Start Position
Commissioner Bramwell led the Pledge of Alligence    OPEN SESSION-   MINUTES REVIEW AND APPROVAL:1    January,22
MOTION: COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS RECORDED. COMMISSIONER JENKINS SECONDED THE MOTION. VICE-CHAIR BRADY, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL, AND COMMISSIONER JENKINS VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   BUSINESS ITEMS1    No business items were presented   WORK SESSION1
Stormwater Inspector Justine Marshall presented a training.   COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSION DISCLOSURE1
City Engineer reported on a conference he attended. Community Development Director gave instructions regarding the Planning Commissions ability to act on the current referendum.   Commissioner Blackburn discussed the traffic impacts of the possible island development. Commissioner Jenkins asked Mr. Ghandour about the trial connection to the Frontrunner Station. Mr. Ghandour stated that the trail connection is still in the works.   ADJOURNMENT Vice-Chair Brady adjourned the meeting. Minutes Approved On: March,22 CERTIFIED BY:   /s/ Cache Hancey                          Cache Hancey, Planning Technician
Everybody, this is the Planning Commission meeting. It is February 2nd, 2022. We'll start. Chris will give us the Pledge of 00:00:01
Allegiance. 00:00:06
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:14
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:20
All right. Thank you. 00:00:31
Yes, it is 2/2/22 correct. 00:00:33
All right. We'll move into an open session if anybody has any public comments. 00:00:38
No, alright, move out of the open session on to minutes for review and approvals. Anybody, I mean anybody looked at those that 00:00:43
need to? 00:00:48
I've just looked at the very fine edition of it and it looks fine to me. I would move that we, I would make a motion that we 00:00:55
approve the minutes as presented. Do I have a second? I'll second that All in favor. Aye. All right. We'll move straight into the 00:01:02
work session with Justine Marshall talking about some of our public works, the storm water management. 00:01:08
All right. Just really quick, I'll, I'll, I'll go ahead and introduce. 00:01:16
Justine Marshall, she lives at our stormwater inspector. And well, what's the stormwater manager? Those the the titles you hold? 00:01:21
MS-4 Coordinator Justine has been at the city now for how long. It was been about a year, about a year and she was awesome. She's 00:01:31
taking our stormwater inspections and our overall stormwater program in the city to to on a new level. And I really do mean that. 00:01:39
The amount of emphasis that has been put on our development and making sure our stormwater is taken care of and treat properly is 00:01:47
has really gone up quite, quite a bit and hats off to to Justin and all of her hard work. 00:01:55
Just a little bit about Destiny, she. 00:02:03
She was published. I don't know, we have an academic in the room. She was published in the 2015 file edition of Rocky Mountain 00:02:07
Geology. She spent two years working for the City of Omaha storm water department. And she was the vice president of Uno's 00:02:15
Environmental and Sustainability Club. Who who's the one? I was at University of Alaska. OK, OK, great. She has overall eight 00:02:23
years of experience working with stormwater and environmental. 00:02:30
Now something else taking my to is that she is a very popular bar chief mixologist. That's such a her second job. So if you ever 00:03:15
have any music festivals you know you know you need the dry beverage. Justin can make it right for you. So anyway. 00:03:24
Interview and feature N constantly Journal for middle fashion. 00:03:35
Jon Taffer would be very proud of you. He likes old fashioned. That's. 00:03:40
Bar Rescue. If you guys watch that show, good show. Anyway, find any further blue? We'll turn it over to Justin. 00:03:45
And the problem with urbanization is it creates a lot more impervious surfaces. So when that storm water falls, it doesn't soak 00:06:29
into the ground and it just runs off with those pollutants. So. 00:06:34
A city black actually creates 5 times more runoff than if it were to the rain would have fallen with a natural vegetative area. 00:06:42
What what what would you say for Utah lake is the greatest pollutant? Is it going to be from like non source point or? 00:06:50
Or is there like a lot of source point, like specific sites that are contributing to the So both sites are going to contribute but 00:06:59
you're going to get so the number one pollutant affecting Lake Utah is phosphorus. So you're going to get a lot of that phosphorus 00:07:07
from 9 point sources such as lands, golf courses, everything that's being fertilized. 00:07:14
And then nitrogen as well. 00:07:23
Set OK. 00:07:26
I'm just going to show a quick video kind of going over what? 00:07:30
You don't know how to play it. 00:07:38
Oh, here we go. 00:07:42
So you have the wolf from the runoff and the open it's your yards, your driveways. 00:07:52
I put the depot and it goes into our storm water system such as pipes and Clover's. 00:07:57
Accept the potence that we went over and that all of that ends up in our water bodies, because your mother is often not treated. 00:08:02
So you actually miss forest. So in MS-4 is a conveyance system of eight, and that can be storm water to your local water body. 00:08:15
That can include your your ditches, your culverts, your stormwater pirates, roads like anything else. The channel for water is 00:08:22
included in the definition of an MS-4. 00:08:30
Some other points. In 1999, they extended that rule to include what they called small inner spores, and that's in a city with a 00:09:21
population greater than 10,000. 00:09:27
Souvenirs population reached about 10,000 threshold in 2016 and then they were required to get a small Ms. for for a permit, 00:09:34
establish A stormwater department and come up with a stormwater management plan. 00:09:40
If you guys have any questions just like going out there? 00:09:51
So here's a video. 00:09:55
What some of the responsibilities of an Mississippi for? 00:09:57
Water supply happens at these days, which provides the leverage of water. No matter where our water comes from, we can talk about 00:10:02
them. 00:10:06
And to be born in circles and change them after water cycle. 00:10:16
Rivers, astronomers. 00:10:30
We all. 00:10:34
Fortunately, it doesn't have to be this way we can prevent contamination from happening. 00:10:54
Meet the best management practices on farms and industries. 00:11:00
They can manage bubble from rules and driveways by naturalizing our yards. 00:11:06
You can protect green space and create buffers off along rivers and turns. 00:11:12
We can go to control and storm our regulations in place. 00:11:18
Protecting modern resources has been developed for such experiences for most tourism and the shows of the quality of life for our 00:11:23
families and teacher generation. 00:11:28
So now that you guys know what an Ms. 4 is, what exactly does an MS-4 do? So there's approximately 70,000 permitted Ms. fours, 00:11:36
including large and small that exist in our country and we operate under this National Potent Discharge Elimination System permit. 00:11:45
And with that permit, you have to implement what's called a stormwater management plan and you describe the string of the control 00:11:55
practices that we're going to implement that are consistent with the permit that. 00:12:02
Each state issues. So the states will take the EPA's general permit and then they'll issue a statewide permit that has to at least 00:12:10
include the minimum requirements of that permit. They can get stricter. Most statement youths are going to have stricter 00:12:16
regulations. So like in DC they have to treat the 0.125 inch swimming that we're here in Utah, we don't have to treat 1/2 inch 00:12:23
strong event. So our regulations are a lot more elapsed because we are a similar area climate. Wait a second, general state in the 00:12:29
nation, so. 00:12:36
Stormwater isn't as big of a concern in the West as East, but it's becoming a greater concern as we develop them dwelling 00:12:43
population. 00:12:48
So that any PDF under score permanently requires permits to develop and implement A comprehensive, stronger management plan. And 00:12:55
this plan includes pollution prevention measures, treatment or removal techniques, monitoring of water quality, use of a legal 00:13:01
authority such as that stock work order that I've had to issue twice this year that we talked about in on the construction site. 00:13:07
And all of this is geared to control the quality of stormwater discharge to our storm drains, which ultimately all end up in Lake 00:13:13
Utah. 00:13:19
They will return it on site. They don't want it to like be diverted off site and just direct it to the local water body. Because 00:14:36
when the rain falls on site and is able to like go into the ground that there's this thing called the Catalan exchange that occurs 00:14:42
between water and soil. And actually the soil and the plant roots will pick up those pollutants and like basically clean the water 00:14:48
for us And then that saves us a lot of money too. 00:14:54
But erratically is focused on TMBLS, it's a Twitter maximum delivered but currently doing a site specific standard study and Utah 00:15:01
Lake that should be completed in 2024. So we don't, so we don't like is considered impaired but we don't have established Cmdos to 00:15:10
give to contractors if you like. You have to meet these requirements for fast first nitrogen CSS and cells for example. But that's 00:15:18
coming down the pipeline in the future based on the regular local Troy meetings and right here. 00:15:26
If you if developers work along Jordan River, that does have an established team deal, so. 00:15:35
Everyone reviewing like stormwater documentations for that area, they're going to have a different set of requirements that we 00:15:41
have here in Vineyard. 00:15:45
If that makes sense. It's also given that the program is also going to focus on program management. I can draft this program 00:15:50
management plan, but if I'm not implementing it, then we're not really doing what we need to be doing. So we can't just have a 00:15:55
plan. I also have to implement that. 00:16:01
And then with the student annual report to the state showing that how how you achieved your goals and like your practices that you 00:16:07
said that you were going to do. 00:16:12
And yeah, you can't just say, oh, we're going to make the water better. You actually can't have measurable goals. So I have to 00:16:17
come up with a documentation showing that we reached X amount of citizens with this message. We trained X amount of developers on 00:16:25
these topics and we trained all of our support employees on spotting mechanism discharge or the Planning Commission on stormwater. 00:16:32
So we recently updated the Vineyard Store water management plan. We're required to update it each year and give a report to the 00:16:43
state on what changes we need and why. 00:16:48
And when I sign up this report, I'm hitting sixty areas. They're called minimum control measures. So I have to make sure that we 00:16:55
are conducting public education outreach on storm water. I have to make sure that I'm getting a general contract with the general 00:17:03
public and stakeholders involved in storm water management. And I have to like educate the public and employees on how to defect 00:17:10
an IDD. And if we get an IDD complaint like Cash just emailed me last week about our linking. 00:17:17
Oil from a car in a neighborhood. I went out there to investigate it and I found two other. 00:17:25
IDD problems. I hung up door hangers and just educated the public. I'm like why we came into stockpiles in the yard, why we can't 00:17:31
invent some cars. 00:17:35
And then I always give him a card to call my questions too. Do you have an enforcement mechanism in the code where I, I think the 00:17:41
warning thing is great in the education, That's probably how we should always lead with code enforcement. But with something like 00:17:47
that, if they don't do anything and you, you come back and still leak in oil or they have you know, a bunch of construction debris 00:17:53
that just in in the street or you know on the driveway or whatever. Do we have some sort of a mechanism to like either through 00:17:59
fines or? 00:18:05
A ratatouille is 1 friend stockpiles in the world, which is my #1 complaint I received. It's not the harmony we're doing it. It's 00:18:44
for women's people. And oftentimes when I go out and try to speak to those landscapers that are language barriers or they're just 00:18:49
there for the day and they don't, they just don't really care. They just go to do their job and they'll leave. They won't 00:18:55
necessarily even clean up their mess. 00:19:00
So that's been some difficulties that I've seen enforcing this. I've been having in particular in those four few weeks range and 00:19:06
the doctors, those are car that was Ricky mass amounts of oil and they kept going out there trying to get ahold of people out of 00:19:14
the utility records to find out who locomotion. And then I found out the home was being used as an airplane B, which you guys were 00:19:22
talking about before the meeting started and the homeowners didn't actually live there. So I talked to Sullivan about my options. 00:19:30
And we could have done like a notice of violation on where you killed it though. 00:19:38
I believe. 00:19:43
OK, there wasn't a lot of power that I had been forced with. So and ultimately I had to go out there and clean it up. And I just 00:19:48
kept going out there three times a week until I eventually got any contact with the homeowner and I just explained like how this 00:19:54
wasn't OK and that I was going to have to charge them and client see if that continued and that solved the problem. 00:20:01
So have. 00:20:09
Wow. 00:20:12
The policies and so forth, It's much stricter at the state level, and some of the others actually work. That happens to be a very 00:20:17
good point for the city can take their stable example. 00:20:30
And actually have ordinances codes in place that will allow the city staff to be more. 00:20:44
And I think a lot more enforcement. 00:20:50
And take care of, take care of issues and of course, just like you said this earlier, my understanding. 00:20:52
Take care of the problem. So to have us up to a heavier thing to in essence set the standard and as well as. 00:20:59
Having, for example, a bilateral session that would allow us to. 00:21:09
Do more broad in terms of like interpretation of what's the impact of the impacts to the surrounding environment. So we can call 00:21:15
it out to adjusting ordinance which is something that I would like to update with the coding department feature we'll get there. I 00:21:22
