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City Manager Ezra Nair opened the meeting at 11:36 AM.  1.
Discuss plans and challenges for the East Geneva Property (East of the Downtown, North of 800 N) to begin to align priorities for this property.
There was a brief discussion about the Geneva Nitrogen property.     2.        Discussion regarding Flagship properties.
There was a discussion about master planning the East Geneva property. Mr. Evans mentioned that he had hired a consultant to work with Jeff Speck on the eastside property.
There was a discussion about possibly having 1200 North go over the railroad tracks to help with pedestrian accessibility.
The discussion about the master plan continued.
Mayor Fullmer asked about the timeline for the plans to be available. She mentioned that the city’s timeline was rapid and that they didn’t want to double up on planning. She asked if they could synchronize their efforts. Mr. Hutchings replied that they were hoping to get ideas from the city and take them to their planner. There was a discussion about the timeline.
Mr. Brim asked if the city wanted to hire a consultant. Mayor Fullmer replied that they should. The timeline discussion continued.
Mr. Evans mentioned that there were parts of the east side that would take longer to develop than others. He said that they were trying to figure the best uses for the property and would have to get Department of Environmental Quality approval before they could move forward. He said that they were trying to figure out which property they could start developing. There was a discussion about the quality of the land.
Mr. Brim suggested using an innovation planner. Mr. Hutchins mentioned that they were going to get the Utah Valley University (UVU) involved. There was a discussion about possible development around the UVU property.
Councilmember Welsh requested that members from the Boyer Group and Martin Snow be invited to some of these meetings. Mr. Woodbury replied that he did not want to share a lot of his business ideas. There was a discussion about inviting other property owners.
Mr. Evans noted that there were some environmental challenges that they would need to work around. There was a discussion about allowed uses for the property.
Mr. Hutchings said that it was hard for other property owners to catch the vision for Vineyard but once it was built, they would. There was a discussion about the plan.
Mr. Woodbury agreed with the mayor that they needed to work quickly. He felt that there were a lot of things that they could do to give UVU more opportunities.
There was a discussion about coordinating future meetings.
Mr. Hutchings mentioned development on the westside property and public safety concerns. A discussion ensued.
3.        No decisions will be made at this time.     4.        Adjournment
Mr. Nair called for a motion to adjourn the meeting.
Motion: COUNCILMEMBER WELSH MADE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 12:45 PM. COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.     MINUTES APPROVED ON:   August 10, 2022   CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:   /s/ Pamela Spencer Pamela spencer, city recorder
There we go. 00:00:02
Umm. 00:00:04
Julie, do you want? 00:00:06
Officially open up the meeting or I'm happy to do that as well. 00:00:08
All right. You go ahead and do it. I have to address that. I appreciate it. OK, uh, no problem. The time is 1136. Uh. We're here 00:00:13
for a work session with UH Flagship in Woodbury for public meeting on July 15th, 2022. 00:00:21
Umm, the agenda for this meeting is it's pretty open-ended. We wanted to have a discussion about the East Geneva Master Plan, 00:00:31
primarily UMM. The Council has approved funding to begin a master planning process for for that area. 00:00:37
Umm, with that. The main reason for doing so is with the entire East Geneva parcel. So this is everything, umm, east of the 00:00:43
downtown, Umm, that's all in an RDA area as well. And so we have an opportunity to insert significant public dollars and we wanna 00:00:50
make sure that we have a plan in place that we can pitch to the public as well, umm, and have them on board with anything that we 00:00:56
are planning for that area. 00:01:03
Umm, but we wanna do it in a collaborative process with the land owners as well. Umm, we do have a couple pieces of land that UH 00:01:10
developers are moving on, mainly in the North East quadrant that we have. 00:01:17
Umm the Martin Snow property, which is in that area that Morgan is highlighting there and then the Geneva nitrogen parcel. 00:01:24
And those two are moving quickly. 00:01:31
And so that's kind of what started this whole discussion and as. 00:01:33
Across the budget season this year, we just wanna make sure that we are. 00:01:39
Not just letting anything happen there if. 00:01:43
We wanna make it connected to everything else that's being built in that area. 00:01:46
Is just like that. And by they're they're the one friction that I'm alright, I wanna do it. Yeah, we have something they want, 00:01:53
yeah. 00:01:56
OK, so they umm from what I understand they can get one building on the Internet. 00:02:02
Umm. 00:02:09
They they can get more. Well with the current access uh debt plan I do not really do too much if that's the only access we're 00:02:10
gonna try to pull in off of a dozen Mill Road ext. We want to have the Mill Road ext and that one front access. Then the plan was 00:02:17
to move forward with a uh a large plus office building. Can you show them the. 00:02:24
I can pull up. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the last time that we saw that. 00:02:32
And uh, also we brought lunch. So umm, it's just out there on the table with the capital. 00:02:38
Umm, umm yeah. I don't know how I want to handle stuff in there, but you get hungry eggs and cut out there and. 00:02:53
Exactly. OK. 00:03:07
Someone in the chat wanted to get into something. 00:03:12
Oh, that was earlier. 00:03:18
You're fine. 00:03:23
OK. 00:03:26
From a plan that I thought it was like it has one. 00:03:30
Something that would probably be like manufacturing. 00:03:34
They say they said in our last public meeting. 00:03:39
And then they had, I believe it. 00:03:46
Four other smaller buildings, the 20 side of that building. 00:03:49
That could be another. 00:03:53
Yeah, What I remember from my meeting with them is particularly about regarding that and one of those doctors. 00:03:54
Did the doctor's office. Yeah, here it is. Yeah. And then the building, umm, from my understanding, it could be multiple companies 00:04:03
throughout the building. 00:04:07
It would, umm, it would be one of the largest programming vendors, right? Yeah, I think the largest bill right now, I believe it's 00:04:13
just seven piece is a uh left office building. 00:04:18
And that's, uh, 270, two 180,000 square feet. 00:04:24
But to give you some perspective. 00:04:28
UH, 27 acres. 00:04:31
That's 1200. What's the road? Well, I don't know exactly 1200. 00:04:34
I'm sorry, it's called down that property line. 00:04:41
So this this is that's what I guess. 00:04:46
That that that picture. 00:04:51
Yeah, and are they trying to crash a little bit? 00:05:00
My good idea is that it would be the task. 00:05:08
So they get umm the two rows that we want to pull in from the web off of the for the one here that we have more on the north side 00:05:12
of the project kind of on the South end. 00:05:18
One thing is we'll do that first building. 00:05:26
Umm, And. 00:05:29
Uh. 00:05:31
Has access was allowed on the spur lines to get to make a space vendor to retail to have a uh, small office going here that 00:05:32
they're considering medical office. 00:05:37
It's pregnant with potentially the gas station. 00:05:44
UH, Section. 00:05:48
Uh, these are all touched on type path. 00:05:49
You're not business, Texas. 00:05:57
Uh, yes. You don't have a phone. So right now we have the. 00:06:01
Give me the road UH access plan. 00:06:04
And so that that allows for. 00:06:10
The one signalized intersection here at 12. 00:06:12
And then I believe a couple of points, umm. One right. Then they may be allowed two lines and right now, umm. 00:06:16
Possibly more additional full assets, but not just signalized. That's full of lineup, but there's there's a few access points, but 00:06:23
they're not. 00:06:27
Umm, so the 1200 is the cheapest? Yeah, I'm calling myself. Uh, I paid so much for it as soon as they got the back access. 00:06:31
Something over the road isn't for the partners. 00:06:37
And they don't have a tenant for that yet. 00:06:45
Several minutes. There's a lot that's kind of interested in it. So uh, they're they're closer, sounds very soft and it's no, no. 00:06:48
Politics discussions for the small discussion we had on Wednesday sounds like that's the fact zone to the budget. The other one, 00:06:57
yeah, I mean, even that kind of gets this final week. We know some probably staffed up 10 times. 00:07:04
Umm, umm, there, there's no plans to go to solar, industrial bus offices, Umm, I think there's only three smaller lines. So uh, we 00:07:15
pushed it to get the retail and some uh. 00:07:21
Awesome, Great. But there's 12. 00:07:28
So basically to talk about kind of the urgency of everything, so we initiated this rezone because right now their zone is a heavy 00:07:33
industrial, Umm, we have an RDA agreement with them that allows them to have some additional funds if they're bringing up the, the 00:07:38
use of this property. And so that's kind of what started this whole process with the negotiations on on this parcel, Umm, but 00:07:44
really we wanted to talk about. 00:07:49
Like the history of so far what we put in the original general plan. I know a lot of things have changed we're we're more. 00:07:55
Into the downtown, we brought wood buried on itself. 00:08:02
Talking about some of those things would be umm good to highlight some of the challenges you guys are facing and then talk about 00:08:05
umm the plans and desires of the council umm and get the new members up to speed as well. So can I ask real quick on the on the 00:08:11
desire for master candy? It sounds like you're pretty far down the road with the. 00:08:18
So the the national planning effort. 00:08:25
Would have excluded if you need an oxygen to sort of take into account what that needs to be. 00:08:27
As as the national planning. 00:08:34
We we still have that umm as part of that. You guys, since they're staying and they they've told us they don't really want us to 00:08:36
be done, Umm. 00:08:40
Uh, now, so if we can let the Council system activity? 00:08:45
Umm and so they they obviously would move forward with that that benefit. Umm I believe that you know. 00:08:49
Umm, you know, having something that transition well into your project. Uh, so they're gonna pay for that over. 00:08:55
Umm, and the only kind of the purpose like uh, when I just talked about with the RBA funds, umm, helping the account for RBA more 00:09:02
to know, umm that there's like a larger plan in place that we're trying to get something that side. Mm-hmm. And also as we move 00:09:10
forward with infrastructure to understand the land use to help us to know what types of having the university right here, UMM and 00:09:17
study Mill Rd. there's a lot of opportunities, you know, having university there. 00:09:24
So you don't know UH as a very large collector or is there an opportunity to make the next session to have on UH as soon as right 00:09:32
there? 00:09:36
You know from a block, umm standpoint, uh, you know the the university is is composing a very similar block size now. It's not 00:09:41
your plan, it's not your plan for the very suburban model which is just like one giant cold of fact type campus to UH to bring 00:09:49
several smaller blocks. So they wanna try to kinda keep that thing going. I think they met with just like 20 did they OK. 00:09:58
We we encourage. 00:10:08
To have this be very cohesive on both sides is important. Uh, Regardless. 00:10:11
How you know how educational they're going first and what what they want to do. 00:10:16
And I think the city's desire in talking to council members of science officers and they still like to see walkability, you know 00:10:20
throughout the entire city, Umm, but that's kind of what level and so understand from a man's perspective and block sizes. I think 00:10:27
that's going to really help us understand that you know at what design we build mill roads 1200 N like the the larger background. 00:10:35
Yeah that makes sense. So a after we met, I don't know a couple of months ago. 00:10:42
Talking about taking off NASCAR funding on the East side. So we we have and the reason why I'm doing this because I just don't 00:10:50
have duplicate access. 00:10:54
Umm, so we we hired. 00:10:58
What we think is a really good one as a lot of experience in the next. 00:11:01
You know, like Industrial Confidential Area. 00:11:07
And so they're actually working. 00:11:10
On. 00:11:12
Yeah, we're just so we're gonna coordinate that all the way. Yeah. And and I know you're saying allocated funding. I don't, I 00:11:15
don't, I don't think you've done that with the RSP. No, but so, so I think in the. 00:11:21
Couple of months. 00:11:28
Uh, we'll be able to have another word discussion with council where you can. 00:11:29
Some of the concept. 00:11:34
Uh, this term has come up with and we're pretty excited. 00:11:37
The direction that we're going, you know, there, there. 00:11:40
Like he said, there's gotta be kind of a practical element. 00:11:43
You. 00:11:47
It's a it's a light industrial area and you have to make sure that it's functional and practical and all those things. 00:11:48
It can also. 00:11:55
Umm, geared towards making sure that we have the connectivity and the pedestrian connections and all of those things to the land 00:11:57
planning and also make sure. 00:12:02
Domain planning is done in a way that it doesn't just look like it's current time in the spot, it doesn't really. 00:12:07
Right. But it, you know, it's in our in our view. 00:12:12
There's different uses on this new side and they kind of transition as you don't have. 00:12:16
So you know the. 00:12:21
Corridor is kind of the front door to the rest of what we're doing down here and. 00:12:24
Needs to feel a little bit different than maybe what about 1600 more that's across from. 00:12:29
PB Flake Industrial Park. 00:12:36
Umm. And so you know, that's kind of direction that we've given. 00:12:38
The last time a different multiple usage in there that is gonna be appropriate. 00:12:42
Yeah, some of those are gonna be treated by the market. So the the other thing that we that we really ask them to do, we're going 00:12:49
to talk to you about. 00:12:53
He's also providing flexibility. 00:12:58
So that you know. 00:13:00
Different uses. 00:13:02
Uh, come in and and there's different uses are appropriate. So we have the flexibility to say, OK, this user came in and they want 00:13:04
a 40 acre. 00:13:08
Uh, for this use. But you know, that kind of transitions over into different blocks that we have in the master plan, and so we 00:13:12
need to have some. 00:13:16
Flexibility to match. 00:13:21
Well, we, you know, instead of. 00:13:25
Smaller Billings going to be one big, big building and they'll probably segment that in general, that big building internally, but 00:13:28
you can design that and have one big footprint, so he says. And you know, looks good on the track. 00:13:35
Yeah, the the one thing that I would say here just because we're on 10. 00:13:42
You. 00:13:47
There's a lot of demand for that. 00:13:49
That only brings your life back into a certain point. 00:13:52
You know, you know, from that standpoint and literally they're just planning to be. 00:13:55
In a matter of years, we're just industrial uh, UH projects here like it's currently. 00:14:00
So. 00:14:06
But you know what's wrong? What's really surprised? 00:14:07
That's how much? 00:14:11
This you know because of the point. You got the money at the point. 00:14:13
And. 00:14:18
People are saying, well, what? What? This is already accurate on our group here, you know? 00:14:20
This. 00:14:26
You know something that's hard. 00:14:27
Take inquiries where I said multiple years away. 00:14:29
You know, a lot of the tenants now are coming down and so you're saying I can start construction next year if if you don't from 00:14:33
