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| All right. We're going to go ahead and get started. | 00:00:06 | |
| Today is Wednesday, December 27th, 2023. I'm going to ask everybody to write down the time is 6 O1 and we're going to get this | 00:00:10 | |
| vineyard City Council session started. | 00:00:16 | |
| We'll go ahead and start with an invocation, inspirational thought and Pledge of Allegiance, and that will be offered by | 00:00:22 | |
| Councilman Council Member Wells. | 00:00:26 | |
| All right. With your heavenly Father. We're very grateful to be gathered here this evening. | 00:00:32 | |
| Residents and council and staff of Vineyard City and we're grateful. | 00:00:40 | |
| Be able to think about. | 00:00:48 | |
| Where we live and. | 00:00:52 | |
| Make thoughtful decisions and. | 00:00:55 | |
| Pray that we will do so tonight and. | 00:00:58 | |
| We pray for those in our community who are serving as first responders, military. | 00:01:02 | |
| We're grateful for their. | 00:01:11 | |
| Especially at this time. | 00:01:13 | |
| Grateful for our very many blessings and grateful. | 00:01:17 | |
| In this beautiful city, in our state and in this country, and say these things anyone of Jesus Christ. Amen. | 00:01:20 | |
| All right, That brings us right into our consent agenda. | 00:01:35 | |
| Unless there are any questions or need for discussion, I just need a motion. | 00:01:50 | |
| I move to approve the consent items as presented. | 00:01:57 | |
| Second first by Amber, second by Christy. All in favor. | 00:02:00 | |
| OK, Amber. Aye. Yay, Marty. Yay, Krusty. All right. | 00:02:05 | |
| We have a few appointments that we need to do. As I recall, our North Point Solid Waste Special Service District Board was a | 00:02:12 | |
| member was our last city manager. I would like to change that and appoint our new City Manager. | 00:02:19 | |
| Does anybody have any questions about that? | 00:02:27 | |
| Position. Otherwise I need a motion. | 00:02:29 | |
| We adopt Resolution 2023-61, approaching the Mayor's appointments as presented to dissolve those Special Service District. Thank | 00:02:33 | |
| you, Tye. Second, Second by Amber. Does this need a roll call? Tice, Amber, Aye. Yay, And Marty Christy. All right. | 00:02:41 | |
| 3.2 is the appointment to the Central Utah 911 resolution 20/23/62 This is a similar situation. Do you guys have any questions | 00:02:50 | |
| about this? | 00:02:55 | |
| I need a motion. | 00:03:03 | |
| There are going to be that resolution 2023 Dash 62. | 00:03:05 | |
| Building deployments and 911. | 00:03:09 | |
| First by tight second. Second by Christy Tice, Amber I. Yay Marty. Yay Christy okay, Planning Commission. | 00:03:13 | |
| I. | 00:03:23 | |
| Two people as well. I have one person that I would like to add as an alternate. | 00:03:24 | |
| Potentially as a permanent seat, dissipating Roton. | 00:03:30 | |
| And then I have somebody that's an alternate potentially moving to a permanent seat, Bradley. | 00:03:33 | |
| I want to go and call them and ask them which one would like to move into those positions. Do you guys feel comfortable with | 00:03:38 | |
| either of them being in a permanent seat and either of them being in an alternate? | 00:03:43 | |
| OK then can I get a motion to approve them for those positions? | 00:03:49 | |
| I move to approve Bradley Vad and Keaton Rosen to the Planning Commission. | 00:03:56 | |
| Second, First by Amber, Second by Christy. All in favor? Aye? All right. | 00:04:00 | |
| Let's see. Hold on one second. | 00:04:09 | |
| One second before that happens. | 00:04:13 | |
| I have a quick legal question I have to ask. | 00:04:17 | |
| Nathan. | 00:04:37 | |
| All right, I have something that I'm going to quickly read so that I can allow for some public comments. | 00:04:39 | |
| To ensure residents have an opportunity to address the Council, we ask all persons presenting to the City Council to speak in a | 00:05:23 | |
| civil manner with due respect for the decorum of the meeting and with due respect for all persons attending. The following | 00:05:27 | |
| policies shall apply. | 00:05:32 | |
| OK, recognize to speak. No member of the public shall speak until recognized by the mayor. Speakers will be called in the order | 00:05:38 | |
| they registered or queued behind the lectern. | 00:05:43 | |
| If a representative is elected to speak for a group, we will discuss that at that time. Otherwise, if you agree with somebody, you | 00:06:20 | |
| can always raise your hand, or you can also just state quickly that you have agreed. | 00:06:26 | |
| Speakers that have come before you. | 00:06:32 | |
| Speakers will be called in the order that they're queued. As I mentioned, when you are recognized, come here, state your name, | 00:06:35 | |
| where you're from, and then proceed with your comment. We'll encourage open and honest dialogue. However, we also expect stability | 00:06:41 | |
| and respect in all comments and interactions. Personal attacks, profanity, or disruptor behavior will not be tolerated. Please | 00:06:47 | |
| keep your comments relevant to City business. Comments shall be limited to matters of fact regarding the issue of concern, if you | 00:06:53 | |
| prefer not to speak. | 00:06:59 | |
| Or if the time run runs out, written comments are welcome and they can be submitted to the city recorder and will include them in | 00:07:05 | |
| the meeting record. | 00:07:08 | |
| If a previous speaker has made a point already, please do not repeat the same information. You may simply state your agreement | 00:07:13 | |
| with the previous comments to avoid redundancy. | 00:07:17 | |
| No individual may address the City Council more than once during a single public comment period or public hearing. If you have a | 00:07:23 | |
| question, we will take note and try to provide answers either during this meeting or at a later time. Public comment theories and | 00:07:30 | |
| public hearings are not a time to depose elected officials or city staff once all residents have had a chance to speak or. | 00:07:37 | |
| Or the allocated time for the public comment session or public hearings has ended. The public comment period or public hearing | 00:07:44 | |
| will be closed. The council members and city staff will not respond during the public comment period. This time is for the City | 00:07:49 | |
| Council to listen to your views. The council may address specific points raised after the conclusion of the public comment period | 00:07:54 | |
| or hearing. | 00:07:59 | |
| Is everybody feel comfortable with that? Any members of the public interrupting City Council proceedings during? | 00:08:06 | |
| Or approaching the bench without permission. Otherwise, creating a disturbance or failing to abide by these rules or procedures, | 00:08:13 | |
| and addressing the City Council shall be deemed to have disrupted a public meeting and, at the direction of the Mayor, shall be | 00:08:18 | |
| removed from the City Council chambers by our Police Department or personnel. | 00:08:24 | |
| Or another agent is designated by the City Council or City Manager. Thank you for your participation and for adhering to these | 00:08:30 | |
| guidelines. Your input is valuable in shaping the future of Vineyard and so we will go ahead and open our public comment. | 00:08:37 | |
| If you have a public comment about anything that is not on the agenda or on the agenda but not notice, please come and state your | 00:08:45 | |
| name and go ahead and make your comment. | 00:08:49 | |
| I'm Keith Holdaway. I live on Holdaway Road and Vineyard. | 00:09:02 | |
| For about 100 years. | 00:09:07 | |
| And I I I have a few questions that I'd like to ask the Council. | 00:09:10 | |
| Did we really give the? | 00:09:18 | |
| Theater and and the Top Golf. | 00:09:20 | |
| Thing 25 years of free taxes. | 00:09:24 | |
| Anybody want to speak up for all of you? Sorry, nobody will be giving answers during this time. We'll do it after the public. | 00:09:29 | |
| OK, I'll wait for your answer. Because if I. | 00:09:37 | |
| As I understand that they were given 25 year per. | 00:09:39 | |
| Free, free taxes. | 00:09:43 | |
| And the theater that this year paid pay taxes to Vineyard. But Vineyard? | 00:09:45 | |
| Apparently. | 00:09:50 | |
| Reimburse them 980,000. | 00:09:52 | |
| Is that is that really what we want to do with our tax money? | 00:09:57 | |
| When we have tax. | 00:10:02 | |
| Areas that. | 00:10:04 | |
| I've told you this before, held sacred for a long time. And then we give them away. | 00:10:06 | |
| Is that is that really what we want to do so so we everybody in the citizenry can pay more taxes because we have less in our town | 00:10:11 | |
| cop. | 00:10:17 | |
| I think that's really. | 00:10:23 | |
| I'm really sad about that. | 00:10:25 | |
| And that is absolutely wrong to do. | 00:10:27 | |
| In 25 years. | 00:10:30 | |
| There'll be advancements in computer and. | 00:10:32 | |
| Facilities will grow old. Top Top Golf will be ready to tear down and do it again. | 00:10:36 | |
| The electronics will be obsolete by then. They'll be new. Brand brand new. | 00:10:44 | |
| Things that will come along and it'll change everything. And what have we received for it? Not a dime. | 00:10:49 | |
| As a. | 00:10:56 | |
| To me, that's really a sad situation, and we ought to be more responsible than that. I've said before we should never let a dime | 00:10:58 | |
| of taxpayer money go, nor should we pave the way for these developers, whether it's top golf, the theater or anything else on the | 00:11:04 | |
| North Side. | 00:11:10 | |
| We don't need to pay the way pave the way for developers. That's up to them. | 00:11:17 | |
| I would have rather seen us rather than give away 25. | 00:11:22 | |
| Years of tax free. Let that ground sit. We sit in the middle of Utah Valley. | 00:11:27 | |
| This is valuable. | 00:11:33 | |
| And if you think that nothing's going to want to come here, we're sadly mistaken as a community, because they will. | 00:11:36 | |
| They. | 00:11:44 | |
| We just don't need to rush into it and we don't need to put down a silver lining on the ground for developers. | 00:11:46 | |
| Because things will come and it'll come good. We just have to be patient. We have not been patient. | 00:11:53 | |
| We have not been conservative, which I believe this area has been forever. | 00:12:01 | |
| So I, I, I beg of you to take time. I'm very. I'm very sad about the rush. 24 hour minute notice. All right. It looks like your | 00:12:06 | |
| time is up. Thank you, Keith. You all know how I feel. Thanks. | 00:12:13 | |
| Hi, my name is Aubrey Bills and I live in the Elms and since this is our last meeting with this current council, I just wanted to | 00:12:25 | |
| take a second. | 00:12:29 | |
| Just publicly thank each of you for your efforts on behalf of our city. | 00:12:34 | |
| I know we'll be missing losing 2 of you and um. | 00:12:40 | |
| You both and all of you have done so much for our city, and I know that whether we agree with all the decisions that you've made | 00:12:44 | |
