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mayor opened the meeting at 6:01 pm. Councilmember welsh,    2.      CONSENT ITEMS 2.1  Unified Fleet Services Vehicle Leasing Agreement (Resolution 2023-44) If the mayor or a councilmember wishes to remove an item from consent, they may do so by requesting it be removed for further discussion. The item can then be discussed and voted on as a business item. If they wish to continue an item, they need to include it in the motion.   This item includes a Resolution and requires a roll call vote.
Mayor Fullmer opened the meeting at 6:01 pm. Councilmember Welsh gave the invocation and led the Pledge of Allegiance.     2.     CONSENT ITEMS 2.1  Unified Fleet Services Vehicle Leasing Agreement (Resolution 2023-44) Mayor Fullmer called for a motion.
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Motion:COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER WELSH SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.     3.     APPOINTMENTS 3.1  Appointment to the North Pointe Solid Waste Special Service District Board (Resolution 2023-61) With the advice and consent of the City Council the mayor will appoint City Manager Eric Ellis to the North Pointe Solid Waste Special Service District Board.
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Amber    3.      APPOINTMENTS 3.1  Appointment to the North Pointe Solid Waste Special Service District Board (Resolution 2023-61) With the advice and consent of the City Council the mayor will appoint City Manager Eric Ellis to the North Pointe Solid Waste Special Service District Board. This is done by Resolution and requires a roll call vote.
Mayor Fullmer reviewed the appointment of Eric Ellis to the North Pointe Solid Waste Special Service District Board and then called for a motion.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-61, APPROVING THE MAYOR’S APPOINTMENTS AS PRESENTED TO THE NORTH POINTE SOLID WASTE SPECIAL SERVICE DISTRICT BOARD. COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   3.2  Appointment to Central Utah 911 (Resolution 2023-62) With the advice and consent of the City Council the mayor will appoint members to Central Utah 911 Committee.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE MOVED TO APPROVE THE MAYOR’S APPOINTMENTS AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.     3.2  Appointment to Central Utah 911 (Resolution 2023-62) With the advice and consent of the City Council the mayor will appoint members to Central Utah 911 Committee. This is done by Resolution and requires a roll call vote.
Mayor Fullmer reviewed the appointment of Eric Ellis to the Central Utah 911 Committee.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-62, APPROVING THE MAYOR’S APPOINTMENTS AS PRESENTED TO THE CENTRAL UTAH 911 COMMITTEE. COUNCILMEMBER WELSH SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 3.3  Planning Commission Mayor Fullmer, with the advice and consent of the council, will appoint new members to the Planning Commission.
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Tyce Cristy 3.3  Planning Commission Mayor Fullmer, with the advice and consent of the council, will appoint new members to the Planning Commission.   On alternate, Caden Rhoton, Brad Fagg. Motion to approve.
Mayor Fullmer explained that she wanted to appoint Caden Rhoton as an alternate to the Planning Commission but wanted to ask Brad Fagg and Caden Rhoton who would like to be a voting member. She then called for a motion.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN MOVED TO APPROVE BRADLEY FAGG AND CADEN RHOTON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. COUNCILMEMBER WELSH SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   PUBLIC COMMENTS
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Mayor Fullmer read a statement regarding meeting protocol. Mayor Fullmer then allowed public comments.
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Mayor Fullmer read a statement regarding meeting protocol.
Resident Keith Holdaway, living on Holdaway Road, expressed his concerns about tax incentives.
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Mayor Fullmer allowed public comments.
Resident Aubrey Bills, living in The Elms subdivision, thanked the current council for their efforts for the city. She asked about the new rules for public comments.
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Resident Keith Holdaway, living on Holdaway Road, asked about the tax incentives given to the theater and top golf. He expressed his concerns.
Resident Daria Evans, living in the Villas subdivision, also thanked the current council. She thanked the staff for the cardboard drop off provided. She commented on the loss of staff this year. She asked about the grinders on the three sewer lift stations, when the connector bridge would be seismically retrofitted, if there would be geotechnical studies on the large buildings in the new developments, and if the city was maintaining a fund to update the infrastructure. She said that she looked forward to working with Caden Rhoton and Brad Fagg on the Planning Commission. She expressed her concerns with the council decisions this past month.
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Resident Aubrey Bills, living in The Elms subdivision, thanked the current council for their efforts for the city. She asked about the new rules for public comments.
Resident Ryan Holdaway. living on Holdaway Road, agreed with Ms. Evans. He thanked Flagship for their time in helping him understand the development. He asked about the changes in the Public Infrastructure Districts from $1.5 billion to $2 billion and what else had changed in the agreement.
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Resident Daria Evans, living in the Villas subdivision, also thanked the current council. She thanked the staff for the cardboard drop off provided. She asked commented on the loss of staff this year. She asked about the grinders on the three sewer list, connector seismically, technical studies on the new developments. Maintaining a fund to update the infrastructure. She expressed her concerns with the council decisions this past month.
Resident David Lauret thanked the outgoing council for their service. He asked about the rail spur removal.
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Resident Ryan Holdaway. Living on Holdaway Road, agreed with Ms. Evans. He thanked Flagship for their time in helping him understand the development. He asked about the change from 1.5 billion to 2 billion and what else had changed in the agreement.
Resident Jeff Porter, living in The Hampton subdivision, asked about the streetlight on 20 West and 350 North.
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David Lauret thanked the outgoing council for their service. He asked about the rail spur situation.
Resident Hunter Riley read a Facebook post from a councilmember while running for election their first term. He felt that development was going fast and asked who was in control the funds in the Public Infrastructure Districts (PIDs).
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Jeff Porter living in the Hampton asked about the street light on 20 west and 350 north.
Sherrie Kaye Miller, living on Holdaway Road, asked for clarification on an ordinance passed at the previous council meeting. She expressed concern with how some of the councilmembers felt that the mayor acted without their consent. She stated that she wanted a representative government. She expressed her concern with unity and trust in the community.
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Hunter Riley read a Facebook post from a councilmember while running for election their first term. He felt that development was going fast and the protocol.  who controlled the funds in the PID?
Darlene Price, living in The Villas subdivision, agreed with the last two commenters. She expressed concerns with the PIDs and felt that the council was not listening to the residents.
Mayor Fullmer responded to the comments:   ·       Questions on the PIDs they would save answer until the PID discussions. ·       She asked Mr. Ghandour to put something together to answer Ms. Evans question on the lift stations, seismic retrofitted bridge, geotechnical studies, and the funding on infrastructure for the future. ·       Point of Clarification: Ms. Spencer clarified the difference between a special session and an emergency session for the public. ·       How the Redevelopment Agency funds worked – Mayor Fullmer explained that a PowerPoint was presented at a past RDA meeting and the city would post it to the website. ·       Railroad update – Mayor Fullmer stated that she would be making a report on the rail spur at a meeting in January. ·       Light on 20 West and 350 North – Mr. Ellis explained that the light had been determined that the light caused a safety conflict with residential driveways, so it was removed. Mayor Fullmer suggested the residents follow up with staff after the meeting. ·       New rules for public comments – Mayor Fullmer stated that she would take all of Ms. Bill’s concerns into consideration. ·       Inland port – this was a presentation for the council and residents to learn about Inland Ports and that was why the council did not hold the public hearing. ·       Ordinance passed about appointments - Mr. Blakesley clarified that the ordinance related to the appointment and removal of staff positions with the advice and consent of the council or a 4 to 1 vote. Mayor Fullmer explained how a five-member council worked.
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Sherrie Kaye Miller Holdaway road asked for clarification on a vote taken during the previous council meeting. She expressed concern with how councilmembers felt that the mayor acted without their consent. She stated that she wanted a representative government. Unity and trust in the community.
Councilmember Sifuentes read a disclosure statement.   4.     BUSINESS ITEMS 4.1  public hearing – Acquisition and Disposition of Property for the Aquatics Facility locatedin The Promenade Area (Resolution 2023-63) Staff will present a proposal to approve the acquisition and disposition of property for the recreation aquatics facility located in The Promenade area in the Downtown Vineyard District. The mayor and City Council will act to adopt (or deny) this request by resolution.   Mayor Fullmer called for a motion to open the public hearing.
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Darlene Price, living in the villas, agreed with the last two commenters. She expressed concerns with the PIDS and that the council was not listen to the residents.
Motion: COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN MOVED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:39 PM. COUNCILMEMBER Welsh SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Mayor Fullmer responded to the comments.   Sewer, seismic on the bridge… address it with the City Engineer, point of clarification. Pam clarified a special session and an emergency session. RDA works, post the PowerPoint.  Railroad update – making a report in January. 20 west 350 North Eric caused a safety conflict with residential drives. Follow up with the residents. Take all of the concerns into consideration on the new policy. Inland port was a presentation. Asked Jayme to clarify the ordinance. Related to the appointment and removal of staff positions. Nate Hutchinson
City Manager Eric Ellis explained the aquatics facility and that it would be donated to the city and the city would lease it back to a nonprofit facility.   Mayor Fullmer called for public comments.
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Jayme clarified. Mayor Fullmer explained Vineyard’s form of government and how appointments are made.
Ms. Evans asked about the optout option in the agreement.
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Resident Cole Kelly, living in the Lakefront development, asked about the nonprofit organization. Mr. Ellis reviewed the nonprofit section of the agreement. Mr. Kelly asked what nonprofit would lease the facility and who would be the decision makers.
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Resident Barbara Porter asked if it would cost money to go to the aquatics facility and who would get the funds.
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Councilmember Sifuentes read a disclosure statement. 4.      BUSINESS ITEMS 4.1  public hearing – Acquisition and Disposition of Property for the Aquatics Facility locatedin The Promenade Area (Resolution 2023-63) Staff will present a proposal to approve the acquisition and disposition of property for the recreation aquatics facility located in The Promenade area in the Downtown Vineyard District. The mayor and City Council will act to adopt (or deny) this request by resolution. This is done by Resolution and requires a roll call vote. Please ask those wishing to speak to go to the podium, state their name, and where they live.
Ms. Price asked about the promenade area.
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Resident Karen Cornelius asked if this was meant to supersede or replace the Vineyard Rec center.   Mayor Fullmer called for a motion to close the public hearing.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER WELSH MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:45 PM. COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN MOVED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:39 PM. COUNCILMEMBER welsh SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mayor Fullmer asked Nate Hutchinson with Flagborough to address the questions.
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Eric Ellis explained that the aquatics facility and that it would be donated to the city and the city would lease it back to a nonprofit facility.
Mr. Hutchinson explained that there would be no paid members of the nonprofit from Flagborough or Woodbury. He explained how the facility would work and that there would be a fee for residents to use the facility and maintain the park. He explained where the promenade would be located.
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Daria Evans asked about article 2.2A at least 5 years prior…. She asked about the opt-out option and who would pay for it after the 25 years.
Community Development Director Morgan Brim explained that there would be a cultural/ community center located on the Gammon Park property. Mr. Hutchinson continued his explanation of the aquatics facility.
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Cole Kelly, asked about the nonprofit organization. Eric reviewed the nonprofit section of the agreement. Cole asked who the nonprofit and who would be the decision makers.
Mr. Blakesley clarified the terms of the agreement and the opt-out period.
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Barbara Porter, asked if it would cost money to go to the aquatics facility and who would get the funds.
Mayor Fullmer called for comments or a motion.
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Darlene Price asked about the promenade read.
Councilmember Welsh reviewed the visions for a community center for Vineyard residents only. She added that she was excited about the aquatic facility
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Karen Cornelius asked if this was meant to supersede or replace the Vineyard Rec center.
Motion: COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-63 APPROVING THE CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT AND LEASE AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS FOR THE PROMENADE AQUATICS FACILITY AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER WELSH SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 4.2  DISCUSSION AND ACTION – East District: The Creation of Public Infrastructure District (Resolution 2023-58) (A public hearing was held for this item during the December 13, 2027 City Council Meeting.) City Attorney Jayme Blakesly will present the proposed creation of five Public Infrastructure Districts (the “Proposed Districts”) and to allow for public input on (i) whether the requested service (described below) is needed in the area of the Proposed Districts, (ii) whether the service should be provided by the City or the Proposed Districts, and (iii) all other matters relating to the Proposed Districts. The mayor and City Council will act to adopt (or deny) this request by resolution. (This item was continued from the December 13, 2023 City Council meeting.)
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER WELSH MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:45 PM. COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Blakesley gave a brief overview of what a Public Infrastructure District (PID) was, and the terms in the governing documents. He explained that the dollar amount of the PIDs was not being increased, how the funding worked and that it was not redirecting existing tax revenues.
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Mayor Fullmer reviewed the questions…   Nate, explained that there would no paid members from Flagborough or Woodbury. He explained how the facility would work.
Ms. Price asked if the PIDs would have height restrictions or where the massing for the building would occur. Mr. Blakesley replied that the PID documents did not do any land use work.
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Mayor Fullmer reiterated Nate’s comments. What happens with the opt-out period?
Mr. Hutchinson gave a brief overview of the meeting thy held with residents about the PIDS.
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Jayme clarified the terms of the agreement.
Mayor Fullmer asked for clarification about representation on the PID Board. Mr. Blakesley explained the terms of the agreement.
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Mayor Fullmer called for comments or a motion.
Councilmember Sifuentes asked if the council would be able to see the funds that were coming in. Mr. Blakesley explained that the PIDs would that there would be annual reporting, and quarterly on their budget and expenses. The PIDs would have to follow noticing requirements for budgets and other public processes.
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Councilmember Welsh addressed reviewed the possibility of community center for Vineyard residents instead of a rec center. She stated that she was excited about the aquatic facility
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Councilmember Sifuentes asked for clarification on the PID amounts. Mr. Blakesley replied that they would need to clarify it in the motion.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-63 AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER WELSH SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 4.2  DISCUSSION AND ACTION – East District: The Creation of Public Infrastructure District (Resolution 2023-58) (A public hearing was held for this item during the December 13, 2027 City Council Meeting.) City Attorney Jayme Blakesly will present the proposed creation of five Public Infrastructure Districts (the “Proposed Districts”) and to allow for public input on (i) whether the requested service (described below) is needed in the area of the Proposed Districts, (ii) whether the service should be provided by the City or the Proposed Districts, and (iii) all other matters relating to the Proposed Districts. The mayor and City Council will act to adopt (or deny) this request by resolution. (This item was continued from the December 13, 2023 City Council meeting.) This is done by Resolution and requires a roll call vote.
