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4.1    September,202    November,203    December,20
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Motion: COMMISSIONER TIM BLACKBURN MOTIONED TO APPROVE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. COMMISSIONER JESSICA WELCH SECONDED THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER WELCH, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, COMMISSIONER KNIGHTON, AND COMMISSIONER RASMUSSEN VOTED AYE. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.       BUSINESS ITEMS
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5.1    Lakefront at Town Center Phase ·        The Planning Commission will consider making a recommendation for approval of a site plan for the Open Space area delineated as wetlands.   Planner II Briam Amaya Perez reviewed the site plan and landscape plan from the previous Planning Commission. He stated that the area had been cleared by the Army Core of Engineers as not wetlands. To prevent flooding and liability issues, Edge Homes had decided to maintain the area as open space. They have planned to include natural vegetation in the area. At the previous Planning Commission, no action was taken because the Commissioners wanted Commissioner Amber Rasmussen to review the plans. Since then, Commissioner Rasmussen has reviewed the plans and Mr. Perez turned the time over to her to present.     Commissioner Rasmussen stated that she did not want this open space to be wetlands anymore as moisture will not match well with the planned vegetation. She asked for clarification on the moisture of the soil. She stated that she would like flowering plants to encourage monarchs to return to the area. Lastly, she stated that it is important for staff to have appropriate plans to care for the area.   Community Development Director Morgan clarified that this area will be a part of the HOA and they will maintain the area. Brandon Watson with Edge Homes gave a brief background of the area. He stated that they originally wanted to build units but decided against it due to the moisture in the area. Edge Homes had put an underground drain system so that when water is present, it will be channeled out of the area and prevent the water from surfacing.0 West also had a drain system installed under the road. They are open to filling the wetlands with any materials as they can control the moisture. He continued that if you go to the area today, it is covered in phragmites and they want to remove them. They have consulted with Golden Landscape on what to do with this vegetation and have created a plan. Edge Homes felt comfortable with this landscaping plan and believed that it will maintain consistency with the improvements along the lakeshore.   Sitting Chair Anthony Jenkins asked about a federal designation change that allowed for this open space. Mr. Watson replied that they consulted with an environmental engineer. In that consultation, they assumed that due to the proximity to Utah Lake, the area would be considered wetlands. There was a new federal ruling that stated that you cannot assume wetlands designation based on proximity. The Army Core of Engineers performed a sample research and determined that the area was not wetlands.   Sitting Chair Jenkins asked if this ruling could flip-flop from a change in federal government.   Commissioner Rasmussen believed that it is important for the Commission and City to set standards so that federal rulings do not alter plans for the city and this area. She stated that she wanted to be involved in the decision to divert the water in this area but was not asked about it.   Mr. Perez stated that the city wanted to ensure that wetlands are wetlands if we are to treat them as such. He continued that there is nothing that prevents the city from establishing its own rules on what to classify as a wetland. There is currently a study for the wetlands next to Vineyard Grove Park. Doing so, it allows the city to use the space properly without having to go through the Army Core.
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Sitting Chair Jenkins asked for a staff review and display of the area.   Mr. Watson displayed the material that Edge Homes had prepared. The area includes Kentucky bluegrass, intermediate and short grasses, windbreaker, and wild rye. These are all typical native plants for the area.   Commissioner Rasmussen mentioned that the Snake River wheat grass is not native and would support a change in the plan to reflect that.   Mr. Brim asked Mr. Watson if they would be okay with including flowering plants as requested from the Commission.   Commissioner Tim Blackburn stated that he would like for butterflies and bees to find refuge and food throughout Vineyard whenever possible. If there is open space, he wanted to ensure that they would include habitat for these. He asked if there was going to be any irrigation system. Mr. Watson replied that where there is sod laid, there will be irrigation but in the natural area there will not. They are going to work with Golden Landscaping to determine the best time to plant these native plants to ensure they take root. Commissioner Blackburn asked if they are going to bring in topsoil to promote growth. Mr. Watson replied that they would bring in6 inches of topsoil for the grass but not add it to the natural area as it is not needed.   Commissioner Rasmussen asked how small the sod areas would be. Mr. Watson replied that they do not like any areas for sod that are smaller thanfeet in width.   Mr. Watson mentioned that a bridge will not be installed because water in the area will not be sufficient for one. There are plans for one to be installed further west near the lake.
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Commissioner Knighton asked Mr. Watson what the reason for the path through the natural vegetation was. Mr. Watson stated that although the path will not be a bridge, the path will provide a way for pedestrians a way to get through the vegetation.   Mr. Perez had a discussion with Water Manager Sullivan Love about the tree manual. The staff would encourage the landscaping company to use the landscaping manual to include a larger variety of trees in the area. Commissioner Rasmussen clarified that trees do need drip lines to survive.   Commissioner Blackburn stated that if the tree manual prohibits certain trees, the developer should adhere to follow the same thinking. Mr. Perez agreed but clarified that they are not required to by code. The staff would appreciate for Mr. Watson to show the landscaper the tree manual.   Commissioner Blackburn observed that from a historical perspective of Vineyard, they are always looking for open spaces for artifacts that would be placed throughout the area.  Mr. Watson did not have an issue with the proposal.   Sitting Chair Jenkins asked what the timeframe for this would be. Mr. Watson replied that this approval is the last piece of the puzzle and then0 West would be opened up. Once that happens, the current road will be dissolved and0 West will become the main roadway. They just got approval from state lands to get improvements along the lake going.   Commissioner Knighton asked how to include wording in the motion to encourage the use of the tree manual. Mr. Brim replied that this developer has been responsive and could not be tied down to using the manual.
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Motion: COMMISSIONER KNIGHTON MOVED TO APPROVE THE PLANS WITH CONDITIONS OF INTRODUCING NATIVE FLOWERING SPECIES WITH AN UPDATED LANDSCAPING PLAN PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. COMMISSION RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: COMMISSIONER JENKINS, RASMUSSEN, KNIGHTON, BLACKBURN, AND WELCH VOTED AYE. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.     WORKSESSION1    None     COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSION DISCLOSURE Commissioner Rasmussen stated that she has been working on producing a webinar on how to get rid of invasive species. She is expecting it to be done around mid-February.   Sitting Chair Jenkins asked for Commissioner Rasmussen to look into awards that the city could be awarded for open spaces.   Sitting Chair Jenkins mentioned that the Bike Committee has discussed trails and there will be more coming out soon.   Mr. Perez stated that the RV parking text amendment will take place next meeting. Staff will provide options that the Commission will take to City council. This council meeting will include Mr. Perez’s diagnostics of the general plan and asked the Commission members to ensure they send comments to him so that he can take it to a staff report.     ADJOURNMENT
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Motion: COMMISSIONER RASMUSSEN MOTIONED TO ADJURN THE MEETING. COMMISSIONER WELCH SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: COMMISSIONER JENKINS, RASMUSSEN, KNIGHTON, BLACKBURN, AND WELCH VOTED AYE. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.     MINUTES APPROVED ON:  April21   CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:  /s/ Cache J. Hancey                                             Cache J. Hancey, Planning Technician
Symptoms weren't very serious then. No, I'm not. Nothing really. My wife is pregnant. She got really bad. Oh, I'm sorry. So yeah. 00:00:00
Yeah, but anyway. But she got over it. Morgan. Pardon me. Morgan, are you recording the Zoom video? Zoom call. 00:00:09
Yep, Yep. I'm gonna hit record right now. So we're recording. OK, great. Yeah. 00:00:18
Say about the bad things we were talking about. That's right, we're talking about it. 00:00:24
All right, morning. You want me to get us started? Yeah, absolutely. So just to kind of turn the reins over to Anthony, I talked 00:00:34
to Bryce. Bryce, who is the chair and Shannon Vice Chair, both were unable to make it. Our bylaws under the Planning Commission 00:00:41
say in that case that the chair will call a what's called a Chair Pro 10. 00:00:48
That basically means the sheriff was one meeting and so he's asked Anthony to do it and he accepted. So to return the time over to 00:00:56
Anthony. 00:01:00
All right, Thanks Morgan. We'll just do a quick roll call here. Just so we know who the voting members will be today. Myself, 00:01:04
Anthony will be on Jeff and Tim, then I see Amber and Jessica as well. So if if all of you are able to turn on your your mics and 00:01:14
cameras, we'll have that be the five voting members today. Did I miss anyone else that's going to be sitting on? 00:01:24
An alternate. 00:01:34
It looks like you got everyone. 00:01:36
Great. Well then we will call this meeting to order. It's 6:01 PM and this is a regular meeting of the Vineyard Planning 00:01:38
Commission on Wednesday, January 20th at and we will start by reading this written determination. 00:01:47
And I'll just read this verbatim again about the virtual meetings. 00:01:57
This meeting will be an electronic meeting according to Vineyard Municipal Code Section 3.08 point 030I. Anthony Jenkins, member 00:02:04
of the Planning Commission Chair Pro Tem do hereby find and declare as follows. Due to the emergency conditions which exist in the 00:02:11
State of Utah, specifically in Utah County and Vineyard City as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and the recent surge in COVID-19 00:02:19
infections across the state and in Utah County, the holding of public. 00:02:26
With an anchor location, as defined by the Utah Open and Public Meetings Act, presents a substantial risk to the health and safety 00:02:33
of those who may be present at the anchor location. And the risk to those who may be present at an anchor location can be 00:02:39
substantially mitigated by holding public meetings of the Planning Commission pursuant to electronic means that allow for public 00:02:45
participation via virtual means. And the City has the means and ability to allow virtual participation in the public meetings in 00:02:51
accordance with Utah Open. 00:02:57
Public MEETINGS ACT now. Therefore, based upon the foregoing, for 30 days from this date, from the date of this order, meetings of 00:03:03
the Vineyard Planning Commission shall be conducted by virtual means without an anchor location. 00:03:10
All right, um. 00:03:18
We'll just jump right into this. I did not ask anyone ahead of time to leave us in the Pledge of Allegiance or offer an 00:03:21
invocation. 00:03:25
But on a important day for a country with an inauguration, would anyone be willing to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? 00:03:30
Yeah, I can, Anthony. OK, great. 00:03:45
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:03:50
Of the United States of America into the one nation. 00:03:53
Liberty and justice overall. 00:04:02
All right, that's kind of hard to be in unison. 00:04:06
But I have my hand over my heart. We'll forego the national anthem because I don't know if that would go very well with us singing 00:04:13
