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Planner Cache Hancey started the meeting at04am by introducing the new format for DRC. He provided the language of the new code that lists the new official members, the agenda process, and approvals that the committee may make. BUSINESS ITEMS1. 24 Calendar | |
Planner Cache Hancey started the meeting at04am by introducing the new format for DRC. He provided the language of the new code that lists the new official members, the agenda process, and approvals that the committee may make. BUSINESS ITEMS1. 24 Calendar | |
Planner Hancey presented the two options to hold DRC on the first and third Tuesday or Thursday of each month. He asked if there were any preferences. A discussion ensued about the dates. | |
Planner Hancey presented the two options to hold DRC on the first and third Tuesday or Thursday of each month. He asked if there were any preferences. A discussion ensued about the dates. | |
Community Development Director Morgan Brim. For the record, discussed the purpose of the meetings and the intended timeline for the meetings. | |
Community Development Director Morgan Brim. For the record, discussed the purpose of the meetings and the intended timeline for the meetings. | |
Motion: MR. BRIM MOVED TO APPROVE THE THURSDAY ONLY OPTION FOR THE24 CALENDAR AT12AM. ENGINEER GHANDOUR SECONDED THIS MOTION. DRC MEMBERS, VAWDREY, ELLIS, GHANDOUR, BRIM, VALLEY, AND ABDULLAH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 2. Chair Nomination/Election | |
Motion: MR. BRIM MOVED TO APPROVE THE THURSDAY ONLY OPTION FOR THE24 CALENDAR AT12AM. ENGINEER GHANDOUR SECONDED THIS MOTION. DRC MEMBERS, VAWDREY, ELLIS, GHANDOUR, BRIM, VALLEY, AND ABDULLAH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 2. Chair Nomination/Election | |
Planner Hancey described the process for the chair nomination and election. | |
Planner Hancey described the process for the chair nomination and election. | |
Motion: MR. BRIM MOVED TO NOMINATE NASEEM GHANDOUR AT THE CHAIR AT13AM. | |
CITY ENGINEER NASEEM GHANDOUR WAS NOMINATED AS THE CHAIR OF THE DRC. MR. ELLIS SECONDED BOTH MOTIONS. There was a discussion about the nominees. | |
Motion: MR. BRIM MOVED TO NOMINATE NASEEM GHANDOUR AT THE CHAIR AT13AM. | |
CITY ENGINEER NASEEM GHANDOUR WAS NOMINATED AS THE CHAIR OF THE DRC. MR. ELLIS SECONDED BOTH MOTIONS. There was a discussion about the nominees. | |
ROLL CALL VOTE WENT AS FOLLOWS: DRC MEMBERS VAWDREY, ELLIS, BRIM, VALLEY, AND ABDULLAH VOTED YES. MEMBER GHANDOUR ABSTAINED. THE VOTE CARRIED WITH ONE ABSTAINING. Building Official Cris Johnson arrived at16am. WORK SESSIONS & APPLICATION REVIEW1. Utah City PhaseFinal Plat & Street Cross Sections | |
ROLL CALL VOTE WENT AS FOLLOWS: DRC MEMBERS VAWDREY, ELLIS, BRIM, VALLEY, AND ABDULLAH VOTED YES. MEMBER GHANDOUR ABSTAINED. THE VOTE CARRIED WITH ONE ABSTAINING. Building Official Cris Johnson arrived at16am. WORK SESSIONS & APPLICATION REVIEW1. Utah City PhaseFinal Plat & Street Cross Sections | |
Planner Hancey discussed that this item did not need approval but wanted to go over discussion questions. He introduced Bronson Tatton with Flagborough. | |
Planner Hancey discussed that this item did not need approval but wanted to go over discussion questions. He introduced Bronson Tatton with Flagborough. | |
Mr. Tatton discussed the plats for Utah City. He noted where they were at with the process and reviewed the plats with the committee. | |
Mr. Tatton discussed the plats for Utah City. He noted where they were at with the process and reviewed the plats with the committee. | |
Chair Ghandour asked for clarification on what WC3. Mr. Tatton responded that it was a third party and stands for West Coast Code Consultants. | |
Chair Ghandour asked for clarification on what WC3. Mr. Tatton responded that it was a third party and stands for West Coast Code Consultants. | |
Mr. Tatton acknowledged where they were with permitting and design. Mr. Brim asked when they plan to bring the plans to the planning commission. Mr. Tatton noted the permitting schedule was August, so they are anticipating sometime in July or early August. The other plats were too early to have a timeline. | |
Mr. Tatton acknowledged where they were with permitting and design. Mr. Brim asked when they plan to bring the plans to the planning commission. Mr. Tatton noted the permitting schedule was August, so they are anticipating sometime in July or early August. The other plats were too early to have a timeline. | |
Discussion ensued about other details including the groundwork. | |
Discussion ensued about other details including the groundwork. | |
Mr. Brim noted some comments on the documents presented. He asked Mr. Tatton to update the vicinity map. Discussion ensued about the phasing of roads. | |
Mr. Brim noted some comments on the documents presented. He asked Mr. Tatton to update the vicinity map. Discussion ensued about the phasing of roads. | |
Chair Ghandour asked about the timeline for future plats. Mr. Tatton replied that these plats would set them up for quite a while. | |
Chair Ghandour asked about the timeline for future plats. Mr. Tatton replied that these plats would set them up for quite a while. | |
Discussion about the cross section and other requirements ensued. Mr. Ghandour requested that the cross section was not brought up for review at this time. | |
Discussion about the cross section and other requirements ensued. Mr. Ghandour requested that the cross section was not brought up for review at this time. | |
Mr. Tatton called out the changes that have been made. There was a discussion about future development. | |
Mr. Tatton called out the changes that have been made. There was a discussion about future development. | |
Mr. Tatton discussed the outdoor infrastructure plans. | |
Mr. Tatton discussed the outdoor infrastructure plans. | |
Orem Deputy Fire Marshall Branden Valley asked about the height of the buildings. Mr. Tatton reviewed the heights. Deputy Valley mentioned that conversations with the fire marshal would need to be held about logistics. | |
Orem Deputy Fire Marshall Branden Valley asked about the height of the buildings. Mr. Tatton reviewed the heights. Deputy Valley mentioned that conversations with the fire marshal would need to be held about logistics. | |
Mr. Brim suggested that they hold work sessions for some of the blocks. A discussion about paseos ensued. | |
Mr. Brim suggested that they hold work sessions for some of the blocks. A discussion about paseos ensued. | |
Chair Ghandour asked about the timeline of the private roads vs private roads. Mr. Tatton referred to City Attorney Jayme Blakesley. Chair Ghandour felt that should be addressed officially. 2. Holloway Fields Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints | |
Chair Ghandour asked about the timeline of the private roads vs private roads. Mr. Tatton referred to City Attorney Jayme Blakesley. Chair Ghandour felt that should be addressed officially. 2. Holloway Fields Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints | |
Mr. Brim asked if this has been submitted to staff for review. Planner Hancey replied that it had been submitted and provided an update that they need a conditional use permit and the plat completed. Mr. Brim asked what they were looking for. Planner Hancey wanted to provide an update to get the reviews back sooner. | |
Mr. Brim asked if this has been submitted to staff for review. Planner Hancey replied that it had been submitted and provided an update that they need a conditional use permit and the plat completed. Mr. Brim asked what they were looking for. Planner Hancey wanted to provide an update to get the reviews back sooner. | |
Planner Anthony Fletcher provided details on the project. He also updated the committee on the progress. | |
Planner Anthony Fletcher provided details on the project. He also updated the committee on the progress. | |
Chair Ghandour asked about the landscaping requirements. Planner Fletcher replied that it had not been reviewed from the planner’s side. Mr. Brim added that the impervious surface requirement was a Water’s Edge requirement. 2. The Orchards&Site Plan | |
Chair Ghandour asked about the landscaping requirements. Planner Fletcher replied that it had not been reviewed from the planner’s side. Mr. Brim added that the impervious surface requirement was a Water’s Edge requirement. 2. The Orchards&Site Plan | |
Planner Hancey introduced the site plan for the Live-Work units. He updated the timeline for the Planning commission on thest. Planner Hancey noted that parking would be updated. 4. Technical Review Committee Discussion | |
Planner Hancey introduced the site plan for the Live-Work units. He updated the timeline for the Planning commission on thest. Planner Hancey noted that parking would be updated. 4. Technical Review Committee Discussion | |
Chair Ghandour provided a flow chart for structure for processes. He introduced the technical review committee and its purpose. It was planned to be provided to the public. He briefed the process. | |
Chair Ghandour provided a flow chart for structure for processes. He introduced the technical review committee and its purpose. It was planned to be provided to the public. He briefed the process. | |
Mr. Brim suggested that it would help to add staff review time to help set expectations. | |
Mr. Brim suggested that it would help to add staff review time to help set expectations. | |
Mr. Ellis asked about how many chances applicants had to get adjustments right. | |
Mr. Ellis asked about how many chances applicants had to get adjustments right. | |
Mr. Brim felt that they should note at stage they should be submitting the technical review. Mr. Ghandour suggested they put together a flow chart for applicants. Mr. Brim suggest they define the terminology. | |
Mr. Brim felt that they should note at stage they should be submitting the technical review. Mr. Ghandour suggested they put together a flow chart for applicants. Mr. Brim suggest they define the terminology. | |
Planner Hancey noted that he welcomed any feedback on the DRC structure. | |
Planner Hancey noted that he welcomed any feedback on the DRC structure. | |
Ms. Abdullah asked if the land disturbance permit was going to be separated from the technical review. Chair Ghandour noted that it will be the same but will take the formal name. | |
Ms. Abdullah asked if the land disturbance permit was going to be separated from the technical review. Chair Ghandour noted that it will be the same but will take the formal name. | |
Motion: CHAIR GHANDOUR MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT58AM. MR. BRIM SECONDED THE MOTION. DRC MEMBERS VAWDREY, ELLIS, BRIM, VALLEY, GHANDOUR, JOHNSON, AND ABDULLAH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. COMPLETED MINUTES APPROVED ON: August24 CERTIFIED BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician | |
Motion: CHAIR GHANDOUR MOVED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT58AM. MR. BRIM SECONDED THE MOTION. DRC MEMBERS VAWDREY, ELLIS, BRIM, VALLEY, GHANDOUR, JOHNSON, AND ABDULLAH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. COMPLETED MINUTES APPROVED ON: August24 CERTIFIED BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician | |
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Uh-huh. Yeah. Thanks. | 00:00:18 | |
And that's the one that just looks like the. | 00:00:26 | |
It's not. | 00:00:33 | |
Uh. | 00:00:36 | |
Yeah. | 00:00:43 | |
OK, All right, we are recording just to let you all know. Umm, and we're going to get started here. Umm, welcome everybody to DRC | 00:00:47 | |
and our new format here. Umm, we briefly wanted to just go with the agenda, start out by just kind of explaining the, the changes | 00:00:54 | |
that, that have been made in DRC. Umm, So the first thing is gonna be we now have official members that, that has voting members | 00:01:01 | |
of the DRC. That's gonna be U5 up here or your designee, umm, as well as the Planning Commission chair and, uh, Chris Johnson. | 00:01:09 | |
Someone who's who's isn't kind of fill in and understand, you know, fire you guys all do inspections, so you're probably fine | 00:01:46 | |
engineering you got Patrick. But yeah, anyway, just to kind of put it out, you like pick someone that kind of understands that. I | 00:01:52 | |
mean, do we have to do official like a a letter saying this person is going to represent us in our house? No, not at all. No, not | 00:01:58 | |
at all. We can later in the agenda you'll see we have a bylaws discussion and we can bring that up then I would yeah, OK, we can | 00:02:04 | |
talk about that. | 00:02:10 | |
Umm, a few other things. So we will be publishing agendas, uh, hopefully one week prior to the meeting, it will have a live stream | 00:02:17 | |
link to it. So that being said, if you do have any items that you do want on DRC, we do ask that you provide us with the DRC | 00:02:23 | |
application form. Umm, that just tells us what the item is. Who's gonna be the spec number responsible for it. Umm, and I will get | 00:02:29 | |
it on to the agenda so that we can, uh, discuss it the following week. | 00:02:35 | |
Umm so the the next item is gonna be the purpose of work sessions and and flat approvals. Like I said, there's only a few items | 00:02:42 | |
that you will vote to approve as of right now. | 00:02:46 | |
Umm, that's gonna be things like further in this agenda, we'll vote on a calendar as well as a chair nomination. Umm, but then the | 00:02:51 | |
other item will be final plat that has been moved to the DRC from the planning or from the City Council. Umm, and so though that, | 00:02:57 | |
I think that's gonna be the only time that you will make an actual vote on those approvals. Umm, and then the other item is gonna | 00:03:03 | |
be work session. So work sessions, hopefully the, the bulk of these CRC meetings will have applicants come and present, uh, their, | 00:03:09 | |
their project. | 00:03:15 | |
Any kind of feedback before they go to Planning Commission, umm, or City Council if need be. Umm and then yeah, the next section | 00:03:21 | |
is our bylaws discussion. We just wanted to quickly, uh, throw that out there that we need to umm, create some sort of bylaws to | 00:03:28 | |
help govern the body. Umm, so things such as a quorum, the, the length of the term for the chair. Umm, I do believe, sorry, not | 00:03:36 | |
the point. The, the code does state the chair will fit for one year. Umm, but there's no limit to that. So things like the. | 00:03:43 | |