Motion: COUNCILMEMBER WELSH MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-58, APPROVING THE CREATION OF A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE DISTRICT FOR THE EAST DISTRICT OF THE VINEYARD DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CAP AT $500 MILLION. COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   4.3  DISCUSSION AND ACTION – West District: The Creation of Public Infrastructure District (Resolution 2023-59)(A public hearing was held for this item during the December 13, 2027 City Council Meeting.) City Attorney Jayme Blakesly will present the proposed creation of five Public Infrastructure Districts (the “Proposed Districts”) and to allow for public input on (i) whether the requested service (described below) is needed in the area of the Proposed Districts, (ii) whether the service should be provided by the City or the Proposed Districts, and (iii) all other matters relating to the Proposed Districts. The mayor and City Council will act to adopt (or deny) this request by resolution. (This item was continued from the December 13, 2023 City Council meeting.)
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Mr. Blakesley reviewed the differences between the two PIDs, which were the dollar amount cap at $1 billion and the property boundaries. There was a brief discussion about the location.
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Mr. Blakesley gave a brief overview of what a Public Infrastructure District (PID) was, and the terms in the governing documents. He addressed the comment of about the amount of the PIDS.   Darlene Price asked if the PIDs would restrict heights in the development. Mr. Blakesley replied that they would not.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER WELSH MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2023-59, APPROVING THE CREATION OF A PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE DISTRICT FOR THE WEST DISTRICT OF THE VINEYARD DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT. COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.     5.     ADJOURNMENT Mayor Fullmer called for a motion to adjourn the meeting.
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Mr. Hutchinson gave a brief overview of the meeting thy held with residents about the PIDS.
Motion: COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 7:30 PM. COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   MINUTES APPROVED ON:    January 24, 2024                   CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:   /s/Pamela Spencer Pamela Spencer, CIty Recorder
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Mayor Fullmer asked for clarification on the representation on the PID Board. Mr. Blakesley explained the terms of the agreement.
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Today is Wednesday, December 27th, 2023. I'm going to ask everybody to write down the time is 6 O1 and we're going to get this 00:00:10
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We'll go ahead and start with an invocation, inspirational thought and Pledge of Allegiance, and that will be offered by 00:00:22
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All right. With your heavenly Father. We're very grateful to be gathered here this evening. 00:00:32
Residents and council and staff of Vineyard City and we're grateful. 00:00:40
Be able to think about. 00:00:48
Where we live and. 00:00:52
Make thoughtful decisions and. 00:00:55
Pray that we will do so tonight and. 00:00:58
We pray for those in our community who are serving as first responders, military. 00:01:02
We're grateful for their. 00:01:11
Especially at this time. 00:01:13
Grateful for our very many blessings and grateful. 00:01:17
In this beautiful city, in our state and in this country, and say these things anyone of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:01:20
All right, That brings us right into our consent agenda. 00:01:35
Unless there are any questions or need for discussion, I just need a motion. 00:01:50
I move to approve the consent items as presented. 00:01:57
Second first by Amber, second by Christy. All in favor. 00:02:00
OK, Amber. Aye. Yay, Marty. Yay, Krusty. All right. 00:02:05
We have a few appointments that we need to do. As I recall, our North Point Solid Waste Special Service District Board was a 00:02:12
member was our last city manager. I would like to change that and appoint our new City Manager. 00:02:19
Does anybody have any questions about that? 00:02:27
Position. Otherwise I need a motion. 00:02:29
We adopt Resolution 2023-61, approaching the Mayor's appointments as presented to dissolve those Special Service District. Thank 00:02:33
you, Tye. Second, Second by Amber. Does this need a roll call? Tice, Amber, Aye. Yay, And Marty Christy. All right. 00:02:41
3.2 is the appointment to the Central Utah 911 resolution 20/23/62 This is a similar situation. Do you guys have any questions 00:02:50
about this? 00:02:55
I need a motion. 00:03:03
There are going to be that resolution 2023 Dash 62. 00:03:05
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First by tight second. Second by Christy Tice, Amber I. Yay Marty. Yay Christy okay, Planning Commission. 00:03:13
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Two people as well. I have one person that I would like to add as an alternate. 00:03:24
Potentially as a permanent seat, dissipating Roton. 00:03:30
And then I have somebody that's an alternate potentially moving to a permanent seat, Bradley. 00:03:33
I want to go and call them and ask them which one would like to move into those positions. Do you guys feel comfortable with 00:03:38
either of them being in a permanent seat and either of them being in an alternate? 00:03:43
OK then can I get a motion to approve them for those positions? 00:03:49
I move to approve Bradley Vad and Keaton Rosen to the Planning Commission. 00:03:56
Second, First by Amber, Second by Christy. All in favor? Aye? All right. 00:04:00
Let's see. Hold on one second. 00:04:09
One second before that happens. 00:04:13
I have a quick legal question I have to ask. 00:04:17
Nathan. 00:04:37
All right, I have something that I'm going to quickly read so that I can allow for some public comments. 00:04:39
To ensure residents have an opportunity to address the Council, we ask all persons presenting to the City Council to speak in a 00:05:23
civil manner with due respect for the decorum of the meeting and with due respect for all persons attending. The following 00:05:27
policies shall apply. 00:05:32
OK, recognize to speak. No member of the public shall speak until recognized by the mayor. Speakers will be called in the order 00:05:38
they registered or queued behind the lectern. 00:05:43
If a representative is elected to speak for a group, we will discuss that at that time. Otherwise, if you agree with somebody, you 00:06:20
can always raise your hand, or you can also just state quickly that you have agreed. 00:06:26
Speakers that have come before you. 00:06:32
Speakers will be called in the order that they're queued. As I mentioned, when you are recognized, come here, state your name, 00:06:35
where you're from, and then proceed with your comment. We'll encourage open and honest dialogue. However, we also expect stability 00:06:41
and respect in all comments and interactions. Personal attacks, profanity, or disruptor behavior will not be tolerated. Please 00:06:47
keep your comments relevant to City business. Comments shall be limited to matters of fact regarding the issue of concern, if you 00:06:53
prefer not to speak. 00:06:59
Or if the time run runs out, written comments are welcome and they can be submitted to the city recorder and will include them in 00:07:05
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If a previous speaker has made a point already, please do not repeat the same information. You may simply state your agreement 00:07:13
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No individual may address the City Council more than once during a single public comment period or public hearing. If you have a 00:07:23
question, we will take note and try to provide answers either during this meeting or at a later time. Public comment theories and 00:07:30
public hearings are not a time to depose elected officials or city staff once all residents have had a chance to speak or. 00:07:37
Or the allocated time for the public comment session or public hearings has ended. The public comment period or public hearing 00:07:44
will be closed. The council members and city staff will not respond during the public comment period. This time is for the City 00:07:49
Council to listen to your views. The council may address specific points raised after the conclusion of the public comment period 00:07:54
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Is everybody feel comfortable with that? Any members of the public interrupting City Council proceedings during? 00:08:06
Or approaching the bench without permission. Otherwise, creating a disturbance or failing to abide by these rules or procedures, 00:08:13
and addressing the City Council shall be deemed to have disrupted a public meeting and, at the direction of the Mayor, shall be 00:08:18
removed from the City Council chambers by our Police Department or personnel. 00:08:24
Or another agent is designated by the City Council or City Manager. Thank you for your participation and for adhering to these 00:08:30
guidelines. Your input is valuable in shaping the future of Vineyard and so we will go ahead and open our public comment. 00:08:37
If you have a public comment about anything that is not on the agenda or on the agenda but not notice, please come and state your 00:08:45
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I'm Keith Holdaway. I live on Holdaway Road and Vineyard. 00:09:02
For about 100 years. 00:09:07
And I I I have a few questions that I'd like to ask the Council. 00:09:10
Did we really give the? 00:09:18
Theater and and the Top Golf. 00:09:20
Thing 25 years of free taxes. 00:09:24
Anybody want to speak up for all of you? Sorry, nobody will be giving answers during this time. We'll do it after the public. 00:09:29
OK, I'll wait for your answer. Because if I. 00:09:37
As I understand that they were given 25 year per. 00:09:39
Free, free taxes. 00:09:43
And the theater that this year paid pay taxes to Vineyard. But Vineyard? 00:09:45
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Reimburse them 980,000. 00:09:52
Is that is that really what we want to do with our tax money? 00:09:57
When we have tax. 00:10:02
Areas that. 00:10:04
I've told you this before, held sacred for a long time. And then we give them away. 00:10:06
Is that is that really what we want to do so so we everybody in the citizenry can pay more taxes because we have less in our town 00:10:11
cop. 00:10:17
I think that's really. 00:10:23
I'm really sad about that. 00:10:25
And that is absolutely wrong to do. 00:10:27
In 25 years. 00:10:30
There'll be advancements in computer and. 00:10:32
Facilities will grow old. Top Top Golf will be ready to tear down and do it again. 00:10:36
The electronics will be obsolete by then. They'll be new. Brand brand new. 00:10:44
Things that will come along and it'll change everything. And what have we received for it? Not a dime. 00:10:49
As a. 00:10:56
To me, that's really a sad situation, and we ought to be more responsible than that. I've said before we should never let a dime 00:10:58
of taxpayer money go, nor should we pave the way for these developers, whether it's top golf, the theater or anything else on the 00:11:04
North Side. 00:11:10
We don't need to pay the way pave the way for developers. That's up to them. 00:11:17
I would have rather seen us rather than give away 25. 00:11:22
Years of tax free. Let that ground sit. We sit in the middle of Utah Valley. 00:11:27
This is valuable. 00:11:33
And if you think that nothing's going to want to come here, we're sadly mistaken as a community, because they will. 00:11:36
They. 00:11:44
We just don't need to rush into it and we don't need to put down a silver lining on the ground for developers. 00:11:46
Because things will come and it'll come good. We just have to be patient. We have not been patient. 00:11:53
We have not been conservative, which I believe this area has been forever. 00:12:01
So I, I, I beg of you to take time. I'm very. I'm very sad about the rush. 24 hour minute notice. All right. It looks like your 00:12:06
time is up. Thank you, Keith. You all know how I feel. Thanks. 00:12:13
Hi, my name is Aubrey Bills and I live in the Elms and since this is our last meeting with this current council, I just wanted to 00:12:25
take a second. 00:12:29
Just publicly thank each of you for your efforts on behalf of our city. 00:12:34
I know we'll be missing losing 2 of you and um. 00:12:40
You both and all of you have done so much for our city, and I know that whether we agree with all the decisions that you've made 00:12:44
or not, I know that the sacrifices that you've made in time with your family. 00:12:50
And time on your, you know, personal pursuits and professional pursuits has been Imm. 00:12:57
And there have been lots of hours of unpaid are very underpaid hours of work that you've put in. 00:13:01
Umm, So I just wanted to publicly thank you for those efforts. 00:13:08
Let you know that you're appreciated by one of the citizens of the city at least, and I know there are many more. 00:13:12
I did have a. 00:13:19
Questions that I know you won't answer right away. Umm. 00:13:20
I'm wondering if with the new rules kind of on public. 00:13:25
If I understand that if I have comments that I want to send and I'm supposed to do those in advance of the meeting. So if my 3 00:13:30
minutes is up and I have more than I want to say, am I allowed to send in comments that will then be put? 00:13:37
On the agenda or is that? 00:13:43
Not allowed because it needs to be done beforehand, so I would love clarification on that. 00:13:46
And then also. 00:13:52
With only 15 minutes to speak that and the three minutes per person that only last five people to speak for public comment, I'm 00:13:56
wondering if we might sometimes need more of that, more more than that time. I know you guys have had meetings go way too long, so 00:14:01
I understand there needs to be a limit, but if is there a way to extend that, if there is a, if a reason comes up that there that 00:14:07
that would need to be done? And also if people are raising their hands when they agree, is that going to be taken note of in some 00:14:13
way? 00:14:19
Counting those or is that just we just assume that you're seeing us or we'll wave until you do or anything like that, I'd love to 00:14:26
know. 00:14:29
Kind of your thoughts on that? 00:14:33
And I am concerned that there won't be any back and forth with the City Council if there are questions because there might be 00:14:37
follow up questions and if the three minutes is out and we didn't quite get clarification. 00:14:41
I would love to know any ideas on how we. 00:14:47
That better in case there needs to be some back and forth. And a visual timer might be helpful too, just so people know how long 00:14:50
they have. So thank you. 00:14:54
Thanks. 00:14:58
Daria Evans, Indian resident. I too would like to echo her sentiments. Thank you very much for you. 00:15:06
This past term 4. 00:15:13
You've done a lot and I appreciate. 00:15:17
I don't want to be disagreeable. 00:15:20
Do you have some disagreements with way things have gone on, But first. 00:15:23
I want to thank you. 00:15:28
Staff for providing the drop off for the cardboard from all our packages that we received at Christmas. We took advantage of that 00:15:30
today. 00:15:35
And that was a great service that you're providing our community. 00:15:40
You might not think it's very much, but we appreciate it. So thank you also. 00:15:43
I'd like to. 00:15:50
Be clarified on Is David Mortensen leaving? I have read that. 00:15:53
And I would just like to thank him as being our finance Director. We've lost several wonderful people this last year. 00:15:58
Brian Perez, Catherine Newman, Bethany V and Ezra Near wonderful employees of the city and appreciate all their efforts. 00:16:06
I have some questions. 00:16:18
Do we have our grinders on our three sewer lifts installed yet? 00:16:21