| or not, I know that the sacrifices that you've made in time with your family. | 00:12:50 | |
| And time on your, you know, personal pursuits and professional pursuits has been Imm. | 00:12:57 | |
| And there have been lots of hours of unpaid are very underpaid hours of work that you've put in. | 00:13:01 | |
| Umm, So I just wanted to publicly thank you for those efforts. | 00:13:08 | |
| Let you know that you're appreciated by one of the citizens of the city at least, and I know there are many more. | 00:13:12 | |
| I did have a. | 00:13:19 | |
| Questions that I know you won't answer right away. Umm. | 00:13:20 | |
| I'm wondering if with the new rules kind of on public. | 00:13:25 | |
| If I understand that if I have comments that I want to send and I'm supposed to do those in advance of the meeting. So if my 3 | 00:13:30 | |
| minutes is up and I have more than I want to say, am I allowed to send in comments that will then be put? | 00:13:37 | |
| On the agenda or is that? | 00:13:43 | |
| Not allowed because it needs to be done beforehand, so I would love clarification on that. | 00:13:46 | |
| And then also. | 00:13:52 | |
| With only 15 minutes to speak that and the three minutes per person that only last five people to speak for public comment, I'm | 00:13:56 | |
| wondering if we might sometimes need more of that, more more than that time. I know you guys have had meetings go way too long, so | 00:14:01 | |
| I understand there needs to be a limit, but if is there a way to extend that, if there is a, if a reason comes up that there that | 00:14:07 | |
| that would need to be done? And also if people are raising their hands when they agree, is that going to be taken note of in some | 00:14:13 | |
| way? | 00:14:19 | |
| Counting those or is that just we just assume that you're seeing us or we'll wave until you do or anything like that, I'd love to | 00:14:26 | |
| know. | 00:14:29 | |
| Kind of your thoughts on that? | 00:14:33 | |
| And I am concerned that there won't be any back and forth with the City Council if there are questions because there might be | 00:14:37 | |
| follow up questions and if the three minutes is out and we didn't quite get clarification. | 00:14:41 | |
| I would love to know any ideas on how we. | 00:14:47 | |
| That better in case there needs to be some back and forth. And a visual timer might be helpful too, just so people know how long | 00:14:50 | |
| they have. So thank you. | 00:14:54 | |
| Thanks. | 00:14:58 | |
| Daria Evans, Indian resident. I too would like to echo her sentiments. Thank you very much for you. | 00:15:06 | |
| This past term 4. | 00:15:13 | |
| You've done a lot and I appreciate. | 00:15:17 | |
| I don't want to be disagreeable. | 00:15:20 | |
| Do you have some disagreements with way things have gone on, But first. | 00:15:23 | |
| I want to thank you. | 00:15:28 | |
| Staff for providing the drop off for the cardboard from all our packages that we received at Christmas. We took advantage of that | 00:15:30 | |
| today. | 00:15:35 | |
| And that was a great service that you're providing our community. | 00:15:40 | |
| You might not think it's very much, but we appreciate it. So thank you also. | 00:15:43 | |
| I'd like to. | 00:15:50 | |
| Be clarified on Is David Mortensen leaving? I have read that. | 00:15:53 | |
| And I would just like to thank him as being our finance Director. We've lost several wonderful people this last year. | 00:15:58 | |
| Brian Perez, Catherine Newman, Bethany V and Ezra Near wonderful employees of the city and appreciate all their efforts. | 00:16:06 | |
| I have some questions. | 00:16:18 | |
| Do we have our grinders on our three sewer lifts installed yet? | 00:16:21 | |
| And our weight on our stations And when will the vineyard connector bridge be size seismically retrofitted? | 00:16:27 | |
| Are we having? | 00:16:38 | |
| Extensive geotechnical. | 00:16:40 | |
| On these large buildings that will be coming in our new developments. | 00:16:42 | |
| And are we maintaining a fun? | 00:16:47 | |
| To timely replace and update infrastructure. Those are some of my questions. | 00:16:50 | |
| I'd like to. | 00:16:57 | |
| Express appreciation to Kaden Roten and Brad Bag coming onto the Planning Commission. | 00:17:00 | |
| It'll be fun to work with. Visit with them. I've really enjoyed coming to these meetings this last little while. | 00:17:07 | |
| I am. | 00:17:15 | |
| Have participated in many things that my time is up almost 45 seconds. | 00:17:17 | |
| But this last two months of City Council and Planning Commission meetings combined. | 00:17:22 | |
| It's been a very big disappointment to me. | 00:17:28 | |
| The audience and the. | 00:17:31 | |
| You know, I obeyed the rules. I raised my hand and I don't feel like I was listening to, you know, I felt like I was thrown under | 00:17:34 | |
| the front. | 00:17:39 | |
| Not just the best, the front. | 00:17:44 | |
| And I was very disappointed. | 00:17:47 | |
| And the way things have come about, I don't really think we need this meeting. This is not an emergency to me. An emergency is a | 00:17:51 | |
| life or death situation. | 00:17:56 | |
| And I will have some questions during the public hearing. Thank you. Can we do a point of clarification? | 00:18:01 | |
| Are you OK with that? | 00:18:08 | |
| On emergency meeting. | 00:18:10 | |
| To form a special session. | 00:18:12 | |
| So we do it after this. | 00:18:15 | |
| Ryan, Holdaway resident I'm going to try and play by the roles I agree with. | 00:18:23 | |
| What? Sorry, I said. So appreciate it. | 00:18:27 | |
| And umm. | 00:18:31 | |
| I want to take time to thank the developers Flagship for spending time past the week helping us understand the pit and the way | 00:18:32 | |
| they're structuring it. | 00:18:36 | |
| I did notice in my reading, and thank you to the Council for posting that several days in advance too, on the 21st. That was very | 00:18:42 | |
| nice to give us time to read that. | 00:18:46 | |
| I did notice a couple things based on my understanding that had changed from our last meeting to today and one of the major ones | 00:18:51 | |
| was it went from my understanding again, 1.5 billion billion dollars. | 00:18:57 | |
| Seeking to 2 billion on page 69 and page 100. It was a billion for each now. | 00:19:02 | |
| So I'm curious what else has? | 00:19:08 | |
| I'm not a legal scholar, I haven't. I didn't have access to the documents before, so I'd really like to know what has changed so. | 00:19:11 | |
| Because when we met in our information session on Saturday morning. | 00:19:17 | |
| That was still 1.5 S would really like some clarification there and I understand we're not going to have a public commentary on | 00:19:21 | |
| the pits tonight, so I wanted to make sure that that. | 00:19:26 | |
| Portland was made, but again, thank you for your time. | 00:19:32 | |
| Hi, David Loray, can you. | 00:19:41 | |
| Thanks for your service folks. Appreciate it. | 00:19:44 | |
| Those are, it's been a long, long haul and it's it's hard to do public service and so thank you. | 00:19:47 | |
| We're doing it. I have a couple questions. | 00:19:53 | |
| A long time. So we had a report about the railroad situation. We know we're we want to remove the tracks along Geneva Road and I, | 00:19:56 | |
| as I understand it there that there was some negotiations finalized with the railroad. | 00:20:03 | |
| Some years ago about. | 00:20:10 | |
| Some tracks that I may relocate in the north of. | 00:20:12 | |
| Before that could be taken. | 00:20:15 | |
| And. | 00:20:17 | |
| And then so can you give us a report on where that is, what the schedule is to get us to a point where we would have those tracks | 00:20:18 | |
| removed so that we can begin putting businesses along that stretch of Rd. Thank you. | 00:20:24 | |
| Add Jeff Porter. My wife and I live in Hampton. And just a couple of things. | 00:20:36 | |
| This kind of off topic but I want. | 00:20:42 | |
| I have a comment. My wife and I were delivering Christmas goodies about a week ago and we noticed the street light is gone. | 00:20:45 | |
| From 20 W and 3:50. | 00:20:52 | |
| And the bolts are sticking up out of the concrete and the lights just gone and we don't want to. | 00:20:54 | |
| If what happened to it and if it's going to come back? | 00:20:59 | |
| So that's one question. | 00:21:03 | |
| Is that something that you can answer now or do you even know about it? Or? | 00:21:06 | |
| That will address comments at the endings. OK, that's all I have for tonight. | 00:21:11 | |
| My name is Hunter Riley. I'm Nate Riley's. | 00:21:22 | |
| I want to read something that is. | 00:21:26 | |
| Important, it says. It's from a Facebook post made by a city a sitting council member. | 00:21:30 | |
| So I'm concerned with the apparent lack of process. | 00:21:37 | |
| I thought I made my stance very clear in the last Council meeting, but I'm concerned that the need for speed is still pushing the | 00:21:41 | |
| agenda. | 00:21:44 | |
| Not the need for a well developed and thought out agreement. I will not vote for an agreement presented to me just prior to the | 00:21:48 | |
| meeting. | 00:21:51 | |
| This is a stance one of the council members made. | 00:21:54 | |
| While running for election our first term. | 00:21:57 | |
| We all know what happens when things are rushed. | 00:22:01 | |
| Building houses. | 00:22:05 | |
| Development. Anything else rushed things go. | 00:22:07 | |
| Errors are made this whole process over the last month. | 00:22:09 | |
| Things are going very fast and. | 00:22:15 | |
| Processes are not. | 00:22:17 | |
| One of the questions I have. | 00:22:20 | |
| Who is on the Who's control of the Who's in control of the fund? | 00:22:23 | |
| In the PID? The developer? Who else? | 00:22:28 | |
| That is taxpayer money. | 00:22:31 | |
| And that if it wasn't going to, the developer would be coming to. | 00:22:34 | |
| The counselor. | 00:22:39 | |
| And so as that is given back to the developer. | 00:22:41 | |
| From Is there a process that the city can see what the developer is spending the money on? | 00:22:44 | |
| Is the developer pocketing the money or is it going back to Rose? Is it going to infrastructure? How is that tax money? Police. | 00:22:50 | |
| By the city, even though it's not coming back to the city's PO. | 00:22:58 | |
| Thank you. | 00:23:02 | |
| This will be our last comment. | 00:23:08 | |
| Sure, I came on a resident. I hope everyone had a joyful Christmas. | 00:23:11 | |
| I'm here today to ask a question for clarification. In last weeks or the 13th meeting we had the. | 00:23:16 | |
| Fill in port of heads and somewhere in the middle there was a vote taken. | 00:23:26 | |
| That I'm wanting to have clarification for as far as. | 00:23:32 | |
| The voting of the council members and with Julia it sounded like that. | 00:23:37 | |
| You had to have 4 council members disagree with you in order to. | 00:23:43 | |
| Have something. | 00:23:49 | |
| Pass and I don't know if that's accurate or not, but I wanted to follow up on that because I have a real. | 00:23:51 | |