Unable to be there. | 00:04:21 | |
If you have any questions on anything like that with the agenda. | 00:04:23 | |
This is Patricia would be serving along with Chris Johnson and the Senate Commissioner. Can you call out who those people are in | 00:04:30 | |
Britain? Yeah, right now. | 00:04:37 | |
Yeah, just so you can have it in the record. So who those people? I mean, it isn't code, but yeah, that's so we have, uh, the same | 00:04:46 | |
with engineering brand and with Orem Fire Morgan with community Development director Eric fellow city manager, and then Bryan | 00:04:52 | |
Audrey with uh parking rec. | 00:04:58 | |
2nd. | 00:05:06 | |
Uh, records for the record that are are and absent. We have Chris Johnson building and Bryce Brady with Planning Commission and | 00:05:09 | |
then we have Maria Ortega with, uh, planning doing our recording here. | 00:05:15 | |
OK, so our next time is going to be the business items. So this is one we will do do need a vote on. And as you'll see, umm, just | 00:05:23 | |
as a quick update, if you do want to go look, uh, at our code, this is in the zoning code. Umm, you can go see the, the update to | 00:05:29 | |
the DRC. Umm, I advise you just to read that with powers and duties. We're all sitting members on this just to understand what you | 00:05:35 | |
will be doing on this umm, committee. It is in the agenda on page two in cash. Did you send umm, the committee just a link to the | 00:05:41 | |
code so they. | 00:05:46 | |
OK thank you. Also another just we don't have issues with umm, uh, what's it called? You can all be in the same room outside of | 00:05:53 | |
the DRC without having issues. | 00:05:59 | |
Umm, no open public meeting issues there. | 00:06:07 | |
OK, so the next item, like I said, it's going to be calendars. Umm, we did have an internal discussion in, in our planning | 00:06:12 | |
department about possibly moving this meeting to Tuesday. Umm, So there's one calendar for the Tuesday option. It would still be | 00:06:18 | |
at the same time 9:00 AM for the second option is as we currently umm, are scheduled, which would be the first and 3rd Thursday of | 00:06:24 | |
the of the year of the month. Sorry. | 00:06:30 | |
So do we have preferences from from people? | 00:06:38 | |
It does, yeah. Just Tuesday or Thursday generally work for better for you. | 00:06:41 | |
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, for something that's has been predominantly historically what we've been doing this past. So it just may be | 00:06:50 | |
better to keep kind of status quo. I mean, we erase what the armed fire says this. | 00:06:58 | |
Uh, they've been kind of scheduling Thursdays out as well. | 00:07:08 | |
So and then Brian, Brian, I'm good either way. I guess I would just ask is there a specific data you guys would recommend like is | 00:07:12 | |
it needed for us to do it Tuesdays? Like is there any benefit in that from City Council's Wednesdays? Not necessarily. We have a | 00:07:18 | |
staggered the the DFC meeting should most months follow Planning Commission that the day after Planning Commission and we did that | 00:07:23 | |
in a way that would give us two weeks from that DRQ meetings for the next Planning Commission meeting, meaning somebody could make | 00:07:29 | |
it to that DRC. | 00:07:35 | |
Get their comments, feedback, make any adjusted changes that next week and still be on the agenda for Planning Commission. So that | 00:07:42 | |
doesn't change if it's a Tuesday or a Thursday for cash. The umm did did you go through and check like umm holidays? Yeah, so | 00:07:48 | |
you'll see like Thursday we have July 4th off and I, I, I would just stay too for kind of the record that umm, you know the, the | 00:07:54 | |
reason why we're setting the schedule so that the purpose of the state code was to ensure that we are making timely de decisions, | 00:08:00 | |
right. | 00:08:06 | |
So there, there, there may be times where, umm, a meeting is canceled, umm, and then there may be times where it's just work | 00:08:12 | |
session items. Yep, we're we're we're just talking about maybe some code stuff. But even then, we're we're gonna be up here. So I | 00:08:19 | |
know the format seems a little bit more formal, umm, a lot more formal than it was in the past, but I'll make a motion to approve | 00:08:25 | |
the Thursday only option for the 2024 calendar. That's Morgan. Do we have a second for that? Let's see in the door 2nd. | 00:08:32 | |
Through the roll call vote, you don't need to roll call All in favor, aye perfect. OK, so we'll move forward to Thursday option. | 00:08:40 | |
I'll get this posted. I will also send out an invite, so it's on each of your calendars. Umm and then on that invite. If you do | 00:08:46 | |
just respond if you can or cannot make it, especially if we do have something like a spot on there. If we don't have a quorum, we | 00:08:52 | |
could have some issues. Umm. | 00:08:57 | |
OK, the next item is gonna be the chair. Umm, so we, we do just need the chairperson for this committee. They will help govern | 00:09:05 | |
the, the agenda and keep things moving. Umm, they'll, they'll work with me to make sure that they, they understand what the agenda | 00:09:11 | |
items are. Motion to nominate the scene gun door as chair of the DSC. Motion to nominate Morgan Brown because we have two motions. | 00:09:17 | |
Do we have any second on those motions? | 00:09:24 | |
Two of those, uh, I said we vote on, uh, yeah. Do we have a second on my most? My motion first. Let me do that. I'll arrive. Yeah. | 00:09:31 | |
I, I think we should have a second on that motion. I think Chris Johnson's a second, but he's not here. Mm-hmm. I think I heard | 00:09:37 | |
him. I'll second both. | 00:09:42 | |
We have time for discussion. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | 00:09:49 | |
See you both. Are you both OK? | 00:09:53 | |
Listen, I just think the same he's very good at umm at with the details. He loves plaques. He lives in the plat world. You know | 00:09:56 | |
he's a superhero. He would be plat man so uh. I, I just think he's, this is the guy. This is who we need and uh this thing uh when | 00:10:04 | |
it comes to class uh I am uh. | 00:10:12 | |
Morgan's Robin to uh, uh, Morgan's bathroom Batman so. | 00:10:21 | |
I'm working as a, uh, nice, a nice time crusader. | 00:10:26 | |
And I'm not in regard and yeah, in regards to it. So my thing is the 4th if, uh, if I'm, I'm an elected, of course, I'll do | 00:10:33 | |
everything I can to make sure that the, the DRC, uh, is, uh, done in a proper process. You know, you should never meet all the, | 00:10:39 | |
all everything, uh, in regards to the public as well as ensuring that we, uh, have a, uh, everything is being done and timely in a | 00:10:46 | |
proper manner, uh. | 00:10:52 | |
However, I also think that the, you know, uh, I would like to say that Morgan is, uh, definitely a, uh, expert in terms of, uh, | 00:10:59 | |
when it comes to the planning and, uh, and, uh, and of course the other items that come up with DRP and that's, uh, putting this | 00:11:06 | |
together, uh, Morgan does have the respect of everyone on the, on the top, on the, on the dollar and, uh, I think with respect to | 00:11:12 | |
something that can't be bought. | 00:11:19 | |
I I would add one thing to the to the machine. | 00:11:26 | |
Nomination and that's that the scene has some great experience getting a ADRC type group in gear from a from a scheduling | 00:11:33 | |
standpoint. We talked about this before in in a previous meeting and it would be great to have Nassim get us off to a good start | 00:11:41 | |
even if it's just for the first year with laying out a a good system for approving. | 00:11:50 | |
Thanks, Brian. Uh, can you help me? We'll we'll have a because on the team was the first nomination for the team. What's, uh, for | 00:12:00 | |
the vote? | 00:12:04 | |
Umm, I guess one other thing we can talk about in biologics, we won't allow remote voting like we do. Have Patty with us from the | 00:12:08 | |
building department as Chris's designee. Umm, the drag is so happy you can have a vote. If you heard this conversation. I'll say | 00:12:13 | |
the extra duty too of the UMM. | 00:12:18 | |
That we're voting on for the team, correct, correct. And just, uh, I don't think we should say this, but the, the chair would be | 00:12:25 | |
providing most likely updates to the City Council, correct. Uh, thank you. All right. | 00:12:31 | |
OK, so we have a, a motion to, uh, nominate or in the CMD, the chair if you want to do a roll call vote. All right, Brian. Hi, | 00:12:40 | |
Eric. Hi, Brandon Masim. | 00:12:46 | |
Abstain, Patty. | 00:12:55 | |
All right, we have a new chair for our meeting here. Uh, Max, this is Chris. Hey, Chris, congratulations. You have the chair. | 00:12:59 | |
Patty just voted. | 00:13:03 | |
You're going to be up here now, Sir. So that is here, one of the official members of our CRC, you can sit there or this small | 00:13:11 | |
chair that we have. | 00:13:15 | |
Saved you a spot there. Yeah, you're welcome. Oh, I know. Seriously. | 00:13:21 | |
You need time. Oh, yeah. I'm asking you, They're set up in Canada. I think the service is OK. There's no, umm, we got the, the | 00:13:26 | |
need of the, the DRC kind of housekeeping taken care of. Umm, we'll move on to our applications. We do have, uh, Bronson here with | 00:13:32 | |
Flagborough. Umm, we do have, this will be the first final plat. We will not be making a vote on it today because there are some | 00:13:38 | |
discussion questions that, that we wanted to, to go through and that's gonna be the main purpose of, of this, uh, agenda item to, | 00:13:44 | |
to discuss. | 00:13:50 | |
Any issues that, that we may have with the flat and, uh, get, get some feedback to Bronson so that, uh, hopefully by the next, uh, | 00:13:56 | |
BRC meeting, we can, uh, get our first approval on this. So Bronson, do you want to come up and just give a brief introduction | 00:14:03 | |
here and then we'll let them run the meeting. OK, ma'am. Yep. Thanks for having me. This is exciting. Our first, uh, official | 00:14:10 | |
portable CRC, uh, my cash set on Bronson. | 00:14:17 | |
With Flagboro. | 00:14:24 | |
Umm, I guess just talking about this plat, this is our third phase of Utah City, uh, class one and two, Those Mylars are down at | 00:14:27 | |
the county pending recording. We're going through a APID creation process and so we're holding off on all recordings until that's | 00:14:36 | |
completed. Umm, it sounded like the Lieutenant Governor's office is close to having those reviewed and back. | 00:14:45 | |
Uh, in, in our court and with the county to, to get it recorded. | 00:14:55 | |
So hopefully that's done in in the next month or so. Umm, so this, this plat that you're seeing is uh, this has two blocks of the | 00:15:00 | |
promenade in it Umm that parcel parcel B is this touch screen? Yep. | 00:15:09 | |
Uh, that parcel B is that first block that we're gonna be starting. Umm, that'll probably be umm, a construction set that we're | 00:15:20 | |
bringing forward. Uh, I think we, we get it from OJB on the 9th of February. So this plat will help us be able to, you know, be | 00:15:28 | |
within that legal lot and then, umm, Buildings 8A and 14. | 00:15:36 | |
Uh, those buildings are going into WC 3. Umm. | 00:15:46 | |
Just for review, uh, just between US and WC three and uh, WC three, yes, they're a third party. | 00:15:50 | |
West West Coast. West Coast. West Coast Consultant. | 00:16:02 | |
West Code post consultant. There we go, the official name. | 00:16:07 | |
Umm, so both, uh, we have not sent those plans in yet. Umm, how do you and Chris will be working with you to get, uh, the permit | 00:16:13 | |
fees, umm, so that we can get that all taken care of, uh? | 00:16:19 | |
Uh, and then we are, uh, currently working on, uh, architectural design on 13 C. | 00:16:27 | |
13 B And then just off of this plot to the north, 18C. | 00:16:35 | |
So those are all in architectural design. Umm, when do you anticipate bringing those forward to, uh, Planning Commission? I think | 00:16:44 | |
future do you think? I think 13 C's schedule is umm. | 00:16:50 | |
Well, I think we're trying to get to permit August 31st. | 00:16:58 | |
So probably sometime before that will be coming in probably July, early August, something like that. And then B follows that and | 00:17:02 | |
then B, uh, we're super early, so we don't have a schedule on that one yet. And then 1813 B and 18. | 00:17:11 | |
CR we're pursuing the same architect on both of those. So we're getting proposals. Umm, we've done like a massing, umm study so | 00:17:21 | |
far and like what, what program will be inside there? But you know, uses at this point is is mainly multi family, primarily | 00:17:28 | |
residential. Yep, ground for retail on those buildings. | 00:17:34 | |
Uh, I don't at this point, I don't, I don't know. OK, there there could be umm, 10A is the the umm the City Hall block. Yeah, you | 00:17:42 | |
guys know the schedule on that one. | 00:17:49 | |
Yeah, I think that's all that we kind of have in the works in this class. | 00:17:58 | |
Form center. | 00:18:04 | |
Uh, it's in first will be yeah, the the resource pool there. Yep, the northeast. | 00:18:06 | |
Yeah. So it'll be in that corner. So that first will be is, is you have the park on the South and uh, West side and then the, the | 00:18:12 | |
Aquatic Center facility is in the northeast corner. | 00:18:19 | |
Umm, yeah. And so, uh, we, we're currently doing some masquerading to get, you know, the clearing and grubbing done. There's, if | 00:18:33 | |
you, if you are familiar with the site, you'll coolings on bike runs right along the alignment of 3rd Ave. So we're in the process | 00:18:41 | |
of removing that. There's, there's quite a bit of earth work. | 00:18:48 | |
That's that's ahead of us. | 00:18:56 | |
Umm, that's pretty, uh, how, what is, how, how much higher is that the grade? It's, I don't know, 25 feet. And, uh, I think it's | 00:18:57 | |
something for us to talk about maybe offline about your master gradient. And I make sure that you have a mastering plan and, uh, | 00:19:05 | |
with, uh, with us for, for your approval or you start working on areas outside your group, your approved, uh, stages. Mainly | 00:19:12 | |
because we just want to make sure that, uh, two things that, uh, earth work that's being done is not disturbing. Umm. | 00:19:19 | |
