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Resident David Lauret presented a petition to create a bicycle boulevard on Holdaway Road. Resident Christy Welch asked about stop signs in the Shores subdivision. City Engineer Naseem Ghandour replied that he is trying to secure funding to do a city-wide traffic study that could resolve this issue.   MINUTES REVIEW AND APPROVAL:1    November21
MOTION: Vice-Chair Knighton motioned to approve the minutes as recorded. Commissioner Blackburn seconded the motion. Chair Brady, Vice-Chair Knighton, Commissioner Blackburn, Commissioner Bramwell, and Commissioner Jessop voted aye. The motion carried unanimously.   BUSINESS ITEMS1
Appointment of a New Chair and Vice-Chair. MOTION: Chair Brady motioned to nominate Vice-Chair Knighton to serve as the new Planning Commission Chair. Commissioner Blackburn seconded the motion. Chair Brady, Vice-Chair Knighton, Commissioner Blackburn, Commissioner Bramwell, and Commissioner Jessop voted aye. The motion carried unanimously.
MOTION: Commissioner Blackburn motioned to nominate Chair Brady to serve as the new Planning Commissioner Vice-Chair. Chair Knighton seconded the motion. Chair Brady, Vice-Chair Knighton, Commissioner Blackburn, Commissioner Bramwell, and Commissioner Jessop voted aye. The motion carried unanimously.   WORK SESSION1
Bike Utah: Chris Wiltse from Bike Utah presented streetlight data findings.2
Bike Park & State Funding: The Bicycle Advisory Committee and Planning Commission discussed funding options for the Vineyard Bike and Skate Park that has been designed by the American Ramp Company.   COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSION DISCLOSURE
Planning Technician Cache Hancey presented information about an upcoming APA conference that would be a training opportunity for the Planning Commission. Mr. Ghandour gave an update about a future UTA route. Commissioner Blackburn paid tribute to a resident who has been involved in many civic meetings.   ADJOURNMENT           Chair Brady adjourned the meeting. Minutes Certified Correct: January,22 CERTIFIED BY:   /s/ Cache Hancey                          Cache Hancey, Planning Technician
Everybody. It is January 19th, 2022, and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:16
Alright, time everybody to order. 00:00:24
So we'll get right into it, I. 00:00:29
Would actually I will give the opening prayer. 00:00:33
Do you have your father with him? For that? We can be here today for Planning Commission meeting. Please pass this as we discussed 00:00:39
these things that are on our agenda that we'll feel inspired as to what the right decisions are. And we're so thankful for this 00:00:45
community that we live in, for the people that volunteer their time and effort and the citizens that make this such a great place. 00:00:51
And Father, we love thee and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:00:57
All right. We'll move on to minutes. For minutes for approval. Do I have a motion? I think we can do that. Open session. My bad. 00:01:04
We're moving to an open session. If you have any comments, you'd like to come forward and. 00:01:13
Making comments David? Cool. 00:01:19
So long. 00:01:31
OK. 00:01:52
By the way. 00:01:59
Lots of light on it. 00:02:05
No. 00:02:07
Well, I've lost that. Just make sure you state your name real quick. 00:02:10
Hi, I'm David Loray. 00:02:18
I live on Holdaway Road. 00:02:21
And so I wanted to. 00:02:25
I want to share with the with Commission a petition that is currently going around the whole way Rd. in which we've got the over 00:02:27
have about 2/3 of the of the people have signed it so far affirmative and and the rest of them are. 00:02:35
Have them at home. So we'll we'll get them in a minute here but anyway I wanted to I want to share with this share the. 00:02:43
I learned it as a looked at the program for tonight that this is me focusing on bicycles and so I thought I would bring this and 00:02:52
share it with you. There's an effort to create a bicycle Blvd. or a bike way on Holdaway Road. 00:03:00
It's a it's a perfect place to have have a bike way because it's you know it's probably one of the only stretches of Rd. that's 00:03:08
you know when it's not stop signs and and other things in the way that it's a nice straightaway and so it's a nice place to ride. 00:03:16
It's if we were to create a bike with there, we would actually be linking up the southern part of the city with the northern part 00:03:23
of the city so it'd be a safe place for people to bike and to walk. 00:03:30
Right now, Overlay Rd. is traditionally used as a as a bicycle and a pedestrian thoroughfare, but it's but more and more. There's 00:03:38
been more and more traffic there, and it's it's was never meant to be a Collector Rd. but it's being used as such if you look at 00:03:44
every city map that the city has posted. 00:03:51
It's always listed as a neighborhood Rd. not a Collector Rd. The collector owner is Vineyard Rd. over by a little further to the 00:03:57
to the east on the other side of the park. That's the Collector Rd. is designated for this that part of the city and so and and 00:04:04
because more of our people are going that way it's becoming more and more dangerous to walk and bicycle there and so we would. 00:04:11
Part of the reason for creating a bias for Blvd. would be a safe space for the people who are biking and and and walking. 00:04:20
Also, there's a number of children who you know, walk that way to go to school and and and during that rush hour when it's school 00:04:28
time, you know there, there are all sorts of cars flying through there. 00:04:34
We we had we asked the council to install some electronic speed science a couple years ago which they did and we we still find 00:04:42
that the you know that people are still violating speed on this and especially during that rush hour when when when when moms are 00:04:47
are. 00:04:53
Rushing to school to drop off their kids while they're trying to negotiate, keeping other kids and quiet and so forth. It's just 00:04:59
it's not a really safe place without really focused on driving a lot of women and just and and there have been lots of really 00:05:06
close calls. I myself was out there you know reading the next to the street as I was getting up. I, you know I had a. 00:05:13
I have my hand out and a car hit me and I just it just and it happens all the time. My wife's had it happen to her a couple times. 00:05:22
It's just not safe. 00:05:27
And we've talked to the city over and over about this and and that they don't really have a solution, but we like to pose this as 00:05:34
I think a very workable solution. One will benefit the city and we want to be a city that fosters active transportation and and 00:05:41
this is a way to do it and this, this will really connect a lot of trails that are right now not connected. 00:05:48
This one dedicated trails right there at the end of at the North End of Holy Rd. If you cross the street there they take off as 00:06:30
boardwalks and trails there and there and this will this will link up with those. It would basically connect a lot of our trail 00:06:38
network but right now is disconnected and it would be a way of of of of creating an environment that would be safe and a a way of 00:06:46
being able to be used by families and and and not just most people are willing to brave the traffic. 00:06:54
So it's we think it's a great solution. 00:07:02
It's traffic at least a bicycle boulevards have been have been designated in several cities you know throughout the West and 00:07:06
they've been successful. We've also have examples in Provo and Salt Lake City where they've been used successfully as well. We 00:07:13
think it's we think it's it's it's a forward-looking way of handling the situation and we we think vineyard will be would be very 00:07:20
much benefited by this. 00:07:26
And so we wanted to get make you aware of that and and and as if we could ask that the the bicycle Advisory Committee be notified 00:07:34
of this and and give information about it and perhaps the see if they would like to tell sponsor it cool. Awesome. Thank you David 00:07:40
this is very cool. 00:07:45
Anthony's not here tonight, but I'm sure he'd be super in favor of this also. Yeah, I think it's great. And yeah, I feel your pain 00:07:54