together. 00:04:17
We'll jump right in now. 00:04:22
To the open session. So this is an opportunity for any members of the public to express any comments that they have for items that 00:04:24
are not listed on the agenda. The only agenda item today is the Lakefront Town Center. So if you have something to discuss other 00:04:31
than that, now is the time to do so and we'll look for raised hands in Zoom. 00:04:37
OK, not seeing any. 00:04:48
Morgan, do you see any? 00:04:50
I do not know. OK, all right. Then we will move along and and jump right into minutes for review and approval. These include from 00:04:54
September 16th, November 4th and December 2nd and they were attached for everyone's opportunity to review. Do I have a motion or 00:05:00
any discussion that needs to take place for the minutes? 00:05:07
I did review them and since I was president altruism, they looked accurate to me. 00:05:15
OK. Any further discussion on those or are we OK for a motion? 00:05:26
I do make a motion then that we approve and then it's so identified in the agenda. I don't remember the dates that we approve them 00:05:33
as they were written and presented. All right. Thanks, Tim with the motion. Do I have a second? 00:05:40
Second. All right. All in favor, aye. 00:05:50
OK, great. So those are approved. We'll now move on to Section 5.1 Lakefront at Town Center Phase 1G. And this is an opportunity 00:05:54
to consider approval of a site plan for the open space and delineated wetland area, formerly delineated wetland area, I suppose. 00:06:01
So we'll turn it over to staff and the applicant. 00:06:08
Thanks, Commissioner Jenkins, appreciate that. Yeah, so last time as, as as was mentioned. 00:06:18
This site plan and landscape plan was brought forward by Brandon who works with Edge Homes who was on the call with us and. 00:06:25
Basically, yeah, we learned that this area had been cleared by the Army Corps of Engineers as as not wetlands. Initially they were 00:06:34
going to develop 22 units on there, but to prevent flooding, liability issues and things like that, they decided to. 00:06:45
Keep it as open space, but they want to enhance it with some natural vegetations in there, some native plants and and also have it 00:06:56
be a feature that's going to provide some environmental and social benefits for the community. But no action was taken on it last 00:07:05
week. So there was there was no approval because a few Commission members suggested or they wanted to have. 00:07:14
Commissioner Amber Essenston. 00:07:23
Look over the plans and provide some comments based on her expertise as a Master Gardener. 00:07:25
And so she's now had the chance to do that. And so we, we're going to have the, the pleasure of listening to her comments and, and 00:07:30
getting some feedback from her. And, and then afterwards we'll, we'll proceed with, with, with, with some sort of action from the 00:07:36
Commission. 00:07:42
But I'll just add Brian Brandon with the with the with the applicant. There's also also after Amber speaks, we should get Brandon 00:07:49
opportunity to to address the Commission, OK. 00:07:56
Excellent, wonderful. 00:08:03
OK, so I will forward the time to Commissioner Rasmussen for for her comments. 00:08:04
All right. Well, I hope it's as pleasant as you're expecting it to be. 00:08:11
I have reviewed I must admit I outsource a lot of my knowledge and stuff from Utah need to plant society as I always say so. 00:08:17
I have some backup help. I am only a master director. 00:08:26
So I think we need to know and I don't know, it wasn't clear to me at least on the plan. I want to make sure that the wetlands 00:08:31
that aren't going to be wetlands anymore aren't still areas with substantial moisture because that's not going to do well. That's 00:08:37
not going to match well with the bunch grasses. 00:08:44
That they picked. So if they can clarify what the soil types are like in each of those areas and the moisture levels, that could 00:08:52
help. 00:08:56
And also I would like to see Forbes flowering plants in there. I mean, that's a great opportunity to have. And we have a number of 00:09:01
people in the city who want to do them on our police station where you're providing habitat for monarch, something like that. I'm 00:09:08
not that would be perfect spot to do it. So we can add milk, meat and things like that in there. But it really is important. 00:09:16
For staff that's going to be maintaining these areas that they have appropriate plans as we know. And so I just want to make sure 00:09:26
that we're really evaluating the soil types and things like that before we mix protections. That's so important. 00:09:32
I don't know if you have anything to say about right and just to add really quick, this will be so Amber, thanks for all your time 00:09:41
on this we. 00:09:46
This is kind of an extension of the first area that you use, but this will be part of their HOA, so they'll actually own this and 00:09:52
so they'll they'll be the ones. 00:09:56
Yeah, please. Amber, did you have anything else that you needed to touch on there? 00:10:07
OK. All right. Yeah, Brandon, feel free to respond to that or share any additional thoughts that you have here. Yeah. So thank you 00:10:15
everybody for your time and I feel honored I'm the only agenda item tonight. So this is. 00:10:20
Cool. So anyway, but so yeah, just kind of a real brief background as Brian had said, basically we originally had this whole area 00:10:26
of master planned out as as units. And then just due to the amount of water that was there on site, we kind of did some further 00:10:35
investigation of it, discovered that we really don't want to risk ourselves by putting any sort of. 00:10:44
Structure over top any of these wetland areas and so I I still refer to them as wetlands. 00:10:53
Whether or not technically but the ground still is wet. So as part of our plans is what we've done kind of put an under drain 00:11:00
system through there at least if there is water that would still pop up during wet season and that's really going to come and 00:11:07
notice because in the springtime. 00:11:14
You know, at least we've created a channel of some sort for the water to be able to. 00:11:23
Basically not so. 00:11:30
You've already done that. Say that again. You've already done that Well, so we've built 300 W, which is that main road that cuts 00:11:32
through the middle of it. 00:11:36
Drain system underneath that railroad. And so anyway, so then we have the ability to build these wetlands in and put in whatever 00:11:42
type of material that we want so that the native education does grow there if you go out there today. 00:11:50
Brag my teeth. And So what we need to do, obviously we've got to get rid of all of those that, as you know, they're very invasive. 00:12:02
So we've got to get rid of those first. We've consulted with our landscape. 00:12:06
Golden Landscape, actually, he did this Laker Ridge Golf Course. He's very, very familiar with this type of vegetation and what 00:12:13
needs to be done in order to get rid of those invasive weeds. So you consulted with him and have a plan in place and then. 00:12:19
Yeah. Then we intend to obviously plant the vegetation as shown on our plants. 00:12:27
Right now. So I think we've got a good plan in place and and feel comfortable about it. And again, we wanted like Morgan had 00:12:32
mentioned, we want to try to make this continuous with what we're doing along the Lakeshore improvements. And so we're doing very 00:12:38
similar and consistent type of planting through here as it ties into the Lake Shore stuff. So I hope that may be answered a few of 00:12:44
your questions, Amber. 00:12:50
And yeah, I'm happy to. I do have pictures of some of these grasses and stuff will look like, I think Tim had asked us last time. 00:12:58
Perhaps what some of those look like. And so I was able to pull pictures of those if you guys wanted to see it. Yeah, I think what 00:13:07
we can do is we can. 00:13:12
His staff wants to share some of the documents or even Brandon, if you want to share some of the pictures, we can jump into that 00:13:18
and, and talk through some of these and, and ask some questions. Before we do that though, I do have a quick question, probably 00:13:25
more for staff than for Brandon. So just educate me for a minute there. There was a. 00:13:31
Federal regulations that were changed recently that allowed for these, is that correct? 00:13:38
A lot. A lot for the designation change. 00:13:46
Because I'm curious what else is more a general question, What else was impacted potentially within the city of Vineyard by that, 00:13:50
by any rule changes? Brandon may actually be the better person to talk because he's kind of in the thick of it, OK. 00:13:57
Yeah. So we we consulted with Bowen Collins as our environmental engineer to just figure out what what we can or can't do around 00:14:07
these ideas. 00:14:11
And they brought to our attention and actually our our legal attorney, which was they had a. 00:14:15
They basically there was a Trump ruling that had come out that I guess kind of overwrote some of the automatic assumptions that 00:14:26
FEMA was making, that just because of our proximity to Utah Lake, we were automatically classified as wetlands. And they basically 00:14:34
made the assumption that there was some sort of an underground connection between Utah Lake and this wetland area. 00:14:42
And that was just strictly based on your geographic location to it, so. 00:14:51
Once this federal ruling had come out and basically said he can't just assume that unless you have absolute proof of it, FEMA went 00:14:57
and did a few, well, sorry Bowen, Bowen Collins did some extensive studies on it and submitted their report to to the acute state 00:15:05
FEMA, sorry Army Corps of Engineers and they were able to take a look at it, consult with their Sacramento office. 00:15:13
And ultimately they came back and just said, well, it's not considered waters of the United States and so. 00:15:21
Therefore, it's not jurisdictional weapons. So OK other areas because if there's other areas within the city that again it's just 00:15:27
based on. 00:15:32
Umm geographic location to Utah lake that were automatically. 00:15:39
Called wetlands. Yeah, you guys could mostly go back and I'm happy to provide contact information to that. Yeah, like that. Well, 00:15:44
yeah. And I was just asking because I think it is important to be aware of what else could potentially change on areas that the 00:15:51
city may have anticipated wouldn't be developed, that maybe are owned by other other folks that wouldn't necessarily proceed as 00:15:57
cautious as your organization is. 00:16:04
And may choose to develop on those. So I think that that was important. Also another thing I want to make sure that we're. 00:16:12
Aware of obviously things, things are just as of today, no one knows the future, but you know, in the change of administrations if 00:16:18
it was just an interpretation and a rule, I'm just curious if it could flip flop another way again. So, but it sounds like you've 00:16:23
you've worked with your environmental attorneys and they would certainly be the experts in this case. May I ask a couple of 00:16:29
comments? 00:16:35
Yes, first of all, I think it's really important that we, if it's possible, I don't actually know if it is, but that we establish 00:16:42
our own rules about this because Trump rolled back all kinds of environmental protections. And I understand there are a number of 00:16:47
people who support that. 00:16:52
But plenty of those. 00:16:58
You know, that's detrimental to the environment that we're living in and we need to make sure that we have. 00:17:00
Set standards so that these things don't happen if we don't want to. 00:17:05
I had no idea the water had been diverted. I mean, I guess that, you know, if that's the case, then whatever they've decided to do 00:17:10
here, they can proceed and doing but I think. 00:17:15
I think we should have had and then you did, maybe prior to me being here. 00:17:22
More discussions about that decision. That's a big decision. Maybe, maybe Morgan, that could be on a future agenda that we have. 00:17:26
Is it just just bigger picture what this looks like for the city and and other projects? And granted, sorry to table this 00:17:33
conversation for for a second, but I think that would probably be worthwhile for the Planning Commission and City Council to check 00:17:39
on. Yeah, just to look at, you know, what's the bigger impact. 00:17:45
You know, because you know if that's if that's the interpretation right now. 00:17:52
And people have their land rights, then we need to be able to anticipate what could potentially be done. And if there's things 00:17:57
that we want or don't want, then we can we can be on top of that. But sure. Yeah. I mean, I think with, with this one, what what 00:18:04
