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We'll get right into things with Chris giving us. 00:00:03
Pledging the prayer. 00:00:08
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:14
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:21
Our Father in Heaven, we are very grateful to be G. 00:00:33
Together here tonight as a Commission and with the public and the residents of the city. Please bless us tonight as we do the. 00:00:37
The work of the public plus us as we have this workshop, plus us, that we can have meaningful and impactful discussions and that 00:00:45
we can be guided. And as we work toward strengthening our community and we say things in Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Awesome. Thank 00:00:52
you so much. All right. We'll move right into a work session. Just so you guys know, this is a special meeting. So we don't have 00:00:59
the normal public comment that we do in a normal Planning Commission meeting. This is just a special session and. 00:01:06
The things that we're doing here tonight are just work session things, which means that no, nothing officials taking place, we're 00:01:13
not voting on anything. We're just. 00:01:17
Kind of trying to hash out some of these things before we have the public hearing that will happen. 00:01:21
Next week, I believe it. 00:01:26
I will allow for some comments just so that we can try to catch some stuff and. 00:01:29
So that when we come to the public hearing, we are ready for it. That way we can move things forward with the developer and we 00:01:34
can. 00:01:38
Have things hashed out that need to get hashed out at the public hearing and they have some time to do those things. So that being 00:01:43
said, we'll move right into the work session. 00:01:48
2.1 Zoning Text Amendment Medical and commercial Uses. 00:01:54
Great. Thank you, Chair. And members of the Planning Commission, thank you for coming. Yep. So we have this up right now. So we do 00:02:00
have some uses that need to be considered for our our code. These are more specifically. 00:02:08
Medical and hospital type uses. 00:02:17
We have the Huntsman Cancer Institute that is coming to the city. 00:02:20
Currently under the code we have Commercial, which is just a really broad category. 00:02:25
And it could kind of fit under that. We felt that would be important just to have the actual use clarified. 00:02:31
And so this is the the table you have like the full table as part of your your staff report. 00:02:38
So this is showing for the downtown under the downtown station for hospital it would be not permitted. 00:02:45
In the downtown mixed-use, that's the blue that would be a permitted use under the village. 00:02:52
General that's the purple district to the north. That would be a permitted. 00:02:58
And then the lakefront residential. There's no commercial uses allowed there, but the lakefront? 00:03:02
Commercial, that's the kind of that orange. 00:03:09
Part right adjacent to the. 00:03:12
That that wouldn't be permitted but underneath that the medical uses it would be permitted under that typically you're just the 00:03:15
the General Medical uses are going to have less of an impact than like a like a larger hospital. So that would be anything from 00:03:20
medical office to. 00:03:26
To your medical clinics. 00:03:33
And then with Utah Valley University being a play having like the research component. 00:03:35
And and in the University of Utah is also a partner with with the Huntsman Cancer Institute. So that would allow those under the 00:03:43
downtown station, the downtown mixed-use and the village general not permitted in the residential area, but in the lakefront 00:03:49
commercial. 00:03:55
Can you go to the next slide? 00:04:02
This is the standard. 00:04:06
Zoning district matrix. So these are this is pulled out of that. The full matrix is in the staff report. 00:04:09
So these are a lot of medical uses and different type of commercial uses that would that could fit into those districts. 00:04:14
And so the idea was to similarly clarify um. 00:04:22
As you know kind of the east side, the idea is to is to do a lot of medical and have it primarily an employment center with the 00:04:27
the university being right there. The plan is to have kind of academia married with the with the employment uses that'll be there 00:04:34
with the, you know, especially the the medical uses. 00:04:41
And so you can kind of see through the list we have clinical support housing that's housing that would be catering to people who 00:04:49
are you know within the hospital or employees that are are living. 00:04:55
On site or students that that are on site as part of like a hospital or an academia type setting. 00:05:02
And so that would be permitted in both the RC and the FOI. 00:05:09
Then we have the commercial indoor permitted for the RC permitted for the FOI. 00:05:14
The. 00:05:20
Commercial out the recreational outdoor uses. 00:05:22
That's a conditional use in both those conditional use just for clarification what that is. 00:05:25
In Utah, basically financial use is a permitted use with standards that you can attach to it. And so if you see things that would 00:05:31
provide some sort of a negative impact that allows the Planning Commission utilizing the code is kind of the guidance to provide 00:05:38
conditions that would help mitigate impacts. 00:05:45
We do have golf course use that was shown as a conditional use in both those districts. 00:05:52
On that east side, there is a lot of of concrete work and I think many of the commissioners have gone out and done kind of tours 00:05:58
of the site there and had just reviewed this area quite a bit. As you know from the Geneva steel days, there was a lot of concrete 00:06:05
structures that were built. It was, I mean really it was built to be almost kind of like a base to withstand. 00:06:13
An attack if needed. That's one reason to bring an inland. The plant was retooled to general steel manufacturing, but there's a 00:06:21
lot of concrete structures under there. I think there's even a story of trying to remove one of those. They use dynamite and all 00:06:27
it did was lift up the structure and then dropped it right back down and maybe knocked a couple of rocks off, but very, very 00:06:33
intense, thick concrete and so that that would provide kind of a a surface level use. 00:06:39
Nursing Homes, Convalescent Care, Permit and Permitted. 00:07:20
Then office is being permitted pharmacy. 00:07:24
Warehouse club is permitted in the RC. RC is a regional commercial use. So that seems like a use that would fit well there. 00:07:28
Assembly place of. I mean really that's just kind of a fancy way of saying churches, movie theaters, it's for having like some 00:07:33
sort of. 00:07:38
Facility where people would would gather together. So under a code typically assembly place of that's the church. So if you want 00:07:44
to know where you can build a church. 00:07:47
Look for the assembly use educational facility Conditional conditional with those being primarily state universities that will go 00:07:51
there. Those are. 00:07:57
State uses that that don't have to actually go through any local approval and so there they can come in. But if there was like a 00:08:02
private educational facility that would pair well with you know with with with what's going on down there or up in that area, then 00:08:08
that that gives the opportunity if there's like a private college. 00:08:15
That has some sort of like specific medical training or something like that. 00:08:22
Emergency care facility as a permitted use. 00:08:25
Heliport that's that would be for having a medical uses up there so a helicopter can come in. 00:08:28
And then hospitals as conditional use and then just generally accessory building, you're you're allowed to do that really anywhere 00:08:36
at residential you can have obviously people have sheds and detached garages. Accessibility is just kind of the, you know, a 00:08:42
building that is accessory to the primary use of the site. So it's just kind of a general standard, but it would have to be 00:08:48
related to to the use. 00:08:54
That is our our proposal and. 00:09:01
Happy to take any questions from the Commission. 00:09:04
You guys have any questions? 00:09:10
As. 00:09:15
So just to clarify for the public in these areas, in the RCNFOI, residential is not allowed in these areas. 00:09:17
Right. And there is still extensive cleanup that needs to happen in these areas. 00:09:27
With that being said. 00:09:32
These different kinds of facilities. 00:09:35
Even if they were a permitted use. 00:09:39
If. 00:09:42
Ground doesn't meet like certain standards. 00:09:43
Can you clarify, I guess some of that stuff as far as? 00:09:48
Since there can't be residential there, I'm just kind of curious how there could be like a nursing home or? 00:09:51
Or something like, right, sure. So the DEQ and feel free Jamie to jump in on this if you have kind of anymore insight. This my 00:09:57
understanding is any, any permitted uses have to any uses have to be approved. So there's different levels that approved right now 00:10:06
it's under an industrial use approval, but there are areas that because there was a really kind of heavy more contaminated. 00:10:15
Places with within where the Geneva footprint was. 00:10:25
And so those, those have pretty much been mapped. They're always being kind of remapped and studied. 00:10:28
DQ would have to essentially sign off and and on on those types of uses. So if they're not allowed then they wouldn't come 00:10:34
through. So any of that has to go through like the state approval process because of the former use. So this would just be for our 00:10:41
own local process they they wouldn't even come to us. 00:10:48
If that there's not a DEQ sign off, OK. Do you have maybe anything out of that? Yeah, cool. So again, just to clarify, even though 00:10:56
we'd be changing the use to permit it. 00:11:01
That doesn't necessarily mean that they're permitted because they would still have to get approval from, right? Yeah. So they're 00:11:07
permanent under the local law, but they're still, because of the nature of the site being a brownfield, they have to go through a 00:11:10
pretty excessive process, OK. 00:11:14
Do you have any questions, Chris? 00:11:19
Cool. I don't think we have any questions up here. 00:11:22
Is there anybody that had any specific questions or something that you think we may have missed? 00:11:27
All right. If not, we'll move on to item 2.2, Forge development agreement. 00:11:32
OK, Steve. Yeah. Why don't you jump up and I'll do kind of a quick introduction on this. This was the project that was brought 00:11:41
before the Planning Commission and City Council last went to council I believe is the 20th, 22nd of February is the days of my 00:11:47
head. But it was, it was kind of right in there. There were elements that the council and Planning Commission had requested. One 00:11:53
was a a reduction in the residential units proposed. 00:12:00
If you remember it was 1500 units that were that were being proposed. 00:12:06
There was there were concerns about massing and the height of the buildings along the vineyard connector. 00:12:13
Those that, so Steve will show you kind of the alterations of those. So there's a lot more single level. 00:12:21
Like retail that that's being. 00:12:27
And then there were also concerns about. 00:12:30
About the like the overall parking manage. 00:12:34
And and so Steve has been working on kind of more of the longevity of the parking management of the site. And so he can share with 00:12:39
you kind of those those ideas of of how to to do the parking management if there are some specific things with that, those are 00:12:45
elements that could be incorporated into the into the development agreement so. 00:12:52
Yeah, so. 00:12:59
Once that's up, he'll bring you through that update. 00:13:00
Just for the record, I'm Steve Borup, director of development for Dakota Pacific Real Estate. And for those, I don't remember who 00:13:10
I was here, but for those in the public may or may not know, we own 38. 00:13:15
Approximately which is the majority of what is the forge zoning area in in the in the zoning plan today which? 00:13:21
That gateway area of Vineyard Connector in Geneva, so just north of the theater. 00:13:29
I'm excited to. 00:13:35
Like Morgan said. Last time I was here in these. 00:13:37
With many of you was first quarter of 2020? 00:13:40
And after months of presentations and deliberations, ultimately we were given the guidance to. 00:13:44
Go back, make some changes and. 00:13:50
Since. 00:13:53
We have been in collaboration with. 00:13:55
And the Economic Development Subcom. 00:13:59
Had a lot of back and forth and working sessions to find and present this plan that I'm going to present to you tonight. 00:14:03
The process is kind of painful sometimes and long, but we respect it and certainly felt. 00:14:10
Those that we've worked with passion for, you know. 00:14:17
The quality of Vineyard and we as a developer have felt the continued desire to bring something that's high quality that will be 00:14:22
an amenity and. 00:14:26
You know, be iconic again at this gateway, something that everybody is proud of. 00:14:30
Um. 00:14:36
Just really appreciate all the collaboration we've had to. 00:14:37
And look forward to this. 00:14:40
The agenda will look like this. Please stop me. This is a discussion, this is a work session, but these are the agenda items I'm 00:14:43
putting up there, so you know what's coming down the pipe if you have comments around. 00:14:49
Anything in particular on there? 00:14:54