And our weight on our stations And when will the vineyard connector bridge be size seismically retrofitted? 00:16:27
Are we having? 00:16:38
Extensive geotechnical. 00:16:40
On these large buildings that will be coming in our new developments. 00:16:42
And are we maintaining a fun? 00:16:47
To timely replace and update infrastructure. Those are some of my questions. 00:16:50
I'd like to. 00:16:57
Express appreciation to Kaden Roten and Brad Bag coming onto the Planning Commission. 00:17:00
It'll be fun to work with. Visit with them. I've really enjoyed coming to these meetings this last little while. 00:17:07
I am. 00:17:15
Have participated in many things that my time is up almost 45 seconds. 00:17:17
But this last two months of City Council and Planning Commission meetings combined. 00:17:22
It's been a very big disappointment to me. 00:17:28
The audience and the. 00:17:31
You know, I obeyed the rules. I raised my hand and I don't feel like I was listening to, you know, I felt like I was thrown under 00:17:34
the front. 00:17:39
Not just the best, the front. 00:17:44
And I was very disappointed. 00:17:47
And the way things have come about, I don't really think we need this meeting. This is not an emergency to me. An emergency is a 00:17:51
life or death situation. 00:17:56
And I will have some questions during the public hearing. Thank you. Can we do a point of clarification? 00:18:01
Are you OK with that? 00:18:08
On emergency meeting. 00:18:10
To form a special session. 00:18:12
So we do it after this. 00:18:15
Ryan, Holdaway resident I'm going to try and play by the roles I agree with. 00:18:23
What? Sorry, I said. So appreciate it. 00:18:27
And umm. 00:18:31
I want to take time to thank the developers Flagship for spending time past the week helping us understand the pit and the way 00:18:32
they're structuring it. 00:18:36
I did notice in my reading, and thank you to the Council for posting that several days in advance too, on the 21st. That was very 00:18:42
nice to give us time to read that. 00:18:46
I did notice a couple things based on my understanding that had changed from our last meeting to today and one of the major ones 00:18:51
was it went from my understanding again, 1.5 billion billion dollars. 00:18:57
Seeking to 2 billion on page 69 and page 100. It was a billion for each now. 00:19:02
So I'm curious what else has? 00:19:08
I'm not a legal scholar, I haven't. I didn't have access to the documents before, so I'd really like to know what has changed so. 00:19:11
Because when we met in our information session on Saturday morning. 00:19:17
That was still 1.5 S would really like some clarification there and I understand we're not going to have a public commentary on 00:19:21
the pits tonight, so I wanted to make sure that that. 00:19:26
Portland was made, but again, thank you for your time. 00:19:32
Hi, David Loray, can you. 00:19:41
Thanks for your service folks. Appreciate it. 00:19:44
Those are, it's been a long, long haul and it's it's hard to do public service and so thank you. 00:19:47
We're doing it. I have a couple questions. 00:19:53
A long time. So we had a report about the railroad situation. We know we're we want to remove the tracks along Geneva Road and I, 00:19:56
as I understand it there that there was some negotiations finalized with the railroad. 00:20:03
Some years ago about. 00:20:10
Some tracks that I may relocate in the north of. 00:20:12
Before that could be taken. 00:20:15
And. 00:20:17
And then so can you give us a report on where that is, what the schedule is to get us to a point where we would have those tracks 00:20:18
removed so that we can begin putting businesses along that stretch of Rd. Thank you. 00:20:24
Add Jeff Porter. My wife and I live in Hampton. And just a couple of things. 00:20:36
This kind of off topic but I want. 00:20:42
I have a comment. My wife and I were delivering Christmas goodies about a week ago and we noticed the street light is gone. 00:20:45
From 20 W and 3:50. 00:20:52
And the bolts are sticking up out of the concrete and the lights just gone and we don't want to. 00:20:54
If what happened to it and if it's going to come back? 00:20:59
So that's one question. 00:21:03
Is that something that you can answer now or do you even know about it? Or? 00:21:06
That will address comments at the endings. OK, that's all I have for tonight. 00:21:11
My name is Hunter Riley. I'm Nate Riley's. 00:21:22
I want to read something that is. 00:21:26
Important, it says. It's from a Facebook post made by a city a sitting council member. 00:21:30
So I'm concerned with the apparent lack of process. 00:21:37
I thought I made my stance very clear in the last Council meeting, but I'm concerned that the need for speed is still pushing the 00:21:41
agenda. 00:21:44
Not the need for a well developed and thought out agreement. I will not vote for an agreement presented to me just prior to the 00:21:48
meeting. 00:21:51
This is a stance one of the council members made. 00:21:54
While running for election our first term. 00:21:57
We all know what happens when things are rushed. 00:22:01
Building houses. 00:22:05
Development. Anything else rushed things go. 00:22:07
Errors are made this whole process over the last month. 00:22:09
Things are going very fast and. 00:22:15
Processes are not. 00:22:17
One of the questions I have. 00:22:20
Who is on the Who's control of the Who's in control of the fund? 00:22:23
In the PID? The developer? Who else? 00:22:28
That is taxpayer money. 00:22:31
And that if it wasn't going to, the developer would be coming to. 00:22:34
The counselor. 00:22:39
And so as that is given back to the developer. 00:22:41
From Is there a process that the city can see what the developer is spending the money on? 00:22:44
Is the developer pocketing the money or is it going back to Rose? Is it going to infrastructure? How is that tax money? Police. 00:22:50
By the city, even though it's not coming back to the city's PO. 00:22:58
Thank you. 00:23:02
This will be our last comment. 00:23:08
Sure, I came on a resident. I hope everyone had a joyful Christmas. 00:23:11
I'm here today to ask a question for clarification. In last weeks or the 13th meeting we had the. 00:23:16
Fill in port of heads and somewhere in the middle there was a vote taken. 00:23:26
That I'm wanting to have clarification for as far as. 00:23:32
The voting of the council members and with Julia it sounded like that. 00:23:37
You had to have 4 council members disagree with you in order to. 00:23:43
Have something. 00:23:49
Pass and I don't know if that's accurate or not, but I wanted to follow up on that because I have a real. 00:23:51
Concern about council members not knowing or wanting or advocating their responsibilities so. 00:23:57
In a in a 2. 00:24:04
One on the day that I had read about the inland port, I called Tice because he's one of the people I met when we moved back, 00:24:07
asking him about just clarification, just to ask questions. 00:24:13
And his response to me was, I don't know anything about it. 00:24:19
He was telling me that I was probably thinking about the OR hearing about the drone port. 00:24:23
Think my microphone just went out. 00:24:29
Anyway, and we talked for a little while. 00:24:32
We said goodbye. 00:24:37
When he thought he had hung up, he hadn't hung up, and I heard him use the words. 00:24:38
Oh, the forces are out, Jake. 00:24:44
And I tried to interrupt, and I said, Ty hello, hello. And then I heard his wife Linda say. 00:24:48
Oh no. 00:24:54
The phone hung up and all of a sudden I realized. 00:24:56
I felt like I was being. 00:25:01
Disregarded and that really hurt. The other thing is, and I have worked with Christie, I respect Christy and what we've done, but 00:25:05
when she asked me on August 5th to support her for campaign. 00:25:11
I asked if I could meet her in person so we could talk and the one question that I had. 00:25:19
Was how you felt about the mayor acting without your knowledge. 00:25:24
With the. 00:25:29
And you gave an. 00:25:31
But the answer ended by saying I've made peace with us. My big concern with all of these things, sandwich Dan, is that I really 00:25:33
want to have a representative government. I. 00:25:40
And I want to say this Marty was the only one who did not vote to give the mayor. 00:25:47
Extra power. So anyway, I am really concerned about the unity and the trust in our community. I I don't like what I feel, what I 00:25:54
hear people making comments. 00:26:00
I would like to be able to have some solutions. 00:26:06
And I appreciate more time with agendas. I think transparency and honesty is what we really need in order for us to move forward, 00:26:10
and I would appreciate. 00:26:15
Some comment, clarifications about that vote. Thank you thank you public. The public comment period is now closed. 00:26:21
We will. Well, I had announced that there was a last comment. I don't mind if you come up, this will be our last. 00:26:29
Because I signed your paper and said I wanted to comment. 00:26:38
My name is Darlene Price. I live in the. 00:26:42
This is our third year. We came when Covad was running rampant and we didn't meet anybody during that. 00:26:46
Umm, since then I've been at several council. 00:26:54
I am would like to applaud the last three people that spoke. 00:26:58
With about transparency and about some of the decisions that were rushed through. 00:27:03
Comment from one of. 00:27:10
Leaders about being transparent and then. 00:27:12
And what? 00:27:16
Here's my question. 00:27:17
My understanding is I have researched the PID. 00:27:20
Is that they are a quasi political. 00:27:23
Group with no representation. 00:27:27
The community, there's nobody on that board and with that power they have the ability to tax and raise taxes and we have no say in 00:27:30
it. 00:27:35
Now I don't know if you remember your history. 00:27:40
But we had a big problem with taxation without representation. 00:27:42
And I feel that strongly this is the same thing. 00:27:46
We are giving property to people and developers. 00:27:50
With no representation on that and I find. 00:27:54
I find that anti American. 00:27:58
Where our country was not based on that representation, in fact, I think they threw tea. 00:28:00
And a harbor to complain about that. And I don't have tea and we don't have a harbor, but we do have a lake. 00:28:06
I appreciate the effort that you. 00:28:13
I appreciate the fact that you are trying to do the right thing, but I don't see it being done. 00:28:16
And I am concerned about. 00:28:21
That you don't listen and. 00:28:23
What your constituents say? 00:28:26
Thank you. 00:28:29
All right. We'll go ahead and close out of that public hearing and we'll address some of these things. 00:28:31
For anybody that had questions on the PID, I'm going to reserve that. 00:28:37
For answering your comments during the time that we discussed the PIC. 00:28:41
Let's see there. 00:28:47
There were some questions on grinders on the three store list, the seismically retrofitted bridge video studies and the funding on 00:28:50
infrastructure for the future. 00:28:55
And that was by Daria. Let's go ahead and get something put together for Daria and we'll address that. So Daria, if you could meet 00:29:01
up with our engineer and he will contact you on that. 00:29:07
You had a point of clarification on an emergency versus. 00:29:13
Pam. 00:29:17
Just a point of clarification because I've had this commented more than one time. Just to clarify that this is a special session. 00:29:22
Special session falls into meeting that 24 hour plus requirement for noticing or an emergency session does not fall into that and 00:29:29
so this is actually a special session that was noticed. 00:29:36
A couple weeks ago, so I just wanted to clarify that for everybody. 00:29:44
Thank you. We had a question about the RDA and how the RDA works. This was by. 00:29:49
He was talking about how we prod. 00:29:56
RDA. 00:30:00
I don't know if he's, I think the best opportunity here. There was a presentation done that explains the RDA and how those funds 00:30:02
work. I will have that put together and maybe we can post. 00:30:08
As well as send it to you so that that can be understood a little bit better. You had questions on two properties. 00:30:16
You had one about on the megaplex, which I think was put in somewhere around 2014, 2015 and then I believe also the yard and we'll 00:30:22
all include that in the description that's sent to you. And then if people have questions about that, we can post that and make 00:30:27
that available for others as well. 00:30:33
Yes, in the yard, top off. Thank you. And then we will, let's see. 00:30:42
Let me just make sure that I got everything. 00:30:49
The railroad report, David, this is great. We're actually about to have a report that comes in. So I will get back to you on the 00:30:55
next. 00:30:59
I don't even oversee it, but oh, there you are. I will have, I'm going to be making a report in January. So that's going to 00:31:04
address that and. 00:31:09
I'll thank you. Then let's see, 20 W 3350 N the light is gone. Did you have any commentary on that? You were holding a quick 00:31:14
report on that, thanks to the scene. So a light on 20 W and 350 N was identified to cause a safety conflict with residential 00:31:23
driveways right there. And as a result of that, it was determined to remove that to avoid that safety concern. 00:31:32
OK. 00:31:41
So my commentary on this, Eric, would be that if there's further comments on this, you could follow up with the residents with the 00:31:43
porters that had experienced this with us. If there's any commentary on needing additional lighting or anything like that, you can 00:31:48
address it after this meeting. 00:31:53
Great. No, not right now. Not right now. I'm sorry. 00:31:59
Not right now. We'll address it after this meeting, but we will address safety. So just make sure that you touch base with us and 00:32:03
I will. I'll circle that as an issue. 00:32:08
OK, let's see. 00:32:13
I was pleased. 00:32:21
Yes, Aubrey's question, Aubrey, I will take all of those things into consideration and go back to council and see what is 00:32:26
possible. 00:32:30
With our, with this policy we're putting in. Thank you for making those comments. 00:32:34
OK, let's see. The point of clarification on the meeting was done by Pam. The inland port was a presentation. I know that they 00:32:40
came onto the agenda and it felt fast. And it was fast because it was a presentation and it was for all of us to learn about. So 00:32:45
nobody really on the council knew much about it. We wanted to learn more about the unimportant, what that had to offer to the 00:32:50
city. 00:32:55
And that's something that we do is that we bring information to the table, we get to learn about it, we get to ask our questions 00:33:01
and then we go and we have further commentary after that. So that is why we didn't follow the public hearing because it was a 00:33:06
presentation, but we did have to notice it that way. 00:33:12
Let's see. Voting council ordinances. Something not best. Jamie, did you want to clarify or help explain the ordinance that was 00:33:18
passed last time about appointments? 00:33:24
There were some misunderstanding about what it was and I believe the comment was that now the Council. 00:33:30
Doesn't get to vote on things that I'm voting on or it takes all of the council to vote against the things I'm saying. Kind of 00:33:38
like the veto. 00:33:42
So would you mind doing that? I, I, I think now with respect I'll let the terms of the ordinance speak for itself, but I I think 00:33:48
what it related to was. 00:33:53
The positions that were appointed, how they would be appointed, and then how they would be removed. And the way the ordinance read 00:34:00
is that appointments were. 00:34:04
The advice and consent of the council. So the mayor puts forward an appointment for those positions. 00:34:09
With the majority vote of the council, person would be confirmed into that position. Removal would be done either with. 00:34:14
Your vote as part of a majority. 00:34:22
Or a vote of four to one against the mayor. 00:34:25
If your vote was not included. 00:34:28
Also, I think it's just important that we talk about our form of government, our form of government since the incorporation was a 00:34:32