Uh, maybe potentially sensitive areas as well as if you have to ensure that we're following the State Department in terms of | 00:19:28 | |
notice of, uh, intent, uh, for, uh, stormwater erosion stuff. So, yeah, we can have a discussion offline about that. Yeah, Find | 00:19:33 | |
out something to talk about in USD. | 00:19:38 | |
OK. Thank you. | 00:19:44 | |
Umm, there's been, so we, we have also the phase two CRE roadway backbone plans that are being reviewed. That's probably one of | 00:19:48 | |
the discussion items is the cross section. | 00:19:54 | |
So that would be on 3rd Ave. and. | 00:20:02 | |
C St. | 00:20:06 | |
And I think D Street. | 00:20:09 | |
The plans may have different names in them because the plans are a little older than this flat umm, but. | 00:20:12 | |
Those are, those are kind of the discussion items on parking, parallel parking with and umm, how we go from 7 to 7 foot parking | 00:20:20 | |
that to an 8. Uh, I don't know if you have cross sections. So if you guys wanna discuss that, but umm, that's kind of where, where | 00:20:29 | |
we're at in the roadway side of review is resolving that. And then I think we're pretty close to do you have a you can pull up. | 00:20:38 | |
But, uh, and then, uh, while, while he's looking for that, umm. | 00:20:48 | |
Let me see my question. Oh, OK, so Bronson is D street because I, I, I'd say as far as the plaque goes for us, like the cross | 00:20:53 | |
section is important. I know we wanted alignment on like the parking. Umm, and then the vicinity map. If you guys could amend that | 00:21:00 | |
and, and change it. It looks like you have an, an older vicinity map that's showing a different site, but just have that, you | 00:21:07 | |
know, where called out the site. Just, you know, use like this area looks like it's different. | 00:21:15 | |
Umm, and then D Street is D Street, the South side of the North Promenade? Is that the South Street of North Promenade? No, it's, | 00:21:23 | |
it's, yeah, the North Promenade is one more block out. OK. So it's not like the road, that South road of the problem it it's a | 00:21:29 | |
block down from that. OK. And so we have another, another version of the phase three plat that actually takes us to the most | 00:21:36 | |
promenade. Mm-hmm. So. | 00:21:42 | |
I'll make sure you guys have that. That's the one we'll want you to to review. Oh, OK. Because it adds Fox 17. Let's see 1617 and | 00:21:49 | |
18 that go up to the North Promenade. | 00:21:55 | |
We didn't feel like it was that that I mean, it's a it's more area obviously to to be looking at, but that also sets us up really | 00:22:02 | |
well to be able to start delivering things to HCI. Yeah. So that I think that's the question that staff has is like is umm, like | 00:22:08 | |
that would be like Main Street or like when, when do you anticipate getting? And I don't know if it, if you're looking at taking | 00:22:15 | |
Main Street up right now for access. | 00:22:21 | |
But what like to serve them I guess within this plat what what would be your first phase from the streets to provide access? It | 00:22:28 | |
would be connecting into Vineyard Connector on 12th North or the North Promenade. | 00:22:33 | |
And then 3rd St. connects into the North Promenade. OK. And then once we see and, and get a better feel for what HCI is needing, | 00:22:38 | |
then we can start making plans on other roses that are connecting to them. But essentially you would do the N Promenade St. so | 00:22:46 | |
that East West and then Third Ave. would then come up to that. At what time would you do Main St. Umm, that's a good question. You | 00:22:53 | |
know, if, if HCI is needing that for any reason or if there's utilities coming up, I think we need to get up there. | 00:23:01 | |
3rd Ave. is our umm, that's our main sewer trunk line, uh, that's paralleling the J line. So we feel like that's a pretty | 00:23:09 | |
important connection to get up in that area. Umm, Main Street I don't think has any like primary Trump lines. There's water loops | 00:23:16 | |
all over the place. The water is all gridded out. Umm, does the trunk line, so the trunk lines running parallel to the third Ave. | 00:23:23 | |
is it in the right of way of 3rd Ave. or is that like any? | 00:23:31 | |
OK. You know, if that's gonna be like street surface or is that in like a park strip or under the sidewalk, under the road? Oh, | 00:23:39 | |
OK, cool. Let's see. We're talking about, I guess the predominant question that I'm worried about from his. Yeah. Your phasing of | 00:23:46 | |
your future plots in order. I mean, is there a time, I guess there's a time, time period that you're trying to get your future | 00:23:53 | |
process as well? The this will this will set us up for quite a while. Mm-hmm. I imagine. | 00:24:00 | |
We'll be down on. | 00:24:07 | |
On Market Street, that's kind of we're, we're getting architectural proposals to do some retail umm liner buildings on Market | 00:24:09 | |
Street that get us over to the train station, but that's in platform for phase one. So we've got 1-2 and three buildings, five and | 00:24:16 | |
six are in phase two plat. So and while cash is looking up the cross section, I know you've emailed us the cross section, your | 00:24:24 | |
proposed cross. | 00:24:31 | |
On Monday so. | 00:24:39 | |
I haven't had time to have proper review. That was just sent out. Part of it was sent over to, uh, our arborist in order to take a | 00:24:42 | |
look at the, the, it's the main issue that was at hand was to ensure that we had proper, uh, soil, uh, base on there. Umm, so I'll | 00:24:49 | |
forward it to you, but I would request that that cross section is not, uh, there's no problem for any kind of, uh, voting type | 00:24:57 | |
item. There's been no acceptance of you and would be, uh, taken on on that. | 00:25:04 | |
Yeah, I, I just need a little more time to review that and you'll just get back to us. And just to clarify to the, yeah, we, we | 00:25:12 | |
definitely need more in a couple of days. The, the, the DFC would only be doing the plat. I think we just wanted to have alignment | 00:25:18 | |
on the cross section. Umm, so that, that, that would be more of an I, I would think I just like your standard staff review. And I | 00:25:24 | |
look, something I want to bring up because I know when we're going through the agenda, I'm trying to get to 1 item being the | 00:25:29 | |
technical review committee. | 00:25:35 | |
That's further on. Oh, that's further down. | 00:25:42 | |
OK, thanks. | 00:25:44 | |
Sorry. | 00:25:46 | |
Thank you. | 00:25:49 | |
OK, good. | 00:25:54 | |
All right. | 00:25:57 | |
I'm looking at the e-mail right now. Bronson just sent it to me. My computer is having some issues though. It won't even download | 00:26:00 | |
anything from sitting inside right now. | 00:26:04 | |
Do you want me to put it like you know, could you get a link? I think I saw it just pop up that it. | 00:26:11 | |
Yeah. | 00:26:18 | |
I've got it up. You want me to just plug it in? OK. | 00:26:29 | |
There we go. | 00:26:36 | |
So the one on the top left is the the bike way, that's the lighter right away and then the one on the right and the one on the | 00:26:40 | |
bottom are the two side streets. So that'll be second. | 00:26:45 | |
Let's see, let's see. | 00:26:52 | |
Do you have a preference on which one we look at first? | 00:26:56 | |
This will just go to the bike license here. | 00:27:00 | |
So the changes that we made were we added the another foot into the parallel parking on both sides. They were seven feet. Umm, we | 00:27:04 | |
tightened up the sidewalk. It was at 8:00. And then I think, uh, there's. | 00:27:12 | |
Oversteer than our buffer, Yeah, so we got, we gained the flip from the sidewalk on the edges. | 00:27:22 | |
There was some discussion about taking width out of the planter and then comments came back that if we, if we narrowed up the | 00:27:29 | |
planter, we would need to go to a small, a smaller tree category. And the medium sized tree was important to us. And so we pulled | 00:27:36 | |
that extra foot out of sidewalk 70 should still provide you. It's when I see people go down like A5 starter and then large. But I | 00:27:44 | |
mean that's part of the question about the sidewalk with and that's something that you we can not talk about. | 00:27:51 | |
Happily, uh, Morgan is, uh, all the time special downtown area sidewalks are uses, uh, sidewalk, uh, sidewalk sidewalk cafes. So | 00:27:59 | |
we would just wanna make sure that we're not causing AADA violation, right by trying to shrink down the sidewalk and then to | 00:28:05 | |
multi-purpose differ a feature sidewalk cafe as well. Umm, you'll, you know, you won't be able to do something else. Yeah, that's | 00:28:11 | |
a good, good point to call out. Mm-hmm. So. | 00:28:18 | |
That's just the again that's just my right now see that that's that's great feedback. I I think you on umm like Market Street, | 00:28:25 | |
where we're gonna have heavy umm retail. If you look at those products, they're not in this one uh, we can do that another time | 00:28:29 | |
with that that shows pretty enormous with and I think I'll accommodate like markets. I mean that's market straight ideas yeah shut | 00:28:34 | |
it down just. | 00:28:39 | |
Umm, farmers markets, outdoor markets, but not, but also just having the space on the exterior. Umm, it's pretty significant. I I, | 00:28:45 | |
I do know that you are proposing a couple like maybe corner areas on the corner. Are you providing like, are you providing a | 00:28:52 | |
little bit more space so that you can yeah, accommodate some outdoor. | 00:28:59 | |
Umm, do you still have the plan? It should be an hour. | 00:29:07 | |
Of the agenda. | 00:29:12 | |
So on UH8A14B. | 00:29:17 | |
10B and 13C, yeah. So this corner. | 00:29:22 | |
This corner right here we've got. | 00:29:29 | |
Corner stores like retail on each of those corners. | 00:29:33 | |
We are, uh, table topping this intersection and so we, we have kind of these bulb out areas, umm, in the intersection. We, we | 00:29:37 | |
haven't really laid any like outdoor seating out in those areas. I think we do have. | 00:29:45 | |
I think in some of the renderings that that we presented at at UMM Planning Commission for site plan approval, we are showing like | 00:29:57 | |
cable engineers right up against the building. | 00:30:01 | |
Umm, and we're typically setting our buildings about 5 feet back. We have 0 lot lines on in the downtown area, but we're setting | 00:30:07 | |
them back for footings and things that are gonna be underground. So you would have essentially. So we would have a little bit of a | 00:30:13 | |
sidewalk abutting like the the right of way. Yeah, not necessarily private sidewalks, but it would probably be like flat work or | 00:30:20 | |
pavers or something of, you know, private. | 00:30:26 | |
Property to build Potentially that would be considered landscaping maintained by the HLA. | 00:30:33 | |
Yeah, but it's, uh, it's probably more likely. But right, Yeah. | 00:30:39 | |
But so I mean totally when that, when that comes up and, and umm, those retailers are being talked to. And if there's a desire to | 00:30:43 | |
come out from an out into the right of way, I'm sure there'd have to be like some kind of permitting or like some kind of process | 00:30:49 | |
where, hey, we wanna put tables and chairs out. Where can we do that safely? And we go back to the section like 11 location that | 00:30:56 | |
we've seen that. | 00:31:02 | |
In other cities is in that where you have the planter, that planter is in the consistent planter all the way down the street. | 00:31:09 | |
It's kind of in block, so when you get out of your car, you'd be able to cross that planting strip area like on pavers or concrete | 00:31:16 | |
or something. So you'll kind of have like a tree and a planter concrete tree and a planter concrete or some kind of walkway | 00:31:23 | |
across. And that could potentially be another area for outdoor seating. Like typically you'll see benches, St. lights, bike racks | 00:31:30 | |
kind of in that. | 00:31:37 | |
Planting buffer area. | 00:31:46 | |
Question what? What's the height of the building? | 00:31:50 | |
UH-88A is 4/14, D is um. | 00:31:55 | |
Five. And then UH-13C here. Let me go back over here. | 00:32:00 | |
So just just speaking to the ones that we have like designed, umm, that would be 1880 and 14 you guys just talked about and then | 00:32:11 | |
13 C right up against Third Ave. We're looking at a A7 story podium building. So the first two would be probably a concrete podium | 00:32:18 | |
and then five stories on top of that. | 00:32:25 | |
Umm, so far departing access. | 00:32:34 | |
She doesn't highlight the numbers anything over 30 feet. | 00:32:36 | |
Notice to a 26 foot. | 00:32:39 | |
Mm-hmm. | 00:32:42 | |
Hopefully we will do about that. | 00:32:50 | |
Yes, when it's residential, there's nothing extra with on the side where the the parking is, so it's set up. It was completely | 00:32:52 | |
blocked off the street even way over that. | 00:32:58 | |
Bringing multiple units from different animals. | 00:33:04 | |
Rather for 20. | 00:33:08 | |
Yeah. And it would be great to, I don't know, we've worked with a lot of your fire marshals in the past. | 00:33:12 | |
And kind of catching up to speed on where we've been and kind of the strategies we've talked about, like take a couple of blocks | 00:33:19 | |
and just do like a, a work session discussion with this group. Umm, because part of what they're, what they're doing, I thought | 00:33:25 | |
it's really interesting. They're putting what they're calling the sales, which are like these internal walkway systems that cut | 00:33:31 | |
through the, the box. Umm, and then at least in the one discussion, I, I wasn't in all of them with the fire Marshall, it is, umm, | 00:33:37 | |
building those. | 00:33:43 | |
So you could bring in a fire truck to access kind of both sides of, of the building. Umm, kinda what? Umm, it varies. Depends. | 00:33:49 | |
Yeah. But if, if we're counting one as a fire access and we're then we're 26 and we're providing that 41 feet every 150 feet or | 00:33:56 | |
something like that. I don't remember the numbers right off top of my head, but I know that for staging you need that 41 foot | 00:34:02 | |
space. | 00:34:09 | |
In order for you to use it as access, you need like 20 or 26. | 00:34:16 | |
So the the sales are are kind of varying in size depending on what the the need is for it. So that the sales are basically running | 00:34:21 | |