with the holdaway Rd. stuff. Even on the Elms, you have people think that the Elms connect and they'll zoom through and then zoom 00:08:00
back, but it's a million times worse for you guys. So it is alright. Yeah. Cool. Thank you so much. Bye. Bye. Has has the city 00:08:05
seen this? Have you guys seen any of this yet? So if you're talking about them or to the petition that was just passed out, we 00:08:11
have not seen it and seen that, so. 00:08:17
Thank you, Sir. 00:08:24
And also just to speak in regards to. 00:08:28
During what was it back a couple of weeks ago? During as part of the whole way of Hallway Farms application? 00:08:33
The developer has conducted a traffic study of. 00:08:43
Generations for the surrounding areas, for the surrounding streets and also to include for Holloway Farms. Excuse me, Holy Roads 00:08:51
specifically for traffic. 00:08:56
On that and then. 00:09:01
And of course I know that the fire department has this this summary slots the slides that were for that for sure that a lot of the 00:09:03
traffic without connectivity of Main Street and 400 SA lot of the traffic as you hold the way road to in order to access veneer at 00:09:11
the elementary on that When it comes down to your speeders obviously when it comes to speeding speed there was an issue and I I'm 00:09:20
a big advocate of people actually driving slow and especially. 00:09:28
Residential areas on that. So definitely as a medical follow up with the Sheriff's Office in order for them to enforce the traffic 00:09:37
laws regardless whether it's on Holiday Road or anywhere else in the Vineyard. 00:09:44
On that but the traffic says that they would provide was about 14116 vehicles per day was their average daily trips along Holiday 00:09:51
Rd. With the majority of it being going to morning and evening peak hours which reflects to roughly around school traffic time 00:09:59
time frame. So we really got part of the solution is. 00:10:08
Connectivity for railways to give people options in order so they utilize. 00:10:19
With smaller roads being one whole way Rd. smaller roads less and that you 2 lives like the larger roads that we have now that we 00:10:23
have in place as part of that. In regards to what I haven't read about in regards to Pike Blvd. I I don't have a comment on that 00:10:31
unless actually we're actually seeing what they proposed. So how would it be proposed but I know that and and essence and the 00:10:38
engineering department specifically, I mean we will help direct. 00:10:46
Decisions. 00:10:54
Whichever direction for the best, for the best public safety and best of the public good. And that's assuming that. 00:10:56
Holdaway Farms thing passes or goes through I guess. 00:11:05
I'm not sticking that on that assumption. I'm just taking that. I mean again speaking specifically on technical terms and not lock 00:11:10
down anything else. I'm just talking about specifically about connectivity. So whether it's that that particular app location or 00:11:16
anything else that connectivity for Main Street and foreigners South. 00:11:22
It would be forever. 00:11:30
Gonna be very viable. 00:11:33
Part of the solution, I'll say, part of the solution, like I say, there's a solution, yeah, that would be it would help out as 00:11:36
part of that. So community in general is very healthy for helping alleviate traffic throughout the city. Is the city in talks at 00:11:43
all with Orem as far as the Vineyard Rd. In 400 S Connections, so Vineyard, Vineyard S, Vineyard Rd. Yeah, Yeah. So that would be 00:11:49
on the east side of the park. I mean there's. 00:11:56
Season deck. The connection there. Let me just take a look at my mouth. 00:12:05
Point out that that linear Rd. was not included in that traffic study though, so that was the didn't even consider it and so it 00:12:08
should have been part of that. 00:12:13
So if you're asking if if we're talking about there's really again that's a public, that's a public Rd. So my understanding 00:12:22
Warren's not preventing any kind of flow through that. So when we go from the new road north. 00:12:31
Towards Center St. and that is a I guess that would be a longer, that's a longer route and of course there is construction 00:12:40
development for probably one that's that's that's occurring through there as well. It's I think the main concern or the reason a 00:12:47
lot of people drive on Holdaway Road is because getting out from Vineyard Rd. onto Florida South is almost impossible at certain 00:12:55
times of the day. And so if we can work something out with Orem, some kind of. 00:13:02
Anything for a solution there? I think that that would make not only make this possible, but alleviate a lot of traffic at the 00:13:10
very least on Homewood Rd. 00:13:14
So, umm. 00:13:19
Yeah. One thing I wanted to comment to on that to think about is what we want to do with Holdaway Rd. is that there are still some 00:13:21
of the Homestead, there's Homesteads Pod 2 and Homesteads Pod 11 that would connect potentially on to Hoodaway Rd. I don't know 00:13:28
what their plans are. They can't. 00:13:35
Connect Rd. wise, Trail wise, they can. That addresses the concern. 00:13:41
And a comment also on on this in the Vineyard Heritage Commission, we did receive a very broad and general presentation of this 00:13:47
probably 6 or 8 weeks ago and it had very favorable response there in the Heritage Commission. Those, I don't know what it is, 00:13:57
half mile, quarter of a mile of Holdaway Rd. is about the only remaining part of the community that has still history in it. 00:14:06
And so whatever we can do to preserve. 00:14:16
That historical perspective and so on, whether it's a Rd. designation, it certainly does have the Vineyard Heritage Commission 00:14:20
support to at least pursue the details of this. 00:14:25
Any other comments from? 00:14:33
If not, we'll move to Minutes of any other public comments, anybody that would like to. 00:14:35
Yes, my name is Christy Welsh. I'm from the Parkside neighborhood. I was driving down the shores today. 00:14:41
And I realized that at the end of. 00:14:48
Center Street, where you're in the Shores, there's no stop signs. Is that? 00:14:53
In the works or is that something we could talk about? Is that and does anyone know in planning? So you're talking about the 00:15:00
Shores neighborhood? 00:15:04
So on their whole street, when they're coming onto, I don't know if that's the same further down in their neighborhood, but there 00:15:07
are no stop signs when you turn either right or left onto Center St. and it's quite if you're heading north on that street to take 00:15:13
a right, there's a fence right there. So you, I mean with no stop sign, you could just, you know, rip around that corner, but you 00:15:19
cannot see. 00:15:25
Anyone coming? And I it's funny because I was dropping off some kids that live in the Shores and they're like, Oh yeah, we think 00:15:32
that's hilarious. 00:15:36
All right. So I'd be curious if that's something. 00:15:40
You know they have those posts there that look like at some. 00:15:45
Really loud. 00:15:49
This is like a lot in the minds up there. 00:15:51
They have those posts that look like at some point, you know, way back when they first took the shores, I believe there was the 00:15:55
intent that there was going to be a date, that it was going to be a gated community. So they built those posts. 00:16:00
But I believe that kind of dropped off the developers ideas and so they still have those posts there. Are there plans to do a 00:16:07
gated community? And if not, why do we have the post there and why don't we have cell phones? 00:16:12
That's my comment. Thanks guys. 00:16:21
So from my understanding, the Shores at one point was going to have an HOA and when that got dissolved, the gated community there 00:16:24
got dissolved. So I don't believe that they have any plans. We haven't heard anything if they're planning on putting any gates 00:16:30
there, but those posts were just put in before that HOA was dissolved. 00:16:36
Is it possible to get some stop sign put in there? Because the more people use the Center St. Lake access right there, the more I 00:16:43
think it's becoming a hazard. I'll let the scene answer that one. 00:16:49
So missing the nursing university engineer, so in regards to the traffic. 00:16:56