I was also just going to say another way of enforcement and if there's a vehicle that's been parked there for a while we can't use 00:21:28
our service department to to get those cars to move. 00:21:34
Doesn't necessarily solve the problem, but hopefully fix it off of the street. 00:21:41
So there's other ways we can try and mitigate the issue. 00:21:46
I'm going to say there's a short video just about how extreme other dollars are spent. This was created by the city of Durham, so 00:21:50
it's not Vineyard specific. We have a little bit, we have different options, but overall it's like a a big general overview. 00:21:58
You see, we've all contributed to the growth of our services that are created in our city and in building. So we all play a role 00:22:08
in the problems caused by storm water. 00:22:13
So that you are a part, we should take our stronghold intelligence based on the amount of art service that we have our public. 00:22:19
Storm Water Services uses this stormwater majority to fund many activities that you probably never even do about. 00:22:27
For instance, the storm water service team is responsible, so we don't do anything. But there's a project I'm working on where we 00:22:35
I want to start monitoring water quality. 00:22:40
Maintenance of a hundreds of miles of pipes that make up a public railing system to prevent spills in that house. 00:22:50
One problem's on that. 00:22:58
The people of Stormwater services managed to repair the public training system so that if you guys have ever met Chris Thomas, 00:22:59
who's the one that I work with on these types of problems. 00:23:04
This great news is erosion and flooding. 00:23:10
When there is a sure backup, often caused by a huge pour down brains, strongholders that were on the scene without cranes and 00:23:13
stuff. 00:23:17
Reducing the growing population on our water. 00:23:21
Stormwater Services Find solutions for cleaning stormwater in areas of the city that are already built out of homes or businesses. 00:23:26
Cortana. 00:23:34
Stream restorations, prepared damaged bags and and back in flights and finally strong water services teaches people lying to you 00:23:38
how to make small machines that make big differences in protecting our water. Why picking up after the dog? We actually have 25 00:23:47
butlers stations and vineyards with a luggage. I was out here. 00:23:56
And properly disposing of toxic products. And we partner with Utah County for their household hazardous waste collection. I 00:24:09
believe it occurs in April every year, so just remember the next time you enjoy an ice cream show. 00:24:15
So I'm going to go over the six Newman control measures really quick. It's just a brief overview. So minimum control measure one, 00:24:26
it's related to public education outreach and the goal is educating the general public and community stakeholders about local 00:24:33
stormwater issues. You do that with them, web pages, community events, brochures, film stations. So currently remember the Utah 00:24:40
Counselor Mark Coalition and they go to all the schools and venue every year and present to the 6th grade class. 00:24:47
And then we also do an event called where we had a stormwater booth and we had, I think about 2000 people attend that event in 00:24:55
October. 00:24:59
And then presentation. 00:25:05
In the future, I want to get involved with we do this thing called Science Saturdays every weekend Vineyard and we signed up for 00:25:10
two of those events. So I'm excited about that. We're going to do an engineering week this month and for the Vineyard schools with 00:25:16
machine and we're going to get it towards watercolor, water quality, sustainability and we're also looking up the website to make 00:25:22
it more interactive to the public works during that storm water. 00:25:29
MC and tears are about public involvement and participation. When I first started I didn't understand the difference between MC1 00:25:38
and MC2. So MC one is all about like education and an MC2 is about gaming. The public involved like hands-on. So the picture on 00:25:45
the right I worked with Park City and there was killed Valduta they go out and they do stream thing restoration projects. We went 00:25:52
out and created these artificial Beaver dams. 00:25:59
Because when you improve the stream, they make if a wildfire, once it comes through, it acts as like a natural wildfire 00:26:07
prevention. We have a healthy legislation. You don't have a bag of brain scars, you have less erosion. 00:26:14
And we can't really do that. 00:26:21
County, but I love talking with other organizations. 00:26:25
And then the picture on the a cleanup that serving organized with the local church and what a pretty good turn out for that event. 00:26:29
That was a fun day. So we do a lot of beach cleanups for Oakley, Anna and Nelson organizers, our beach cleanup. Over 30 years ago, 00:26:37
we had the largest lake clinic in Utah that she organized here in Vineyard, so that was really exciting. 00:26:45
Insane today is all about that arrested discharge detection elimination. 00:26:56
So the goal of that is just keeping prudence out of the sendering system. 00:27:00
Recently contacted me and talking about an area that they're having trouble with that our track is getting along their border. So 00:27:37
talk to Anna about adding that spot and cleaning up from earth into real receptive to that. 00:27:43
So it's also it's not just Vineyard, it's about working with like Oil and London Fovo to achieve all these goals because like 00:27:50
yeah, we have our city, but that doesn't mean I still want a pollution in with our boundaries, like what affect our other like 00:27:55
local communities. 00:28:00
So thank you for you guys. Got to go in with construction site inspection with me. I spoke about 30% of my time on construction 00:28:09
site can show because that's our biggest concern here in Vineyard. We are growing at a crazy rapid rate if you guys are aware of 00:28:16
and setting it is the number one stormwater pollutant. So having that in CM4 and spending the most time making sure that we're 00:28:22
reducing the United States and going through Utah is my highest priority. 00:28:29
And so the newest completely built out expected will remain the highest priority. 00:28:36
And Morgan and Brian live the Dorsey and I'm pretty sure. 00:29:18
So in the future, in the future I only have increased opportunities to train contractors and developers have materials like this 00:29:25
with you guys. Tonight I'm going to update the city standards and codes and regulations like missing talked about just to make it 00:29:30
easier for me that do your job in first. 00:29:36
The regulations. 00:29:42
So. 00:29:46
So this has gotten a lot of attention at the state level. They updated the permit in May of 2021 and we. 00:29:49
And then that actually gets filed with the poverty deed. And if they sell that property, the new owner either has to update that 00:30:33
plan or follow it. So it's a legally binding document. 00:30:38
And then in the future, I want the permit requires me to go back and retrofit existing businesses that also qualify that like 00:30:44
didn't have to go through this process because it wasn't a requirement. 00:30:49
I mean ECM is all about pushing prevention and Good Housekeeping and that really pertains to like facilities owned by us. 00:30:59
So the day of that introducing story, not a portion from city owned facilities maintenance charge states, parking lots and other 00:31:07
buildings and this includes the upkeep of RMS 4 system. So we need to make sure afford aging types like we get those fixed, we 00:31:13
don't want any blockages. We're out there looking as we develop, we're going to get more restaurants and in fact oil and greens 00:31:19
will become more of a concern here in Vineyard. 00:31:24
And so in the future, I want to identify the high priority seating sites and then repair the draft slips for those system or 00:31:32
pollution prevention plan and the weekly inspections of those sites. 00:31:37
So it's so cool like vineyard, like the fastest growing that the city in the nation like. And as beautiful Guitar Lake and Utah 00:31:45
Lake is getting so much attention. I recently went to like the Utah Lake Summit just to find out about like what is coming down 00:31:53
the pipeline for regulation gymnastic. And my job is just solely concentrating on making sure that the stormwater quality readings 00:32:01
are even going and see Utah Lake is as good as it can be. So that's that's like where I focus. 00:32:09
So what people are really focusing on, Utah Lake is. 00:32:17
What's gonna happen with climate change, however? Increasing wildfire and droughts going to affect that stormwater setting, that 00:32:21
pollution, What's going to happen with the toxic eligible rooms? Or they're going to get worse, because if we're going to build 00:32:27
like this awesome downtown waterfront and venue, but then they can't use Utah Lake. 00:32:33
I just want to make sure like we're not contributing to that problem. 00:32:41
I'm really excited in this site specific standards which are going to like be geared towards the total system so it's faster than 00:32:45
Nitrogen. 00:32:49
So here is a short video. So everybody is also referred to as great infrastructure. It's the same thing, but these are just some 00:32:55
types of lighting features. 00:33:00
Already can be stuck through it but. 00:33:08
And this video really focuses on the non structure which is using a lot of native vegetation which has longer roots so it's able 00:33:11
to like. 00:33:16
It's better for Stone Medical. 00:33:21
Think of appointments with Stonewood. Actually can, like, soak in and doesn't just run off. 00:33:26
Can I start these connections? You're going to use that storm water as irrigation water for airlines you're using that water? 00:33:33
Guidance are a little bit more difficult here in Utah because. 00:33:41
We're switching down state. 00:33:46
Better for Utah won't require quite as much water. 00:33:49
I suppose it is similar. You can choose native species that are drunk, they don't use a lot of water chew vaccine or something. 00:33:55
I'm really excited about incorporating the downtown vineyard. 00:34:01
Have you got a choice? Actually, this is the urban island effect, which makes it more hot and thinking of an urban tree canopy. 00:34:10
I love ideal green streets and our ways. I want to also incorporate what's called 0 skipping like. 00:34:24
Astroturf gravel. Like, really pretty landscaping that It also focuses on weather conservation. 00:34:32
There's a really quick project called recurrent way that's actually focusing on main conservation and. 00:34:46
Doctors names and then make sure. 00:34:52
Yeah, I live in shorelines. I feel like, where carways can be a great example of all three of those, lad. 00:35:00
Can residents legally keep stormwater in like storage on their property? 00:35:08
Yes, yes, they can. They can harvest stormwater roads are permitting feed that goes through a permitting process for the state. I 00:35:16
can't remember if it's the cutoff is 1000 gallons or 1500 gallons, but I think you can actually do 2, but there is a process to do 00:35:22
that and allow you to do that cool. 00:35:27
They're responding to be worked in Omaha is actually illegal to harvest storm water and we promoted it and we would have rain 00:35:34
barrel art can test think about rain barrels and the rain barrel creation demonstrations, but I don't. 00:35:41
I don't want to promote anything illegal here so so there has a lot of knowledge on there and I guess I. 00:35:48
And so they says, OK, well, if that's the case, then your waters is causing damage to my property. And so that forced the state to 00:36:24
go back in and reevaluate that. So they've come up with these guidelines, but you can harvest rainwater, OK. 00:36:30
Yeah, there's a limit, yeah. 00:36:37
Our requirements as a city to manage that. So why is this important to you guys as elected officials? 00:36:40
So clean water is a vital and essential asset for every community and residents. 00:36:51
So how do we keep? 00:36:57
How do we keep it so that everyone has clean drinking water? You can recruit on Utah Lake and we have a beautiful community that 00:37:00
is rush and green, but we're also focusing on those water conservation goals because we have been an extreme drought for so long. 00:37:07
So we do some partnerships. 00:37:15
We work with. 00:37:17
But in the past, a lot of, not a lot of attention was directed towards Storm Island management and just kind of got pushed on the 00:38:03
back burner. And that's starting to change. It seems to have to kind of like educate people as you go, because a lot of people 00:38:09
didn't even know about this like 5-10 years ago. 00:38:14
So you want your stakeholders supporting restaurant for community support because these programs require money and community 00:38:23
support. If people are going to pay taxes and fees, they want to know how has they never been spent. 00:38:30
So they have to see that like these systems work, they have to support them, they have to look good, they have to add to the value 00:38:37
of the community. And economic development is also very important. So when they can show developers and contractors that these LID 00:38:44
practices can actually save them money in the long term if they are easier to get them on board. 00:38:50
So how are you still running a sustainable manner? Because that's important to the quality of life, economic development and 00:38:57
ultimately the quality of space initiative, which is one of the most important things in Vineyard right now as we're building this 00:39:02
downtown area. 00:39:07
So recommendations that I would make when you're thinking about. 00:39:13
If I come to you in the future with like coaching with you, I'm doing all of this with like the goals of being efficient with 00:39:18
taxpayer money, educating the community on local issues of the understand these fees because. 00:39:25
Have you had your Rosario taxes in Omaha by 70%? We have combined sewer systems, so our sanitary system and our storm water system 00:39:33
systems were combined and we got a lot more rainfall in Omaha than you here and we were dumping last sewage. 00:39:41
We're getting water that should go to the loose water treatment plant directly into the Missouri River 96 * a year. Kansas City 00:39:51
was downstream of us and we were having to clean up our pollution. They got pretty angry. They went to the EPA. We were getting 00:39:57
this food, and then the EPA came to us and we ended the path. We do a $2 billion combined sale separation project and someone had 00:40:03
to pay for that. 00:40:09
So yeah, so be mindful of these things as you build our city. 00:40:18
Do you guys have any questions? 00:40:24
I actually have. 00:40:28