5 member council and that puts appointment power with the mayor and I. 00:34:38
What we did by adding these appointments to this. 00:34:45
Ordinance was that the finance director is actually required to be an appointment and the engineer eventually will become 00:34:51
something that's required as our city grows. So we were updating that and we felt like as we go through appointments right now, I 00:34:57
do a lot of appointments. You saw some with the Planning Commission. 00:35:03
And I say this is who I would like to have be on the Planning Commission and then the Council can vote with me or vote against me. 00:35:10
And since it's my appointment, it would take them saying no through those same appointment powers. And so that same terminology 00:35:17
was used and we just clarified the removal process within our code so that it was clear. 00:35:25
And we'll go ahead and move on to the next item on our agenda. 00:35:32
And that is. 00:35:38
Business item as before we move into the business items, thank you. We will have a quick disclosure by Marty. 00:35:39
OK, so I work for my dad's company and my dad's company is a data cabling company. 00:35:46
And we work as subcontractors for a company or for several companies, but one of the companies specifically that we work with 00:35:53
often. 00:35:58
Works as a contractor for Flagship and Woodbury on certain occasions and so I wanted to be abundantly cautious and disclose that 00:36:03
every now and then the company I work for. 00:36:10
Through once removed works for Flagship and Woodbury. Sorry, I'm like all the attention on me. 00:36:19
That being said. 00:36:28
I'm a salary employee that doesn't receive any kind of. 00:36:30
Pay, increase or Commission. And we actually don't get paid directly by Flagship or Woodbury. And in the two years I've been on 00:36:34
council, there's been one occasion for both companies, one I actually didn't realize until recently. 00:36:42
So I just wanted to I have a letter specifically if people are concerned. 00:36:50
I just didn't want there to be any confusion or question. 00:36:57
My position and my ethics on this council. That's great. Thank you. OK. 00:37:01
Let's see. 00:37:09
OK. Well, we'll go ahead and we'll move into our public hearing, unless Council, did you have any reports that you wanted to say? 00:37:15
No, no, Marty, did you have? 00:37:23
OK. We'll go ahead and move into our public hearing. This is the acquisition and disposition of property for the aquatic facility 00:37:27
located in the Promenade area. This was the this was noticed on the 12th of December for this meeting. 00:37:33
I will start by going into a public hearing and then we'll have to. 00:37:41
I need a motion. I move to open the public hearing. Thank you, Amber. 00:37:46
Second, by Christy. All in favor? Aye? All right. 00:37:51
Staff go for it. OK, so this is the Aquatic Center that. 00:37:58
Flag Borough is. 00:38:05
To build a resort pool type facility in the block five of the lake promenade. 00:38:07
It'll include multiple pools, the splash pad, a restaurant, indoor facilities and a lawn area. 00:38:14
The Aquatics facility, when completed, will be donated to the city, and the city will lease that facility back to a nonprofit 00:38:22
organization. 00:38:27
The annual fiscal impact of this will be $100 a year. 00:38:34
Lease agreement. 00:38:40
And staff recommends approving this lease maintenance agreement and Promenade Aquatics facility lease agreement. 00:38:42
OK. Are there any questions by the public? If so, please come up. State your name. Ask your question. 00:38:51
I set a timer. We're going to try to wrap this up in 30 minutes, but come on up and if you have. 00:38:59
Try to address it one time, because we're going to try to give everybody an opportunity to speak by allowing people to have one 00:39:06
comment each and stay on target and task. 00:39:11
Vineyard resident OK, I just have. 00:39:18
About Article 2 in the extension options 2.2. 00:39:22
And it says at least five years prior to the expiration of the initial term or extension term as applicable, the tenant may send 00:39:29
notice to landlord that the tenant will not elect to extend the term of the lease. 00:39:35
OK. So I'm thinking, OK, it's 25 year lease, is that correct? 00:39:42
OK. So at 20 years they can opt out of that? 00:39:46
And so I want to know who is going to be paying for. 00:39:50
After the 20 years if they decide not to extend. 00:39:56
And you decide not to close it down because you have that option to close it. 00:40:00
So I want to know where that money is coming from to. 00:40:05
Pay for it. 00:40:10
Thank you, Daria. 00:40:12
Excuse me, Eric, could you do you mind repeating what you said about My name is Paul Kelly, resident of Vineyard. 00:40:16
What you said about the nonprofit organization and how the nonprofit is involved. 00:40:23
That's fine. We can repeat it just so he can ask his question. 00:40:31
Yeah, so the the as soon as the project is completed. 00:40:34
That project will be donated to. 00:40:39
The city. 00:40:42
Lease that back to a nonprofit organization that Flagborough will. 00:40:44
Do we know what the nonprofit organization is right now? 00:40:49
Or is it an anonymous nonprofit? 00:40:54
It would be established for the purpose of of managing that facility. 00:40:57
So we don't know what the nonprofit is right now. It would be established. Paul, is that your only question? I'll write that 00:41:01
question down and then we'll answer it. Do you have further questions? If there is a change in it, it's a point of clarification, 00:41:06
understanding who's on the board of that nonprofit then? 00:41:12
Who are the decision makers for that nonprofit organization? 00:41:18
So that's I'm just trying to get to the bottom of. 00:41:22
Part of part of my concern that I keep seeing is is I keep seeing these public private partnerships. 00:41:27
Where nonprofits, I run a nonprofit. I call it Metal Wrestling. 00:41:34
OK, it's set up as a 501C3 nonprofit. Doesn't mean nobody makes money. 00:41:39
So you know. 00:41:45
Money shifts hands, moves from here to there and where's it going and who's getting paid and and we'd like to know that. 00:41:48
OK. Thank you. 00:41:55
Barbara Porter, resident of. 00:42:02
So my question. 00:42:07
Is it going to cost money to go to the Aquatic Center? 00:42:10
And who's going to keep the money and who's going to maintain? 00:42:14
And so who will be paying for that? 00:42:20
Because it's kind of not clear if you're getting it back to this. 00:42:23
City is the city maintaining is the city getting the funds. 00:42:27
How much is it going to be? 00:42:31
Then because it is our city, do we get a discount if everything? 00:42:33
So just a little bit more information would be awesome and I still am voting for the lazy river. 00:42:39
My question is real. 00:42:51
I'm Darlene Price from the Villas. 00:42:53
Where's the promenade area? 00:42:56
I have no clue. 00:43:00
Karen Cornelius, vineyard resident. My question is, is this meant to supersede or replace the Vineyard Rec Center? 00:43:02
And. 00:43:20
Why have we not heard anything about it in your direct center? 00:43:22
Seems to me like that would come. 00:43:26
A resort in vineyard and so that's my question. 00:43:29
Take the place of a rec Center for the enjoyment of all the families here in Vineyard. 00:43:33
And then put us in that tiered. 00:43:39
Resort type of a setting or are we going to have a rec center or is that an afterthought? That's the question. 00:43:42
OK. Any other questions? 00:43:58
All right, I made a motion to close the public hearing. 00:44:02
First by. 00:44:06
Second, by ties, all in favor. 00:44:07
All right, so. 00:44:11
We have a few things. I think you guys could probably come up and answer a lot of these. 00:44:12
There was a legal question just about a contract that talked about the 20 years, the 25 years, the opt out and came from a few 00:44:18
people about the deeding returning the leasing. Did you want to address those things? These are all very good questions. I think. 00:44:25
I'm Nate Hutchinson with the developers, by the way. 00:44:33
I think so. The nonprofit, there will be no paid members of the nonprofit of either of our wood barrier flagship organization. It 00:44:42
will, there will be a fairly large deficit as as we get started because we don't anticipate there being. 00:44:50
Paid members going or and so the way that it works is there. 00:44:58
And do we have the map does? 00:45:02
I mean the site plan we did a few weeks ago if you remember it, but so I can just point out, so there's the, the promenade, the 00:45:06
question, this is downtown it. 00:45:10
You know the problem that goes from the train station to the to the water? It's that kind of. 00:45:14
Promenade. 00:45:19
East and West? Yes, ma'am. 00:45:21
We'll show you as soon as the map is Hold on. 00:45:24
What it is, it's it's an Aquatics facility and there's different. 00:45:28
There's different areas that can be used at different levels of the public of vineyards. So for example the splash pad will be 00:45:32
free to the public will be able to be used, you can go there, the grass area, everything, you can just go. It's just a normal, 00:45:36
there's an all abilities park that will. 00:45:41
Be for anybody for free. Then there's a portion, there's an area of the pool that's more derived and designed for children. 00:45:46
And that will be a paid fee. One of the questions was divine. Your residents get a discount compared to a norm resident for 00:45:55
example. And yes, there will be there will be a discount for Vineyard in Utah City. 00:46:01
You know, anyone that goes there can pay a fee. 00:46:07
And it's in the agreement that it would that fee will be determined based on what other facilities and other areas. 00:46:11
Orem, Midvale, you know some of these other areas that have built these facilities, that's where we'll derive that fee from. 00:46:18
Will be on the hook to maintain a level of care for the 20 years. 00:46:25
So whether you know if it's running at $1,000,000 a year deficit to to operate the pool, we'll pay for that out of our own funds 00:46:30
as it gets going and as we build things out and hopefully get to a point where there's enough residents that want to be a part of 00:46:36
it. So the three areas are the free area for kids and everybody else outside of the gates, then inside the gate you'll pay. 00:46:43
Vineyard residents will pay the same. 00:46:50
Anyone living in our community there to be able to use it, probably on a monthly basis. 00:46:52
And then they'll and then there's an area. 00:46:57
This is not taxing residents in any way, shape or form down here. This is just us building a facility there. If you want to use it 00:47:33
and want to come pay, whether that's monthly or annually, you're welcome to do so. The more of you that would do it, the better it 00:47:39
is for us because we're not operating this. 00:47:44
In a for profit manner, the restaurant will be leased to an operator that is not US. Whatever that lease payment that will be made 00:47:50
will be used to help operate and maintain the whole facility. 00:47:55
And there's a spa portion of it as well, where people can get a massage, for example, a facial pedicure. 00:48:02
Whatever else you would get at a spot. I'm not as familiar with the spa, but those lease payments will also be used to maintain 00:48:10
the facility and and upkeep the park. 00:48:15
So that answers a few of those questions. I can't remember if I answered everything. Was there others? 00:48:21
Yeah, I feel like you answered. 00:48:29
Barbara's questions Darlene's Is the picture up? Can you go ahead and describe the promenade? 00:48:32
So the promenade is this kind of this green area. Is there a way to zoom in on the map? 00:48:38
And this is many of you have probably seen this if you've come to meetings over the last couple of years. We've been working with 00:48:45
council and had a lot of community work sessions on this park. We hired OJB, a landscape architect out of Houston and and New 00:48:52
York. They're one of the best landscape architecture firms in the country. 00:48:59
They just finished Clyde Warren Park in Dallas, if you're familiar with that. It's really revitalized downtown Dallas in an area 00:49:06
there. They finished the Riverwalk Park in Omaha. That was $300 million that Warren Buffett and a bunch of his friends got 00:49:12
together and did. We've toured that. They they've designed some of the best urban parks in the country. 00:49:19
And we're very, very excited about this park. It'll be about a $60 million park from the train station to the to the water 00:49:25
promenade. Not park, but. 00:49:31
We're starting phase one of this in in the red area there, which is what we're talking about for the facility and then we're also 00:49:39
building that area around it with the all abilities park on the left side of that red area and the grass portion of that to the 00:49:44
South of the red section. 00:49:49
So this phase is about $25 million and that will be installed as part of our phase one. We really anxiously like to get this done. 00:49:55
As part of everything else that's going down and then they just add some more in the community director. So to talk about the 00:50:03
Vineyard Recreation Center when we did our open space corridor plan about a year and a half ago, it was the area that was chosen 00:50:10
specific for a a vineyard Community Center. So that was that was kind of the idea that the residents like was to place that at at 00:50:17
where Gammon Park is where the parking lot is is kind of located where the Old Town hall building and so the the idea there was to 00:50:23
provide. 00:50:30
Cultural. 00:50:37
Learning spaces for our members of the community could come together to provide indoor basketball. I think there was interest in 00:50:40
doing like a futsal or some sort of field, but having some indoor spaces for recreation and and meeting spaces there. It was not 00:50:47
envisioned, at least at this point to be a full blown Recreation Center. The idea was that we're putting a lot of money into the 00:50:54
the, the, the Vineyard Beach area to to make that kind of that sandy area. 00:51:01
Longer and to provide recreation throughout the park system and and the promenade out here and so and and and unless that changes 00:51:09
the idea is that the vineyard. 00:51:14
Facility at Ghana Park would be more of a cultural and a Community Center. A place where you cast an indoor recreation program, 00:51:20
basketball, that kind of stuff, but not like a full blown Aquatic Center. 00:51:25
Yeah, and I think just personal opinion, whether anyone wants to hear my personal opinion. 00:51:31
But. 00:51:37
And then there's the grass area, so that all there is all kind of open to the public for free. And then you see the bottom left 00:52:11
pool there that's more of a pool design for kids with slides etcetera. And then there's more of an adult pool there that's with 00:52:17
that monthly pass. And then you see the smaller pool up top that's more of that annual membership pool if anyone wants to be a 00:52:24
part of that, so. 00:52:30
And then the the restaurant would be in the restaurants great too. 00:52:37
Now the key's. 00:53:10
Lots of sales tax revenue and then also some additional rent revenue that will help offset the cost of operating. 00:53:12
You know all these different facilities. 00:53:18
So it feels like with Kohl's questions you were able to differentiate between taxation and membership fees. 00:53:22
You also talked about the fee determination and how it would be TA. 00:53:31
I think maybe enough clarity was put on liability of the city, but I'm just going to couple his question with Daria's question, 00:53:35
which is what happens after the opt out lease period if you guys choose not to do it, who pays for it? Because I think the PPP 00:53:40
that Cole talked about is really are we using taxpayer dollars and then bringing liability back to the city. So we severed the 00:53:46
question, but still where does liability fall on the city? 00:53:52
That's a good question. So the reason why we wanted five years before the lease period is because that's probably about when you 00:53:59
need to start making additional capital improvements to the facility. 00:54:04