mid block in each of these blocks. So if you look at like blocks 13C and 13B, you're seeing that link from 13 B against Third Ave. | 00:34:30 | |
is 242 feet. So we would assume that staging would happen in potentially the intersection of D Street and 3rd Ave. | 00:34:38 | |
At the Paseo crossing and then potentially at the intersection of C at C St. and 3rd Ave. we've got this grid in place so that you | 00:34:47 | |
can get, you know, trucks around. | 00:34:53 | |
Umm through the grid system in in other routes? | 00:34:59 | |
But yeah, I think it would be great to sit down with you and go over kind of the the emergency response strategies we have here. | 00:35:03 | |
That'd be good for, I mean, if you're doing DRC, yeah, everybody would appreciate it, everyone on the same page with that, so. | 00:35:13 | |
Yeah, I, I know you guys have been meeting quite a bit in the past just to see kind of where you landed on it because I, I wasn't | 00:35:20 | |
in all the payments. So it'd be interesting to see kinda, you're utilizing the Paseos and yeah, uh, yeah. To kinda go back to the, | 00:35:27 | |
what's the listing shot on the box? Uh, you still show private roads and TV's, Umm, what's the timeline of having those teams | 00:35:34 | |
determined, uh, in terms of, so we can start recording plots that are, that shows public versus private. | 00:35:41 | |
Umm, that that I know. That's been a question that's been asked multiple times in the past. Yeah, I think that Jamie would | 00:35:50 | |
probably know that a little bit better in the timing. I'm kind of out of loop. It'd be like with our ownership and with city | 00:35:55 | |
attorney and where they're at in those discussions. | 00:36:01 | |
And that's the same thing. That would be something that's what Unreal product comes forward. So the question that I'll be asking | 00:36:08 | |
is what's? | 00:36:11 | |
Of time, because the other aspect is after that we're back. We're have to go through the process of. | 00:36:16 | |
Going through transfers and so forth and I think that would be coming more of a more of an issue trying to do on the rear versus | 00:36:23 | |
doing it up front. Yeah, maybe I have a couple of steps out of a lot more stuff. | 00:36:30 | |
I I think that's something I think, uh, with past we should get, can you get that address first one, not first one officially, | 00:36:38 | |
Yeah, understood. | 00:36:43 | |
Awesome. I know that we're not, we're not going to approve this spot, but I would like to see if we can have some for business. | 00:36:49 | |
Me too. | 00:36:58 | |
Yeah. I mean that's, I mean there's some great points. Maybe we can. | 00:37:00 | |
Do that as as part of that kind of that larger discussion too. Umm, So if you could before you come back, maybe check on your | 00:37:04 | |
side, umm, as soon as you have yeah, because I mean we, I think Gulf city wants to know umm, maintenance is gonna be really | 00:37:13 | |
important. Umm and if we need to, if we're the ones maintained, if the public St. the same guy. I'm just I mean. | 00:37:21 | |
I understand, you know, I'm just saying like for the reason like, you know, we, we need to gear up and be ready for, be ready for | 00:37:31 | |
that maintenance. Yeah. And we, we wanna give you as much time for that as well. | 00:37:35 | |
Yeah, looks a lot. So there's a lot. There's a lot, absolutely. | 00:37:40 | |
OK. | 00:37:55 | |
Umm, thanks, that's a great update. Yep, no problem. So cool. | 00:37:57 | |
OK. | 00:38:04 | |
OK, the next item that we have on our agenda, these next two items are actually just gonna be a quick, quick, uh, update, umm, on | 00:38:11 | |
just some site plan and projects that, that we have in the pipeline and, and the planning department. Umm, so the first one is | 00:38:18 | |
gonna be the, uh, Church of Jesus Christ, Latter day Saints, uh, site plan over in the whole great field development. Umm, | 00:38:24 | |
Anthony, are you on the call? | 00:38:30 | |
Let's see here. | 00:38:39 | |
Yes, I am. OK, Yeah. Is there anything that you want to share with the DRC about this application? Yeah, that's fine. I can share, | 00:38:43 | |
umm, my screen, if you can see that. | 00:38:48 | |
I have the site plan pulled up. | 00:38:56 | |
OK. | 00:39:00 | |
Are you able to share the screen of uh, share my screen? Or it's not possible? | 00:39:05 | |
Don't you have a quick sharing? I'll be cash. I'm curious is this one that has been sent to staff for the review? Yeah, it is | 00:39:13 | |
They, they have submitted, uh, for their, their application into the inspect. OK, umm, just as a quick update, they, they also do | 00:39:20 | |
need a conditional use permit on this application and they do need to get their final plat umm, completed and and approved by by | 00:39:27 | |
you guys. Umm, like so for this meeting. What what, what are you requesting? It's mostly just to give you an update to ask. | 00:39:35 | |
Get your reviews done on that site plan. We want to get these comments back. I was going to say maybe we don't need to do it. I | 00:39:43 | |
mean, sorry, that'd be a chair thing, but I, I don't know if we need to do like a, a full presentation. Yeah yeah, I I was just | 00:39:49 | |
briefly gonna show the site and just say this is, you know, this is the site plan. Please get your reviews done in city inspect. | 00:39:56 | |
Umm and I was just curious if Anthony has anything on top of that, but I I agree. I think we can be quick with this one. | 00:40:03 | |
Yeah, it's basically that the search is closing the meeting house and, umm, there's gonna be a 24, about 24,000 square feet gonna | 00:40:10 | |
consist of a travel house, cultural hall, classrooms, offices and, uh, 30 by 60, uh, pavilion on the east side of the site with | 00:40:18 | |
pic picnic tables and umm, umm, some outdoor seating for outdoor activity. | 00:40:25 | |
And also have, uh, so far with what I've seen with the, uh, application is, is, umm, yeah, validations that will consist of mainly | 00:40:34 | |
breaking the year. And that's about, uh, for the roof. And also have about 200 and exactly 200 and UH-69 parking spaces and umm, | 00:40:42 | |
the, the lawn for landscaping. They're gonna have lawn area rock malls. | 00:40:51 | |
And free freedom scrubs that are drug resistant. | 00:41:01 | |
Uh, I already told them to look into or make uh, restraints, uh, umm, veneer free manual to make sure that they have the right, | 00:41:05 | |
uh, trees for the entire project. Umm, we are currently in the process of applying for final five. They did apply for uh, site | 00:41:14 | |
plan and umm, we act, we have to let them do the final plan first to have the, the lot planned and also. | 00:41:24 | |
Applying for a conditional use for that area and then we can move on to the pipeline. So, umm, you should be expecting to have | 00:41:34 | |
this come to PRC pretty soon. That's all I have for, uh, something about the pipeline on that. Thanks, Anthony. Yeah, umm, again, | 00:41:43 | |
I'm sure this is something that, uh, applicants will be able to address in the future, if not already. | 00:41:51 | |
I, I recall the last time that I have been submitted a similar type of facility in the city that, uh, the landscaping requirement | 00:42:00 | |
did not make the city's landscaping requirements. | 00:42:05 | |
Uh, and they had to do a, umm, product for me, both surface and, and leave that is there is that a could, uh, issue with a | 00:42:10 | |
specific, umm, Anthony, I, I, I don't know if you heard that question, but in the team asked if they're, if you've measured their | 00:42:16 | |
landscaping here, they're gonna meet that or if they're gonna have to do some sort of been impervious surface in the parking as | 00:42:22 | |
they did in that search in the Hamptons. | 00:42:28 | |
It hasn't been entirely, uh, uh, reviewed on that. I'd like to, Oh well, we'll, we'll take care of that. I, I believe though, and | 00:42:35 | |
Anthony, if you could look into this with Morgan, umm, I believe that's a water's edge specific code. Uh, what was about the, the | 00:42:42 | |
parking lot having some, umm, impervious surface if it extended over a certain. | 00:42:49 | |
Amou amount of service I I don't, I don't believe that's citywide. So we'll, we'll look into it, We'll make sure we catch that. | 00:42:57 | |
Bronson wrote that code so. | 00:43:05 | |
OK, so the next item that we just quickly wanted to let let the DRC know about is we are going to be getting the site plan for or | 00:43:12 | |
we do have the site plan for the orchard seven and eight. It's the live work unit. So they're proposing umm. | 00:43:19 | |
Here's their their site here. Umm, so just keep an eye on this and city inspect, make sure that that we get our reviews on it. | 00:43:28 | |
We're we're aiming to get this to Planning Commission umm, and it by the 21st. So it would be coming to DRC looks like on the 15th | 00:43:33 | |
umm. | 00:43:38 | |
So, yeah, if you guys have any questions or concerns about that, you can, uh, reach out to me on that. | 00:43:45 | |
OK, so that leaves, uh, Naseem did want to have a discussion, umm, related to technical review committee. Of course, if I could | 00:43:53 | |
just really quick on the umm on the orchards. It looks like they're showing a reverse angle design for the parking to something. I | 00:44:00 | |
thought so if we the updated one has OK yeah, sorry this we just need those for the one that he'll submit in the portal. We'll | 00:44:08 | |
have OK Yeah, Dave. Yep, they switched it to. | 00:44:15 | |
You want to pull up that flow chart machine? Yeah, please pull up the flow chart. | 00:44:22 | |
That way I can do this without. | 00:44:31 | |
You know and this uh, I sent the flow charts uh as a reply all to everyone on the group uh. This is not something that uh | 00:44:36 | |
relatively new to both, but uh might be new to a few people who have uh uh more recent uh uh in essence, just wanted to discuss | 00:44:43 | |
about the uh, whether they're passing the subdivision ordinance uh setting up the form of the RC that uh uh activate that uh in a | 00:44:50 | |
discussion that we've been working on on our internal. | 00:44:57 | |
Some changes in terms of our. | 00:45:05 | |
Revisions in terms of what the requirements for preliminary thoughts, final thoughts and such moving forward. Umm, there's a | 00:45:09 | |
technical review. Uh, there's a, an essence, There's gonna be a technical review too many, uh, whereby, uh, the engineering, uh, | 00:45:16 | |
on that, uh, it's not a formal community in terms of, uh, it is not a, it's not, it's not open to the public. It's not a, umm, you | 00:45:22 | |
know, it's not recording. | 00:45:28 | |
In essence, it looks very similar to going through and reviewing plans in terms of, umm, season, yeah, reviewing plans and, uh, | 00:45:35 | |
the planning, uh, platform that we have or, and we'll have, umm, that and provide comments and timely manner. But, uh, I just | 00:45:43 | |
wanted to, uh, show the technical review, uh, process closed, right? Uh, once this, uh, both are, has been, uh, uh, times that, | 00:45:50 | |
that's a little bit more, uh, especially, uh, uh, sat down with, uh, the city manager. | 00:45:58 | |
Uh, well, we, we plan on providing this flow chart, uh, for, for the public service time, someone submit an application for | 00:46:06 | |
technical review and the person who's adapting his name, you can actually see what the process is like and umm, uh, his license | 00:46:13 | |
this way. They didn't, they don't have the question of, uh, what, uh, how things are, how things are being handled. Uh, along with | 00:46:19 | |
this process, umm, we'll be providing kind of like timelines in terms of right now, the current timeline that we have. | 00:46:26 | |
On the table for discussions when it, when the application is submitted, that the initial comments that provide to uh, two weeks. | 00:46:34 | |
So yeah, two weeks, uh, uh, after the application has been submitted. | 00:46:40 | |
And I'll be having discussion with, uh, uh, Patrick, uh, senior engineer in regards to, uh, if, uh, we want to have it, where the | 00:46:48 | |
applications are accepted, uh, at a certain time, so that domestication. So in essence, we wouldn't have an application submitted | 00:46:55 | |
on Friday. We might get applications must be submitted by a certain date of the week, day of the week. Uh, and then you go through | 00:47:03 | |
this process and if on that low, low bottom, uh, table on the very bottom. | 00:47:10 | |
Kind of shows like other people that would be on the technical review committee, umm, on their PW news of the works that public | 00:47:17 | |
works engineer, other works and streets, other works, uh, water steward, public works, uh, grounds, umm. | 00:47:24 | |
OK, other works down. So we have parks and Rec, uh, we have, uh, armed fire, uh, as well. Uh, and then we have like, uh, for | 00:47:32 | |
example, like contractor planning as well. And then after the outside agencies with outside agencies to the example, like the dot, | 00:47:40 | |
uh, Central Utah water TSSC, etcetera, would just be handled as, umm, through the engineering. Uh, folks just to make sure that, | 00:47:47 | |
uh, it's time to put the time to put the burden back on ourselves. So we're not having their commun. | 00:47:55 | |
That other, uh, department slash divisions are not, uh, having to handle additional calls, uh, uh, and handle additional work. | 00:48:02 | |
Umm. So we're going to work on being a policy test in place. Uh, this is more of an internal policy. Uh, and it may, uh, we may, | 00:48:10 | |
uh, depend on the discussion of the same measure. We may bring this to City Council more of a presentation slash workshops as soon | 00:48:17 | |
as you have the transparency of the public of we're trying to make our customer service better. | 00:48:25 | |
Here in Vineyard, uh, office through our residents and also to our businesses and our contractors, uh, because you know, they're, | 00:48:33 | |
they're our customers, but I also want to, umm, put this out there on the group. So, uh, this document's been, uh, work in | 00:48:39 | |
progress for some time, but if anyone on this group has comments to this flow chart, if you see something that is missing, | 00:48:46 | |
something that is required, uh, please provide those comments to myself and Patrick and we will definitely, uh. | 00:48:53 | |
So that in consideration incorporated and definitely if you have questions. | 00:49:01 | |