| Concern about council members not knowing or wanting or advocating their responsibilities so. | 00:23:57 | |
| In a in a 2. | 00:24:04 | |
| One on the day that I had read about the inland port, I called Tice because he's one of the people I met when we moved back, | 00:24:07 | |
| asking him about just clarification, just to ask questions. | 00:24:13 | |
| And his response to me was, I don't know anything about it. | 00:24:19 | |
| He was telling me that I was probably thinking about the OR hearing about the drone port. | 00:24:23 | |
| Think my microphone just went out. | 00:24:29 | |
| Anyway, and we talked for a little while. | 00:24:32 | |
| We said goodbye. | 00:24:37 | |
| When he thought he had hung up, he hadn't hung up, and I heard him use the words. | 00:24:38 | |
| Oh, the forces are out, Jake. | 00:24:44 | |
| And I tried to interrupt, and I said, Ty hello, hello. And then I heard his wife Linda say. | 00:24:48 | |
| Oh no. | 00:24:54 | |
| The phone hung up and all of a sudden I realized. | 00:24:56 | |
| I felt like I was being. | 00:25:01 | |
| Disregarded and that really hurt. The other thing is, and I have worked with Christie, I respect Christy and what we've done, but | 00:25:05 | |
| when she asked me on August 5th to support her for campaign. | 00:25:11 | |
| I asked if I could meet her in person so we could talk and the one question that I had. | 00:25:19 | |
| Was how you felt about the mayor acting without your knowledge. | 00:25:24 | |
| With the. | 00:25:29 | |
| And you gave an. | 00:25:31 | |
| But the answer ended by saying I've made peace with us. My big concern with all of these things, sandwich Dan, is that I really | 00:25:33 | |
| want to have a representative government. I. | 00:25:40 | |
| And I want to say this Marty was the only one who did not vote to give the mayor. | 00:25:47 | |
| Extra power. So anyway, I am really concerned about the unity and the trust in our community. I I don't like what I feel, what I | 00:25:54 | |
| hear people making comments. | 00:26:00 | |
| I would like to be able to have some solutions. | 00:26:06 | |
| And I appreciate more time with agendas. I think transparency and honesty is what we really need in order for us to move forward, | 00:26:10 | |
| and I would appreciate. | 00:26:15 | |
| Some comment, clarifications about that vote. Thank you thank you public. The public comment period is now closed. | 00:26:21 | |
| We will. Well, I had announced that there was a last comment. I don't mind if you come up, this will be our last. | 00:26:29 | |
| Because I signed your paper and said I wanted to comment. | 00:26:38 | |
| My name is Darlene Price. I live in the. | 00:26:42 | |
| This is our third year. We came when Covad was running rampant and we didn't meet anybody during that. | 00:26:46 | |
| Umm, since then I've been at several council. | 00:26:54 | |
| I am would like to applaud the last three people that spoke. | 00:26:58 | |
| With about transparency and about some of the decisions that were rushed through. | 00:27:03 | |
| Comment from one of. | 00:27:10 | |
| Leaders about being transparent and then. | 00:27:12 | |
| And what? | 00:27:16 | |
| Here's my question. | 00:27:17 | |
| My understanding is I have researched the PID. | 00:27:20 | |
| Is that they are a quasi political. | 00:27:23 | |
| Group with no representation. | 00:27:27 | |
| The community, there's nobody on that board and with that power they have the ability to tax and raise taxes and we have no say in | 00:27:30 | |
| it. | 00:27:35 | |
| Now I don't know if you remember your history. | 00:27:40 | |
| But we had a big problem with taxation without representation. | 00:27:42 | |
| And I feel that strongly this is the same thing. | 00:27:46 | |
| We are giving property to people and developers. | 00:27:50 | |
| With no representation on that and I find. | 00:27:54 | |
| I find that anti American. | 00:27:58 | |
| Where our country was not based on that representation, in fact, I think they threw tea. | 00:28:00 | |
| And a harbor to complain about that. And I don't have tea and we don't have a harbor, but we do have a lake. | 00:28:06 | |
| I appreciate the effort that you. | 00:28:13 | |
| I appreciate the fact that you are trying to do the right thing, but I don't see it being done. | 00:28:16 | |
| And I am concerned about. | 00:28:21 | |
| That you don't listen and. | 00:28:23 | |
| What your constituents say? | 00:28:26 | |
| Thank you. | 00:28:29 | |
| All right. We'll go ahead and close out of that public hearing and we'll address some of these things. | 00:28:31 | |
| For anybody that had questions on the PID, I'm going to reserve that. | 00:28:37 | |
| For answering your comments during the time that we discussed the PIC. | 00:28:41 | |
| Let's see there. | 00:28:47 | |
| There were some questions on grinders on the three store list, the seismically retrofitted bridge video studies and the funding on | 00:28:50 | |
| infrastructure for the future. | 00:28:55 | |
| And that was by Daria. Let's go ahead and get something put together for Daria and we'll address that. So Daria, if you could meet | 00:29:01 | |
| up with our engineer and he will contact you on that. | 00:29:07 | |
| You had a point of clarification on an emergency versus. | 00:29:13 | |
| Pam. | 00:29:17 | |
| Just a point of clarification because I've had this commented more than one time. Just to clarify that this is a special session. | 00:29:22 | |
| Special session falls into meeting that 24 hour plus requirement for noticing or an emergency session does not fall into that and | 00:29:29 | |
| so this is actually a special session that was noticed. | 00:29:36 | |
| A couple weeks ago, so I just wanted to clarify that for everybody. | 00:29:44 | |
| Thank you. We had a question about the RDA and how the RDA works. This was by. | 00:29:49 | |
| He was talking about how we prod. | 00:29:56 | |
| RDA. | 00:30:00 | |
| I don't know if he's, I think the best opportunity here. There was a presentation done that explains the RDA and how those funds | 00:30:02 | |
| work. I will have that put together and maybe we can post. | 00:30:08 | |
| As well as send it to you so that that can be understood a little bit better. You had questions on two properties. | 00:30:16 | |
| You had one about on the megaplex, which I think was put in somewhere around 2014, 2015 and then I believe also the yard and we'll | 00:30:22 | |
| all include that in the description that's sent to you. And then if people have questions about that, we can post that and make | 00:30:27 | |
| that available for others as well. | 00:30:33 | |
| Yes, in the yard, top off. Thank you. And then we will, let's see. | 00:30:42 | |
| Let me just make sure that I got everything. | 00:30:49 | |
| The railroad report, David, this is great. We're actually about to have a report that comes in. So I will get back to you on the | 00:30:55 | |
| next. | 00:30:59 | |
| I don't even oversee it, but oh, there you are. I will have, I'm going to be making a report in January. So that's going to | 00:31:04 | |
| address that and. | 00:31:09 | |
| I'll thank you. Then let's see, 20 W 3350 N the light is gone. Did you have any commentary on that? You were holding a quick | 00:31:14 | |
| report on that, thanks to the scene. So a light on 20 W and 350 N was identified to cause a safety conflict with residential | 00:31:23 | |
| driveways right there. And as a result of that, it was determined to remove that to avoid that safety concern. | 00:31:32 | |
| OK. | 00:31:41 | |
| So my commentary on this, Eric, would be that if there's further comments on this, you could follow up with the residents with the | 00:31:43 | |
| porters that had experienced this with us. If there's any commentary on needing additional lighting or anything like that, you can | 00:31:48 | |
| address it after this meeting. | 00:31:53 | |
| Great. No, not right now. Not right now. I'm sorry. | 00:31:59 | |
| Not right now. We'll address it after this meeting, but we will address safety. So just make sure that you touch base with us and | 00:32:03 | |
| I will. I'll circle that as an issue. | 00:32:08 | |
| OK, let's see. | 00:32:13 | |
| I was pleased. | 00:32:21 | |
| Yes, Aubrey's question, Aubrey, I will take all of those things into consideration and go back to council and see what is | 00:32:26 | |
| possible. | 00:32:30 | |
| With our, with this policy we're putting in. Thank you for making those comments. | 00:32:34 | |
| OK, let's see. The point of clarification on the meeting was done by Pam. The inland port was a presentation. I know that they | 00:32:40 | |
| came onto the agenda and it felt fast. And it was fast because it was a presentation and it was for all of us to learn about. So | 00:32:45 | |
| nobody really on the council knew much about it. We wanted to learn more about the unimportant, what that had to offer to the | 00:32:50 | |
| city. | 00:32:55 | |
| And that's something that we do is that we bring information to the table, we get to learn about it, we get to ask our questions | 00:33:01 | |
| and then we go and we have further commentary after that. So that is why we didn't follow the public hearing because it was a | 00:33:06 | |
| presentation, but we did have to notice it that way. | 00:33:12 | |
| Let's see. Voting council ordinances. Something not best. Jamie, did you want to clarify or help explain the ordinance that was | 00:33:18 | |
| passed last time about appointments? | 00:33:24 | |
| There were some misunderstanding about what it was and I believe the comment was that now the Council. | 00:33:30 | |
| Doesn't get to vote on things that I'm voting on or it takes all of the council to vote against the things I'm saying. Kind of | 00:33:38 | |
| like the veto. | 00:33:42 | |
| So would you mind doing that? I, I, I think now with respect I'll let the terms of the ordinance speak for itself, but I I think | 00:33:48 | |
| what it related to was. | 00:33:53 | |
| The positions that were appointed, how they would be appointed, and then how they would be removed. And the way the ordinance read | 00:34:00 | |
| is that appointments were. | 00:34:04 | |
| The advice and consent of the council. So the mayor puts forward an appointment for those positions. | 00:34:09 | |
| With the majority vote of the council, person would be confirmed into that position. Removal would be done either with. | 00:34:14 | |
| Your vote as part of a majority. | 00:34:22 | |
| Or a vote of four to one against the mayor. | 00:34:25 | |
| If your vote was not included. | 00:34:28 | |
| Also, I think it's just important that we talk about our form of government, our form of government since the incorporation was a | 00:34:32 | |
| 5 member council and that puts appointment power with the mayor and I. | 00:34:38 | |
| What we did by adding these appointments to this. | 00:34:45 | |
| Ordinance was that the finance director is actually required to be an appointment and the engineer eventually will become | 00:34:51 | |
| something that's required as our city grows. So we were updating that and we felt like as we go through appointments right now, I | 00:34:57 | |
| do a lot of appointments. You saw some with the Planning Commission. | 00:35:03 | |