A stop sign along with Ashley it will be there are some, there are areas throughout the city in regards to traffic control devices 00:17:03
of that's been the other concern. 00:17:10
And then I actually New Zealand department has had discussions with. 00:17:18
Has discussions with other city staff, finance department and to bring forth budget adjustment to the citywide study. 00:17:24
Control at the top control devices slash Traffic Safety. It's just not. And when I say traffic control devices, I'm not talking 00:17:33
about. 00:17:36
Excuse me traffic signals like wider signals that's very much more detailed study but more of a I'll say a lower level or higher 00:17:41
level study to in order in order to address items such as yield sign stop signs other types of passive traffic studies that I'll 00:17:51
be present to City Council I believe in the first City Council February for for funding for that item. 00:18:00
If a certain State Council members who may be attendance in this room are supportive of that and then I definitely would be 00:18:10
something to push forward with. 00:18:14
All right. 00:18:19
For any other, any other public comments, if not, we'll move on to business item or we'll move on to Minutes for review and 00:18:24
approval. Do I have any? 00:18:28
Motion. 00:18:33
So I left over the minutes, and I'll admit I hadn't been as good at looking at the minutes recently, but these look more sparse 00:18:36
than what we've done before. So there was a I don't know if it was a state code update, but there was an update that requires us 00:18:43
to write a lot less. We just kind of summarize very briefly what happened, but link to. 00:18:50
Media, whether it's audio or video, for people to go back and watch themselves, so it's more of a bookmark. If you want to hear 00:18:58
what happened in this conversation, click on this. 00:19:02
And and listen to it for yourself. 00:19:06
And you can like add in a meeting to have something for on the record. Yeah if if you do stay correct if you do state something 00:19:09
and say I want this on the record we will type that into the minutes and. 00:19:15
Pam Spencer hasn't killed us yet, so I'm pretty clear. 00:19:21
Yeah. 00:20:00
OK. Yeah. All right. So you'll see them next meeting in two months. How's that work? 00:20:01
Yeah, It doesn't say anywhere on the agenda that it's a joint meeting. 00:20:12
Yeah, that was a mistake. We will fix that for next time that happens. OK. Do I have, do I have a motion on the minutes? I move to 00:20:20
approve the minutes? I second the motion. All in favor. Aye. All right. And those were the 3.1 November 3rd, 2021 minutes. All 00:20:27
right, moving on to business item 4.1, an appointment of a new chair and vice chair. So last time we pushed this off from last 00:20:35
year because it was just me and Jeff here and we didn't want to do that. 00:20:42
Two of us. So this is for sitting members only. So sorry, Marcus, you can't vote on this. All right, Chris, Chris is actually a 00:20:50
new planning Commissioner, but he is a city member. Welcome, welcome both of you guys also. 00:20:58
Mercy. 00:21:07
Yeah, yeah. So I. 00:21:11
Yeah, it's been a year. 00:21:15
So I'll, I'll, I'll make a motion actually. 00:21:19
That will appoint Jeff Knight in as the new chairman for the Planning Commission. 00:21:23
So we simply, I mean, you can second that you can do something else if you want it's. 00:21:30
Like dance or yeah, You Can Dance. 00:21:36
No, I I second that motion. All right. 00:21:41
I think we're ready to go. All in favor. Aye, aye. All right. So. 00:21:45
Congratulations, Jeff. Thank you. And then and then for the appointment of a vice chair, same thing, just wait for motion from 00:21:53
somebody. 00:21:58
I know that Tim in the past is not. 00:22:05
So I would I would make a motion that we appoint Bryce as the vice chair. 00:22:11
He has been the chair though, and in the past but. 00:22:25
Yeah. Anything. Yeah, I'll 2nd that. I, I support that because I think we will continue with experience in in that way. So sounds 00:22:29
good to me. All right. All in favor. All right, cool. All right. So the revenue chair and vice chair. 00:22:38
Move to 5.1 in work session, Bike Utah. 00:22:50
Part of this, we were going to have Jim Price from Mags do a presentation. He's actually out sick, so we're going to skip that 00:22:59
part. We still do have Chris Wilson with like Utah here. 00:23:04
So turn it over to them. 00:23:10
Hey Chris, thanks for coming out. It's awesome to have you. And we're super interested in the data that you want to present to us 00:23:20
about street light data and how that can apply to Vineyard. 00:23:25
So we're looking forward to what you got. 00:23:30
Can you hear me cool and. 00:23:32
Is there a way to turn that OK? 00:23:36
I think we're good. 00:23:49
OK. 00:23:51
OK. 00:23:55
The moment you've all been waiting for. 00:23:56
Alright, so. 00:23:59
I wanted to give you kind of a high level overview of what active transportation looks like and what the data says and how 00:24:01
probably a lot of the things your planners are saying are is actually correct and the data backs it up. And I can show you how 00:24:08
that is true. All right, so. 00:24:15
About what was it? Two years ago I applied for this grant from Spin Scooters and it was to access this data package of a bunch of 00:24:23
different platforms and one of the platforms was streetlight data. 00:24:29
And what streetlight data does is it takes cell phone pings. So you're all being tracked by companies, and it takes that data 00:24:37
that's tracking you. And it uses machine learning to determine what mode of transportation you're using. So if you're moving 00:24:44
really fast or within certain speed thresholds, then it can estimate you're riding a bike or you're riding or you're walking or 00:24:52
you're driving in a car. And things like distances are ways for it to take into consideration. 00:25:00
Other variables. So that was the data platform you're using. Normally planners are using like if you hire a consultancy, are there 00:25:08
any in here? No consultants, OK, They're going to use Strava data. Do you guys know what Strava data is? OK, so if you don't know 00:25:14
what it is, it's. 00:25:21
An app you can use to track your workout. So like if you go for a bike ride, you can track how far, how fast, how many times 00:25:29
you've gone at the end of the year. It'll give you all kinds of cool stats around that. But it's used by, generally speaking, 00:25:36
recreational riders. And So what you see when you look at the driver data is everybody is writing really fast, really far to like 00:25:43
remote locations that don't make any sense. 00:25:50
Like, why are you riding out there? But it's because they're waiting recreationally and they want to see beautiful places and have 00:25:58
a nice ride, right? And so I travel the state and I'm a stakeholder in a lot of meetings, and often times these consultancies are 00:26:04
using this data. But even when they're talking about like, utilitarian or practical cycling, because I think in a lot of ways they 00:26:10
just want to sort of show that they're using data, even if it's not necessarily telling the story that they want to. But they can 00:26:16
say like, hey, we got data. 00:26:22
So keep that in mind. 00:26:29
But what we found with streetlight data is it tells a very different story. 00:26:31
What we found is on Strava it looks like it's mostly like middle class. Upper middle class people are riding their bikes really 00:26:38
fast, really far. But what we found in streetlight data is it's generally low income people who are actually riding bikes. So if 00:26:46
you accept the premise of street light data, it is a more complete picture because it's taking everybody. So it would be taking a 00:26:54
recreational riders and your practical utility minded riders. And So what we found was it's really short distance. 00:27:01
Really slow and it tends to be lower income people riding bikes. 00:27:10
And if you look at this data visualization we did, you can see it's generally centered around the downtown core of Provo because 00:27:16
that's where we got part of the. 00:27:21
The data package for. 00:27:28
But if you look at proverbs. 00:27:31
Recent transportation master plan of where they planned most of their infrastructure. It actually sort of creates a box around 00:27:35