Or three. The first one is you mentioned that you revised the storm water management plan and that you have to highlight the major 00:40:29
changes from the previous year or something. What were three or four of those changes that are priorities from last year to this 00:40:35
year? 00:40:41
So. 00:40:47
Our Senate Management plan was updated in 2019 by the previous. 00:40:49
Employee in reposition that update that last somehow so when I started working here I. 00:40:56
Previously, Irish ceremonies been playing hadn't been updated since 2016 when we initially applied for our permit and all that 00:41:04
storm of the management plan did was the permit was copied and pasted into a document and it said Vineyard City will comply with 00:41:10
this. 00:41:15
So I literally had to rewrite the entire document. 00:41:21
So are there 3 or 4 priorities that you're focusing on right now versus in the past? What are those? So I went over there 6 00:41:25
measures, and we talked about what we're currently doing, and we talked about what I want to do in the future. 00:41:33
And there's actually a pledge in the stormwater management plan, hiring the priorities that I can send out to you guys tomorrow if 00:41:44
you do enough for that. I'd like to see that, OK, Do we have any issues of illegal dumping in vineyard wastewater, you know, 00:41:50
chemicals, oils? 00:41:56
Has there been any history of illegal dumping because of the way we're spread out in the community? Yes, most of its leaking 00:42:03
vehicles. I've had several complaints of people dumping dirt, large dirt piles in areas that haven't been developed. We also have 00:42:09
this illegal parking. 00:42:16
Parking lot. 00:42:24
And we have a lot of illegal dumping cars just being abandoned in that parking lot. 00:42:27
So we don't have any chemicals being dumped into the system. We don't have any oils, gasolines that are being illegally dumped by 00:42:33
commercial users. Not that I've noticed. Anytime it's happened the last year, it's been an accident a few months ago, Liberty. 00:42:42
But the trash people that come pick up the trash, they have a 30, the hydraulic hose broke on their truck and there's the 30 down 00:42:52
release. So we would not go with burden powder and just like stock. And then we covered all of the Emirates so that it came in the 00:42:59
Emirates and then they came in with a truck that they it's like a water back truck where they spread the street where all that 00:43:06
hydraulic wood was and then actually vacuumed up the wastewater. 00:43:13
They were initially going to put that wastewater down, the stranger, and they said that wasn't acceptable and we came up with that 00:43:21
solution. 00:43:24
Otherwise, it's just like great situations like that, like breaking vehicles and the construction site. The last winter I had a 00:43:27
truck in the Hamptons parked on top of a slim drain that was making oil, Rick Perrier with JB said. He reported it to me. I will 00:43:35
not be with him. We have the vehicle removed from the site I put in and started doing down into the emirate to try to soak up some 00:43:42
of that oil. My goal was to get all the oil out until there wasn't a Sheen present anymore and then. 00:43:50
And there's state requirements. If it's like over 25 gallons you have to report to the state. So Liberty Services had to report 00:43:58
that 30,000 hydraulic spill to the state, but they took care of that. If you would have a spill over 25 gallons or each substance 00:44:06
has a different requirement, we would have to report that to the state. But we're putting our public works division was constantly 00:44:14
like out and about and our parks and Rec is monitoring and I actually get a lot of. 00:44:22
But my coworkers are like, I saw this, we'll go check it out because I'm just one person running this entire department. So like, 00:44:31
I can't go out and fill 100% of the time and do everything else. So our departments, they've been really great with, like, letting 00:44:36
me know what's going on in the city. 00:44:41
So as a Planning Commission, what should be our main focus I. 00:44:47
In terms of the decisions we make here? 00:44:53
How can we be more involved in what should we be focusing on as it relates to stormwater? When you guys get any kind of new 00:44:56
project on the horizon, just making sure that those contractors are aware of the new lid requirements. I really like to see the 00:45:04
infrastructure being important. I really like to see the story never been returned on site and then we're building a downtown 00:45:11
area. I'm willing to see water conservation measures for an incorporated and those plans. 00:45:19
Because we are increasing the amount of impervious surfaces, I want as much storm water as possible retained on site. Because if 00:45:28
we can retain that storm water on site, then we don't have to spend money installing features into our clovers and our storm water 00:45:36
systems to collect that trash can, the brain and sediment and the rest. So we have to use the hydrodynamic separator here in 00:45:44
vineyard the water goes in the pipe and then it swirls like a tornado and then that lifts the sediment falls to the bottom. 00:45:51
And then the trash gets collected. So those systems require maintenance work for a back truck to come and clean up that sediment 00:45:59
and then dispose of it at a land so as well as the trash. So the more we can meet in storm water on site, the less maintenance and 00:46:06
resources and money that we have to put towards cleaning up the storm water as it goes downstream. 00:46:14
How much trash do we actually collect in the system? That would be a really good question for Josh either. He averages 194 miles a 00:46:23
year, which doesn't sound like a lot, but that's actually a lot for state sleeping. 00:46:30
I have to So Chris Thomas is in charge of the storm sewer system and he's in charge of all the ministries open. I focus most on 00:46:39
the permit, but I can definitely ask him to send out that information with the priority list and the system does have mechanisms 00:46:45
to stop. 00:46:50
The exploit of trash into the lake though so so we don't have that problem. We have 5 hydrogen hydrogen separators in the city. 00:46:56
Currently we're working with. Is it flagship on installing some smells with biospheres. 00:47:05
Project the new train station so a snout. You can install it on a stone system and then that water comes in. It has an anti cycle 00:47:14
mechanism so that the water can't come back out and the trash can't exclude. 00:47:21
I mean if you add a bioscript onto this note the bioskirt is designed to capture hydrocarbons like your oils and greases so that 00:47:29
when the water comes through that trash, that sediment, those oils are collected so that weather was then to register water 00:47:36
detention basin. It is cleaner before it gets fat system and then that system will not require as much maintenance either because 00:47:42
there seems like a suddenly there's both traps. So if we can prevent that sediment and trash from going to the distance going to 00:47:48
work in the first place. 00:47:55
Then we don't have to go, but it's systems too. And just to elaborate on Justin's earlier comments. 00:48:02
We're also about how much trash is in the systems of. 00:48:09
Justin is working well gentlemen, with the BYU now the wire resource department in regards to setting up a program where we can 00:48:13
actually do some studies, partnering up for the students to actually do studies because again everybody comes down to water 00:48:20
quality coming out is one of the big impacts in where the Justine's work with the BYU will be able to actually start capturing 00:48:27
metrics. So when, so we'll actually know what we're doing is that. 00:48:35
Working product you know having positive impacts and of course trying out some new Omps best management practices to see what you 00:48:42
know what else can we do and get authorized to do by the state to help enhance that storm water quality. Pretty soon I think 00:48:49
Justine of the will be calling it Doctor Martin I actually. So that whole the research I'm doing I will so allow the permit 00:48:56
requirements are coming out of east where they get a lot more rainfall than we do here in the West. So I want to do research on 00:49:03
how well these. 00:49:10
LIDBM PS That the state is promoting works in a semi arid climate. 00:49:17
So we have 5 covert that discharge the utility and I will start sampling this coverage to see where a lot of quality currently is 00:49:22
and then install different band please and then test it in to see how much the water is cleaned up. And then I don't see how much 00:49:30
it costs to input like construct these BMPS and then how much the ongoing maintenance is to get a life cycle analysis. And then I 00:49:38
actually just wrote a paper for the American Public Works Association that got published yesterday. 00:49:46
Describing how we're going to overcome the barriers to the front, to defining the test, effective analysis of the things used in 00:49:55
semiary climates. So I'm really excited about. 00:50:01
Like contribute and then we can take this research and go to the state and start this conversation about. 00:50:08
Do these permit updates make sense for our community? 00:50:14
Because if they don't, then we could request a lot of things. And there's. I'm not considering. It was just like all kinds of cool 00:50:19
stuff you can do, but you have data to start these conversations. 00:50:24
Cool. Do you have any requirements for the downtown as far as permeable surfaces? 00:50:30
For the. 00:50:37
Any other no that language was written to like encourage it but it's not it's not a requirement of the the the zoning code. So 00:50:40
they would have to meet any storm water requirements that we have that that Justine has within her standards and if we we up 00:50:48
those, I mean that's a conversation that we can have with them. They're probably once they start construction I would imagine 00:50:56
they're they they may have some vesting depending on what which phase of the development they're working on so. 00:51:03
Adjusting my ability can speak a little bit to like the downtown specific, maybe some of the things that you've discussed with 00:51:12
with with them for storm water, yeah so with the requirements of the permit, every property owner is required to retain the 80th 00:51:19
percentile some of the end site. So anytime you get more than you get 1/2 inch rain event or higher that has to be retained on 00:51:25
site. 00:51:32
And so we're working with dancing with Flagship and creating tree canopies to boxers. Some lid components such as permeable 00:51:40
pavement. We are choosing shoes that are not water intensive. 00:51:49
Because we want to, we own a true citizen, but we also want to promote water conservation. So I don't want a citizen to go to 00:51:58
downtown Vanguard and see all this, this grass and these trees and things that like we're, I don't know if we want a mixed message 00:52:04
is my goal. So if we plant these waterways trees like we want to, like we're also doing from the public, like hey, what kind of 00:52:11
benefit are we getting from this landscape? 00:52:18
And just again just to elaborate on what you seen talking about the flagship is the Bronson as well has been very has had positive 00:52:26
reception in regards to incorporating low impact development concepts like for example having the water shut into the into grass 00:52:33
movements and then having that having that water done slowly going to put away into the storm water system pipes and then without 00:52:40
there's. 00:52:48
Would allow the earth to provide natural filtration. 00:52:57
For the before actually gets into our storm water system pipes and then which of course goes into a another filtration system on 00:53:01
that. So we're actually we postpone our meeting for today due to bad weather, but we're going to be meeting with the flagship and 00:53:08
a consultant in regards to steps that we can take and actually write low impact development standards back into the downtown 00:53:15
plans. 00:53:22
OK, cool. Did you have something you wanted to do? 00:53:30
So you require people to businesses to retain the water on the mic? 00:53:37
Yeah. 00:53:45
Hi, David Larae, you're only member of public whoever comes these things. 00:53:50
So the question is you require businesses to retain water on site? 00:53:54
I assume we assume that over time, a bunch of that will accumulate. What do they do when they want to get rid of it? 00:54:01
So any kind of LAD feature is designed to drain in 24 to 48 hours so they shouldn't have standing water on their property. 00:54:11
Explain that and see if it drains. Just want to percolate that in the soil. Yeah. So the non structural format of being P such as 00:54:23
a bias where rain garden, that rainfall is going to fall onto this site and it's going to be channeled to those BMP systems and 00:54:31
then it's going to take about a day or two So that soil to soak up that water. We have an extra challenge in the vineyard because 00:54:38
if you look at the soil you'll see that we have really poorly draining soils. 00:54:46
We've also purposely lowered our grandmother elevation paper because we don't want homeowners to have to have stamps and use 00:54:55
arranging system. Who invented? 00:54:59
So. 00:55:04
Retaining the storm water on site. 00:55:06
In certain areas of of Vineyard isn't actually the the best solution, so I hope. I'm talking to this team about developing a 00:55:09
capital improvement fund where the developer is building a project on a site that has poorly drained soils close to the lake where 00:55:17
it might not be in our community's best interests. Using that from one of the site, I would like the developer to have the option 00:55:25
to contribute money to this family so that we could install a system in a better location in the city. 00:55:32
Because I don't want swimming weather in our city either. And I don't want systems that don't perform well because these systems 00:55:41
can be protocol to implement. And then if you put in the poor location, they're just not going to do that way. And then I don't 00:55:47
want bad examples of LID and they're sitting because developers and contractors are going to be like, we're going to work with and 00:55:52
we do it. 00:55:57
As so, yeah, each of them have. 00:56:04
This system should be put in places that allow for that natural percolation to occur in the time of matter so that the property 00:56:07
owners don't have to worry about getting the string letter and off the property. 00:56:13
Cool. Any other questions? 00:56:22
Have a quick one. Do any other cities tie into our stormwater? 00:56:24
I got the answer. I believe this. 00:56:29
I never read about this, but first thing that yeah, there's no other cities that tie into ours. Orem City ties some of their storm 00:56:32