| And I say this is who I would like to have be on the Planning Commission and then the Council can vote with me or vote against me. | 00:35:10 | |
| And since it's my appointment, it would take them saying no through those same appointment powers. And so that same terminology | 00:35:17 | |
| was used and we just clarified the removal process within our code so that it was clear. | 00:35:25 | |
| And we'll go ahead and move on to the next item on our agenda. | 00:35:32 | |
| And that is. | 00:35:38 | |
| Business item as before we move into the business items, thank you. We will have a quick disclosure by Marty. | 00:35:39 | |
| OK, so I work for my dad's company and my dad's company is a data cabling company. | 00:35:46 | |
| And we work as subcontractors for a company or for several companies, but one of the companies specifically that we work with | 00:35:53 | |
| often. | 00:35:58 | |
| Works as a contractor for Flagship and Woodbury on certain occasions and so I wanted to be abundantly cautious and disclose that | 00:36:03 | |
| every now and then the company I work for. | 00:36:10 | |
| Through once removed works for Flagship and Woodbury. Sorry, I'm like all the attention on me. | 00:36:19 | |
| That being said. | 00:36:28 | |
| I'm a salary employee that doesn't receive any kind of. | 00:36:30 | |
| Pay, increase or Commission. And we actually don't get paid directly by Flagship or Woodbury. And in the two years I've been on | 00:36:34 | |
| council, there's been one occasion for both companies, one I actually didn't realize until recently. | 00:36:42 | |
| So I just wanted to I have a letter specifically if people are concerned. | 00:36:50 | |
| I just didn't want there to be any confusion or question. | 00:36:57 | |
| My position and my ethics on this council. That's great. Thank you. OK. | 00:37:01 | |
| Let's see. | 00:37:09 | |
| OK. Well, we'll go ahead and we'll move into our public hearing, unless Council, did you have any reports that you wanted to say? | 00:37:15 | |
| No, no, Marty, did you have? | 00:37:23 | |
| OK. We'll go ahead and move into our public hearing. This is the acquisition and disposition of property for the aquatic facility | 00:37:27 | |
| located in the Promenade area. This was the this was noticed on the 12th of December for this meeting. | 00:37:33 | |
| I will start by going into a public hearing and then we'll have to. | 00:37:41 | |
| I need a motion. I move to open the public hearing. Thank you, Amber. | 00:37:46 | |
| Second, by Christy. All in favor? Aye? All right. | 00:37:51 | |
| Staff go for it. OK, so this is the Aquatic Center that. | 00:37:58 | |
| Flag Borough is. | 00:38:05 | |
| To build a resort pool type facility in the block five of the lake promenade. | 00:38:07 | |
| It'll include multiple pools, the splash pad, a restaurant, indoor facilities and a lawn area. | 00:38:14 | |
| The Aquatics facility, when completed, will be donated to the city, and the city will lease that facility back to a nonprofit | 00:38:22 | |
| organization. | 00:38:27 | |
| The annual fiscal impact of this will be $100 a year. | 00:38:34 | |
| Lease agreement. | 00:38:40 | |
| And staff recommends approving this lease maintenance agreement and Promenade Aquatics facility lease agreement. | 00:38:42 | |
| OK. Are there any questions by the public? If so, please come up. State your name. Ask your question. | 00:38:51 | |
| I set a timer. We're going to try to wrap this up in 30 minutes, but come on up and if you have. | 00:38:59 | |
| Try to address it one time, because we're going to try to give everybody an opportunity to speak by allowing people to have one | 00:39:06 | |
| comment each and stay on target and task. | 00:39:11 | |
| Vineyard resident OK, I just have. | 00:39:18 | |
| About Article 2 in the extension options 2.2. | 00:39:22 | |
| And it says at least five years prior to the expiration of the initial term or extension term as applicable, the tenant may send | 00:39:29 | |
| notice to landlord that the tenant will not elect to extend the term of the lease. | 00:39:35 | |
| OK. So I'm thinking, OK, it's 25 year lease, is that correct? | 00:39:42 | |
| OK. So at 20 years they can opt out of that? | 00:39:46 | |
| And so I want to know who is going to be paying for. | 00:39:50 | |
| After the 20 years if they decide not to extend. | 00:39:56 | |
| And you decide not to close it down because you have that option to close it. | 00:40:00 | |
| So I want to know where that money is coming from to. | 00:40:05 | |
| Pay for it. | 00:40:10 | |
| Thank you, Daria. | 00:40:12 | |
| Excuse me, Eric, could you do you mind repeating what you said about My name is Paul Kelly, resident of Vineyard. | 00:40:16 | |
| What you said about the nonprofit organization and how the nonprofit is involved. | 00:40:23 | |
| That's fine. We can repeat it just so he can ask his question. | 00:40:31 | |
| Yeah, so the the as soon as the project is completed. | 00:40:34 | |
| That project will be donated to. | 00:40:39 | |
| The city. | 00:40:42 | |
| Lease that back to a nonprofit organization that Flagborough will. | 00:40:44 | |
| Do we know what the nonprofit organization is right now? | 00:40:49 | |
| Or is it an anonymous nonprofit? | 00:40:54 | |
| It would be established for the purpose of of managing that facility. | 00:40:57 | |
| So we don't know what the nonprofit is right now. It would be established. Paul, is that your only question? I'll write that | 00:41:01 | |
| question down and then we'll answer it. Do you have further questions? If there is a change in it, it's a point of clarification, | 00:41:06 | |
| understanding who's on the board of that nonprofit then? | 00:41:12 | |
| Who are the decision makers for that nonprofit organization? | 00:41:18 | |
| So that's I'm just trying to get to the bottom of. | 00:41:22 | |
| Part of part of my concern that I keep seeing is is I keep seeing these public private partnerships. | 00:41:27 | |
| Where nonprofits, I run a nonprofit. I call it Metal Wrestling. | 00:41:34 | |
| OK, it's set up as a 501C3 nonprofit. Doesn't mean nobody makes money. | 00:41:39 | |
| So you know. | 00:41:45 | |
| Money shifts hands, moves from here to there and where's it going and who's getting paid and and we'd like to know that. | 00:41:48 | |
| OK. Thank you. | 00:41:55 | |
| Barbara Porter, resident of. | 00:42:02 | |
| So my question. | 00:42:07 | |
| Is it going to cost money to go to the Aquatic Center? | 00:42:10 | |
| And who's going to keep the money and who's going to maintain? | 00:42:14 | |
| And so who will be paying for that? | 00:42:20 | |
| Because it's kind of not clear if you're getting it back to this. | 00:42:23 | |
| City is the city maintaining is the city getting the funds. | 00:42:27 | |
| How much is it going to be? | 00:42:31 | |
| Then because it is our city, do we get a discount if everything? | 00:42:33 | |
| So just a little bit more information would be awesome and I still am voting for the lazy river. | 00:42:39 | |
| My question is real. | 00:42:51 | |
| I'm Darlene Price from the Villas. | 00:42:53 | |
| Where's the promenade area? | 00:42:56 | |
| I have no clue. | 00:43:00 | |
| Karen Cornelius, vineyard resident. My question is, is this meant to supersede or replace the Vineyard Rec Center? | 00:43:02 | |
| And. | 00:43:20 | |
| Why have we not heard anything about it in your direct center? | 00:43:22 | |
| Seems to me like that would come. | 00:43:26 | |
| A resort in vineyard and so that's my question. | 00:43:29 | |
| Take the place of a rec Center for the enjoyment of all the families here in Vineyard. | 00:43:33 | |
| And then put us in that tiered. | 00:43:39 | |
| Resort type of a setting or are we going to have a rec center or is that an afterthought? That's the question. | 00:43:42 | |
| OK. Any other questions? | 00:43:58 | |
| All right, I made a motion to close the public hearing. | 00:44:02 | |
| First by. | 00:44:06 | |
| Second, by ties, all in favor. | 00:44:07 | |
| All right, so. | 00:44:11 | |
| We have a few things. I think you guys could probably come up and answer a lot of these. | 00:44:12 | |
| There was a legal question just about a contract that talked about the 20 years, the 25 years, the opt out and came from a few | 00:44:18 | |
| people about the deeding returning the leasing. Did you want to address those things? These are all very good questions. I think. | 00:44:25 | |
| I'm Nate Hutchinson with the developers, by the way. | 00:44:33 | |
| I think so. The nonprofit, there will be no paid members of the nonprofit of either of our wood barrier flagship organization. It | 00:44:42 | |
| will, there will be a fairly large deficit as as we get started because we don't anticipate there being. | 00:44:50 | |
| Paid members going or and so the way that it works is there. | 00:44:58 | |
| And do we have the map does? | 00:45:02 | |
| I mean the site plan we did a few weeks ago if you remember it, but so I can just point out, so there's the, the promenade, the | 00:45:06 | |
| question, this is downtown it. | 00:45:10 | |
| You know the problem that goes from the train station to the to the water? It's that kind of. | 00:45:14 | |
| Promenade. | 00:45:19 | |
| East and West? Yes, ma'am. | 00:45:21 | |
| We'll show you as soon as the map is Hold on. | 00:45:24 | |
| What it is, it's it's an Aquatics facility and there's different. | 00:45:28 | |
| There's different areas that can be used at different levels of the public of vineyards. So for example the splash pad will be | 00:45:32 | |
| free to the public will be able to be used, you can go there, the grass area, everything, you can just go. It's just a normal, | 00:45:36 | |
| there's an all abilities park that will. | 00:45:41 | |
| Be for anybody for free. Then there's a portion, there's an area of the pool that's more derived and designed for children. | 00:45:46 | |
| And that will be a paid fee. One of the questions was divine. Your residents get a discount compared to a norm resident for | 00:45:55 | |
| example. And yes, there will be there will be a discount for Vineyard in Utah City. | 00:46:01 | |
| You know, anyone that goes there can pay a fee. | 00:46:07 | |
| And it's in the agreement that it would that fee will be determined based on what other facilities and other areas. | 00:46:11 | |
| Orem, Midvale, you know some of these other areas that have built these facilities, that's where we'll derive that fee from. | 00:46:18 | |
| Will be on the hook to maintain a level of care for the 20 years. | 00:46:25 | |
| So whether you know if it's running at $1,000,000 a year deficit to to operate the pool, we'll pay for that out of our own funds | 00:46:30 | |
| as it gets going and as we build things out and hopefully get to a point where there's enough residents that want to be a part of | 00:46:36 | |
| it. So the three areas are the free area for kids and everybody else outside of the gates, then inside the gate you'll pay. | 00:46:43 | |
| Vineyard residents will pay the same. | 00:46:50 | |
| Anyone living in our community there to be able to use it, probably on a monthly basis. | 00:46:52 | |