We have the product, we're not having to, we're, we're making it more easier, but I appreciate that, chair, wasn't the recent | 00:49:35 | |
resolution that was reviewed and or passed, uh, also indicating that, that there are a certain number of times that they can try | 00:49:41 | |
this Three times, I think. | 00:49:47 | |
Maybe maybe we put a little footnote or a, a note off to the side that would remind, yeah, I appreciate that. And we'll do that | 00:49:54 | |
too as well. We'll have that. I think we'll put some references in terms of our code. So if someone uses flow charts, we'll have a | 00:49:59 | |
please refer to code, uh, blah, blah, blah and such. Yeah, that's good. Appreciate that feedback. And then last, last question, I | 00:50:05 | |
think it's helpful to know. | 00:50:10 | |
At what stage in the process is are they submitting the technical review? So like let's say they already have a a lot in place and | 00:50:15 | |
they're they're doing a site plan are are they doing technical sort of review before that? Are they doing that as far as like the | 00:50:22 | |
final plat? So, so the final plat they submit that go through the process as we have it now and then they will submit the | 00:50:28 | |
technical re review to engineering and then you would distribute that. | 00:50:35 | |
Umm. | 00:50:42 | |
Is that is that yeah. So we, we can, yeah. And we'll put some log out together. And this is just one of the one to five and series | 00:50:43 | |
of five. And I'll definitely have something here because I think with the, umm, time to spend the validations that we've had with | 00:50:51 | |
everyone put together. Uh, when you say if then, uh, if then, uh, or statement, uh, engineers pick up and uh, we'll definitely, | 00:50:58 | |
uh, put together some flow charts where, uh, you know, it provides advance, umm, like some guidance that also provides. | 00:51:06 | |
So because we we understand that some options would like to use and the things a little earlier and take a risk. | 00:51:14 | |
And then the mapping sale, uh, which is to, uh, submit things at near and, uh, alleviate any high risk, uh, for example, like our | 00:51:19 | |
line of service permit without service permits, Umm, but they've seen them before. Uh, official site plans may be approved. Uh, | 00:51:26 | |
but they're taking 100% of the risk that the fact that won't be improved. So, umm, and, and maybe having clarification of some of | 00:51:34 | |
the terminology if, because I, uh, I've heard the, the technical review process. | 00:51:41 | |
Also called land disturbance permit. And so you know, if, if, if are those the same? If, if they are maybe just kind of having | 00:51:49 | |
that clarified somewhere, umm, or we just use the same type of turn out terminology that that's actually confusing. | 00:51:57 | |
And I'll definitely feedback and we'll make sure that I, I, I expect that, uh, in another Patrick's documentation that he'll have, | 00:52:07 | |
uh, parked, uh, done by noon today. I think he just spoke to a notification. I saw one. | 00:52:13 | |
No, uh, yeah, I'm definitely welcome, put something out, but, uh, uh, in a timely manner. Uh, and so we also wanna make sure that | 00:52:21 | |
we don't have to, uh, take 10 steps back because we didn't decide to. So, umm, yeah. So, uh, uh, uh, with this, with the, with the | 00:52:28 | |
comments that you provided, if your staff, uh, have any additional feedback, please, yeah, please provide that to us. And our | 00:52:35 | |
intent is to, before we kinda go live on this to, to take a Tuesday council as they kind of visit presentation. | 00:52:42 | |
This way it's fully transparent. | 00:52:49 | |
I don't have. | 00:52:52 | |
I think that is it for the agenda. I did wanna add though, that you have any feedback for me in terms of the agenda, in terms of | 00:52:54 | |
how this meeting runs. Uh, you can run that through me and I'll work in the same on, on making this hopefully a little bit more | 00:53:01 | |
streamlined and, and, and better for everybody. So I think the bylaws too, you get those right. Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry. | 00:53:07 | |
Umm, so the technical is the, the code right now, the municipal code doesn't have a technical review. So he's been putting it in a | 00:53:14 | |
line of service on it and planning to break this item to his own dispute committee and the current municipal code with a separate | 00:53:20 | |
process from the latest service permit. No, I can't. It kind of was Morgan was saying that we probably just need to fix the | 00:53:26 | |
terminal terminology in terms of, uh, in terms of that more like what we'll just do is we'll kind of put this together and then | 00:53:32 | |
call it call and label. | 00:53:38 | |
Proper label that makes sense, but uh, let everyone know that this is where the technical reviews occur. Uh, it doesn't, it does | 00:53:44 | |
detect in global reviews don't happen at the VRC technical at the VRC provides the, you know, the feedback, but the technical | 00:53:52 | |
review of like which widgets, the widgets and gadgets will happen at this process. So to, to answer your questions, Patricia, | 00:53:59 | |
it's, I think it's more just a nomenclature, but then that's why before we go live, uh, all the time, I have to sit down. | 00:54:07 | |
You have to make sure that we're not doing anything, uh, that's going to uh, uh, mess everything up. | 00:54:14 | |
OK. | 00:54:24 | |
Then, uh, I believe it's up to the chair to, uh, join the meeting. | 00:54:26 | |
Do I make the motion to adjourn or do I ask the motion? I'll make a motion, please, Right second. | 00:54:31 | |
All in favor. | 00:54:40 |
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Uh-huh. Yeah. Thanks. | 00:00:18 | |
And that's the one that just looks like the. | 00:00:26 | |
It's not. | 00:00:33 | |
Uh. | 00:00:36 | |
Yeah. | 00:00:43 | |
OK, All right, we are recording just to let you all know. Umm, and we're going to get started here. Umm, welcome everybody to DRC | 00:00:47 | |
and our new format here. Umm, we briefly wanted to just go with the agenda, start out by just kind of explaining the, the changes | 00:00:54 | |
that, that have been made in DRC. Umm, So the first thing is gonna be we now have official members that, that has voting members | 00:01:01 | |
of the DRC. That's gonna be U5 up here or your designee, umm, as well as the Planning Commission chair and, uh, Chris Johnson. | 00:01:09 | |
Someone who's who's isn't kind of fill in and understand, you know, fire you guys all do inspections, so you're probably fine | 00:01:46 | |
engineering you got Patrick. But yeah, anyway, just to kind of put it out, you like pick someone that kind of understands that. I | 00:01:52 | |
mean, do we have to do official like a a letter saying this person is going to represent us in our house? No, not at all. No, not | 00:01:58 | |
at all. We can later in the agenda you'll see we have a bylaws discussion and we can bring that up then I would yeah, OK, we can | 00:02:04 | |
talk about that. | 00:02:10 | |
Umm, a few other things. So we will be publishing agendas, uh, hopefully one week prior to the meeting, it will have a live stream | 00:02:17 | |
link to it. So that being said, if you do have any items that you do want on DRC, we do ask that you provide us with the DRC | 00:02:23 | |
application form. Umm, that just tells us what the item is. Who's gonna be the spec number responsible for it. Umm, and I will get | 00:02:29 | |
it on to the agenda so that we can, uh, discuss it the following week. | 00:02:35 | |
Umm so the the next item is gonna be the purpose of work sessions and and flat approvals. Like I said, there's only a few items | 00:02:42 | |
that you will vote to approve as of right now. | 00:02:46 | |
Umm, that's gonna be things like further in this agenda, we'll vote on a calendar as well as a chair nomination. Umm, but then the | 00:02:51 | |
other item will be final plat that has been moved to the DRC from the planning or from the City Council. Umm, and so though that, | 00:02:57 | |
I think that's gonna be the only time that you will make an actual vote on those approvals. Umm, and then the other item is gonna | 00:03:03 | |
be work session. So work sessions, hopefully the, the bulk of these CRC meetings will have applicants come and present, uh, their, | 00:03:09 | |
their project. | 00:03:15 | |
Any kind of feedback before they go to Planning Commission, umm, or City Council if need be. Umm and then yeah, the next section | 00:03:21 | |
is our bylaws discussion. We just wanted to quickly, uh, throw that out there that we need to umm, create some sort of bylaws to | 00:03:28 | |
help govern the body. Umm, so things such as a quorum, the, the length of the term for the chair. Umm, I do believe, sorry, not | 00:03:36 | |
the point. The, the code does state the chair will fit for one year. Umm, but there's no limit to that. So things like the. | 00:03:43 | |
Unable to be there. | 00:04:21 | |
If you have any questions on anything like that with the agenda. | 00:04:23 | |
This is Patricia would be serving along with Chris Johnson and the Senate Commissioner. Can you call out who those people are in | 00:04:30 | |
Britain? Yeah, right now. | 00:04:37 | |
Yeah, just so you can have it in the record. So who those people? I mean, it isn't code, but yeah, that's so we have, uh, the same | 00:04:46 | |
with engineering brand and with Orem Fire Morgan with community Development director Eric fellow city manager, and then Bryan | 00:04:52 | |
Audrey with uh parking rec. | 00:04:58 | |
2nd. | 00:05:06 | |
Uh, records for the record that are are and absent. We have Chris Johnson building and Bryce Brady with Planning Commission and | 00:05:09 | |
then we have Maria Ortega with, uh, planning doing our recording here. | 00:05:15 | |
OK, so our next time is going to be the business items. So this is one we will do do need a vote on. And as you'll see, umm, just | 00:05:23 | |
as a quick update, if you do want to go look, uh, at our code, this is in the zoning code. Umm, you can go see the, the update to | 00:05:29 | |
the DRC. Umm, I advise you just to read that with powers and duties. We're all sitting members on this just to understand what you | 00:05:35 | |
will be doing on this umm, committee. It is in the agenda on page two in cash. Did you send umm, the committee just a link to the | 00:05:41 | |
code so they. | 00:05:46 | |
OK thank you. Also another just we don't have issues with umm, uh, what's it called? You can all be in the same room outside of | 00:05:53 | |
the DRC without having issues. | 00:05:59 | |
Umm, no open public meeting issues there. | 00:06:07 | |
OK, so the next item, like I said, it's going to be calendars. Umm, we did have an internal discussion in, in our planning | 00:06:12 | |
department about possibly moving this meeting to Tuesday. Umm, So there's one calendar for the Tuesday option. It would still be | 00:06:18 | |
at the same time 9:00 AM for the second option is as we currently umm, are scheduled, which would be the first and 3rd Thursday of | 00:06:24 | |
the of the year of the month. Sorry. | 00:06:30 | |
So do we have preferences from from people? | 00:06:38 | |
It does, yeah. Just Tuesday or Thursday generally work for better for you. | 00:06:41 | |
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, for something that's has been predominantly historically what we've been doing this past. So it just may be | 00:06:50 | |
better to keep kind of status quo. I mean, we erase what the armed fire says this. | 00:06:58 | |
Uh, they've been kind of scheduling Thursdays out as well. | 00:07:08 | |
So and then Brian, Brian, I'm good either way. I guess I would just ask is there a specific data you guys would recommend like is | 00:07:12 | |
it needed for us to do it Tuesdays? Like is there any benefit in that from City Council's Wednesdays? Not necessarily. We have a | 00:07:18 | |
staggered the the DFC meeting should most months follow Planning Commission that the day after Planning Commission and we did that | 00:07:23 | |
in a way that would give us two weeks from that DRQ meetings for the next Planning Commission meeting, meaning somebody could make | 00:07:29 | |
it to that DRC. | 00:07:35 | |
Get their comments, feedback, make any adjusted changes that next week and still be on the agenda for Planning Commission. So that | 00:07:42 | |
doesn't change if it's a Tuesday or a Thursday for cash. The umm did did you go through and check like umm holidays? Yeah, so | 00:07:48 | |
you'll see like Thursday we have July 4th off and I, I, I would just stay too for kind of the record that umm, you know the, the | 00:07:54 | |
reason why we're setting the schedule so that the purpose of the state code was to ensure that we are making timely de decisions, | 00:08:00 | |
right. | 00:08:06 | |
So there, there, there may be times where, umm, a meeting is canceled, umm, and then there may be times where it's just work | 00:08:12 | |
session items. Yep, we're we're we're just talking about maybe some code stuff. But even then, we're we're gonna be up here. So I | 00:08:19 | |
know the format seems a little bit more formal, umm, a lot more formal than it was in the past, but I'll make a motion to approve | 00:08:25 | |
the Thursday only option for the 2024 calendar. That's Morgan. Do we have a second for that? Let's see in the door 2nd. | 00:08:32 | |
Through the roll call vote, you don't need to roll call All in favor, aye perfect. OK, so we'll move forward to Thursday option. | 00:08:40 | |
I'll get this posted. I will also send out an invite, so it's on each of your calendars. Umm and then on that invite. If you do | 00:08:46 | |
just respond if you can or cannot make it, especially if we do have something like a spot on there. If we don't have a quorum, we | 00:08:52 | |
could have some issues. Umm. | 00:08:57 | |
OK, the next item is gonna be the chair. Umm, so we, we do just need the chairperson for this committee. They will help govern | 00:09:05 | |
the, the agenda and keep things moving. Umm, they'll, they'll work with me to make sure that they, they understand what the agenda | 00:09:11 | |
items are. Motion to nominate the scene gun door as chair of the DSC. Motion to nominate Morgan Brown because we have two motions. | 00:09:17 | |
Do we have any second on those motions? | 00:09:24 | |
Two of those, uh, I said we vote on, uh, yeah. Do we have a second on my most? My motion first. Let me do that. I'll arrive. Yeah. | 00:09:31 | |