water drainage into the lake bottom canal, which is piped separately from our storm water system, but it does come through our 00:56:38
city. 00:56:43
Cool. All right. Thank you so much, Justine. That was also super informative. Just to add on really quick. Thank you so much, 00:56:52
Justine, for for taking the time we requested the training we're going to provide obviously both. 00:56:59
The, the stormwater stuff is vetted prior to your review. And so that's that's pretty important. So we're going to try to provide 00:57:37
opportunities throughout the year to to get an hour here, an hour there. Russell with APA conferences, there's the one in spring 00:57:45
that's down in Kanab and then the one this fall is typically really close. And so that that that may be a major one for for a lot 00:57:54
of you guys. So we'll provide you those opportunities. 00:58:02
The Utah League also provides some land use law type training and I think next was it's a second meeting, it's in the second 00:58:10
meeting, I think it's the second meeting. 00:58:17
For the City Council, is the training, Where's that next meeting? Is that the first council meeting? So the second Wednesday? 00:58:25
Yeah, second, second. 00:58:32
I know. Do you know which one of the trainings are? 00:58:35
By chance? Well, I will. I'll send you one. 00:58:38
Well, we're going to do a training from a joint session perspective and so you'll be with the City Council and we'll have Jamie 00:58:43
there to to provide some land use open meetings, law type type training anyway. All right. Thank you. All right, thanks. Morgan, 00:58:49
any other staff reports or go ahead and see him. 00:58:55
I would like to, I like, I want to believe that Justine presentation will provide you a very constructive insight into a lot of 00:59:04
the things that she does. 00:59:10
And but what's your mother reports? Recently I had the pleasure of going down to St. George, UT for this Utah City Engineering 00:59:17
Association conference. 00:59:23
I was a 2 day festival of fun. I'm talking about engineering stuff. So it was they're prepared, productive. So in regards in 00:59:30
regards to the conference, there was a lot of continuing education that was discussed. 00:59:37
Items such as public engagement for engineering projects, excuse me, as well as traffic impact studies and water conservation. At 00:59:45
the very end of the conference, there was a less less slated discussion, panel discussion, panel discussion. 00:59:55
And the focus on it was. 01:00:04
Was city standards in regards to helping, I would say helping, but in regards to your providing by the customer enhanced customer 01:00:09
service for our developers and builders or even or even our residents to those who may build in one city and then build in another 01:00:18
city as well that kind of monetize on that because with the City of Vineyard. 01:00:26
Developing the infrastructure standards, awaiting updates. APWA, the American Public Works Association Justin mentioned before, is 01:00:36
going to be releasing a certain new update standards in the city. The city is going to be following suit, updating our standards. 01:00:44
One of the things that one of our focus on, and again something that I take to heart, is ensuring that our standards are usually 01:00:52
understandable. Because when they're easily understandable, they're easily executable. 01:01:00
And which causes you know which allows builders, developers, homeowners to be able to not make mistakes and of course allows the 01:01:08
city when for public infrastructure to actually accept bus mistakes on that. So the city is going to be has already had 01:01:16
discussions with City of London and then and talks to City of Oklahoma in regards to what their standards are and come come to 01:01:24
consensus of how we can kind of find the Feng shui. 01:01:31
You know the medium which works, you know which works, you know for the in the best interest of Vineyard as well. So when that 01:01:40
gets off, the gets off, the gets off and actually APWA releases their standards. So again it's going to be thong suits and then 01:01:47
those standards. 01:01:53
Will be presented to the Planning Commission report and City Council to go to be enacted. And also our intent is that when we do 01:02:00
interact that we provide the grace period of approximately 90 days to allow developers to, you know, understand what's going on 01:02:08
and make those adjustments. So that that's the big take away from the Utah City, Utah City Engineers Association conference. Cool. 01:02:16
All right, Awesome. Thanks. Anything else from staff, any Commission member, expert. 01:02:23
Yeah, so I, as many of you probably know, just from like, like Facebook and everything. 01:02:33
You know lives that that you're totally fine, but just we need to let you know that process is started. 01:03:12
There's a signature gathering phase and then there's there's a lot of time frames that that that the group will need to meet and 01:03:18
so we'll we'll track that and see kind of where where it goes and give you updates. But just as a Commission it's just kind of 01:03:26
important within the Planning Commission you're you're neutral regardless of your for or against personally. So just wanted to say 01:03:33
so Morgan what what is the intention of the referendum, what is the purpose of it? 01:03:41
The way the city approved the project. 01:04:22
Yeah. So that would be an actual question. So it'd be a ballot initiative question and then it would be you know, for people to 01:04:25
vote, I'm assuming it's going to be in opposition obviously of of the the development. And so there would be a question for then 01:04:33
there would be a group that would write a question against or there there'd be a statement for and against. But yeah, they would 01:04:40
put on the ballot and they would allow the citizens to vote on it in November. But we're we're, we're not that point so. 01:04:48
We we can give you guys kind of an update if if like those those benchmarks are met. 01:04:56
Do they have a certain amount of time together, the necessary signatures after which it's no longer valid or what? Yeah. So 01:05:03
there's a time frame. And so I don't I I don't really want to speak out of turn that's that's that's a a Pam thing. So it's a 01:05:08
legal requirement there's there's specific dates where they have to get things submitted and then signatures have to be verified, 01:05:14
OK. 01:05:19
Does that mean that the developer can't start underneath development until November? No, it's it's they're very good to go. So 01:05:26
they they have an approval until they and then I can double check with them. But there is a process at which if they made a 01:05:32
specific benchmarks with the signatures where that could put a stay on processing the application. So one thing we'll see probably 01:05:38
and then your next meeting is the development agreement. So the development agreement would would still move move forward through 01:05:44
the process. 01:05:50
They could apply for Platts once that's done and they could they can go go through the process until the county. 01:05:56
Provides the a certificate that basically says that it has to be stayed. So we we would get that from the county. I don't I don't 01:06:05
know the process 100% but we've met a bunch of times with with Pam, but that's that's you know kind of the basic framework of the 01:06:12
powered work. But the developer has actually purchased the property. I mean that part of it has been done. 01:06:19
That's that's kind of why I've referred. I I don't know for sure though can you tell until we see it on the county records? 01:06:27
All right, so anyway. 01:06:36
Thanks. Thanks for the update. All right. Any Commission member expert a reports or discussion? 01:06:38
I have one. 01:06:45
And it is just to make sure that we as a Planning Commission are aware that the House Bill 1232. 01:06:47
Which would create the Utah Lake Authority, as I understand it. 01:06:56
Would essentially once that authority was created. 01:07:03
Would basically take away from the Vineyard City Planning Commission. 01:07:07
Any decision making authority we may have or recommending to the City Council authority. 01:07:12
That we may have on anything that's associated with the Lakeshore. 01:07:19
Now I understand that it's there's some decision to be made about how far away from the water does that decision go. I understand 01:07:24
that it's at the high watermark. 01:07:29
That's kind of defined somewhere as to what that is, but I am concerned as an example with the new city center being built and us 01:07:35
wanting to do a lot of things along the Lakeshore. 01:07:42
That if this bill passes and I am not an authority on what's good and bad about the bill, but what I'm concerned about is us 01:07:50
losing our authority to make decisions around the Lakeshore and my understanding is, is that. 01:07:58
Once that bill is passed, if passed as it's currently worded, that the utilization authority would be created and then they would 01:08:07
be the ones who would decide on anything improvements or any changes or anything requiring planning along that defined not barrier 01:08:14
defined zone from the water. 01:08:21
Well, I understand that currently the procedure would be if the if the city wanted to do something right along the Lakeshore, we 01:08:29
really don't have authority to do it anyway without going to the state. And there's a process that we would apply through the 01:08:35
state to do things along the Lakeshore. 01:08:41
Because of the laws around the Lakeshore. 01:08:47
But if there's Utah, Lake Authority is actually created, they would be the the decision makers as to what is is happening along 01:08:50
the Lake Shore. So that's one thing I wanted to point out because I think it's it's a concern to me. 01:08:57
To have authorities that we currently have invested with us. 01:09:04
Being taken over by another body who doesn't report to the city. 01:09:08
It's an independent body. 01:09:14
And the second thing is relating a little bit to a sub part of all of this and that's the lake restoration solutions. If you look 01:09:17
at the current maps that are there through the Army Corps of Engineers, that's posted. 01:09:25
The Lake Restoration Solutions plan is to create two major thoroughfares that would give them access to the islands in the lake. 01:09:35
And those those access points would be 400 S. 01:09:45
And we remember recently how much pushback we get from just simply the play farm, holdaway, farm development on increasing 01:09:50
traffic. You can imagine if there are. 01:09:55
Thousands of homes to get built in the lake, what the traffic would be through those two access points. The other one is 1600 N as 01:10:01
I recall. But those are two things I just wanted to bring out and put on the table. Not that we have to do anything about them, 01:10:08
but I think we we really need to be studying those bills. We need to be studying the the proposals put out there by the. 01:10:16
Lake Restoration Solutions Company. 01:10:25
And do what we can as citizens and do what we can as a Planning Commission with the city. So, Mr. Chair, that's my comment. All 01:10:28
right. Thanks, Tim. OK And if that's everything, then I want to keep it top of mind and it's all sound like a broken record, but 01:10:35
just wanted to make sure that. 01:10:41
The trail connection is planned for the April date like on on when the train station opens, that's that's anticipated to be there 01:10:48
as well because I've seen a lot of work with the. 01:10:54
With the roads for moving vehicles toward the train station, but I just want to make sure we don't miss on getting the South part 01:11:01
of the city connected there. 01:11:05
I haven't seen any movement and I know that's supposed to be over the next. 01:11:10
Two months. 01:11:14
Or less than two months. 01:11:16
So engineer. 01:11:19
So again, I would like to believe. 01:11:22
That the connector is worker, so it's given update and actually there is a question I was posed just minutes ago and also I'll 01:11:25
just kind of restate to what I provided to our communications manager. So in order to make the connection the channel has to go 01:11:33
through UTR go into UTS right away. So we can I'll have we've had a discussion with UTI we've we've provided them a proposed 01:11:41
connection design. 01:11:50
ETA has providers an initial. 01:11:59
OK, to proceed with final designs, the revolver of the downtown areas is currently developing those final designs for for the 01:12:01
trail access to go underneath the attacker overpass to connect to connect the southern parts of the trail to the venue connector. 01:12:09
They're actually, I'm not going to come up and give you a date that I can't policy you because after the final designs are done, 01:12:16
they have to be submitted to MTA. We do have great partnership with ETA. 01:12:24
Were they were constructed in front administration we're working with we're working with them to make regards to the temporary 01:12:32
parking lot that they that they need in order to have that conversation to function as well and ETA it has provides a courtesy. 01:12:42
You know accuracy. 01:12:53
Expediting what we need in order to connect the southern part of the trial to the front Runner station. So I'll follow up with the 01:12:56
developer in regards to their final designs for electric section and then and when they get to ETA, I'll be following up with ETA 01:13:03
or contact there to ensure that we can get that connection there. ETA has an interest to ensure that that connection is made as 01:13:10
well because that is directly impacting in a positive way. 01:13:17
The ridership left for Dinner Station. So all the players are involved, wanted to happen. But again, it is going through his 01:13:24
proper channels to ensure that when it does happen that we're not causing any kind of negative impacts, especially to the 01:13:31
translation, and that we don't have to go back. And am I am I up here to tell you that we're doing a project that we thought that 01:13:38
was already done? OK yeah. And I trust everyone's on top of it. I'll just. I'll definitely not let you forget about it. 01:13:45
But I think it's it's already designed for pedestrians and bikes. I believe we have signs that have ribbetting skateboards just 01:13:54
kind of make sure that's that's. 01:13:59
As long as there's a connection, I think that the biggest miss that we could possibly have here is forcing people to hop into a 01:14:07
car to get to a train station, because once they've done that, they're just going to give up on the train trip so. 01:14:12
Alright, cool. If that's everything, then meeting during. 01:14:20
Link
Start video at
Social
Embed
* you need to log in to manage your favorites
My Favorites List
You haven't added any favorites yet. Click the "Add Favorite" button on any media page, and they'll show up here.