does help the city is that we want to make sure that wetlands are wetlands if we're going to if we're going to trade massage. But 00:18:11
it provides us, I mean, there's nothing that stops us from trading. 00:18:19
Our own wetlands and creating the Wetland Bank. Dawn has come up with some really amazing ideas about potentially establishing a 00:18:26
wetland bank in the city so that that would help from the ecological standpoint. 00:18:33
You know, just our own local environment or wildlife blessing. We provide us an opportunity to to, you know, establish the 00:18:40
whirling bank where people can, developers can buy into it. And so if you want, we can do like a workshop session study and maybe 00:18:46
even bring in someone, you know. Brendan O'Brien is working with some of some experts in the field. They're bringing a couple of 00:18:53
experts to talk generally about what we can do as a city with land that was. 00:19:00
That working wetlands. I know the wetlands next to Vineyard Grove Park. 00:19:07
We're in the process of doing a delineation study on those and our. 00:19:12
I guess our intent is not to put like houses or promotional development, but it allows us to utilize the, the, the open space how 00:19:19
it kind of in the most appropriate way that this the city wants to, instead of having to, to go through the, the Army Corps. And 00:19:25
so I think Amber brings us some good points. So it it, it puts more of the onus on the, on the city to to be better stories of our 00:19:31
open space. 00:19:38
But it allows us to utilize our our open space. 00:19:45
You know, if it's not actually deleted wetland that lets us to it allows us to use it as we see that. So, but yeah, definitely, 00:19:49
yeah, let's let's yeah, let's recommend that for a future work session. I think that'd be good. 00:19:56
OK, Brandon, thanks for being patient while it took a little tangent there. But yeah, let's let's jump into some of the actual 00:20:04
plan review. I don't know if staff wants to believe that. And then Brandon, sound like you had some some pictures of of vegetation 00:20:09
as well. 00:20:14
Yeah. So I have it so you can share the screen. Brandon, you want to just go ahead and you can you can jump on to share your 00:20:20
photos. And then if you, the commissioners would like to see the actual plans, we get the proposals as well. 00:20:26
Do you guys see that? 00:20:38
Yes. 00:20:40
If I pull up, I'll just pull up the agenda item. Can you still see my screen or is it stuck on the other one? 00:20:42
It's still showing the plants. 00:20:48
Let's see if I can re share this. I always get confused when it has to be which screen to share so. 00:20:50
Let's switch over there site plans now Yes, OK, perfect. So site plan I think the question that had come up last time is 00:21:00
essentially what do all of these little symbols mean and what. 00:21:06
What types of grasses will be planted in there? This is starting on this view right here basically is on the very East End of the 00:21:12
project up against Leisure Villas and we've got areas of improved saw, just your traditional Kentucky bluegrass just kind of 00:21:19
around the exterior and then as we go adjacent to some of our units. 00:21:26
You feel like maybe those individuals would be able to step out their back door and enjoy a little grass before. 00:21:35
And then that way they're not overtaken by some of the native grasses that could be back there, or at least they have a place to 00:21:41
enjoy it. So we've kind of. 00:21:45
Essentially blind this area with. 00:21:50
Your traditional grass. Then inside we've got immediate intermediate grasses, we've got short grasses, we've got some. 00:21:55
They call them. 00:22:06
I'm going to see if I can zoom in there. Yeah, Windbreaker. It's basically sack of tune, I think is the name of it. And then 00:22:07
they've got some wild rye. So we flipped the screen over to. 00:22:13
What those would look like? 00:22:20
There so. 00:22:30
Intermediate grasses, obviously the more you water them, the greener they are. And the picture on the right is it obviously 00:22:33
they're native, so they're just going to be based on a. 00:22:38
Weather essentially. So that's kind of what they would look like. 00:22:47
In a dry season, for example, so kind of more of the yellows that you see typically across all of Utah, the short grasses. This is 00:22:52
just kind of an example of one that we could find. It's kind of hard to find a picture of the exact one, but this is similar to 00:22:58
what it would look like to shorter. And then this is a picture of the wild rye. And these are the the sack of tombs that will be 00:23:04
planted. And I think those are pot based plants. So you just plant those one at a time and eventually they kind of flourish and 00:23:10
spread out so. 00:23:16
A pretty typical. 00:23:24
Umm, native plants that you'd see across Utah, so. 00:23:27
Kind of kind of like what? 00:23:32
What these just the combination of all those and what they would look like throughout this area so. 00:23:34
It's not here, but that actually is not a need as though if you guys. 00:23:41
Wanted to look into changing that out. I would support it if not. 00:23:48
I brought it up. 00:23:52
Yeah. And I don't know if I was gonna look and see if the plan specifically called it out as wheat grass or if they just called it 00:23:54
out as. 00:23:58
It just says intermediate grass mix so. 00:24:02
Yeah, that's the only one that was really. 00:24:06
Doctor Nader. 00:24:13
Truly but. 00:24:15
So maybe just take a note of that. 00:24:16
Thank you. That was the Snake River 1 you said, right? Yep. 00:24:19
And then Brandon, were you OK adding amber had comedy without adding if you want to get the maybe the terminology right that we 00:24:23
have we got the the flowering. 00:24:28
Determined to have a certain aesthetic. 00:24:36
And that's fine. 00:24:42
I would like to see things like, I mean, you and I, Morgan and Sullivan, we went to the wetlands and we went to the car away and 00:24:44
we saw, you know, the golden rod and the milkweed and. 00:24:49
The aster and all that stuff that grows naturally there, that was native and so I would like to see some of that there, but. 00:24:55
Maybe at a later time they don't want to do it here, we can consider doing it on the trail. 00:25:01
I don't think we're necessarily opposed to it. I'll most certainly get with my landscape architects, see what sort of flowering 00:25:08
plants and stuff that we could put in there that would that would thrive and do really well. So yeah, and they actually would. 00:25:13
Some of those things are biennials, but you know, if you do like the ideas or whatever and that would actually help fill it in 00:25:18
while the grass is growing, which might prevent some wind problems. 00:25:23
OK, Yeah, I don't, I don't see a problem with that. And Brandon, I'd just like to support what Amber's saying as far as flowering 00:25:29
natural growth because we we would really like all over the vineyard wherever we have the opportunity allow for places for 00:25:38
butterflies, bees and other, you know, insects like that to be able to find refuge and find places where they could. 00:25:47
You know, feed on their transitions and all those kinds of things. 00:25:57
I know in the early days of Vineyard there used to be places where monarchs were pretty plentiful and we don't see that very much 00:26:01
anymore. So any opportunity that we have. 00:26:08
Any open space or we have to hopefully create a habitat that would allow for that, I would certainly support. 00:26:15
I like that, yeah. I don't see a problem with that at all. 00:26:23
OK. Any additional discussion on the plants specifically and then we can look in to the actual plan on the locations of 00:26:30
everything? 00:26:34
And, and again, remind me, Brandon, is there going to be any kind of irrigation system or will it all be rainfall? 00:26:42
So we do obviously where we've got the traditional sod, yeah, we'll have irrigation there. And then we're going to be really 00:26:52
strategic on the placing of the native seeds. I know fall going into winter is your best time to do that. And so we're going to be 00:26:59
strategic on that or late winter going into spring, so that at least allows it to germinate. So we'll keep an eye on that. We 00:27:06
work, like I said, we work with Golden Landscape and we've talked to them extensively about this that. 00:27:14
If we plant this this coming fall as an example going into winter and if it's not looking like it's taking seed, then by all means 00:27:22
we want to get some temporary irrigation out there so that it at least it it. 00:27:28
Takes root and grows and does what we wanted to and in these areas that you'll be siding are you going to put anything underneath 00:27:35
the saw that is any other dirt or anything like that? I I know when we build our home we have the landscaper put additional soil 00:27:42
underneath the sod so. And, and it seems to really help the grass to grow. Yeah I think we've got called out either 4 inches or 6 00:27:49
inches of topsoil to be. 00:27:56
Facade. So yeah, we'll sure put it underneath those areas. I don't think an Amber, if I remember the last time actually when we 00:28:03
met in person. 00:28:07
Six months ago or whatever it was, don't think we wanted to do topsoil in the native areas. I think it was better to grow in the 00:28:12
native native. I mean, you might want to have it looked at just with compaction. But yeah, we weren't going to add topsoil. We're 00:28:20
going to have to disturb the area to get rid of all the phragmites that are in there. And I think, I think what our plan was, is 00:28:27
this next year to get rid of those and just keep filling those up to make sure that we get rid of all the phragmites and. 00:28:34
Whatever seeds there might be in the, in the soil that way. And then, and then hopefully by that we've at least scarified it and 00:28:42
and kind of churned that dirt up enough that we get all the bad seeds out and we can come in and plant good stuff. So can I ask 00:28:49
one more thing? I'm sorry to keep taking up time and plants. I just wanted to know the, the smaller sections of thought, how small 00:28:55
was the smallest width on some of those because it looks kind of small. 00:29:02
Yeah, some of these and it might be a little deceiving on some of these, but I know generally we don't like to any areas that are 00:29:09
smaller than 5 feet in width. I don't want to do any grass there just because. 00:29:14
Yeah, it's kind of a waste there. So that's probably the narrowest spot. I don't know if I'm showing the right screen here or not. 00:29:21
We're still on the on the plants, still on the pictures until it screen them on, but there. Can you see that? So yeah, this area 00:29:29
right here might be a little narrow, so I'll double check it. I know, I know. 00:29:37
It's kind of a waste for you guys, I mean. 00:29:45
So. 00:29:49
Yeah, I'll double check those, make sure we've got enough width in there at least. 00:29:52
Serve a purpose. 00:29:56
OK. Any additional discussions on the the plant? 00:30:02
Actual plants. 00:30:08
OK, Brandon, maybe maybe you can just continue taking us through, you know, locations of these and if there's any questions or 00:30:11
comments from the Commission, we can address those. I know you've got several other pages that were included in this site plan as 00:30:15
well. 00:30:20
Yep, I'll try to Scroll down here without losing it. It's just going through the agenda here. 00:30:26
So it's a little laggy, but this is now so 300 W, which is the road that was constructed recently. And and I do want to clarify 00:30:33
it. I wouldn't say we relocated the water by any means. It's still there's still the channel that runs down through there. We have 00:30:39
just underneath 300 W, So we didn't have all that water. If it does accumulate, obviously we didn't know what how dry this winter 00:30:45
would be, but. 00:30:51
We essentially just put that little drain line under there so that there was water. It doesn't dam up against 300 W so but anyway, 00:30:58
so this is now on the West side as you get closer to Utah Lake. 00:31:04
Similar mixes. You have some trees and. 00:31:11
Eventually, yeah, this will go in and tie in on the West side where we're doing all those Lakeshore improvements. So I. 00:31:17
There is a sidewalk. I think there is some discussion, Tim, I think you had brought it up what this sidewalk would look like. I 00:31:25
did get confirmation that we are filling this in, not totally so it's level, but at least we're leaving somewhat of a little bit 00:31:32
of a depression there. But it's not going to be substantial enough to put any sort of a bridge across there. The bridge that we're 00:31:39
putting in is actually down on the Lakeshore trail system that we're doing a little bit farther to the South of this, so. 00:31:47