that standpoint on this property and there's no prisoner. 00:14:39
Eiffel Tower that might go. 00:14:49
Well, you know, we gotta get our legislators. 00:14:54
INSYNC Annex. It's gonna be as big as dollar carrying the legislature. 00:15:02
You know, I mean, I'm Jo I I joke partly on the status, you know, a little bit. 00:15:07
That that you know the land value in our minds. 00:15:12
Is much more valuable as a lockable community. 00:15:17
As a continuation of our workable communities and a bunch of semi trucks going in and out of warehouse. 00:15:22
And the challenge, the challenge you have is that when you start building the industrial property, then you have to put in. 00:15:31
Industrial type of growth to be able to manage the big truck and do, do everything that's associated with that. So you kind of 00:15:39
kind of decide. 00:15:44
Which? 00:15:49
Do we really wanna be, you know, how it gets within this whole forward environment? 00:15:51
You know. 00:15:56
I just want whatever it's done to really compliment. 00:15:57
What we're doing on the left side. 00:16:02
And I do think there are users. 00:16:05
I. 00:16:08
You know, basically have a have an offer. 00:16:10
A commercial. 00:16:13
So tomorrow, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:16:15
I'm paying that up 20%. 00:16:20
But you know the route. The route never does. 00:16:21
What's the point of what I'm saying is? 00:16:27
Yes. 00:16:30
I think there's a lot of picking Mill Rd. 00:16:31
1012 under score. 00:16:35
You know, I, I even this is just hate talking, but I think that I have $1200 to go over the track. 00:16:37
You know at the end of the process all the way. 00:16:44
Yes, yes, to connect to the North Promenade, we will. 00:16:49
I think I I remember song that would be great but don't don't have looked at that and I think one of the kids. 00:16:54
See. 00:16:59
Just the amount of ramping, yeah. 00:17:01
Yeah, we have to figure that. 00:17:05
Thing you have to figure out, but if you think about it. 00:17:09
You know. 00:17:12
If we're really trying to create walkable communities and we're really trying to create connectivity. 00:17:14
Better than live connection. That was actually a recommendation from our UH from Dave Foster Albuquerque. 00:17:20
We should try to get some sort of across. 00:17:29
Pedestrians. 00:17:33
And we we've had a planning, so over there in three spots. 00:17:36
You know further down that N you know, from that standpoint how do we create a connection? 00:17:43
Over, over, over the tracks. 00:17:49
Can I go under Time Tracks? Is that? 00:17:52
So easy to work with. It's like you could go under an expedited bill over too, right? Well, those are all the those are all the 00:17:57
challenges. Umm you have to you have to deal with the UPS. It's not traditionally. 00:18:05
Really, really excited about going under the track. We don't feel that there are samples where they visit this. 00:18:14
Trail connection under the Geneva Rd. 00:18:23
For the one that is not the next two days, we don't know that. So they always, yeah, you know, you got to put in a little pressure 00:18:27
on them. You got to do a lot of things to try. 00:18:32
To try and start your mayor. 00:18:37
Saying that you know the reality of it is it will take work. 00:18:43
But all I'm saying saying is it's uh, More connected, more connectivity, more pedestrian attachment. 00:18:48
You know, are really, really good and when I take pedestrians where you're on a scooter or you're on a. 00:18:57
If you're on a bicycle, you know, whatever we build would be something that. 00:19:04
With the accessible and that that standpoint. 00:19:08
And we even spoke with the ideas and they just split their something. 00:19:11
Yes, you know they need a class. So forgive me teachers, you know there, but if I. 00:19:17
700,000 user which is a 700%. 00:19:23
But these are bumping out better. 00:19:27
Trying to go to the point, but there's no way it would happen so. So the reality of it is if we show them a master plan where they 00:19:29
put the parking on. 00:19:32
Umm, do you think you side of the track? 00:19:38
Build. 00:19:41
You know, on the side of the track. 00:19:43
You know or you know, having, having a connection, you know everything that I believe is a good idea. You know, you know from that 00:19:49
standpoint. And what we're trying to do right now with our master planner is. 00:19:55
OK, really. 00:20:01
How much of this should be industrial? 00:20:03
Just kidding. Well and so some of the some of this is market driven and so from our standpoint as as much as Town Center as we 00:20:07
can, we can. 00:20:13
Build over on the other side, all the way to the north, all the way South. 00:20:19
The better it is for us, the better it is for the city, better it is for everyone. 00:20:23
You know the the issue is it's an enormous size. Sometimes we lose scale of how big the signings we're talking just this silent 00:20:27
track. 00:20:31
Probably 10 to 15,000,000 square feet of space and for the other side could potentially if it's you know if it ends up being 00:20:36
advanced. The other difficulty is there's more environmental issues on the effect. So we can't do residential if we could do 00:20:41
residential and then I think we can mirror this whole thing but. 00:20:46
Since you can't do that. 00:20:51
You know the real it comes down to you can do commercial office, some retail. 00:20:53
Well, well in in industrial and with office where it is with you know I had a tenant just talk to me the other day during 100,000 00:20:59
feet somewhere else. 00:21:03
We're looking for 50,000 feet, just way better. 00:21:08
For kind of the in and out of the office type usage. So we're we're consolidating the half and so we are seeing a lot of that in 00:21:13
the market. 00:21:17
I think we're all on the same page of wanting the same thing I. 00:21:22
I don't know how far we're going to be able to push this vision. 00:21:26
You know, if I don't want to go on it, is that all it's gonna all have to be this way? And then it's like, wait a minute, you 00:21:30
know, 30 years from now, you know, we're not talking necessarily like that, umm from the feedback, not that necessarily like that 00:21:36
a special purpose zone district that that that we're looking at more higher level because one thing we found with the downtown. 00:21:43
Even these people call here and there and then your child people want to be a little bit of that interest and and kind of looking 00:21:49
at it. So once the desktop plan got put in place, right. I mean, just lit up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't know. I 00:21:55
think having my things that are a lot more practical even, you know, with the job plan, you can build a lot of flexibility and 00:22:00
then apply zoning. 00:22:06
I think on our side, I'm just worried that things are coming in before you're ready, you're going to make some kind of decision 00:22:12
that's gonna. 00:22:15
Uh, camper or something better. Oh, do you even have What's that landowner on the north side? 00:22:19
Marcel. And he's like, hey, I'm ready to go in this building. I'll be a part of Milk Road to us, right? I didn't find it right 00:22:25
here. Yeah. 00:22:30
300 and 400,000, right. And so when we when we're having those conversations. 00:22:35
And we, I think we're more and more of this, the difference you guys have. 00:22:41
Then it's hard to direct this conversation because you're. 00:22:45
You need to see this bigger picture. She doesn't want to do sidewalks. Yeah, they just want to take this place. 00:22:50
Yeah. 00:23:00
Which there is some. Oh, sorry, no. 00:23:01
I was saying that there are some uses some large office users who do have some components of this manufacturing and. 00:23:05
That is one really unique thing about this site that other sites don't have that if you could have both within walking distance or 00:23:12
biking or you know so that you can have your. 00:23:17
In office users here we need to go and look at the facility and so, so there is some, so that's what. 00:23:22
Some of this is just gonna over time, you know, kind. 00:23:29
But I do agree having something with an infrastructure in place and that's kind of what we've seen all over the city, you know 00:23:33
when when we first started down here. 00:23:37
We didn't have this. 00:23:42
Over. 00:23:42
Sewer power, Water, gas. You have to see my dog to find your way up and in there in the English seminar. 00:23:44
We were really, we were really bullish on the fact. 00:23:51
If you put this stuff in, everyone will come because your accessibility to everything else to put all. 00:23:54
All the open space and trails that I ride my bike there every morning, I it's incredible. I mean. 00:24:00
The experience that we have for the South of this project is awesome and I think just. 00:24:05
Facing that denture and rolling that up to the north and then now flipping that over on the other side of the plan, I do agree 00:24:10
that will be beneficial for for all of this. So I think yeah, so I think we just were calling we we need to see something so that 00:24:14
we can. 00:24:19
Care about foreign conversations with these other players are coming in that honestly don't care for us to do something. I 00:24:24
understand we're gonna spend a lot of time. 00:24:28
Yeah, about about them adapting. 00:24:34
A digit, you know on on that side. It's coming up with a real vision that. 00:24:38
I think it's practical. They have a lot of pressure from them today to put their land in service. 00:24:43
And I think they've been thinking how the special things and then some student buildings and maybe some. 00:24:49
Umm, incubator Type of space you know you know from, from that standpoint. 00:24:56
But I do think that they are now experiencing some market flow. 00:25:03
And so I think their business is expanding. 00:25:10
And there's been some communication between US and them about. 00:25:15
Uh, we really just have to work together. 00:25:19
You know, so I just, you know, the opening of this station. 00:25:22
It's time to open a lot of people's eyes, you know, there. 00:25:28
And I saw your modifications in our press release instead of a. 00:25:33
300 acre size and all we want to we want to take the 300 acre size and upside side here. 00:25:37
Because to us, it really is a. 00:25:45
The same time and I think the phrase you do, oh, they're kind of industrial uses, but then. 00:25:48
You know a user comes in and you know they're gonna provide 2000 jobs for him and then industrial situation. 00:25:53
You know to to ask all about people. 00:25:59
It's all about population. 00:26:02
But I we we always hear especially a breakfast, you know that last five years, but we don't have a lot of commercial. 00:26:07
Well, I mean there there are a lot of jobs if you don't realize that part of the city. 00:26:13
But I think if there was a plan in place and umm, you know, if you can do industrial, so a walkable still could feel part of that. 00:26:19
That's why I could have, I guess that we're working on it and helping to to guide it, uh, as opposed to what happened? 00:26:27
Stuff happened. 00:26:36
You know, there's not sidewalks people drive there. 00:26:38
I don't think we're opposed to those manufacturing up to straighten up, especially the university. 00:26:43
Product coming down that that they just don't work. I think you are right. 00:26:49
I think I 100% agree. 00:26:54
Let me just add a Monday. 00:26:56
Have you sent that in here? The biggest worry in New York City is establishing to monitor. 00:26:59
Which we haven't had. 00:27:07
We have to work really hard. 00:27:10
At maintaining our budget given the income. 00:27:12
So I. 00:27:16
I want with this. 00:27:18
I want access. I love that. 00:27:21
Yeah, and. 00:27:26
I have to worry about how I'm gonna pay for the fire department. 00:27:29
Which is extremely expensive. 00:27:32
And a continuing growing lease, which is extremely expensive. 00:27:35
And I am confidently won't support. 00:27:39
So I want all those things. 00:27:43
I wanted to produce income so we can continue to call the results, but. 00:27:47
Mayor, did you have something there? You unmuted yourself? 00:27:54
Yeah, I did. Sorry, I didn't want to lose. 00:27:57
It takes me a second to. 00:28:01
Be available to talk again. That group is new. Umm, something that I did want to say. Did you guys mention the timeline for coming 00:28:04
back as planned from your designers with a couple of months out? Yeah, yeah. 00:28:09
I mean it. 00:28:18
Oh yeah. 00:28:20
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Our timeline is pretty rapid right now for how we want. 00:28:22
Yeah. Can you guys still hear me? 00:28:29
OK. Our timeline is really rapid and so. 00:28:33
You were saying we kind of don't want to double up on planning, but it's the first half. Is it going to be for a couple of months 00:28:36
and we're going to be hitting planning really hard. I wonder how we could synchronize our efforts together as we go through this 00:28:40
process. 00:28:44
That's a good question. That was one of the things I was actually gonna bring up. What I don't think it's helpful for any of us if 00:28:49
we just have them go work on a plan with no input. I think that's what today's meeting will hopefully be. You guys can express 00:28:55
some of your visions etcetera and then we can go back to them and incorporate those now. 00:29:00
And then have another meeting and maybe maybe we can have them pull it forward there, mayor. Umm, but I don't. Yeah, I don't wanna 00:29:06
just do this in the I mean. 00:29:10
We work so well together. In the past, most cities we would never do this with because it's just like, uh, how about we bring you 00:29:16
our vision and then? 00:29:20
But that dinner's always been different. It's just been very collaborative and we've worked together here probably always get 00:29:24
exactly what we want. But. 00:29:28
The end result has always been really, really good and and I think. 00:29:33
I think that'll be the same thing that happens here. So and and there's still that you understand when we say a couple months out 00:29:38
we're gonna be getting draft. 00:29:42
Umm, what? We've tried to get our direction. 00:29:47
Here in a few weeks, we're going to be getting drafts of us. But you know, every time I get that I call an architect, I go, Oh 00:29:50
yeah, this is really, this is a great idea. 00:29:54
This is not a great idea. 00:29:59
Our here is to show you something that come back when it comes back a week later and say Oh yeah, that's just one, so we did 00:30:03
something else. 00:30:06
No, that that you don't. That's a couple of months. Yeah. No, I love that, I think. 00:30:10
No, I love what I love what you're saying, but I think my concern. 00:30:16
Stomach fluoride. The patient. I'm. I'm still here. I can. There you are. You're back. 00:30:25
Umm, OK. So I I agree. And the idea of having you try out this week is coordinate something where we're planning together because 00:30:32
the timeline that we're in for planning, I think. 00:30:38
Probably four months in total that we're gonna do rapid planning umm of this area. 00:30:43
And so after seeing draft, I think you need to kind of do a. 00:30:48
Umm plan like we said last time with the downtown that might that might be helpful for our process and I don't know if that's too 00:30:54
much for you guys, but I just wouldn't want to plan outside of planning together since like you said we've done so well planning 00:30:58
together in the past. 00:31:03
No, we're kinda like we're kinda like the city. We don't have anything else going on. 00:31:08
I mean because well today that would be a priority for us. We would love we we would be happy to work with you and collaborate 00:31:18
with you on content that includes you in this process. That's not that's not our. 00:31:24
That's not our concern. It is probably a little hard to have a public meeting every time we speak with you. 00:31:31
So I'm not trying to say exclude people, but you know, it would be nice if we could just for quicker, maybe we need some people 00:31:37
individually as we're going right? 00:31:43
From from that, that's the complaint. 00:31:49
And also maybe in between have a have a public meeting so that there is some. 00:31:52