By the way, I do have printouts. If somebody prefers that versus the screen, just raise your hand. I can bring you. 00:14:57
I thought we'd start with the general plan. That's the guiding document for cities and what the development should look like. 00:15:05
And in May 2019, the general plan that I found on the most current on the website. 00:15:12
Shows us in this. 00:15:18
General area. 00:15:21
Which is designated for residential mixed-use. 00:15:22
And again, this was established in 20. 00:15:26
At that time that that general plan has been established, I wasn't with this project. 00:15:28
But. 00:15:33
That others were in Dakota. 00:15:35
There was at the same time the general plan was happening, there was also a negotiation for a specific zoning district for this 00:15:39
area called the forge mixed-use. 00:15:43
Area. 00:15:48
As. 00:15:52
Areas are being developed into this area. I think there was some confusion maybe by some of the members of our team. You could see 00:15:54
these big pockets of residential that were being developed in the very South end. Then you had the yard which is very commercial. 00:15:59
We were proposing and bringing something that was truly mixed-use and was different. 00:16:07
The anticipated program that was truly mixed-use was about 1.2 million square feet of office and commercial and 600 residential 00:16:13
units. 00:16:16
That's what the current entitlement stands as. That's what we're asking. 00:16:20
You know ultimately what we're asking for is some variances and changes, but that is the baseline that absence any kind of an 00:16:25
approval that's the entitlement. 00:16:29
That exist today. 00:16:33
I pointed out partly because the idea was this is a special area, this was to be a micro general plan. Again the guiding document 00:16:37
this is to be a micro urban kind of an area and it is to be mixed-use. 00:16:43
From the first quarter feedback that we got, these were some of the words and feedback that we received. 00:16:51
Morgan mentioned density. There was 1500 residential units. That was a big topic of discussion. You'll see we've reduced that in 00:17:00
our current plan by 25% to 1100 maximum residential units. We heard a lot about active open space, the need for it on this side of 00:17:04
the railroad tracks. 00:17:09
We've generally kept the same ratio of open space we had before. 00:17:14
Retain the highly programmed nature. 00:17:18
The kinds of commercial with a topic of discussion, bringing something that's an amenity for the area, something that's. 00:17:21
Active and. 00:17:28
Wouldn't be a meeting if we don't get through that, so I'll address some of our parking. 00:17:32
Strategies, building height, I think there was some concern about what does it look like and feel like along Vineyard Connector. 00:17:37
What's the building height along Mill Rd. How do we just make sure that scale works and transition zones work and you'll you'll 00:17:42
notice in our current plan we've dealt with that. 00:17:46
Specifically in the first. 00:17:51
And then there was a lot of good feedback about the affordable and mixed affordable housing and some desire for mixed housing. 00:17:54
Different kinds of housing for sale, Townhomes. Something else. 00:17:58
To provide some vari. 00:18:04
Anything else for those that were there that we should be thinking about? 00:18:08
Expressed or heard that isn't represented in what I've just discussed. 00:18:14
I have a question as far as clarity. You mentioned you guys reduced. 00:18:21
The residential units by 25% down to 1100, but I also saw 600 residential units. Yeah, so our phase one is going to have about 600 00:18:25
that we're proposing. So we'll get into kind of the phasing a little bit. 00:18:31
And so there's the overall development agreement is written to allow a maximum of 1100 units, but then we've defined very 00:18:38
specifically how and. 00:18:42
600 of those units will sit and showing you a concept site plan for it. And to clarify, currently as it's zoned they can have 600 00:18:48
residential units. So that's where that 600 was coming from. And then they came up, they had a plan that they came in earlier this 00:18:53
year that was. 00:18:59
That was a 1500 unit plan. 00:19:04
That went through the Planning Commission and got denied by the City Council. Now they're back with adjustments. 00:19:06
The only other thing that was brought up as an issue or a concern was. 00:19:13
Traffic flow of traffic. 00:19:20
Where to get in and out your exits and entrances and stuff like that. Can I clarify a really quick price? And I think under this 00:19:24
the 600 that that was kind of what. 00:19:29
That that was like what was anticipated under the zoning. 00:19:34
So our new approach or revised approach? 00:20:17
Trying to. 00:20:23
Designate certain areas. 00:20:25
The Forge mixed-use Area for certain uses. 00:20:27
So before it was 1500 units, but we didn't didn't designate necessarily where those residential units would be. 00:20:30
And so in this revised approach, we're taking each block, each area, and saying what kind of uses can be allowed in that block or 00:20:36
that area. 00:20:40
And you can see we have an entertainment block A. 00:20:44
Designation, Business Office and then Mixed. 00:20:47
This entertain. 00:20:51
On the quarter, a Vineyard connector and Mill Rd. is meant to have an entertainment anchor. We will show you renderings of this 00:20:55
blue area is phase one, which will show you some more detail and vision on. 00:21:00
But it's meant to be an active area that's going to have this entertainment anchor which will have you know, you know. 00:21:05
Outdoor recreational area or a facility that facil. 00:21:13
Entertainment based. 00:21:16
And then it will likely have other food and beverage and other interesting retail around. 00:21:18
The commercial area anticipate things like hotels, other retail, food and beverage. 00:21:24
Up here in the corner, there was a lot of discussion in the first quarter about being able to provide something. 00:21:30
That. 00:21:35
As a gateway, as you come into Vineyard Connector and there was a desire for some office and so we've carved that out really for 00:21:37
office with some potential retail. 00:21:41
And other kinds of uses more as ancillary to the primary use of Office. 00:21:46
And in the middle in this core, we have what's crying, what's creating the neighborhood feel for this area which is mixed-use 00:21:50
where you'll have ground floor commercial, upper floor residential. 00:21:55
And some interesting streets. 00:22:01
Streetscapes along. 00:22:03
Other things to point out here is these green areas are the publicly accessible open space and. 00:22:07
We're retaining the Central Plaza, which will highlight and show you more renderings. 00:22:12
Umm. 00:22:18
This entertainment. 00:22:18
Anchor is. We'll show you what that could look like as an outdoor amenity. 00:22:21
But one of the things that we. 00:22:26
Was again. 00:22:29
On this side of the railroad tracks, how do you provide more open space that's meaningful? How do you provide an experience for 00:22:30
these? 00:22:33
People that live. 00:22:36
More on the eastern side of the city. 00:22:39
And the future plan is for this railroad to go away and become the Geneva. 00:22:41
And so our vision comprehends. 00:22:45
As an occupant, which this is kind of that piece that sits behind the the. 00:22:48
They'll be able to walk up, have some pocket parks. We're going to donate 3/4 of an acre or so for a pocket park there in that 00:22:52
mixed-use area. 00:22:56
They can. 00:23:01
They can play. There'll be some other kind of amenities along this trail system. 00:23:04
That this E Gateway park we're comprehending and planning for a dog park here where again you could let your dog out running a 00:23:08
kennel play with some other dogs come around Mill Rd. 00:23:12
And kind of complete a loop around this area and have stopping points along the way that are meaningful. 00:23:17
That's five plus acres of publicly open space just to kind of provide that corridor and then you'll see these. 00:23:23
Pockets of larger programmed open space. 00:23:30
We've also retained within that 1100 units, the affordable housing at the same ratio. So it's about 20. I think 21 is what the 00:23:33
development agreement says of 60% AMI affordable units and we'll go into that more. So that's the big picture. 00:23:40
Land use that's being driven by the development. Agree. 00:23:46
I should also mention that this purple is an enhanced pedestrian corridor. There was a lot of discussion in the subcommittees. How 00:23:53
do you bring our development together with the yard so that it feels a little more seamless, draws people in? 00:23:58
You can kind of park in between and have something. 00:24:04
That that draws people into our development if they park here by the theater or if there's comprehended to be a garage. 00:24:07
Here How do people walk up through here? And visually, as you're driving down 650 N you draw the eye. And so these green areas are 00:24:15
meant to be seating areas, some enhanced light landscaping, perhaps an over the street feature, some lighting. 00:24:21
To again give it kind of a. 00:24:28
Walk. 00:24:30
Quick question about open space. Do you know what percent of? 00:24:34
Of this is open. 00:24:38
Open space by code is different than what I'm highlighting in green here. Within each of those developments, there will be 00:24:42
additional considered open space. 00:24:47
That would meet the typical zoning requirement. Open space this. 00:24:51
Set aside specifically for public. 00:24:54
Right, but. 00:24:58
A retail area that could be additional open space within multifamily there could be additional open space, so. 00:25:00
The total developments, 38 acres and again, we're saying 5 is going to be this kind of set of special public open space, but. 00:25:05
But overall, we'll meet. I can't recall what the zoning requires for total open space, but we will. 00:25:13
Generally exceed that with this additional 5 acres. 00:25:19
Of. 00:25:25
Public amenity. 00:25:26
In the agreement it says that we acknowledge part of it is outside the municipal boundary. Is that actually is there part of it 00:25:27
that's outside of Vineyard? Yeah. So we have a long Geneva row that's that's right of way as we as UDOT improves Geneva Rd. the 00:25:35
idea is that we would improve our section of it to to to build a trail corridor when we did the general plan. 00:25:42
That was a pretty important route that was identified by residents was to have a safe trail for like if you know just if they 00:25:49
wanted to commute or just walk right now it's it's kind of a no no no man's land but when they when the expansion occurs then that 00:25:56
would provide us the opportunity to to improve that that right away. 00:26:02
So depending on where. 00:26:11
We would contribute cash in lieu for anything that's not on. 00:26:13
Yeah. So UDOT will do their, their base minimum and then we can do what's called a betterment. And so that that's where we would 00:26:17
utilize those funds to you know to if we needed to add landscaping to make it more attractive to add. 00:26:23
Trailside amenities, those kinds of things. 00:26:29
So this is a rendering of our vision for phase one, which again, I'll just go back real quick. This, this blue shaded area is what 00:26:36
we're comprehending as as phase as phase one. 00:26:40
This is the entertainment. 00:26:48
Here. 00:26:50
So just for orientation, this is mill. 00:26:51
And then vineyard connector runs along this. 00:26:54
This entertainment. 00:26:58
In the middle, we'll highlight more of what this is. 00:26:59
An outdoor active. 00:27:03
And then you'd have surrounding. 00:27:05
Retail food and beverage. 00:27:08
Dining, sit down, dining. We'll talk a little bit more about the kind of food and beverage we're working to attract. 00:27:11
You can see there's entrances from along the major roads. It makes it feel like you're not on the back of buildings. 00:27:19
There's pedestrian access from these roads and some of these routes that we've talked about. 00:27:26
There's a mix of residential that sits back behind the entertainment block. 00:27:32
These could be three story townhomes or. 00:27:38
But we've talked about. 00:27:41
The desire for some. 00:27:42
Type units. This would be a great place to be able to provide that type of use. 00:27:45
It also is lower scale at three story. 00:27:50
Just to be able to kind of. 00:27:53
Over to, you know, a four or five story larger structure that would have a parking garage in the middle of it. That parking garage 00:27:55
will facilitate. 00:27:58
The overall density that you're seeing? 00:28:02
You know, less surface parking and, you know, asphalt everywhere, and there's more vibrant, walkable feel. 00:28:04
For the overall. 00:28:10
As far as the types of users. 00:28:19
Around this entertainment anchor that we're. 00:28:22
We feel like there's a need and an opportunity if we can build something with high character that has enough activity and 00:28:25
vibrancy. 00:28:28
And this kind of neighborhood feel in talking to food and beverage users that are you know mid to maybe higher end food and 00:28:32
beverage users sit down dining type. This is the kind of development that they're interested in coming to. It's different, it's 00:28:37
got character, it's got a sense. 00:28:42
Right. They feel like people will want to come here. There's activity in and around it. 00:28:48
And so this is key to kind of providing that kind of service and opportunity for Vineyard. 00:28:54
Umm. 00:29:00
As well as just this adjacent residential brings just vibrancy activity of the area, it will bring users for these retailers and 00:29:01