And so that gives us enough time to improve things. And then if if we didn't want to renew the lease, you know, in the city, one 00:54:09
of the concerns that the city and the and the city attorney had was, well, what if we don't want it either at that point and what 00:54:14
if neither of us want it? We could always at that point. 00:54:19
Demolish it and and put more grass there so that there wasn't this continued operation but. 00:54:25
You know our intent is. 00:54:30
We're going to renew that lease and just continue offering the same service to all the residents of the city that we had. 00:54:33
It'll need some additional funds and upkeep at that point, but that's why there's that five years. 00:54:39
That's why we wanted to negotiate that so we're not having to decide six months before. 00:54:43
And then you know that that's why you gave yourself the five years so that you could decide how much money you wanted. If you're 00:54:48
going to have it for another 20 years, then of course you want to put a few more $1,000,000 into the facility. 00:54:53
Get it back up to Park just for a point of clarification. I don't know if it initially addressed all of the questions, just that. 00:54:59
If we did need to demolish it, who would need to demolish it? Where would those funds have to come from? Would that come out of 00:55:07
the city? Yeah. I mean, I don't think that that's a good question. That hasn't been contemplated. Yeah, I can. I can address it a 00:55:12
little bit. 00:55:16
It's worth thinking back to about 10 months ago. Maybe it was three months ago when we had the first conversations about the site 00:55:21
plan. 00:55:26
And when the lease concept was first floated, it was the 99 year lease that the developer would hold for the duration of that 99 00:55:30
years. 00:55:34
The city wasn't comfortable with that, largely because. 00:55:39
Weren't sure. 00:55:42
The facility would be cared for, how we would ensure that it was capitalized, how we would ensure that it was operated properly. 00:55:43
So we shrunk it down to 325 year terms that would be a little bit easier to manage. 00:55:50
We created off ramps for both the city and the develop. 00:55:56
If things weren't going well that we would have the means to wind it down, but we required enough notice on that that it wouldn't 00:56:00
just be dropped. 00:56:03
By either party without notice to the other so we can plan for it and care for it. 00:56:07
And then we had inserted into the least some really important provisions that relate to the care, maintenance and operation of the 00:56:13
facility. 00:56:16
And the fees charged to the public. 00:56:20
And let me kind of piece each of those apart a little bit. On the fees charged to the public, we have a provision that requires. 00:56:22
That it be available to the public through the duration of the lease. 00:56:31
They are able to charge a fee or a user fee. It would be similar to what you would pay at a public recreation facility. 00:56:35
In other places throughout the. 00:56:43
We were concerned at what level would that fee be set at and would it be at a level that would allow working folks to use the 00:56:46
facility and what we arrived on was they would have to index that fee. 00:56:51
To the fees charged by other public recreation facilities and pool. 00:56:57
Throughout the state, so there's a control on what that amount would be, and it would be set at a level commensurate with peer 00:57:01
facilities throughout the state. 00:57:06
On the care and maintenance of the facility, we wrote a few things and they have to make annual budget reports to the city about 00:57:12
how they use the funds. 00:57:17
About who uses the facility. So it deals with patronage, It deals with their budget. 00:57:22
And it deals with the board and fee. 00:57:26
They have to report to the city on those regularly and then we wrote into that that they have to maintain a rolling five year 00:57:30
capital plan. 00:57:35
For the facility, what happens with pools? 00:57:40
Air handlers and then pool maintenance equipment and mechanics that wear out overtime. 00:57:44
And if we don't plan to renew those things? 00:57:51
Will be hit with a facility at the end of the term that's inoperable or needs a really big capital investment right up front. 00:57:54
We want to make sure that doesn't happen and so the way that we've done that is. 00:58:02
They have to do a rolling five year capital plan that's reported with the city when they make their budget. 00:58:05
Reports, and then we'll be able to look at that and make sure that there's cash on hand with the nonprofit to care for the capital 00:58:10
needs of the facility. 00:58:16
And what those are? 00:58:21
Thank you. OK. 00:58:23
Council, did you have? 00:58:26
Questions. Comments. 00:58:29
OK, if you don't have any questions or comments, I need a motion. 00:58:35
Actually I did have a comment since this will be my last meeting, I just wanted to actually address one of the the what Karen 00:58:42
brought up about a future Vineyard Rec Center. So when we did a lot of work on the corridor plan for several years project I was 00:58:48
personally very passionate about, you know, a lot of outreach with the community and bringing a Community Center with something 00:58:54
that a lot of people were excited about. 00:59:00
And and I wanted you to know that the vision for that Community Center was that the idea was that the facility would be something 00:59:07
for Vineyard residents alone. It would be a place that people could come, gather, be 1/3 space. A place that's not your home, not 00:59:14
your work. A place you could hang out, a place for our light, our children's library to go, place for our junior jazz and play 00:59:21
basketball, do a yoga class, do an art class, a place for our community. It would be if there was a fee, it'd be very minimal. 00:59:29
But not a rec center similar to what you see in these other communities. Rec centers that are the one you see in forum I believe 00:59:36
is 30 million. The one in spring goes 30 million. They're very, very expensive facilities and typically you have to bond to get 00:59:43
those in your community, which goes through a vote and increases your taxes. 00:59:49
And that's not something that we were. 00:59:55
Looking at doing in our community. 00:59:58
And because we knew that so many amenities would be going into the downtown, we thought we could do something like a good old 01:00:00
fashioned Community Center to create a place. 01:00:05
That would bring the community together in not as expensive way as. 01:00:10
Big decked out community rec centers. This past fall we've been able to partner. We did a fun partnership with a class at BYU and 01:00:16
the construction management program to come up with concepts and ideas for that Community Center and it was really fulfilling to 01:00:23
go and see these up and coming. 01:00:30
Young people come up with some really amazing ideas. We had what, maybe 20 different? 01:00:38
Plans that they came up with and they were just ideas. Umm. 01:00:43
Everything that comes to the city starts out with an idea. Somebody who gets excited, somebody who wants to build, somebody who 01:00:48
wants to create something. The Community Center is something that. 01:00:54
I've personally been championing. That's why we did the BYU class. 01:00:59
I don't know what will happen with that project now, so I would admonish future councils to hopefully take. 01:01:05
That project and maybe it'll be something that comes to fruition, and I hope so. 01:01:12
Because for me, it was always something that would piggyback off of what is going on in the downtown. 01:01:18
And give something to our community that. 01:01:23
Quieter, not as flashy, and would be a real fun place for people to gather. 01:01:26
So I wanted to share that with you and for anyone who's listening who didn't understand what that project. 01:01:33
As far as this Aquatic Center, I'm really, really excited. I think it's going to be an amazing facility. I would like to put in a 01:01:41
plug for you guys to maybe consider salt water. 01:01:46
In your facility I've attended, I've been to some aquatic facilities that are very nice that you saltwater and it's much better 01:01:52
for your skin and I would they just advise you to look into it. 01:01:57
That's all. 01:02:06
OK. Any other comments? 01:02:07
Kate, Then I need a motion. 01:02:10
I move to adopt Resolution 22363, approving the contribution agreement and lease and maintenance agreements by the Promenade 01:02:17
Aquatics facility as presented. 01:02:21
Second first by Amber, second by Christy. Is there any discussion? 01:02:26
If not, I'll do this by. 01:02:32
Christy Yay Marty. Yay yay, Amber. Aye tice. 01:02:35
All right, Carried. We'll move into discussion in action 4.2 This is Our E District, the creation of Public Infrastructure 01:02:41
District Resolution 2023. 01:02:47
58 And Jamie will lead out on giving us a brief overview of this. 01:02:53
Thank you, Mayor. During the City Council's last meeting, I gave a short presentation on. 01:03:00
What public infrastructure districts are, how they function. I'm going to take a quick moment and I hope those who were with us at 01:03:07
the last minute. 01:03:10
Forgive the repetition, but it's important to, I think, layout for those that aren't aware of what a public infrastructure 01:03:15
district is, how it functions, and then. 01:03:19
What? 01:03:24
Terms are in the governing documents for the two pits being considered today. 01:03:27
So a public infrastructure district, And there were questions about this in the public comment period. 01:03:33
It is an independent local government entity, so it is a government entity that's being created. State statute governs this. It's 01:03:39
governed by the Local District Act. That's Title 17B in the state code. 01:03:45
It has its own board. The board has the authority and the ability to make a mill levy against the property within the public 01:03:51
infrastructure district. The mill levies a tax on property it's not a tax on. 01:03:58
Spending or purchasing, like a sales tax would. 01:04:06
It does create a new revenue stream and it can fund the financing, construct public infrastructure. So the main purpose of a PET 01:04:09
is to be able to. 01:04:13
Take that property tax and apply that property tax to, as the name implies, public infrastructure. Period. It cannot be used. 01:04:18
Anything but the public infrastructure that would be provided to support a development. It's not used for the private aspects. 01:04:28
Of a. 01:04:37
The types of things that it can be used to fund a constructor, Things like streets, stormwater, sewers, parks, trails, and you see 01:04:39
that reflected in. 01:04:42
These two documents. 01:04:47
They assess property, they assess property taxes on the property owners within its boundaries and then it can be restricted down 01:04:50
from that to specific. 01:04:55
Of property within the boundaries and you see that in the pits that are being proposed today. 01:05:01
There are boundaries for the Public Infrastructure District. 01:05:07
Physically, but there's a second restriction in that they will only be able to assess property taxes against commercial 01:05:11
properties. 01:05:15
And. 01:05:19
Residential properties that are for rent owned by a commercial entity. 01:05:21
They cannot assess the. 01:05:26
Taxes against owner occupied residential within the pit area. 01:05:28
What this means, essentially, is that the pit board can then be tailored to. 01:05:34
Have representation for only those entities that are taxed by the PIT, and so the representation matches. 01:05:39
Who will be paying the taxes? 01:05:47
On the pit, if there were to. 01:05:49
Owner Occupied residential? Of course you would. 01:05:52
Elected members to the board that would be from that population, but where these bids don't apply to that population. 01:05:56
There's no board representation for folks that are not taxed and are not affected by the PIT infrastructure. And that's just a 01:06:02
point of clarity that means that there wouldn't be taxation without representation. 01:06:08
It would be the people that are being. 01:06:15
Are the only people being taxed? That's correct. Yeah. So and we've been mindful of that and that has been as we've created the 01:06:18
governing documents, something that we've been very, very careful about making sure that the representation on the pit board 01:06:23
matches. 01:06:28
Where those taxes will be assessed and who will bear that tax burden? 01:06:34
The powers of a pit board are established by the governing documents. It has to be done by the city and that's why we're here. 01:06:38
At this meeting today. 01:06:47
The primary benefit of a pit is that it offers. 01:06:48
Public financing benefits to. 01:06:53
The project overall, so you can build more or better amenities. 01:06:55
And when I say amenities, I mean public. 01:07:00
Amenities like the Aquatic Center that we were just talking about. 01:07:02
Because you can use. 01:07:07
The public finance the ability to raise that. 01:07:09
From the land being developed by the developer. 01:07:13
In lieu of going to private markets and so you achieve some efficiency and some economy. 01:07:16
In that way. 01:07:21
How are kids created? It requires 100% of the property owners within the pit boundaries. 01:07:23
To create a pit, those property owners make an application to the. 01:07:30
The city and the property owners negotiate the terms of the governing documents, and then it's brought to the City Council for 01:07:35
approval of those governing documents. 01:07:40
The governing documents, as I mentioned, outlines the types of property that can be taxed. 01:07:45
It establishes a mill rate and borrowing limits. The mill rate that would apply here is a maximum of 15 mills. That's .015 per 01:07:50
$1000 of assessed value on the property. 01:07:57
The board composition and membership is set in the governing documents. 01:08:04
And the infrastructure eligible to be funded, financing constructed. 01:08:08
Is outlined in the governing documents. 01:08:13
The there was a comment during the public comment period about the. 01:08:16
Amount of one of the. 01:08:22
Heads being increased to a billion dollars instead of 500 million, It's not. 01:08:24
That when the Council makes its motion today, it'll be making the motion that on the East pit it will be a cap of 500 million. 01:08:30
On the West pit, it will be a cap of one. 01:08:39
It's not known whether we're whether that cap will be bumped up against. 01:08:43
When we begin building the infrastructure, because they're in out years, but there are controls in place over the costs of the 01:08:48
infrastructure that would be constructed. 01:08:52
And the standards that would apply to the infrastructure that's being constructed. 01:08:57
The two controls are that kids, as a government entity, have to follow the same rules that public districts have to follow within 01:09:02
the state. 01:09:06
And there are public procurement guidelines that apply, and so when they. 01:09:10
Construct the infrastructure that has to be done at estimates that are reviewed and approved by. 01:09:14
Public Engineer Stamp. 01:09:20
And the procurement process they follow has to be the same procurement process that a public entity would follow. 01:09:22
To build that. So it would be a competitive process that would be informed. 01:09:29
Licensed Engineer, when they go forward with the work, it would be done within those constraints and then ultimately the 01:09:34
infrastructure has to be given to the city once it's constructed. 01:09:38
And the city has standards that are put into place by ordinance and then by. 01:09:44
Renewing those standards and so everything that is built will have to be built for the city standards. 01:09:49
If it's not built with the city standards, then the city will not accept it. 01:09:55
And then long term, there's the question of operation and maintenance renewal. 01:10:00
Of these assets and the PIT statute right now is limited. 01:10:06
That all it can do is construct. 01:10:11
We can't do more than that in this particular approval, but we. 01:10:14
Had conversations about how do we put into place a structure that will allow us to care for those assets. 01:10:18
That'll come in the coming. 01:10:24