To make people aware, because we can't. We can't have every time we talk about anything. 00:31:57
They don't want to do this big long process of notice when you give you imagery of what we're trying to create and all of a sudden 00:32:02
that I think it helps take the picture of the direction that we're trying trying to go so that we can give you imagery. 00:32:09
From around the country or world that that's the space that we're trying to create and that's in this in this space to help give 00:32:16
you. 00:32:19
A little bit of vision when you're looking at. 00:32:23
Various properties within within the city and uh you know that's kind of our hope of you to use too is we want we want to give 00:32:27
them some vision. 00:32:31
So that they understand that this property is really, really important and understand how. 00:32:37
How it really should be. 00:32:44
For their benefit? For their students benefit. 00:32:48
You know, it's the tenants that we wanna put in this property and in the city. 00:32:51
Are places where UVU students can get jobs where they? 00:32:55
Work and want to live and see, you know, be a part of this community. 00:32:59
And you know, I think we have a really unique opportunity. 00:33:05
To create some collaboration with them. 00:33:09
Hopefully we can accomplish you know we we still for long term relationship with you and I do think that we can help. 00:33:13
Don't direct them and that's that's process as well. 00:33:21
This would be really a beneficial, uh, situation. 00:33:25
So I I think I I I don't know. I'm I'm all for. 00:33:28
Including the city in this collaboration and working with our. 00:33:34
There are people in this regard. 00:33:37
You know where we're reacting is we're getting. 00:33:40
Inquiries by tenants. 00:33:43
Let's say you know can I make this my Utah cancel, Can I can I create? 00:33:47
A space here that will. 00:33:53
You know like this like I have in California. You know like I have like I have in Chicago if you know if they're. 00:33:56
That kind of those are the kind of humor we're getting now and we're usually telling them has to be a little bit better than what, 00:34:04
you know, California, a little bit better than when you have. 00:34:09
Yeah. 00:34:15
Who does it? Yeah, yeah. 00:34:20
Yeah, yeah. 00:34:25
Yeah, yeah. 00:34:29
Hey, hey, yeah, yeah. I want the master track. No, no, no, no, no. 00:34:34
He's talking about a lot of *******. 00:34:45
I'm going to Mexico. 00:34:49
Yeah, and I'd love to ask for your check here. 00:34:52
Yeah. So just a a question for the counselor today. I know the direction of the higher consultants, Umm, but then? 00:34:54
The property owners have a result and they're wanting to work with you at a higher level. Then is there a new need? I don't think 00:35:02
so. It depends on how good they are. I guess they're consulting. No are. 00:35:08
They they may not want to commit. 00:35:17
There again, I say we still make the application for the stationary plan. 00:35:20
OK. 00:35:25
So what? What if they just set up like every other week? 00:35:26
Where you can. 00:35:31
Just kind of get that effect based. 00:35:33
Yeah, it doesn't have to be long. 00:35:36
But, and I don't know if you know that those meetings are three days, so that's what. 00:35:38
You have three. We have 31223. Can I ask you? Yeah, so. 00:35:43
You could either have that on a rotating basis. 00:35:49
With council members or and like they said, I think occasionally you still wanna have a notification. So just we're taking 00:35:52
everything public and open. 00:35:58
And then we just do that with your normal meetings where we have a portion of that because it's not gonna be hours. I don't think 00:36:07
you know, more like here's kinda where we're at, here's the direction we're having. Yeah, there there, there are a couple of 00:36:13
things. So if if it's not like that that you can talk to, uh, something to do that. 00:36:19
Like obviously that's there and it's kind of in the past. Is there something really great for my recreation standpoint or uh if 00:36:25
you can put towards the commercial use? 00:36:29
Umm, you know, and it's been something that. 00:36:35
We're working on that too. 00:36:37
Certainly part of the market. 00:36:45
So there's there's parts of these diet and and uh, the the parts that we know, right? But there's parts that you guys don't take 00:36:47
longer than. 00:36:50
Yeah, we'll figure out if we move one of them, just because it's geometric considerations, like there's certain things we can't 00:36:54
understand. Irrigate. 00:36:58
You can't. See below this. You can't put in your. 00:37:02
The. 00:37:08
So. 00:37:08
But, but there are uses that still fit and we're trying to figure out. 00:37:10
What's the best thing you can put up there that we can still do? And that's obviously we still have to get that approach ID, so 00:37:14
that process is gonna be a while. 00:37:18
You know, there's a greenhouse gonna take a while to figure out. We we've already kicked off the geotextile investigation. 00:37:23
Type of degree files at Gary's running and. 00:37:30
You know, we're trying to, we're trying to figure out. 00:37:33
How much is that or even surcharge? Because after it's been there for, you know, 20 years. 00:37:35
And did you technically stable down at a certain desk and digitally? 00:37:41
Uh. 00:37:47
Does that mean that you can see that general property? 00:37:48
Yeah. 00:37:52
We'll see. I mean, ideally most of the time, most of the time. 00:37:53
Umm, so, so the the state that the shopping carts and telephone calls. 00:37:58
And do those other areas, it's trimmed out. 00:38:04
Yeah. 00:38:09
Yeah, yeah. 00:38:10
You know, you know what we we got, we're in COVID sometimes we could accept this and I'm not even. 00:38:13
So we we try to help them out. I guess they came out with one log that they came out of the system. 00:38:21
Umm, go ahead. 00:38:29
And we're like, whoa, uh, no more. 00:38:31
Yeah, yeah. The the other thing is the idea of innovation. Umm. 00:38:39
Yeah. I'm sorry if if it's all done to have the expertise system, we'll get to that. Kind of what how that takes. Mm-hmm. We're 00:38:44
gonna. Yeah. With that, we're gonna get EVU involved and have discussions with them on how this all kind of ties together. I don't 00:38:51
remember that. That's kind of part of this process here. Yeah. I really think it's really important. 00:38:57
Community as a whole. And so we have to be careful that we don't put a ugly pressure building right. 00:39:04
I'm not saying you know the cash flow is a great asset, but you know the reality of it is. 00:39:10
So you know the university of our research product. 00:39:19
Yeah, we have a lot of billing with our research park and and. 00:39:22
One of the reasons why it's really popular is because of it, you know, kind of use and all the various aspects of that, so. 00:39:26
When we're coming up with a master plan at the UPU side and of our side of the site, we wanna make sure that we preserve. 00:39:34
A lot of those types of opportunities, so if you have the appropriate space. 00:39:42
You know, when I hear somebody say, oh, no sidewalk, well. 00:39:46
I guess why you wanna do that with big trucks are going in and out of these these pro properties? 00:39:50
Having pedestrians there can be problematic in those in those situations on the other side of the point. 00:39:56
Yeah, if you're gonna have an Innovation Center, you're gonna have some large employers in here. 00:40:02
I think you need to have. 00:40:07
Uh, these packets spaces to make it better and make it make it something that's recently positive. 00:40:09
I mean, you know, it's taking me a long time to transport our position to realize. 00:40:18
Apartments really think that if if, if you know that there. 00:40:23
And, you know, trails are. 00:40:28
You know, transportation networks for the future, you know from that standpoint. 00:40:31
You know, anytime I see a trail or see something somewhere else, that's really cool. You know, we're gonna start bringing you. 00:40:37
Those ideas. So the thing here is to come up and. 00:40:45
Then then then the state or in the region you know if if you know like in the region I. 00:40:48
Colorado, California. Everything you know, you know. 00:40:55
That's our dream. Our dream is that this whole area. 00:41:00
Does interconnect at least become kind of an ideal person? 00:41:04
And I really do you think we can create that, uh, you know, here, I think that. 00:41:09
Our goal with our master plan is. 00:41:14
But you know, from an Innovation side, you haven't crossed the Innovation player into that dish yet. 00:41:17
I think the group we've hired has done a lot. 00:41:23
Uh, transformation of industrial places they did. 00:41:27
UH watch project down in Austin field icon property. 00:41:32
That build over 98 square feet there. 00:41:37
Taking the old industrial. 00:41:39
Network and now creating kind of a new channel in Austin in that in that place and. 00:41:42
You know, these are the kind of things that we. 00:41:48
You be used to consider that they're laying out their. 00:41:52
You know side of the side of the property because. 00:41:56
And there's a lot of tax from them that they come from, from that. 00:41:59
Yeah, yeah, it's all about 5. 00:42:03
I just I just done. 00:42:06
The more bodies we put here, the more retail sales are gonna. 00:42:08
You know, the higher wages are gonna be, the higher the property values are gonna be, which will increase the property taxes. 00:42:12
And all these kind of things increase the sales tax and it just makes it all more viable and the quality of the tenants that we 00:42:20
bring in will be. 00:42:25
You know. 00:42:30
Yeah, you know. 00:42:32
I think, I think we're just scratching the surface here. 00:42:33
And I think working together. 00:42:37
And they are all for accelerating as fast as the Tampa accelerated. 00:42:39
But. 00:42:44
And I wanna work together to help accomplish that. 00:42:45
So let me make sure to. 00:42:49
Somebody, some of the border group and maybe not so, and some of them give you at the very least to our work section that doesn't 00:42:51
happen. 00:42:56
So that they. 00:43:00
See what's going on Question. I don't think that would be beneficial. The the hard thing about that is, is, is that. 00:43:03
And that's why I was kind of. 00:43:12
I can't really talk about it. Or a lot. A lot of a lot of business, A lot of business ideas, A lot of business ideas, right. I 00:43:15
don't necessarily wanna share. 00:43:20
Yeah, sure. That's what I needed. Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll talk to you then. He's just saying we'll get into. 00:43:25
Nervous about I get nervous about Nate, you know, You know and everything. 00:43:37
A lot. 00:43:45
Very cute dispirit. So I'm going to go all gas, no grass. 00:43:48
You know that's the challenge that and I do think it's important that that you include all the property. 00:43:55
My hope is that you. 00:44:02
Your presentation as well inspire the other groups to stay outside that they're doing which. 00:44:04
They won't run it. That's, you know, it it everything we do, everybody's property value. People don't realize that the whole night 00:44:10
it will go up, everything will go up. 00:44:15
You know, so when you raise your, when you raise your legs. 00:44:21
Sometimes that works. So we we, when we talk specifically about getting a meeting, yeah. And just saying like. 00:44:27
Here's the way that we're mastering this. And the theory is that in our mind he underbuilt right. Because it's just the more 00:44:36
hanging through and so you could do it. And so we we we're, we can't much. So we. 00:44:44
There are there are unique environment. 00:44:53
I think where the lawyers are so important, they're such a major state and Geneva Rd. 00:44:57
That's an opportunity there. Yeah. I mean, I think. 00:45:07
And no. 00:45:13
Yeah, and that that was after. 00:45:18
But, but but you know, I think you're and. 00:45:27
Feeling about involving other property owners this morning? 00:45:30
Yeah. 00:45:35
And and like me don't remember, yeah, but he he was trying to say. 00:45:36
There are some really unique environmental challenges here. We're looking at the work around that. That will be on the planning 00:45:41
side and also on the development timing standpoint. 00:45:44
So, umm, you know, just know. 00:45:49
We're, we're making. 00:45:51
That's the plan, is aware of those things. 00:45:54
Unfortunately, we lost that for two months. Good. 00:45:58
You get that soccer. Oh, they don't know. 00:46:07
I'm wearing it so. 00:46:13
These people are throwing a beard. 00:46:22
Yeah. 00:46:26
I'd rather see. 00:46:29
Yeah, that's good. So anyway, uh. 00:46:31
Just just know that as we're going through the conversation there is gonna. 00:46:35
Some discussion about what environmental impacts were, what mediation took place and the timing of distance, but it will it will 00:46:39
have an effect on. 00:46:44
You got that interest in multi map environment because I know UH residential right now is not allowed. 00:46:52
Alleviating the master plan showing they're showing on the South side. Uh, adding a lot of people out there. 00:47:00
But you know, it's pretty good. 00:47:06
You know. 00:47:09
Yeah. 00:47:16
Yeah, I think we would, Yeah. 00:47:18
Just to make it, you know, people that don't want to start by, they're not going to do the whole thing, but that's that could be. 00:47:22
Yeah, so, we so. 00:47:32
We've talked about some period. 00:47:33
What the possibilities are? 00:47:36
We'll be, Yeah, we'll be. It would probably be. 00:47:38
Some, some additional deviation and maybe some even building systems type stuff that people building on top of parking structures 00:47:44
etcetera. 00:47:49
And we've done, we've done sites in other cities. 00:47:53
When we created a barrier. 00:47:58
The base of barrier upside. 00:48:00
And it's usually we've developed you know, on those sides when we've got that so that we can put housing on top of the side where 00:48:03
you create that paper barrier. 00:48:08
It still appears and. 00:48:14
You know, challenges is. 00:48:16
From that standpoint, you know The funny thing about it is. 00:48:19
Since we talked about this part property being really contaminated. 00:48:24
The contamination is so much. 00:48:29
A lot of other steps that we get developed and you know the thing about housing is somebody who have plant potatoes. 00:48:33
They're gonna get sick because they need to pay the directions. Something like that, you know, and and and so you ain't. Yeah 00:48:40
ain't. Uh, you ain't. 00:48:46
Even create that potential. 00:48:52
Impression in the future because. 00:48:55
Maybe you don't want to create. 00:48:58
So those are the kind of the. 00:49:01
Yeah, we need. 00:49:04
Make sure that even if we do have. 00:49:06
And we run the risk of creating a problem. 00:49:09
No, you're right. We've already run into that with some of those things. 00:49:14
Things that we discussed on the north side. 00:49:17
Yeah, yeah. And I and I think working would be too closely on that. 00:49:20
You guys know we've been overly caught. We've gone above and beyond where we're putting residential versus what they're telling, 00:49:27
like EQ said we could do. 00:49:30
What we were doing before with the LRA material on that side, we said no. It's just it's tough to say. Everything is clean except 00:49:35
under the road there's some material that has some oil in it. It's just no, just scrape it all off, clean it all off, sample when 00:49:40
the heck out of it and get it all signed off. So when someone found the resident comes, you can say this is been 100% cleaned up, 00:49:46
100% sampled in each. 00:49:51
Has no restrictions, looks like that's a much different discussion than saying well you know except for so but yeah we're we're 00:49:57
we're exploring those those options and some of those things might just be you just build right on top of your parking structure 00:50:03
so that there isn't the issue of some of that because there there is a vapor barrier requirement on that side and you can only do 00:50:09
commercial industrial uses so. 00:50:15
Which does limit some of the things that you can do because. 00:50:21
Having a proximity to the residential on the other side of the track solves that issue because you can just walk right across. And 00:50:25