where most people are writing they they're trying to induce demand, I guess, for recreational writing. 00:27:42
Because you can see it's like up in the canyons in the foothills, it's out to sort of remote locations like I was talking about, 00:27:51
which is interesting. It's not to say that's the wrong way to plan, but if I was a transportation planner, I would probably plan 00:27:56
more around. 00:28:01
Transportation. 00:28:09
So what we also found in the data was that the bicycles are functioning similarly to automobiles. So they're going, so you can see 00:28:15
that if you look at an origin destination map. So where are people coming from, where they're going to, they're going? 00:28:23
To basically the same locations as you would expect from a car. They're going further distances, but generally the hotspots of 00:28:33
where they're going are the same. So BYU, that's where most people are driving. That's also where most people are riding their 00:28:39
bikes, because that's where people are going to school. 00:28:44
And that's where people are working. It's one of the main employers in Provo and in Utah County. 00:28:49
So that makes sense. And so that's where I'm kind of making some of my assumptions as we're seeing the bicycle data reflects car 00:28:58
data. So we can then make some assumptions that they are. 00:29:04
Writing for the same purposes. 00:29:11
And then we find similar outcomes in terms of time of day. 00:29:17
And like I said origin and destination, so that gives more. 00:29:22
Evidence for some of those assumptions. And then we started looking at some of the surrounding communities because they gave us 00:29:28
like this big BLOB. And I don't know if I was supposed to use the data outside of Provo, but it did. So what we found was in 00:29:34
Springville, a very similar thing, which is a very different community from Provo Provost, far more urban. Springville is more of 00:29:40
a kind of a rural suburban community with. 00:29:46
Like traditional downtown, but we still found that a lot of people were riding around the downtown. 00:29:54
And we also saw that people were writing a populty Canyon in large numbers, which is you would expect that as well. 00:30:01
And then when you look at Orem, we find the same thing, which is interesting. It's another community that's very different, right? 00:30:10
It's urban, but in a very different way from Provo, where Provo is very compact or in this kind of suburban sprawl down State 00:30:17
Street and that really tall geometry that you see, that's actually the number one intersection in the state for cars. 00:30:28
But we also find the same. I don't know if it's the number one intersection for bikes in the state, but it is for arm and this is 00:30:40
what it looks like. 00:30:44
So I'd like to call this the bicycle hellscape. So but it makes sense from a planning perspective why people are riding their 00:30:50
bikes here. So a lot of your planners have been saying like. 00:30:58
From the transportation perspective, like. 00:31:36
What obligation do we have to make that safe if people are going to be riding there anyways? And likewise, how much more bicycle 00:31:39
traffic and walking can we promote through creating enjoyable, walkable, bikable places in in these areas where we know people are 00:31:46
going to work? But from your perspective in Vineyard where you like building out of downtown, you have, well, I guess your 00:31:53
downtown is going to be pretty amazing. Like, I'm not going to lie, it's probably the only other person I would ever move to in 00:32:00
Utah County. 00:32:07
Umm, that's saying a lot. So I live in Provo, currently in the urban core. 00:32:15
But yeah, you could promote these kinds of places where you know people are going to ride and bikes even if it looks like that. So 00:32:21
a couple other things that we found were pretty interesting. We created some rings around Provo, like a big donut, really thin 00:32:28
donut. And if anybody passed through that barrier, we considered it an outside trip. So it was right on the the border of Provo 00:32:35
and any if anybody stayed on the inside of that border. 00:32:42
That it was a trip within. 00:32:49
And we found that. 00:32:52
Most of the trips within Provo, which made-up, sorry, made-up about 37% of shirts, were under 3 miles, which that's like the sweet 00:32:56
spot for biking, right? So you could replace and it's 40% of your trips theoretically with biking, and then a big portion of them 00:33:04
could be replaced with walking, but biking makes a lot of sense for a lot of these trips. 00:33:12
And so we're we're driving a lot of times when we don't necessarily need to. 00:33:21
And largely because the infrastructure doesn't always make it reasonable to ride your bike or walk. 00:33:28
Most normal people so. 00:33:35
The governor offended my program a few years ago, and we created these criteria for. 00:33:39
How we determine what makes infrastructure family friendly. So that's kind of our buzz phrases, family friendly infrastructure and 00:33:46
so basically the overview of that is. 00:33:51
The intensity of infrastructure should reflect the intensity of vehicle traffic and their speeds. So the faster and more there are 00:33:58
of cars, the more infrastructure there should be. So in the neighborhood you would have. 00:34:06
Stuff that is just reinforcing that speed limit. I think you were talking about this, right? This is the good stuff. So this is 00:34:15
where a lot of cities can build a lot of just to reinforce that speed limit. 00:34:21
And then as we get more into your urban environment and as I'm going through this, I'm realizing that like then you're just doing 00:34:29
this stuff. So keep doing it. Like your downtown has a lot of these cycle tracks built into the the plants and it makes a lot of 00:34:36
sense because as that the speeds increase in the number of cars increase. So with the infrastructure, so you'd have things like 00:34:44
cycle tracks, there's different low cost options that you could build into your transportation system. You could even use cars. 00:34:51
And then as speeds get really high and you get a lot of cars, then you would put a separated multi use path. 00:35:02
So that's what I mean by increasing the intensity of infrastructure. And one last thing, there's this picture from Copenhagen and 00:35:09
their their mode share is about 50% walking and biking and then 50% cars. And I like this picture because you can kind of see the 00:35:16
way they have built an infrastructure at least on this street is like 50% walking and biking and a 50% cars, right. And so the 00:35:23
moral there for me at least is you get what you build, right? 00:35:30
So if you want to have people walking and biking, you build for walking and biking and we're seeing that that is actually playing 00:35:37
out in the data. 00:35:41
Thanks. Questions. 00:35:46
I think it's great you have Vineyard. We're trying to put in a lot of these things, which I'd love to see. 00:35:50
And I don't have any questions. Any of you guys have any questions? 00:35:57
I'd like to add in skating today. Hiking and skating. Like when I skateboarding, building. Yeah, I skate every day with my 00:36:04
daughter. That's nice. Supervisory Commission. Could feel free to come to the mic and give a comment too. 00:36:12
Or a question? 00:36:21
I just had a question because I didn't understand the term. 00:36:24
I think you said street light. Did I get that correct? Yeah, it's just the name of the company. It's a company name. Yeah, it's a 00:36:29
bad name. I think it's a confusing. 00:36:33
Because I wasn't understanding if it related to streetlights or what. So thank you. Yeah, I don't know why they did that. 00:36:40
Question for you, Chris, if I may. What do your recommendation for Bring your life? Where would be a starting point to begin to 00:36:50
utilize a tool like this? 00:36:54
Yeah. So ours was kind of interesting because. 00:37:00
We had unlimited zones. So like we could create some of those visual visualizations that had a bunch of hexagons like that 00:37:04
wouldn't be normal to do. So like even U dot doesn't get like that kind of stuff because it's wildly expensive. Like to get what 00:37:10
we got it would be like 100,000 plus. 00:37:16