* use Ctrl+F (Cmd+F on Mac) to search in document
Unable to preview the file.
Unable to preview the file.
Everybody, this is the Planning Commission meeting. It is February 2nd, 2022. We'll start. Chris will give us the Pledge of 00:00:01
Allegiance. 00:00:06
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:14
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:20
All right. Thank you. 00:00:31
Yes, it is 2/2/22 correct. 00:00:33
All right. We'll move into an open session if anybody has any public comments. 00:00:38
No, alright, move out of the open session on to minutes for review and approvals. Anybody, I mean anybody looked at those that 00:00:43
need to? 00:00:48
I've just looked at the very fine edition of it and it looks fine to me. I would move that we, I would make a motion that we 00:00:55
approve the minutes as presented. Do I have a second? I'll second that All in favor. Aye. All right. We'll move straight into the 00:01:02
work session with Justine Marshall talking about some of our public works, the storm water management. 00:01:08
All right. Just really quick, I'll, I'll, I'll go ahead and introduce. 00:01:16
Justine Marshall, she lives at our stormwater inspector. And well, what's the stormwater manager? Those the the titles you hold? 00:01:21
MS-4 Coordinator Justine has been at the city now for how long. It was been about a year, about a year and she was awesome. She's 00:01:31
taking our stormwater inspections and our overall stormwater program in the city to to on a new level. And I really do mean that. 00:01:39
The amount of emphasis that has been put on our development and making sure our stormwater is taken care of and treat properly is 00:01:47
has really gone up quite, quite a bit and hats off to to Justin and all of her hard work. 00:01:55
Just a little bit about Destiny, she. 00:02:03
She was published. I don't know, we have an academic in the room. She was published in the 2015 file edition of Rocky Mountain 00:02:07
Geology. She spent two years working for the City of Omaha storm water department. And she was the vice president of Uno's 00:02:15
Environmental and Sustainability Club. Who who's the one? I was at University of Alaska. OK, OK, great. She has overall eight 00:02:23
years of experience working with stormwater and environmental. 00:02:30
Now something else taking my to is that she is a very popular bar chief mixologist. That's such a her second job. So if you ever 00:03:15
have any music festivals you know you know you need the dry beverage. Justin can make it right for you. So anyway. 00:03:24
Interview and feature N constantly Journal for middle fashion. 00:03:35
Jon Taffer would be very proud of you. He likes old fashioned. That's. 00:03:40
Bar Rescue. If you guys watch that show, good show. Anyway, find any further blue? We'll turn it over to Justin. 00:03:45
And the problem with urbanization is it creates a lot more impervious surfaces. So when that storm water falls, it doesn't soak 00:06:29
into the ground and it just runs off with those pollutants. So. 00:06:34
A city black actually creates 5 times more runoff than if it were to the rain would have fallen with a natural vegetative area. 00:06:42
What what what would you say for Utah lake is the greatest pollutant? Is it going to be from like non source point or? 00:06:50
Or is there like a lot of source point, like specific sites that are contributing to the So both sites are going to contribute but 00:06:59
you're going to get so the number one pollutant affecting Lake Utah is phosphorus. So you're going to get a lot of that phosphorus 00:07:07
from 9 point sources such as lands, golf courses, everything that's being fertilized. 00:07:14
And then nitrogen as well. 00:07:23
Set OK. 00:07:26
I'm just going to show a quick video kind of going over what? 00:07:30
You don't know how to play it. 00:07:38
Oh, here we go. 00:07:42
So you have the wolf from the runoff and the open it's your yards, your driveways. 00:07:52
I put the depot and it goes into our storm water system such as pipes and Clover's. 00:07:57
Accept the potence that we went over and that all of that ends up in our water bodies, because your mother is often not treated. 00:08:02
So you actually miss forest. So in MS-4 is a conveyance system of eight, and that can be storm water to your local water body. 00:08:15
That can include your your ditches, your culverts, your stormwater pirates, roads like anything else. The channel for water is 00:08:22
included in the definition of an MS-4. 00:08:30
Some other points. In 1999, they extended that rule to include what they called small inner spores, and that's in a city with a 00:09:21
population greater than 10,000. 00:09:27
Souvenirs population reached about 10,000 threshold in 2016 and then they were required to get a small Ms. for for a permit, 00:09:34
establish A stormwater department and come up with a stormwater management plan. 00:09:40
If you guys have any questions just like going out there? 00:09:51
So here's a video. 00:09:55
What some of the responsibilities of an Mississippi for? 00:09:57
Water supply happens at these days, which provides the leverage of water. No matter where our water comes from, we can talk about 00:10:02
them. 00:10:06
And to be born in circles and change them after water cycle. 00:10:16
Rivers, astronomers. 00:10:30
We all. 00:10:34
Fortunately, it doesn't have to be this way we can prevent contamination from happening. 00:10:54
Meet the best management practices on farms and industries. 00:11:00
They can manage bubble from rules and driveways by naturalizing our yards. 00:11:06
You can protect green space and create buffers off along rivers and turns. 00:11:12
We can go to control and storm our regulations in place. 00:11:18
Protecting modern resources has been developed for such experiences for most tourism and the shows of the quality of life for our 00:11:23
families and teacher generation. 00:11:28
So now that you guys know what an Ms. 4 is, what exactly does an MS-4 do? So there's approximately 70,000 permitted Ms. fours, 00:11:36
including large and small that exist in our country and we operate under this National Potent Discharge Elimination System permit. 00:11:45
And with that permit, you have to implement what's called a stormwater management plan and you describe the string of the control 00:11:55
practices that we're going to implement that are consistent with the permit that. 00:12:02
Each state issues. So the states will take the EPA's general permit and then they'll issue a statewide permit that has to at least 00:12:10
include the minimum requirements of that permit. They can get stricter. Most statement youths are going to have stricter 00:12:16
regulations. So like in DC they have to treat the 0.125 inch swimming that we're here in Utah, we don't have to treat 1/2 inch 00:12:23
strong event. So our regulations are a lot more elapsed because we are a similar area climate. Wait a second, general state in the 00:12:29
nation, so. 00:12:36
Stormwater isn't as big of a concern in the West as East, but it's becoming a greater concern as we develop them dwelling 00:12:43
population. 00:12:48
So that any PDF under score permanently requires permits to develop and implement A comprehensive, stronger management plan. And 00:12:55
this plan includes pollution prevention measures, treatment or removal techniques, monitoring of water quality, use of a legal 00:13:01
authority such as that stock work order that I've had to issue twice this year that we talked about in on the construction site. 00:13:07
And all of this is geared to control the quality of stormwater discharge to our storm drains, which ultimately all end up in Lake 00:13:13
Utah. 00:13:19
They will return it on site. They don't want it to like be diverted off site and just direct it to the local water body. Because 00:14:36
when the rain falls on site and is able to like go into the ground that there's this thing called the Catalan exchange that occurs 00:14:42
between water and soil. And actually the soil and the plant roots will pick up those pollutants and like basically clean the water 00:14:48
for us And then that saves us a lot of money too. 00:14:54
But erratically is focused on TMBLS, it's a Twitter maximum delivered but currently doing a site specific standard study and Utah 00:15:01
Lake that should be completed in 2024. So we don't, so we don't like is considered impaired but we don't have established Cmdos to 00:15:10
give to contractors if you like. You have to meet these requirements for fast first nitrogen CSS and cells for example. But that's 00:15:18
coming down the pipeline in the future based on the regular local Troy meetings and right here. 00:15:26
If you if developers work along Jordan River, that does have an established team deal, so. 00:15:35
Everyone reviewing like stormwater documentations for that area, they're going to have a different set of requirements that we 00:15:41
have here in Vineyard. 00:15:45
If that makes sense. It's also given that the program is also going to focus on program management. I can draft this program 00:15:50
management plan, but if I'm not implementing it, then we're not really doing what we need to be doing. So we can't just have a 00:15:55
plan. I also have to implement that. 00:16:01
And then with the student annual report to the state showing that how how you achieved your goals and like your practices that you 00:16:07
said that you were going to do. 00:16:12
And yeah, you can't just say, oh, we're going to make the water better. You actually can't have measurable goals. So I have to 00:16:17
come up with a documentation showing that we reached X amount of citizens with this message. We trained X amount of developers on 00:16:25
these topics and we trained all of our support employees on spotting mechanism discharge or the Planning Commission on stormwater. 00:16:32
So we recently updated the Vineyard Store water management plan. We're required to update it each year and give a report to the 00:16:43
state on what changes we need and why. 00:16:48
And when I sign up this report, I'm hitting sixty areas. They're called minimum control measures. So I have to make sure that we 00:16:55
are conducting public education outreach on storm water. I have to make sure that I'm getting a general contract with the general 00:17:03
public and stakeholders involved in storm water management. And I have to like educate the public and employees on how to defect 00:17:10
an IDD. And if we get an IDD complaint like Cash just emailed me last week about our linking. 00:17:17
Oil from a car in a neighborhood. I went out there to investigate it and I found two other. 00:17:25
IDD problems. I hung up door hangers and just educated the public. I'm like why we came into stockpiles in the yard, why we can't 00:17:31
invent some cars. 00:17:35
And then I always give him a card to call my questions too. Do you have an enforcement mechanism in the code where I, I think the 00:17:41
warning thing is great in the education, That's probably how we should always lead with code enforcement. But with something like 00:17:47
that, if they don't do anything and you, you come back and still leak in oil or they have you know, a bunch of construction debris 00:17:53
that just in in the street or you know on the driveway or whatever. Do we have some sort of a mechanism to like either through 00:17:59
fines or? 00:18:05
A ratatouille is 1 friend stockpiles in the world, which is my #1 complaint I received. It's not the harmony we're doing it. It's 00:18:44
for women's people. And oftentimes when I go out and try to speak to those landscapers that are language barriers or they're just 00:18:49
there for the day and they don't, they just don't really care. They just go to do their job and they'll leave. They won't 00:18:55
necessarily even clean up their mess. 00:19:00
So that's been some difficulties that I've seen enforcing this. I've been having in particular in those four few weeks range and 00:19:06
the doctors, those are car that was Ricky mass amounts of oil and they kept going out there trying to get ahold of people out of 00:19:14
the utility records to find out who locomotion. And then I found out the home was being used as an airplane B, which you guys were 00:19:22
talking about before the meeting started and the homeowners didn't actually live there. So I talked to Sullivan about my options. 00:19:30
And we could have done like a notice of violation on where you killed it though. 00:19:38
I believe. 00:19:43
OK, there wasn't a lot of power that I had been forced with. So and ultimately I had to go out there and clean it up. And I just 00:19:48
kept going out there three times a week until I eventually got any contact with the homeowner and I just explained like how this 00:19:54
wasn't OK and that I was going to have to charge them and client see if that continued and that solved the problem. 00:20:01
So have. 00:20:09
Wow. 00:20:12
The policies and so forth, It's much stricter at the state level, and some of the others actually work. That happens to be a very 00:20:17
good point for the city can take their stable example. 00:20:30
And actually have ordinances codes in place that will allow the city staff to be more. 00:20:44
And I think a lot more enforcement. 00:20:50
And take care of, take care of issues and of course, just like you said this earlier, my understanding. 00:20:52
Take care of the problem. So to have us up to a heavier thing to in essence set the standard and as well as. 00:20:59
Having, for example, a bilateral session that would allow us to. 00:21:09
Do more broad in terms of like interpretation of what's the impact of the impacts to the surrounding environment. So we can call 00:21:15
it out to adjusting ordinance which is something that I would like to update with the coding department feature we'll get there. I 00:21:22
I was also just going to say another way of enforcement and if there's a vehicle that's been parked there for a while we can't use 00:21:28
our service department to to get those cars to move. 00:21:34
Doesn't necessarily solve the problem, but hopefully fix it off of the street. 00:21:41
So there's other ways we can try and mitigate the issue. 00:21:46
I'm going to say there's a short video just about how extreme other dollars are spent. This was created by the city of Durham, so 00:21:50
it's not Vineyard specific. We have a little bit, we have different options, but overall it's like a a big general overview. 00:21:58
You see, we've all contributed to the growth of our services that are created in our city and in building. So we all play a role 00:22:08