that's one of the reasons why we're pushing for more of those because then maybe some of the more office tenant users can go on 00:50:30
the east side of the track. But you're still sharing parking with those residential users that are right on the other side of the 00:50:35
track and how far that bleed is. 00:50:39
You know one of the obvious things that, well, when you go to. 00:50:46
Have the students be here with all the promotions. 00:50:52
You, you, you know, you know from that standpoint it's really that further that much for the way. 00:50:55
We'll put the laboratory over there. We'll buy a medical lab right over there or some, something to that effect. I mean those are 00:51:00
the kind of discussions that we need to have with you. 00:51:05
You know, it's definitely coming over here, and you can do other things with this other side. That's just fine. Yeah, we just 00:51:12
gotta work together. Yeah, we just have to work together. 00:51:17
And they've been awesome to work with. 00:51:23
They bought this a long time ago and everyone's kind of like, why aren't you doing anything? But it's not in reality. 00:51:27
They're still. 00:51:32
You know, they've been kind of by themselves and as you look at some of this with all the concrete that's over there, it's kind of 00:51:34
like a war zone with nothing else. 00:51:37
So when they started seeing our plans for the other side, I think that that changed their. 00:51:41
Now when they start seeing. 00:51:45
We're actually building now. That's also said, oh wait a second, this isn't just yeah, they're actually gonna actually build what 00:51:47
they said they were gonna build. 00:51:51
And so that might Elev. 00:51:56
What they're planning on doing and then I think once tenants start to come, it's been tough forever for everyone to catch the 00:51:58
vision of India. But once it gets built. 00:52:01
Very very easy. 00:52:06
And the council has been really good over the history of the year, past that vision before it's built and we intend to do that 00:52:08
here, but. 00:52:11
Some of these tenants is harder, but now the roads are in, the train stations open and it's like, Oh my gosh, the mountains. The 00:52:15
view is incredible. The trail goes right underneath here and have have all these 20,000 residents that can live in all different 00:52:19
classes of housing. 00:52:23
There's no other project has this and. 00:52:28
So we may actually change the press release because the mayor. 00:52:33
Say maybe we ought to put 1200 acres, so that included the space to the ground that we've already built, because that really is. 00:52:36
All all about housing is connected to this. You know, we built 20,000, There's 20,000 residents. 00:52:43
Say it's a. 00:52:50
Yeah, we're already, we're already 400 acres. This is the next phase of the project. What's your point? I think that was a really 00:52:52
good insight that we had to follow and we've been planning this all along. 00:52:57
But but here I think that you're right, we need to do it quickly. 00:53:03
And there are opportunities that are forcing us to move quickly and I think we can communicate and. 00:53:08
Closely together with that. 00:53:14
The other thing about Ubu is that I feel kinda fortunate with this. 00:53:16
You know the president. You could use a business person. 00:53:21
There and. 00:53:25
And whereas in the past, you know, academic part has to be really ideal in this, in this environment. 00:53:27
I think that that there's a lot of things that we can do for you to. 00:53:35
That will help you get more revenue and get more programs and get more. 00:53:40
Opportunity, opportunity and. 00:53:46
You know those discussions are starting to take place and you maybe have some of those there and that that that that has to 00:53:49
happen. 00:53:52
So it's something we can take advantage of a lot of those opportunities. 00:53:57
No, I agree with you. 00:54:01
I'm right on work? 00:54:03
OK. 00:54:05
So I have umm, how do we want to coordinate with you? 00:54:07
Do do we just talk to you guys? 00:54:11
Yeah, you can do that. Umm, so I can get kind of your your opinions on how how often you want me, Umm, I think a biweekly meeting 00:54:14
would be great. And then we have maybe like a bimonthly public meeting, Umm like a Joint Planning Commission council meeting, Umm. 00:54:21
And then as far as using those biasing meetings, we can coordinated. You guys have ideas that you wanna share will bring. 00:54:29
We'll have two council members with those meetings generally. 00:54:38
That'd be great. 00:54:42
I think the only thing that didn't go right with the meeting today. 00:54:45
Two things maybe we can mention that. Any more discussion on the east side? 00:54:58
So West side, umm a couple of things that that we're thinking about and kind of need to talk through a little bit. We don't we 00:55:06
don't necessarily while while you're here while we have well it's just yeah, because I think we're good and it's public. So I 00:55:12
think it's important to just kind of talk through these things. 00:55:17
We've talked to staff and some of you individually, maybe even all of you, about the concern. 00:55:25
But some of these roads and parks being public with home. 00:55:30
Population issues that we've experienced in a lot of. 00:55:35
You know, private, public ownership. 00:55:39
And so we're we're talking, we talked to staff, you know obviously both of us have concerns on both sides of that if it goes all 00:55:41
private and we're maintaining everything versus if it goes all public and we're maintaining it all and we have no ability. 00:55:48
To to kind of keep homeless issues down. 00:55:56
Different types of large rallies on either side of the aisle. 00:56:00
So we're we're talking to attorneys in other places. One of the one of the questions your attorney had, obviously I just wanted to 00:56:04
get this in everyone's mind because it's not a decision that's gonna be made. 00:56:08
You know, straight away we all need to really think through this because we wanna protect the city's ability obviously to use 00:56:14
everything and have the events that you've envisioned doing on the promenade and everywhere. Umm, we we're very supportive of 00:56:18
those, encouraging of those. 00:56:23
We need all that population down there to activate everything. One is just like good things with possibility like. 00:56:28
One of the the biggest deterrents of. 00:56:34
Walking by yourself. 00:56:38
The more people that are around, the safer you feel and you know, so it's just and it's kind of. 00:56:39
CER Circular. Umm, kind of cycle. So anyways, I just wanted to get that in your minds. We need to, we need to think through those 00:56:45
things with transit. 00:56:49
Frontrunner, especially, you know, I don't know if he was telling us within the last few weeks. 00:56:54
A homeless person was on the train station. Did you guys see that? 00:56:59
And the transit police kicked them off. He got off at a station, tried to kick him off, took his Taser, Taser, the guy got off, 00:57:03
ran into UH HOA fitness facility, check the cable and choke somebody and fill them. 00:57:09
So those are the things with transit is incredible and if you thought continue to use transit more often. 00:57:16
Umm, that's gonna be huge for the site, but it does create some unique possibility, because if we're building this incredible 00:57:23
walkable, all these parts, all these paseos that are with savers and they're just incredible. 00:57:29
You know, and then and then we're just gonna be and and and and that's not to be insensitive because we also are doing a lot of 00:57:35
things on the mental health side, you know? 00:57:39
We're not saying. 00:57:44
We're trying to be insensitive, but you can't have a practical reality is people need to feel safe to live and shop and work, or 00:57:46
they're just not going to live, shop or work. 00:57:51
I mean, what's happening in Portland and Seattle right now? 00:57:57
This is a shame. 00:58:01
And and literally, there's no marketability at all for commercial space. 00:58:03
And even, you know, the amount of housing that's current in those cities is. 00:58:09
Down dramatically. 00:58:14
And the places that. 00:58:16
In this type of environment or places where you have the ability to know something, so. 00:58:18
And I just feel like we need to work together. 00:58:24
To put in the past framework you know to be able to to. 00:58:28
Enable. 00:58:33
You know people to say this is private property. 00:58:35
Or this is the same thing there. So what we're talking about, you know, we'll come back to you with something, an example of where 00:58:40
we think it works best. 00:58:43
A year or so it's probably a problem. I close the street and they bought the property for. 00:58:48
From Spotlight city and and the mayor saw it and said well can we do that and the council doesn't do that. 00:58:54
I'm a forget that, you know, if you invite us and create a great space, but all they want to do is make sure. 00:59:00
That protesters, etcetera. 00:59:07
When it generates that space and make it make it a fast phase. 00:59:10
And these are the challenges that. 00:59:14
When you talk about the cost, the point. 00:59:17
Yeah, we wanna keep this space, you know? 00:59:20
Because all of our property around. 00:59:25
Value is dependent upon doing that and so. 00:59:29
Let's work together to come up with the right machine to be able to be able to govern that today so we can protect it for 00:59:33
everybody. 00:59:37
I appreciate that and I know our sheriff has brought up several times. 00:59:43
With myself about some of the things that we need to do before the front understands opens. Yeah. And one of those people we are 00:59:49
Templars, are are coming on. 00:59:54
And umm, that's something. 01:00:02
Expedite. 01:00:05
To be able to get our. 01:00:07
Yeah, yeah. 01:00:14
The Rea, the reality. 01:00:16
The front runner is awesome and and we're all proponents of it, I mean, we've been taking part in the same level to make mass 01:00:17
can't improve and I don't know if you saw the article last year, it'll take 10 more. 01:00:22
But you know if, if, if you. 01:00:30
Free massage transit on the center and you're gonna direct. Just gonna go left, right here. You saw that? 01:00:33
Yeah. 01:00:38
I'm trying to see why you didn't give me the game one three tickets. For now, a big percentage of the ridership is beyond Abd. 01:00:39
But the but the other side of that is you open up the door to the city that has not. 01:00:46
And so, you know, we we just wanna make sure that we're working together to make sure. 01:00:52
That we can. 01:00:56
How? How people want to come through that? 01:00:59
Another thing I think we need to be having discussions is actually the point that we have law enforcement, but it seems like our 01:01:02
public. 01:01:05
Alright. 01:01:10
That's it. 01:01:11
First one. 01:01:13
Umm, we're sorry. Let's say a couple of services. I have like a couple of. 01:01:14
Umm, one of the things that's been really difficult in Portland specifically. 01:01:19
A lot of that. 01:01:25
A lot of the homeless population was. 01:01:26
Recently for a lot of years, but then allowing. 01:01:28
Since. 01:01:31
Do a lot of Justin making around me and then the city not. 01:01:32
Proactively controlling that situation. 01:01:37
All right, and we're starting to work. 01:01:41
Correct. And so I think our products work, we need to. 01:01:43
Setting precedence to what that's going to look like, because as soon as you start going on that path, it's really hard to refer, 01:01:48
umm. And so if you can just have. 01:01:53
Really tight. 01:01:57
Sorry, apologize and do anything like that point if if there's private ownership? 01:01:59
Even if it's a part of the public. 01:02:05
We're we're able to to police in a way that that publicity cannot depend on. 01:02:08
And I think, you know, Jam, Jamie is concerned. 01:02:15
Well, well, we need to make sure that we're not restricting the city's use of the property as well and I think we can like like to 01:02:19
understand, come up with a framework. 01:02:23
Again, we're putting all of them used to launch for those patients. 01:02:28
Allow uh a better a better maintenance. 01:02:33
But not not just the city can do. 01:02:39
You know, practically, but. 01:02:42
Yeah. 01:02:45
But at first time just building up one by well if we can control it that's the that's the challenge is is is control the one law 01:02:49
of creating. 01:02:55
And I understand really candid about it and one follow up creating a little network in your city is is being able to answer so. 01:03:03
So most of a very. 01:03:15
Challenging. 01:03:19
And of health type of homeless person sets up in one of those towns so. 01:03:20
You know that that, you know people don't kind of place that and and uh, it does inhibit. 01:03:26
So we we built the road under 13 S sugar house when we. 01:03:35
You know the this stuff is considered, uh. 01:03:41
We worked with the pilot trails and trails in order to create. 01:03:44
You know, there's a ton of walking around. 01:03:48
Hired all different types of designers, some to go over, some to. 01:03:51
And they show up the the trails group shows. So like that they have a a life well, so halfway under there's a life, uh, guarantee. 01:03:56
On the surface, that's actually pretty nice. 01:04:02
That you know for. 01:04:09
Two years instead of. 01:04:11
The homeless people living. 01:04:14
That low. 01:04:17
And I asked people, well, why don't you? 01:04:18
Oh, why are you going over the street? And then go where we go on stay under the road, you know, and and that. 01:04:21
Yeah. So one of the reasons why I think it's really important that we come up with a network to do this is. 01:04:28
You know, we wanna be able to say to someone, well, let's try the property, we have to deactivate the stress. 01:04:34
And we have done, we will have. 01:04:40
And normally a homeless person wants to go somewhere. 01:04:43
And and so the constant policing number red. 01:04:48
And I think that's kind of our our. 01:04:54
Our goal and our process. 01:04:56
I'm making it sound bigger than it is. OK, yeah, You know, it's here and I don't want to make it. 01:04:58
OK. 01:05:04
Since we've gone up and and you know from that standpoint, I just think it's not to come up with the. 01:05:06
Regime of public private use opportunity so that. 01:05:13
Planner and have fireworks and see whether things whenever celebrations. The city wants to use all of that space. 01:05:18
Oh, I can't. 01:05:27
To be able to be able to do that, do that. 01:05:28
And so we want to encourage that. 01:05:31
We just want the ability to be able to. 01:05:33
And avoid some of the cost. 01:05:37
Public speech, you know that that occurs by certain conditions. 01:05:41
And that's that's that's the general actually from the same side that. 01:05:46
I mean, fine, I I've lived in the Ave. 01:05:56
Umm, and you have that section of the industry that sounds like? 01:06:01
You know, umm or something like that. And then they were ****** out. 01:06:08
That created a massive process. 01:06:13
Yeah, The private, the private, the privatization of that state. 01:06:19
And and and unfortunately created that public uh library and I I was right in the middle of this process. Kind of background. 01:06:24
And so we we have to be really careful about about kind of how. 01:06:34
That our business is regulated. It's not if it's not public, the clinic, the political. 01:06:38
It's something that's OK. And so I agree with you that you don't want to be. 01:06:45
Are any of those types of things? 01:06:51
All right. Yeah. Is to have more people here. 01:06:54
And I don't care. 01:06:57
You know. 01:06:59
Yeah. 01:07:00
Front Range three, you know that's you know I don't care anything about that that type of issue. 01:07:02
Because our goal is to have more people in our restaurants and more people that are customers and every. 01:07:08
In our spinners, right? We want more people to enjoy the less people. 01:07:14
I just wanted to listen to all the place in the hospital. 01:07:20
Uh, you know this situation and that that that's the challenge that I want. 01:07:24
Alright, yeah, yeah. 01:07:30
Umm. 01:07:33
Yeah, yeah. And and and I think today, so today is in a day to really, I mean this this is helpful. I just think we just wanna 01:07:35