| And then they'll and then there's an area. | 00:46:57 | |
| This is not taxing residents in any way, shape or form down here. This is just us building a facility there. If you want to use it | 00:47:33 | |
| and want to come pay, whether that's monthly or annually, you're welcome to do so. The more of you that would do it, the better it | 00:47:39 | |
| is for us because we're not operating this. | 00:47:44 | |
| In a for profit manner, the restaurant will be leased to an operator that is not US. Whatever that lease payment that will be made | 00:47:50 | |
| will be used to help operate and maintain the whole facility. | 00:47:55 | |
| And there's a spa portion of it as well, where people can get a massage, for example, a facial pedicure. | 00:48:02 | |
| Whatever else you would get at a spot. I'm not as familiar with the spa, but those lease payments will also be used to maintain | 00:48:10 | |
| the facility and and upkeep the park. | 00:48:15 | |
| So that answers a few of those questions. I can't remember if I answered everything. Was there others? | 00:48:21 | |
| Yeah, I feel like you answered. | 00:48:29 | |
| Barbara's questions Darlene's Is the picture up? Can you go ahead and describe the promenade? | 00:48:32 | |
| So the promenade is this kind of this green area. Is there a way to zoom in on the map? | 00:48:38 | |
| And this is many of you have probably seen this if you've come to meetings over the last couple of years. We've been working with | 00:48:45 | |
| council and had a lot of community work sessions on this park. We hired OJB, a landscape architect out of Houston and and New | 00:48:52 | |
| York. They're one of the best landscape architecture firms in the country. | 00:48:59 | |
| They just finished Clyde Warren Park in Dallas, if you're familiar with that. It's really revitalized downtown Dallas in an area | 00:49:06 | |
| there. They finished the Riverwalk Park in Omaha. That was $300 million that Warren Buffett and a bunch of his friends got | 00:49:12 | |
| together and did. We've toured that. They they've designed some of the best urban parks in the country. | 00:49:19 | |
| And we're very, very excited about this park. It'll be about a $60 million park from the train station to the to the water | 00:49:25 | |
| promenade. Not park, but. | 00:49:31 | |
| We're starting phase one of this in in the red area there, which is what we're talking about for the facility and then we're also | 00:49:39 | |
| building that area around it with the all abilities park on the left side of that red area and the grass portion of that to the | 00:49:44 | |
| South of the red section. | 00:49:49 | |
| So this phase is about $25 million and that will be installed as part of our phase one. We really anxiously like to get this done. | 00:49:55 | |
| As part of everything else that's going down and then they just add some more in the community director. So to talk about the | 00:50:03 | |
| Vineyard Recreation Center when we did our open space corridor plan about a year and a half ago, it was the area that was chosen | 00:50:10 | |
| specific for a a vineyard Community Center. So that was that was kind of the idea that the residents like was to place that at at | 00:50:17 | |
| where Gammon Park is where the parking lot is is kind of located where the Old Town hall building and so the the idea there was to | 00:50:23 | |
| provide. | 00:50:30 | |
| Cultural. | 00:50:37 | |
| Learning spaces for our members of the community could come together to provide indoor basketball. I think there was interest in | 00:50:40 | |
| doing like a futsal or some sort of field, but having some indoor spaces for recreation and and meeting spaces there. It was not | 00:50:47 | |
| envisioned, at least at this point to be a full blown Recreation Center. The idea was that we're putting a lot of money into the | 00:50:54 | |
| the, the, the Vineyard Beach area to to make that kind of that sandy area. | 00:51:01 | |
| Longer and to provide recreation throughout the park system and and the promenade out here and so and and and unless that changes | 00:51:09 | |
| the idea is that the vineyard. | 00:51:14 | |
| Facility at Ghana Park would be more of a cultural and a Community Center. A place where you cast an indoor recreation program, | 00:51:20 | |
| basketball, that kind of stuff, but not like a full blown Aquatic Center. | 00:51:25 | |
| Yeah, and I think just personal opinion, whether anyone wants to hear my personal opinion. | 00:51:31 | |
| But. | 00:51:37 | |
| And then there's the grass area, so that all there is all kind of open to the public for free. And then you see the bottom left | 00:52:11 | |
| pool there that's more of a pool design for kids with slides etcetera. And then there's more of an adult pool there that's with | 00:52:17 | |
| that monthly pass. And then you see the smaller pool up top that's more of that annual membership pool if anyone wants to be a | 00:52:24 | |
| part of that, so. | 00:52:30 | |
| And then the the restaurant would be in the restaurants great too. | 00:52:37 | |
| Now the key's. | 00:53:10 | |
| Lots of sales tax revenue and then also some additional rent revenue that will help offset the cost of operating. | 00:53:12 | |
| You know all these different facilities. | 00:53:18 | |
| So it feels like with Kohl's questions you were able to differentiate between taxation and membership fees. | 00:53:22 | |
| You also talked about the fee determination and how it would be TA. | 00:53:31 | |
| I think maybe enough clarity was put on liability of the city, but I'm just going to couple his question with Daria's question, | 00:53:35 | |
| which is what happens after the opt out lease period if you guys choose not to do it, who pays for it? Because I think the PPP | 00:53:40 | |
| that Cole talked about is really are we using taxpayer dollars and then bringing liability back to the city. So we severed the | 00:53:46 | |
| question, but still where does liability fall on the city? | 00:53:52 | |
| That's a good question. So the reason why we wanted five years before the lease period is because that's probably about when you | 00:53:59 | |
| need to start making additional capital improvements to the facility. | 00:54:04 | |
| And so that gives us enough time to improve things. And then if if we didn't want to renew the lease, you know, in the city, one | 00:54:09 | |
| of the concerns that the city and the and the city attorney had was, well, what if we don't want it either at that point and what | 00:54:14 | |
| if neither of us want it? We could always at that point. | 00:54:19 | |
| Demolish it and and put more grass there so that there wasn't this continued operation but. | 00:54:25 | |
| You know our intent is. | 00:54:30 | |
| We're going to renew that lease and just continue offering the same service to all the residents of the city that we had. | 00:54:33 | |
| It'll need some additional funds and upkeep at that point, but that's why there's that five years. | 00:54:39 | |
| That's why we wanted to negotiate that so we're not having to decide six months before. | 00:54:43 | |
| And then you know that that's why you gave yourself the five years so that you could decide how much money you wanted. If you're | 00:54:48 | |
| going to have it for another 20 years, then of course you want to put a few more $1,000,000 into the facility. | 00:54:53 | |
| Get it back up to Park just for a point of clarification. I don't know if it initially addressed all of the questions, just that. | 00:54:59 | |
| If we did need to demolish it, who would need to demolish it? Where would those funds have to come from? Would that come out of | 00:55:07 | |
| the city? Yeah. I mean, I don't think that that's a good question. That hasn't been contemplated. Yeah, I can. I can address it a | 00:55:12 | |
| little bit. | 00:55:16 | |
| It's worth thinking back to about 10 months ago. Maybe it was three months ago when we had the first conversations about the site | 00:55:21 | |
| plan. | 00:55:26 | |
| And when the lease concept was first floated, it was the 99 year lease that the developer would hold for the duration of that 99 | 00:55:30 | |
| years. | 00:55:34 | |
| The city wasn't comfortable with that, largely because. | 00:55:39 | |
| Weren't sure. | 00:55:42 | |
| The facility would be cared for, how we would ensure that it was capitalized, how we would ensure that it was operated properly. | 00:55:43 | |
| So we shrunk it down to 325 year terms that would be a little bit easier to manage. | 00:55:50 | |
| We created off ramps for both the city and the develop. | 00:55:56 | |
| If things weren't going well that we would have the means to wind it down, but we required enough notice on that that it wouldn't | 00:56:00 | |
| just be dropped. | 00:56:03 | |
| By either party without notice to the other so we can plan for it and care for it. | 00:56:07 | |
| And then we had inserted into the least some really important provisions that relate to the care, maintenance and operation of the | 00:56:13 | |
| facility. | 00:56:16 | |
| And the fees charged to the public. | 00:56:20 | |
| And let me kind of piece each of those apart a little bit. On the fees charged to the public, we have a provision that requires. | 00:56:22 | |
| That it be available to the public through the duration of the lease. | 00:56:31 | |
| They are able to charge a fee or a user fee. It would be similar to what you would pay at a public recreation facility. | 00:56:35 | |
| In other places throughout the. | 00:56:43 | |
| We were concerned at what level would that fee be set at and would it be at a level that would allow working folks to use the | 00:56:46 | |
| facility and what we arrived on was they would have to index that fee. | 00:56:51 | |
| To the fees charged by other public recreation facilities and pool. | 00:56:57 | |
| Throughout the state, so there's a control on what that amount would be, and it would be set at a level commensurate with peer | 00:57:01 | |
| facilities throughout the state. | 00:57:06 | |
| On the care and maintenance of the facility, we wrote a few things and they have to make annual budget reports to the city about | 00:57:12 | |
| how they use the funds. | 00:57:17 | |
| About who uses the facility. So it deals with patronage, It deals with their budget. | 00:57:22 | |
| And it deals with the board and fee. | 00:57:26 | |
| They have to report to the city on those regularly and then we wrote into that that they have to maintain a rolling five year | 00:57:30 | |
| capital plan. | 00:57:35 | |
| For the facility, what happens with pools? | 00:57:40 | |
| Air handlers and then pool maintenance equipment and mechanics that wear out overtime. | 00:57:44 | |
| And if we don't plan to renew those things? | 00:57:51 | |
| Will be hit with a facility at the end of the term that's inoperable or needs a really big capital investment right up front. | 00:57:54 | |
| We want to make sure that doesn't happen and so the way that we've done that is. | 00:58:02 | |
| They have to do a rolling five year capital plan that's reported with the city when they make their budget. | 00:58:05 | |