I knew there was some discussion about a bridge, but I didn't know where that was. But it's not here, it's farther West. 00:31:55
So. 00:32:02
That's all I have from a site plan standpoint. I'm happy to answer any questions though. 00:32:04
So my question was then on the is on that path actually then? So if there's not the cross connection through. 00:32:09
You have It would remind me again what? What's on the other side of that? Is there going to be reason for people? 00:32:17
That need to walk across. 00:32:25
That landscape area to provide a pedestrian connection through it. 00:32:28
Yeah, so the sidewalk still stays. It's just not going to be a parade. This is not a bridge connection across. That's correct. 00:32:33
Yeah. I mean, they'll be able to cross down here as well and then up to 300 W There's still going to be crossings there. So we 00:32:39
just wanted to provide an intermediate one where we do have all of these. Can you see this maybe a little better? There's a bunch 00:32:45
of parking stalls on that side that potentially people park there and wanted to walk across. They're not having to go up to 300 or 00:32:50
down to 360 W and walk around. 00:32:56
Yeah, OK. 00:33:03
OK. So again, just to focus on this is just the phase 1G, so no actual buildings as part of this site plan. So are there any other 00:33:08
areas of the site plan that members of the Commission want to zoom in on and discuss? 00:33:17
I had a conversation with with sold and lover. 00:33:27
Public works. So yeah, he had brought up the. 00:33:32
The trees Our tree manual discourages London flames. 00:33:37
But that's, it's only a requirement on public property. So they are allowed to have the London planes. But I, you know, we from a 00:33:44
staff level, we, we would kind of encourage Brandon if he wants to have his designer look at the, the vendor tree manual and, and 00:33:51
maybe put kind of a more variety of different, different trees throughout the, you know, just throughout the, the open space area. 00:33:59
I think that, you know, staff would be, would be able to that I, I don't know. 00:34:06
Anything to kind of add to that? Remember you brought that up earlier. 00:34:14
We're just having trouble keeping ours alive. They're all dying. 00:34:18
They're susceptible to disease and it's actually growing right now because of their prevalence. 00:34:24
Are there are there things in here about tree watering? I think part of the problem we have is our trees are not watered through 00:34:30
drip lines right full of them. 00:34:34
That potentially could be a problem, but. 00:34:42
You know, we feel like they've been getting adequate water, right? Right. Is it through sprinklers? 00:34:45
Yeah, they're getting sprinkled. 00:34:53
Yeah. 00:34:56
Utah State University talks a lot about this sort of thing. That gardening program is that you do need drip lines for trees. They 00:34:58
just can't get enough for sprinklers. So that's not in there. It's something to. 00:35:03
And it would seem to me, too, that if our vineyard tree manuals. 00:35:10
Discourages or doesn't allow that species of tree. 00:35:16
That we would encourage private developers to use it, to use the same thinking, because there's a reason that we chose not to use 00:35:19
those trees. And so whether they're susceptible to disease or their roots go out and break out, break up sidewalks or whatever, it 00:35:26
just seems like it would be wise for the developers to follow the same thinking. 00:35:33
Yeah, I think you're right. It's definitely not something that they're required by toe to do property, but we definitely would 00:35:41
encourage Brandon. So I, I I don't think we need to condition that in this, but it's it Brandon could maybe want his designer to 00:35:48
the tree manual. You know, staff would be appreciative. Yeah, absolutely. 00:35:54
Thank you. 00:36:03
All right. 00:36:08
Just a quick, very general observation or comment. Brandon too, from the historical perspective of Vineyard. 00:36:11
We're always looking for open spaces in which someday in the future we could put sculptures, artifacts from the city, things like 00:36:19
that. And so I, I'm just hopeful that Edge would be open to those ideas, should we be able to find such items that could go into 00:36:26
any of these kinds of open areas. They wouldn't disturb the soil. They would just be placed on the surface of the ground 00:36:33
primarily. 00:36:39
We'd love to see a timed statue out there one day. 00:36:47
I'm not sure there's enough steel though. 00:36:51
That would be great. I don't see a problem with that at all. So just we don't know where, where, how any of that will happen, but 00:36:55
we're just looking for opportunities. 00:36:59
Great. 00:37:03
Any additional comments and questions? 00:37:08
So what I'd recommend is if you. 00:37:16
Make a motion to approve the site plan that that you do and if you have any conditions that you just state those in the record. 00:37:19
And so I I've got some language for for one and I can just read it to see if it kind of captures what what Amber. 00:37:28
Was thinking that it would be The applicant shall add flowering native plants and submitted updated landscape plan prior to 00:37:39
installation. 00:37:43
We can. You can not take that or you can add to it, but this is kind of something I jotted down as we've been discussing it. 00:37:50
Anyway, that's all I ask, but. 00:38:01
You know, if you want to. If you want them to do anything besides what they submitted, you would need to add a condition of 00:38:04
approval. 00:38:07
Got it. Thank you for that. 00:38:11
That one had to read in there. 00:38:13
What else from the Commission? Any any questions on this? 00:38:17
And I don't have any further questions. I'm just really pleased with the idea of native growing. So whatever that looks like, I I 00:38:22
just really support. 00:38:27
Brandon, a question for you. This is more on a on a, you know, larger project understanding, but. 00:38:36
You know, where you essentially have the green light. I actually biked down there today, this afternoon and saw that they already 00:38:43
poured in like curb and gutter on a lot of the 300 W there. What, what's the time frame like as far as opening that road and 00:38:51
putting in some of, well, I guess there's no building on this, but you know, putting in some of the, the landscaping. 00:38:59
Yeah. So this is kind of the last piece to the puzzle here. As soon as we've got this, if we get this approved this tonight. 00:39:07
300 W will open up and then the road that's along the Lakeshore right now, we've got the whole plan there that I think we've 00:39:17
already, I remember, I think we've already brought that. 00:39:21
Before you guys, but essentially we'll have the trail system that goes along there, the road will go away and then 300 W 00:39:28
ultimately becomes the main byway through there. So yeah, this is kind of the last piece of the puzzle. 00:39:34
Is that? 00:39:40
Weeks, months. What's the road diversion plan? So, yeah, so we actually just barely got, I think this week our approval from state 00:39:43
lands to start approving the improvements along the Lakeshore. I've had conversations with our VP of Land development to start 00:39:50
getting contractors lined up for that. So you'll start seeing some, some movement going on down there on the Lake Shore as we 00:39:56
coordinate with them. 00:40:03
On building those trails and and you know, getting ready for landscape, but I don't, you know, obviously the optimal time to plant 00:40:10
those is end of fall. So I don't really see us. 00:40:15
Landscaping too much right now until. 00:40:20
The last thing we want to do is put all this down and then have another dry season like we did this year and nothing gross. So how 00:40:24
long, sorry? How long do you anticipate that they'll be? 00:40:28
Working on removing vegetation. 00:40:34
That's a good question. I don't know for sure. It will probably take us a good chunk into the summer just because of how, I mean, 00:40:38
I think we've got about 3000 feet of frontage there. So there's quite a bit extensive amount of work that's going to be done. And 00:40:45
then we've got the trail system that we need to connect into the that's what's the name of the park sunset. 00:40:52
Each part, yes, yeah, we've got to connect the trail system there. So we've got quite a bit of work to do, but. 00:41:00
It'll take us six months or so. 00:41:08
Because it seems like some of that can take years. Hopefully not for you guys, but it is a horrible job. 00:41:10
Yeah, we've got a few. I mean, obviously we want to make sure we get rid of invasive species. And I think that's probably what our 00:41:17
biggest concern is right now is to make sure that we allow enough time for those to to get those out of the way to see if they 00:41:23
come back and and then keep working those. So hopefully. 00:41:28
Hopefully it doesn't take us that long, but. 00:41:34
Never know. 00:41:37
All right. Any other questions? 00:41:42
So I just have a question on the motion where we were talking before about the plants or the trees. 00:41:46
Morgan, I think you were saying, right? It's not. It's not code. 00:41:54
In the conditions of our emotionally allowed to, you know, push for some of that devising the the tree species. Yeah, you you can 00:41:59
do that even just in this discussion. I mean, Brandon and his team have been really responsive. So I think I think they they purge 00:42:06
you. But if you want the more solidify that in your motion that that that that's fine as well. But as far as the trees go, just my 00:42:14
my only point was it's it's just not a it's not something that is. 00:42:21
Wired in the code, but it is encouraged under the tree manual, so you know anyway, Brandon said. He'll still send that over to the 00:42:29
designer, but you can still put it in the motion. But they're not required by law to do it if they they push back, just to clarify 00:42:35
that. 00:42:40
Yeah, thanks for the clarification. 00:42:47
OK, good questions. 00:42:54
If there are no additional questions, are any members of the Commission ready and willing to put forward a motion? 00:42:57
I'll put forward the motion. 00:43:13
Someone else has something else they want to. 00:43:18
Bring up. 00:43:21
OK. And just specifically Jeff putting forward a motion with with? 00:43:23
Yeah, we approve it with the with the condition of also introducing some of the flowering data plant species that we talked about. 00:43:30
If I could enhance you have them submit an updated landscape plan prior to installation. OK. Yeah, great. Thank you. OK, so Jeff 00:43:41
with that motion as read by Morgan as well, do I have any counter motions or a second to that second? All right, Amber, with the 00:43:50
second and all in favor, aye. If you could, I apologize if you could do a roll call because it is. 00:43:58
OK. I appreciate it. 00:44:08
Anthony, Hi, Amber. Hi, Jeff, I, Tim and Jessica. 00:44:09
All right. 00:44:18
OK. Well, thank you Brandon for that. And I know we'll we'll be chatting more with you in the future as this development continues 00:44:20
to go in. But we appreciate you working with us. Thank you guys, appreciate all you do. 00:44:26
Yep, thank you. 00:44:32
All right. 00:44:36
Going back to the agenda now, that wraps up all of our business items and there's no items on the work session. So we'll now move 00:44:38
on to Commission member reports. So we can just go down the list here. Jessica, did you have anything to share? 00:44:45
Nothing that I guess I didn't share a lot. 00:44:54
Last session, so OK. 00:44:57
Thank you. 00:44:59
Tim, anything from you? Nothing new. Thank you. All right, Jeff. 00:45:00
Nothing for me, Amber. 00:45:05
Yes, I have to Salon and Morgan. I'm working with the chair of the Utah Need to Plant Society to do a webinar about usernames and 00:45:08
getting rid of the invasives and things like that. And I've been waiting and waiting but the guy said after mid February. So I 00:45:17
tried to be a webinar. I don't know Morgan or anyone invited. I don't know if we can work that out, but that should help us. 00:45:26
Kind of figure out more about how to deal with these situations that we're in right now. Make sure that people are appropriately 00:45:35
preparing areas and that. 00:45:39
You know, fold in and Chris and everybody have the information they need to reduce their maintenance. 00:45:44
Great. Thank you, Amber. Thanks for bringing your expertise here and connecting us with the other experts as well. That's that's 00:45:53
helpful. And as we continue to revisit general plans and things like that, if you've ever got sort of like with with biking, for 00:46:00
example, I know that there are certain standards and there's governing bodies that will award we, we were just recently awarded a 00:46:07
bronze level for the city. If there's equivalent things like that for whether it's, you know, tree city designations or. 00:46:14