plant this in your mind. 01:07:39
We have to work together. It's gonna be a quasi something rather. On how whether it's, you know, one of the things. Well, I don't. 01:07:44
I don't even get into some of the ideas we're having since then it'll open up another oh, I just wanted to bring this up so that 01:07:49
this wasn't like, Oh my head because this is definitely something we all need to think about. And the world is becoming more 01:07:54
divided, not less. 01:07:59
Some of these issues are going to probably become, you know, where we look at it now today and say, well, we're in fact telling 01:08:04
you business we don't have any problem. 01:08:08
But as as the world continues to change, these problems are becoming worse everywhere, and they're becoming issues that they that 01:08:12
you didn't have elsewhere so. 01:08:16
So anyways, I just that was the one item and I had two items like that and I don't even oh. 01:08:21
Umm, uh, no, We don't need to get in there. So very beautiful. Oh yeah, I just have one item. 01:08:28
Second item is Thank you all so much. Thanks for who you are and what you do and. 01:08:35
Building such a great city with us over the last, you know, decade or so and. 01:08:39
We're really, really excited about what we're doing here. 01:08:44
Some we're all going to be proud of for generations so. 01:08:48
OK. 01:08:53
With that, umm. 01:08:55
You didn't necessarily need it for the program, but can we get a most known? 01:08:57
Hello. 01:09:03
OK. OK. All in favor. 01:09:06
Yeah, we're done. Thank you. 01:09:09
I see. 01:09:14
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There we go. 00:00:02
Umm. 00:00:04
Julie, do you want? 00:00:06
Officially open up the meeting or I'm happy to do that as well. 00:00:08
All right. You go ahead and do it. I have to address that. I appreciate it. OK, uh, no problem. The time is 1136. Uh. We're here 00:00:13
for a work session with UH Flagship in Woodbury for public meeting on July 15th, 2022. 00:00:21
Umm, the agenda for this meeting is it's pretty open-ended. We wanted to have a discussion about the East Geneva Master Plan, 00:00:31
primarily UMM. The Council has approved funding to begin a master planning process for for that area. 00:00:37
Umm, with that. The main reason for doing so is with the entire East Geneva parcel. So this is everything, umm, east of the 00:00:43
downtown, Umm, that's all in an RDA area as well. And so we have an opportunity to insert significant public dollars and we wanna 00:00:50
make sure that we have a plan in place that we can pitch to the public as well, umm, and have them on board with anything that we 00:00:56
are planning for that area. 00:01:03
Umm, but we wanna do it in a collaborative process with the land owners as well. Umm, we do have a couple pieces of land that UH 00:01:10
developers are moving on, mainly in the North East quadrant that we have. 00:01:17
Umm the Martin Snow property, which is in that area that Morgan is highlighting there and then the Geneva nitrogen parcel. 00:01:24
And those two are moving quickly. 00:01:31
And so that's kind of what started this whole discussion and as. 00:01:33
Across the budget season this year, we just wanna make sure that we are. 00:01:39
Not just letting anything happen there if. 00:01:43
We wanna make it connected to everything else that's being built in that area. 00:01:46
Is just like that. And by they're they're the one friction that I'm alright, I wanna do it. Yeah, we have something they want, 00:01:53
yeah. 00:01:56
OK, so they umm from what I understand they can get one building on the Internet. 00:02:02
Umm. 00:02:09
They they can get more. Well with the current access uh debt plan I do not really do too much if that's the only access we're 00:02:10
gonna try to pull in off of a dozen Mill Road ext. We want to have the Mill Road ext and that one front access. Then the plan was 00:02:17
to move forward with a uh a large plus office building. Can you show them the. 00:02:24
I can pull up. Mm-hmm. Yeah, the last time that we saw that. 00:02:32
And uh, also we brought lunch. So umm, it's just out there on the table with the capital. 00:02:38
Umm, umm yeah. I don't know how I want to handle stuff in there, but you get hungry eggs and cut out there and. 00:02:53
Exactly. OK. 00:03:07
Someone in the chat wanted to get into something. 00:03:12
Oh, that was earlier. 00:03:18
You're fine. 00:03:23
OK. 00:03:26
From a plan that I thought it was like it has one. 00:03:30
Something that would probably be like manufacturing. 00:03:34
They say they said in our last public meeting. 00:03:39
And then they had, I believe it. 00:03:46
Four other smaller buildings, the 20 side of that building. 00:03:49
That could be another. 00:03:53
Yeah, What I remember from my meeting with them is particularly about regarding that and one of those doctors. 00:03:54
Did the doctor's office. Yeah, here it is. Yeah. And then the building, umm, from my understanding, it could be multiple companies 00:04:03
throughout the building. 00:04:07
It would, umm, it would be one of the largest programming vendors, right? Yeah, I think the largest bill right now, I believe it's 00:04:13
just seven piece is a uh left office building. 00:04:18
And that's, uh, 270, two 180,000 square feet. 00:04:24
But to give you some perspective. 00:04:28
UH, 27 acres. 00:04:31
That's 1200. What's the road? Well, I don't know exactly 1200. 00:04:34
I'm sorry, it's called down that property line. 00:04:41
So this this is that's what I guess. 00:04:46
That that that picture. 00:04:51
Yeah, and are they trying to crash a little bit? 00:05:00
My good idea is that it would be the task. 00:05:08
So they get umm the two rows that we want to pull in from the web off of the for the one here that we have more on the north side 00:05:12
of the project kind of on the South end. 00:05:18
One thing is we'll do that first building. 00:05:26
Umm, And. 00:05:29
Uh. 00:05:31
Has access was allowed on the spur lines to get to make a space vendor to retail to have a uh, small office going here that 00:05:32
they're considering medical office. 00:05:37
It's pregnant with potentially the gas station. 00:05:44
UH, Section. 00:05:48
Uh, these are all touched on type path. 00:05:49
You're not business, Texas. 00:05:57
Uh, yes. You don't have a phone. So right now we have the. 00:06:01
Give me the road UH access plan. 00:06:04
And so that that allows for. 00:06:10
The one signalized intersection here at 12. 00:06:12
And then I believe a couple of points, umm. One right. Then they may be allowed two lines and right now, umm. 00:06:16
Possibly more additional full assets, but not just signalized. That's full of lineup, but there's there's a few access points, but 00:06:23
they're not. 00:06:27
Umm, so the 1200 is the cheapest? Yeah, I'm calling myself. Uh, I paid so much for it as soon as they got the back access. 00:06:31
Something over the road isn't for the partners. 00:06:37
And they don't have a tenant for that yet. 00:06:45
Several minutes. There's a lot that's kind of interested in it. So uh, they're they're closer, sounds very soft and it's no, no. 00:06:48
Politics discussions for the small discussion we had on Wednesday sounds like that's the fact zone to the budget. The other one, 00:06:57
yeah, I mean, even that kind of gets this final week. We know some probably staffed up 10 times. 00:07:04
Umm, umm, there, there's no plans to go to solar, industrial bus offices, Umm, I think there's only three smaller lines. So uh, we 00:07:15
pushed it to get the retail and some uh. 00:07:21
Awesome, Great. But there's 12. 00:07:28
So basically to talk about kind of the urgency of everything, so we initiated this rezone because right now their zone is a heavy 00:07:33
industrial, Umm, we have an RDA agreement with them that allows them to have some additional funds if they're bringing up the, the 00:07:38
use of this property. And so that's kind of what started this whole process with the negotiations on on this parcel, Umm, but 00:07:44
really we wanted to talk about. 00:07:49
Like the history of so far what we put in the original general plan. I know a lot of things have changed we're we're more. 00:07:55
Into the downtown, we brought wood buried on itself. 00:08:02
Talking about some of those things would be umm good to highlight some of the challenges you guys are facing and then talk about 00:08:05
umm the plans and desires of the council umm and get the new members up to speed as well. So can I ask real quick on the on the 00:08:11
desire for master candy? It sounds like you're pretty far down the road with the. 00:08:18
So the the national planning effort. 00:08:25
Would have excluded if you need an oxygen to sort of take into account what that needs to be. 00:08:27
As as the national planning. 00:08:34
We we still have that umm as part of that. You guys, since they're staying and they they've told us they don't really want us to 00:08:36
be done, Umm. 00:08:40
Uh, now, so if we can let the Council system activity? 00:08:45
Umm and so they they obviously would move forward with that that benefit. Umm I believe that you know. 00:08:49
Umm, you know, having something that transition well into your project. Uh, so they're gonna pay for that over. 00:08:55
Umm, and the only kind of the purpose like uh, when I just talked about with the RBA funds, umm, helping the account for RBA more 00:09:02
to know, umm that there's like a larger plan in place that we're trying to get something that side. Mm-hmm. And also as we move 00:09:10
forward with infrastructure to understand the land use to help us to know what types of having the university right here, UMM and 00:09:17
study Mill Rd. there's a lot of opportunities, you know, having university there. 00:09:24
So you don't know UH as a very large collector or is there an opportunity to make the next session to have on UH as soon as right 00:09:32
there? 00:09:36
You know from a block, umm standpoint, uh, you know the the university is is composing a very similar block size now. It's not 00:09:41
your plan, it's not your plan for the very suburban model which is just like one giant cold of fact type campus to UH to bring 00:09:49
several smaller blocks. So they wanna try to kinda keep that thing going. I think they met with just like 20 did they OK. 00:09:58
We we encourage. 00:10:08
To have this be very cohesive on both sides is important. Uh, Regardless. 00:10:11
How you know how educational they're going first and what what they want to do. 00:10:16
And I think the city's desire in talking to council members of science officers and they still like to see walkability, you know 00:10:20
throughout the entire city, Umm, but that's kind of what level and so understand from a man's perspective and block sizes. I think 00:10:27
that's going to really help us understand that you know at what design we build mill roads 1200 N like the the larger background. 00:10:35
Yeah that makes sense. So a after we met, I don't know a couple of months ago. 00:10:42
Talking about taking off NASCAR funding on the East side. So we we have and the reason why I'm doing this because I just don't 00:10:50
have duplicate access. 00:10:54
Umm, so we we hired. 00:10:58
What we think is a really good one as a lot of experience in the next. 00:11:01
You know, like Industrial Confidential Area. 00:11:07
And so they're actually working. 00:11:10
On. 00:11:12
Yeah, we're just so we're gonna coordinate that all the way. Yeah. And and I know you're saying allocated funding. I don't, I 00:11:15
don't, I don't think you've done that with the RSP. No, but so, so I think in the. 00:11:21
Couple of months. 00:11:28
Uh, we'll be able to have another word discussion with council where you can. 00:11:29
Some of the concept. 00:11:34
Uh, this term has come up with and we're pretty excited. 00:11:37
The direction that we're going, you know, there, there. 00:11:40
Like he said, there's gotta be kind of a practical element. 00:11:43
You. 00:11:47
It's a it's a light industrial area and you have to make sure that it's functional and practical and all those things. 00:11:48
It can also. 00:11:55
Umm, geared towards making sure that we have the connectivity and the pedestrian connections and all of those things to the land 00:11:57
planning and also make sure. 00:12:02
Domain planning is done in a way that it doesn't just look like it's current time in the spot, it doesn't really. 00:12:07
Right. But it, you know, it's in our in our view. 00:12:12
There's different uses on this new side and they kind of transition as you don't have. 00:12:16
So you know the. 00:12:21
Corridor is kind of the front door to the rest of what we're doing down here and. 00:12:24
Needs to feel a little bit different than maybe what about 1600 more that's across from. 00:12:29
PB Flake Industrial Park. 00:12:36
Umm. And so you know, that's kind of direction that we've given. 00:12:38
The last time a different multiple usage in there that is gonna be appropriate. 00:12:42
Yeah, some of those are gonna be treated by the market. So the the other thing that we that we really ask them to do, we're going 00:12:49
to talk to you about. 00:12:53
He's also providing flexibility. 00:12:58
So that you know. 00:13:00
Different uses. 00:13:02
Uh, come in and and there's different uses are appropriate. So we have the flexibility to say, OK, this user came in and they want 00:13:04
a 40 acre. 00:13:08
Uh, for this use. But you know, that kind of transitions over into different blocks that we have in the master plan, and so we 00:13:12
need to have some. 00:13:16
Flexibility to match. 00:13:21
Well, we, you know, instead of. 00:13:25
Smaller Billings going to be one big, big building and they'll probably segment that in general, that big building internally, but 00:13:28
you can design that and have one big footprint, so he says. And you know, looks good on the track. 00:13:35
Yeah, the the one thing that I would say here just because we're on 10. 00:13:42
You. 00:13:47
There's a lot of demand for that. 00:13:49
That only brings your life back into a certain point. 00:13:52
You know, you know, from that standpoint and literally they're just planning to be. 00:13:55
In a matter of years, we're just industrial uh, UH projects here like it's currently. 00:14:00
So. 00:14:06
But you know what's wrong? What's really surprised? 00:14:07
That's how much? 00:14:11
This you know because of the point. You got the money at the point. 00:14:13
And. 00:14:18
People are saying, well, what? What? This is already accurate on our group here, you know? 00:14:20
This. 00:14:26
You know something that's hard. 00:14:27
Take inquiries where I said multiple years away. 00:14:29
You know, a lot of the tenants now are coming down and so you're saying I can start construction next year if if you don't from 00:14:33
that standpoint on this property and there's no prisoner. 00:14:39
Eiffel Tower that might go. 00:14:49
Well, you know, we gotta get our legislators. 00:14:54
INSYNC Annex. It's gonna be as big as dollar carrying the legislature. 00:15:02
You know, I mean, I'm Jo I I joke partly on the status, you know, a little bit. 00:15:07
That that you know the land value in our minds. 00:15:12
Is much more valuable as a lockable community. 00:15:17
As a continuation of our workable communities and a bunch of semi trucks going in and out of warehouse. 00:15:22
And the challenge, the challenge you have is that when you start building the industrial property, then you have to put in. 00:15:31
Industrial type of growth to be able to manage the big truck and do, do everything that's associated with that. So you kind of 00:15:39
kind of decide. 00:15:44
Which? 00:15:49
Do we really wanna be, you know, how it gets within this whole forward environment? 00:15:51
You know. 00:15:56
I just want whatever it's done to really compliment. 00:15:57
What we're doing on the left side. 00:16:02
And I do think there are users. 00:16:05
I. 00:16:08
You know, basically have a have an offer. 00:16:10
A commercial. 00:16:13
So tomorrow, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:16:15
I'm paying that up 20%. 00:16:20
But you know the route. The route never does. 00:16:21
What's the point of what I'm saying is? 00:16:27
Yes. 00:16:30
I think there's a lot of picking Mill Rd. 00:16:31
1012 under score. 00:16:35
You know, I, I even this is just hate talking, but I think that I have $1200 to go over the track. 00:16:37