| Reports, and then we'll be able to look at that and make sure that there's cash on hand with the nonprofit to care for the capital | 00:58:10 | |
| needs of the facility. | 00:58:16 | |
| And what those are? | 00:58:21 | |
| Thank you. OK. | 00:58:23 | |
| Council, did you have? | 00:58:26 | |
| Questions. Comments. | 00:58:29 | |
| OK, if you don't have any questions or comments, I need a motion. | 00:58:35 | |
| Actually I did have a comment since this will be my last meeting, I just wanted to actually address one of the the what Karen | 00:58:42 | |
| brought up about a future Vineyard Rec Center. So when we did a lot of work on the corridor plan for several years project I was | 00:58:48 | |
| personally very passionate about, you know, a lot of outreach with the community and bringing a Community Center with something | 00:58:54 | |
| that a lot of people were excited about. | 00:59:00 | |
| And and I wanted you to know that the vision for that Community Center was that the idea was that the facility would be something | 00:59:07 | |
| for Vineyard residents alone. It would be a place that people could come, gather, be 1/3 space. A place that's not your home, not | 00:59:14 | |
| your work. A place you could hang out, a place for our light, our children's library to go, place for our junior jazz and play | 00:59:21 | |
| basketball, do a yoga class, do an art class, a place for our community. It would be if there was a fee, it'd be very minimal. | 00:59:29 | |
| But not a rec center similar to what you see in these other communities. Rec centers that are the one you see in forum I believe | 00:59:36 | |
| is 30 million. The one in spring goes 30 million. They're very, very expensive facilities and typically you have to bond to get | 00:59:43 | |
| those in your community, which goes through a vote and increases your taxes. | 00:59:49 | |
| And that's not something that we were. | 00:59:55 | |
| Looking at doing in our community. | 00:59:58 | |
| And because we knew that so many amenities would be going into the downtown, we thought we could do something like a good old | 01:00:00 | |
| fashioned Community Center to create a place. | 01:00:05 | |
| That would bring the community together in not as expensive way as. | 01:00:10 | |
| Big decked out community rec centers. This past fall we've been able to partner. We did a fun partnership with a class at BYU and | 01:00:16 | |
| the construction management program to come up with concepts and ideas for that Community Center and it was really fulfilling to | 01:00:23 | |
| go and see these up and coming. | 01:00:30 | |
| Young people come up with some really amazing ideas. We had what, maybe 20 different? | 01:00:38 | |
| Plans that they came up with and they were just ideas. Umm. | 01:00:43 | |
| Everything that comes to the city starts out with an idea. Somebody who gets excited, somebody who wants to build, somebody who | 01:00:48 | |
| wants to create something. The Community Center is something that. | 01:00:54 | |
| I've personally been championing. That's why we did the BYU class. | 01:00:59 | |
| I don't know what will happen with that project now, so I would admonish future councils to hopefully take. | 01:01:05 | |
| That project and maybe it'll be something that comes to fruition, and I hope so. | 01:01:12 | |
| Because for me, it was always something that would piggyback off of what is going on in the downtown. | 01:01:18 | |
| And give something to our community that. | 01:01:23 | |
| Quieter, not as flashy, and would be a real fun place for people to gather. | 01:01:26 | |
| So I wanted to share that with you and for anyone who's listening who didn't understand what that project. | 01:01:33 | |
| As far as this Aquatic Center, I'm really, really excited. I think it's going to be an amazing facility. I would like to put in a | 01:01:41 | |
| plug for you guys to maybe consider salt water. | 01:01:46 | |
| In your facility I've attended, I've been to some aquatic facilities that are very nice that you saltwater and it's much better | 01:01:52 | |
| for your skin and I would they just advise you to look into it. | 01:01:57 | |
| That's all. | 01:02:06 | |
| OK. Any other comments? | 01:02:07 | |
| Kate, Then I need a motion. | 01:02:10 | |
| I move to adopt Resolution 22363, approving the contribution agreement and lease and maintenance agreements by the Promenade | 01:02:17 | |
| Aquatics facility as presented. | 01:02:21 | |
| Second first by Amber, second by Christy. Is there any discussion? | 01:02:26 | |
| If not, I'll do this by. | 01:02:32 | |
| Christy Yay Marty. Yay yay, Amber. Aye tice. | 01:02:35 | |
| All right, Carried. We'll move into discussion in action 4.2 This is Our E District, the creation of Public Infrastructure | 01:02:41 | |
| District Resolution 2023. | 01:02:47 | |
| 58 And Jamie will lead out on giving us a brief overview of this. | 01:02:53 | |
| Thank you, Mayor. During the City Council's last meeting, I gave a short presentation on. | 01:03:00 | |
| What public infrastructure districts are, how they function. I'm going to take a quick moment and I hope those who were with us at | 01:03:07 | |
| the last minute. | 01:03:10 | |
| Forgive the repetition, but it's important to, I think, layout for those that aren't aware of what a public infrastructure | 01:03:15 | |
| district is, how it functions, and then. | 01:03:19 | |
| What? | 01:03:24 | |
| Terms are in the governing documents for the two pits being considered today. | 01:03:27 | |
| So a public infrastructure district, And there were questions about this in the public comment period. | 01:03:33 | |
| It is an independent local government entity, so it is a government entity that's being created. State statute governs this. It's | 01:03:39 | |
| governed by the Local District Act. That's Title 17B in the state code. | 01:03:45 | |
| It has its own board. The board has the authority and the ability to make a mill levy against the property within the public | 01:03:51 | |
| infrastructure district. The mill levies a tax on property it's not a tax on. | 01:03:58 | |
| Spending or purchasing, like a sales tax would. | 01:04:06 | |
| It does create a new revenue stream and it can fund the financing, construct public infrastructure. So the main purpose of a PET | 01:04:09 | |
| is to be able to. | 01:04:13 | |
| Take that property tax and apply that property tax to, as the name implies, public infrastructure. Period. It cannot be used. | 01:04:18 | |
| Anything but the public infrastructure that would be provided to support a development. It's not used for the private aspects. | 01:04:28 | |
| Of a. | 01:04:37 | |
| The types of things that it can be used to fund a constructor, Things like streets, stormwater, sewers, parks, trails, and you see | 01:04:39 | |
| that reflected in. | 01:04:42 | |
| These two documents. | 01:04:47 | |
| They assess property, they assess property taxes on the property owners within its boundaries and then it can be restricted down | 01:04:50 | |
| from that to specific. | 01:04:55 | |
| Of property within the boundaries and you see that in the pits that are being proposed today. | 01:05:01 | |
| There are boundaries for the Public Infrastructure District. | 01:05:07 | |
| Physically, but there's a second restriction in that they will only be able to assess property taxes against commercial | 01:05:11 | |
| properties. | 01:05:15 | |
| And. | 01:05:19 | |
| Residential properties that are for rent owned by a commercial entity. | 01:05:21 | |
| They cannot assess the. | 01:05:26 | |
| Taxes against owner occupied residential within the pit area. | 01:05:28 | |
| What this means, essentially, is that the pit board can then be tailored to. | 01:05:34 | |
| Have representation for only those entities that are taxed by the PIT, and so the representation matches. | 01:05:39 | |
| Who will be paying the taxes? | 01:05:47 | |
| On the pit, if there were to. | 01:05:49 | |
| Owner Occupied residential? Of course you would. | 01:05:52 | |
| Elected members to the board that would be from that population, but where these bids don't apply to that population. | 01:05:56 | |
| There's no board representation for folks that are not taxed and are not affected by the PIT infrastructure. And that's just a | 01:06:02 | |
| point of clarity that means that there wouldn't be taxation without representation. | 01:06:08 | |
| It would be the people that are being. | 01:06:15 | |
| Are the only people being taxed? That's correct. Yeah. So and we've been mindful of that and that has been as we've created the | 01:06:18 | |
| governing documents, something that we've been very, very careful about making sure that the representation on the pit board | 01:06:23 | |
| matches. | 01:06:28 | |
| Where those taxes will be assessed and who will bear that tax burden? | 01:06:34 | |
| The powers of a pit board are established by the governing documents. It has to be done by the city and that's why we're here. | 01:06:38 | |
| At this meeting today. | 01:06:47 | |
| The primary benefit of a pit is that it offers. | 01:06:48 | |
| Public financing benefits to. | 01:06:53 | |
| The project overall, so you can build more or better amenities. | 01:06:55 | |
| And when I say amenities, I mean public. | 01:07:00 | |
| Amenities like the Aquatic Center that we were just talking about. | 01:07:02 | |
| Because you can use. | 01:07:07 | |
| The public finance the ability to raise that. | 01:07:09 | |
| From the land being developed by the developer. | 01:07:13 | |
| In lieu of going to private markets and so you achieve some efficiency and some economy. | 01:07:16 | |
| In that way. | 01:07:21 | |
| How are kids created? It requires 100% of the property owners within the pit boundaries. | 01:07:23 | |
| To create a pit, those property owners make an application to the. | 01:07:30 | |
| The city and the property owners negotiate the terms of the governing documents, and then it's brought to the City Council for | 01:07:35 | |
| approval of those governing documents. | 01:07:40 | |
| The governing documents, as I mentioned, outlines the types of property that can be taxed. | 01:07:45 | |
| It establishes a mill rate and borrowing limits. The mill rate that would apply here is a maximum of 15 mills. That's .015 per | 01:07:50 | |
| $1000 of assessed value on the property. | 01:07:57 | |
| The board composition and membership is set in the governing documents. | 01:08:04 | |
| And the infrastructure eligible to be funded, financing constructed. | 01:08:08 | |
| Is outlined in the governing documents. | 01:08:13 | |
| The there was a comment during the public comment period about the. | 01:08:16 | |
| Amount of one of the. | 01:08:22 | |
| Heads being increased to a billion dollars instead of 500 million, It's not. | 01:08:24 | |
| That when the Council makes its motion today, it'll be making the motion that on the East pit it will be a cap of 500 million. | 01:08:30 | |
| On the West pit, it will be a cap of one. | 01:08:39 | |
| It's not known whether we're whether that cap will be bumped up against. | 01:08:43 | |
| When we begin building the infrastructure, because they're in out years, but there are controls in place over the costs of the | 01:08:48 | |