together. 00:29:05
This concept becomes viable and works really well to. 00:29:11
The next rendering that I'll. 00:29:16
Focuses in a little bit more on the center part of what we're calling the entertainment. 00:29:19
I'm sorry, I'm going to show you a site plan. 00:29:23
So this is now looking at that same phase. Top down you can see the parking garage sits here. This helps park the entertainment 00:29:26
block. 00:29:29
And then in the center, this is that entertainment anchor where you could have some food and beverage, you could have sports 00:29:35
courts, you could have a yard where the retail association that all belongs to that. 00:29:40
Could hold, you know, music nights they could hold. 00:29:46
You know ********? 00:29:50
Movie nights in the open space, as well as some fire pits. So the idea is that this is a place that people want to come. They'll 00:29:52
come during the day. 00:29:57
They'll bring family and they'll bring friends, they'll hang out, they'll enjoy outdoor environment. 00:30:03
And have a lot of options for food and beverage. 00:30:08
To stay and dine. 00:30:12
I'll also highlight, this is the Central Park that we talked about. We'll show a rendering of. 00:30:15
And. 00:30:20
Mixed-use multifamily. 00:30:20
Being here with, you know, internal amenities and. 00:30:23
To that project and then the the lower story, you know tuck under garages that would sit behind you know some type of a townhome 00:30:26
or three story flat. 00:30:30
Type. 00:30:34
This is the rendering of that central. 00:30:37
You know. 00:30:40
Bring some commercial, some food and beverage cafe. 00:30:42
You know. 00:30:45
Smoothie shop, all that kind of stuff right here. 00:30:50
To the activity center you can see some pickleball courts is something that has been considered. 00:30:53
Fire pits, bike. 00:30:58
Come hang out, have fun. 00:31:01
Enjoy the social. 00:31:03
This is a rendering of that Central Park, so if I'm standing on other side of Cauldron, I'm looking north. 00:31:09
You. 00:31:14
Various heights of buildings, you can see food and beverage flanking on either side. That's one of our agreements in the 00:31:16
development agreement is on the Central Park. 00:31:20
Let's provision for commercial to be able to be there to make this more. 00:31:24
There'll be some kind of play feature as the development agreement is written for kids to be able to climb on and then just some 00:31:29
open areas for people again to be able to get sun and enjoy the outdoors. 00:31:34
Often at this point there's some questions, well, how does, how does this get phased? Like what's the, what's the commitment? 00:31:45
There's some residential, there's some commercial, how do we bring it all together? Development agreement is basically written. 00:31:50
Such that we can start this phase one area that the multifamily in that phase 1A. 00:31:56
But we can't occupy that until the entertainment. 00:32:02
Which is? 00:32:05
Would have also started. 00:32:07
So that entertainment anchor has to come with the Multifam. 00:32:10
And then once that entertainment, entertainment. 00:32:13
Anchor is complete. Then the multifamily in this phase 1B can begin. 00:32:17
And then some of this retail and. 00:32:23
The three story type product would come just throughout those two larger phases. 00:32:27
So. 00:32:32
I'll stop there on the design and the kind of the phasing pause for any questions before we get into some of the more specifics 00:32:33
around parking, affordable housing and traffic. 00:32:37
Do you guys have any? 00:32:45
Yeah. I was just wondering, do you anticipate? 00:32:47
Ret. 00:32:51
Commercial you know business entertainment contracts before. 00:32:54
We are in negotiations with several entertainment anchors. 00:33:02
People like this. 00:33:06
There's a lot of interest. 00:33:08
Obviously those negotiations kind of get stopped when you say, well, does your zoning allow? 00:33:10
And so those entertainment anchors aren't able to proceed and make an announcement that yes, we want to come. 00:33:16
And so we're kind of in a pickle on that. 00:33:24
But yes, there are. 00:33:26
Avenues to be able to deliver. 00:33:28
And entertain. 00:33:32
And. 00:33:33
We're excited to be able to share them. We just need that zoning I think to align us so that they know it's commercially viable. 00:33:35
So I guess more so the question would be is in phase one, how many residential units and would those residential units go in 00:33:42
before any retail or is there any kind of requirement? 00:33:47
To have retail before residential. 00:33:53
Before certificate of occupancy or anything like that? 00:33:57
The requirement as written is that we can't occupy this Phase 1A multifamily building without having built the entertainment 00:34:01
anchor. The entertainment anchor could be a retail user that provides outdoor or an entertainment facility of some sort. 00:34:07
Or it could be more outdoor based. 00:34:14
Park. 00:34:18
With retail adjacent to. 00:34:20
So to answer your question is yes, we have to provide. 00:34:22
Some kind of non residential use before we can occupy. 00:34:26
That Phase 1A building, OK. 00:34:30
Is there a way we could define that further? 00:34:33
Potentially as. 00:34:36
What that is? Because I mean if it's not defined, it could just be like a small playground and a snow cone. Check. 00:34:39
Not saying it will be, I'm just saying it could be unless it's defined, so having some kind of definition for that I think would 00:34:47
be good. 00:34:50
The development, I don't know if you saw the definition of the development agreement. 00:34:54
But it does define it. Do you have concerns with how it's? 00:34:58
Can we bring that? 00:35:03
It's in section 24 basically says it's going to include an outdoor activity area. 00:35:12
Or facility that offers entertainment or recreation as part of the entertainment land use. 00:35:17
So that's what we have to deliver. You can see it's comprehended here as just about an acre. 00:35:22
Of outdoor. 00:35:28
We want this to be sizable. This is the key to the retail around it. It can't be. 00:35:31
It can't be minor because we won't get the leasing around it without some kind of draw to bring people in during the daytime. It's 00:35:35
key to our whole whole strategy. 00:35:41
Just to just to kind of add, if you want a more definition you could put something in there. So there's there's still still some 00:35:47
flexibility as how they kind of Orient the uses, but as. 00:35:51
The entertainment block will be brought in at the same level of amenities as depicted in the the concept plan because this will 00:35:57
then be in the the development agreement and so you show a very highly amenitized thing. So when they come back for a site plan 00:36:03
then that that would be the analysis the Planning Commission would do is you would say OK is this the at the same level you know 00:36:09
and so that it it provides like some some wiggle room but it does allow you as the as the Planning Commission under the site plan 00:36:15
to say. 00:36:21
You know you showed all these elements is very heavily amenitized. So you need to either match that or have something that is is 00:36:28
you know equivalent and and with it being an anchor and everything around it like kind of relying on it. I think having a 00:36:34
definition of it not only protects the city but protects you guys because if you come in for a site plan and the Planning 00:36:40
Commission is like, well you know what, I don't think that this meets what we were envisioning like if there's some wordage that. 00:36:46
Protects you guys even that this meets what we've said. I think that would be beneficial to both parties. 00:36:53
We'll consider. 00:36:59
Based on some of the an. 00:37:02
That we've been negotiating with. It was a little hard to find a global definition that provided the boundaries and so we did 00:37:04
attempt that. 00:37:09
But we also need some flexibility I think in order to accommodate some of these anchors. But appreciate your comment. We will 00:37:15
consider how to shore that up. 00:37:19
Anything else? Yeah, just one more point on clarification. Do you anticipate people living? 00:37:24
At the forge or shopping at the forge. 00:37:30
1st. 00:37:34
Which one will they do? Will people live? 00:37:35
Or are you building the retail part first? 00:37:39
Well, we believe in order to create some critical mass for this type of development, the residential needs to come with the 00:37:45
commercial. 00:37:48
At least conc. 00:37:52
And how that shakes out, I think the market will dictate to some extent. 00:37:54
There is interest for the. 00:38:00
There really is for this kind of commercial. There is market interest. I don't have any concern about bringing it. 00:38:02
Along with the residential, I don't think it will be a challenge for. 00:38:08
On your agenda, did you have a slide specifically to discuss height or? 00:38:14
We didn't discuss height a whole lot there. I mean the development agreement has, we didn't change it from what it was before. 00:38:18
You can. 00:38:25
Well, my specific question. So I'm in exhibit C. 00:38:29
Because currently they can go up to 125 or 140 for anything in the project, correct? So So this has put a limitation in there for. 00:38:33
Blocks A&E to be no more than 75, is that is that correct? Yeah. And then, but then there's nothing presented here. I see that 00:38:42
seems to even go up to. 00:38:47
To that higher height of up to 140. Is that correct? 00:38:52
So you can that's a current vested right, but you're not planning on that. That's right. I think with this block you're 00:38:56
guaranteeing the the retail retail typically unless you're in like a mall is you're not going to get a two-story format. 00:39:03
You may hear and there at the most maybe there's some like offices that that that could sit above retail, but requiring this to be 00:39:11
the kind of the entertainment block where you would have a lot of restaurants, that's kind of the primary use. It's kind of 00:39:16
ensuring that you're going to get like a pretty much A1 story. 00:39:21
Format maybe with a couple twos mixed in and that's block A&E for that 75 foot restriction is, yeah, yeah. So then there were 00:39:28
comments to ask that we restrict the height along Mill Rd. 00:39:34
And you can see we're honoring that plus in our concept. 00:39:40
That was my last question, Mr. Chair. Can I ask a follow up question? And this may be for you and for. 00:39:48
The applicant on the entertainment. 00:39:54
Can I'll be putting together some text edits to send to the developer to. 00:39:57
Get an agreement. 00:40:02
Fits with what you want when it comes forward to the next meeting. 00:40:04
Do you help me understand what your concern or desire is with the entertainment anchor? 00:40:08
And maybe the applicant. 00:40:14
I know you can't name who the anchor is if you haven't negotiated terms or that kind of thing, but. 00:40:17
Maybe you can give us an idea. 00:40:22
The type of thing you're. 00:40:26
What the activity level would be that would come with it? I think this allows. 00:40:28
Entertainment anchor uses that could be commercial in nature or could. 00:40:33
Recreational in nature and Bryce maybe help me understand whether you'd prefer to see. 00:40:37
You know one type of thing or another. 00:40:43
Commercial and from what I understand, commercial anchor is where we're going. 00:40:48
As far as the general plan is concerned, is bringing in commercial amenities for this area. 00:40:53
And. 00:41:00
I don't personally know how to define anchor, but if it's something that is drawing people from a regional. 00:41:02
Way it has to be more than just a park. 00:41:09
And if it's like one of the defining features of this plan? 00:41:13
Like. 00:41:18
I think. 00:41:19
Really important that it. 00:41:20
An anchor, No. OK, that's helpful. So I. 00:41:24
What strikes me as important what you just said, is that it's regionally significant and that it's a regional draw. 00:41:30
Is that the kind of thing the applicant could commit to that it? 00:41:36
That whatever that entertainment anchor is that it be regionally significant. 00:41:40
Yeah, I don't know how that's defined or how that's always interpreted, but the idea that it's the draw that's going to bring 00:41:47
people to this area. 00:41:51
Right, that's. 00:41:55
Both residents within our you know the overall area will use it, but it will also bring outside people. 00:41:56
To the surrounding commercial as well, I think I view it as, I mean you're gonna have a catchment area for whatever this amenity 00:42:02
is, right? It will. 00:42:07
It will bring people in either from within the development or from. 00:42:12
Within the city or from within the region and I think what we're hearing is that it's important. 00:42:17
To the Planning Commission for this land use decision that it. 00:42:23
A regionally significant entertainment value. 00:42:28
That you'll. 00:42:31
Bring people from other areas. 00:42:32
Not being able to define a commercial entertainment. 00:42:36
We've depicted something that collectively is an entertainment anchor as well. 00:42:40
Like you talked about, it just can't be an amenity park. It's not just an amenity park, it's food and beverage dining. 00:42:45
It's an experience to have some really interesting folks all gathered together around. 00:42:51
You know, again, you have a music night, you have a movie night. People come, they gather. So it's not. It doesn't. 00:42:56
I think it's helpful to say it's not just one user necessarily. 00:43:02
It's a draw to this area. 00:43:08
Performa and and seeing kind of. 00:43:50