You know at the end of the process all the way. 00:16:44
Yes, yes, to connect to the North Promenade, we will. 00:16:49
I think I I remember song that would be great but don't don't have looked at that and I think one of the kids. 00:16:54
See. 00:16:59
Just the amount of ramping, yeah. 00:17:01
Yeah, we have to figure that. 00:17:05
Thing you have to figure out, but if you think about it. 00:17:09
You know. 00:17:12
If we're really trying to create walkable communities and we're really trying to create connectivity. 00:17:14
Better than live connection. That was actually a recommendation from our UH from Dave Foster Albuquerque. 00:17:20
We should try to get some sort of across. 00:17:29
Pedestrians. 00:17:33
And we we've had a planning, so over there in three spots. 00:17:36
You know further down that N you know, from that standpoint how do we create a connection? 00:17:43
Over, over, over the tracks. 00:17:49
Can I go under Time Tracks? Is that? 00:17:52
So easy to work with. It's like you could go under an expedited bill over too, right? Well, those are all the those are all the 00:17:57
challenges. Umm you have to you have to deal with the UPS. It's not traditionally. 00:18:05
Really, really excited about going under the track. We don't feel that there are samples where they visit this. 00:18:14
Trail connection under the Geneva Rd. 00:18:23
For the one that is not the next two days, we don't know that. So they always, yeah, you know, you got to put in a little pressure 00:18:27
on them. You got to do a lot of things to try. 00:18:32
To try and start your mayor. 00:18:37
Saying that you know the reality of it is it will take work. 00:18:43
But all I'm saying saying is it's uh, More connected, more connectivity, more pedestrian attachment. 00:18:48
You know, are really, really good and when I take pedestrians where you're on a scooter or you're on a. 00:18:57
If you're on a bicycle, you know, whatever we build would be something that. 00:19:04
With the accessible and that that standpoint. 00:19:08
And we even spoke with the ideas and they just split their something. 00:19:11
Yes, you know they need a class. So forgive me teachers, you know there, but if I. 00:19:17
700,000 user which is a 700%. 00:19:23
But these are bumping out better. 00:19:27
Trying to go to the point, but there's no way it would happen so. So the reality of it is if we show them a master plan where they 00:19:29
put the parking on. 00:19:32
Umm, do you think you side of the track? 00:19:38
Build. 00:19:41
You know, on the side of the track. 00:19:43
You know or you know, having, having a connection, you know everything that I believe is a good idea. You know, you know from that 00:19:49
standpoint. And what we're trying to do right now with our master planner is. 00:19:55
OK, really. 00:20:01
How much of this should be industrial? 00:20:03
Just kidding. Well and so some of the some of this is market driven and so from our standpoint as as much as Town Center as we 00:20:07
can, we can. 00:20:13
Build over on the other side, all the way to the north, all the way South. 00:20:19
The better it is for us, the better it is for the city, better it is for everyone. 00:20:23
You know the the issue is it's an enormous size. Sometimes we lose scale of how big the signings we're talking just this silent 00:20:27
track. 00:20:31
Probably 10 to 15,000,000 square feet of space and for the other side could potentially if it's you know if it ends up being 00:20:36
advanced. The other difficulty is there's more environmental issues on the effect. So we can't do residential if we could do 00:20:41
residential and then I think we can mirror this whole thing but. 00:20:46
Since you can't do that. 00:20:51
You know the real it comes down to you can do commercial office, some retail. 00:20:53
Well, well in in industrial and with office where it is with you know I had a tenant just talk to me the other day during 100,000 00:20:59
feet somewhere else. 00:21:03
We're looking for 50,000 feet, just way better. 00:21:08
For kind of the in and out of the office type usage. So we're we're consolidating the half and so we are seeing a lot of that in 00:21:13
the market. 00:21:17
I think we're all on the same page of wanting the same thing I. 00:21:22
I don't know how far we're going to be able to push this vision. 00:21:26
You know, if I don't want to go on it, is that all it's gonna all have to be this way? And then it's like, wait a minute, you 00:21:30
know, 30 years from now, you know, we're not talking necessarily like that, umm from the feedback, not that necessarily like that 00:21:36
a special purpose zone district that that that we're looking at more higher level because one thing we found with the downtown. 00:21:43
Even these people call here and there and then your child people want to be a little bit of that interest and and kind of looking 00:21:49
at it. So once the desktop plan got put in place, right. I mean, just lit up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't know. I 00:21:55
think having my things that are a lot more practical even, you know, with the job plan, you can build a lot of flexibility and 00:22:00
then apply zoning. 00:22:06
I think on our side, I'm just worried that things are coming in before you're ready, you're going to make some kind of decision 00:22:12
that's gonna. 00:22:15
Uh, camper or something better. Oh, do you even have What's that landowner on the north side? 00:22:19
Marcel. And he's like, hey, I'm ready to go in this building. I'll be a part of Milk Road to us, right? I didn't find it right 00:22:25
here. Yeah. 00:22:30
300 and 400,000, right. And so when we when we're having those conversations. 00:22:35
And we, I think we're more and more of this, the difference you guys have. 00:22:41
Then it's hard to direct this conversation because you're. 00:22:45
You need to see this bigger picture. She doesn't want to do sidewalks. Yeah, they just want to take this place. 00:22:50
Yeah. 00:23:00
Which there is some. Oh, sorry, no. 00:23:01
I was saying that there are some uses some large office users who do have some components of this manufacturing and. 00:23:05
That is one really unique thing about this site that other sites don't have that if you could have both within walking distance or 00:23:12
biking or you know so that you can have your. 00:23:17
In office users here we need to go and look at the facility and so, so there is some, so that's what. 00:23:22
Some of this is just gonna over time, you know, kind. 00:23:29
But I do agree having something with an infrastructure in place and that's kind of what we've seen all over the city, you know 00:23:33
when when we first started down here. 00:23:37
We didn't have this. 00:23:42
Over. 00:23:42
Sewer power, Water, gas. You have to see my dog to find your way up and in there in the English seminar. 00:23:44
We were really, we were really bullish on the fact. 00:23:51
If you put this stuff in, everyone will come because your accessibility to everything else to put all. 00:23:54
All the open space and trails that I ride my bike there every morning, I it's incredible. I mean. 00:24:00
The experience that we have for the South of this project is awesome and I think just. 00:24:05
Facing that denture and rolling that up to the north and then now flipping that over on the other side of the plan, I do agree 00:24:10
that will be beneficial for for all of this. So I think yeah, so I think we just were calling we we need to see something so that 00:24:14
we can. 00:24:19
Care about foreign conversations with these other players are coming in that honestly don't care for us to do something. I 00:24:24
understand we're gonna spend a lot of time. 00:24:28
Yeah, about about them adapting. 00:24:34
A digit, you know on on that side. It's coming up with a real vision that. 00:24:38
I think it's practical. They have a lot of pressure from them today to put their land in service. 00:24:43
And I think they've been thinking how the special things and then some student buildings and maybe some. 00:24:49
Umm, incubator Type of space you know you know from, from that standpoint. 00:24:56
But I do think that they are now experiencing some market flow. 00:25:03
And so I think their business is expanding. 00:25:10
And there's been some communication between US and them about. 00:25:15
Uh, we really just have to work together. 00:25:19
You know, so I just, you know, the opening of this station. 00:25:22
It's time to open a lot of people's eyes, you know, there. 00:25:28
And I saw your modifications in our press release instead of a. 00:25:33
300 acre size and all we want to we want to take the 300 acre size and upside side here. 00:25:37
Because to us, it really is a. 00:25:45
The same time and I think the phrase you do, oh, they're kind of industrial uses, but then. 00:25:48
You know a user comes in and you know they're gonna provide 2000 jobs for him and then industrial situation. 00:25:53
You know to to ask all about people. 00:25:59
It's all about population. 00:26:02
But I we we always hear especially a breakfast, you know that last five years, but we don't have a lot of commercial. 00:26:07
Well, I mean there there are a lot of jobs if you don't realize that part of the city. 00:26:13
But I think if there was a plan in place and umm, you know, if you can do industrial, so a walkable still could feel part of that. 00:26:19
That's why I could have, I guess that we're working on it and helping to to guide it, uh, as opposed to what happened? 00:26:27
Stuff happened. 00:26:36
You know, there's not sidewalks people drive there. 00:26:38
I don't think we're opposed to those manufacturing up to straighten up, especially the university. 00:26:43
Product coming down that that they just don't work. I think you are right. 00:26:49
I think I 100% agree. 00:26:54
Let me just add a Monday. 00:26:56
Have you sent that in here? The biggest worry in New York City is establishing to monitor. 00:26:59
Which we haven't had. 00:27:07
We have to work really hard. 00:27:10
At maintaining our budget given the income. 00:27:12
So I. 00:27:16
I want with this. 00:27:18
I want access. I love that. 00:27:21
Yeah, and. 00:27:26
I have to worry about how I'm gonna pay for the fire department. 00:27:29
Which is extremely expensive. 00:27:32
And a continuing growing lease, which is extremely expensive. 00:27:35
And I am confidently won't support. 00:27:39
So I want all those things. 00:27:43
I wanted to produce income so we can continue to call the results, but. 00:27:47
Mayor, did you have something there? You unmuted yourself? 00:27:54
Yeah, I did. Sorry, I didn't want to lose. 00:27:57
It takes me a second to. 00:28:01
Be available to talk again. That group is new. Umm, something that I did want to say. Did you guys mention the timeline for coming 00:28:04
back as planned from your designers with a couple of months out? Yeah, yeah. 00:28:09
I mean it. 00:28:18
Oh yeah. 00:28:20
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Our timeline is pretty rapid right now for how we want. 00:28:22
Yeah. Can you guys still hear me? 00:28:29
OK. Our timeline is really rapid and so. 00:28:33
You were saying we kind of don't want to double up on planning, but it's the first half. Is it going to be for a couple of months 00:28:36
and we're going to be hitting planning really hard. I wonder how we could synchronize our efforts together as we go through this 00:28:40
process. 00:28:44
That's a good question. That was one of the things I was actually gonna bring up. What I don't think it's helpful for any of us if 00:28:49
we just have them go work on a plan with no input. I think that's what today's meeting will hopefully be. You guys can express 00:28:55
some of your visions etcetera and then we can go back to them and incorporate those now. 00:29:00
And then have another meeting and maybe maybe we can have them pull it forward there, mayor. Umm, but I don't. Yeah, I don't wanna 00:29:06
just do this in the I mean. 00:29:10
We work so well together. In the past, most cities we would never do this with because it's just like, uh, how about we bring you 00:29:16
our vision and then? 00:29:20
But that dinner's always been different. It's just been very collaborative and we've worked together here probably always get 00:29:24
exactly what we want. But. 00:29:28
The end result has always been really, really good and and I think. 00:29:33
I think that'll be the same thing that happens here. So and and there's still that you understand when we say a couple months out 00:29:38
we're gonna be getting draft. 00:29:42
Umm, what? We've tried to get our direction. 00:29:47
Here in a few weeks, we're going to be getting drafts of us. But you know, every time I get that I call an architect, I go, Oh 00:29:50
yeah, this is really, this is a great idea. 00:29:54
This is not a great idea. 00:29:59
Our here is to show you something that come back when it comes back a week later and say Oh yeah, that's just one, so we did 00:30:03
something else. 00:30:06
No, that that you don't. That's a couple of months. Yeah. No, I love that, I think. 00:30:10
No, I love what I love what you're saying, but I think my concern. 00:30:16
Stomach fluoride. The patient. I'm. I'm still here. I can. There you are. You're back. 00:30:25
Umm, OK. So I I agree. And the idea of having you try out this week is coordinate something where we're planning together because 00:30:32
the timeline that we're in for planning, I think. 00:30:38
Probably four months in total that we're gonna do rapid planning umm of this area. 00:30:43
And so after seeing draft, I think you need to kind of do a. 00:30:48
Umm plan like we said last time with the downtown that might that might be helpful for our process and I don't know if that's too 00:30:54
much for you guys, but I just wouldn't want to plan outside of planning together since like you said we've done so well planning 00:30:58
together in the past. 00:31:03
No, we're kinda like we're kinda like the city. We don't have anything else going on. 00:31:08
I mean because well today that would be a priority for us. We would love we we would be happy to work with you and collaborate 00:31:18
with you on content that includes you in this process. That's not that's not our. 00:31:24
That's not our concern. It is probably a little hard to have a public meeting every time we speak with you. 00:31:31
So I'm not trying to say exclude people, but you know, it would be nice if we could just for quicker, maybe we need some people 00:31:37
individually as we're going right? 00:31:43
From from that, that's the complaint. 00:31:49
And also maybe in between have a have a public meeting so that there is some. 00:31:52
To make people aware, because we can't. We can't have every time we talk about anything. 00:31:57
They don't want to do this big long process of notice when you give you imagery of what we're trying to create and all of a sudden 00:32:02
that I think it helps take the picture of the direction that we're trying trying to go so that we can give you imagery. 00:32:09
From around the country or world that that's the space that we're trying to create and that's in this in this space to help give 00:32:16
you. 00:32:19
A little bit of vision when you're looking at. 00:32:23
Various properties within within the city and uh you know that's kind of our hope of you to use too is we want we want to give 00:32:27
them some vision. 00:32:31
So that they understand that this property is really, really important and understand how. 00:32:37
How it really should be. 00:32:44
For their benefit? For their students benefit. 00:32:48
You know, it's the tenants that we wanna put in this property and in the city. 00:32:51
Are places where UVU students can get jobs where they? 00:32:55
Work and want to live and see, you know, be a part of this community. 00:32:59
And you know, I think we have a really unique opportunity. 00:33:05
To create some collaboration with them. 00:33:09
Hopefully we can accomplish you know we we still for long term relationship with you and I do think that we can help. 00:33:13
Don't direct them and that's that's process as well. 00:33:21
This would be really a beneficial, uh, situation. 00:33:25
So I I think I I I don't know. I'm I'm all for. 00:33:28
Including the city in this collaboration and working with our. 00:33:34