Water users, those types of things bring those to our attention because I think those would be valuable to have as benchmarks in 00:46:22
a, in a general plan, if that makes sense. Yeah, and congratulations on your bronze. 00:46:27
Whatever it is, congratulations to all of us. Congratulations. 00:46:34
All right, kind of on the Viking note, unsurprisingly, we on the bike committee, bike and pedestrian committee, we had a 00:46:41
conceptual plan shared with us about what could be used potentially in some of the open space in the city. And some of them are 00:46:47
just kind of very. 00:46:54
Basic dirt trails that could be done for little pump tracks and things like that for families to go ride bikes or all the way up 00:47:01
to things that are, you know, cement and asphalt structures that, you know, scooters could ride on. So and everything in between. 00:47:07
But you'll, you'll see more of that coming along from the the bike committee. If if it goes that route, then obviously 00:47:13
everything's a pipe dream until it's funded. So you know, there would need to be that aspect of it as well. But there are a lot 00:47:19
of. 00:47:25
Grants that could help with some of that as well. 00:47:31
I think Tay is on as well. Tay, did you have anything? 00:47:36
No, not right now, OK. 00:47:44
Thank you. 00:47:46
All right, we will see. Well, actually staff other needs staff reports. Yeah, I could be really quick. So please. Yeah. So our our 00:47:49
text amendment for the Rd. parking, we're going to gear that up for next week or for next meeting. So we weren't able to to make 00:47:55
it to this meeting, it seems like. 00:48:01
Some of the citizens from the name from Sleepy Ridge have indicated that that meeting actually works better for them too. So I 00:48:09
think while a pretty good dialogue. 00:48:13
So what we'll bring some options for us to discuss and then I would just have the Planning Commission make their, their, their 00:48:19
recommendation of what they put the City Council. In addition to that, this this will be the big meeting about the general plans. 00:48:25
So Brian will have a, a staff report that really is more of a general plan diagnostic. So it's going to be his analysis of the 00:48:31
general plan. 00:48:37
Like the areas that need to be changed and also. 00:48:45
In kind of a consolidation of your comments where we are with all of our goals and that kind of action statements in the general 00:48:49
plan. So if you have not filled out the sheet, I know it's a pain in the **** because it's like 200 items, but it's really 00:48:55
important and as a Planning Commission that this is kind of one of our our core duties as a general client. So if you could please 00:49:01
at least try to get through as much as you can and send your comments over to Brian, he's getting that. 00:49:07
He'll he'll make sure that's important, put it into his staff report. 00:49:14
And we'd love to have your feedback. But yeah, so I would plan for a couple hours that the meeting will go a little bit longer 00:49:18
next time, that it will be a good discussion and kick off the, the general plan and, and to get the, the text amendment 00:49:24
recommended and pushed to the council. 00:49:30
That's it for me. 00:49:37
Great. Thanks, Morgan. Brian, Don Sullivan, any updates from you? 00:49:38
Nope. 00:49:46
Just second, Amber, if you would like to, could you include Preston on your e-mail when you arrange that class or the seminar and 00:49:48
stuff? And then just so that you guys are aware, the city has submitted for a Tree City USA application. So hopefully we'll be 00:49:54
hearing about that in the very near future. 00:50:01
Sounds good. That's awesome. Then we get those signs and get up. 00:50:11
Yeah, it's got to get developers to take the the bags off of the roots, right And plant them at the proper. 00:50:15
That's the first step. 00:50:24
Perfect. Thanks a lot. And Brian, you were saying something. Oh, no, no, just seconding Morgan on the general plan stuff that 00:50:25
that's it for me. 00:50:29
Right. So if you haven't done so that's your that's your homework between now and next meeting is to fill that out and get back to 00:50:33
Brian. But yeah, I think that's it. So can I get a a motion to adjourn? A motion to adjourn. OK, Thanks, Amber. Do I have a 00:50:42
second? I'll second. All right. And we'll also do a roll call. Anthony. Hi, Jessica. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Tim. 00:50:50
Hi, Amber. Hi. All right, Thanks, everybody. Thank you, Anthony, for stepping in. 00:50:59
Thanks. 00:51:07
Wasn't it Jessica? 00:51:17
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Symptoms weren't very serious then. No, I'm not. Nothing really. My wife is pregnant. She got really bad. Oh, I'm sorry. So yeah. 00:00:00
Yeah, but anyway. But she got over it. Morgan. Pardon me. Morgan, are you recording the Zoom video? Zoom call. 00:00:09
Yep, Yep. I'm gonna hit record right now. So we're recording. OK, great. Yeah. 00:00:18
Say about the bad things we were talking about. That's right, we're talking about it. 00:00:24
All right, morning. You want me to get us started? Yeah, absolutely. So just to kind of turn the reins over to Anthony, I talked 00:00:34
to Bryce. Bryce, who is the chair and Shannon Vice Chair, both were unable to make it. Our bylaws under the Planning Commission 00:00:41
say in that case that the chair will call a what's called a Chair Pro 10. 00:00:48
That basically means the sheriff was one meeting and so he's asked Anthony to do it and he accepted. So to return the time over to 00:00:56
Anthony. 00:01:00
All right, Thanks Morgan. We'll just do a quick roll call here. Just so we know who the voting members will be today. Myself, 00:01:04
Anthony will be on Jeff and Tim, then I see Amber and Jessica as well. So if if all of you are able to turn on your your mics and 00:01:14
cameras, we'll have that be the five voting members today. Did I miss anyone else that's going to be sitting on? 00:01:24
An alternate. 00:01:34
It looks like you got everyone. 00:01:36
Great. Well then we will call this meeting to order. It's 6:01 PM and this is a regular meeting of the Vineyard Planning 00:01:38
Commission on Wednesday, January 20th at and we will start by reading this written determination. 00:01:47
And I'll just read this verbatim again about the virtual meetings. 00:01:57
This meeting will be an electronic meeting according to Vineyard Municipal Code Section 3.08 point 030I. Anthony Jenkins, member 00:02:04
of the Planning Commission Chair Pro Tem do hereby find and declare as follows. Due to the emergency conditions which exist in the 00:02:11
State of Utah, specifically in Utah County and Vineyard City as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and the recent surge in COVID-19 00:02:19
infections across the state and in Utah County, the holding of public. 00:02:26
With an anchor location, as defined by the Utah Open and Public Meetings Act, presents a substantial risk to the health and safety 00:02:33
of those who may be present at the anchor location. And the risk to those who may be present at an anchor location can be 00:02:39
substantially mitigated by holding public meetings of the Planning Commission pursuant to electronic means that allow for public 00:02:45
participation via virtual means. And the City has the means and ability to allow virtual participation in the public meetings in 00:02:51
accordance with Utah Open. 00:02:57
Public MEETINGS ACT now. Therefore, based upon the foregoing, for 30 days from this date, from the date of this order, meetings of 00:03:03
the Vineyard Planning Commission shall be conducted by virtual means without an anchor location. 00:03:10
All right, um. 00:03:18
We'll just jump right into this. I did not ask anyone ahead of time to leave us in the Pledge of Allegiance or offer an 00:03:21
invocation. 00:03:25
But on a important day for a country with an inauguration, would anyone be willing to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? 00:03:30
Yeah, I can, Anthony. OK, great. 00:03:45
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:03:50
Of the United States of America into the one nation. 00:03:53
Liberty and justice overall. 00:04:02
All right, that's kind of hard to be in unison. 00:04:06
But I have my hand over my heart. We'll forego the national anthem because I don't know if that would go very well with us singing 00:04:13
together. 00:04:17
We'll jump right in now. 00:04:22
To the open session. So this is an opportunity for any members of the public to express any comments that they have for items that 00:04:24
are not listed on the agenda. The only agenda item today is the Lakefront Town Center. So if you have something to discuss other 00:04:31
than that, now is the time to do so and we'll look for raised hands in Zoom. 00:04:37
OK, not seeing any. 00:04:48
Morgan, do you see any? 00:04:50
I do not know. OK, all right. Then we will move along and and jump right into minutes for review and approval. These include from 00:04:54
September 16th, November 4th and December 2nd and they were attached for everyone's opportunity to review. Do I have a motion or 00:05:00
any discussion that needs to take place for the minutes? 00:05:07
I did review them and since I was president altruism, they looked accurate to me. 00:05:15
OK. Any further discussion on those or are we OK for a motion? 00:05:26
I do make a motion then that we approve and then it's so identified in the agenda. I don't remember the dates that we approve them 00:05:33
as they were written and presented. All right. Thanks, Tim with the motion. Do I have a second? 00:05:40
Second. All right. All in favor, aye. 00:05:50
OK, great. So those are approved. We'll now move on to Section 5.1 Lakefront at Town Center Phase 1G. And this is an opportunity 00:05:54
to consider approval of a site plan for the open space and delineated wetland area, formerly delineated wetland area, I suppose. 00:06:01
So we'll turn it over to staff and the applicant. 00:06:08
Thanks, Commissioner Jenkins, appreciate that. Yeah, so last time as, as as was mentioned. 00:06:18
This site plan and landscape plan was brought forward by Brandon who works with Edge Homes who was on the call with us and. 00:06:25
Basically, yeah, we learned that this area had been cleared by the Army Corps of Engineers as as not wetlands. Initially they were 00:06:34
going to develop 22 units on there, but to prevent flooding, liability issues and things like that, they decided to. 00:06:45
Keep it as open space, but they want to enhance it with some natural vegetations in there, some native plants and and also have it 00:06:56
be a feature that's going to provide some environmental and social benefits for the community. But no action was taken on it last 00:07:05
week. So there was there was no approval because a few Commission members suggested or they wanted to have. 00:07:14
Commissioner Amber Essenston. 00:07:23
Look over the plans and provide some comments based on her expertise as a Master Gardener. 00:07:25
And so she's now had the chance to do that. And so we, we're going to have the, the pleasure of listening to her comments and, and 00:07:30
getting some feedback from her. And, and then afterwards we'll, we'll proceed with, with, with, with some sort of action from the 00:07:36
Commission. 00:07:42
But I'll just add Brian Brandon with the with the with the applicant. There's also also after Amber speaks, we should get Brandon 00:07:49
opportunity to to address the Commission, OK. 00:07:56
Excellent, wonderful. 00:08:03
OK, so I will forward the time to Commissioner Rasmussen for for her comments. 00:08:04
All right. Well, I hope it's as pleasant as you're expecting it to be. 00:08:11
I have reviewed I must admit I outsource a lot of my knowledge and stuff from Utah need to plant society as I always say so. 00:08:17
I have some backup help. I am only a master director. 00:08:26
So I think we need to know and I don't know, it wasn't clear to me at least on the plan. I want to make sure that the wetlands 00:08:31
that aren't going to be wetlands anymore aren't still areas with substantial moisture because that's not going to do well. That's 00:08:37
not going to match well with the bunch grasses. 00:08:44
That they picked. So if they can clarify what the soil types are like in each of those areas and the moisture levels, that could 00:08:52
help. 00:08:56
And also I would like to see Forbes flowering plants in there. I mean, that's a great opportunity to have. And we have a number of 00:09:01
people in the city who want to do them on our police station where you're providing habitat for monarch, something like that. I'm 00:09:08
not that would be perfect spot to do it. So we can add milk, meat and things like that in there. But it really is important. 00:09:16
For staff that's going to be maintaining these areas that they have appropriate plans as we know. And so I just want to make sure 00:09:26