Like where they're pulling their, their customers from. I think there's there's ways that you could you could kind of understand 00:43:52
if it's more of just a local type use compared to a will huddle I think. I think I understand your intent, it's just actually 00:43:56
getting. 00:44:01
Verbiage that kind of fits all these various dynamics is a little bit challenging. 00:44:06
But I understand what you're asking. 00:44:10
Anything else? 00:44:18
Let's talk parking then. That's always. 00:44:21
We think the core issue with parking is not parking, it's occupancy. 00:44:23
When it comes to residential kind of condominiums, townhomes, apartments. 00:44:29
When people occupy incorrectly, it creates parking problems, right? If you have a three bedroom apartment and you put 6 bundled 00:44:33
singles in there and each of them have a car, you are asking for a parking problem. 00:44:38
And that I believe is the core of so much of the issue. We do development at cities all around and I keep asking myself why is it 00:44:44
different here? What has happened in Vineyard that this is such a hot button where other places typical parking ratios? 00:44:50
Are. 00:44:57
And understood and it works out. 00:44:58
Our commitment in the develop. 00:45:01
Is to focus on occupancy to get upstream of the issue and deal with it. 00:45:03
And so the parking ratio is 1 stall per bedroom for family occupancy, right? 00:45:08
So if you have a one bedroom or two-bedroom, which? 00:45:13
I think above today it's 1 1/2 stalls per unit, and so now we're tying it to the size of the unit. 00:45:17
And then it's one stall per bed if you have bundled singles in there. So now if I have a three bedroom and I have 3 singles in 00:45:23
there, I need 3 parking stalls. If I have 6 singles, I need 6 parking stalls. 00:45:27
Comb. 00:45:32
With permitting. 00:45:33
So our contract is going to talk about occupancy. We're going to post occupancy requirements and we're going to audit occupancy. 00:45:36
Requirements. So this is now an obligation for the users and we have ways to enforce. 00:45:43
Where it's a little harder for the city to enforce that because you're not signing. 00:45:48
And. 00:45:54
When they sign the lease, they say we're a family occupancy. It's a two-bedroom. We give two parking permits. 00:45:56
They have two parking per. 00:46:03
And if they bring a third car, where are they going to? 00:46:06
Well, they might squat in the visitor areas or somewhere where they're not supposed to park. 00:46:09
We've got some pretty innovative ways, I think, to monitor some of that visitor stuff, like inside of our garage we use something 00:46:15
called Metropolis. 00:46:19
It takes a picture of a license plate. Basically, it's a you don't have to, you don't have to swipe or anything in order to 00:46:23
actually. 00:46:26
Be charged to go. 00:46:29
You have an. 00:46:31
It tracks use in and out of that and if we start to see somebody who's not. 00:46:33
Is continually going into that garage event. We're going to be able to monitor that and actually see. 00:46:37
So we've dealt with Occup. 00:46:42
We're starting to figure out these squatters. 00:46:44
Be trying to skirt the permitting require. 00:46:47
We're going to have, you know, monitoring enforce. 00:46:50
Which hopefully is a last resort, right. We don't really want that to be the primary deterrent. 00:46:54
We hope there's better ways to be able to do that and then we're going to have some great technology. 00:46:59
Last thing to, I think, address is the visitors. Well, where do visitors park again, we're going to have? 00:47:04
Along all the streets, there's probably going to be time limited, the development agreement says. We're going to create time 00:47:08
limited parking on all our private streets. 00:47:11
As well as in the garages and other. 00:47:16
Will define. You can park in these areas for so long that should be able to provide some nice churn. Again, so squatters. 00:47:19
Don't sit in. 00:47:24
And the last which I think is also really import. 00:47:25
In this initial. 00:47:29
When we looked at the parking requirements per code. 00:47:32
Look, this is an entertainment area, food and beverage. You could get some additional market demand. 00:47:38
And so with the market demand might be even a little bit higher than. 00:47:43
But as we looked at the layout and where we can provide parking and how, it'll all shake. 00:47:48
We're actually going to provide 15 or 25% excess of even the market. 00:47:52
In this initial phase. So there's insurance in that. 00:47:59
If we don't use that that parking at the end of phase one, there's going to be a parking study that's going to be done where 00:48:03
people go count empty parking stalls, well then we can come back and use that capacity in a future phase. 00:48:09
If it's available and if it's not, it won't be planned into the future phases. So we provided an extra level of insurance that are 00:48:15
going to be sufficient parking. We're over parking. Phase one in hopes to be able to use that in future phases, but if not. 00:48:21
It's there. I just kind of that's kind of the benefit of like when you're in the phases you have like that northeast block that's 00:48:27
the office block. I mean that that that could be a good spot where you could put some some overflow. But there are places in as 00:48:32
you phase it in that you could just add additional part better to know what have to be our constructed footprint will have over 00:48:37
capacity as well. 00:48:42
Something as well is just the overall like enforcement having personnel on site. Are you going to have someone on site that OK, 00:48:48
because that's kind of, I mean that's obviously like one of the main issues that we've dealt with what we found is dealing with 00:48:54
like the rental type aspect when you have. 00:49:00
When it's managed. 00:49:08
Kind of on that level, it tends to do really well when you have lots of individual owners like in a townhome community or 00:49:09
something like that, We have several different investors and they're renting out, then it gets a lot more problematic. And so I 00:49:14
don't know if you can you kind of speak to that. 00:49:19
You know, kind of. 00:49:25
Because you have a kind of listed like in the occupancy I guess. Like what? What do you, what do you do when someone comes in and 00:49:27
like whoever owned this? 00:49:31
By deed is now required to monitor their occupancy. 00:49:35
If it's sold and another investor the city that that next buyer this, this and Jamie can clarify, but this development agreement 00:49:40
runs with the land and so it's it's not just a requirement for us until we sell it, it's a requirement for the land. 00:49:47
You're right on the fact that the development agreement runs with the land and the requirement runs in the land. I think what we'd 00:49:56
like to see is one step further on that. 00:49:59
Not only does the requirement run with the land, but. 00:50:04
That runs with the land that it will be managed. 00:50:09
By a single entity and not Piece. 00:50:12
What we've found overtime is that things like occupancy and parking. 00:50:15
When they're separated to individual. 00:50:20
It's really difficult to enforce those provisions. 00:50:22
But when you have a single entity, you know, be it an. 00:50:26
Or something similar that can have a little bit more global view. 00:50:31
Of the full neighborhood that it gets managed better and it's easier to enforce on the part of the particularly. 00:50:36
In this case, private but some public streets, but particularly the streets, is what you're referring to, not necessarily one 00:50:42
person managing? 00:50:45
You know. 00:50:49
Both garages necessarily? No, I think we're talking about the garages. 00:50:50
Yeah, I guess I'm struggling to understand. 00:50:58
The value that there will be an overall association, I think we can take take that and talk about it more internally. The value to 00:51:02
the city is if you run sideways. 00:51:06
There's a single enforcement action and not a dozen enforcement actions. 00:51:12
Yeah. And you do have private streets in there and so you know if if you have like an HOA, some sort of management mechanism on 00:51:21
that level. 00:51:26
Have oversight on the on the and as I'm sure you're aware I mean really the like a really big concern too is like the megaplex is 00:51:33
a huge thing for the city and you know we'd like the one thing we don't want is. 00:51:40
Residents who are living there, you know, parking over there and and you know, I mean that that's something that could actually 00:51:47
really impact, you know, sales tax that's really important for like just the financial longevity, so making sure that the 2 uses 00:51:51
can run to other so. 00:51:56
You know, anyway, that's, and it's it's hard to solve them all until we kind of have true site plans. Where is the parking? 00:52:02
But what the development agreement requires us is basically to bring a planning, a parking management plan. 00:52:10
Per site, per site plan basically says this is our. 00:52:15
We need to have you approve. 00:52:20
Then we're going to do the parking study at the end of phase. 00:52:21
And then in here is already a requirement that plan has to talk about enforcement, how to allot the different parking stalls 00:52:24
across the different uses. 00:52:27
Enforcement and we can we'll look at the. 00:52:31
HOA kind of having some common umbrella oversight around parking enforcement. Can you commit to put that plan in the CCNR? 00:52:34
It's already asked to be recorded, so CCNR is. 00:52:44
Yeah, the development agreement I think already states that it will be a recorded parking management plan. 00:52:48
So all the parking is, it's privately funded or is there any RDA funds or nothing like that is being used for this, right? 00:52:53
We do have an application for RDA funds to support the structured nature of the parking. Would you be So we we have an initiative 00:53:01
in Vineyard to make sure we're considering privacy Vineyards kind of the first city in the state saying hey. 00:53:08
Build privacy into planning and zoning. So when you mentioned using Metropolis for license plate tracking. 00:53:15
We also protect privacy. So I think there's an opportunity there to say if it's a public private partnership, you would just say 00:53:49
can we delete the data after X amount of time? 00:53:53
And it highlights, you know, our desire to do great development but protect privacy at the same time while using technology. 00:53:57
Do you see any issue with that? I looked at but the Metropolis app it looks like even with that you can set the settings, but 00:54:05
that's just a matter of working with the vendor to say hey after we process the data. 00:54:09
That's just disposed about after X amount of time and. 00:54:13
Part of what we do if we're going to do license plate. 00:54:17
Yes. 00:54:20
Yeah, in concept, I have no concerns with that. We just got to work through the logistics of. 00:54:21
How that actually works and maybe there's some language that we have we could add that to the development agreement or our legal 00:54:26
can, yeah. 00:54:29
Can put something around best efforts. 00:54:33
Yeah. There'll be some disclosures or something along those lines. 00:54:37
I'd also I would recommend on that too, so you have the disposition, but then it's notice. 00:54:42
So if public entities, even private, we notice, notice, we notice in our in our buildings today, yeah, just clear notice. There's 00:54:47
license plate reader technology and then people get to choose if they want to enter the garage. We do notice in our facilities 00:54:51
today that use it. 00:54:56
I think that's import. 00:55:02
But going upstream, we think. 00:55:06
Is really important and we think that's going to really solve a lot of the challenges that you've had where you have, you know, 00:55:08
six cars that. 00:55:12
Where a parking ratio was never intended for. 00:55:15
We really think we're getting to the heart of the issue on that. Any other comments around parking? 00:55:19
Our. 00:55:30
When we talk about traffic, I think the most important thing to understand. 00:55:31
Is if nothing is done, what does traffic look? 00:55:35
Eventually as this gets built out And what's the variance of that versus? 00:55:38
The current ENT. 00:55:42
The current approved plan has 20,000 daily trips and over 2000 PM peak trips. 00:55:44
What we're proposing. 00:55:50
As 12,000 daily trips 1100 peak. 00:55:52
We're talking. 00:55:55
To 50% reductions in traffic on this plan. 00:55:57
If nothing else is done and it gets developed as approved. 00:56:00
It's easy to say, well, the dirt today. 00:56:06
We like that. But if you're really comparing against what's already entitled and allowed, this isn't. By approving this plan, 00:56:08
you're approving a reduction in traffic versus the current baseline. 00:56:14
So the development agreement requires us to address our project's impact to infrastructure, which includes transportation. 00:56:22
We have a transportation impact study I've sent it to. 00:56:28
Today it talks about adding turn lanes, deceleration lanes, acceleration lanes in certain areas. It looks at the background versus 00:56:32
our project. 00:56:36
What can be? 00:56:40
Responsibility for that. 00:56:42
And. 00:56:44
We're required to address our impact and that's our commitment and. 00:56:46
We will always be using a third party engineer to be able to measure and assess that impact. 00:56:49
So one thing that's a concern is currently with the rail spur being where it is, 800 N can't be widened. Center St. can't be wide. 00:56:55