There are people in this regard. 00:33:37
You know where we're reacting is we're getting. 00:33:40
Inquiries by tenants. 00:33:43
Let's say you know can I make this my Utah cancel, Can I can I create? 00:33:47
A space here that will. 00:33:53
You know like this like I have in California. You know like I have like I have in Chicago if you know if they're. 00:33:56
That kind of those are the kind of humor we're getting now and we're usually telling them has to be a little bit better than what, 00:34:04
you know, California, a little bit better than when you have. 00:34:09
Yeah. 00:34:15
Who does it? Yeah, yeah. 00:34:20
Yeah, yeah. 00:34:25
Yeah, yeah. 00:34:29
Hey, hey, yeah, yeah. I want the master track. No, no, no, no, no. 00:34:34
He's talking about a lot of *******. 00:34:45
I'm going to Mexico. 00:34:49
Yeah, and I'd love to ask for your check here. 00:34:52
Yeah. So just a a question for the counselor today. I know the direction of the higher consultants, Umm, but then? 00:34:54
The property owners have a result and they're wanting to work with you at a higher level. Then is there a new need? I don't think 00:35:02
so. It depends on how good they are. I guess they're consulting. No are. 00:35:08
They they may not want to commit. 00:35:17
There again, I say we still make the application for the stationary plan. 00:35:20
OK. 00:35:25
So what? What if they just set up like every other week? 00:35:26
Where you can. 00:35:31
Just kind of get that effect based. 00:35:33
Yeah, it doesn't have to be long. 00:35:36
But, and I don't know if you know that those meetings are three days, so that's what. 00:35:38
You have three. We have 31223. Can I ask you? Yeah, so. 00:35:43
You could either have that on a rotating basis. 00:35:49
With council members or and like they said, I think occasionally you still wanna have a notification. So just we're taking 00:35:52
everything public and open. 00:35:58
And then we just do that with your normal meetings where we have a portion of that because it's not gonna be hours. I don't think 00:36:07
you know, more like here's kinda where we're at, here's the direction we're having. Yeah, there there, there are a couple of 00:36:13
things. So if if it's not like that that you can talk to, uh, something to do that. 00:36:19
Like obviously that's there and it's kind of in the past. Is there something really great for my recreation standpoint or uh if 00:36:25
you can put towards the commercial use? 00:36:29
Umm, you know, and it's been something that. 00:36:35
We're working on that too. 00:36:37
Certainly part of the market. 00:36:45
So there's there's parts of these diet and and uh, the the parts that we know, right? But there's parts that you guys don't take 00:36:47
longer than. 00:36:50
Yeah, we'll figure out if we move one of them, just because it's geometric considerations, like there's certain things we can't 00:36:54
understand. Irrigate. 00:36:58
You can't. See below this. You can't put in your. 00:37:02
The. 00:37:08
So. 00:37:08
But, but there are uses that still fit and we're trying to figure out. 00:37:10
What's the best thing you can put up there that we can still do? And that's obviously we still have to get that approach ID, so 00:37:14
that process is gonna be a while. 00:37:18
You know, there's a greenhouse gonna take a while to figure out. We we've already kicked off the geotextile investigation. 00:37:23
Type of degree files at Gary's running and. 00:37:30
You know, we're trying to, we're trying to figure out. 00:37:33
How much is that or even surcharge? Because after it's been there for, you know, 20 years. 00:37:35
And did you technically stable down at a certain desk and digitally? 00:37:41
Uh. 00:37:47
Does that mean that you can see that general property? 00:37:48
Yeah. 00:37:52
We'll see. I mean, ideally most of the time, most of the time. 00:37:53
Umm, so, so the the state that the shopping carts and telephone calls. 00:37:58
And do those other areas, it's trimmed out. 00:38:04
Yeah. 00:38:09
Yeah, yeah. 00:38:10
You know, you know what we we got, we're in COVID sometimes we could accept this and I'm not even. 00:38:13
So we we try to help them out. I guess they came out with one log that they came out of the system. 00:38:21
Umm, go ahead. 00:38:29
And we're like, whoa, uh, no more. 00:38:31
Yeah, yeah. The the other thing is the idea of innovation. Umm. 00:38:39
Yeah. I'm sorry if if it's all done to have the expertise system, we'll get to that. Kind of what how that takes. Mm-hmm. We're 00:38:44
gonna. Yeah. With that, we're gonna get EVU involved and have discussions with them on how this all kind of ties together. I don't 00:38:51
remember that. That's kind of part of this process here. Yeah. I really think it's really important. 00:38:57
Community as a whole. And so we have to be careful that we don't put a ugly pressure building right. 00:39:04
I'm not saying you know the cash flow is a great asset, but you know the reality of it is. 00:39:10
So you know the university of our research product. 00:39:19
Yeah, we have a lot of billing with our research park and and. 00:39:22
One of the reasons why it's really popular is because of it, you know, kind of use and all the various aspects of that, so. 00:39:26
When we're coming up with a master plan at the UPU side and of our side of the site, we wanna make sure that we preserve. 00:39:34
A lot of those types of opportunities, so if you have the appropriate space. 00:39:42
You know, when I hear somebody say, oh, no sidewalk, well. 00:39:46
I guess why you wanna do that with big trucks are going in and out of these these pro properties? 00:39:50
Having pedestrians there can be problematic in those in those situations on the other side of the point. 00:39:56
Yeah, if you're gonna have an Innovation Center, you're gonna have some large employers in here. 00:40:02
I think you need to have. 00:40:07
Uh, these packets spaces to make it better and make it make it something that's recently positive. 00:40:09
I mean, you know, it's taking me a long time to transport our position to realize. 00:40:18
Apartments really think that if if, if you know that there. 00:40:23
And, you know, trails are. 00:40:28
You know, transportation networks for the future, you know from that standpoint. 00:40:31
You know, anytime I see a trail or see something somewhere else, that's really cool. You know, we're gonna start bringing you. 00:40:37
Those ideas. So the thing here is to come up and. 00:40:45
Then then then the state or in the region you know if if you know like in the region I. 00:40:48
Colorado, California. Everything you know, you know. 00:40:55
That's our dream. Our dream is that this whole area. 00:41:00
Does interconnect at least become kind of an ideal person? 00:41:04
And I really do you think we can create that, uh, you know, here, I think that. 00:41:09
Our goal with our master plan is. 00:41:14
But you know, from an Innovation side, you haven't crossed the Innovation player into that dish yet. 00:41:17
I think the group we've hired has done a lot. 00:41:23
Uh, transformation of industrial places they did. 00:41:27
UH watch project down in Austin field icon property. 00:41:32
That build over 98 square feet there. 00:41:37
Taking the old industrial. 00:41:39
Network and now creating kind of a new channel in Austin in that in that place and. 00:41:42
You know, these are the kind of things that we. 00:41:48
You be used to consider that they're laying out their. 00:41:52
You know side of the side of the property because. 00:41:56
And there's a lot of tax from them that they come from, from that. 00:41:59
Yeah, yeah, it's all about 5. 00:42:03
I just I just done. 00:42:06
The more bodies we put here, the more retail sales are gonna. 00:42:08
You know, the higher wages are gonna be, the higher the property values are gonna be, which will increase the property taxes. 00:42:12
And all these kind of things increase the sales tax and it just makes it all more viable and the quality of the tenants that we 00:42:20
bring in will be. 00:42:25
You know. 00:42:30
Yeah, you know. 00:42:32
I think, I think we're just scratching the surface here. 00:42:33
And I think working together. 00:42:37
And they are all for accelerating as fast as the Tampa accelerated. 00:42:39
But. 00:42:44
And I wanna work together to help accomplish that. 00:42:45
So let me make sure to. 00:42:49
Somebody, some of the border group and maybe not so, and some of them give you at the very least to our work section that doesn't 00:42:51
happen. 00:42:56
So that they. 00:43:00
See what's going on Question. I don't think that would be beneficial. The the hard thing about that is, is, is that. 00:43:03
And that's why I was kind of. 00:43:12
I can't really talk about it. Or a lot. A lot of a lot of business, A lot of business ideas, A lot of business ideas, right. I 00:43:15
don't necessarily wanna share. 00:43:20
Yeah, sure. That's what I needed. Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll talk to you then. He's just saying we'll get into. 00:43:25
Nervous about I get nervous about Nate, you know, You know and everything. 00:43:37
A lot. 00:43:45
Very cute dispirit. So I'm going to go all gas, no grass. 00:43:48
You know that's the challenge that and I do think it's important that that you include all the property. 00:43:55
My hope is that you. 00:44:02
Your presentation as well inspire the other groups to stay outside that they're doing which. 00:44:04
They won't run it. That's, you know, it it everything we do, everybody's property value. People don't realize that the whole night 00:44:10
it will go up, everything will go up. 00:44:15
You know, so when you raise your, when you raise your legs. 00:44:21
Sometimes that works. So we we, when we talk specifically about getting a meeting, yeah. And just saying like. 00:44:27
Here's the way that we're mastering this. And the theory is that in our mind he underbuilt right. Because it's just the more 00:44:36
hanging through and so you could do it. And so we we we're, we can't much. So we. 00:44:44
There are there are unique environment. 00:44:53
I think where the lawyers are so important, they're such a major state and Geneva Rd. 00:44:57
That's an opportunity there. Yeah. I mean, I think. 00:45:07
And no. 00:45:13
Yeah, and that that was after. 00:45:18
But, but but you know, I think you're and. 00:45:27
Feeling about involving other property owners this morning? 00:45:30
Yeah. 00:45:35
And and like me don't remember, yeah, but he he was trying to say. 00:45:36
There are some really unique environmental challenges here. We're looking at the work around that. That will be on the planning 00:45:41
side and also on the development timing standpoint. 00:45:44
So, umm, you know, just know. 00:45:49
We're, we're making. 00:45:51
That's the plan, is aware of those things. 00:45:54
Unfortunately, we lost that for two months. Good. 00:45:58
You get that soccer. Oh, they don't know. 00:46:07
I'm wearing it so. 00:46:13
These people are throwing a beard. 00:46:22
Yeah. 00:46:26
I'd rather see. 00:46:29
Yeah, that's good. So anyway, uh. 00:46:31
Just just know that as we're going through the conversation there is gonna. 00:46:35
Some discussion about what environmental impacts were, what mediation took place and the timing of distance, but it will it will 00:46:39
have an effect on. 00:46:44
You got that interest in multi map environment because I know UH residential right now is not allowed. 00:46:52
Alleviating the master plan showing they're showing on the South side. Uh, adding a lot of people out there. 00:47:00
But you know, it's pretty good. 00:47:06
You know. 00:47:09
Yeah. 00:47:16
Yeah, I think we would, Yeah. 00:47:18
Just to make it, you know, people that don't want to start by, they're not going to do the whole thing, but that's that could be. 00:47:22
Yeah, so, we so. 00:47:32
We've talked about some period. 00:47:33
What the possibilities are? 00:47:36
We'll be, Yeah, we'll be. It would probably be. 00:47:38
Some, some additional deviation and maybe some even building systems type stuff that people building on top of parking structures 00:47:44
etcetera. 00:47:49
And we've done, we've done sites in other cities. 00:47:53
When we created a barrier. 00:47:58
The base of barrier upside. 00:48:00
And it's usually we've developed you know, on those sides when we've got that so that we can put housing on top of the side where 00:48:03
you create that paper barrier. 00:48:08
It still appears and. 00:48:14
You know, challenges is. 00:48:16
From that standpoint, you know The funny thing about it is. 00:48:19
Since we talked about this part property being really contaminated. 00:48:24
The contamination is so much. 00:48:29
A lot of other steps that we get developed and you know the thing about housing is somebody who have plant potatoes. 00:48:33
They're gonna get sick because they need to pay the directions. Something like that, you know, and and and so you ain't. Yeah 00:48:40
ain't. Uh, you ain't. 00:48:46
Even create that potential. 00:48:52
Impression in the future because. 00:48:55
Maybe you don't want to create. 00:48:58
So those are the kind of the. 00:49:01
Yeah, we need. 00:49:04
Make sure that even if we do have. 00:49:06
And we run the risk of creating a problem. 00:49:09
No, you're right. We've already run into that with some of those things. 00:49:14
Things that we discussed on the north side. 00:49:17
Yeah, yeah. And I and I think working would be too closely on that. 00:49:20
You guys know we've been overly caught. We've gone above and beyond where we're putting residential versus what they're telling, 00:49:27
like EQ said we could do. 00:49:30
What we were doing before with the LRA material on that side, we said no. It's just it's tough to say. Everything is clean except 00:49:35
under the road there's some material that has some oil in it. It's just no, just scrape it all off, clean it all off, sample when 00:49:40
the heck out of it and get it all signed off. So when someone found the resident comes, you can say this is been 100% cleaned up, 00:49:46
100% sampled in each. 00:49:51
Has no restrictions, looks like that's a much different discussion than saying well you know except for so but yeah we're we're 00:49:57
we're exploring those those options and some of those things might just be you just build right on top of your parking structure 00:50:03
so that there isn't the issue of some of that because there there is a vapor barrier requirement on that side and you can only do 00:50:09
commercial industrial uses so. 00:50:15
Which does limit some of the things that you can do because. 00:50:21
Having a proximity to the residential on the other side of the track solves that issue because you can just walk right across. And 00:50:25
that's one of the reasons why we're pushing for more of those because then maybe some of the more office tenant users can go on 00:50:30
the east side of the track. But you're still sharing parking with those residential users that are right on the other side of the 00:50:35
track and how far that bleed is. 00:50:39
You know one of the obvious things that, well, when you go to. 00:50:46
Have the students be here with all the promotions. 00:50:52
You, you, you know, you know from that standpoint it's really that further that much for the way. 00:50:55
We'll put the laboratory over there. We'll buy a medical lab right over there or some, something to that effect. I mean those are 00:51:00
the kind of discussions that we need to have with you. 00:51:05
You know, it's definitely coming over here, and you can do other things with this other side. That's just fine. Yeah, we just 00:51:12
gotta work together. Yeah, we just have to work together. 00:51:17
And they've been awesome to work with. 00:51:23
They bought this a long time ago and everyone's kind of like, why aren't you doing anything? But it's not in reality. 00:51:27
They're still. 00:51:32
You know, they've been kind of by themselves and as you look at some of this with all the concrete that's over there, it's kind of 00:51:34
like a war zone with nothing else. 00:51:37
So when they started seeing our plans for the other side, I think that that changed their. 00:51:41
Now when they start seeing. 00:51:45
We're actually building now. That's also said, oh wait a second, this isn't just yeah, they're actually gonna actually build what 00:51:47