that we're really evaluating the soil types and things like that before we mix protections. That's so important. 00:09:32
I don't know if you have anything to say about right and just to add really quick, this will be so Amber, thanks for all your time 00:09:41
on this we. 00:09:46
This is kind of an extension of the first area that you use, but this will be part of their HOA, so they'll actually own this and 00:09:52
so they'll they'll be the ones. 00:09:56
Yeah, please. Amber, did you have anything else that you needed to touch on there? 00:10:07
OK. All right. Yeah, Brandon, feel free to respond to that or share any additional thoughts that you have here. Yeah. So thank you 00:10:15
everybody for your time and I feel honored I'm the only agenda item tonight. So this is. 00:10:20
Cool. So anyway, but so yeah, just kind of a real brief background as Brian had said, basically we originally had this whole area 00:10:26
of master planned out as as units. And then just due to the amount of water that was there on site, we kind of did some further 00:10:35
investigation of it, discovered that we really don't want to risk ourselves by putting any sort of. 00:10:44
Structure over top any of these wetland areas and so I I still refer to them as wetlands. 00:10:53
Whether or not technically but the ground still is wet. So as part of our plans is what we've done kind of put an under drain 00:11:00
system through there at least if there is water that would still pop up during wet season and that's really going to come and 00:11:07
notice because in the springtime. 00:11:14
You know, at least we've created a channel of some sort for the water to be able to. 00:11:23
Basically not so. 00:11:30
You've already done that. Say that again. You've already done that Well, so we've built 300 W, which is that main road that cuts 00:11:32
through the middle of it. 00:11:36
Drain system underneath that railroad. And so anyway, so then we have the ability to build these wetlands in and put in whatever 00:11:42
type of material that we want so that the native education does grow there if you go out there today. 00:11:50
Brag my teeth. And So what we need to do, obviously we've got to get rid of all of those that, as you know, they're very invasive. 00:12:02
So we've got to get rid of those first. We've consulted with our landscape. 00:12:06
Golden Landscape, actually, he did this Laker Ridge Golf Course. He's very, very familiar with this type of vegetation and what 00:12:13
needs to be done in order to get rid of those invasive weeds. So you consulted with him and have a plan in place and then. 00:12:19
Yeah. Then we intend to obviously plant the vegetation as shown on our plants. 00:12:27
Right now. So I think we've got a good plan in place and and feel comfortable about it. And again, we wanted like Morgan had 00:12:32
mentioned, we want to try to make this continuous with what we're doing along the Lakeshore improvements. And so we're doing very 00:12:38
similar and consistent type of planting through here as it ties into the Lake Shore stuff. So I hope that may be answered a few of 00:12:44
your questions, Amber. 00:12:50
And yeah, I'm happy to. I do have pictures of some of these grasses and stuff will look like, I think Tim had asked us last time. 00:12:58
Perhaps what some of those look like. And so I was able to pull pictures of those if you guys wanted to see it. Yeah, I think what 00:13:07
we can do is we can. 00:13:12
His staff wants to share some of the documents or even Brandon, if you want to share some of the pictures, we can jump into that 00:13:18
and, and talk through some of these and, and ask some questions. Before we do that though, I do have a quick question, probably 00:13:25
more for staff than for Brandon. So just educate me for a minute there. There was a. 00:13:31
Federal regulations that were changed recently that allowed for these, is that correct? 00:13:38
A lot. A lot for the designation change. 00:13:46
Because I'm curious what else is more a general question, What else was impacted potentially within the city of Vineyard by that, 00:13:50
by any rule changes? Brandon may actually be the better person to talk because he's kind of in the thick of it, OK. 00:13:57
Yeah. So we we consulted with Bowen Collins as our environmental engineer to just figure out what what we can or can't do around 00:14:07
these ideas. 00:14:11
And they brought to our attention and actually our our legal attorney, which was they had a. 00:14:15
They basically there was a Trump ruling that had come out that I guess kind of overwrote some of the automatic assumptions that 00:14:26
FEMA was making, that just because of our proximity to Utah Lake, we were automatically classified as wetlands. And they basically 00:14:34
made the assumption that there was some sort of an underground connection between Utah Lake and this wetland area. 00:14:42
And that was just strictly based on your geographic location to it, so. 00:14:51
Once this federal ruling had come out and basically said he can't just assume that unless you have absolute proof of it, FEMA went 00:14:57
and did a few, well, sorry Bowen, Bowen Collins did some extensive studies on it and submitted their report to to the acute state 00:15:05
FEMA, sorry Army Corps of Engineers and they were able to take a look at it, consult with their Sacramento office. 00:15:13
And ultimately they came back and just said, well, it's not considered waters of the United States and so. 00:15:21
Therefore, it's not jurisdictional weapons. So OK other areas because if there's other areas within the city that again it's just 00:15:27
based on. 00:15:32
Umm geographic location to Utah lake that were automatically. 00:15:39
Called wetlands. Yeah, you guys could mostly go back and I'm happy to provide contact information to that. Yeah, like that. Well, 00:15:44
yeah. And I was just asking because I think it is important to be aware of what else could potentially change on areas that the 00:15:51
city may have anticipated wouldn't be developed, that maybe are owned by other other folks that wouldn't necessarily proceed as 00:15:57
cautious as your organization is. 00:16:04
And may choose to develop on those. So I think that that was important. Also another thing I want to make sure that we're. 00:16:12
Aware of obviously things, things are just as of today, no one knows the future, but you know, in the change of administrations if 00:16:18
it was just an interpretation and a rule, I'm just curious if it could flip flop another way again. So, but it sounds like you've 00:16:23
you've worked with your environmental attorneys and they would certainly be the experts in this case. May I ask a couple of 00:16:29
comments? 00:16:35
Yes, first of all, I think it's really important that we, if it's possible, I don't actually know if it is, but that we establish 00:16:42
our own rules about this because Trump rolled back all kinds of environmental protections. And I understand there are a number of 00:16:47
people who support that. 00:16:52
But plenty of those. 00:16:58
You know, that's detrimental to the environment that we're living in and we need to make sure that we have. 00:17:00
Set standards so that these things don't happen if we don't want to. 00:17:05
I had no idea the water had been diverted. I mean, I guess that, you know, if that's the case, then whatever they've decided to do 00:17:10
here, they can proceed and doing but I think. 00:17:15
I think we should have had and then you did, maybe prior to me being here. 00:17:22
More discussions about that decision. That's a big decision. Maybe, maybe Morgan, that could be on a future agenda that we have. 00:17:26
Is it just just bigger picture what this looks like for the city and and other projects? And granted, sorry to table this 00:17:33
conversation for for a second, but I think that would probably be worthwhile for the Planning Commission and City Council to check 00:17:39
on. Yeah, just to look at, you know, what's the bigger impact. 00:17:45
You know, because you know if that's if that's the interpretation right now. 00:17:52
And people have their land rights, then we need to be able to anticipate what could potentially be done. And if there's things 00:17:57
that we want or don't want, then we can we can be on top of that. But sure. Yeah. I mean, I think with, with this one, what what 00:18:04
does help the city is that we want to make sure that wetlands are wetlands if we're going to if we're going to trade massage. But 00:18:11
it provides us, I mean, there's nothing that stops us from trading. 00:18:19
Our own wetlands and creating the Wetland Bank. Dawn has come up with some really amazing ideas about potentially establishing a 00:18:26
wetland bank in the city so that that would help from the ecological standpoint. 00:18:33
You know, just our own local environment or wildlife blessing. We provide us an opportunity to to, you know, establish the 00:18:40
whirling bank where people can, developers can buy into it. And so if you want, we can do like a workshop session study and maybe 00:18:46
even bring in someone, you know. Brendan O'Brien is working with some of some experts in the field. They're bringing a couple of 00:18:53
experts to talk generally about what we can do as a city with land that was. 00:19:00
That working wetlands. I know the wetlands next to Vineyard Grove Park. 00:19:07
We're in the process of doing a delineation study on those and our. 00:19:12
I guess our intent is not to put like houses or promotional development, but it allows us to utilize the, the, the open space how 00:19:19
it kind of in the most appropriate way that this the city wants to, instead of having to, to go through the, the Army Corps. And 00:19:25
so I think Amber brings us some good points. So it it, it puts more of the onus on the, on the city to to be better stories of our 00:19:31
open space. 00:19:38
But it allows us to utilize our our open space. 00:19:45
You know, if it's not actually deleted wetland that lets us to it allows us to use it as we see that. So, but yeah, definitely, 00:19:49
yeah, let's let's yeah, let's recommend that for a future work session. I think that'd be good. 00:19:56
OK, Brandon, thanks for being patient while it took a little tangent there. But yeah, let's let's jump into some of the actual 00:20:04
plan review. I don't know if staff wants to believe that. And then Brandon, sound like you had some some pictures of of vegetation 00:20:09
as well. 00:20:14
Yeah. So I have it so you can share the screen. Brandon, you want to just go ahead and you can you can jump on to share your 00:20:20
photos. And then if you, the commissioners would like to see the actual plans, we get the proposals as well. 00:20:26
Do you guys see that? 00:20:38
Yes. 00:20:40
If I pull up, I'll just pull up the agenda item. Can you still see my screen or is it stuck on the other one? 00:20:42
It's still showing the plants. 00:20:48
Let's see if I can re share this. I always get confused when it has to be which screen to share so. 00:20:50
Let's switch over there site plans now Yes, OK, perfect. So site plan I think the question that had come up last time is 00:21:00
essentially what do all of these little symbols mean and what. 00:21:06
What types of grasses will be planted in there? This is starting on this view right here basically is on the very East End of the 00:21:12
project up against Leisure Villas and we've got areas of improved saw, just your traditional Kentucky bluegrass just kind of 00:21:19
around the exterior and then as we go adjacent to some of our units. 00:21:26
You feel like maybe those individuals would be able to step out their back door and enjoy a little grass before. 00:21:35
And then that way they're not overtaken by some of the native grasses that could be back there, or at least they have a place to 00:21:41
enjoy it. So we've kind of. 00:21:45
Essentially blind this area with. 00:21:50
Your traditional grass. Then inside we've got immediate intermediate grasses, we've got short grasses, we've got some. 00:21:55
They call them. 00:22:06
I'm going to see if I can zoom in there. Yeah, Windbreaker. It's basically sack of tune, I think is the name of it. And then 00:22:07
they've got some wild rye. So we flipped the screen over to. 00:22:13
What those would look like? 00:22:20
There so. 00:22:30
Intermediate grasses, obviously the more you water them, the greener they are. And the picture on the right is it obviously 00:22:33
they're native, so they're just going to be based on a. 00:22:38
Weather essentially. So that's kind of what they would look like. 00:22:47
In a dry season, for example, so kind of more of the yellows that you see typically across all of Utah, the short grasses. This is 00:22:52
just kind of an example of one that we could find. It's kind of hard to find a picture of the exact one, but this is similar to 00:22:58
what it would look like to shorter. And then this is a picture of the wild rye. And these are the the sack of tombs that will be 00:23:04