And there can't be an entrance or an exit into this development until that's removed. 00:57:05
Which could be five years away from now. 00:57:11
So I think that a major concern from citizens and concern from the Planning Commission is. 00:57:13
This if this plan gets approved, I assume that it's going to be built as soon as possible, whereas the full development of what is 00:57:19
already approved office space with those 19,000, almost 20,000 trips. 00:57:25
By the time that it reaches that 20,000 trips a day, 800 N would be widened, the rail spur would be removed, Center St. would be 00:57:33
widened, so traffic would be a lot less of a concern. Whereas at least for the next probably five years, until that gets removed, 00:57:38
if we've got 12,000 trips happening. 00:57:44
That adds a major concern to trust. To be clear, the 12,000 yeah is full build out, not phase one. 00:57:52
So that's just a concern. 00:57:59
Of mine that. 00:58:01
Morgan gave me a heads up that this could be a question we've asked our traffic engineer to look at that They didn't have the 00:58:05
answer today. They think they'll have it in a few days what the impact is if you can't cross those roads. 00:58:09
What's the impact to intersections and? 00:58:14
And so for the next meeting, I'll be able to answer that more clearly. Thank you. 00:58:17
Umm. 00:58:23
And then another concern that's not so much a concern with you guys. It's more something this the city needs to do if we. 00:58:24
Approve something like this or. 00:58:32
This or before they even start development if they continue with our current plans. 00:58:33
We don't even have a sidewalk that goes over to the rail. 00:58:38
To that. 00:58:41
Transit. 00:58:43
Before any development happens, I think that that it. 00:58:46
Incredibly important that we have some. 00:58:48
Way that people can walk over. 00:58:51
Install quicker because it kind of stops right after the overpass and then you're sort of in, you're walking on the shoulder, so. 00:59:23
OK. And then the other thing I'd like to see that I didn't see initially in the plan. 00:59:30
But just want it to be in there somewhere. Is some place for some kind of. 00:59:37
Bus stop. 00:59:42
That's off the road that people can access the bus. Any ways that we can mitigate traffic? 00:59:43
Another thing that with that 20,000 if this were to be developed as. 00:59:50
It's currently, as it's currently zoned for, A lot of that is Office Space, a lot of that. 00:59:56
Is commercial space where people that live in Vineyard could walk there and work there? 01:00:02
Whereas this if we don't have those places, if we don't have office space, if we don't have somewhere for people to work and to 01:00:09
go. 01:00:12
Then of course everybody is going to be driving to another city where they cannot can actually work so. 01:00:17
Switching it. 01:00:22
Less office and less commercial to more residential. 01:00:24
I. 01:00:30
Hurt the city in a way, because. 01:00:32
Then people have to drive out of the city which in and of. 01:00:34
Creates more traffic. 01:00:38
So. 01:00:40
Yeah. 01:00:42
I appreciate that. I mean of course we have office in. 01:00:43
120,000 feet or so, which isn't significant. 01:00:49
If you build 1.2 million square feet of office, that's 6000 people 6000. 01:00:52
Even. 01:00:58
Even if you say you know a portion of those live. 01:00:59
I don't think the impact is equivalent to traffic. 01:01:02
Umm. 01:01:06
And regarding the bus stop, I was looking. 01:01:07
I know in here we had talked to UTA and I think we committed in here to continue. 01:01:10
Work with. 01:01:15
To provide transit facilities and connectivity to other areas via bus. 01:01:17
Originally they said so long as they're sufficient. 01:01:21
And. 01:01:24
You know, demand they're willing to work with us on a route, you know, from our place to the front runner station, you know, 01:01:26
directly and rework some of the routes, so. 01:01:30
We. 01:01:36
Definitely. 01:01:37
Bring in a bus stop. 01:01:38
And put some emphasis on bus transit. 01:01:43
OK. So that's traffic. 01:01:51
Last is affordable housing. Again I'll just highlight at 2160% amid restricted housing units. These would be spread throughout the 01:01:53
project delivered at a rate of 1 per 50. So as the project as we developed, they would be brought into the project as well. It has 01:01:59
a provision in here for the city to basically request us to have teachers and 1st responders is first on the list. So if we have a 01:02:05
waiting list and there's a teacher and a first responder on it. 01:02:11
They would. They would have first dibs at the affordable. 01:02:17
And just to note that 100% of this. 01:02:21
Is by HUD Stand. 01:02:24
Market rate? Attainable workforce. 01:02:27
Right. This isn't or none of the rates are going to be. 01:02:29
Workforce achievability to be able to live and stay here. 01:02:34
So we think this is just important to contribute. It's not a hard requirement for this area, but we have offered it as something 01:02:42
that's meaningful. 01:02:47
I don't know that we need to go into all of this, the construction phasing. 01:02:55
We've talked about open space phasing would be built out along with any vertical development that's consistent with what we 01:02:59
submitted in the first quarter. 01:03:03
Sustainability is going to be a. 01:03:07
We're going to look at all of those best. 01:03:09
From, you know, solar provisioning to. 01:03:13
The kind of energy that we use within the development. 01:03:17
Water wise, landscaping will be a major focus for. 01:03:21
We've talked about heights already that came up, so I think. 01:03:26
I think that covers that. 01:03:30
And then the last is just the Phase One timeline if we you know can get through an entitlement. 01:03:32
And a development agreement this quarter, you asked what would this, what could the schedule be? 01:03:37
And yeah, we would move to try to bring site. 01:03:42
You know, into middle of. 01:03:45
End of second quarter or so for this phase one, bring a site plan for approval. 01:03:49
And then everything would kind of phase from there based on that phasing diagram that you saw? 01:03:55
We. 01:04:01
We think it. 01:04:02
High quality attract. 01:04:04
Again, this entertainment block and this idea of we're bringing commercial that. 01:04:06
It's just going to be a fun place for people to go and be able to hang. 01:04:10
And bring. 01:04:13
From the surrounding area to enjoy vineyard as well. 01:04:16
We're excited about. 01:04:21
We're open to Coll. 01:04:23
And more discussion, but we do look forward to. 01:04:25
And. 01:04:29
In the coming weeks for, you know a request for. 01:04:30
All right. Thanks, Steve. 01:04:33
Are. 01:04:37
Questions that people have from the public, something that we missed, not looking really for comments. We'll have the public 01:04:38
hearing where you guys can make comments on whether you think you like it or not or any kind of public comments. But for this, 01:04:44
we're specifically asking questions. If you have a question that you think will be beneficial to the conversation that the 01:04:49
developer can bring forward in their next meeting with the public during the public hearing. 01:04:55
If you could just come forward, just state your question. I'll write it down. We're not going to answer anything immediately. I'll 01:05:02
write down all your questions and then we'll get to them. So if you have a question, come up here, state your name and I'll write 01:05:06
down your questions. 01:05:09
Hello Daria Evans, Villa Vineyard Res. 01:05:20
As I was looking at those slides. 01:05:23
At the end, it mentioned asking the RDA possibly for 10% more to upscale the entertainment anchor. 01:05:27
And I'm wondering what that might entail and. 01:05:36
We would ask the Redevelopment Agency to. 01:05:39
Upscaling their. 01:05:42
Thanks. 01:05:45
No, not yet. I'm going to write down everything. 01:05:52
Any other questions? 01:05:55
Yep. 01:06:00
In Sleepy Ridge. 01:06:07
So I'd be curious with that license plate technology that you were talking about. 01:06:10
Earlier, I suppose someone is found to. 01:06:16
Violated the parking strictures? What types of enforcement mechanisms? 01:06:20
Employed to prevent. 01:06:28
Umm. 01:06:32
Also for time limited parking on the streets. 01:06:33
Is. 01:06:38
Are there any thoughts at this point for the lengths of time that would be? I know that's a small question, I'm just curious about 01:06:40
it. 01:06:43
Also, are there any considerations for making? 01:06:47
Spots be. 01:06:52
Or is it? 01:06:54
First come, first serve. 01:06:55
And if you're there too long, then that. 01:06:58
I maybe I missed this earlier. 01:07:03
Is the height of the buildings in the center higher? 01:07:07
The proposed higher than the ones on the outside. 01:07:11
Maybe that was answered here, but I'm. 01:07:16
And it sounded, it sounded to me like there were. 01:07:24
That there were requests for RDM money. 01:07:28
For parking as. 01:07:31
Maybe I misunderstood that. 01:07:33
If that's the case, how much? 01:07:35
By percentage. 01:07:38
Total quantity is being requested and what is the logic for? 01:07:40
For having vineyard front that money for that purpose. 01:07:45
Can I ask a question? 01:07:55
You gotta do it at the. 01:07:56
Both. 01:08:00
What's happening on both sides of the tracks? We're not talking about the Utah City stuff right now, if that's what you're 01:08:03
referring to. OK, yeah, sorry. Just just we're talking about the Forge right now. Yeah, sorry. 01:08:08
Yes, yeah. 01:08:22
So I'm Sarah. 01:08:25
Just. 01:08:28
Concern about 1:00. 01:08:29
Parking stall per. 01:08:31
Most of those units probably will have a couple of married couples, so why not consider two per unit? 01:08:34
To begin with and just. 01:08:40
Avoid the future. 01:08:41
So just to consider. Thanks. 01:08:44
Yeah, Jake Holdaway, resident. Yeah, I just met with so many HOA presidents. 01:08:54
That and. 01:09:00
About how they have full time jobs and developers throwing the responsibility. 01:09:02
Enforcement. Enforcement. 01:09:08
And. 01:09:11
It's too difficult for them to go through and do that and we live really close to a. 01:09:12
You know UVU and BYU. 01:09:17
And we need to expect students to. 01:09:19
Take a majority, I mean a very large section of these. 01:09:22
And you know. 01:09:26
Students tend to have a car. 01:09:27
And students tend to say, hey, you know what? That's a 12 by 12 room. 01:09:30
Uh. 01:09:34
You know that could be two beds. 01:09:34
So that's six cars. 01:09:37
And having that enforcement on the HOA is just, and that's really what gets it affordable, right? 01:09:39
Is slamming in there? 01:09:45
And So what percentage could we do a study or slow it down to find out what percentage of students would live there, if we can 01:09:47
kind of understand? 01:09:51
The residents that would want to live here because that that makes it affordable for students, right? And being welcoming. 01:09:56
And then also multi gener. 01:10:02
You know, we have a lot of minority families that love to live here in Vineyard. We want to be welcoming to them and so many of 01:10:05
them view housing of saying, hey, you know what, let's let let's let's rent out that place for mother-in-law. 01:10:10
To be able to get in there and so I'm really concerned about the parking requirement on this one. 01:10:17
So thanks. 01:10:22
Any other questions? 01:10:26
Last chance. 01:10:31
Chip. 01:10:39
I have a question about the the, the elevation, the facade of. 01:10:41
Buildings that are going to be lining 8th N are those going to be the total elevation? 01:10:45
Or are they going to be like a staggered with like balconies and so it doesn't look like a giant? 01:10:52
Block. 01:10:57
Sitting on the side of the. 01:10:59
Thanks. 01:11:01
All right, anymore. 01:11:04
OK. We'll get into the questions then as far. 01:11:07
The RDA money. 01:11:11
Is it is? 01:11:14
Staff as far as using RDA money for an anchor I guess. 01:11:17
That's also going to be I guess defined by what the anchor is. I can't answer questions for what the RDA and Steve just really 01:11:22
quick, it might be helpful if you pull back up the map and then we'll probably have to bounce between that and the renderings just 01:11:27
to there's a few. 01:11:31
Kind of architectural type questions. Thanks. 01:11:37
Sorry. So that's full discretion of the. 01:11:39
And Simply put it in there as an opportunity in some of our negotiations with one of the entertainment anchors, they specifically. 01:11:42
Asked for that. They asked for that everywhere. 01:11:49
They typically ask for a lot more and they typically get a lot more. And so we were just trying to provision to say, look, this is 01:11:51
outside of us as a developer. This is really about between that business and the. 01:11:57
Right. And the quality of that anchor and if the RDA says, look, the sales tax, that's going to be amazing, it's going to bring. 01:12:03
Economic development to. 01:12:09
It's an option and that's all it is, full discretion of the RDA, is it something that we need to have in the development agreement 01:12:11
is? 01:12:14
Not typically, and I should note also that state laws changed on retail incentives and so. 01:12:20
Is not as much flexibility now as there used to be in the past. 01:12:27
For the use of RDA funds for retail uses, so. 01:12:32
I don't know that I view that as a topic that needs to be addressed in the development agreement unless you wish to. 01:12:36
Limit it somehow, Yeah. I I don't think that it needs to be something that's into the development agreement and I I would say 01:12:42
that's at the discretion of the RDA. 01:12:46