But I'm like a free consultant. So what we did when we had it was we did like a bunch of experiments to sort of figure out how you 00:37:23
could target specific areas. So if you ever did get streetlight data, would be more than happy to kind of come in and help you 00:37:31
figure out how best to use the data. And like some of the consultancies around the state have been coming to us to figure out how 00:37:39
best to use their data. So we'd be happy to help you, but I would say like focus on your downtown core. 00:37:47
Or your your downtown areas as that gets built out to kind of figure out how people are writing because generally like suburban 00:37:55
environments, people aren't riding that much according to street light data. 00:38:01
I was wondering, so we have a lot of trails in Vineyard UM. 00:38:09
How we can improve them, because we're talking about that a lot. Any suggestions on how we can improve our trail connections or 00:38:13
how they interact with the road, if you've seen them at all? Yeah, I've I've read on some of yours one of the things we find. So 00:38:19
like if you think about the Murdoch Canal or the Drone River Pkwy, it's really nice while you're riding on it and then you get 00:38:25
spewed out into the the car infrastructure and then it's like really uncomfortable. It's really unsafe or at least it feels that 00:38:31
way and so. 00:38:37
I would say thinking about those errors and thinking about. 00:38:43
Where people are going to ride and creating Safe routes to those locations, so grocery stores, schools, things like that. We're 00:38:49
actually applying to the state for safe Routes to School grant program that we would run. I don't know if it's going to happen, 00:38:56
but we asked for a lot of money. So that could be like a good option for you guys to apply for that grant and I like you also. 00:39:03
Yeah, one of the things that I thought about with bike transportation that. 00:39:12
I think invented. We've done a lot to look with internally, but I but I think a lot about our connections with neighboring 00:39:20
communities especially with alarm and like. 00:39:24
You know, we have, we have our own elementary schools, but we send kids to middle school and to high school in Orem. 00:39:30
And like, I have a son in middle school right now and for him to bike from Orem Junior in the Vineyard. 00:39:36
And so that we'll have to rely on some of those connections across into Orem that is not as bike friendly. And so that might be 00:40:15
something to to look at to down the road is how we can strengthen those connections to some of those those destinations that we 00:40:23
don't have any other, we have any other option, but we're going to have to cross into other communities. And I would also say like 00:40:31
protect the things you have that are special because there's a trend over the past I guess 50 years. 00:40:38
Of consolidating things like schools and kicking them out of the individual neighborhoods, different things like that. If you have 00:40:47
a grocery store that's local, help them go spend your money there because those things all help having it locally and there's a 00:40:54
lot of influence to make it more car centered and further those distances and these sort of. 00:41:01
Agnostic on things like what you're talking about, like what barriers exist for us to actually get to those locations by biking 00:41:11
and walking? 00:41:14
I have a question, Chris. 00:41:20
So I should introduce myself. So I'm Brian Perez. I was a city planner. How can St. like data inform intersection design? Because 00:41:23
we're that's something that we've been thinking about lately. 00:41:29
Yes. So you can create like I was talking about, you can create those zones and you can look at different. 00:41:36
Like. 00:41:45
Variables as far as like what direction people are going or what speed they're going. 00:41:47
That would make sense if you were trying to do it over a lot of different intersections and you wanted to kind of see how fast 00:41:55
people were traveling through them. And then you could couple it with like crash data and things like that that you could get from 00:42:00
U dot. And these are all things we could help with as well if it came to that point. 00:42:05
Thank you so much, Chris. 00:42:15
All right, moving on to 5.2 Bike Park and state funding. 00:42:19
Give me a bike and skate parks and state funding. 00:42:28
Actually stick around for this. 00:42:35
Yes. 00:42:41
Have you started the Escape Advisory Committee yet? It's on its way. 00:42:47
I don't think we'd get anything done. 00:42:56
I. 00:43:00
So again, Brian Perez. I work as a planner. 00:43:03
Basically what we want this. 00:43:09
Part of the meeting to be is this an update, 1 update you guys on where the city is at with its bike Bike Park initiative and 00:43:13
where we are on the design. So we have two companies that we've been working with that have provided us these renderings. And so 00:43:20
the two companies are Progressive Bike Ramp and American Ramp Company. 00:43:27
Umm. This design is in Vivid Grove, to the east of the parking lot. 00:43:36
Initially they provided a design that not only gave like this outdoor biking trails and ramps and things like that, but it also 00:43:44
included a skate park and a pump track. Pump track is like a it's like a a bike park, but you could also be used by like scooters 00:43:50
and. 00:43:56
Skateboards and things like that and what it what it's meant to do, it's it's supposed to, you're supposed to use your momentum as 00:44:05
you go up and down these little hills to go around the track. 00:44:09
They're really cool facilities. They're not. They were not included as a part of this finalized plan just yet because there was 00:44:14
issues about location and impact and things like that. 00:44:20
And various people on the Planning Commission on the Council iterated that there could be desires to have facilities like that in 00:44:28
the downtown, so it was not included in this. 00:44:35
So. 00:44:43
Another thing to say about this is that this design. 00:44:45
We still haven't finalized on any funding yet. The specific design could be as much as 2922 and 1/2. 00:44:52
So where we're going to secure funding is a conversation I would like to open up and we can show you ideas that we are kind of 00:45:02
thinking about. 00:45:06
Umm, this. I'll get to him in a second. This location is this concept is not sunstone. It could still probably change a little 00:45:11
bit. 00:45:18
We are. We are concerned about the impacts that this even though it doesn't have the skate park or the punk track, we're still 00:45:25
concerned about how it'll impact the surrounding neighborhoods. 00:45:30
But it is something you know when and where we choose to put it we love. The idea of the concept is really awesome. It provides 00:45:36
like a trail around I think like almost like a mile long trail just around this design. The the jump, the jumps that are there 00:45:43
like different levels of difficulty. There's like a beginner and intermediate and in advance. 00:45:50
They're supposed to be a bicycle playground where people can just come together and just kind of skate or sorry, ride their bikes 00:45:58
together. And as you can see, there's a bunch of different styles of ramps. 00:46:03
And things that people could use. So we worked really closely with the American Ram Company and with Progressive Vicomte to to 00:46:08
have them produce a design that we really love and that could work in the city. But there's still a lot of unanswered questions 00:46:15
yet in terms of location, budget and just a scope how how big we want this to be. So we will get back to you guys as we continue 00:46:22
to bring some prime department on on location and things like that. 00:46:29
We did want to talk about, so I'll get into the details of funding. 00:46:38
This will probably be mostly funded by grants and and we have to begin to put our eyes and ears, you know, in different places to 00:46:43
see where we can get money. I did speak to you, the city manager or the acting city manager, George Wright. And he said that 00:46:51
there's potential that rap tax money could be used to supplement the funding of of this park and other recreational facilities we 00:46:58
do have, I believe in Kashmir. You can correct me if I'm wrong. 00:47:06