| infrastructure that would be constructed. | 01:08:52 | |
| And the standards that would apply to the infrastructure that's being constructed. | 01:08:57 | |
| The two controls are that kids, as a government entity, have to follow the same rules that public districts have to follow within | 01:09:02 | |
| the state. | 01:09:06 | |
| And there are public procurement guidelines that apply, and so when they. | 01:09:10 | |
| Construct the infrastructure that has to be done at estimates that are reviewed and approved by. | 01:09:14 | |
| Public Engineer Stamp. | 01:09:20 | |
| And the procurement process they follow has to be the same procurement process that a public entity would follow. | 01:09:22 | |
| To build that. So it would be a competitive process that would be informed. | 01:09:29 | |
| Licensed Engineer, when they go forward with the work, it would be done within those constraints and then ultimately the | 01:09:34 | |
| infrastructure has to be given to the city once it's constructed. | 01:09:38 | |
| And the city has standards that are put into place by ordinance and then by. | 01:09:44 | |
| Renewing those standards and so everything that is built will have to be built for the city standards. | 01:09:49 | |
| If it's not built with the city standards, then the city will not accept it. | 01:09:55 | |
| And then long term, there's the question of operation and maintenance renewal. | 01:10:00 | |
| Of these assets and the PIT statute right now is limited. | 01:10:06 | |
| That all it can do is construct. | 01:10:11 | |
| We can't do more than that in this particular approval, but we. | 01:10:14 | |
| Had conversations about how do we put into place a structure that will allow us to care for those assets. | 01:10:18 | |
| That'll come in the coming. | 01:10:24 | |
| As we work through some of the additional approvals for the development. | 01:10:27 | |
| And then we have a provision in this. | 01:10:32 | |
| Governing document that would allow. | 01:10:35 | |
| If the state statute is expanded to allow kids to do operations and maintenance. | 01:10:37 | |
| Then the door is open for the governing documents to be amended to allow for that activity. | 01:10:43 | |
| We want to keep the door open, but we also don't want it to be at the discretion of the developer. And so we've written that | 01:10:50 | |
| provision in a way that if the pit statute changes, then the governing documents can come back to the city. | 01:10:56 | |
| And the city at that point in time can elect whether the statutory changes are favorable to the city or not. | 01:11:03 | |
| And if they're favorable, then we can allow the paid resources to be used for that activity. If they're not, then we'll do it | 01:11:10 | |
| another way. | 01:11:13 | |
| I want to now back up kind of 30,000 foot level on this kind of agreement the the prime Directive really or the governing | 01:11:17 | |
| principle with kids is. | 01:11:22 | |
| The taxes to build the infrastructure for development should come from the development itself and from the property being | 01:11:28 | |
| developed, and so it really is a principle of how do we localize the tax burden. | 01:11:34 | |
| And not have it applied to other parts of the city. | 01:11:41 | |
| And so the effort with the Pids really is to make sure that we have the means of generating the tax revenues to build the public | 01:11:44 | |
| infrastructure from the development itself. And so it's a bit of a pay for. | 01:11:50 | |
| And allows the development to pay for that infrastructure instead of somebody else or some other part of the city paying for it. | 01:11:56 | |
| And I feel like you addressed this a little bit. Can we just clarify there was? | 01:12:01 | |
| I think we mostly addressed all of Hunter and Ryan and. | 01:12:07 | |
| A few of them. There was one point that said this tax would naturally would. | 01:12:12 | |
| Be coming to us if it wasn't going to them. And I think it's important that we clarify that this is an additional levy. | 01:12:16 | |
| That it's not redirecting existing tax revenues. Yeah, that's a very important point. | 01:12:24 | |
| So keep in mind that whenever a developer develops property, it has to provide to the city the. | 01:12:29 | |
| The public infrastructure to support that. | 01:12:36 | |
| It has to do it regardless of how it occurs. | 01:12:39 | |
| This is a means of doing that more efficiently, but it does it by taxing the property being developed, not taking or borrowing | 01:12:42 | |
| from existing tax revenues. So we're not redirecting. | 01:12:48 | |
| Existing sales tax revenues and existing property tax revenues it would be. | 01:12:55 | |
| A new mill levy that would apply only to the commercial and the commercially owned for rent properties within the pit boundaries. | 01:12:59 | |
| Not too many residential properties owner occupied within the boundaries. | 01:13:08 | |
| Can I ask a question about height restrictions for that of the height restrictions and are there other? | 01:13:15 | |
| The pit does not do any land use work and so those would be things that will come up when there are subdivision applications and | 01:13:26 | |
| site plans for review on the City Council will do it at that time. Would you mind restating your questions so it goes under the | 01:13:31 | |
| microphone? And that was Darlene Price. | 01:13:35 | |
| The the question was about whether the PIT governing documents controlled height restrictions or told us where the massing for the | 01:13:40 | |
| buildings would occur. The massing is my language, but I think that's what you're asking. | 01:13:46 | |
| Where will the buildings be located? What size will they be? How tall will they be? | 01:13:52 | |
| The PIT document doesn't do that. That will come before the City Council or the Planning Commission when? | 01:13:57 | |
| The developer comes forward with subdivision applications and flats. | 01:14:04 | |
| For the project, excellent, Thank you. I wanted to remember the developers are very correct. We were able to attend a open house | 01:14:09 | |
| to discuss this more in person. Maybe you could give a review of that and then Jamie could make sure that anything that you bring | 01:14:14 | |
| up is. | 01:14:19 | |
| Offered inside of our documents, although you did a very thorough job, so thank you. | 01:14:24 | |
| Yeah. Thank you. Nate Hutchinson again. I felt like it was a fairly productive meeting. I think there was a few of you that were | 01:14:30 | |
| there. Thanks for coming. | 01:14:33 | |
| You know, I I I think we've we've tried to work hard and I think City Council and and Jamie have done a good job of negotiating | 01:14:39 | |
| this as well. But I think the bad rap that that kids have gotten in the past has been when developers do Pids. | 01:14:46 | |
| And then they sell, they build homes and then they sell those to, you know, that the end user of those units without really | 01:14:55 | |
| helping them understand exactly how the PIN works. | 01:15:00 | |
| And so you could have a property tax levy that's twice as high in your subdivision as your neighbor across the street who didn't | 01:15:06 | |
| have a pit. And you may not have really understood that. So you look at your house and say, well, buying this house for 500,000, | 01:15:11 | |
| it's such a great deal because it's bigger than the house across the street, it's 500. | 01:15:17 | |
| You know, that's 490,000 or you know, and all of a sudden you think that you're getting a great deal, but in reality you're paying | 01:15:23 | |
| an extra $2000 or $3000 a year for the next 25 years in a pit. And so one of the things that that was the most critical and that's | 01:15:29 | |
| where you get the kind of the thoughts of representation, taxation without representation. | 01:15:35 | |
| So we wanted to make sure that there was no confusion in the two Pids we were we were submitting here. | 01:15:42 | |
| We're the only ones that will be paying that additional levy. And the way I think it was Mr. Riley. I didn't catch your first | 01:15:49 | |
| name, but I do know your dad. So Riley. | 01:15:52 | |
| We. | 01:15:57 | |
| There's a current property tax that's levied from the county, that everybody. | 01:15:59 | |
| A pit is an additional levy on top of that. So whether it's going to the school district, the county, the city, whatever else, all | 01:16:03 | |
| the property taxes that were already being paid will continue going to the same places they were going before the pit. The pit is | 01:16:09 | |
| just us, and that's why you have to have everybody in the area agree. It's not like we could come to your house and say, hey, | 01:16:15 | |
| we're going to put a pin on your house and we're going to tax you. | 01:16:20 | |
| You know, and that's why representation for us is so critical on this too, because we obviously wouldn't want to turn this board | 01:16:26 | |
| over to somebody else to then come to us and say you're going to pay this much more tax on your property and it's not going to | 01:16:31 | |
| affect anybody but us. | 01:16:35 | |
| And that's why it's really critical that way. So I think by doing those things that was kind of the the biggest thing and the | 01:16:40 | |
| biggest misrepresent not misrepresentation but the biggest issues people have had with kids in other areas. I think we. | 01:16:46 | |
| The way we've tried to view things is. | 01:16:54 | |
| If if we're, if we're negotiating in good faith, you know there was a question on the the megaplex for example that was before | 01:16:57 | |
| this council and and back in the day. | 01:17:02 | |
| I think the RDA, there were some questions on the RDA. The RDA was set up for three reasons. First, environmental cleanup and that | 01:17:07 | |
| was like by far number one and these are in the governing documents of the of the RDA. | 01:17:13 | |
| Environmental cleanup is number. | 01:17:20 | |
| #2 is infrast. | 01:17:22 | |
| And #3 is tenant incentives to bring tenants to the town, etc. One of the reasons why we've had such a good. | 01:17:25 | |
| Umm, such a good relationship with the the two mayors that have been here, all the council members since we've been involved and | 01:17:33 | |
| we hope to continue to have a good relationship with Sarah and Jake is because. | 01:17:39 | |
| We think that items #1 and #2. | 01:17:44 | |
| Should be where funds are directed out of the RDA until everything is absolutely done. We have yet to come and ask for tenant | 01:17:48 | |
| incentive money because for example, one of the things that I used in the Saturday open house, let's say Google wanted to come to | 01:17:53 | |
| town. | 01:17:57 | |
| That might be a bad example because you might hate Google, but let's just use Google as an example. Let's say they came to town | 01:18:04 | |
| and said we will come build a global headquarters in Vineyard, UT. But we want a $50 million incentive from your RDA to come here. | 01:18:10 | |
| The council looks at that and says yeah, that's a good idea. | 01:18:18 | |