And then with, I guess, while we're talking about Rd. 01:12:52
RDA for. 01:12:55
Umm. 01:12:57
Again, that's something with the Rd. 01:12:57
Something that needs to be in the development agreement. 01:13:03
You have two levers the way the development agreement is drafted. Now you have two levers to address the parking issue. 01:13:09
I'm heartened by the comment about multi generational housing. I do think that's. 01:13:18
Something to consider and think about when you write this kind of agreement, because if you place limits, sometimes they can apply 01:13:22
inadvertently to those types of households. But. 01:13:27
The two levers you have that are in the agreement right now are occupancy cap. 01:13:32
And then the parking management? 01:13:37
All the details of the parking management plan are not established in the development agreement. 01:13:40
But the city has a role in developing that plan. 01:13:45
And what it basically requires is that they hire a parking expert. That expert makes a report. 01:13:48
We review the report, use the report to. The developer uses the report to craft the. 01:13:53
Parking management plan and then the city would review it and bless it. 01:13:59
Once it's done. 01:14:03
So. 01:14:04
We don't know right now until we get that report and have more details about the phasing and the specifics of the site and the 01:14:05
buildings. 01:14:09
What the exact parking needs? 01:14:14
You can in a development agreement put in things like parking minimums and maximums and I think. 01:14:19
What those are and what you wish them to be is both a function of what's in the code and. 01:14:27
What your policy priorities are. 01:14:32
Planning Commission as a City Council. 01:14:35
It's not my role really to. 01:14:38
What they ought not not to be, but. 01:14:40
That those are the ways that you can address it within the development agreement. 01:14:42
The way the agreement's written right now. 01:14:47
The city has a right to enforce against. 01:14:50
The property owner if they run afoul of either the parking management plan or the occupancy limits. 01:14:53
But the primary responsibility for managing both of those things? 01:14:59
On a day-to-day level resides. 01:15:03
The owners of the property and typically that's vis. 01:15:06
The homeowners association, OK, I guess. So something that I do appreciate with the parking is that you're adding extra parking 01:15:11
from the get go. 01:15:14
There. 01:15:19
Either used and if it's not used then you'll have a better idea of the next phase. I was curious what the next phase if. 01:15:20
If that parking is being totally used in the first phase. 01:15:28
Is it going to be up for the next phase then? Because with our current downtown development, we're doing a parking study every 500 01:15:32
units and if they're under parked then they have. 01:15:37
Compensate in. 01:15:43
Phase of their development. 01:15:45
Remember how that's written for sure? 01:15:47
We have to cure deficiencies from the plan. 01:15:49
Right, if people aren't following the. 01:15:53
But I don't I don't recall how we. 01:15:56
That requirement is not in the development agreement right now. I like the idea You could just refresh the parking study and the 01:15:59
parking management plan. 01:16:02
Based on information learned from phase one and apply that to phase two. 01:16:07
That's something I would want to see in the development. 01:16:13
Yeah, I know at one time. 01:16:16
It was drafted, so I'll have to go. 01:16:19
Then I guess while we're still talking about parking. 01:16:25
M. 01:16:29
Do you have an idea and can we put this in the development agreement of how this will be enforced if people? 01:16:31
Our parking in areas like you were talking about and they're being tracked on their license. 01:16:39
As far as how specific are you asking? Like you get a warning. 01:16:44
You get, you know, 2 warnings and you get towed. Are you looking at that kind of specific? 01:16:47
Yeah, maybe we don't need to because it already says it's got to be monitored. It already said you're going to have to have a 01:16:54
permit. Yeah, so. 01:16:58
The thing that's different about this than some of your pure residential stuff where there was a concern about HOA having to 01:17:04
monitor and enforce, again, we have full time staff present at these at these residential facilities. 01:17:10
And so we're not asking an HOA president to go around and enforce parking. The first line of defense again is that occupancy and 01:17:17
the lease second. 01:17:20
Going to be walking around looking to see who's got permits, right. And so there was a question of, well, what if somebody needs 01:17:25
two cars and they're in a one bedroom? 01:17:29
If so long as somebody else is under parking and needing, it's all about permits, who's got a permit, right? And if you if you 01:17:35
have a one bedroom and we have capacity to give two permits, then we have capacity 2 permits, that family can be totally 01:17:40
accommodated, not a problem. But if there's not parking capacity, we just can't accommodate that family and there has to be 01:17:44
another solution. That's all. So. 01:17:49
So it already requ. 01:17:54
A permit, it says we're going to enforce and we're going to define how we're going to enforce in the property management 01:17:57
agreement. We can get more specific in terms of defining towing or something like that, but. 01:18:01
I think the bones and the structures there to have that discussion in a meaningful way already requiring to say you're going to 01:18:06
enforce, tell me how you're going to do it meaningfully. Yeah. OK. Cool. Thank you. 01:18:11
And then do you have renderings by chance of what it'll look like from the 800 Northside? 01:18:17
So I think the best this was a large discussion in one of the subcommittees. 01:18:24
The reason you see this articulation? 01:18:30
Is because we're trying to prevent that solid urban wall. 01:18:33
If you recall in the first quarter plan, there was multifamily here, so we reduced it by. 01:18:36
You know, these three blocks were all kind of that. 01:18:42
Four or five story multifamily type building. And so this adds a lot of variety by bringing it down to one story and brings that 01:18:46
wall a lot smaller, but these deep articulations. 01:18:51
Create that and then. 01:18:56
The concept here isn't. 01:18:58
Perfectly anywhere. But you saw in this plan how you saw some. 01:19:01
Or, you know some step? 01:19:05
0. 01:19:09
Around the garage this will probably be taller and then this section around here would be a story or two lower. 01:19:10
In the middle, so you'll see height difference, you'll see depth difference. 01:19:18
And you'll see finishes that are different. And then in aggregate, we've reduced it by, you know, 3033%. So there was a lot of 01:19:22
thought put into how to make that. There was a comment about balconies. The current code has quite a bit of requirements around. 01:19:29
How much glass we have to put there, the change of materials and finishes like what you see when you drive parts down parts of in 01:19:37
your connector. It wouldn't be allowed even by the code today. Like you guys could reject that site plan outright for not not 01:19:42
meeting code. It's going to have to have some interest in it so. 01:19:47
And then just real quick, what do you know what the height of those two buildings is about South, the 600? 01:19:54
So each of. 01:20:02
Buildings could be like 300 units and so if that were the case and that's how it ultimately ends up, this would be like 5 stories 01:20:05
around the garage and then this would be 4 stories over here drop down. So anything more would exceed our limit. 01:20:11
Of units. 01:20:19
And then? 01:20:24
As far as. 01:20:26
Students and stuff. I mean, that all comes down to how you're managing it. What Jake was asking is the amount of students or the 01:20:28
amount of people that live there. That's all just part of, yeah, I feel like our proposed solution addresses specifically that 01:20:32
comment in that. 01:20:36
You can't put six singles. 01:20:41
Without having six parking stalls per the agreement, yeah, so we can accommodate student housing. We just have to provide the 01:20:43
parking for it and then this is something I'd like to see. 01:20:49
Maybe in the development agreement, but I would like to see it citywide, if it's even possible or legal. So this is going to be a 01:20:55
question for you Jamie, is when people sign rental agreements or lease agreements. 01:21:00
It's required for them to sign a paper that says I have this many parking stalls. Is that something that we could legally do as a 01:21:07
city? That, I mean, it just says that they've seen it, they know how many they have. 01:21:13
Yeah, there's a few different ways you can do it. And. 01:21:19
There's choices you would be able to make depending on how heavy-handed you wanted to be as a city government or or how. 01:21:24
You'd like to enforce it? How? 01:21:32
These are most often included in covenants that are recorded against the property and then it's presumed that the notice people 01:21:34
get. 01:21:37
The. 01:21:41
Where that falls short is people that. 01:21:43
Don't ever look at the CCNR's right. They're not doing a title report. They're not looking at that kind of information that you 01:21:46
would if you were buying. 01:21:50
So you could require that there be. 01:21:54
You could require that of the HOA or of the CCNR's You could do a citywide ordinance that would require. 01:21:58
Parking or occupancy disclosure when you do a lease. 01:22:05
You can require a signage or posting or those kind of things. 01:22:08
A short answer is there's a lot of tools available to you to do it. Long answer is. 01:22:12
You'll want to roll up your sleeves and consider what is the best fit and how to tailor that to what the. 01:22:18
Problem is that you're trying to solve. Cool. I think that's something we should have as a discussion for the city. That's not a 01:22:24
requirement for you. I just. I think that that's something that we should definitely like. 01:22:29
Be thinking about. 01:22:35
Talking about and. 01:22:37
Yeah, we we are doing that parking master plan that's this analyzing city and it's going to look at those types of strategies. So 01:22:40
that that could be something that we could, we could ask the consultants to look at how that could. 01:22:46
Yeah, I think that benefit a lot of people because I think people move here and they expect like hey, I can park here and then 01:22:52
they sign a lease agreement and they find out that they actually don't have a place where they can park. And if people know up 01:22:56
front, I think that. 01:23:00
Would solve a lot of. 01:23:05
Umm. 01:23:07
OK. 01:23:11
Um. 01:23:12
And then again, Sarah, with A2 per unit, with it being one, it's just going to come down to how they're managing it. 01:23:14
And if it's being over parked then. 01:23:21
They're going to have to address that in the future and they are doing it was 15 to 20%. 01:23:23
More parking spaces in that first phase. 01:23:29
Any other questions from anyone on? 01:23:35
No. 01:23:38
OK. 01:23:39
So just to reiterate a couple of things. 01:23:40
With the definition of that anchor I think is super important. 01:23:46
When we've considered. 01:23:51
Other areas in Vineyard where we've upped the residential. 01:23:53
Or changed the zoning for the residential? 01:23:59
They've. 01:24:01
A very solid definition of we're bringing this if. 01:24:03
We can up the residential. 01:24:07
So if you can have a more solid definition of what an anchor is as to why the city should be considering. 01:24:09
Upping the res. 01:24:17
Also adding something in as far as. 01:24:21
In the develop. 01:24:25
And. 01:24:27
Sorry, I'm looking through. 01:24:31
I know there's something I wrote down the bus stops and transit and then some umbrella for HOA management. Those are the four that 01:24:39
I had entertainment. 01:24:44
Entertainment Anchor Definition. HOA Management, Privacy. 01:24:50
And then they bust up. Great. 01:24:53
All right, cool. Thank you so much, Steve. I know that these are kind of crappy for anybody to go through, but I we appreciate 01:24:56
that. 01:25:00
Came here to I think it'll help make the public hearing go a little bit smoother. Before we're done, does anybody else from our 01:25:04
team have missed anything that needs to be brought up differently? 01:25:09
Thank you, Steve. 01:25:16
Since we got an hour and a half right now, it might be good just to call like a quick 5 minute break between items. That way we 01:25:18
can kind of. 01:25:20
We can get set up and then a lot of people go, yeah, all right, do I need to make, do we need to make a motion to do a 5 minute 01:25:24
break? 01:25:28
No. All right, we'll just take 5 minute break. If you want to use the bathroom, go get a drink. 01:25:32
We're moving on to 2.3, the site plan for the Aquatics facility. 01:25:57
Sorry guys, if you have conversations that you're trying to have, could you please have them outside of the room while we go 01:26:05
through this? 01:26:07
Yeah, please. Thanks. 01:26:12
Yeah. 01:26:15
So I've Anthony teed up and then we'll turn the time over to the applicants to. 01:26:30
Hi, so my name is Anthony Fletcher and I'm a planner. I am here to present the. 01:26:55
Item 2. 01:27:02
Which is the site plan for the aquatic facility. 01:27:04
So flag. 01:27:08
Is proposing. 01:27:10
An aquatic facility within the Lake Promenade. 01:27:15
Area in. 01:27:19
By way of location. 01:27:23
It is going to be in that spot that's being highlighted. 01:27:27
So. 01:27:31
Entire site plan for the promenade. 01:27:32
Approved earlier this year August. 01:27:35