As we work through some of the additional approvals for the development. 01:10:27
And then we have a provision in this. 01:10:32
Governing document that would allow. 01:10:35
If the state statute is expanded to allow kids to do operations and maintenance. 01:10:37
Then the door is open for the governing documents to be amended to allow for that activity. 01:10:43
We want to keep the door open, but we also don't want it to be at the discretion of the developer. And so we've written that 01:10:50
provision in a way that if the pit statute changes, then the governing documents can come back to the city. 01:10:56
And the city at that point in time can elect whether the statutory changes are favorable to the city or not. 01:11:03
And if they're favorable, then we can allow the paid resources to be used for that activity. If they're not, then we'll do it 01:11:10
another way. 01:11:13
I want to now back up kind of 30,000 foot level on this kind of agreement the the prime Directive really or the governing 01:11:17
principle with kids is. 01:11:22
The taxes to build the infrastructure for development should come from the development itself and from the property being 01:11:28
developed, and so it really is a principle of how do we localize the tax burden. 01:11:34
And not have it applied to other parts of the city. 01:11:41
And so the effort with the Pids really is to make sure that we have the means of generating the tax revenues to build the public 01:11:44
infrastructure from the development itself. And so it's a bit of a pay for. 01:11:50
And allows the development to pay for that infrastructure instead of somebody else or some other part of the city paying for it. 01:11:56
And I feel like you addressed this a little bit. Can we just clarify there was? 01:12:01
I think we mostly addressed all of Hunter and Ryan and. 01:12:07
A few of them. There was one point that said this tax would naturally would. 01:12:12
Be coming to us if it wasn't going to them. And I think it's important that we clarify that this is an additional levy. 01:12:16
That it's not redirecting existing tax revenues. Yeah, that's a very important point. 01:12:24
So keep in mind that whenever a developer develops property, it has to provide to the city the. 01:12:29
The public infrastructure to support that. 01:12:36
It has to do it regardless of how it occurs. 01:12:39
This is a means of doing that more efficiently, but it does it by taxing the property being developed, not taking or borrowing 01:12:42
from existing tax revenues. So we're not redirecting. 01:12:48
Existing sales tax revenues and existing property tax revenues it would be. 01:12:55
A new mill levy that would apply only to the commercial and the commercially owned for rent properties within the pit boundaries. 01:12:59
Not too many residential properties owner occupied within the boundaries. 01:13:08
Can I ask a question about height restrictions for that of the height restrictions and are there other? 01:13:15
The pit does not do any land use work and so those would be things that will come up when there are subdivision applications and 01:13:26
site plans for review on the City Council will do it at that time. Would you mind restating your questions so it goes under the 01:13:31
microphone? And that was Darlene Price. 01:13:35
The the question was about whether the PIT governing documents controlled height restrictions or told us where the massing for the 01:13:40
buildings would occur. The massing is my language, but I think that's what you're asking. 01:13:46
Where will the buildings be located? What size will they be? How tall will they be? 01:13:52
The PIT document doesn't do that. That will come before the City Council or the Planning Commission when? 01:13:57
The developer comes forward with subdivision applications and flats. 01:14:04
For the project, excellent, Thank you. I wanted to remember the developers are very correct. We were able to attend a open house 01:14:09
to discuss this more in person. Maybe you could give a review of that and then Jamie could make sure that anything that you bring 01:14:14
up is. 01:14:19
Offered inside of our documents, although you did a very thorough job, so thank you. 01:14:24
Yeah. Thank you. Nate Hutchinson again. I felt like it was a fairly productive meeting. I think there was a few of you that were 01:14:30
there. Thanks for coming. 01:14:33
You know, I I I think we've we've tried to work hard and I think City Council and and Jamie have done a good job of negotiating 01:14:39
this as well. But I think the bad rap that that kids have gotten in the past has been when developers do Pids. 01:14:46
And then they sell, they build homes and then they sell those to, you know, that the end user of those units without really 01:14:55
helping them understand exactly how the PIN works. 01:15:00
And so you could have a property tax levy that's twice as high in your subdivision as your neighbor across the street who didn't 01:15:06
have a pit. And you may not have really understood that. So you look at your house and say, well, buying this house for 500,000, 01:15:11
it's such a great deal because it's bigger than the house across the street, it's 500. 01:15:17
You know, that's 490,000 or you know, and all of a sudden you think that you're getting a great deal, but in reality you're paying 01:15:23
an extra $2000 or $3000 a year for the next 25 years in a pit. And so one of the things that that was the most critical and that's 01:15:29
where you get the kind of the thoughts of representation, taxation without representation. 01:15:35
So we wanted to make sure that there was no confusion in the two Pids we were we were submitting here. 01:15:42
We're the only ones that will be paying that additional levy. And the way I think it was Mr. Riley. I didn't catch your first 01:15:49
name, but I do know your dad. So Riley. 01:15:52
We. 01:15:57
There's a current property tax that's levied from the county, that everybody. 01:15:59
A pit is an additional levy on top of that. So whether it's going to the school district, the county, the city, whatever else, all 01:16:03
the property taxes that were already being paid will continue going to the same places they were going before the pit. The pit is 01:16:09
just us, and that's why you have to have everybody in the area agree. It's not like we could come to your house and say, hey, 01:16:15
we're going to put a pin on your house and we're going to tax you. 01:16:20
You know, and that's why representation for us is so critical on this too, because we obviously wouldn't want to turn this board 01:16:26
over to somebody else to then come to us and say you're going to pay this much more tax on your property and it's not going to 01:16:31
affect anybody but us. 01:16:35
And that's why it's really critical that way. So I think by doing those things that was kind of the the biggest thing and the 01:16:40
biggest misrepresent not misrepresentation but the biggest issues people have had with kids in other areas. I think we. 01:16:46
The way we've tried to view things is. 01:16:54
If if we're, if we're negotiating in good faith, you know there was a question on the the megaplex for example that was before 01:16:57
this council and and back in the day. 01:17:02
I think the RDA, there were some questions on the RDA. The RDA was set up for three reasons. First, environmental cleanup and that 01:17:07
was like by far number one and these are in the governing documents of the of the RDA. 01:17:13
Environmental cleanup is number. 01:17:20
#2 is infrast. 01:17:22
And #3 is tenant incentives to bring tenants to the town, etc. One of the reasons why we've had such a good. 01:17:25
Umm, such a good relationship with the the two mayors that have been here, all the council members since we've been involved and 01:17:33
we hope to continue to have a good relationship with Sarah and Jake is because. 01:17:39
We think that items #1 and #2. 01:17:44
Should be where funds are directed out of the RDA until everything is absolutely done. We have yet to come and ask for tenant 01:17:48
incentive money because for example, one of the things that I used in the Saturday open house, let's say Google wanted to come to 01:17:53
town. 01:17:57
That might be a bad example because you might hate Google, but let's just use Google as an example. Let's say they came to town 01:18:04
and said we will come build a global headquarters in Vineyard, UT. But we want a $50 million incentive from your RDA to come here. 01:18:10
The council looks at that and says yeah, that's a good idea. 01:18:18
They give them $50 million. They come here, let's say they're here for 10 years and then some other city and some other states, 01:18:21
somewhere else is willing to give them more, which we see all the time. 01:18:25
They. 01:18:31
The city ends up with. 01:18:32
If the city chooses to invest the RDA dollars and clean up an infrastructure, whether tenants come and go, it doesn't matter. The 01:18:34
city is left with better infrastructure, better parks. 01:18:40
Better, you know the things that are left here for the community. 01:18:47
And that's one of the reasons why when we've never proposed anything like tenant incentive to this point in our history and and 01:18:50
why we're so focused on doing the things we do. What we say is we'll come clean it up, we'll build all the infrastructure. If we 01:18:56
for some reason create enough tax increment here to pay those things back, then we can. That was what the RDA was set up for 01:19:01
initially. 01:19:07
And we stay focused on those top two things and not on that third thing which is tenant incentives, but. 01:19:13
I can talk to you after. I don't know if there's going to be. 01:19:21
I can come talk to you, but that was a little, you know, maybe I went a little farther than than Pete would have gone, but just 01:19:25
wanted to kind of give you an understanding of what we're doing and and how we look at things. 01:19:31
And hopefully we can all start looking at these things together. I think one of the biggest issues we've had here. 01:19:37
Is that no one really knows what we. 01:19:42
And you might look at that and say we've tried to hide this and you know that that's not the case. We've been coming to public 01:19:45
meetings for years and years and going through these things. And I think I think one of the things I'm most excited about is 01:19:51
having more of these open houses. If you've got questions, let's sit down and go through these. I think a lot of times it's really 01:19:57
easy to get on Facebook and say these crazy things about each other and send private messages to each other. 01:20:02
Instead of just sitting down and having a real conversation back and forth with saying you might still disagree with me and say 01:20:08
no, I wish you were doing that, etc. But at least you're understanding what exactly it is we're trying to accomplish 'cause I 01:20:13
think we'd find we have a whole lot more common ground than we might think we do. 01:20:18
Then historically we felt like we have, OK, so you touched on property owners, you touched on the separation between the RDA and 01:20:23
PID dollars and the general taxation and how all of those are separate and different and they all have different obligations. Was 01:20:29
there anything else that came up? 01:20:34
We talked. 01:20:40
Let's see what else. 01:20:43
Anything else that you came up with an update on what we're doing? 01:20:45
OK. All right. 01:20:52
There's no community members on your board, right. So and I'll clarify that, but you did clarify that in the open house, so. 01:20:54
One of the things Council that came up in discussion was that. 01:21:04
The representation. 01:21:10
For taxing purposes. And so, Jamie, maybe you can clarify the board makeup and how to work for the council. 01:21:12
There there is one really significant difference in the document from what was in the packet. 01:21:20
A few weeks ago and it's that. 01:21:26
Sharpen the definition of qualified property. 01:21:29
And then tighten the board composition, the board appointment process as it relates to that qualified property. So there wasn't a 01:21:33
definition before of the property. 01:21:38
That would. 01:21:43
I should phrase that a little bit differently. There there was a term in the agreement that excluded. 01:21:47
Owner occupied residential property. 01:21:54
Put a belt and suspenders into the agreement where there's now a definition of qualified property and the PID will only apply to 01:21:57
the qualified property, and then you have a direct relationship between. 01:22:03
Who's appointed to the? 01:22:10
And whether they have an ownership interest in the property that's being taxed by the PIT. 01:22:13
And we feel that that's a direct like 1 to one, it's the board composition matches the property that's being taxed. 01:22:19
If a board member is. 01:22:27
If a board seat is vacant, then that board seat would be reappointed by somebody. 01:22:30
That similarly has an interest in that property that's being taxed. 01:22:36
It wouldn't bring in somebody different to tell them how they're taxed and it wouldn't leave. 01:22:42
Any tax property unrepresented. 01:22:47
So to speak and then there. 01:22:49
There's a provision in here that if any. 01:22:55
Rental property seeks to be converted to owner occupied. Then the governing documents would come back to the City Council. 01:22:59
And they would have to be amended before you would have any of that type of conversion. 01:23:07
Because we don't want a sale or a change in plans by the developer or financial circumstances or something like that to then allow 01:23:12
this to be converted to a tax that would be applied to owner occupied housing. And so before that can ever happen it would have to 01:23:18
come back to the city. 01:23:24
We would have to amend the governing documents that would most likely mean an amendment to the board composition. 01:23:30
And we would make sure that whoever's taxed is represented. 01:23:35
OK. Any questions from the council on that? 01:23:39
And forgive me, I don't know if this question was answered, but I think someone asked about. 01:23:43
Specifically, does the? 01:23:50
And I'm sorry if this is a. 01:23:54
Do we get to see what kind of funds are coming in and reported on? That was Hunter's question. Yeah. Oh, great. Yeah, great 01:23:57
question. 01:24:00
That's another we had an annual reporting, so there's a statutory obligation that they have to report back to the city on their 01:24:05
budget. 01:24:08
And on how they do things, we've added two other layers to that they have to report back quarterly. 01:24:13
And what on their budget and their expenses unless the? 01:24:18
Request something less frequent than quarterly, so at a minimum we'll have quarterly reporting back from the. 01:24:22
And then as a governmental. 01:24:29
The pit has to follow or the pits have to follow notice. 01:24:32
Hearing requirements for things like budgets, things like tax increases, things like fees. 01:24:37
A pit wouldn't do fees, but they have to follow all of those public processes before they make those decisions. So they'd have to 01:24:43
hold, they'd have to publish a notice, They'd have to hold an open meeting. 01:24:48
That I have to hear from the public before they make those choices. The city didn't want to be surprised by anything and so it 01:24:53
asked for an additional seven days. 01:24:58
On top of whatever the statutory requirement is, and that's written to the Pitt governing document, so. 01:25:02
The city, There will be no surprises. 01:25:08
On what the pit does, the city will get seven days notice and then on top of that, they'll have the notice. 01:25:12
That's required by stat. 01:25:17
And then we also talked about how it's constrained to different standards and different and specific items. So, OK. 01:25:19
Further questions. 01:25:25
No, if there are no further questions from the Council I need, I did actually want to make a clarification. 01:25:29
Ryan Holdaway's comment about page 69 and page 100. Both of them do say 1 billion. So the motion will need to state that the West 01:25:36
could will be capped at a billion, the East could be capped at 500 million. I do have those stipulations written down if anybody 01:25:43
needs help. Is that the only one? 01:25:50