| They give them $50 million. They come here, let's say they're here for 10 years and then some other city and some other states, | 01:18:21 | |
| somewhere else is willing to give them more, which we see all the time. | 01:18:25 | |
| They. | 01:18:31 | |
| The city ends up with. | 01:18:32 | |
| If the city chooses to invest the RDA dollars and clean up an infrastructure, whether tenants come and go, it doesn't matter. The | 01:18:34 | |
| city is left with better infrastructure, better parks. | 01:18:40 | |
| Better, you know the things that are left here for the community. | 01:18:47 | |
| And that's one of the reasons why when we've never proposed anything like tenant incentive to this point in our history and and | 01:18:50 | |
| why we're so focused on doing the things we do. What we say is we'll come clean it up, we'll build all the infrastructure. If we | 01:18:56 | |
| for some reason create enough tax increment here to pay those things back, then we can. That was what the RDA was set up for | 01:19:01 | |
| initially. | 01:19:07 | |
| And we stay focused on those top two things and not on that third thing which is tenant incentives, but. | 01:19:13 | |
| I can talk to you after. I don't know if there's going to be. | 01:19:21 | |
| I can come talk to you, but that was a little, you know, maybe I went a little farther than than Pete would have gone, but just | 01:19:25 | |
| wanted to kind of give you an understanding of what we're doing and and how we look at things. | 01:19:31 | |
| And hopefully we can all start looking at these things together. I think one of the biggest issues we've had here. | 01:19:37 | |
| Is that no one really knows what we. | 01:19:42 | |
| And you might look at that and say we've tried to hide this and you know that that's not the case. We've been coming to public | 01:19:45 | |
| meetings for years and years and going through these things. And I think I think one of the things I'm most excited about is | 01:19:51 | |
| having more of these open houses. If you've got questions, let's sit down and go through these. I think a lot of times it's really | 01:19:57 | |
| easy to get on Facebook and say these crazy things about each other and send private messages to each other. | 01:20:02 | |
| Instead of just sitting down and having a real conversation back and forth with saying you might still disagree with me and say | 01:20:08 | |
| no, I wish you were doing that, etc. But at least you're understanding what exactly it is we're trying to accomplish 'cause I | 01:20:13 | |
| think we'd find we have a whole lot more common ground than we might think we do. | 01:20:18 | |
| Then historically we felt like we have, OK, so you touched on property owners, you touched on the separation between the RDA and | 01:20:23 | |
| PID dollars and the general taxation and how all of those are separate and different and they all have different obligations. Was | 01:20:29 | |
| there anything else that came up? | 01:20:34 | |
| We talked. | 01:20:40 | |
| Let's see what else. | 01:20:43 | |
| Anything else that you came up with an update on what we're doing? | 01:20:45 | |
| OK. All right. | 01:20:52 | |
| There's no community members on your board, right. So and I'll clarify that, but you did clarify that in the open house, so. | 01:20:54 | |
| One of the things Council that came up in discussion was that. | 01:21:04 | |
| The representation. | 01:21:10 | |
| For taxing purposes. And so, Jamie, maybe you can clarify the board makeup and how to work for the council. | 01:21:12 | |
| There there is one really significant difference in the document from what was in the packet. | 01:21:20 | |
| A few weeks ago and it's that. | 01:21:26 | |
| Sharpen the definition of qualified property. | 01:21:29 | |
| And then tighten the board composition, the board appointment process as it relates to that qualified property. So there wasn't a | 01:21:33 | |
| definition before of the property. | 01:21:38 | |
| That would. | 01:21:43 | |
| I should phrase that a little bit differently. There there was a term in the agreement that excluded. | 01:21:47 | |
| Owner occupied residential property. | 01:21:54 | |
| Put a belt and suspenders into the agreement where there's now a definition of qualified property and the PID will only apply to | 01:21:57 | |
| the qualified property, and then you have a direct relationship between. | 01:22:03 | |
| Who's appointed to the? | 01:22:10 | |
| And whether they have an ownership interest in the property that's being taxed by the PIT. | 01:22:13 | |
| And we feel that that's a direct like 1 to one, it's the board composition matches the property that's being taxed. | 01:22:19 | |
| If a board member is. | 01:22:27 | |
| If a board seat is vacant, then that board seat would be reappointed by somebody. | 01:22:30 | |
| That similarly has an interest in that property that's being taxed. | 01:22:36 | |
| It wouldn't bring in somebody different to tell them how they're taxed and it wouldn't leave. | 01:22:42 | |
| Any tax property unrepresented. | 01:22:47 | |
| So to speak and then there. | 01:22:49 | |
| There's a provision in here that if any. | 01:22:55 | |
| Rental property seeks to be converted to owner occupied. Then the governing documents would come back to the City Council. | 01:22:59 | |
| And they would have to be amended before you would have any of that type of conversion. | 01:23:07 | |
| Because we don't want a sale or a change in plans by the developer or financial circumstances or something like that to then allow | 01:23:12 | |
| this to be converted to a tax that would be applied to owner occupied housing. And so before that can ever happen it would have to | 01:23:18 | |
| come back to the city. | 01:23:24 | |
| We would have to amend the governing documents that would most likely mean an amendment to the board composition. | 01:23:30 | |
| And we would make sure that whoever's taxed is represented. | 01:23:35 | |
| OK. Any questions from the council on that? | 01:23:39 | |
| And forgive me, I don't know if this question was answered, but I think someone asked about. | 01:23:43 | |
| Specifically, does the? | 01:23:50 | |
| And I'm sorry if this is a. | 01:23:54 | |
| Do we get to see what kind of funds are coming in and reported on? That was Hunter's question. Yeah. Oh, great. Yeah, great | 01:23:57 | |
| question. | 01:24:00 | |
| That's another we had an annual reporting, so there's a statutory obligation that they have to report back to the city on their | 01:24:05 | |
| budget. | 01:24:08 | |
| And on how they do things, we've added two other layers to that they have to report back quarterly. | 01:24:13 | |
| And what on their budget and their expenses unless the? | 01:24:18 | |
| Request something less frequent than quarterly, so at a minimum we'll have quarterly reporting back from the. | 01:24:22 | |
| And then as a governmental. | 01:24:29 | |
| The pit has to follow or the pits have to follow notice. | 01:24:32 | |
| Hearing requirements for things like budgets, things like tax increases, things like fees. | 01:24:37 | |
| A pit wouldn't do fees, but they have to follow all of those public processes before they make those decisions. So they'd have to | 01:24:43 | |
| hold, they'd have to publish a notice, They'd have to hold an open meeting. | 01:24:48 | |
| That I have to hear from the public before they make those choices. The city didn't want to be surprised by anything and so it | 01:24:53 | |
| asked for an additional seven days. | 01:24:58 | |
| On top of whatever the statutory requirement is, and that's written to the Pitt governing document, so. | 01:25:02 | |
| The city, There will be no surprises. | 01:25:08 | |
| On what the pit does, the city will get seven days notice and then on top of that, they'll have the notice. | 01:25:12 | |
| That's required by stat. | 01:25:17 | |
| And then we also talked about how it's constrained to different standards and different and specific items. So, OK. | 01:25:19 | |
| Further questions. | 01:25:25 | |
| No, if there are no further questions from the Council I need, I did actually want to make a clarification. | 01:25:29 | |
| Ryan Holdaway's comment about page 69 and page 100. Both of them do say 1 billion. So the motion will need to state that the West | 01:25:36 | |
| could will be capped at a billion, the East could be capped at 500 million. I do have those stipulations written down if anybody | 01:25:43 | |
| needs help. Is that the only one? | 01:25:50 | |
| And then what? Yeah, insanely, we added to these documents the qualified. | 01:25:57 | |
| Verbiage. So we don't need and that's in the, that's in the version. | 01:26:03 | |
| Any other questions? | 01:26:11 | |
| OK, I have a motion. I move to adopt Resolution 2023-58, approving the creation of a public infrastructure district for the East | 01:26:15 | |
| District of the Vineyard Downtown Development with the cap at 500 million. | 01:26:22 | |
| For the east. | 01:26:30 | |
| For the east and one volume for the West. | 01:26:32 | |
| 2nd. | 01:26:38 | |
| OK, first by Christie, second by Amber. Any discussion? | 01:26:40 | |
| I'll do this by roll call. Christy Y. | 01:26:44 | |
| Marty I, I Amber. Aye, ties. All right, that's carried. We'll go to the next item. | 01:26:47 | |
| And I believe, Jamie, you're presenting this as well. | 01:26:55 | |
| And the next item is the same topic, the same terms that there are two differences between the east and the West pits. | 01:27:00 | |
| It's the dollar amount cap and so on this West, it's capped at a billion. | 01:27:08 | |
| And then the property boundaries are different in the 2 and so the West reflects the property that it would apply there. | 01:27:15 | |
| Correct. The board matches the property banners. | 01:27:22 | |
| OK, so. | 01:27:27 | |
| That additional item, just the capita 1. | 01:27:29 | |
| So no one changes to this. | 01:27:33 | |
| Yes, we do. | 01:27:41 | |
| The railroad. | 01:27:45 | |
| Yes. So there was a question asked about where the area is, so. | 01:27:47 | |
| The problem is that we have to have you come to the microphone, but we're happy to show that. Otherwise, any questions that you | 01:27:53 | |
| have, please reserve room at the end and if you have questions about the visuals, come and ask us and we'll get that information | 01:27:58 | |
| for you just so we can carry on and and not miss it in our record. So go ahead. | 01:28:03 | |
| On the motion and if you want to pull up a map right now, we. | 01:28:09 | |
| Get prepared for that. | 01:28:14 | |
| Response. All right. I move to adopt Resolution 2023-59, approving the creation of a public infrastructure district for the West | 01:28:16 | |
| district of the Vineyard Downtown development. | 01:28:21 | |
| And we didn't need to put the stipulation in because it's already kept at that amount. | 01:28:27 | |
| OK, first by Chrissy, second by Tice. Any discussion? | 01:28:31 | |
| All right. We'll go ahead and take a roll call. | 01:28:35 | |
| Amber, hi. Yay. Marty. Christy. All right, I need a motion to adjourn. | 01:28:39 | |
| Thanks. Second by Amber, all in favor, give us a couple minutes and I'll start our next meeting. | 01:28:45 |