planted. And I think those are pot based plants. So you just plant those one at a time and eventually they kind of flourish and 00:23:10
spread out so. 00:23:16
A pretty typical. 00:23:24
Umm, native plants that you'd see across Utah, so. 00:23:27
Kind of kind of like what? 00:23:32
What these just the combination of all those and what they would look like throughout this area so. 00:23:34
It's not here, but that actually is not a need as though if you guys. 00:23:41
Wanted to look into changing that out. I would support it if not. 00:23:48
I brought it up. 00:23:52
Yeah. And I don't know if I was gonna look and see if the plan specifically called it out as wheat grass or if they just called it 00:23:54
out as. 00:23:58
It just says intermediate grass mix so. 00:24:02
Yeah, that's the only one that was really. 00:24:06
Doctor Nader. 00:24:13
Truly but. 00:24:15
So maybe just take a note of that. 00:24:16
Thank you. That was the Snake River 1 you said, right? Yep. 00:24:19
And then Brandon, were you OK adding amber had comedy without adding if you want to get the maybe the terminology right that we 00:24:23
have we got the the flowering. 00:24:28
Determined to have a certain aesthetic. 00:24:36
And that's fine. 00:24:42
I would like to see things like, I mean, you and I, Morgan and Sullivan, we went to the wetlands and we went to the car away and 00:24:44
we saw, you know, the golden rod and the milkweed and. 00:24:49
The aster and all that stuff that grows naturally there, that was native and so I would like to see some of that there, but. 00:24:55
Maybe at a later time they don't want to do it here, we can consider doing it on the trail. 00:25:01
I don't think we're necessarily opposed to it. I'll most certainly get with my landscape architects, see what sort of flowering 00:25:08
plants and stuff that we could put in there that would that would thrive and do really well. So yeah, and they actually would. 00:25:13
Some of those things are biennials, but you know, if you do like the ideas or whatever and that would actually help fill it in 00:25:18
while the grass is growing, which might prevent some wind problems. 00:25:23
OK, Yeah, I don't, I don't see a problem with that. And Brandon, I'd just like to support what Amber's saying as far as flowering 00:25:29
natural growth because we we would really like all over the vineyard wherever we have the opportunity allow for places for 00:25:38
butterflies, bees and other, you know, insects like that to be able to find refuge and find places where they could. 00:25:47
You know, feed on their transitions and all those kinds of things. 00:25:57
I know in the early days of Vineyard there used to be places where monarchs were pretty plentiful and we don't see that very much 00:26:01
anymore. So any opportunity that we have. 00:26:08
Any open space or we have to hopefully create a habitat that would allow for that, I would certainly support. 00:26:15
I like that, yeah. I don't see a problem with that at all. 00:26:23
OK. Any additional discussion on the plants specifically and then we can look in to the actual plan on the locations of 00:26:30
everything? 00:26:34
And, and again, remind me, Brandon, is there going to be any kind of irrigation system or will it all be rainfall? 00:26:42
So we do obviously where we've got the traditional sod, yeah, we'll have irrigation there. And then we're going to be really 00:26:52
strategic on the placing of the native seeds. I know fall going into winter is your best time to do that. And so we're going to be 00:26:59
strategic on that or late winter going into spring, so that at least allows it to germinate. So we'll keep an eye on that. We 00:27:06
work, like I said, we work with Golden Landscape and we've talked to them extensively about this that. 00:27:14
If we plant this this coming fall as an example going into winter and if it's not looking like it's taking seed, then by all means 00:27:22
we want to get some temporary irrigation out there so that it at least it it. 00:27:28
Takes root and grows and does what we wanted to and in these areas that you'll be siding are you going to put anything underneath 00:27:35
the saw that is any other dirt or anything like that? I I know when we build our home we have the landscaper put additional soil 00:27:42
underneath the sod so. And, and it seems to really help the grass to grow. Yeah I think we've got called out either 4 inches or 6 00:27:49
inches of topsoil to be. 00:27:56
Facade. So yeah, we'll sure put it underneath those areas. I don't think an Amber, if I remember the last time actually when we 00:28:03
met in person. 00:28:07
Six months ago or whatever it was, don't think we wanted to do topsoil in the native areas. I think it was better to grow in the 00:28:12
native native. I mean, you might want to have it looked at just with compaction. But yeah, we weren't going to add topsoil. We're 00:28:20
going to have to disturb the area to get rid of all the phragmites that are in there. And I think, I think what our plan was, is 00:28:27
this next year to get rid of those and just keep filling those up to make sure that we get rid of all the phragmites and. 00:28:34
Whatever seeds there might be in the, in the soil that way. And then, and then hopefully by that we've at least scarified it and 00:28:42
and kind of churned that dirt up enough that we get all the bad seeds out and we can come in and plant good stuff. So can I ask 00:28:49
one more thing? I'm sorry to keep taking up time and plants. I just wanted to know the, the smaller sections of thought, how small 00:28:55
was the smallest width on some of those because it looks kind of small. 00:29:02
Yeah, some of these and it might be a little deceiving on some of these, but I know generally we don't like to any areas that are 00:29:09
smaller than 5 feet in width. I don't want to do any grass there just because. 00:29:14
Yeah, it's kind of a waste there. So that's probably the narrowest spot. I don't know if I'm showing the right screen here or not. 00:29:21
We're still on the on the plants, still on the pictures until it screen them on, but there. Can you see that? So yeah, this area 00:29:29
right here might be a little narrow, so I'll double check it. I know, I know. 00:29:37
It's kind of a waste for you guys, I mean. 00:29:45
So. 00:29:49
Yeah, I'll double check those, make sure we've got enough width in there at least. 00:29:52
Serve a purpose. 00:29:56
OK. Any additional discussions on the the plant? 00:30:02
Actual plants. 00:30:08
OK, Brandon, maybe maybe you can just continue taking us through, you know, locations of these and if there's any questions or 00:30:11
comments from the Commission, we can address those. I know you've got several other pages that were included in this site plan as 00:30:15
well. 00:30:20
Yep, I'll try to Scroll down here without losing it. It's just going through the agenda here. 00:30:26
So it's a little laggy, but this is now so 300 W, which is the road that was constructed recently. And and I do want to clarify 00:30:33
it. I wouldn't say we relocated the water by any means. It's still there's still the channel that runs down through there. We have 00:30:39
just underneath 300 W, So we didn't have all that water. If it does accumulate, obviously we didn't know what how dry this winter 00:30:45
would be, but. 00:30:51
We essentially just put that little drain line under there so that there was water. It doesn't dam up against 300 W so but anyway, 00:30:58
so this is now on the West side as you get closer to Utah Lake. 00:31:04
Similar mixes. You have some trees and. 00:31:11
Eventually, yeah, this will go in and tie in on the West side where we're doing all those Lakeshore improvements. So I. 00:31:17
There is a sidewalk. I think there is some discussion, Tim, I think you had brought it up what this sidewalk would look like. I 00:31:25
did get confirmation that we are filling this in, not totally so it's level, but at least we're leaving somewhat of a little bit 00:31:32
of a depression there. But it's not going to be substantial enough to put any sort of a bridge across there. The bridge that we're 00:31:39
putting in is actually down on the Lakeshore trail system that we're doing a little bit farther to the South of this, so. 00:31:47
I knew there was some discussion about a bridge, but I didn't know where that was. But it's not here, it's farther West. 00:31:55
So. 00:32:02
That's all I have from a site plan standpoint. I'm happy to answer any questions though. 00:32:04
So my question was then on the is on that path actually then? So if there's not the cross connection through. 00:32:09
You have It would remind me again what? What's on the other side of that? Is there going to be reason for people? 00:32:17
That need to walk across. 00:32:25
That landscape area to provide a pedestrian connection through it. 00:32:28
Yeah, so the sidewalk still stays. It's just not going to be a parade. This is not a bridge connection across. That's correct. 00:32:33
Yeah. I mean, they'll be able to cross down here as well and then up to 300 W There's still going to be crossings there. So we 00:32:39
just wanted to provide an intermediate one where we do have all of these. Can you see this maybe a little better? There's a bunch 00:32:45
of parking stalls on that side that potentially people park there and wanted to walk across. They're not having to go up to 300 or 00:32:50
down to 360 W and walk around. 00:32:56
Yeah, OK. 00:33:03
OK. So again, just to focus on this is just the phase 1G, so no actual buildings as part of this site plan. So are there any other 00:33:08
areas of the site plan that members of the Commission want to zoom in on and discuss? 00:33:17
I had a conversation with with sold and lover. 00:33:27
Public works. So yeah, he had brought up the. 00:33:32
The trees Our tree manual discourages London flames. 00:33:37
But that's, it's only a requirement on public property. So they are allowed to have the London planes. But I, you know, we from a 00:33:44
staff level, we, we would kind of encourage Brandon if he wants to have his designer look at the, the vendor tree manual and, and 00:33:51
maybe put kind of a more variety of different, different trees throughout the, you know, just throughout the, the open space area. 00:33:59
I think that, you know, staff would be, would be able to that I, I don't know. 00:34:06
Anything to kind of add to that? Remember you brought that up earlier. 00:34:14
We're just having trouble keeping ours alive. They're all dying. 00:34:18
They're susceptible to disease and it's actually growing right now because of their prevalence. 00:34:24
Are there are there things in here about tree watering? I think part of the problem we have is our trees are not watered through 00:34:30
drip lines right full of them. 00:34:34
That potentially could be a problem, but. 00:34:42
You know, we feel like they've been getting adequate water, right? Right. Is it through sprinklers? 00:34:45
Yeah, they're getting sprinkled. 00:34:53
Yeah. 00:34:56
Utah State University talks a lot about this sort of thing. That gardening program is that you do need drip lines for trees. They 00:34:58
just can't get enough for sprinklers. So that's not in there. It's something to. 00:35:03
And it would seem to me, too, that if our vineyard tree manuals. 00:35:10
Discourages or doesn't allow that species of tree. 00:35:16
That we would encourage private developers to use it, to use the same thinking, because there's a reason that we chose not to use 00:35:19
those trees. And so whether they're susceptible to disease or their roots go out and break out, break up sidewalks or whatever, it 00:35:26
just seems like it would be wise for the developers to follow the same thinking. 00:35:33
Yeah, I think you're right. It's definitely not something that they're required by toe to do property, but we definitely would 00:35:41
encourage Brandon. So I, I I don't think we need to condition that in this, but it's it Brandon could maybe want his designer to 00:35:48
the tree manual. You know, staff would be appreciative. Yeah, absolutely. 00:35:54
Thank you. 00:36:03
All right. 00:36:08
Just a quick, very general observation or comment. Brandon too, from the historical perspective of Vineyard. 00:36:11
We're always looking for open spaces in which someday in the future we could put sculptures, artifacts from the city, things like 00:36:19
that. And so I, I'm just hopeful that Edge would be open to those ideas, should we be able to find such items that could go into 00:36:26
any of these kinds of open areas. They wouldn't disturb the soil. They would just be placed on the surface of the ground 00:36:33
primarily. 00:36:39
We'd love to see a timed statue out there one day. 00:36:47
I'm not sure there's enough steel though. 00:36:51
That would be great. I don't see a problem with that at all. So just we don't know where, where, how any of that will happen, but 00:36:55