in the problems caused by storm water. 00:22:13
So that you are a part, we should take our stronghold intelligence based on the amount of art service that we have our public. 00:22:19
Storm Water Services uses this stormwater majority to fund many activities that you probably never even do about. 00:22:27
For instance, the storm water service team is responsible, so we don't do anything. But there's a project I'm working on where we 00:22:35
I want to start monitoring water quality. 00:22:40
Maintenance of a hundreds of miles of pipes that make up a public railing system to prevent spills in that house. 00:22:50
One problem's on that. 00:22:58
The people of Stormwater services managed to repair the public training system so that if you guys have ever met Chris Thomas, 00:22:59
who's the one that I work with on these types of problems. 00:23:04
This great news is erosion and flooding. 00:23:10
When there is a sure backup, often caused by a huge pour down brains, strongholders that were on the scene without cranes and 00:23:13
stuff. 00:23:17
Reducing the growing population on our water. 00:23:21
Stormwater Services Find solutions for cleaning stormwater in areas of the city that are already built out of homes or businesses. 00:23:26
Cortana. 00:23:34
Stream restorations, prepared damaged bags and and back in flights and finally strong water services teaches people lying to you 00:23:38
how to make small machines that make big differences in protecting our water. Why picking up after the dog? We actually have 25 00:23:47
butlers stations and vineyards with a luggage. I was out here. 00:23:56
And properly disposing of toxic products. And we partner with Utah County for their household hazardous waste collection. I 00:24:09
believe it occurs in April every year, so just remember the next time you enjoy an ice cream show. 00:24:15
So I'm going to go over the six Newman control measures really quick. It's just a brief overview. So minimum control measure one, 00:24:26
it's related to public education outreach and the goal is educating the general public and community stakeholders about local 00:24:33
stormwater issues. You do that with them, web pages, community events, brochures, film stations. So currently remember the Utah 00:24:40
Counselor Mark Coalition and they go to all the schools and venue every year and present to the 6th grade class. 00:24:47
And then we also do an event called where we had a stormwater booth and we had, I think about 2000 people attend that event in 00:24:55
October. 00:24:59
And then presentation. 00:25:05
In the future, I want to get involved with we do this thing called Science Saturdays every weekend Vineyard and we signed up for 00:25:10
two of those events. So I'm excited about that. We're going to do an engineering week this month and for the Vineyard schools with 00:25:16
machine and we're going to get it towards watercolor, water quality, sustainability and we're also looking up the website to make 00:25:22
it more interactive to the public works during that storm water. 00:25:29
MC and tears are about public involvement and participation. When I first started I didn't understand the difference between MC1 00:25:38
and MC2. So MC one is all about like education and an MC2 is about gaming. The public involved like hands-on. So the picture on 00:25:45
the right I worked with Park City and there was killed Valduta they go out and they do stream thing restoration projects. We went 00:25:52
out and created these artificial Beaver dams. 00:25:59
Because when you improve the stream, they make if a wildfire, once it comes through, it acts as like a natural wildfire 00:26:07
prevention. We have a healthy legislation. You don't have a bag of brain scars, you have less erosion. 00:26:14
And we can't really do that. 00:26:21
County, but I love talking with other organizations. 00:26:25
And then the picture on the a cleanup that serving organized with the local church and what a pretty good turn out for that event. 00:26:29
That was a fun day. So we do a lot of beach cleanups for Oakley, Anna and Nelson organizers, our beach cleanup. Over 30 years ago, 00:26:37
we had the largest lake clinic in Utah that she organized here in Vineyard, so that was really exciting. 00:26:45
Insane today is all about that arrested discharge detection elimination. 00:26:56
So the goal of that is just keeping prudence out of the sendering system. 00:27:00
Recently contacted me and talking about an area that they're having trouble with that our track is getting along their border. So 00:27:37
talk to Anna about adding that spot and cleaning up from earth into real receptive to that. 00:27:43
So it's also it's not just Vineyard, it's about working with like Oil and London Fovo to achieve all these goals because like 00:27:50
yeah, we have our city, but that doesn't mean I still want a pollution in with our boundaries, like what affect our other like 00:27:55
local communities. 00:28:00
So thank you for you guys. Got to go in with construction site inspection with me. I spoke about 30% of my time on construction 00:28:09
site can show because that's our biggest concern here in Vineyard. We are growing at a crazy rapid rate if you guys are aware of 00:28:16
and setting it is the number one stormwater pollutant. So having that in CM4 and spending the most time making sure that we're 00:28:22
reducing the United States and going through Utah is my highest priority. 00:28:29
And so the newest completely built out expected will remain the highest priority. 00:28:36
And Morgan and Brian live the Dorsey and I'm pretty sure. 00:29:18
So in the future, in the future I only have increased opportunities to train contractors and developers have materials like this 00:29:25
with you guys. Tonight I'm going to update the city standards and codes and regulations like missing talked about just to make it 00:29:30
easier for me that do your job in first. 00:29:36
The regulations. 00:29:42
So. 00:29:46
So this has gotten a lot of attention at the state level. They updated the permit in May of 2021 and we. 00:29:49
And then that actually gets filed with the poverty deed. And if they sell that property, the new owner either has to update that 00:30:33
plan or follow it. So it's a legally binding document. 00:30:38
And then in the future, I want the permit requires me to go back and retrofit existing businesses that also qualify that like 00:30:44
didn't have to go through this process because it wasn't a requirement. 00:30:49
I mean ECM is all about pushing prevention and Good Housekeeping and that really pertains to like facilities owned by us. 00:30:59
So the day of that introducing story, not a portion from city owned facilities maintenance charge states, parking lots and other 00:31:07
buildings and this includes the upkeep of RMS 4 system. So we need to make sure afford aging types like we get those fixed, we 00:31:13
don't want any blockages. We're out there looking as we develop, we're going to get more restaurants and in fact oil and greens 00:31:19
will become more of a concern here in Vineyard. 00:31:24
And so in the future, I want to identify the high priority seating sites and then repair the draft slips for those system or 00:31:32
pollution prevention plan and the weekly inspections of those sites. 00:31:37
So it's so cool like vineyard, like the fastest growing that the city in the nation like. And as beautiful Guitar Lake and Utah 00:31:45
Lake is getting so much attention. I recently went to like the Utah Lake Summit just to find out about like what is coming down 00:31:53
the pipeline for regulation gymnastic. And my job is just solely concentrating on making sure that the stormwater quality readings 00:32:01
are even going and see Utah Lake is as good as it can be. So that's that's like where I focus. 00:32:09
So what people are really focusing on, Utah Lake is. 00:32:17
What's gonna happen with climate change, however? Increasing wildfire and droughts going to affect that stormwater setting, that 00:32:21
pollution, What's going to happen with the toxic eligible rooms? Or they're going to get worse, because if we're going to build 00:32:27
like this awesome downtown waterfront and venue, but then they can't use Utah Lake. 00:32:33
I just want to make sure like we're not contributing to that problem. 00:32:41
I'm really excited in this site specific standards which are going to like be geared towards the total system so it's faster than 00:32:45
Nitrogen. 00:32:49
So here is a short video. So everybody is also referred to as great infrastructure. It's the same thing, but these are just some 00:32:55
types of lighting features. 00:33:00
Already can be stuck through it but. 00:33:08
And this video really focuses on the non structure which is using a lot of native vegetation which has longer roots so it's able 00:33:11
to like. 00:33:16
It's better for Stone Medical. 00:33:21
Think of appointments with Stonewood. Actually can, like, soak in and doesn't just run off. 00:33:26
Can I start these connections? You're going to use that storm water as irrigation water for airlines you're using that water? 00:33:33
Guidance are a little bit more difficult here in Utah because. 00:33:41
We're switching down state. 00:33:46
Better for Utah won't require quite as much water. 00:33:49
I suppose it is similar. You can choose native species that are drunk, they don't use a lot of water chew vaccine or something. 00:33:55
I'm really excited about incorporating the downtown vineyard. 00:34:01
Have you got a choice? Actually, this is the urban island effect, which makes it more hot and thinking of an urban tree canopy. 00:34:10
I love ideal green streets and our ways. I want to also incorporate what's called 0 skipping like. 00:34:24
Astroturf gravel. Like, really pretty landscaping that It also focuses on weather conservation. 00:34:32
There's a really quick project called recurrent way that's actually focusing on main conservation and. 00:34:46
Doctors names and then make sure. 00:34:52
Yeah, I live in shorelines. I feel like, where carways can be a great example of all three of those, lad. 00:35:00
Can residents legally keep stormwater in like storage on their property? 00:35:08
Yes, yes, they can. They can harvest stormwater roads are permitting feed that goes through a permitting process for the state. I 00:35:16
can't remember if it's the cutoff is 1000 gallons or 1500 gallons, but I think you can actually do 2, but there is a process to do 00:35:22
that and allow you to do that cool. 00:35:27
They're responding to be worked in Omaha is actually illegal to harvest storm water and we promoted it and we would have rain 00:35:34
barrel art can test think about rain barrels and the rain barrel creation demonstrations, but I don't. 00:35:41
I don't want to promote anything illegal here so so there has a lot of knowledge on there and I guess I. 00:35:48
And so they says, OK, well, if that's the case, then your waters is causing damage to my property. And so that forced the state to 00:36:24
go back in and reevaluate that. So they've come up with these guidelines, but you can harvest rainwater, OK. 00:36:30
Yeah, there's a limit, yeah. 00:36:37
Our requirements as a city to manage that. So why is this important to you guys as elected officials? 00:36:40
So clean water is a vital and essential asset for every community and residents. 00:36:51
So how do we keep? 00:36:57
How do we keep it so that everyone has clean drinking water? You can recruit on Utah Lake and we have a beautiful community that 00:37:00
is rush and green, but we're also focusing on those water conservation goals because we have been an extreme drought for so long. 00:37:07
So we do some partnerships. 00:37:15
We work with. 00:37:17
But in the past, a lot of, not a lot of attention was directed towards Storm Island management and just kind of got pushed on the 00:38:03
back burner. And that's starting to change. It seems to have to kind of like educate people as you go, because a lot of people 00:38:09
didn't even know about this like 5-10 years ago. 00:38:14
So you want your stakeholders supporting restaurant for community support because these programs require money and community 00:38:23
support. If people are going to pay taxes and fees, they want to know how has they never been spent. 00:38:30
So they have to see that like these systems work, they have to support them, they have to look good, they have to add to the value 00:38:37
of the community. And economic development is also very important. So when they can show developers and contractors that these LID 00:38:44
practices can actually save them money in the long term if they are easier to get them on board. 00:38:50
So how are you still running a sustainable manner? Because that's important to the quality of life, economic development and 00:38:57
ultimately the quality of space initiative, which is one of the most important things in Vineyard right now as we're building this 00:39:02
downtown area. 00:39:07
So recommendations that I would make when you're thinking about. 00:39:13
If I come to you in the future with like coaching with you, I'm doing all of this with like the goals of being efficient with 00:39:18
taxpayer money, educating the community on local issues of the understand these fees because. 00:39:25
Have you had your Rosario taxes in Omaha by 70%? We have combined sewer systems, so our sanitary system and our storm water system 00:39:33
systems were combined and we got a lot more rainfall in Omaha than you here and we were dumping last sewage. 00:39:41
We're getting water that should go to the loose water treatment plant directly into the Missouri River 96 * a year. Kansas City 00:39:51
was downstream of us and we were having to clean up our pollution. They got pretty angry. They went to the EPA. We were getting 00:39:57
this food, and then the EPA came to us and we ended the path. We do a $2 billion combined sale separation project and someone had 00:40:03
to pay for that. 00:40:09
So yeah, so be mindful of these things as you build our city. 00:40:18
Do you guys have any questions? 00:40:24
I actually have. 00:40:28
Or three. The first one is you mentioned that you revised the storm water management plan and that you have to highlight the major 00:40:29
changes from the previous year or something. What were three or four of those changes that are priorities from last year to this 00:40:35
year? 00:40:41
So. 00:40:47
Our Senate Management plan was updated in 2019 by the previous. 00:40:49
Employee in reposition that update that last somehow so when I started working here I. 00:40:56