they said they were gonna build. 00:51:51
And so that might Elev. 00:51:56
What they're planning on doing and then I think once tenants start to come, it's been tough forever for everyone to catch the 00:51:58
vision of India. But once it gets built. 00:52:01
Very very easy. 00:52:06
And the council has been really good over the history of the year, past that vision before it's built and we intend to do that 00:52:08
here, but. 00:52:11
Some of these tenants is harder, but now the roads are in, the train stations open and it's like, Oh my gosh, the mountains. The 00:52:15
view is incredible. The trail goes right underneath here and have have all these 20,000 residents that can live in all different 00:52:19
classes of housing. 00:52:23
There's no other project has this and. 00:52:28
So we may actually change the press release because the mayor. 00:52:33
Say maybe we ought to put 1200 acres, so that included the space to the ground that we've already built, because that really is. 00:52:36
All all about housing is connected to this. You know, we built 20,000, There's 20,000 residents. 00:52:43
Say it's a. 00:52:50
Yeah, we're already, we're already 400 acres. This is the next phase of the project. What's your point? I think that was a really 00:52:52
good insight that we had to follow and we've been planning this all along. 00:52:57
But but here I think that you're right, we need to do it quickly. 00:53:03
And there are opportunities that are forcing us to move quickly and I think we can communicate and. 00:53:08
Closely together with that. 00:53:14
The other thing about Ubu is that I feel kinda fortunate with this. 00:53:16
You know the president. You could use a business person. 00:53:21
There and. 00:53:25
And whereas in the past, you know, academic part has to be really ideal in this, in this environment. 00:53:27
I think that that there's a lot of things that we can do for you to. 00:53:35
That will help you get more revenue and get more programs and get more. 00:53:40
Opportunity, opportunity and. 00:53:46
You know those discussions are starting to take place and you maybe have some of those there and that that that that has to 00:53:49
happen. 00:53:52
So it's something we can take advantage of a lot of those opportunities. 00:53:57
No, I agree with you. 00:54:01
I'm right on work? 00:54:03
OK. 00:54:05
So I have umm, how do we want to coordinate with you? 00:54:07
Do do we just talk to you guys? 00:54:11
Yeah, you can do that. Umm, so I can get kind of your your opinions on how how often you want me, Umm, I think a biweekly meeting 00:54:14
would be great. And then we have maybe like a bimonthly public meeting, Umm like a Joint Planning Commission council meeting, Umm. 00:54:21
And then as far as using those biasing meetings, we can coordinated. You guys have ideas that you wanna share will bring. 00:54:29
We'll have two council members with those meetings generally. 00:54:38
That'd be great. 00:54:42
I think the only thing that didn't go right with the meeting today. 00:54:45
Two things maybe we can mention that. Any more discussion on the east side? 00:54:58
So West side, umm a couple of things that that we're thinking about and kind of need to talk through a little bit. We don't we 00:55:06
don't necessarily while while you're here while we have well it's just yeah, because I think we're good and it's public. So I 00:55:12
think it's important to just kind of talk through these things. 00:55:17
We've talked to staff and some of you individually, maybe even all of you, about the concern. 00:55:25
But some of these roads and parks being public with home. 00:55:30
Population issues that we've experienced in a lot of. 00:55:35
You know, private, public ownership. 00:55:39
And so we're we're talking, we talked to staff, you know obviously both of us have concerns on both sides of that if it goes all 00:55:41
private and we're maintaining everything versus if it goes all public and we're maintaining it all and we have no ability. 00:55:48
To to kind of keep homeless issues down. 00:55:56
Different types of large rallies on either side of the aisle. 00:56:00
So we're we're talking to attorneys in other places. One of the one of the questions your attorney had, obviously I just wanted to 00:56:04
get this in everyone's mind because it's not a decision that's gonna be made. 00:56:08
You know, straight away we all need to really think through this because we wanna protect the city's ability obviously to use 00:56:14
everything and have the events that you've envisioned doing on the promenade and everywhere. Umm, we we're very supportive of 00:56:18
those, encouraging of those. 00:56:23
We need all that population down there to activate everything. One is just like good things with possibility like. 00:56:28
One of the the biggest deterrents of. 00:56:34
Walking by yourself. 00:56:38
The more people that are around, the safer you feel and you know, so it's just and it's kind of. 00:56:39
CER Circular. Umm, kind of cycle. So anyways, I just wanted to get that in your minds. We need to, we need to think through those 00:56:45
things with transit. 00:56:49
Frontrunner, especially, you know, I don't know if he was telling us within the last few weeks. 00:56:54
A homeless person was on the train station. Did you guys see that? 00:56:59
And the transit police kicked them off. He got off at a station, tried to kick him off, took his Taser, Taser, the guy got off, 00:57:03
ran into UH HOA fitness facility, check the cable and choke somebody and fill them. 00:57:09
So those are the things with transit is incredible and if you thought continue to use transit more often. 00:57:16
Umm, that's gonna be huge for the site, but it does create some unique possibility, because if we're building this incredible 00:57:23
walkable, all these parts, all these paseos that are with savers and they're just incredible. 00:57:29
You know, and then and then we're just gonna be and and and and that's not to be insensitive because we also are doing a lot of 00:57:35
things on the mental health side, you know? 00:57:39
We're not saying. 00:57:44
We're trying to be insensitive, but you can't have a practical reality is people need to feel safe to live and shop and work, or 00:57:46
they're just not going to live, shop or work. 00:57:51
I mean, what's happening in Portland and Seattle right now? 00:57:57
This is a shame. 00:58:01
And and literally, there's no marketability at all for commercial space. 00:58:03
And even, you know, the amount of housing that's current in those cities is. 00:58:09
Down dramatically. 00:58:14
And the places that. 00:58:16
In this type of environment or places where you have the ability to know something, so. 00:58:18
And I just feel like we need to work together. 00:58:24
To put in the past framework you know to be able to to. 00:58:28
Enable. 00:58:33
You know people to say this is private property. 00:58:35
Or this is the same thing there. So what we're talking about, you know, we'll come back to you with something, an example of where 00:58:40
we think it works best. 00:58:43
A year or so it's probably a problem. I close the street and they bought the property for. 00:58:48
From Spotlight city and and the mayor saw it and said well can we do that and the council doesn't do that. 00:58:54
I'm a forget that, you know, if you invite us and create a great space, but all they want to do is make sure. 00:59:00
That protesters, etcetera. 00:59:07
When it generates that space and make it make it a fast phase. 00:59:10
And these are the challenges that. 00:59:14
When you talk about the cost, the point. 00:59:17
Yeah, we wanna keep this space, you know? 00:59:20
Because all of our property around. 00:59:25
Value is dependent upon doing that and so. 00:59:29
Let's work together to come up with the right machine to be able to be able to govern that today so we can protect it for 00:59:33
everybody. 00:59:37
I appreciate that and I know our sheriff has brought up several times. 00:59:43
With myself about some of the things that we need to do before the front understands opens. Yeah. And one of those people we are 00:59:49
Templars, are are coming on. 00:59:54
And umm, that's something. 01:00:02
Expedite. 01:00:05
To be able to get our. 01:00:07
Yeah, yeah. 01:00:14
The Rea, the reality. 01:00:16
The front runner is awesome and and we're all proponents of it, I mean, we've been taking part in the same level to make mass 01:00:17
can't improve and I don't know if you saw the article last year, it'll take 10 more. 01:00:22
But you know if, if, if you. 01:00:30
Free massage transit on the center and you're gonna direct. Just gonna go left, right here. You saw that? 01:00:33
Yeah. 01:00:38
I'm trying to see why you didn't give me the game one three tickets. For now, a big percentage of the ridership is beyond Abd. 01:00:39
But the but the other side of that is you open up the door to the city that has not. 01:00:46
And so, you know, we we just wanna make sure that we're working together to make sure. 01:00:52
That we can. 01:00:56
How? How people want to come through that? 01:00:59
Another thing I think we need to be having discussions is actually the point that we have law enforcement, but it seems like our 01:01:02
public. 01:01:05
Alright. 01:01:10
That's it. 01:01:11
First one. 01:01:13
Umm, we're sorry. Let's say a couple of services. I have like a couple of. 01:01:14
Umm, one of the things that's been really difficult in Portland specifically. 01:01:19
A lot of that. 01:01:25
A lot of the homeless population was. 01:01:26
Recently for a lot of years, but then allowing. 01:01:28
Since. 01:01:31
Do a lot of Justin making around me and then the city not. 01:01:32
Proactively controlling that situation. 01:01:37
All right, and we're starting to work. 01:01:41
Correct. And so I think our products work, we need to. 01:01:43
Setting precedence to what that's going to look like, because as soon as you start going on that path, it's really hard to refer, 01:01:48
umm. And so if you can just have. 01:01:53
Really tight. 01:01:57
Sorry, apologize and do anything like that point if if there's private ownership? 01:01:59
Even if it's a part of the public. 01:02:05
We're we're able to to police in a way that that publicity cannot depend on. 01:02:08
And I think, you know, Jam, Jamie is concerned. 01:02:15
Well, well, we need to make sure that we're not restricting the city's use of the property as well and I think we can like like to 01:02:19
understand, come up with a framework. 01:02:23
Again, we're putting all of them used to launch for those patients. 01:02:28
Allow uh a better a better maintenance. 01:02:33
But not not just the city can do. 01:02:39
You know, practically, but. 01:02:42
Yeah. 01:02:45
But at first time just building up one by well if we can control it that's the that's the challenge is is is control the one law 01:02:49
of creating. 01:02:55
And I understand really candid about it and one follow up creating a little network in your city is is being able to answer so. 01:03:03
So most of a very. 01:03:15
Challenging. 01:03:19
And of health type of homeless person sets up in one of those towns so. 01:03:20
You know that that, you know people don't kind of place that and and uh, it does inhibit. 01:03:26
So we we built the road under 13 S sugar house when we. 01:03:35
You know the this stuff is considered, uh. 01:03:41
We worked with the pilot trails and trails in order to create. 01:03:44
You know, there's a ton of walking around. 01:03:48
Hired all different types of designers, some to go over, some to. 01:03:51
And they show up the the trails group shows. So like that they have a a life well, so halfway under there's a life, uh, guarantee. 01:03:56
On the surface, that's actually pretty nice. 01:04:02
That you know for. 01:04:09
Two years instead of. 01:04:11
The homeless people living. 01:04:14
That low. 01:04:17
And I asked people, well, why don't you? 01:04:18
Oh, why are you going over the street? And then go where we go on stay under the road, you know, and and that. 01:04:21
Yeah. So one of the reasons why I think it's really important that we come up with a network to do this is. 01:04:28
You know, we wanna be able to say to someone, well, let's try the property, we have to deactivate the stress. 01:04:34
And we have done, we will have. 01:04:40
And normally a homeless person wants to go somewhere. 01:04:43
And and so the constant policing number red. 01:04:48
And I think that's kind of our our. 01:04:54
Our goal and our process. 01:04:56
I'm making it sound bigger than it is. OK, yeah, You know, it's here and I don't want to make it. 01:04:58
OK. 01:05:04
Since we've gone up and and you know from that standpoint, I just think it's not to come up with the. 01:05:06
Regime of public private use opportunity so that. 01:05:13
Planner and have fireworks and see whether things whenever celebrations. The city wants to use all of that space. 01:05:18
Oh, I can't. 01:05:27
To be able to be able to do that, do that. 01:05:28
And so we want to encourage that. 01:05:31
We just want the ability to be able to. 01:05:33
And avoid some of the cost. 01:05:37
Public speech, you know that that occurs by certain conditions. 01:05:41
And that's that's that's the general actually from the same side that. 01:05:46
I mean, fine, I I've lived in the Ave. 01:05:56
Umm, and you have that section of the industry that sounds like? 01:06:01
You know, umm or something like that. And then they were ****** out. 01:06:08
That created a massive process. 01:06:13
Yeah, The private, the private, the privatization of that state. 01:06:19
And and and unfortunately created that public uh library and I I was right in the middle of this process. Kind of background. 01:06:24
And so we we have to be really careful about about kind of how. 01:06:34
That our business is regulated. It's not if it's not public, the clinic, the political. 01:06:38
It's something that's OK. And so I agree with you that you don't want to be. 01:06:45
Are any of those types of things? 01:06:51
All right. Yeah. Is to have more people here. 01:06:54
And I don't care. 01:06:57
You know. 01:06:59
Yeah. 01:07:00
Front Range three, you know that's you know I don't care anything about that that type of issue. 01:07:02
Because our goal is to have more people in our restaurants and more people that are customers and every. 01:07:08
In our spinners, right? We want more people to enjoy the less people. 01:07:14
I just wanted to listen to all the place in the hospital. 01:07:20
Uh, you know this situation and that that that's the challenge that I want. 01:07:24
Alright, yeah, yeah. 01:07:30
Umm. 01:07:33
Yeah, yeah. And and and I think today, so today is in a day to really, I mean this this is helpful. I just think we just wanna 01:07:35
plant this in your mind. 01:07:39
We have to work together. It's gonna be a quasi something rather. On how whether it's, you know, one of the things. Well, I don't. 01:07:44
I don't even get into some of the ideas we're having since then it'll open up another oh, I just wanted to bring this up so that 01:07:49
this wasn't like, Oh my head because this is definitely something we all need to think about. And the world is becoming more 01:07:54
divided, not less. 01:07:59
Some of these issues are going to probably become, you know, where we look at it now today and say, well, we're in fact telling 01:08:04
you business we don't have any problem. 01:08:08
But as as the world continues to change, these problems are becoming worse everywhere, and they're becoming issues that they that 01:08:12
you didn't have elsewhere so. 01:08:16
So anyways, I just that was the one item and I had two items like that and I don't even oh. 01:08:21
Umm, uh, no, We don't need to get in there. So very beautiful. Oh yeah, I just have one item. 01:08:28
Second item is Thank you all so much. Thanks for who you are and what you do and. 01:08:35
Building such a great city with us over the last, you know, decade or so and. 01:08:39
We're really, really excited about what we're doing here. 01:08:44
Some we're all going to be proud of for generations so. 01:08:48
OK. 01:08:53
With that, umm. 01:08:55
You didn't necessarily need it for the program, but can we get a most known? 01:08:57
Hello. 01:09:03
OK. OK. All in favor. 01:09:06
Yeah, we're done. Thank you. 01:09:09
I see. 01:09:14
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