And then what? Yeah, insanely, we added to these documents the qualified. 01:25:57
Verbiage. So we don't need and that's in the, that's in the version. 01:26:03
Any other questions? 01:26:11
OK, I have a motion. I move to adopt Resolution 2023-58, approving the creation of a public infrastructure district for the East 01:26:15
District of the Vineyard Downtown Development with the cap at 500 million. 01:26:22
For the east. 01:26:30
For the east and one volume for the West. 01:26:32
2nd. 01:26:38
OK, first by Christie, second by Amber. Any discussion? 01:26:40
I'll do this by roll call. Christy Y. 01:26:44
Marty I, I Amber. Aye, ties. All right, that's carried. We'll go to the next item. 01:26:47
And I believe, Jamie, you're presenting this as well. 01:26:55
And the next item is the same topic, the same terms that there are two differences between the east and the West pits. 01:27:00
It's the dollar amount cap and so on this West, it's capped at a billion. 01:27:08
And then the property boundaries are different in the 2 and so the West reflects the property that it would apply there. 01:27:15
Correct. The board matches the property banners. 01:27:22
OK, so. 01:27:27
That additional item, just the capita 1. 01:27:29
So no one changes to this. 01:27:33
Yes, we do. 01:27:41
The railroad. 01:27:45
Yes. So there was a question asked about where the area is, so. 01:27:47
The problem is that we have to have you come to the microphone, but we're happy to show that. Otherwise, any questions that you 01:27:53
have, please reserve room at the end and if you have questions about the visuals, come and ask us and we'll get that information 01:27:58
for you just so we can carry on and and not miss it in our record. So go ahead. 01:28:03
On the motion and if you want to pull up a map right now, we. 01:28:09
Get prepared for that. 01:28:14
Response. All right. I move to adopt Resolution 2023-59, approving the creation of a public infrastructure district for the West 01:28:16
district of the Vineyard Downtown development. 01:28:21
And we didn't need to put the stipulation in because it's already kept at that amount. 01:28:27
OK, first by Chrissy, second by Tice. Any discussion? 01:28:31
All right. We'll go ahead and take a roll call. 01:28:35
Amber, hi. Yay. Marty. Christy. All right, I need a motion to adjourn. 01:28:39
Thanks. Second by Amber, all in favor, give us a couple minutes and I'll start our next meeting. 01:28:45
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All right. We're going to go ahead and get started. 00:00:06
Today is Wednesday, December 27th, 2023. I'm going to ask everybody to write down the time is 6 O1 and we're going to get this 00:00:10
vineyard City Council session started. 00:00:16
We'll go ahead and start with an invocation, inspirational thought and Pledge of Allegiance, and that will be offered by 00:00:22
Councilman Council Member Wells. 00:00:26
All right. With your heavenly Father. We're very grateful to be gathered here this evening. 00:00:32
Residents and council and staff of Vineyard City and we're grateful. 00:00:40
Be able to think about. 00:00:48
Where we live and. 00:00:52
Make thoughtful decisions and. 00:00:55
Pray that we will do so tonight and. 00:00:58
We pray for those in our community who are serving as first responders, military. 00:01:02
We're grateful for their. 00:01:11
Especially at this time. 00:01:13
Grateful for our very many blessings and grateful. 00:01:17
In this beautiful city, in our state and in this country, and say these things anyone of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:01:20
All right, That brings us right into our consent agenda. 00:01:35
Unless there are any questions or need for discussion, I just need a motion. 00:01:50
I move to approve the consent items as presented. 00:01:57
Second first by Amber, second by Christy. All in favor. 00:02:00
OK, Amber. Aye. Yay, Marty. Yay, Krusty. All right. 00:02:05
We have a few appointments that we need to do. As I recall, our North Point Solid Waste Special Service District Board was a 00:02:12
member was our last city manager. I would like to change that and appoint our new City Manager. 00:02:19
Does anybody have any questions about that? 00:02:27
Position. Otherwise I need a motion. 00:02:29
We adopt Resolution 2023-61, approaching the Mayor's appointments as presented to dissolve those Special Service District. Thank 00:02:33
you, Tye. Second, Second by Amber. Does this need a roll call? Tice, Amber, Aye. Yay, And Marty Christy. All right. 00:02:41
3.2 is the appointment to the Central Utah 911 resolution 20/23/62 This is a similar situation. Do you guys have any questions 00:02:50
about this? 00:02:55
I need a motion. 00:03:03
There are going to be that resolution 2023 Dash 62. 00:03:05
Building deployments and 911. 00:03:09
First by tight second. Second by Christy Tice, Amber I. Yay Marty. Yay Christy okay, Planning Commission. 00:03:13
I. 00:03:23
Two people as well. I have one person that I would like to add as an alternate. 00:03:24
Potentially as a permanent seat, dissipating Roton. 00:03:30
And then I have somebody that's an alternate potentially moving to a permanent seat, Bradley. 00:03:33
I want to go and call them and ask them which one would like to move into those positions. Do you guys feel comfortable with 00:03:38
either of them being in a permanent seat and either of them being in an alternate? 00:03:43
OK then can I get a motion to approve them for those positions? 00:03:49
I move to approve Bradley Vad and Keaton Rosen to the Planning Commission. 00:03:56
Second, First by Amber, Second by Christy. All in favor? Aye? All right. 00:04:00
Let's see. Hold on one second. 00:04:09
One second before that happens. 00:04:13
I have a quick legal question I have to ask. 00:04:17
Nathan. 00:04:37
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guidelines. Your input is valuable in shaping the future of Vineyard and so we will go ahead and open our public comment. 00:08:37
If you have a public comment about anything that is not on the agenda or on the agenda but not notice, please come and state your 00:08:45
name and go ahead and make your comment. 00:08:49
I'm Keith Holdaway. I live on Holdaway Road and Vineyard. 00:09:02
For about 100 years. 00:09:07
And I I I have a few questions that I'd like to ask the Council. 00:09:10
Did we really give the? 00:09:18
Theater and and the Top Golf. 00:09:20
Thing 25 years of free taxes. 00:09:24
Anybody want to speak up for all of you? Sorry, nobody will be giving answers during this time. We'll do it after the public. 00:09:29
OK, I'll wait for your answer. Because if I. 00:09:37
As I understand that they were given 25 year per. 00:09:39
Free, free taxes. 00:09:43
And the theater that this year paid pay taxes to Vineyard. But Vineyard? 00:09:45
Apparently. 00:09:50
Reimburse them 980,000. 00:09:52
Is that is that really what we want to do with our tax money? 00:09:57
When we have tax. 00:10:02
Areas that. 00:10:04
I've told you this before, held sacred for a long time. And then we give them away. 00:10:06
Is that is that really what we want to do so so we everybody in the citizenry can pay more taxes because we have less in our town 00:10:11
cop. 00:10:17
I think that's really. 00:10:23
I'm really sad about that. 00:10:25
And that is absolutely wrong to do. 00:10:27
In 25 years. 00:10:30
There'll be advancements in computer and. 00:10:32
Facilities will grow old. Top Top Golf will be ready to tear down and do it again. 00:10:36
The electronics will be obsolete by then. They'll be new. Brand brand new. 00:10:44
Things that will come along and it'll change everything. And what have we received for it? Not a dime. 00:10:49
As a. 00:10:56
To me, that's really a sad situation, and we ought to be more responsible than that. I've said before we should never let a dime 00:10:58
of taxpayer money go, nor should we pave the way for these developers, whether it's top golf, the theater or anything else on the 00:11:04
North Side. 00:11:10
We don't need to pay the way pave the way for developers. That's up to them. 00:11:17
I would have rather seen us rather than give away 25. 00:11:22
Years of tax free. Let that ground sit. We sit in the middle of Utah Valley. 00:11:27
This is valuable. 00:11:33
And if you think that nothing's going to want to come here, we're sadly mistaken as a community, because they will. 00:11:36
They. 00:11:44
We just don't need to rush into it and we don't need to put down a silver lining on the ground for developers. 00:11:46
Because things will come and it'll come good. We just have to be patient. We have not been patient. 00:11:53
We have not been conservative, which I believe this area has been forever. 00:12:01
So I, I, I beg of you to take time. I'm very. I'm very sad about the rush. 24 hour minute notice. All right. It looks like your 00:12:06
time is up. Thank you, Keith. You all know how I feel. Thanks. 00:12:13
Hi, my name is Aubrey Bills and I live in the Elms and since this is our last meeting with this current council, I just wanted to 00:12:25
take a second. 00:12:29
Just publicly thank each of you for your efforts on behalf of our city. 00:12:34
I know we'll be missing losing 2 of you and um. 00:12:40
You both and all of you have done so much for our city, and I know that whether we agree with all the decisions that you've made 00:12:44
or not, I know that the sacrifices that you've made in time with your family. 00:12:50
And time on your, you know, personal pursuits and professional pursuits has been Imm. 00:12:57
And there have been lots of hours of unpaid are very underpaid hours of work that you've put in. 00:13:01
Umm, So I just wanted to publicly thank you for those efforts. 00:13:08
Let you know that you're appreciated by one of the citizens of the city at least, and I know there are many more. 00:13:12
I did have a. 00:13:19
Questions that I know you won't answer right away. Umm. 00:13:20
I'm wondering if with the new rules kind of on public. 00:13:25
If I understand that if I have comments that I want to send and I'm supposed to do those in advance of the meeting. So if my 3 00:13:30
minutes is up and I have more than I want to say, am I allowed to send in comments that will then be put? 00:13:37
On the agenda or is that? 00:13:43
Not allowed because it needs to be done beforehand, so I would love clarification on that. 00:13:46
And then also. 00:13:52
With only 15 minutes to speak that and the three minutes per person that only last five people to speak for public comment, I'm 00:13:56
wondering if we might sometimes need more of that, more more than that time. I know you guys have had meetings go way too long, so 00:14:01
I understand there needs to be a limit, but if is there a way to extend that, if there is a, if a reason comes up that there that 00:14:07
that would need to be done? And also if people are raising their hands when they agree, is that going to be taken note of in some 00:14:13
way? 00:14:19
Counting those or is that just we just assume that you're seeing us or we'll wave until you do or anything like that, I'd love to 00:14:26
know. 00:14:29
Kind of your thoughts on that? 00:14:33
And I am concerned that there won't be any back and forth with the City Council if there are questions because there might be 00:14:37
follow up questions and if the three minutes is out and we didn't quite get clarification. 00:14:41
I would love to know any ideas on how we. 00:14:47
That better in case there needs to be some back and forth. And a visual timer might be helpful too, just so people know how long 00:14:50
they have. So thank you. 00:14:54
Thanks. 00:14:58
Daria Evans, Indian resident. I too would like to echo her sentiments. Thank you very much for you. 00:15:06
This past term 4. 00:15:13
You've done a lot and I appreciate. 00:15:17
I don't want to be disagreeable. 00:15:20
Do you have some disagreements with way things have gone on, But first. 00:15:23
I want to thank you. 00:15:28
Staff for providing the drop off for the cardboard from all our packages that we received at Christmas. We took advantage of that 00:15:30
today. 00:15:35
And that was a great service that you're providing our community. 00:15:40
You might not think it's very much, but we appreciate it. So thank you also. 00:15:43
I'd like to. 00:15:50
Be clarified on Is David Mortensen leaving? I have read that. 00:15:53
And I would just like to thank him as being our finance Director. We've lost several wonderful people this last year. 00:15:58
Brian Perez, Catherine Newman, Bethany V and Ezra Near wonderful employees of the city and appreciate all their efforts. 00:16:06
I have some questions. 00:16:18
Do we have our grinders on our three sewer lifts installed yet? 00:16:21
And our weight on our stations And when will the vineyard connector bridge be size seismically retrofitted? 00:16:27
Are we having? 00:16:38
Extensive geotechnical. 00:16:40
On these large buildings that will be coming in our new developments. 00:16:42
And are we maintaining a fun? 00:16:47
To timely replace and update infrastructure. Those are some of my questions. 00:16:50
I'd like to. 00:16:57
Express appreciation to Kaden Roten and Brad Bag coming onto the Planning Commission. 00:17:00
It'll be fun to work with. Visit with them. I've really enjoyed coming to these meetings this last little while. 00:17:07
I am. 00:17:15
Have participated in many things that my time is up almost 45 seconds. 00:17:17
But this last two months of City Council and Planning Commission meetings combined. 00:17:22
It's been a very big disappointment to me. 00:17:28
The audience and the. 00:17:31
You know, I obeyed the rules. I raised my hand and I don't feel like I was listening to, you know, I felt like I was thrown under 00:17:34
the front. 00:17:39
Not just the best, the front. 00:17:44
And I was very disappointed. 00:17:47
And the way things have come about, I don't really think we need this meeting. This is not an emergency to me. An emergency is a 00:17:51
life or death situation. 00:17:56
And I will have some questions during the public hearing. Thank you. Can we do a point of clarification? 00:18:01
Are you OK with that? 00:18:08
On emergency meeting. 00:18:10
To form a special session. 00:18:12
So we do it after this. 00:18:15
Ryan, Holdaway resident I'm going to try and play by the roles I agree with. 00:18:23
What? Sorry, I said. So appreciate it. 00:18:27
And umm. 00:18:31
I want to take time to thank the developers Flagship for spending time past the week helping us understand the pit and the way 00:18:32
they're structuring it. 00:18:36
I did notice in my reading, and thank you to the Council for posting that several days in advance too, on the 21st. That was very 00:18:42
nice to give us time to read that. 00:18:46
I did notice a couple things based on my understanding that had changed from our last meeting to today and one of the major ones 00:18:51
was it went from my understanding again, 1.5 billion billion dollars. 00:18:57
Seeking to 2 billion on page 69 and page 100. It was a billion for each now. 00:19:02
So I'm curious what else has? 00:19:08
I'm not a legal scholar, I haven't. I didn't have access to the documents before, so I'd really like to know what has changed so. 00:19:11
Because when we met in our information session on Saturday morning. 00:19:17
That was still 1.5 S would really like some clarification there and I understand we're not going to have a public commentary on 00:19:21
the pits tonight, so I wanted to make sure that that. 00:19:26
Portland was made, but again, thank you for your time. 00:19:32
Hi, David Loray, can you. 00:19:41
Thanks for your service folks. Appreciate it. 00:19:44
Those are, it's been a long, long haul and it's it's hard to do public service and so thank you. 00:19:47
We're doing it. I have a couple questions. 00:19:53
A long time. So we had a report about the railroad situation. We know we're we want to remove the tracks along Geneva Road and I, 00:19:56
as I understand it there that there was some negotiations finalized with the railroad. 00:20:03
Some years ago about. 00:20:10
Some tracks that I may relocate in the north of. 00:20:12
Before that could be taken. 00:20:15
And. 00:20:17
And then so can you give us a report on where that is, what the schedule is to get us to a point where we would have those tracks 00:20:18
removed so that we can begin putting businesses along that stretch of Rd. Thank you. 00:20:24