We did receive an outdoor recreation grant that I would need to talk to Catherine Newman to see if there's any potential that that 00:47:15
grant could be or part of that grant could be used for something like this. 00:47:20
But yeah, I guess to to. I wanted to take this after me to invite. 00:47:29
The Commission and especially the Bicycle Advisory Commission to begin to look for opportunities or there might might be grants 00:47:35
and This is why I wanted to ask Chris because he's very closely involved with active transportation. If if you have any ideas for 00:47:41
where we could get grants for a project like this, we would appreciate any anything that you could forward to us either now in the 00:47:48
future any information would be would be great. 00:47:54
Yeah, well, not just for a pump track, but for for this kind of thing. So this is a bike park where I'm trying to use a bike park. 00:48:03
I can show up a couple more images as well. 00:48:07
But also like a State Park, there was an element of this that was supposed to be a skate park with a pump track. Those two 00:48:13
elements were taken away from this and now we only have the bike, the bike ramp for now, the bike park for now. 00:48:20
So. 00:48:27
Brian, what were the other locations that are being considered that you mentioned this is? 00:48:30
Around the Grove Park, east of it and so on, Yeah, as far as I know, the only other location that we've honed in on is somewhere 00:48:34
in the downtown along the lakefront, which would be a really awesome location. So comment on the talking with flagship. 00:48:42
The Geneva park, I think is what it's called in that N section and that little triangle can't be irrigated when I talked to him a 00:48:53
few weeks ago. 00:48:58
And so that kind of seems like, if we're going to do a dirt bike, dirt. 00:49:04
Track for bikes, that would make the most sense in my mind to do it on a place that a has hills and stuff so there's more 00:49:09
variation and we can't be irrigated. So I feel like personally that makes more sense. And then my second comment is I think that a 00:49:18
skate park is awesome in downtown, but a pump track makes way more sense in an area like Grove Park because. 00:49:27
Give them more inclined to use on track. 00:49:37
Multiple things. Scooters, skateboards, more things can use it. It can be used year round. If it's raining it can still be used. 00:49:42
It doesn't track mud anywhere. I think for an area like Grove Park a pump track would make way more sense. And and they're pretty 00:49:49
reasonably priced. Not $2,000,000. 00:49:57
But those are my thoughts. I I think that it. 00:50:06
Yeah, that's my thoughts. Yeah. No, those are great thoughts. Yeah, absolutely. So again, about location, at one time we were 00:50:10
considering just right here near the City Hall, just South and east of here. Has that one gone away or gone away? We just haven't 00:50:16
like made an official decision or been able to present official potential decisions to the council and have them provide their 00:50:23
full input on on where they want it, because it just seems like not so much where we would want it, but to give the council some 00:50:29
options. 00:50:36
Of locations and what that location could offer. 00:50:43
More so than, say, here's the park, where can we put it? It seems to me that it would be effective to look at what places are 00:50:46
possible and within those, what is possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that's exactly the direction that Morgan wants to take this. 00:50:53
So in the near future, we want to be able to provide the council and the Planning Commission like maybe four or five potential 00:51:01
places where it could go and and be able to give this up unless it's being considered more actively for something else. 00:51:08
Right, right. This space here is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a great spot. One thing that we also liked about that 00:51:16
location was surveillance right next to the City Hall and next to the Sheriff's Office. It was a good spot to. 00:51:22
For the Sheriff's Department to keep an eye on things and just make sure that all the kids are safe and everyone's behaving 00:51:29
properly and everything. So there were a lot of positives. Yes, yes, that this location makes a lot more sense for like a skate 00:51:34
park or a pump track. Something like this is big. That's what, 9 acres? 00:51:40
Yeah, yeah. They're about, yeah, nine or ten, yeah. 00:51:46
I never knew about the assignments. I mentioned this earlier. Sorry is that. 00:51:51
Another challenge that is posed by this location is the fact that it's still technically a wetlands. 00:51:59
And the developer flagship is still in the process of figuring out how they're going to do that delineation. We don't really know 00:52:04
how much time that's going to take for them to be able to tell us yes or no. This is going to stay a wetland. I believe in the 00:52:10
scene, might be able to provide a little bit more details if you have any in the scene, which is that pretty much cover what we 00:52:16
know right now. I'd just like to say that obviously the conversations with the production, we will determine whether the truth is 00:52:22
out there and specifically. 00:52:28
Specifically in regards to that area. 00:52:37
Well. 00:52:43
That and there is some vital steps that has to go through. 00:52:48
Experience in regards to speaking. Experience in regards to. 00:52:53
Weapons, especially coming from Florida where reflances don't throw away or step away that that is a Nike process and it requires 00:52:59
a lot of agency coordination and even after being approved. 00:53:05
About this typically. 00:53:13
Other actions that maybe there would have to be taken in regards to. 00:53:16
You know if there was a percentage that's found and the majority of it is able to beat this now or as they destroy utilize for 00:53:21
something else, that small percentage does go at a cost as well so. 00:53:28
I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm not saying it's not going to go forward, but I would just take it very well for some 00:53:37
patients. 00:53:40
Thanks. Thank you. 00:53:46
Yeah. Any comments from the bicycle committee at all Commission, I guess? 00:53:47
Yeah, if you wouldn't mind coming up to the Yep. 00:53:55
So Mike Houston, I was just curious if there's any alternatives to this? 00:54:01
Running could be an issue in $2,000,000 is too much, is there? 00:54:05
So yeah, that allows us to catch up. 00:54:39
In terms of funding. 00:54:42
Hey there. 00:54:44
Any other comments? 00:54:45
So I would, I guess there would be, there would be a conversation of what we would prioritize like what we feel is most important 00:54:48
of the elements within this design, you know, and see what we want them to do first. I think a lot of that, I mean it depends on 00:54:54
what can we do. So if we want to prioritize something, it'd be kind of silly to prioritize something that we can't do so that the 00:55:01
wetlands aren't an option. It'd be kind of silly to prioritize doing something on the wetlands. 00:55:07
But if if we have another location like again, I feel like the Geneva Park location would be amazing. 00:55:16
Or if we want to scale down and do something smaller like a pump track close by. 00:55:24
Then I think that that would make more sense to prioritize something like that. And also it just seems to me since we have a an 00:55:31
official bicycle advisory committee or council that. 00:55:37
They would be an appropriate body to give us some options and to give us some priorities. 00:55:45
You know, from that perspective, and I know they may not handle skate and they may not handle other parts of it. I don't know. 00:55:51
Yeah. So it has wheels you think about. All right. So it just seemed like it would be a good use of of that committees expertise 00:56:00
to have them come to you or to us with. 00:56:06
If this is going to be if we can only do $800,000, what what would we want first? 00:56:14
Yeah. And and we may give up some of this, this seems like an ideal park that would incorporate a lot of things, but maybe that's 00:56:21
not where we're going. 9 acres is a lot of space, given that we don't even have a cemetery yet. 00:56:28
In Vineyard and we're only asking for four acres, talking about priorities, right. So yeah, talk about priorities. I mean, I'm 00:56:37