I, I think we should have a second on that motion. I think Chris Johnson's a second, but he's not here. Mm-hmm. I think I heard | 00:09:37 | |
him. I'll second both. | 00:09:42 | |
We have time for discussion. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | 00:09:49 | |
See you both. Are you both OK? | 00:09:53 | |
Listen, I just think the same he's very good at umm at with the details. He loves plaques. He lives in the plat world. You know | 00:09:56 | |
he's a superhero. He would be plat man so uh. I, I just think he's, this is the guy. This is who we need and uh this thing uh when | 00:10:04 | |
it comes to class uh I am uh. | 00:10:12 | |
Morgan's Robin to uh, uh, Morgan's bathroom Batman so. | 00:10:21 | |
I'm working as a, uh, nice, a nice time crusader. | 00:10:26 | |
And I'm not in regard and yeah, in regards to it. So my thing is the 4th if, uh, if I'm, I'm an elected, of course, I'll do | 00:10:33 | |
everything I can to make sure that the, the DRC, uh, is, uh, done in a proper process. You know, you should never meet all the, | 00:10:39 | |
all everything, uh, in regards to the public as well as ensuring that we, uh, have a, uh, everything is being done and timely in a | 00:10:46 | |
proper manner, uh. | 00:10:52 | |
However, I also think that the, you know, uh, I would like to say that Morgan is, uh, definitely a, uh, expert in terms of, uh, | 00:10:59 | |
when it comes to the planning and, uh, and, uh, and of course the other items that come up with DRP and that's, uh, putting this | 00:11:06 | |
together, uh, Morgan does have the respect of everyone on the, on the top, on the, on the dollar and, uh, I think with respect to | 00:11:12 | |
something that can't be bought. | 00:11:19 | |
I I would add one thing to the to the machine. | 00:11:26 | |
Nomination and that's that the scene has some great experience getting a ADRC type group in gear from a from a scheduling | 00:11:33 | |
standpoint. We talked about this before in in a previous meeting and it would be great to have Nassim get us off to a good start | 00:11:41 | |
even if it's just for the first year with laying out a a good system for approving. | 00:11:50 | |
Thanks, Brian. Uh, can you help me? We'll we'll have a because on the team was the first nomination for the team. What's, uh, for | 00:12:00 | |
the vote? | 00:12:04 | |
Umm, I guess one other thing we can talk about in biologics, we won't allow remote voting like we do. Have Patty with us from the | 00:12:08 | |
building department as Chris's designee. Umm, the drag is so happy you can have a vote. If you heard this conversation. I'll say | 00:12:13 | |
the extra duty too of the UMM. | 00:12:18 | |
That we're voting on for the team, correct, correct. And just, uh, I don't think we should say this, but the, the chair would be | 00:12:25 | |
providing most likely updates to the City Council, correct. Uh, thank you. All right. | 00:12:31 | |
OK, so we have a, a motion to, uh, nominate or in the CMD, the chair if you want to do a roll call vote. All right, Brian. Hi, | 00:12:40 | |
Eric. Hi, Brandon Masim. | 00:12:46 | |
Abstain, Patty. | 00:12:55 | |
All right, we have a new chair for our meeting here. Uh, Max, this is Chris. Hey, Chris, congratulations. You have the chair. | 00:12:59 | |
Patty just voted. | 00:13:03 | |
You're going to be up here now, Sir. So that is here, one of the official members of our CRC, you can sit there or this small | 00:13:11 | |
chair that we have. | 00:13:15 | |
Saved you a spot there. Yeah, you're welcome. Oh, I know. Seriously. | 00:13:21 | |
You need time. Oh, yeah. I'm asking you, They're set up in Canada. I think the service is OK. There's no, umm, we got the, the | 00:13:26 | |
need of the, the DRC kind of housekeeping taken care of. Umm, we'll move on to our applications. We do have, uh, Bronson here with | 00:13:32 | |
Flagborough. Umm, we do have, this will be the first final plat. We will not be making a vote on it today because there are some | 00:13:38 | |
discussion questions that, that we wanted to, to go through and that's gonna be the main purpose of, of this, uh, agenda item to, | 00:13:44 | |
to discuss. | 00:13:50 | |
Any issues that, that we may have with the flat and, uh, get, get some feedback to Bronson so that, uh, hopefully by the next, uh, | 00:13:56 | |
BRC meeting, we can, uh, get our first approval on this. So Bronson, do you want to come up and just give a brief introduction | 00:14:03 | |
here and then we'll let them run the meeting. OK, ma'am. Yep. Thanks for having me. This is exciting. Our first, uh, official | 00:14:10 | |
portable CRC, uh, my cash set on Bronson. | 00:14:17 | |
With Flagboro. | 00:14:24 | |
Umm, I guess just talking about this plat, this is our third phase of Utah City, uh, class one and two, Those Mylars are down at | 00:14:27 | |
the county pending recording. We're going through a APID creation process and so we're holding off on all recordings until that's | 00:14:36 | |
completed. Umm, it sounded like the Lieutenant Governor's office is close to having those reviewed and back. | 00:14:45 | |
Uh, in, in our court and with the county to, to get it recorded. | 00:14:55 | |
So hopefully that's done in in the next month or so. Umm, so this, this plat that you're seeing is uh, this has two blocks of the | 00:15:00 | |
promenade in it Umm that parcel parcel B is this touch screen? Yep. | 00:15:09 | |
Uh, that parcel B is that first block that we're gonna be starting. Umm, that'll probably be umm, a construction set that we're | 00:15:20 | |
bringing forward. Uh, I think we, we get it from OJB on the 9th of February. So this plat will help us be able to, you know, be | 00:15:28 | |
within that legal lot and then, umm, Buildings 8A and 14. | 00:15:36 | |
Uh, those buildings are going into WC 3. Umm. | 00:15:46 | |
Just for review, uh, just between US and WC three and uh, WC three, yes, they're a third party. | 00:15:50 | |
West West Coast. West Coast. West Coast Consultant. | 00:16:02 | |
West Code post consultant. There we go, the official name. | 00:16:07 | |
Umm, so both, uh, we have not sent those plans in yet. Umm, how do you and Chris will be working with you to get, uh, the permit | 00:16:13 | |
fees, umm, so that we can get that all taken care of, uh? | 00:16:19 | |
Uh, and then we are, uh, currently working on, uh, architectural design on 13 C. | 00:16:27 | |
13 B And then just off of this plot to the north, 18C. | 00:16:35 | |
So those are all in architectural design. Umm, when do you anticipate bringing those forward to, uh, Planning Commission? I think | 00:16:44 | |
future do you think? I think 13 C's schedule is umm. | 00:16:50 | |
Well, I think we're trying to get to permit August 31st. | 00:16:58 | |
So probably sometime before that will be coming in probably July, early August, something like that. And then B follows that and | 00:17:02 | |
then B, uh, we're super early, so we don't have a schedule on that one yet. And then 1813 B and 18. | 00:17:11 | |
CR we're pursuing the same architect on both of those. So we're getting proposals. Umm, we've done like a massing, umm study so | 00:17:21 | |
far and like what, what program will be inside there? But you know, uses at this point is is mainly multi family, primarily | 00:17:28 | |
residential. Yep, ground for retail on those buildings. | 00:17:34 | |
Uh, I don't at this point, I don't, I don't know. OK, there there could be umm, 10A is the the umm the City Hall block. Yeah, you | 00:17:42 | |
guys know the schedule on that one. | 00:17:49 | |
Yeah, I think that's all that we kind of have in the works in this class. | 00:17:58 | |
Form center. | 00:18:04 | |
Uh, it's in first will be yeah, the the resource pool there. Yep, the northeast. | 00:18:06 | |
Yeah. So it'll be in that corner. So that first will be is, is you have the park on the South and uh, West side and then the, the | 00:18:12 | |
Aquatic Center facility is in the northeast corner. | 00:18:19 | |
Umm, yeah. And so, uh, we, we're currently doing some masquerading to get, you know, the clearing and grubbing done. There's, if | 00:18:33 | |
you, if you are familiar with the site, you'll coolings on bike runs right along the alignment of 3rd Ave. So we're in the process | 00:18:41 | |
of removing that. There's, there's quite a bit of earth work. | 00:18:48 | |
That's that's ahead of us. | 00:18:56 | |
Umm, that's pretty, uh, how, what is, how, how much higher is that the grade? It's, I don't know, 25 feet. And, uh, I think it's | 00:18:57 | |
something for us to talk about maybe offline about your master gradient. And I make sure that you have a mastering plan and, uh, | 00:19:05 | |
with, uh, with us for, for your approval or you start working on areas outside your group, your approved, uh, stages. Mainly | 00:19:12 | |
because we just want to make sure that, uh, two things that, uh, earth work that's being done is not disturbing. Umm. | 00:19:19 | |
Uh, maybe potentially sensitive areas as well as if you have to ensure that we're following the State Department in terms of | 00:19:28 | |
notice of, uh, intent, uh, for, uh, stormwater erosion stuff. So, yeah, we can have a discussion offline about that. Yeah, Find | 00:19:33 | |
out something to talk about in USD. | 00:19:38 | |
OK. Thank you. | 00:19:44 | |
Umm, there's been, so we, we have also the phase two CRE roadway backbone plans that are being reviewed. That's probably one of | 00:19:48 | |
the discussion items is the cross section. | 00:19:54 | |
So that would be on 3rd Ave. and. | 00:20:02 | |
C St. | 00:20:06 | |
And I think D Street. | 00:20:09 | |
The plans may have different names in them because the plans are a little older than this flat umm, but. | 00:20:12 | |
Those are, those are kind of the discussion items on parking, parallel parking with and umm, how we go from 7 to 7 foot parking | 00:20:20 | |
that to an 8. Uh, I don't know if you have cross sections. So if you guys wanna discuss that, but umm, that's kind of where, where | 00:20:29 | |
we're at in the roadway side of review is resolving that. And then I think we're pretty close to do you have a you can pull up. | 00:20:38 | |
But, uh, and then, uh, while, while he's looking for that, umm. | 00:20:48 | |
Let me see my question. Oh, OK, so Bronson is D street because I, I, I'd say as far as the plaque goes for us, like the cross | 00:20:53 | |
section is important. I know we wanted alignment on like the parking. Umm, and then the vicinity map. If you guys could amend that | 00:21:00 | |
and, and change it. It looks like you have an, an older vicinity map that's showing a different site, but just have that, you | 00:21:07 | |
know, where called out the site. Just, you know, use like this area looks like it's different. | 00:21:15 | |
Umm, and then D Street is D Street, the South side of the North Promenade? Is that the South Street of North Promenade? No, it's, | 00:21:23 | |
it's, yeah, the North Promenade is one more block out. OK. So it's not like the road, that South road of the problem it it's a | 00:21:29 | |
block down from that. OK. And so we have another, another version of the phase three plat that actually takes us to the most | 00:21:36 | |
promenade. Mm-hmm. So. | 00:21:42 | |
I'll make sure you guys have that. That's the one we'll want you to to review. Oh, OK. Because it adds Fox 17. Let's see 1617 and | 00:21:49 | |
18 that go up to the North Promenade. | 00:21:55 | |
We didn't feel like it was that that I mean, it's a it's more area obviously to to be looking at, but that also sets us up really | 00:22:02 | |
well to be able to start delivering things to HCI. Yeah. So that I think that's the question that staff has is like is umm, like | 00:22:08 | |
that would be like Main Street or like when, when do you anticipate getting? And I don't know if it, if you're looking at taking | 00:22:15 | |
Main Street up right now for access. | 00:22:21 | |
But what like to serve them I guess within this plat what what would be your first phase from the streets to provide access? It | 00:22:28 | |
would be connecting into Vineyard Connector on 12th North or the North Promenade. | 00:22:33 | |
And then 3rd St. connects into the North Promenade. OK. And then once we see and, and get a better feel for what HCI is needing, | 00:22:38 | |
then we can start making plans on other roses that are connecting to them. But essentially you would do the N Promenade St. so | 00:22:46 | |
that East West and then Third Ave. would then come up to that. At what time would you do Main St. Umm, that's a good question. You | 00:22:53 | |
know, if, if HCI is needing that for any reason or if there's utilities coming up, I think we need to get up there. | 00:23:01 | |
3rd Ave. is our umm, that's our main sewer trunk line, uh, that's paralleling the J line. So we feel like that's a pretty | 00:23:09 | |
important connection to get up in that area. Umm, Main Street I don't think has any like primary Trump lines. There's water loops | 00:23:16 | |
all over the place. The water is all gridded out. Umm, does the trunk line, so the trunk lines running parallel to the third Ave. | 00:23:23 | |
is it in the right of way of 3rd Ave. or is that like any? | 00:23:31 | |
OK. You know, if that's gonna be like street surface or is that in like a park strip or under the sidewalk, under the road? Oh, | 00:23:39 | |
OK, cool. Let's see. We're talking about, I guess the predominant question that I'm worried about from his. Yeah. Your phasing of | 00:23:46 | |
your future plots in order. I mean, is there a time, I guess there's a time, time period that you're trying to get your future | 00:23:53 | |
process as well? The this will this will set us up for quite a while. Mm-hmm. I imagine. | 00:24:00 | |
We'll be down on. | 00:24:07 | |
On Market Street, that's kind of we're, we're getting architectural proposals to do some retail umm liner buildings on Market | 00:24:09 | |
Street that get us over to the train station, but that's in platform for phase one. So we've got 1-2 and three buildings, five and | 00:24:16 | |
six are in phase two plat. So and while cash is looking up the cross section, I know you've emailed us the cross section, your | 00:24:24 | |
proposed cross. | 00:24:31 | |
On Monday so. | 00:24:39 | |
I haven't had time to have proper review. That was just sent out. Part of it was sent over to, uh, our arborist in order to take a | 00:24:42 | |
look at the, the, it's the main issue that was at hand was to ensure that we had proper, uh, soil, uh, base on there. Umm, so I'll | 00:24:49 | |