Add Jeff Porter. My wife and I live in Hampton. And just a couple of things. 00:20:36
This kind of off topic but I want. 00:20:42
I have a comment. My wife and I were delivering Christmas goodies about a week ago and we noticed the street light is gone. 00:20:45
From 20 W and 3:50. 00:20:52
And the bolts are sticking up out of the concrete and the lights just gone and we don't want to. 00:20:54
If what happened to it and if it's going to come back? 00:20:59
So that's one question. 00:21:03
Is that something that you can answer now or do you even know about it? Or? 00:21:06
That will address comments at the endings. OK, that's all I have for tonight. 00:21:11
My name is Hunter Riley. I'm Nate Riley's. 00:21:22
I want to read something that is. 00:21:26
Important, it says. It's from a Facebook post made by a city a sitting council member. 00:21:30
So I'm concerned with the apparent lack of process. 00:21:37
I thought I made my stance very clear in the last Council meeting, but I'm concerned that the need for speed is still pushing the 00:21:41
agenda. 00:21:44
Not the need for a well developed and thought out agreement. I will not vote for an agreement presented to me just prior to the 00:21:48
meeting. 00:21:51
This is a stance one of the council members made. 00:21:54
While running for election our first term. 00:21:57
We all know what happens when things are rushed. 00:22:01
Building houses. 00:22:05
Development. Anything else rushed things go. 00:22:07
Errors are made this whole process over the last month. 00:22:09
Things are going very fast and. 00:22:15
Processes are not. 00:22:17
One of the questions I have. 00:22:20
Who is on the Who's control of the Who's in control of the fund? 00:22:23
In the PID? The developer? Who else? 00:22:28
That is taxpayer money. 00:22:31
And that if it wasn't going to, the developer would be coming to. 00:22:34
The counselor. 00:22:39
And so as that is given back to the developer. 00:22:41
From Is there a process that the city can see what the developer is spending the money on? 00:22:44
Is the developer pocketing the money or is it going back to Rose? Is it going to infrastructure? How is that tax money? Police. 00:22:50
By the city, even though it's not coming back to the city's PO. 00:22:58
Thank you. 00:23:02
This will be our last comment. 00:23:08
Sure, I came on a resident. I hope everyone had a joyful Christmas. 00:23:11
I'm here today to ask a question for clarification. In last weeks or the 13th meeting we had the. 00:23:16
Fill in port of heads and somewhere in the middle there was a vote taken. 00:23:26
That I'm wanting to have clarification for as far as. 00:23:32
The voting of the council members and with Julia it sounded like that. 00:23:37
You had to have 4 council members disagree with you in order to. 00:23:43
Have something. 00:23:49
Pass and I don't know if that's accurate or not, but I wanted to follow up on that because I have a real. 00:23:51
Concern about council members not knowing or wanting or advocating their responsibilities so. 00:23:57
In a in a 2. 00:24:04
One on the day that I had read about the inland port, I called Tice because he's one of the people I met when we moved back, 00:24:07
asking him about just clarification, just to ask questions. 00:24:13
And his response to me was, I don't know anything about it. 00:24:19
He was telling me that I was probably thinking about the OR hearing about the drone port. 00:24:23
Think my microphone just went out. 00:24:29
Anyway, and we talked for a little while. 00:24:32
We said goodbye. 00:24:37
When he thought he had hung up, he hadn't hung up, and I heard him use the words. 00:24:38
Oh, the forces are out, Jake. 00:24:44
And I tried to interrupt, and I said, Ty hello, hello. And then I heard his wife Linda say. 00:24:48
Oh no. 00:24:54
The phone hung up and all of a sudden I realized. 00:24:56
I felt like I was being. 00:25:01
Disregarded and that really hurt. The other thing is, and I have worked with Christie, I respect Christy and what we've done, but 00:25:05
when she asked me on August 5th to support her for campaign. 00:25:11
I asked if I could meet her in person so we could talk and the one question that I had. 00:25:19
Was how you felt about the mayor acting without your knowledge. 00:25:24
With the. 00:25:29
And you gave an. 00:25:31
But the answer ended by saying I've made peace with us. My big concern with all of these things, sandwich Dan, is that I really 00:25:33
want to have a representative government. I. 00:25:40
And I want to say this Marty was the only one who did not vote to give the mayor. 00:25:47
Extra power. So anyway, I am really concerned about the unity and the trust in our community. I I don't like what I feel, what I 00:25:54
hear people making comments. 00:26:00
I would like to be able to have some solutions. 00:26:06
And I appreciate more time with agendas. I think transparency and honesty is what we really need in order for us to move forward, 00:26:10
and I would appreciate. 00:26:15
Some comment, clarifications about that vote. Thank you thank you public. The public comment period is now closed. 00:26:21
We will. Well, I had announced that there was a last comment. I don't mind if you come up, this will be our last. 00:26:29
Because I signed your paper and said I wanted to comment. 00:26:38
My name is Darlene Price. I live in the. 00:26:42
This is our third year. We came when Covad was running rampant and we didn't meet anybody during that. 00:26:46
Umm, since then I've been at several council. 00:26:54
I am would like to applaud the last three people that spoke. 00:26:58
With about transparency and about some of the decisions that were rushed through. 00:27:03
Comment from one of. 00:27:10
Leaders about being transparent and then. 00:27:12
And what? 00:27:16
Here's my question. 00:27:17
My understanding is I have researched the PID. 00:27:20
Is that they are a quasi political. 00:27:23
Group with no representation. 00:27:27
The community, there's nobody on that board and with that power they have the ability to tax and raise taxes and we have no say in 00:27:30
it. 00:27:35
Now I don't know if you remember your history. 00:27:40
But we had a big problem with taxation without representation. 00:27:42
And I feel that strongly this is the same thing. 00:27:46
We are giving property to people and developers. 00:27:50
With no representation on that and I find. 00:27:54
I find that anti American. 00:27:58
Where our country was not based on that representation, in fact, I think they threw tea. 00:28:00
And a harbor to complain about that. And I don't have tea and we don't have a harbor, but we do have a lake. 00:28:06
I appreciate the effort that you. 00:28:13
I appreciate the fact that you are trying to do the right thing, but I don't see it being done. 00:28:16
And I am concerned about. 00:28:21
That you don't listen and. 00:28:23
What your constituents say? 00:28:26
Thank you. 00:28:29
All right. We'll go ahead and close out of that public hearing and we'll address some of these things. 00:28:31
For anybody that had questions on the PID, I'm going to reserve that. 00:28:37
For answering your comments during the time that we discussed the PIC. 00:28:41
Let's see there. 00:28:47
There were some questions on grinders on the three store list, the seismically retrofitted bridge video studies and the funding on 00:28:50
infrastructure for the future. 00:28:55
And that was by Daria. Let's go ahead and get something put together for Daria and we'll address that. So Daria, if you could meet 00:29:01
up with our engineer and he will contact you on that. 00:29:07
You had a point of clarification on an emergency versus. 00:29:13
Pam. 00:29:17
Just a point of clarification because I've had this commented more than one time. Just to clarify that this is a special session. 00:29:22
Special session falls into meeting that 24 hour plus requirement for noticing or an emergency session does not fall into that and 00:29:29
so this is actually a special session that was noticed. 00:29:36
A couple weeks ago, so I just wanted to clarify that for everybody. 00:29:44
Thank you. We had a question about the RDA and how the RDA works. This was by. 00:29:49
He was talking about how we prod. 00:29:56
RDA. 00:30:00
I don't know if he's, I think the best opportunity here. There was a presentation done that explains the RDA and how those funds 00:30:02
work. I will have that put together and maybe we can post. 00:30:08
As well as send it to you so that that can be understood a little bit better. You had questions on two properties. 00:30:16
You had one about on the megaplex, which I think was put in somewhere around 2014, 2015 and then I believe also the yard and we'll 00:30:22
all include that in the description that's sent to you. And then if people have questions about that, we can post that and make 00:30:27
that available for others as well. 00:30:33
Yes, in the yard, top off. Thank you. And then we will, let's see. 00:30:42
Let me just make sure that I got everything. 00:30:49
The railroad report, David, this is great. We're actually about to have a report that comes in. So I will get back to you on the 00:30:55
next. 00:30:59
I don't even oversee it, but oh, there you are. I will have, I'm going to be making a report in January. So that's going to 00:31:04
address that and. 00:31:09
I'll thank you. Then let's see, 20 W 3350 N the light is gone. Did you have any commentary on that? You were holding a quick 00:31:14
report on that, thanks to the scene. So a light on 20 W and 350 N was identified to cause a safety conflict with residential 00:31:23
driveways right there. And as a result of that, it was determined to remove that to avoid that safety concern. 00:31:32
OK. 00:31:41
So my commentary on this, Eric, would be that if there's further comments on this, you could follow up with the residents with the 00:31:43
porters that had experienced this with us. If there's any commentary on needing additional lighting or anything like that, you can 00:31:48
address it after this meeting. 00:31:53
Great. No, not right now. Not right now. I'm sorry. 00:31:59
Not right now. We'll address it after this meeting, but we will address safety. So just make sure that you touch base with us and 00:32:03
I will. I'll circle that as an issue. 00:32:08
OK, let's see. 00:32:13
I was pleased. 00:32:21
Yes, Aubrey's question, Aubrey, I will take all of those things into consideration and go back to council and see what is 00:32:26
possible. 00:32:30
With our, with this policy we're putting in. Thank you for making those comments. 00:32:34
OK, let's see. The point of clarification on the meeting was done by Pam. The inland port was a presentation. I know that they 00:32:40
came onto the agenda and it felt fast. And it was fast because it was a presentation and it was for all of us to learn about. So 00:32:45
nobody really on the council knew much about it. We wanted to learn more about the unimportant, what that had to offer to the 00:32:50
city. 00:32:55
And that's something that we do is that we bring information to the table, we get to learn about it, we get to ask our questions 00:33:01
and then we go and we have further commentary after that. So that is why we didn't follow the public hearing because it was a 00:33:06
presentation, but we did have to notice it that way. 00:33:12
Let's see. Voting council ordinances. Something not best. Jamie, did you want to clarify or help explain the ordinance that was 00:33:18
passed last time about appointments? 00:33:24
There were some misunderstanding about what it was and I believe the comment was that now the Council. 00:33:30
Doesn't get to vote on things that I'm voting on or it takes all of the council to vote against the things I'm saying. Kind of 00:33:38
like the veto. 00:33:42
So would you mind doing that? I, I, I think now with respect I'll let the terms of the ordinance speak for itself, but I I think 00:33:48
what it related to was. 00:33:53
The positions that were appointed, how they would be appointed, and then how they would be removed. And the way the ordinance read 00:34:00
is that appointments were. 00:34:04
The advice and consent of the council. So the mayor puts forward an appointment for those positions. 00:34:09
With the majority vote of the council, person would be confirmed into that position. Removal would be done either with. 00:34:14
Your vote as part of a majority. 00:34:22
Or a vote of four to one against the mayor. 00:34:25
If your vote was not included. 00:34:28
Also, I think it's just important that we talk about our form of government, our form of government since the incorporation was a 00:34:32
5 member council and that puts appointment power with the mayor and I. 00:34:38
What we did by adding these appointments to this. 00:34:45
Ordinance was that the finance director is actually required to be an appointment and the engineer eventually will become 00:34:51
something that's required as our city grows. So we were updating that and we felt like as we go through appointments right now, I 00:34:57
do a lot of appointments. You saw some with the Planning Commission. 00:35:03
And I say this is who I would like to have be on the Planning Commission and then the Council can vote with me or vote against me. 00:35:10
And since it's my appointment, it would take them saying no through those same appointment powers. And so that same terminology 00:35:17
was used and we just clarified the removal process within our code so that it was clear. 00:35:25
And we'll go ahead and move on to the next item on our agenda. 00:35:32
And that is. 00:35:38
Business item as before we move into the business items, thank you. We will have a quick disclosure by Marty. 00:35:39
OK, so I work for my dad's company and my dad's company is a data cabling company. 00:35:46
And we work as subcontractors for a company or for several companies, but one of the companies specifically that we work with 00:35:53
often. 00:35:58
Works as a contractor for Flagship and Woodbury on certain occasions and so I wanted to be abundantly cautious and disclose that 00:36:03
every now and then the company I work for. 00:36:10
Through once removed works for Flagship and Woodbury. Sorry, I'm like all the attention on me. 00:36:19
That being said. 00:36:28
I'm a salary employee that doesn't receive any kind of. 00:36:30
Pay, increase or Commission. And we actually don't get paid directly by Flagship or Woodbury. And in the two years I've been on 00:36:34
council, there's been one occasion for both companies, one I actually didn't realize until recently. 00:36:42
So I just wanted to I have a letter specifically if people are concerned. 00:36:50
I just didn't want there to be any confusion or question. 00:36:57
My position and my ethics on this council. That's great. Thank you. OK. 00:37:01
Let's see. 00:37:09
OK. Well, we'll go ahead and we'll move into our public hearing, unless Council, did you have any reports that you wanted to say? 00:37:15
No, no, Marty, did you have? 00:37:23
OK. We'll go ahead and move into our public hearing. This is the acquisition and disposition of property for the aquatic facility 00:37:27
located in the Promenade area. This was the this was noticed on the 12th of December for this meeting. 00:37:33
I will start by going into a public hearing and then we'll have to. 00:37:41
I need a motion. I move to open the public hearing. Thank you, Amber. 00:37:46
Second, by Christy. All in favor? Aye? All right. 00:37:51
Staff go for it. OK, so this is the Aquatic Center that. 00:37:58
Flag Borough is. 00:38:05
To build a resort pool type facility in the block five of the lake promenade. 00:38:07
It'll include multiple pools, the splash pad, a restaurant, indoor facilities and a lawn area. 00:38:14
The Aquatics facility, when completed, will be donated to the city, and the city will lease that facility back to a nonprofit 00:38:22
organization. 00:38:27
The annual fiscal impact of this will be $100 a year. 00:38:34
Lease agreement. 00:38:40
And staff recommends approving this lease maintenance agreement and Promenade Aquatics facility lease agreement. 00:38:42
OK. Are there any questions by the public? If so, please come up. State your name. Ask your question. 00:38:51
I set a timer. We're going to try to wrap this up in 30 minutes, but come on up and if you have. 00:38:59