And. 01:27:40
The whole plan is to. 01:27:42
The Aquatic Center built in block five of the promenade, which is going to be somewhere around this area where I have the mouse 01:27:47
cursor. 01:27:52
So the project. 01:28:00
Is going to be located within the northeastern side of. 01:28:02
The block 5. 01:28:08
Highlighted in red. 01:28:10
Right there in the Promenade area. 01:28:13
So at this point, I'll just turn it over to. 01:28:17
With flag. 01:28:21
To go over the space programming and many others regarding. 01:28:23
Proposed project. 01:28:28
OK, great. Thank you. 01:28:31
This. 01:28:33
Is the green light. 01:28:34
I think it is going on. It catches. 01:28:37
Thanks for the introduction, Anthony. Yeah, my name is Bronson Tatton with. 01:28:41
With the developer and like. 01:28:46
Came in and got the full site plan approval on all of the Lake Promenade and when we came in. 01:28:50
If you go back, just a slide. 01:28:55
The six blocks that make up the. 01:28:59
Went through that site plan and got approved on this block. 01:29:01
We had a note that this would be the pool location. 01:29:06
And we noted that we'll. 01:29:09
For that approval and that's what we're coming back for. 01:29:12
So we'll just so everything kind of outside that red line is all still. 01:29:15
Proposed as it was. 01:29:21
The. 01:29:23
The previous site plan. 01:29:24
With the exception of just one. 01:29:26
One element that we'll go over and I'll show you what that is. 01:29:29
Just the general concept bubble diagram of kind of what? 01:29:35
Proposing to. 01:29:40
So. 01:29:41
On the South, if we. 01:29:42
I'll just remind you of what we're looking at doing in the park space and kind of give you the context there. So that's the large 01:29:45
event lawn, that large green. 01:29:49
And. 01:29:55
There was a proposed sidewalk that kind of split this space into two, so the large event lawn with. 01:29:56
Large pavilion to the right hand side. 01:30:02
Umm. 01:30:06
Actually, do you, Anthony, do you think? 01:30:07
Mouse will work over here. 01:30:09
There. 01:30:14
OK, so this here is the event long, the pavilion down here that would be the stage for the event lawn and then this is the 01:30:16
sidewalk that kind of split the space into. 01:30:21
So. 01:30:28
The aquatic facility that we're proposing. 01:30:30
This is. 01:30:33
Building structure on this edge, so it's kind of this L. 01:30:36
There. 01:30:40
Essentially 3 spaces. This space down here is a restaurant. 01:30:41
And it has essentially three sides to the restaurant, so. 01:30:45
Like the street side service? 01:30:50
Come in, sit down and eat. 01:30:52
Or pick up their food. 01:30:54
You get the the. 01:30:57
Access to the restaurant and then also. 01:31:00
From the pool side you get access to the restaurant. 01:31:04
The next space up to the north is on the. 01:31:07
Bottom floor. 01:31:10
All of these. 01:31:12
Spaces are two-story, so the restaurant will, you know, have dining on the bottom and there will. 01:31:15
Mezzanine on the second level. 01:31:21
And outdoor seating on. 01:31:25
And then? 01:31:27
The central space is on the lower level, It'll be the main entrance. 01:31:29
You can see this little star here. There's this kind of gateway entrance. 01:31:33
And on the lower level is that will be where. 01:31:38
You know you'll. 01:31:42
Buy your ticket into the facility. 01:31:44
And. 01:31:48
Behind that are the locker rooms and showers and changing. 01:31:50
On the 2nd floor, it's an event space. 01:31:54
This area up here on the north. 01:31:59
Is being proposed as. 01:32:02
So that's also a two-story feature. So you'd have. 01:32:04
Kind of your spa lobby on the bottom floor, on the on the ground floor. 01:32:09
With some of the treatment rooms on the bottom floor and then on the top floor additional treatment rooms and then you spill out 01:32:15
into this upper. 01:32:19
Terrorists up in this. 01:32:24
So as you come in. 01:32:26
Through the main entry and get your admission in. 01:32:29
This is the main pool area. 01:32:33
That's got a bunch of little pockets and loungers and everything all around this and we'll see it a little bit better in the site 01:32:38
plan. 01:32:41
And then over here on this side is kind of the kids pool area. There's like a smaller kids pool area. 01:32:46
And an older kids pool. 01:32:52
And then this building here kind of divides the two. It'll be transparent, you'll be able to see through it, but. 01:32:55
The South side of this building is a concessions stand. 01:33:02
That's accessible from. 01:33:06
From the park and from the pools. 01:33:08
So we imagine that the restaurant will be making the food and then the concessions is like a quick serve area. 01:33:11
And then behind that there's additional restrooms, showers. 01:33:19
And lockers in. 01:33:23
And then the area that kind of spills outside of the controlled? 01:33:26
Aquatic facility is the splash pad. 01:33:31
The splash pad area will have access to. 01:33:35
Restrooms that. 01:33:38
Already proposed in. 01:33:40
And then an additional seating area outside here and then there will be another pavilion that was already proposed in the 01:33:43
previous. 01:33:46
Plan with tables and chairs and everything underneath that. 01:33:50
So that's kind of that's the. 01:33:54
Layout concept. 01:33:56
And let's go. 01:33:58
The more detailed plan this is. 01:34:00
Circ. 01:34:03
The different entrances, The primary. 01:34:05
The SPA. 01:34:08
And then another entrance here. 01:34:10
The parks. 01:34:12
If there's users of the aquatic facility that want to come out and use the splash pad, there's that easy access through. 01:34:15
Controlled access. 01:34:23
And then this is the second floor. 01:34:29
This is. 01:34:35
The quiet pool area. 01:34:37
Up on this level, so you know, kind of adjacent to the spa area. 01:34:39
This is proposes that quiet. 01:34:44
And then cabanas and seating and everything around that space. 01:34:47
These are just some conceptual elevations on. 01:34:54
You know, if the park is at like a zero elevation, it'll it'll be. 01:34:56
This way to the to the main pavilion so that this event. 01:35:01
Is kind of sloping to that pavilion, but. 01:35:05
In general, if this is 0, then we. 01:35:07
Into the main pool area and. 01:35:11
Pool area and then we there's a large step, you know, a second story. 01:35:14
For the quiet pool area. 01:35:18
To. 01:35:21
And these are some elevations that kind of depict that. 01:35:24
Change so this is the park over here. 01:35:28
Let me go up here and see if. 01:35:31
Elevation or the section lines are drawn, it doesn't look like they are, so I'll just kind of point them out so. 01:35:34
That top one. 01:35:39
Just kind of cut. 01:35:41
So here you can. 01:35:47
Upper terrace of the quiet pool area. 01:35:50
And then the. 01:35:54
The general pool area. This is the street to the north. 01:35:55
And this is the park to the South. 01:35:59
Oh, here's the sections right here. Sorry. 01:36:01
So now we're this section on the bottom is. 01:36:05
East to West. 01:36:09
Through the pool. 01:36:10
Looking north. 01:36:13
So this would be. 01:36:15
The street off to the right, I think that's Third Ave. 01:36:18
And the restaur. 01:36:22
The building, the two level. 01:36:25
Actually, this would be more like the spy area, the quiet pool up above. 01:36:28
And then? 01:36:33
Over to the kid pool area over here and then this is the. 01:36:36
Off here to the left. 01:36:40
These are just. 01:36:46
The things we were thinking about as we were putting this together, the views of the mountains. 01:36:48
The relationship with the event LON on all of the seating area. 01:36:53
And how we can kind of make that a multi? 01:36:57
Seasonal opportunity. 01:37:00
The way we're facing the. 01:37:03
Opening up to the park here in. 01:37:05
The different. 01:37:08
Aspects of the splash pad. 01:37:09
And then the kids pool and then looking at some of these. 01:37:12
These strong axis points through the site. 01:37:16
These are kind of your sight lines as you come in through the main entrance. 01:37:19
You know, we're thinking about what are you looking at as you look across the pool and looking at a focal point of some sort on 01:37:23
this end? 01:37:27
As you come out of the SPA, what are you looking at? 01:37:30
What are your view? 01:37:33
That kind of thing. 01:37:35
And then here's the overall site plan rendering. 01:37:37
And then the kind of the legend over there with the keynotes. 01:37:41
So this is level. 01:37:56
Kind of floor plan. 01:37:59
Lower level restaurant space. 01:38:04
This. 01:38:07
I don't know what this color is beig. 01:38:10
Is kind of your second level like deck area? 01:38:12
Up above, so it's covered, the main entrances covered and we'll see that in some of the renderings. 01:38:16
And then here are your. 01:38:22
Restrooms, men's and women's restrooms and lockers and showers. 01:38:25
And then the spa area. 01:38:29
The lower level of the quiet pool is like all of the mechanical electrical equipment will be all housed. 01:38:32
That will service all the pools and the splash pad. 01:38:42
And then the second level. 01:38:49
The event? The terrace of the restaurant. 01:38:54
Additional restrooms and the event space. 01:39:00
Up here and then the spa. You're seeing some of the layout of the treatment rooms up here. 01:39:03
Up here in the quiet pool area, there's a cold plunge, like some hydrotherapy cold plunge. 01:39:09
Jacuzzi. 01:39:16
We anticipate this upper level. 01:39:19
Heated through. 01:39:22
Through the winter, so this portion would be open throughout. 01:39:23
These are cabanas along here on the. 01:39:27
And. 01:39:31
This feature and kind of hot. 01:39:32
On. 01:39:34
On the West End of the pool with. 01:39:36
Shade pavilion. 01:39:38
And then stairs going down from the quiet pool down to the main pool area and then. 01:39:40
Stairs right here as well. 01:39:45
The lower level to the. 01:39:49
And then? 01:39:53
We'll go to the elevation so you can see those elevations. So this is from. 01:39:56
3rd Ave. looking. 01:40:02
So this is the main entrance in. 01:40:07
Where you check in to get in. This is the restaurant building. 01:40:10
Mezzanine outdoor eating space. 01:40:16
The. 01:40:19
Or the event space on the upper level. Here all your. 01:40:21
Lockers and restrooms behind the wall here. 01:40:24
These windows are on a. 01:40:28
So that we can have some of that transparency out on the street. 01:40:31
But there will be a privacy wall behind that and then the spa over here on this edge. 01:40:35
The entrance over into the spy area. 01:40:42
And then here's our North and South elevations. So this. 01:40:47
From the park, this is what you're seeing. This is the restaurant. 01:40:51
This is the Northside of the building. 01:40:57
Looking. 01:41:00
So this is the. 01:41:02
Areas just behind this wall. 01:41:04
And then this is the elevation from the main pool area. Looking back to the building, here's the restaurant on this side, the main 01:41:10
entrance into the pool. 01:41:14
The event space up. 01:41:18
And then the spa up above. So what you're not seeing is that terrace, the quiet pool terrace that's kind of this volume right 01:41:21
here. 01:41:24
And then those elevations just modeled in 3D? 01:41:33
This is the restaurant side, so the main event lawns here, the pavilion. 01:41:40
Kind of the stage area would be right here and this. 01:41:46
Flanking that side of. 01:41:49
Here's your main entrance. 01:41:55
And then? 01:42:07
The northeast corner, the spa corner. 01:42:09
Here's the quiet pool area running down the street. 01:42:12
And. 01:42:16
Event space here, Restrooms and lockers behind that wall, Restaurant down that way. 01:42:18
Here's that quiet pool. 01:42:27
Area up above. 01:42:30
We'll get into some of the landscape. So these are we're looking more at the building right now, but we'll get into some of the 01:42:32
landscape renderings where you're going to see kind of all of the different. 01:42:36
Site furniture and the landscaping that's planned, so these. 01:42:41
These are not finished, these are just we're just mostly focused on the building here. 01:42:45
And also like the layout of the pools. 01:42:51
This is the concessions area. 01:43:03
And then the second restroom area that's splitting the main pool area and the kids pool area. 01:43:06
So we're like we're looking from the. 01:43:13
To the northeast. 01:43:17
Here's the concessions building, that restroom. Here's the upper terrace, the quiet pool area. 01:43:23
So we're looking at. 01:43:28
The main pool. 01:43:30
This is. 01:43:36
Concept of the spa area this This corner here would be a staircase with a large. 01:43:37
Window, so there's visibility in. 01:43:42
To that space from the. 01:43:46
And now we're getting into some of the landscape stuff, so. 01:43:51
Are the consultants we've been working with. We're working with two teams of consultants, so this is EDSA. 01:43:54
Who did the Waterfront Master plan? 01:44:00
And then the architect is FFKR. So now when we're in the landscaping. 01:44:02
These buildings are just placeholders over here on the right, so we were just looking at the elevation. So these are not, these 01:44:07
are just. 01:44:10
Placeholders while the landscape architect is exploring kind of their 3D model. 01:44:14
Just put that caveat out there so this is like the landscape. 01:44:19
Scheme that we're proposing the landscape. 01:44:24
I think later in the presentation we have landscape materials and pallets. Can you have trees that close to a pool? 01:44:29
Yes, but they do require maintenance of like getting the leaves out of the pool. I mean more, not even the leaves, the roots. 01:44:35