Previously, Irish ceremonies been playing hadn't been updated since 2016 when we initially applied for our permit and all that 00:41:04
storm of the management plan did was the permit was copied and pasted into a document and it said Vineyard City will comply with 00:41:10
this. 00:41:15
So I literally had to rewrite the entire document. 00:41:21
So are there 3 or 4 priorities that you're focusing on right now versus in the past? What are those? So I went over there 6 00:41:25
measures, and we talked about what we're currently doing, and we talked about what I want to do in the future. 00:41:33
And there's actually a pledge in the stormwater management plan, hiring the priorities that I can send out to you guys tomorrow if 00:41:44
you do enough for that. I'd like to see that, OK, Do we have any issues of illegal dumping in vineyard wastewater, you know, 00:41:50
chemicals, oils? 00:41:56
Has there been any history of illegal dumping because of the way we're spread out in the community? Yes, most of its leaking 00:42:03
vehicles. I've had several complaints of people dumping dirt, large dirt piles in areas that haven't been developed. We also have 00:42:09
this illegal parking. 00:42:16
Parking lot. 00:42:24
And we have a lot of illegal dumping cars just being abandoned in that parking lot. 00:42:27
So we don't have any chemicals being dumped into the system. We don't have any oils, gasolines that are being illegally dumped by 00:42:33
commercial users. Not that I've noticed. Anytime it's happened the last year, it's been an accident a few months ago, Liberty. 00:42:42
But the trash people that come pick up the trash, they have a 30, the hydraulic hose broke on their truck and there's the 30 down 00:42:52
release. So we would not go with burden powder and just like stock. And then we covered all of the Emirates so that it came in the 00:42:59
Emirates and then they came in with a truck that they it's like a water back truck where they spread the street where all that 00:43:06
hydraulic wood was and then actually vacuumed up the wastewater. 00:43:13
They were initially going to put that wastewater down, the stranger, and they said that wasn't acceptable and we came up with that 00:43:21
solution. 00:43:24
Otherwise, it's just like great situations like that, like breaking vehicles and the construction site. The last winter I had a 00:43:27
truck in the Hamptons parked on top of a slim drain that was making oil, Rick Perrier with JB said. He reported it to me. I will 00:43:35
not be with him. We have the vehicle removed from the site I put in and started doing down into the emirate to try to soak up some 00:43:42
of that oil. My goal was to get all the oil out until there wasn't a Sheen present anymore and then. 00:43:50
And there's state requirements. If it's like over 25 gallons you have to report to the state. So Liberty Services had to report 00:43:58
that 30,000 hydraulic spill to the state, but they took care of that. If you would have a spill over 25 gallons or each substance 00:44:06
has a different requirement, we would have to report that to the state. But we're putting our public works division was constantly 00:44:14
like out and about and our parks and Rec is monitoring and I actually get a lot of. 00:44:22
But my coworkers are like, I saw this, we'll go check it out because I'm just one person running this entire department. So like, 00:44:31
I can't go out and fill 100% of the time and do everything else. So our departments, they've been really great with, like, letting 00:44:36
me know what's going on in the city. 00:44:41
So as a Planning Commission, what should be our main focus I. 00:44:47
In terms of the decisions we make here? 00:44:53
How can we be more involved in what should we be focusing on as it relates to stormwater? When you guys get any kind of new 00:44:56
project on the horizon, just making sure that those contractors are aware of the new lid requirements. I really like to see the 00:45:04
infrastructure being important. I really like to see the story never been returned on site and then we're building a downtown 00:45:11
area. I'm willing to see water conservation measures for an incorporated and those plans. 00:45:19
Because we are increasing the amount of impervious surfaces, I want as much storm water as possible retained on site. Because if 00:45:28
we can retain that storm water on site, then we don't have to spend money installing features into our clovers and our storm water 00:45:36
systems to collect that trash can, the brain and sediment and the rest. So we have to use the hydrodynamic separator here in 00:45:44
vineyard the water goes in the pipe and then it swirls like a tornado and then that lifts the sediment falls to the bottom. 00:45:51
And then the trash gets collected. So those systems require maintenance work for a back truck to come and clean up that sediment 00:45:59
and then dispose of it at a land so as well as the trash. So the more we can meet in storm water on site, the less maintenance and 00:46:06
resources and money that we have to put towards cleaning up the storm water as it goes downstream. 00:46:14
How much trash do we actually collect in the system? That would be a really good question for Josh either. He averages 194 miles a 00:46:23
year, which doesn't sound like a lot, but that's actually a lot for state sleeping. 00:46:30
I have to So Chris Thomas is in charge of the storm sewer system and he's in charge of all the ministries open. I focus most on 00:46:39
the permit, but I can definitely ask him to send out that information with the priority list and the system does have mechanisms 00:46:45
to stop. 00:46:50
The exploit of trash into the lake though so so we don't have that problem. We have 5 hydrogen hydrogen separators in the city. 00:46:56
Currently we're working with. Is it flagship on installing some smells with biospheres. 00:47:05
Project the new train station so a snout. You can install it on a stone system and then that water comes in. It has an anti cycle 00:47:14
mechanism so that the water can't come back out and the trash can't exclude. 00:47:21
I mean if you add a bioscript onto this note the bioskirt is designed to capture hydrocarbons like your oils and greases so that 00:47:29
when the water comes through that trash, that sediment, those oils are collected so that weather was then to register water 00:47:36
detention basin. It is cleaner before it gets fat system and then that system will not require as much maintenance either because 00:47:42
there seems like a suddenly there's both traps. So if we can prevent that sediment and trash from going to the distance going to 00:47:48
work in the first place. 00:47:55
Then we don't have to go, but it's systems too. And just to elaborate on Justin's earlier comments. 00:48:02
We're also about how much trash is in the systems of. 00:48:09
Justin is working well gentlemen, with the BYU now the wire resource department in regards to setting up a program where we can 00:48:13
actually do some studies, partnering up for the students to actually do studies because again everybody comes down to water 00:48:20
quality coming out is one of the big impacts in where the Justine's work with the BYU will be able to actually start capturing 00:48:27
metrics. So when, so we'll actually know what we're doing is that. 00:48:35
Working product you know having positive impacts and of course trying out some new Omps best management practices to see what you 00:48:42
know what else can we do and get authorized to do by the state to help enhance that storm water quality. Pretty soon I think 00:48:49
Justine of the will be calling it Doctor Martin I actually. So that whole the research I'm doing I will so allow the permit 00:48:56
requirements are coming out of east where they get a lot more rainfall than we do here in the West. So I want to do research on 00:49:03
how well these. 00:49:10
LIDBM PS That the state is promoting works in a semi arid climate. 00:49:17
So we have 5 covert that discharge the utility and I will start sampling this coverage to see where a lot of quality currently is 00:49:22
and then install different band please and then test it in to see how much the water is cleaned up. And then I don't see how much 00:49:30
it costs to input like construct these BMPS and then how much the ongoing maintenance is to get a life cycle analysis. And then I 00:49:38
actually just wrote a paper for the American Public Works Association that got published yesterday. 00:49:46
Describing how we're going to overcome the barriers to the front, to defining the test, effective analysis of the things used in 00:49:55
semiary climates. So I'm really excited about. 00:50:01
Like contribute and then we can take this research and go to the state and start this conversation about. 00:50:08
Do these permit updates make sense for our community? 00:50:14
Because if they don't, then we could request a lot of things. And there's. I'm not considering. It was just like all kinds of cool 00:50:19
stuff you can do, but you have data to start these conversations. 00:50:24
Cool. Do you have any requirements for the downtown as far as permeable surfaces? 00:50:30
For the. 00:50:37
Any other no that language was written to like encourage it but it's not it's not a requirement of the the the zoning code. So 00:50:40
they would have to meet any storm water requirements that we have that that Justine has within her standards and if we we up 00:50:48
those, I mean that's a conversation that we can have with them. They're probably once they start construction I would imagine 00:50:56
they're they they may have some vesting depending on what which phase of the development they're working on so. 00:51:03
Adjusting my ability can speak a little bit to like the downtown specific, maybe some of the things that you've discussed with 00:51:12
with with them for storm water, yeah so with the requirements of the permit, every property owner is required to retain the 80th 00:51:19
percentile some of the end site. So anytime you get more than you get 1/2 inch rain event or higher that has to be retained on 00:51:25
site. 00:51:32
And so we're working with dancing with Flagship and creating tree canopies to boxers. Some lid components such as permeable 00:51:40
pavement. We are choosing shoes that are not water intensive. 00:51:49
Because we want to, we own a true citizen, but we also want to promote water conservation. So I don't want a citizen to go to 00:51:58
downtown Vanguard and see all this, this grass and these trees and things that like we're, I don't know if we want a mixed message 00:52:04
is my goal. So if we plant these waterways trees like we want to, like we're also doing from the public, like hey, what kind of 00:52:11
benefit are we getting from this landscape? 00:52:18
And just again just to elaborate on what you seen talking about the flagship is the Bronson as well has been very has had positive 00:52:26
reception in regards to incorporating low impact development concepts like for example having the water shut into the into grass 00:52:33
movements and then having that having that water done slowly going to put away into the storm water system pipes and then without 00:52:40
there's. 00:52:48
Would allow the earth to provide natural filtration. 00:52:57
For the before actually gets into our storm water system pipes and then which of course goes into a another filtration system on 00:53:01
that. So we're actually we postpone our meeting for today due to bad weather, but we're going to be meeting with the flagship and 00:53:08
a consultant in regards to steps that we can take and actually write low impact development standards back into the downtown 00:53:15
plans. 00:53:22
OK, cool. Did you have something you wanted to do? 00:53:30
So you require people to businesses to retain the water on the mic? 00:53:37
Yeah. 00:53:45
Hi, David Larae, you're only member of public whoever comes these things. 00:53:50
So the question is you require businesses to retain water on site? 00:53:54
I assume we assume that over time, a bunch of that will accumulate. What do they do when they want to get rid of it? 00:54:01
So any kind of LAD feature is designed to drain in 24 to 48 hours so they shouldn't have standing water on their property. 00:54:11
Explain that and see if it drains. Just want to percolate that in the soil. Yeah. So the non structural format of being P such as 00:54:23
a bias where rain garden, that rainfall is going to fall onto this site and it's going to be channeled to those BMP systems and 00:54:31
then it's going to take about a day or two So that soil to soak up that water. We have an extra challenge in the vineyard because 00:54:38
if you look at the soil you'll see that we have really poorly draining soils. 00:54:46
We've also purposely lowered our grandmother elevation paper because we don't want homeowners to have to have stamps and use 00:54:55
arranging system. Who invented? 00:54:59
So. 00:55:04
Retaining the storm water on site. 00:55:06
In certain areas of of Vineyard isn't actually the the best solution, so I hope. I'm talking to this team about developing a 00:55:09
capital improvement fund where the developer is building a project on a site that has poorly drained soils close to the lake where 00:55:17
it might not be in our community's best interests. Using that from one of the site, I would like the developer to have the option 00:55:25
to contribute money to this family so that we could install a system in a better location in the city. 00:55:32
Because I don't want swimming weather in our city either. And I don't want systems that don't perform well because these systems 00:55:41
can be protocol to implement. And then if you put in the poor location, they're just not going to do that way. And then I don't 00:55:47
want bad examples of LID and they're sitting because developers and contractors are going to be like, we're going to work with and 00:55:52
we do it. 00:55:57
As so, yeah, each of them have. 00:56:04
This system should be put in places that allow for that natural percolation to occur in the time of matter so that the property 00:56:07
owners don't have to worry about getting the string letter and off the property. 00:56:13
Cool. Any other questions? 00:56:22
Have a quick one. Do any other cities tie into our stormwater? 00:56:24
I got the answer. I believe this. 00:56:29
I never read about this, but first thing that yeah, there's no other cities that tie into ours. Orem City ties some of their storm 00:56:32
water drainage into the lake bottom canal, which is piped separately from our storm water system, but it does come through our 00:56:38
city. 00:56:43