we're just looking for opportunities. 00:36:59
Great. 00:37:03
Any additional comments and questions? 00:37:08
So what I'd recommend is if you. 00:37:16
Make a motion to approve the site plan that that you do and if you have any conditions that you just state those in the record. 00:37:19
And so I I've got some language for for one and I can just read it to see if it kind of captures what what Amber. 00:37:28
Was thinking that it would be The applicant shall add flowering native plants and submitted updated landscape plan prior to 00:37:39
installation. 00:37:43
We can. You can not take that or you can add to it, but this is kind of something I jotted down as we've been discussing it. 00:37:50
Anyway, that's all I ask, but. 00:38:01
You know, if you want to. If you want them to do anything besides what they submitted, you would need to add a condition of 00:38:04
approval. 00:38:07
Got it. Thank you for that. 00:38:11
That one had to read in there. 00:38:13
What else from the Commission? Any any questions on this? 00:38:17
And I don't have any further questions. I'm just really pleased with the idea of native growing. So whatever that looks like, I I 00:38:22
just really support. 00:38:27
Brandon, a question for you. This is more on a on a, you know, larger project understanding, but. 00:38:36
You know, where you essentially have the green light. I actually biked down there today, this afternoon and saw that they already 00:38:43
poured in like curb and gutter on a lot of the 300 W there. What, what's the time frame like as far as opening that road and 00:38:51
putting in some of, well, I guess there's no building on this, but you know, putting in some of the, the landscaping. 00:38:59
Yeah. So this is kind of the last piece to the puzzle here. As soon as we've got this, if we get this approved this tonight. 00:39:07
300 W will open up and then the road that's along the Lakeshore right now, we've got the whole plan there that I think we've 00:39:17
already, I remember, I think we've already brought that. 00:39:21
Before you guys, but essentially we'll have the trail system that goes along there, the road will go away and then 300 W 00:39:28
ultimately becomes the main byway through there. So yeah, this is kind of the last piece of the puzzle. 00:39:34
Is that? 00:39:40
Weeks, months. What's the road diversion plan? So, yeah, so we actually just barely got, I think this week our approval from state 00:39:43
lands to start approving the improvements along the Lakeshore. I've had conversations with our VP of Land development to start 00:39:50
getting contractors lined up for that. So you'll start seeing some, some movement going on down there on the Lake Shore as we 00:39:56
coordinate with them. 00:40:03
On building those trails and and you know, getting ready for landscape, but I don't, you know, obviously the optimal time to plant 00:40:10
those is end of fall. So I don't really see us. 00:40:15
Landscaping too much right now until. 00:40:20
The last thing we want to do is put all this down and then have another dry season like we did this year and nothing gross. So how 00:40:24
long, sorry? How long do you anticipate that they'll be? 00:40:28
Working on removing vegetation. 00:40:34
That's a good question. I don't know for sure. It will probably take us a good chunk into the summer just because of how, I mean, 00:40:38
I think we've got about 3000 feet of frontage there. So there's quite a bit extensive amount of work that's going to be done. And 00:40:45
then we've got the trail system that we need to connect into the that's what's the name of the park sunset. 00:40:52
Each part, yes, yeah, we've got to connect the trail system there. So we've got quite a bit of work to do, but. 00:41:00
It'll take us six months or so. 00:41:08
Because it seems like some of that can take years. Hopefully not for you guys, but it is a horrible job. 00:41:10
Yeah, we've got a few. I mean, obviously we want to make sure we get rid of invasive species. And I think that's probably what our 00:41:17
biggest concern is right now is to make sure that we allow enough time for those to to get those out of the way to see if they 00:41:23
come back and and then keep working those. So hopefully. 00:41:28
Hopefully it doesn't take us that long, but. 00:41:34
Never know. 00:41:37
All right. Any other questions? 00:41:42
So I just have a question on the motion where we were talking before about the plants or the trees. 00:41:46
Morgan, I think you were saying, right? It's not. It's not code. 00:41:54
In the conditions of our emotionally allowed to, you know, push for some of that devising the the tree species. Yeah, you you can 00:41:59
do that even just in this discussion. I mean, Brandon and his team have been really responsive. So I think I think they they purge 00:42:06
you. But if you want the more solidify that in your motion that that that that's fine as well. But as far as the trees go, just my 00:42:14
my only point was it's it's just not a it's not something that is. 00:42:21
Wired in the code, but it is encouraged under the tree manual, so you know anyway, Brandon said. He'll still send that over to the 00:42:29
designer, but you can still put it in the motion. But they're not required by law to do it if they they push back, just to clarify 00:42:35
that. 00:42:40
Yeah, thanks for the clarification. 00:42:47
OK, good questions. 00:42:54
If there are no additional questions, are any members of the Commission ready and willing to put forward a motion? 00:42:57
I'll put forward the motion. 00:43:13
Someone else has something else they want to. 00:43:18
Bring up. 00:43:21
OK. And just specifically Jeff putting forward a motion with with? 00:43:23
Yeah, we approve it with the with the condition of also introducing some of the flowering data plant species that we talked about. 00:43:30
If I could enhance you have them submit an updated landscape plan prior to installation. OK. Yeah, great. Thank you. OK, so Jeff 00:43:41
with that motion as read by Morgan as well, do I have any counter motions or a second to that second? All right, Amber, with the 00:43:50
second and all in favor, aye. If you could, I apologize if you could do a roll call because it is. 00:43:58
OK. I appreciate it. 00:44:08
Anthony, Hi, Amber. Hi, Jeff, I, Tim and Jessica. 00:44:09
All right. 00:44:18
OK. Well, thank you Brandon for that. And I know we'll we'll be chatting more with you in the future as this development continues 00:44:20
to go in. But we appreciate you working with us. Thank you guys, appreciate all you do. 00:44:26
Yep, thank you. 00:44:32
All right. 00:44:36
Going back to the agenda now, that wraps up all of our business items and there's no items on the work session. So we'll now move 00:44:38
on to Commission member reports. So we can just go down the list here. Jessica, did you have anything to share? 00:44:45
Nothing that I guess I didn't share a lot. 00:44:54
Last session, so OK. 00:44:57
Thank you. 00:44:59
Tim, anything from you? Nothing new. Thank you. All right, Jeff. 00:45:00
Nothing for me, Amber. 00:45:05
Yes, I have to Salon and Morgan. I'm working with the chair of the Utah Need to Plant Society to do a webinar about usernames and 00:45:08
getting rid of the invasives and things like that. And I've been waiting and waiting but the guy said after mid February. So I 00:45:17
tried to be a webinar. I don't know Morgan or anyone invited. I don't know if we can work that out, but that should help us. 00:45:26
Kind of figure out more about how to deal with these situations that we're in right now. Make sure that people are appropriately 00:45:35
preparing areas and that. 00:45:39
You know, fold in and Chris and everybody have the information they need to reduce their maintenance. 00:45:44
Great. Thank you, Amber. Thanks for bringing your expertise here and connecting us with the other experts as well. That's that's 00:45:53
helpful. And as we continue to revisit general plans and things like that, if you've ever got sort of like with with biking, for 00:46:00
example, I know that there are certain standards and there's governing bodies that will award we, we were just recently awarded a 00:46:07
bronze level for the city. If there's equivalent things like that for whether it's, you know, tree city designations or. 00:46:14
Water users, those types of things bring those to our attention because I think those would be valuable to have as benchmarks in 00:46:22
a, in a general plan, if that makes sense. Yeah, and congratulations on your bronze. 00:46:27
Whatever it is, congratulations to all of us. Congratulations. 00:46:34
All right, kind of on the Viking note, unsurprisingly, we on the bike committee, bike and pedestrian committee, we had a 00:46:41
conceptual plan shared with us about what could be used potentially in some of the open space in the city. And some of them are 00:46:47
just kind of very. 00:46:54
Basic dirt trails that could be done for little pump tracks and things like that for families to go ride bikes or all the way up 00:47:01
to things that are, you know, cement and asphalt structures that, you know, scooters could ride on. So and everything in between. 00:47:07
But you'll, you'll see more of that coming along from the the bike committee. If if it goes that route, then obviously 00:47:13
everything's a pipe dream until it's funded. So you know, there would need to be that aspect of it as well. But there are a lot 00:47:19
of. 00:47:25
Grants that could help with some of that as well. 00:47:31
I think Tay is on as well. Tay, did you have anything? 00:47:36
No, not right now, OK. 00:47:44
Thank you. 00:47:46
All right, we will see. Well, actually staff other needs staff reports. Yeah, I could be really quick. So please. Yeah. So our our 00:47:49
text amendment for the Rd. parking, we're going to gear that up for next week or for next meeting. So we weren't able to to make 00:47:55
it to this meeting, it seems like. 00:48:01
Some of the citizens from the name from Sleepy Ridge have indicated that that meeting actually works better for them too. So I 00:48:09
think while a pretty good dialogue. 00:48:13
So what we'll bring some options for us to discuss and then I would just have the Planning Commission make their, their, their 00:48:19
recommendation of what they put the City Council. In addition to that, this this will be the big meeting about the general plans. 00:48:25
So Brian will have a, a staff report that really is more of a general plan diagnostic. So it's going to be his analysis of the 00:48:31
general plan. 00:48:37
Like the areas that need to be changed and also. 00:48:45
In kind of a consolidation of your comments where we are with all of our goals and that kind of action statements in the general 00:48:49
plan. So if you have not filled out the sheet, I know it's a pain in the **** because it's like 200 items, but it's really 00:48:55
important and as a Planning Commission that this is kind of one of our our core duties as a general client. So if you could please 00:49:01
at least try to get through as much as you can and send your comments over to Brian, he's getting that. 00:49:07
He'll he'll make sure that's important, put it into his staff report. 00:49:14
And we'd love to have your feedback. But yeah, so I would plan for a couple hours that the meeting will go a little bit longer 00:49:18
next time, that it will be a good discussion and kick off the, the general plan and, and to get the, the text amendment 00:49:24
recommended and pushed to the council. 00:49:30
That's it for me. 00:49:37
Great. Thanks, Morgan. Brian, Don Sullivan, any updates from you? 00:49:38
Nope. 00:49:46
Just second, Amber, if you would like to, could you include Preston on your e-mail when you arrange that class or the seminar and 00:49:48
stuff? And then just so that you guys are aware, the city has submitted for a Tree City USA application. So hopefully we'll be 00:49:54
hearing about that in the very near future. 00:50:01
Sounds good. That's awesome. Then we get those signs and get up. 00:50:11
Yeah, it's got to get developers to take the the bags off of the roots, right And plant them at the proper. 00:50:15
That's the first step. 00:50:24
Perfect. Thanks a lot. And Brian, you were saying something. Oh, no, no, just seconding Morgan on the general plan stuff that 00:50:25
that's it for me. 00:50:29
Right. So if you haven't done so that's your that's your homework between now and next meeting is to fill that out and get back to 00:50:33
Brian. But yeah, I think that's it. So can I get a a motion to adjourn? A motion to adjourn. OK, Thanks, Amber. Do I have a 00:50:42
second? I'll second. All right. And we'll also do a roll call. Anthony. Hi, Jessica. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Tim. 00:50:50
Hi, Amber. Hi. All right, Thanks, everybody. Thank you, Anthony, for stepping in. 00:50:59
Thanks. 00:51:07
Wasn't it Jessica? 00:51:17
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