forward it to you, but I would request that that cross section is not, uh, there's no problem for any kind of, uh, voting type | 00:24:57 | |
item. There's been no acceptance of you and would be, uh, taken on on that. | 00:25:04 | |
Yeah, I, I just need a little more time to review that and you'll just get back to us. And just to clarify to the, yeah, we, we | 00:25:12 | |
definitely need more in a couple of days. The, the, the DFC would only be doing the plat. I think we just wanted to have alignment | 00:25:18 | |
on the cross section. Umm, so that, that, that would be more of an I, I would think I just like your standard staff review. And I | 00:25:24 | |
look, something I want to bring up because I know when we're going through the agenda, I'm trying to get to 1 item being the | 00:25:29 | |
technical review committee. | 00:25:35 | |
That's further on. Oh, that's further down. | 00:25:42 | |
OK, thanks. | 00:25:44 | |
Sorry. | 00:25:46 | |
Thank you. | 00:25:49 | |
OK, good. | 00:25:54 | |
All right. | 00:25:57 | |
I'm looking at the e-mail right now. Bronson just sent it to me. My computer is having some issues though. It won't even download | 00:26:00 | |
anything from sitting inside right now. | 00:26:04 | |
Do you want me to put it like you know, could you get a link? I think I saw it just pop up that it. | 00:26:11 | |
Yeah. | 00:26:18 | |
I've got it up. You want me to just plug it in? OK. | 00:26:29 | |
There we go. | 00:26:36 | |
So the one on the top left is the the bike way, that's the lighter right away and then the one on the right and the one on the | 00:26:40 | |
bottom are the two side streets. So that'll be second. | 00:26:45 | |
Let's see, let's see. | 00:26:52 | |
Do you have a preference on which one we look at first? | 00:26:56 | |
This will just go to the bike license here. | 00:27:00 | |
So the changes that we made were we added the another foot into the parallel parking on both sides. They were seven feet. Umm, we | 00:27:04 | |
tightened up the sidewalk. It was at 8:00. And then I think, uh, there's. | 00:27:12 | |
Oversteer than our buffer, Yeah, so we got, we gained the flip from the sidewalk on the edges. | 00:27:22 | |
There was some discussion about taking width out of the planter and then comments came back that if we, if we narrowed up the | 00:27:29 | |
planter, we would need to go to a small, a smaller tree category. And the medium sized tree was important to us. And so we pulled | 00:27:36 | |
that extra foot out of sidewalk 70 should still provide you. It's when I see people go down like A5 starter and then large. But I | 00:27:44 | |
mean that's part of the question about the sidewalk with and that's something that you we can not talk about. | 00:27:51 | |
Happily, uh, Morgan is, uh, all the time special downtown area sidewalks are uses, uh, sidewalk, uh, sidewalk sidewalk cafes. So | 00:27:59 | |
we would just wanna make sure that we're not causing AADA violation, right by trying to shrink down the sidewalk and then to | 00:28:05 | |
multi-purpose differ a feature sidewalk cafe as well. Umm, you'll, you know, you won't be able to do something else. Yeah, that's | 00:28:11 | |
a good, good point to call out. Mm-hmm. So. | 00:28:18 | |
That's just the again that's just my right now see that that's that's great feedback. I I think you on umm like Market Street, | 00:28:25 | |
where we're gonna have heavy umm retail. If you look at those products, they're not in this one uh, we can do that another time | 00:28:29 | |
with that that shows pretty enormous with and I think I'll accommodate like markets. I mean that's market straight ideas yeah shut | 00:28:34 | |
it down just. | 00:28:39 | |
Umm, farmers markets, outdoor markets, but not, but also just having the space on the exterior. Umm, it's pretty significant. I I, | 00:28:45 | |
I do know that you are proposing a couple like maybe corner areas on the corner. Are you providing like, are you providing a | 00:28:52 | |
little bit more space so that you can yeah, accommodate some outdoor. | 00:28:59 | |
Umm, do you still have the plan? It should be an hour. | 00:29:07 | |
Of the agenda. | 00:29:12 | |
So on UH8A14B. | 00:29:17 | |
10B and 13C, yeah. So this corner. | 00:29:22 | |
This corner right here we've got. | 00:29:29 | |
Corner stores like retail on each of those corners. | 00:29:33 | |
We are, uh, table topping this intersection and so we, we have kind of these bulb out areas, umm, in the intersection. We, we | 00:29:37 | |
haven't really laid any like outdoor seating out in those areas. I think we do have. | 00:29:45 | |
I think in some of the renderings that that we presented at at UMM Planning Commission for site plan approval, we are showing like | 00:29:57 | |
cable engineers right up against the building. | 00:30:01 | |
Umm, and we're typically setting our buildings about 5 feet back. We have 0 lot lines on in the downtown area, but we're setting | 00:30:07 | |
them back for footings and things that are gonna be underground. So you would have essentially. So we would have a little bit of a | 00:30:13 | |
sidewalk abutting like the the right of way. Yeah, not necessarily private sidewalks, but it would probably be like flat work or | 00:30:20 | |
pavers or something of, you know, private. | 00:30:26 | |
Property to build Potentially that would be considered landscaping maintained by the HLA. | 00:30:33 | |
Yeah, but it's, uh, it's probably more likely. But right, Yeah. | 00:30:39 | |
But so I mean totally when that, when that comes up and, and umm, those retailers are being talked to. And if there's a desire to | 00:30:43 | |
come out from an out into the right of way, I'm sure there'd have to be like some kind of permitting or like some kind of process | 00:30:49 | |
where, hey, we wanna put tables and chairs out. Where can we do that safely? And we go back to the section like 11 location that | 00:30:56 | |
we've seen that. | 00:31:02 | |
In other cities is in that where you have the planter, that planter is in the consistent planter all the way down the street. | 00:31:09 | |
It's kind of in block, so when you get out of your car, you'd be able to cross that planting strip area like on pavers or concrete | 00:31:16 | |
or something. So you'll kind of have like a tree and a planter concrete tree and a planter concrete or some kind of walkway | 00:31:23 | |
across. And that could potentially be another area for outdoor seating. Like typically you'll see benches, St. lights, bike racks | 00:31:30 | |
kind of in that. | 00:31:37 | |
Planting buffer area. | 00:31:46 | |
Question what? What's the height of the building? | 00:31:50 | |
UH-88A is 4/14, D is um. | 00:31:55 | |
Five. And then UH-13C here. Let me go back over here. | 00:32:00 | |
So just just speaking to the ones that we have like designed, umm, that would be 1880 and 14 you guys just talked about and then | 00:32:11 | |
13 C right up against Third Ave. We're looking at a A7 story podium building. So the first two would be probably a concrete podium | 00:32:18 | |
and then five stories on top of that. | 00:32:25 | |
Umm, so far departing access. | 00:32:34 | |
She doesn't highlight the numbers anything over 30 feet. | 00:32:36 | |
Notice to a 26 foot. | 00:32:39 | |
Mm-hmm. | 00:32:42 | |
Hopefully we will do about that. | 00:32:50 | |
Yes, when it's residential, there's nothing extra with on the side where the the parking is, so it's set up. It was completely | 00:32:52 | |
blocked off the street even way over that. | 00:32:58 | |
Bringing multiple units from different animals. | 00:33:04 | |
Rather for 20. | 00:33:08 | |
Yeah. And it would be great to, I don't know, we've worked with a lot of your fire marshals in the past. | 00:33:12 | |
And kind of catching up to speed on where we've been and kind of the strategies we've talked about, like take a couple of blocks | 00:33:19 | |
and just do like a, a work session discussion with this group. Umm, because part of what they're, what they're doing, I thought | 00:33:25 | |
it's really interesting. They're putting what they're calling the sales, which are like these internal walkway systems that cut | 00:33:31 | |
through the, the box. Umm, and then at least in the one discussion, I, I wasn't in all of them with the fire Marshall, it is, umm, | 00:33:37 | |
building those. | 00:33:43 | |
So you could bring in a fire truck to access kind of both sides of, of the building. Umm, kinda what? Umm, it varies. Depends. | 00:33:49 | |
Yeah. But if, if we're counting one as a fire access and we're then we're 26 and we're providing that 41 feet every 150 feet or | 00:33:56 | |
something like that. I don't remember the numbers right off top of my head, but I know that for staging you need that 41 foot | 00:34:02 | |
space. | 00:34:09 | |
In order for you to use it as access, you need like 20 or 26. | 00:34:16 | |
So the the sales are are kind of varying in size depending on what the the need is for it. So that the sales are basically running | 00:34:21 | |
mid block in each of these blocks. So if you look at like blocks 13C and 13B, you're seeing that link from 13 B against Third Ave. | 00:34:30 | |
is 242 feet. So we would assume that staging would happen in potentially the intersection of D Street and 3rd Ave. | 00:34:38 | |
At the Paseo crossing and then potentially at the intersection of C at C St. and 3rd Ave. we've got this grid in place so that you | 00:34:47 | |
can get, you know, trucks around. | 00:34:53 | |
Umm through the grid system in in other routes? | 00:34:59 | |
But yeah, I think it would be great to sit down with you and go over kind of the the emergency response strategies we have here. | 00:35:03 | |
That'd be good for, I mean, if you're doing DRC, yeah, everybody would appreciate it, everyone on the same page with that, so. | 00:35:13 | |
Yeah, I, I know you guys have been meeting quite a bit in the past just to see kind of where you landed on it because I, I wasn't | 00:35:20 | |
in all the payments. So it'd be interesting to see kinda, you're utilizing the Paseos and yeah, uh, yeah. To kinda go back to the, | 00:35:27 | |
what's the listing shot on the box? Uh, you still show private roads and TV's, Umm, what's the timeline of having those teams | 00:35:34 | |
determined, uh, in terms of, so we can start recording plots that are, that shows public versus private. | 00:35:41 | |
Umm, that that I know. That's been a question that's been asked multiple times in the past. Yeah, I think that Jamie would | 00:35:50 | |
probably know that a little bit better in the timing. I'm kind of out of loop. It'd be like with our ownership and with city | 00:35:55 | |
attorney and where they're at in those discussions. | 00:36:01 | |
And that's the same thing. That would be something that's what Unreal product comes forward. So the question that I'll be asking | 00:36:08 | |
is what's? | 00:36:11 | |
Of time, because the other aspect is after that we're back. We're have to go through the process of. | 00:36:16 | |
Going through transfers and so forth and I think that would be coming more of a more of an issue trying to do on the rear versus | 00:36:23 | |
doing it up front. Yeah, maybe I have a couple of steps out of a lot more stuff. | 00:36:30 | |
I I think that's something I think, uh, with past we should get, can you get that address first one, not first one officially, | 00:36:38 | |
Yeah, understood. | 00:36:43 | |
Awesome. I know that we're not, we're not going to approve this spot, but I would like to see if we can have some for business. | 00:36:49 | |
Me too. | 00:36:58 | |
Yeah. I mean that's, I mean there's some great points. Maybe we can. | 00:37:00 | |
Do that as as part of that kind of that larger discussion too. Umm, So if you could before you come back, maybe check on your | 00:37:04 | |
side, umm, as soon as you have yeah, because I mean we, I think Gulf city wants to know umm, maintenance is gonna be really | 00:37:13 | |
important. Umm and if we need to, if we're the ones maintained, if the public St. the same guy. I'm just I mean. | 00:37:21 | |
I understand, you know, I'm just saying like for the reason like, you know, we, we need to gear up and be ready for, be ready for | 00:37:31 | |
that maintenance. Yeah. And we, we wanna give you as much time for that as well. | 00:37:35 | |
Yeah, looks a lot. So there's a lot. There's a lot, absolutely. | 00:37:40 | |
OK. | 00:37:55 | |
Umm, thanks, that's a great update. Yep, no problem. So cool. | 00:37:57 | |
OK. | 00:38:04 | |
OK, the next item that we have on our agenda, these next two items are actually just gonna be a quick, quick, uh, update, umm, on | 00:38:11 | |
just some site plan and projects that, that we have in the pipeline and, and the planning department. Umm, so the first one is | 00:38:18 | |
gonna be the, uh, Church of Jesus Christ, Latter day Saints, uh, site plan over in the whole great field development. Umm, | 00:38:24 | |
Anthony, are you on the call? | 00:38:30 | |
Let's see here. | 00:38:39 | |
Yes, I am. OK, Yeah. Is there anything that you want to share with the DRC about this application? Yeah, that's fine. I can share, | 00:38:43 | |
umm, my screen, if you can see that. | 00:38:48 | |
I have the site plan pulled up. | 00:38:56 | |
OK. | 00:39:00 | |
Are you able to share the screen of uh, share my screen? Or it's not possible? | 00:39:05 | |
Don't you have a quick sharing? I'll be cash. I'm curious is this one that has been sent to staff for the review? Yeah, it is | 00:39:13 | |
They, they have submitted, uh, for their, their application into the inspect. OK, umm, just as a quick update, they, they also do | 00:39:20 | |
need a conditional use permit on this application and they do need to get their final plat umm, completed and and approved by by | 00:39:27 | |
you guys. Umm, like so for this meeting. What what, what are you requesting? It's mostly just to give you an update to ask. | 00:39:35 | |
Get your reviews done on that site plan. We want to get these comments back. I was going to say maybe we don't need to do it. I | 00:39:43 | |
mean, sorry, that'd be a chair thing, but I, I don't know if we need to do like a, a full presentation. Yeah yeah, I I was just | 00:39:49 | |
briefly gonna show the site and just say this is, you know, this is the site plan. Please get your reviews done in city inspect. | 00:39:56 | |
Umm and I was just curious if Anthony has anything on top of that, but I I agree. I think we can be quick with this one. | 00:40:03 | |
Yeah, it's basically that the search is closing the meeting house and, umm, there's gonna be a 24, about 24,000 square feet gonna | 00:40:10 | |