moving in that direction. So $10 looking out for the cemetery, not for a long time. I haven't got any ideas then. So but I guess 00:56:44
the point I'm making is maybe there would be the right body to spend some effort. 00:56:51
And give you or us those options in those phases or those priorities, yeah, I think that would be a great topic that we can begin 00:56:58
to prepare to discuss or address in our upcoming meeting. So we decided that as a Bicycle Advisory Commission to meet, we're 00:57:05
meeting once or four times in the years every quarter. Now we're going to be meeting a little more frequently. So we're going to 00:57:12
meet every two months on the 3rd, on the 1st Thursday of the third Thursday of the month, sorry. 00:57:19
So yeah, no, thank you for the suggestion. We'll take that to heart for sure. Umm. 00:57:26
There's another thing. 00:57:32
As for a different concept, Mike, so we. 00:57:34
We had that original concept that included the the skate park and the pump track and all this that you see here. 00:57:39
Because there was concerns with like just too much activity in one area, we had to ask the designer to go back and and present us 00:57:48
some more simple drawing and take away the the skate parking contract. But I think at this point we have exhausted at least what 00:57:55
we've paid them in terms of of what they've been able to design with, with the money that that we paid them. And so if we did go 00:58:02
back and ask for a totally different concept, it would they would, yeah. So I do think that they should all be separate. 00:58:09
Because if you combine a dirt track with paved tracks and cement tracks, then they start to get naked, They get really dirty, 00:58:16
dirty. And yeah, so that that would be a problem. Plus, I mean, you don't want to concentrate it. You want to have as many 00:58:23
activities spread out throughout the possible. And again, Geneva Park can't be a cemetery and it can't be soccer fields because of 00:58:31
the way, I mean, they covered up a bunch of waste. It can't. 00:58:38
Be any of that. So again, another plug for this would be the like. I can't think of anything else. 00:58:46
That would. 00:58:51
Could go there besides something like this, but tell us how you really feel. So Geneva Park. 00:58:52
No. Yeah. It's a great idea. I think. I so, yeah. 00:59:00
Please, please, kid. 00:59:07
So I'm kidding. I'm on the Bicycle Advisory Commission and I just pulled up. I just want to make a point, like we talked about 00:59:13
bike infrastructure, which I am really passionate about. I don't have a car, so I ride my bike to arm for work every day, and I 00:59:18
think that's. 00:59:24
A huge well, for one, it's a huge reason why I moved in there. But two, I think it's a just a huge benefit to the community is 00:59:30
having options and so we're not dependent on cars everywhere we go. But I also think and I just pulled up because I've known this 00:59:37
but I didn't know the numbers, just bicycle centered activities and trails like this and just other activities where there's a 00:59:45
pump track or skate park I just wanted to point to. 00:59:52
Benville, Arkansas as a case study and I just pulled this up and it's a couple years old. But I just wanted to show as we think 01:00:00
about this and we think like, wow, a $2,000,000 price tag is a lot. 01:00:05
It would also bring a lot of outside people intervening it and economic. There would be a lot of economic impact to the city. And 01:00:10
just for Danville, AR, Walmart has and just the city has poured in a lot of resources into their trail network and their bicycle 01:00:17
infrastructure. 01:00:24
And with an interesting number of locals and tourists taking advantage of its network of trails, bicycling provided $137,000,000 01:00:31
in economic benefits to Northwest Arkansas in 2017, and $27 million of that was spent at local businesses. And so just just 01:00:38
thinking through that too, I don't know how we can put an economic number like an ROI to some of this stuff, but I think that is 01:00:44
something that we. 01:00:51
As a City Council or Planning Commission can also consider and looked as we're doing the research and and just vetting out options 01:00:58
like this. Like what? 01:01:03
Yes, it provides residents with recreational opportunities, which is awesome, but also can it be an economic boost for for the 01:01:08
city? So I just wanted to share that. So yeah, absolutely. I definitely agree with that. It can be a huge economic boost and it 01:01:15
helps the demographic in our community, young adults and teenagers. 01:01:22
That are at high risk for suicide rates and stuff. It gives them options to get outside and to meet other people and I think that 01:01:31
it's something. 01:01:35
Ever. Like every city needs activities like that where that's for people that are just on their own, that aren't necessarily part 01:01:40
of a sports team or something, somewhere where they can go and they can be terrible at it, but they can still meet people and have 01:01:45
fun. 01:01:50
Yeah, absolutely. 01:01:56
So to close on this, so we we basically just wanted you guys to know that we haven't forgotten about this project. Like we've 01:02:01
invested money already into this and getting a design. We're still like I said we're we've got some more things to figure out in 01:02:07
terms of the budgeting and the and the location and things like that. But we're still working on it and we'll continue to provide. 01:02:14
Reports and work together with our, with our governing bodies to to figure this out, because we do want this. 01:02:21
Oh yeah, sure, they're very similar to this, they're just from different angles, the renderings. 01:02:28
I like that water one. 01:02:38
So there's this one. This is looking from the north, looking South. 01:02:42
And then I got one more. 01:02:47
This is just an aerial of what it would look like. 01:02:54
Yeah. 01:03:00
Andrew, right. 01:03:14
I'm Andrew from the Bicycle Kitty. I know when we discussed this in the past, we've talked about also making it kind of like a. 01:03:20
Oh yeah, it might be here. It might around. Because this is, this is the bicycle playground area right here. And there used to be 01:04:01
a pavilion in the in the previous design, right? Right in one of these somewhere pads right here. But. 01:04:07
Yeah, we can make make sure to mention that still. 01:04:13
Yeah, right, right. Yeah. But that no that idea hasn't hasn't died still on the on the plate so so this is this is gravel gravel 01:04:17
and dirt I think mostly dirt yeah, yeah. And and wood. There's some wood elements. 01:04:26
Some ramps and things, I don't know what the names of them curves. 01:04:36
Having lived here and seeing the windstorms we have, is that something that that this would? 01:04:42
Create around those neighborhoods where they're gonna have heavy winds. They're everywhere. I don't know what the answer to that 01:04:48
is. I can ask Megan. So from my understanding, a lot of this would still be vegetation, and it's such compacted dirt, but it 01:04:54
wouldn't be like the kind of dirt that's just blowing around. 01:05:01
I understand that this picture looks very green, which is very exciting, but in reality my guess is this would not be an irrigated 01:05:10
space and it would all be brown and. 01:05:17
Wheaty am I correct? And dirty, dirty dirt essentially even where we see green. And also I think potentially you could plant trees 01:05:26
in some of. 01:05:32
The negative area where you could. 01:05:39
Shield has more privacy and some nature, but essentially this is not going to be a green area. This would be we would save our 01:05:43
water, am I right? 01:05:48
Because there's not any attention. Yeah, it would destroy the trails, right? Yeah. 01:05:54
Yeah, I don't know. I just want to point out if anyone's listening or seeing this. 01:06:04
In the public. This is a false representation of what that would actually look like. 01:06:08
I would say that another layer of design on this would need to be like a landscape architect, you know or something like that that 01:06:12
could address that side of it, you know? 01:06:17
Irrigation plantings or non irrigation and plantings. And not just and regardless of where it was in this area, would it take up a 01:06:22