Yeah, I mean they're they're all be protected. So the roots not making it to the pool water. 01:44:43
I wish. 01:44:51
Yep. So here you're seeing, so we're looking from the South side, looking north. 01:44:55
Now we're north looking South. 01:45:04
So here's the main pool area down below the quiet pool up above the kids pool. 01:45:07
To the West. 01:45:11
The main. 01:45:21
We're proposing A0. 01:45:23
From the main entrance side, zero entry just means you're coming. 01:45:25
You know. 01:45:30
There is no step down, it's just it rolls down and it starts sloping down. 01:45:31
And then here's you're seeing some of these little pockets that we created. 01:45:37
I took some of these slides out because I didn't want to get too long winded which. 01:45:41
Maybe I already am, because Pete has to talk to. 01:45:45
Some of the ideas of the inspiration behind some of the forms you're seeing is the ice on the. 01:45:49
And the fractal ice, you know, the shards of ice that are out. 01:45:54
That's why you're seeing some of these shapes in this main pool and the kids pool areas. 01:45:58
They. 01:46:03
Kind of that fractal ice idea. 01:46:04
So different views from different areas here on the up above in the quiet pool area. So this is. 01:46:12
Coming out of the SPA, this would be your view. 01:46:19
Looking West. 01:46:21
This is from up above, kind of that sawtooth edge. 01:46:24
Of the upper quiet pool looking down on the lower pool in the park beyond. 01:46:27
This is the pool or the spa exit and entrance and. 01:46:34
And. 01:46:39
The cold plunge. 01:46:40
And Jacuzzi area. 01:46:43
There's another, I think these. 01:46:45
Other. 01:46:47
Spa areas, hot tubs. 01:46:48
And then this is looking back toward the this is the spa building here, so this is that other this is the shade pergola up above. 01:46:52
That hot tub on the West End of the quiet pool. 01:47:00
And then the cabanas there on the. 01:47:03
So this is the main pool. 01:47:09
We're kind of standing at. 01:47:11
Over at the entrance. 01:47:14
Like you've just walked through the entrance and this is kind of. 01:47:16
Out along. 01:47:19
Oh, no, sorry, we're looking back. 01:47:22
Yeah, this little key here. So we're looking. 01:47:24
Back toward I don't think this building is just the placeholder. 01:47:27
So this you'd be looking kind of out to the street through that opening? 01:47:31
Is there any kind of? 01:47:36
Yeah, like in the middle is deeper. Like how deep. 01:47:39
It doesn't get like, I think we're like 5 feet. I don't know that we've got into that detail yet, but not like 5-6 feet any kind 01:47:44
of, yeah, there would not be any diving. 01:47:47
OK. 01:48:00
I think we're getting close here. Here's kind of that flex. 01:48:01
You know, I was talking about how this relates with the the park. This is the park over here on the left, the great the event. 01:48:04
The splash pad in the distance and we've got fire pits planned like these little seating areas. 01:48:10
Off the side of the pool. 01:48:16
That are kind of that transition zone between park and pool. So is this. 01:48:18
Going to be gated or where is the gate or where is the fence going to be? This is, yeah. So this is elevated and there will 01:48:23
probably be, if we're not the full 6 feet on the, you know, the elevation change, there will be a fence to get to that so that 01:48:29
when you're in the park, there's a six foot barrier to get into the pool area. OK. So this is part of the pool area. Yep. 01:48:35
I think that's the kids pool area. 01:48:47
So here you're seeing the younger kids. 01:48:49
It's much shallower, a little bit deeper in the older kid area and then the cabanas. 01:48:51
Along the. 01:48:56
Looking back the other. 01:49:02
On the kids pool area. So here's your concessions building in your other restroom. 01:49:03
And then cabanas on. 01:49:07
And then this is the splash pad. 01:49:12
So kind of the difference between like the younger kid area and the pool area and the splash pad is. 01:49:16
There's no lifeguard on the splash pad. The water is not deep enough. They would trigger a lifeguard. 01:49:22
There is a little bit of depth on the water because. 01:49:27
You have these big arching jets and the water will run. 01:49:32
In a little stream condition down to this side over here. 01:49:35
I guess you can probably see a little bit better here, but everything kind of funnels to a drain that's over here on this side. 01:49:39
So some of the features in the splash pattern, those big arching jets that are going to be making kind of this water tunnel. 01:49:47
And then over in this area, there's kind of the pop Jets like the ground play. 01:49:53
Type features and then the stream feature down to. 01:49:58
The dream. 01:50:02
So this is on the end of that event L. 01:50:04
Umm. 01:50:07
I'm sure we'll be going. 01:50:08
The planting pallet with the tree committee, we just did that on. 01:50:10
The Promenade block with OJB today. 01:50:14
But we'll be getting that input, but this is just kind of some of the flavor, just much more natural landscaping materials that 01:50:18
we're proposing. 01:50:21
In and around the pool area. 01:50:27
And in. 01:50:29
These are just some of the character images and I think that's my last slide. 01:50:34
Any questions? Got a few. OK. You had a slide on there about what was public and what was private. Could you bring that slide 01:50:39
back? 01:50:43
Just get up. 01:50:54
There we go there. 01:51:12
Pete Evans with Flag. 01:51:17
Bronson gets to show all the pretty pictures and talk about how the pools patterned after fractal ice. 01:51:19
And then I get to talk about, you know, how how it all. 01:51:26
But they're really the goal with this, as we've talked about this over the last. 01:51:30
This is backwards to what I thought it was. Unrolling. Sorry. 01:51:36
The goal on this was to create a really spectacular amenity. 01:51:40
Really Groups of people. So we have the people that live really near the pool in the adjacent neighborhoods. 01:51:45
We have the people kind of in the surrounding communities and then all of. 01:51:52
And the idea here was in this park area to create. 01:51:56
Aquatic amenity that would really serve the needs of all three of those groups of people. 01:52:01
And so we have the big area at the bottom. 01:52:05
That's kind of free to everybody. That's the open park, including the splash. 01:52:09
And that area and. 01:52:14
Over in this area, this is kind of that transition area. 01:52:16
Where we have the concessions that are both inward and outward. 01:52:20
So as you're out in the splash pad or out in the. 01:52:24
You know, we we view this concession as being. 01:52:27
Not like a full kitchen, but more of. 01:52:30
Like prepared. 01:52:34
Type of things and soft drinks and that kind of thing. 01:52:35
And. 01:52:39
At that point. 01:52:41
There will be access control where there will be an area here that will be with membership. 01:52:42
That's for the public. 01:52:49
And then also, these are similar. These are or that was just emissions, right? The yellow. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, Wizard mission. 01:52:50
But I mean, we're kind of assuming that this will be. 01:53:00
Type of a structure so that you're not getting like. 01:53:05
What What happens if you have like a daily use admission fee? 01:53:09
When it's 100° outside, it's over. 01:53:13
And when it's 80° outside, it's not. 01:53:16
And so to level that out, it usually works better to have some sort of an annual or at least monthly subscription. 01:53:19
And that would be open to anyone in. 01:53:27
The city of Vineyard. So this is like it's pretty similar like like a rec center that. Yeah, like a rec center like any any public 01:53:29
rec. 01:53:33
And then this would be. 01:53:36
With subscri. 01:53:39
But you would have to live in the surrounding areas within the Utah City development. 01:53:41
To be to have that this subscription for the quiet pool up here. 01:53:47
The other areas in here that. 01:53:51
Would be just like any other public space, so restaurant. 01:53:54
SPA. 01:53:58
We don't anticipate operating those areas we anticipate. 01:54:00
Leasing those out to operators who specialize in those. 01:54:05
This entire thing will operate at a break Even so this will be a non profit. 01:54:10
Any revenue that's generated? 01:54:17
Concessions restaurant or the spa would just go to offset cost operating costs. 01:54:20
So for that pink area. 01:54:28
Only people that live. 01:54:30
In Utah City, I guess can access. 01:54:33
Yeah, And then they would have to also pay a. 01:54:36
Like, it's not just open to everybody in Utah City. 01:54:39
OK. 01:54:44
I just wonder because you have the spa area and then you've got like the therapeutic like pools and stuff. It seems like they're 01:54:45
kind of, yeah, this is colored in too far. I mean that line really should be kind of like here. Well, I mean, I mean even if that 01:54:51
wasn't there, it just seems like you have the spa and then you have like a therapeutic pool and all that that's. 01:54:57
Not that is associated with the SPA, but if it's not accessed by the public I just seems weird, yeah? 01:55:04
Yeah, I think that this when I was drawing that line, I think there are. 01:55:11
Pieces here that are part of that like the cold plunge and that that will be accessed by the SPA, but then this part that the 01:55:16
lines just drawn in the wrong spot. It should be drawn like right here. 01:55:20
In that. 01:55:29
There's probably some more privacy that you're going to want and. 01:55:32
Everybody in the quiet. 01:55:35
We've got to figure out. 01:55:40
And we're kind of. 01:55:45
OK. 01:55:52
So ultimately I mean. 01:55:54
I mean, it's been over a year in the making, but the goal? 01:55:57
To provide that kind of level of amenity we're really excited about. 01:56:01
The direction this is going and kind of where this is and the architecture that's coming in and the designs. 01:56:06
I really think this. 01:56:13
Pretty spectacular for everybody who lives here. 01:56:15
Cool. 01:56:20
All right, I do have a few questions and stuff. 01:56:21
As far as the bathroom for the splash pad, did kids have to cross the street to get to that bathroom? 01:56:25
Looks like that this is just a side. 01:56:32
That's just the site, but it's kind of colored Gray, like a street. OK, but yeah, it's just a just a wide sidewalk. Yeah, if you 01:56:35
remember that, that block. 01:56:39
Pretty big. So yeah, I thought the same thing. OK, when they put this in, it looks like there's no. 01:56:43
It's just a wide sidewalk trail there, OK? 01:56:53
Further to the leftover here further to the West. So we have like. 01:56:58
Sports court here, Yeah, I just wasn't sure if there was one more Rd. in there. 01:57:03
OK. 01:57:08
Hours. Like is this just open during the summer is? 01:57:09
Year round thing. So this would be open in the summer and then you know, obviously the splash pad would shut down in the winter. 01:57:13
Than all of that area would be just kind of like the like it is currently a big park is currently, yeah. And then the the pool 01:57:21
area. 01:57:25
I mean, we're talking to. 01:57:30
Vendors right now who do. 01:57:32
Activities, so this could turn into something else. 01:57:34
In the winter time, so like for example, we're talking to. 01:57:38
A group that does ice. 01:57:41
Like temporary ice skating rinks, so. 01:57:43
There's some uses we're looking at, but right now it's anticipated it would be seasonal. 01:57:46
And. 01:57:54
I guess as far as fees, like how accessible will this be? The Vineyard residence is this gonna be? 01:57:55
Like, yeah, So we do more pricing to like we don't have the operating budget done, but it will be a break even like we won't be 01:58:02
and it'll actually be subsidized by. 01:58:07
The other paid uses in here like the restaurant, the concessions in the spa and so it'll it'll actually be below cost for vineyard 01:58:13
residence, so it'll be similar I assume to like other city pools and stuff. 01:58:19
Yeah. 01:58:26
And then, is there a reason? Well. 01:58:28
Is there a reason you decided not to do the? 01:58:31
The upper pool is. 01:58:34
Public also. 01:58:36
I just see the stairs that go up on both sides and it seems like. 01:58:37
It accesses the rest of the pool really easy. I'm just curious why you decided not to have that be public as well. 01:58:41
Yeah, I mean I think it was just a just a tiered structure to provide like. 01:58:48
You know, kind of, I mean a lot of the public amenities. 01:58:54
Here are really more focused on the. 01:58:59
People who live closer anyway. Yeah, And so this was just kind. 01:59:01
Acknowledging that proximity, OK, I think maybe what I'd say too on that is so the the, that top tier of membership up on the 01:59:06
Quiet Pool. 01:59:11
They'd be able to come down and use the other pools. 01:59:16
With like a key card. 01:59:19
With your second tier, you wouldn't be able to go up. 01:59:22
To that level. So there would need to be like some control in those spaces, but that's why there is access up there, yeah? 01:59:25
Yeah, just as long as it's clear on those. 01:59:30
That it's obviously not accessible to the public, I think would be. 01:59:34
Something bouncers, right? 01:59:41
Did you guys have any questions? 01:59:45
I have a broader question. This is more about the promenade in general. We've talked about the ownership aspect of easement, 01:59:49
public access or ownership of the city. 01:59:54
Has there been any progress made? 01:59:59
Just the. 02:00:02
Yeah. I mean, I would say, yes, we're still kind of working through some of the details, but this would kind of fall into that 02:00:06