Cool. All right. Thank you so much, Justine. That was also super informative. Just to add on really quick. Thank you so much, 00:56:52
Justine, for for taking the time we requested the training we're going to provide obviously both. 00:56:59
The, the stormwater stuff is vetted prior to your review. And so that's that's pretty important. So we're going to try to provide 00:57:37
opportunities throughout the year to to get an hour here, an hour there. Russell with APA conferences, there's the one in spring 00:57:45
that's down in Kanab and then the one this fall is typically really close. And so that that that may be a major one for for a lot 00:57:54
of you guys. So we'll provide you those opportunities. 00:58:02
The Utah League also provides some land use law type training and I think next was it's a second meeting, it's in the second 00:58:10
meeting, I think it's the second meeting. 00:58:17
For the City Council, is the training, Where's that next meeting? Is that the first council meeting? So the second Wednesday? 00:58:25
Yeah, second, second. 00:58:32
I know. Do you know which one of the trainings are? 00:58:35
By chance? Well, I will. I'll send you one. 00:58:38
Well, we're going to do a training from a joint session perspective and so you'll be with the City Council and we'll have Jamie 00:58:43
there to to provide some land use open meetings, law type type training anyway. All right. Thank you. All right, thanks. Morgan, 00:58:49
any other staff reports or go ahead and see him. 00:58:55
I would like to, I like, I want to believe that Justine presentation will provide you a very constructive insight into a lot of 00:59:04
the things that she does. 00:59:10
And but what's your mother reports? Recently I had the pleasure of going down to St. George, UT for this Utah City Engineering 00:59:17
Association conference. 00:59:23
I was a 2 day festival of fun. I'm talking about engineering stuff. So it was they're prepared, productive. So in regards in 00:59:30
regards to the conference, there was a lot of continuing education that was discussed. 00:59:37
Items such as public engagement for engineering projects, excuse me, as well as traffic impact studies and water conservation. At 00:59:45
the very end of the conference, there was a less less slated discussion, panel discussion, panel discussion. 00:59:55
And the focus on it was. 01:00:04
Was city standards in regards to helping, I would say helping, but in regards to your providing by the customer enhanced customer 01:00:09
service for our developers and builders or even or even our residents to those who may build in one city and then build in another 01:00:18
city as well that kind of monetize on that because with the City of Vineyard. 01:00:26
Developing the infrastructure standards, awaiting updates. APWA, the American Public Works Association Justin mentioned before, is 01:00:36
going to be releasing a certain new update standards in the city. The city is going to be following suit, updating our standards. 01:00:44
One of the things that one of our focus on, and again something that I take to heart, is ensuring that our standards are usually 01:00:52
understandable. Because when they're easily understandable, they're easily executable. 01:01:00
And which causes you know which allows builders, developers, homeowners to be able to not make mistakes and of course allows the 01:01:08
city when for public infrastructure to actually accept bus mistakes on that. So the city is going to be has already had 01:01:16
discussions with City of London and then and talks to City of Oklahoma in regards to what their standards are and come come to 01:01:24
consensus of how we can kind of find the Feng shui. 01:01:31
You know the medium which works, you know which works, you know for the in the best interest of Vineyard as well. So when that 01:01:40
gets off, the gets off, the gets off and actually APWA releases their standards. So again it's going to be thong suits and then 01:01:47
those standards. 01:01:53
Will be presented to the Planning Commission report and City Council to go to be enacted. And also our intent is that when we do 01:02:00
interact that we provide the grace period of approximately 90 days to allow developers to, you know, understand what's going on 01:02:08
and make those adjustments. So that that's the big take away from the Utah City, Utah City Engineers Association conference. Cool. 01:02:16
All right, Awesome. Thanks. Anything else from staff, any Commission member, expert. 01:02:23
Yeah, so I, as many of you probably know, just from like, like Facebook and everything. 01:02:33
You know lives that that you're totally fine, but just we need to let you know that process is started. 01:03:12
There's a signature gathering phase and then there's there's a lot of time frames that that that the group will need to meet and 01:03:18
so we'll we'll track that and see kind of where where it goes and give you updates. But just as a Commission it's just kind of 01:03:26
important within the Planning Commission you're you're neutral regardless of your for or against personally. So just wanted to say 01:03:33
so Morgan what what is the intention of the referendum, what is the purpose of it? 01:03:41
The way the city approved the project. 01:04:22
Yeah. So that would be an actual question. So it'd be a ballot initiative question and then it would be you know, for people to 01:04:25
vote, I'm assuming it's going to be in opposition obviously of of the the development. And so there would be a question for then 01:04:33
there would be a group that would write a question against or there there'd be a statement for and against. But yeah, they would 01:04:40
put on the ballot and they would allow the citizens to vote on it in November. But we're we're, we're not that point so. 01:04:48
We we can give you guys kind of an update if if like those those benchmarks are met. 01:04:56
Do they have a certain amount of time together, the necessary signatures after which it's no longer valid or what? Yeah. So 01:05:03
there's a time frame. And so I don't I I don't really want to speak out of turn that's that's that's a a Pam thing. So it's a 01:05:08
legal requirement there's there's specific dates where they have to get things submitted and then signatures have to be verified, 01:05:14
OK. 01:05:19
Does that mean that the developer can't start underneath development until November? No, it's it's they're very good to go. So 01:05:26
they they have an approval until they and then I can double check with them. But there is a process at which if they made a 01:05:32
specific benchmarks with the signatures where that could put a stay on processing the application. So one thing we'll see probably 01:05:38
and then your next meeting is the development agreement. So the development agreement would would still move move forward through 01:05:44
the process. 01:05:50
They could apply for Platts once that's done and they could they can go go through the process until the county. 01:05:56
Provides the a certificate that basically says that it has to be stayed. So we we would get that from the county. I don't I don't 01:06:05
know the process 100% but we've met a bunch of times with with Pam, but that's that's you know kind of the basic framework of the 01:06:12
powered work. But the developer has actually purchased the property. I mean that part of it has been done. 01:06:19
That's that's kind of why I've referred. I I don't know for sure though can you tell until we see it on the county records? 01:06:27
All right, so anyway. 01:06:36
Thanks. Thanks for the update. All right. Any Commission member expert a reports or discussion? 01:06:38
I have one. 01:06:45
And it is just to make sure that we as a Planning Commission are aware that the House Bill 1232. 01:06:47
Which would create the Utah Lake Authority, as I understand it. 01:06:56
Would essentially once that authority was created. 01:07:03
Would basically take away from the Vineyard City Planning Commission. 01:07:07
Any decision making authority we may have or recommending to the City Council authority. 01:07:12
That we may have on anything that's associated with the Lakeshore. 01:07:19
Now I understand that it's there's some decision to be made about how far away from the water does that decision go. I understand 01:07:24
that it's at the high watermark. 01:07:29
That's kind of defined somewhere as to what that is, but I am concerned as an example with the new city center being built and us 01:07:35
wanting to do a lot of things along the Lakeshore. 01:07:42
That if this bill passes and I am not an authority on what's good and bad about the bill, but what I'm concerned about is us 01:07:50
losing our authority to make decisions around the Lakeshore and my understanding is, is that. 01:07:58
Once that bill is passed, if passed as it's currently worded, that the utilization authority would be created and then they would 01:08:07
be the ones who would decide on anything improvements or any changes or anything requiring planning along that defined not barrier 01:08:14
defined zone from the water. 01:08:21
Well, I understand that currently the procedure would be if the if the city wanted to do something right along the Lakeshore, we 01:08:29
really don't have authority to do it anyway without going to the state. And there's a process that we would apply through the 01:08:35
state to do things along the Lakeshore. 01:08:41
Because of the laws around the Lakeshore. 01:08:47
But if there's Utah, Lake Authority is actually created, they would be the the decision makers as to what is is happening along 01:08:50
the Lake Shore. So that's one thing I wanted to point out because I think it's it's a concern to me. 01:08:57
To have authorities that we currently have invested with us. 01:09:04
Being taken over by another body who doesn't report to the city. 01:09:08
It's an independent body. 01:09:14
And the second thing is relating a little bit to a sub part of all of this and that's the lake restoration solutions. If you look 01:09:17
at the current maps that are there through the Army Corps of Engineers, that's posted. 01:09:25
The Lake Restoration Solutions plan is to create two major thoroughfares that would give them access to the islands in the lake. 01:09:35
And those those access points would be 400 S. 01:09:45
And we remember recently how much pushback we get from just simply the play farm, holdaway, farm development on increasing 01:09:50
traffic. You can imagine if there are. 01:09:55
Thousands of homes to get built in the lake, what the traffic would be through those two access points. The other one is 1600 N as 01:10:01
I recall. But those are two things I just wanted to bring out and put on the table. Not that we have to do anything about them, 01:10:08
but I think we we really need to be studying those bills. We need to be studying the the proposals put out there by the. 01:10:16
Lake Restoration Solutions Company. 01:10:25
And do what we can as citizens and do what we can as a Planning Commission with the city. So, Mr. Chair, that's my comment. All 01:10:28
right. Thanks, Tim. OK And if that's everything, then I want to keep it top of mind and it's all sound like a broken record, but 01:10:35
just wanted to make sure that. 01:10:41
The trail connection is planned for the April date like on on when the train station opens, that's that's anticipated to be there 01:10:48
as well because I've seen a lot of work with the. 01:10:54
With the roads for moving vehicles toward the train station, but I just want to make sure we don't miss on getting the South part 01:11:01
of the city connected there. 01:11:05
I haven't seen any movement and I know that's supposed to be over the next. 01:11:10
Two months. 01:11:14
Or less than two months. 01:11:16
So engineer. 01:11:19
So again, I would like to believe. 01:11:22
That the connector is worker, so it's given update and actually there is a question I was posed just minutes ago and also I'll 01:11:25
just kind of restate to what I provided to our communications manager. So in order to make the connection the channel has to go 01:11:33
through UTR go into UTS right away. So we can I'll have we've had a discussion with UTI we've we've provided them a proposed 01:11:41
connection design. 01:11:50
ETA has providers an initial. 01:11:59
OK, to proceed with final designs, the revolver of the downtown areas is currently developing those final designs for for the 01:12:01
trail access to go underneath the attacker overpass to connect to connect the southern parts of the trail to the venue connector. 01:12:09
They're actually, I'm not going to come up and give you a date that I can't policy you because after the final designs are done, 01:12:16
they have to be submitted to MTA. We do have great partnership with ETA. 01:12:24
Were they were constructed in front administration we're working with we're working with them to make regards to the temporary 01:12:32
parking lot that they that they need in order to have that conversation to function as well and ETA it has provides a courtesy. 01:12:42
You know accuracy. 01:12:53
Expediting what we need in order to connect the southern part of the trial to the front Runner station. So I'll follow up with the 01:12:56
developer in regards to their final designs for electric section and then and when they get to ETA, I'll be following up with ETA 01:13:03
or contact there to ensure that we can get that connection there. ETA has an interest to ensure that that connection is made as 01:13:10
well because that is directly impacting in a positive way. 01:13:17
The ridership left for Dinner Station. So all the players are involved, wanted to happen. But again, it is going through his 01:13:24
proper channels to ensure that when it does happen that we're not causing any kind of negative impacts, especially to the 01:13:31
translation, and that we don't have to go back. And am I am I up here to tell you that we're doing a project that we thought that 01:13:38
was already done? OK yeah. And I trust everyone's on top of it. I'll just. I'll definitely not let you forget about it. 01:13:45
But I think it's it's already designed for pedestrians and bikes. I believe we have signs that have ribbetting skateboards just 01:13:54
kind of make sure that's that's. 01:13:59
As long as there's a connection, I think that the biggest miss that we could possibly have here is forcing people to hop into a 01:14:07
car to get to a train station, because once they've done that, they're just going to give up on the train trip so. 01:14:12
Alright, cool. If that's everything, then meeting during. 01:14:20
scroll up