consist of a travel house, cultural hall, classrooms, offices and, uh, 30 by 60, uh, pavilion on the east side of the site with | 00:40:18 | |
pic picnic tables and umm, umm, some outdoor seating for outdoor activity. | 00:40:25 | |
And also have, uh, so far with what I've seen with the, uh, application is, is, umm, yeah, validations that will consist of mainly | 00:40:34 | |
breaking the year. And that's about, uh, for the roof. And also have about 200 and exactly 200 and UH-69 parking spaces and umm, | 00:40:42 | |
the, the lawn for landscaping. They're gonna have lawn area rock malls. | 00:40:51 | |
And free freedom scrubs that are drug resistant. | 00:41:01 | |
Uh, I already told them to look into or make uh, restraints, uh, umm, veneer free manual to make sure that they have the right, | 00:41:05 | |
uh, trees for the entire project. Umm, we are currently in the process of applying for final five. They did apply for uh, site | 00:41:14 | |
plan and umm, we act, we have to let them do the final plan first to have the, the lot planned and also. | 00:41:24 | |
Applying for a conditional use for that area and then we can move on to the pipeline. So, umm, you should be expecting to have | 00:41:34 | |
this come to PRC pretty soon. That's all I have for, uh, something about the pipeline on that. Thanks, Anthony. Yeah, umm, again, | 00:41:43 | |
I'm sure this is something that, uh, applicants will be able to address in the future, if not already. | 00:41:51 | |
I, I recall the last time that I have been submitted a similar type of facility in the city that, uh, the landscaping requirement | 00:42:00 | |
did not make the city's landscaping requirements. | 00:42:05 | |
Uh, and they had to do a, umm, product for me, both surface and, and leave that is there is that a could, uh, issue with a | 00:42:10 | |
specific, umm, Anthony, I, I, I don't know if you heard that question, but in the team asked if they're, if you've measured their | 00:42:16 | |
landscaping here, they're gonna meet that or if they're gonna have to do some sort of been impervious surface in the parking as | 00:42:22 | |
they did in that search in the Hamptons. | 00:42:28 | |
It hasn't been entirely, uh, uh, reviewed on that. I'd like to, Oh well, we'll, we'll take care of that. I, I believe though, and | 00:42:35 | |
Anthony, if you could look into this with Morgan, umm, I believe that's a water's edge specific code. Uh, what was about the, the | 00:42:42 | |
parking lot having some, umm, impervious surface if it extended over a certain. | 00:42:49 | |
Amou amount of service I I don't, I don't believe that's citywide. So we'll, we'll look into it, We'll make sure we catch that. | 00:42:57 | |
Bronson wrote that code so. | 00:43:05 | |
OK, so the next item that we just quickly wanted to let let the DRC know about is we are going to be getting the site plan for or | 00:43:12 | |
we do have the site plan for the orchard seven and eight. It's the live work unit. So they're proposing umm. | 00:43:19 | |
Here's their their site here. Umm, so just keep an eye on this and city inspect, make sure that that we get our reviews on it. | 00:43:28 | |
We're we're aiming to get this to Planning Commission umm, and it by the 21st. So it would be coming to DRC looks like on the 15th | 00:43:33 | |
umm. | 00:43:38 | |
So, yeah, if you guys have any questions or concerns about that, you can, uh, reach out to me on that. | 00:43:45 | |
OK, so that leaves, uh, Naseem did want to have a discussion, umm, related to technical review committee. Of course, if I could | 00:43:53 | |
just really quick on the umm on the orchards. It looks like they're showing a reverse angle design for the parking to something. I | 00:44:00 | |
thought so if we the updated one has OK yeah, sorry this we just need those for the one that he'll submit in the portal. We'll | 00:44:08 | |
have OK Yeah, Dave. Yep, they switched it to. | 00:44:15 | |
You want to pull up that flow chart machine? Yeah, please pull up the flow chart. | 00:44:22 | |
That way I can do this without. | 00:44:31 | |
You know and this uh, I sent the flow charts uh as a reply all to everyone on the group uh. This is not something that uh | 00:44:36 | |
relatively new to both, but uh might be new to a few people who have uh uh more recent uh uh in essence, just wanted to discuss | 00:44:43 | |
about the uh, whether they're passing the subdivision ordinance uh setting up the form of the RC that uh uh activate that uh in a | 00:44:50 | |
discussion that we've been working on on our internal. | 00:44:57 | |
Some changes in terms of our. | 00:45:05 | |
Revisions in terms of what the requirements for preliminary thoughts, final thoughts and such moving forward. Umm, there's a | 00:45:09 | |
technical review. Uh, there's a, an essence, There's gonna be a technical review too many, uh, whereby, uh, the engineering, uh, | 00:45:16 | |
on that, uh, it's not a formal community in terms of, uh, it is not a, it's not, it's not open to the public. It's not a, umm, you | 00:45:22 | |
know, it's not recording. | 00:45:28 | |
In essence, it looks very similar to going through and reviewing plans in terms of, umm, season, yeah, reviewing plans and, uh, | 00:45:35 | |
the planning, uh, platform that we have or, and we'll have, umm, that and provide comments and timely manner. But, uh, I just | 00:45:43 | |
wanted to, uh, show the technical review, uh, process closed, right? Uh, once this, uh, both are, has been, uh, uh, times that, | 00:45:50 | |
that's a little bit more, uh, especially, uh, uh, sat down with, uh, the city manager. | 00:45:58 | |
Uh, well, we, we plan on providing this flow chart, uh, for, for the public service time, someone submit an application for | 00:46:06 | |
technical review and the person who's adapting his name, you can actually see what the process is like and umm, uh, his license | 00:46:13 | |
this way. They didn't, they don't have the question of, uh, what, uh, how things are, how things are being handled. Uh, along with | 00:46:19 | |
this process, umm, we'll be providing kind of like timelines in terms of right now, the current timeline that we have. | 00:46:26 | |
On the table for discussions when it, when the application is submitted, that the initial comments that provide to uh, two weeks. | 00:46:34 | |
So yeah, two weeks, uh, uh, after the application has been submitted. | 00:46:40 | |
And I'll be having discussion with, uh, uh, Patrick, uh, senior engineer in regards to, uh, if, uh, we want to have it, where the | 00:46:48 | |
applications are accepted, uh, at a certain time, so that domestication. So in essence, we wouldn't have an application submitted | 00:46:55 | |
on Friday. We might get applications must be submitted by a certain date of the week, day of the week. Uh, and then you go through | 00:47:03 | |
this process and if on that low, low bottom, uh, table on the very bottom. | 00:47:10 | |
Kind of shows like other people that would be on the technical review committee, umm, on their PW news of the works that public | 00:47:17 | |
works engineer, other works and streets, other works, uh, water steward, public works, uh, grounds, umm. | 00:47:24 | |
OK, other works down. So we have parks and Rec, uh, we have, uh, armed fire, uh, as well. Uh, and then we have like, uh, for | 00:47:32 | |
example, like contractor planning as well. And then after the outside agencies with outside agencies to the example, like the dot, | 00:47:40 | |
uh, Central Utah water TSSC, etcetera, would just be handled as, umm, through the engineering. Uh, folks just to make sure that, | 00:47:47 | |
uh, it's time to put the time to put the burden back on ourselves. So we're not having their commun. | 00:47:55 | |
That other, uh, department slash divisions are not, uh, having to handle additional calls, uh, uh, and handle additional work. | 00:48:02 | |
Umm. So we're going to work on being a policy test in place. Uh, this is more of an internal policy. Uh, and it may, uh, we may, | 00:48:10 | |
uh, depend on the discussion of the same measure. We may bring this to City Council more of a presentation slash workshops as soon | 00:48:17 | |
as you have the transparency of the public of we're trying to make our customer service better. | 00:48:25 | |
Here in Vineyard, uh, office through our residents and also to our businesses and our contractors, uh, because you know, they're, | 00:48:33 | |
they're our customers, but I also want to, umm, put this out there on the group. So, uh, this document's been, uh, work in | 00:48:39 | |
progress for some time, but if anyone on this group has comments to this flow chart, if you see something that is missing, | 00:48:46 | |
something that is required, uh, please provide those comments to myself and Patrick and we will definitely, uh. | 00:48:53 | |
So that in consideration incorporated and definitely if you have questions. | 00:49:01 | |
We have the product, we're not having to, we're, we're making it more easier, but I appreciate that, chair, wasn't the recent | 00:49:35 | |
resolution that was reviewed and or passed, uh, also indicating that, that there are a certain number of times that they can try | 00:49:41 | |
this Three times, I think. | 00:49:47 | |
Maybe maybe we put a little footnote or a, a note off to the side that would remind, yeah, I appreciate that. And we'll do that | 00:49:54 | |
too as well. We'll have that. I think we'll put some references in terms of our code. So if someone uses flow charts, we'll have a | 00:49:59 | |
please refer to code, uh, blah, blah, blah and such. Yeah, that's good. Appreciate that feedback. And then last, last question, I | 00:50:05 | |
think it's helpful to know. | 00:50:10 | |
At what stage in the process is are they submitting the technical review? So like let's say they already have a a lot in place and | 00:50:15 | |
they're they're doing a site plan are are they doing technical sort of review before that? Are they doing that as far as like the | 00:50:22 | |
final plat? So, so the final plat they submit that go through the process as we have it now and then they will submit the | 00:50:28 | |
technical re review to engineering and then you would distribute that. | 00:50:35 | |
Umm. | 00:50:42 | |
Is that is that yeah. So we, we can, yeah. And we'll put some log out together. And this is just one of the one to five and series | 00:50:43 | |
of five. And I'll definitely have something here because I think with the, umm, time to spend the validations that we've had with | 00:50:51 | |
everyone put together. Uh, when you say if then, uh, if then, uh, or statement, uh, engineers pick up and uh, we'll definitely, | 00:50:58 | |
uh, put together some flow charts where, uh, you know, it provides advance, umm, like some guidance that also provides. | 00:51:06 | |
So because we we understand that some options would like to use and the things a little earlier and take a risk. | 00:51:14 | |
And then the mapping sale, uh, which is to, uh, submit things at near and, uh, alleviate any high risk, uh, for example, like our | 00:51:19 | |
line of service permit without service permits, Umm, but they've seen them before. Uh, official site plans may be approved. Uh, | 00:51:26 | |
but they're taking 100% of the risk that the fact that won't be improved. So, umm, and, and maybe having clarification of some of | 00:51:34 | |
the terminology if, because I, uh, I've heard the, the technical review process. | 00:51:41 | |
Also called land disturbance permit. And so you know, if, if, if are those the same? If, if they are maybe just kind of having | 00:51:49 | |
that clarified somewhere, umm, or we just use the same type of turn out terminology that that's actually confusing. | 00:51:57 | |
And I'll definitely feedback and we'll make sure that I, I, I expect that, uh, in another Patrick's documentation that he'll have, | 00:52:07 | |
uh, parked, uh, done by noon today. I think he just spoke to a notification. I saw one. | 00:52:13 | |
No, uh, yeah, I'm definitely welcome, put something out, but, uh, uh, in a timely manner. Uh, and so we also wanna make sure that | 00:52:21 | |
we don't have to, uh, take 10 steps back because we didn't decide to. So, umm, yeah. So, uh, uh, uh, with this, with the, with the | 00:52:28 | |
comments that you provided, if your staff, uh, have any additional feedback, please, yeah, please provide that to us. And our | 00:52:35 | |
intent is to, before we kinda go live on this to, to take a Tuesday council as they kind of visit presentation. | 00:52:42 | |
This way it's fully transparent. | 00:52:49 | |
I don't have. | 00:52:52 | |
I think that is it for the agenda. I did wanna add though, that you have any feedback for me in terms of the agenda, in terms of | 00:52:54 | |
how this meeting runs. Uh, you can run that through me and I'll work in the same on, on making this hopefully a little bit more | 00:53:01 | |
streamlined and, and, and better for everybody. So I think the bylaws too, you get those right. Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry. | 00:53:07 | |
Umm, so the technical is the, the code right now, the municipal code doesn't have a technical review. So he's been putting it in a | 00:53:14 | |
line of service on it and planning to break this item to his own dispute committee and the current municipal code with a separate | 00:53:20 | |
process from the latest service permit. No, I can't. It kind of was Morgan was saying that we probably just need to fix the | 00:53:26 | |
terminal terminology in terms of, uh, in terms of that more like what we'll just do is we'll kind of put this together and then | 00:53:32 | |
call it call and label. | 00:53:38 | |
Proper label that makes sense, but uh, let everyone know that this is where the technical reviews occur. Uh, it doesn't, it does | 00:53:44 | |
detect in global reviews don't happen at the VRC technical at the VRC provides the, you know, the feedback, but the technical | 00:53:52 | |
review of like which widgets, the widgets and gadgets will happen at this process. So to, to answer your questions, Patricia, | 00:53:59 | |
it's, I think it's more just a nomenclature, but then that's why before we go live, uh, all the time, I have to sit down. | 00:54:07 | |
You have to make sure that we're not doing anything, uh, that's going to uh, uh, mess everything up. | 00:54:14 | |
OK. | 00:54:24 | |
Then, uh, I believe it's up to the chair to, uh, join the meeting. | 00:54:26 | |
Do I make the motion to adjourn or do I ask the motion? I'll make a motion, please, Right second. | 00:54:31 | |
All in favor. | 00:54:40 |