. 00:45:09
All right. Thank you. Thank you. 00:45:14
I'm sorry, this is the same for the works. 00:45:17
Just to kind of clarify that one last question. 00:45:20
There are any kind of changes that regards to the build to standards of building designs for making it stronger and so forth would 00:45:23
be specifically to the building code and would be outside this update. 00:45:30
So even if this update goes goes through and for if the city chooses that they would like to do something else. 00:45:37
Pertaining to that last point there would be it would have to go through a building code update. 00:45:45
And of course, Chris Johnson is specifically about state law requirements and so forth on. 00:45:51
OK. Just want to make sure you're. 00:45:57
Thanks, Matt. 00:45:59
Karen Cornelius from your. 00:46:03
So my understanding after Daria's question. 00:46:07
Is that this does pertain to Utah City as well, this change. 00:46:10
Yeah, for landscaping. It covers the whole city. So will landscaping now become? 00:46:15
The responsibility of the homeowner or will it continue to be the developer's responsibility? Could I speak to that real quick? 00:46:22
Sure. So ultimately, what's happening? And that's why I asked for the clarification before it used to be. I will not give you the 00:46:28
piece of paper that says you can occupy this building. 00:46:34
Unless you put in all the trees you said you're gonna put. 00:46:40
State law has now said, well, you can't do. 00:46:43
Or it used to be you have to put in a bond that's ultimately holding money in collateral. 00:46:45
And we're not going to give you that back unless you put in all the trees you say you're going to put in. State law has taken that 00:46:51
away. 00:46:54
But ultimately, all that's. 00:46:58
It says now you can't use this Hamm. 00:47:00
Now we'll have to use this hammer instead. 00:47:02
We're still going to have. 00:47:05
Only now it's going to be done through code. 00:47:06
Rather than through the building official. 00:47:09
So if the trees aren't put in. 00:47:11
Code enforcement calls them up and says you got to put the trees. 00:47:13
And so that's ultimately what it has to do, and that will be and code enforcement is taken upon whoever. 00:47:16
The property owner at that time when the code enforcement infraction occurs, so then it could come to the homeowner. 00:47:25
When that infraction occurs. So if they build the home and get a certificate of occupancy. 00:47:32
And the tree isn't there. They're probably calling the developer because the developer is still. 00:47:38
The property own. 00:47:43
Or the home builder is still the property owner at the time the CFO. 00:47:44
OK, well code enforcement is one of my concerns because. 00:47:49
When we talked about the Adu Par. 00:47:53
And there being 5 required now, what is the enforcement on that? 00:47:56
So there's or. So it actually reduces it from 5:00 to, I understand that, but who is enforcing the five at this point they So what 00:48:01
they do is they get an Adu permit and so they I understand all that, but who is enforcing it? 00:48:08
So before we give that so just lately let me explain. So before we give them a permit they have to demonstrate on their site that 00:48:15
they have five part parking spaces. They they they won't get it up. So we we do an inspection. 00:48:22
And and then they get the permit if they meet all the requirements. So they go through like a planning process, they submit the 00:48:29
plans, they build it, we inspect the built conditions, if they have the five spaces, we have dimensional requirements then then 00:48:34
they'll they'll get the permit. So that's that's something that the planning department does as part of our inspections. So nobody 00:48:39
enforces the use of those places though they can park wherever they want is that, I mean I'm just saying that parking in 00:48:44
neighborhoods is out of control. 00:48:50
Even the ones that you know. 00:48:55
Two car driveways. 00:48:58
And street parking in front of their houses, out of control because of their Adu units. 00:49:00
And so my question is if we're going to look at enforce. 00:49:05
For our landscaping. 00:49:10
I understand the enforcement is taking place at the time of permitting. 00:49:12
But then once that is. 00:49:16
What happens to that enforcement? 00:49:18
So I don't and this may not be the body to answer that question. No, these are these are really great, great questions Karen. So 00:49:20
what what we do right now is we can enforce things if we can show that they're they're violated rule. 00:49:27
And so. 00:50:05
That that's just kind of where where we're at. We don't, we don't. 00:50:06
Like a citywide parking program that that has specific like no on street parking regulations for every neighborhoods it's as it's 00:50:10
as the the majority of the of the residents living there applying and institute a program so basically it's just a formality then 00:50:17
for them to show you. 00:50:23
That they have those places, but nobody's going to insist that they. 00:50:29
Yeah, right now we can only enforce like a rule that that we have and we don't. We don't say you can't park on streets. 00:50:34
It's been specifically designated. 00:50:41
OK. OK. Thank you. Yeah, I understand your frustration. I think it's shared by many. 00:50:43
So. 00:50:48
David Luray, residents. 00:50:59
Thank you very much for your work. 00:51:03
Planning Commission appreciate it very much. I appreciate. 00:51:06
You know, the questioning is much better this time than I've seen in many changes that have been requested, so thank you very 00:51:09
much. 00:51:11
Your work at looking at it ahead of time and. 00:51:15
And asking really. 00:51:17
I have a couple of concerns. 00:51:19
First of all, I likewise share the concern about extending. 00:51:22
The recording. 00:51:27
Plots to two years just on a broad. 00:51:29
I really would encourage you to look at the idea of a year plus the ability to request a four or six month extension, something 00:51:33
like that. 00:51:37
That would make it work. 00:51:41
We don't want to, you know, we don't want to unduly stress people, but the same time we we also want to avoid. 00:51:44
Situations that would entangle. 00:51:50
Would cause any undue legal entanglements. 00:51:53
When it comes to property. 00:51:55
So I'm just thinking that might be the way to go. 00:51:57
Add you parking, obviously we. 00:52:01
We were bummed when they told us we couldn't have 6 bases. We only have 5, so we're doubly bummed now. 00:52:06
I'm wondering is there any restriction on the size a size requirement for those parking spaces? 00:52:12
Could any of them be extra wide perhaps? 00:52:19
I mean, have you seen the, have you seen the square footage of the plots here? Yes, my house. I mean, I put in two parking places 00:52:23
in my but so cash, correct? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's an 8 foot width by by 18 feet in length. 00:52:31
And that's where it currently is. Now this, the state requires that or is that? That's our that's our code. Yeah. For 4AD US for 00:52:40