bunch of dust for the residents that would run it? Absolutely. 01:06:28
Would that be as much of a problem in Geneva Park? Probably about the same issue, but also maybe nobody cares that much about it 01:06:35
up there as they would down here. 01:06:40
I'm just saying, I like that you need a quick idea. Yeah. Geneva Park can't be anything else. That's going to be best no matter 01:06:47
what. 01:06:50
Yeah, yeah, another plague for anything in the park. 01:06:53
So, yeah, stay tuned, yes. 01:06:58
Whenever we open up to staff reports, I do have something I wanted to share with you. So yeah, we'll move into staff reports, 01:07:00
Commission member and stuff. OK, cool. 01:07:05
So we were on AI was on a on a call this this morning with ARM some of the arm planners and they are presenting. 01:07:10
I guess they they're inviting us to participate in a troll corridor connection project. So they have a trail that is running from 01:07:21
800 N into like the Canyon to Provo Canyon and it connects with like the Bonneville Shoreline Trail and it also connects them to 01:07:28
like the Murdoch. But there's a gap between US and and and them and so they're inviting us to to partner to complete that that 01:07:36
section along veneer connector. 01:07:43
And eventually connected into our shoreline trails that we're going to that we're going to be developing a lot with waterfront 01:07:51
plant. 01:07:55
And so we're like super excited. We want to partner up with them again funding these questions. So we'll work together with them 01:08:00
to see where we're going to find sources of funding. 01:08:05
Listen, I'm sorry to interview, do you remember where the potential funding options? 01:08:11
For us could come for that project. 01:08:16
Yes, Sir. There's an, it's through the Utah Governors Economic Development office, remember where there's an outdoor recreation 01:08:19
grant. That's right. And also the Mountain Association of Governments has funding that that we can use, but we have to provide 01:08:28
like a strategy that they can then incorporate into their regional transportation plan before they're able to receive funding for 01:08:36
those connections. So we we're going to keep working with Oren to to create a plan to make those connections and then they can. 01:08:44
They and US can secure funding for that. 01:08:53
Gonna be awesome because the Australian trail leads them to some of the trails and ornament. Provo. I forget where all the trail 01:08:56
names are but he he he gave me a map that shows how it would all function as a giant loop in the central Utah region and we're 01:09:03
we're pumped to be able to participate in that. So. So you'll you'll hear more about that in the future as well. All right. Cool. 01:09:10
Thank you. Thanks. Any Commissioner, I I have something about that. So First off. 01:09:18
Commissioner Jenkins did go to an event. This is a regarding training. 01:09:26
He went to a let me find out the name of it real quick. 01:09:32
Summit where they just discussed whether the project ongoing projects and cleanup and restoration with that lake. I'm sure if you 01:09:38
said more to it, but that just gets into that. We we do have training for the planning commissioners and upcoming we do have Ato 01:09:45
Utah this year it's going to be down in Kanab and it is in March on the 23rd to the 25th. So that's AI believe a Wednesday through 01:09:53
Friday. So if any of you are interested in going you can contact me and I can get tickets for that. 01:10:00
OK, yeah, if you can send this information like, e-mail it to. 01:10:08
Cool. Anything else? 01:10:13
Do you have that? 01:10:20
Can I remind you to post official online please? 01:10:22
Thank you, Sir. I do not believe. 01:10:28
That word. 01:10:30
So there are just few updates and in the spirit of multimodal transportation, we have and this has been posted on our Facebook 01:10:40
page as well. So, so it's been out to the public that ETA is going Arizona, we just pulled up myself and my DTA is doing a bus 01:10:49
route 8 menu, bus route at 8:34, bus route, there we go, super close changes to route 834. 01:10:58
Let's go talk about online in April 2022 and this particular bus track goes through, goes through Vineyard and if you can Scroll 01:11:07
down Sir. 01:11:12
So it has. There's a summary of what the proposed changes are, but. 01:11:19
The frequencies the extension into the extension serves a new front, the new venue front runner station. 01:11:24
And and then of course it's ETA. 01:11:32
Once we've been here to kind of see where the riderships would be and of course you know running down along the Center St. 01:11:38
particularly around Center St. and making sure that we have stops near our parks where they're walking. We go very closely at 01:11:43
least where we're walking distance of our park. So making sure that we're serving, you know, making sure we're serving public to 01:11:48
get to the hot spots which. 01:11:53
You know in order to reduce the need for them to walk further and sometimes that that they're accepting public comments through 01:12:00
their what through our website is up there. So I request you to change there. 01:12:06
So that's one thing. I just want to make sure that it's out there. 01:12:13
As well as with the just an update for the Vineyard Frontrunner station with the weekly updates that we've been having to say 01:12:18
we've been having with ETA and the ETA contractor. 01:12:24
The on Track Pun Attendant. 01:12:30
To open to finish construction in March, February, February, February, early March at the station and with. 01:12:35
With service starting in April 2022, the reason with the delay of the sanction completion the and the service is as you can see on 01:12:45
those April, the April, the April month is when they actually ETA actually has a change of services. 01:12:53
Change of services with their drivers and so forth. So that's kind of lining up to that without the downtown area is moving 01:13:04
forward without the infrastructure development. 01:13:08
Other than quite a lot of paving prior to the cold season and then now with the with the season warming up. 01:13:13
They're hanging down their infrastructure developments and then we're looking at extending the pavement along there. So in 01:13:20
essence. 01:13:24
There are developers providers phase one, phase two allow the infrastructure and then we receive phase three infrastructure 01:13:30
designs and then the developers also looking at starting building construction this construction season. So you'll see a lot of 01:13:38
movement in the downtown area which will be you know obviously the vineyards are urbanized you know hub so beginner connector 01:13:46
project to which is again focusing on transportation video connector project. 01:13:54
Is a new dog project with the city moving forward on. They provide us the first set of finalized plans for review to the city, 01:14:02
which the city staff will be reviewing, but in essence the alignment. 01:14:10
The alignment hasn't changed and so forth. I presented the work at last City Council work session and all kind of outlining the 01:14:19
schedule with the estimated start of construction being this construction season, where they estimate completion being in 2023. 01:14:26
There's a overpass that goes along with it to connect to downtown. 01:14:33
The promenade to the waterfront area. 01:14:41
Which represented the other change on that was a delayed start of the of the overpass found out overpass the memory just so that 01:14:44
the designers the city of Utah can actually spend some time to do proper designs and proper reviews that's not going to impact the 01:14:52
being a connector project and and we see a separation of completion times to be roughly about 68 months on that. 01:15:01
Things are moving along here, Vineyard. Yeah, thank you. Kind of surprised that this plan that it's not going down Mill Rd. 01:15:12
especially with the megaplex and Top Golf and everything seems like that would make more sense. I'll have to make a comment. Any 01:15:17
other Commission member reports or ex parte discussion? 01:15:22
I just wanted to make a comment for I guess for the record. 01:15:29
We. 01:15:35
We just lost another vineyard citizen. 01:15:37
To death a couple of days ago who's who was 75 years old, so he's up there with me. 01:15:41
He's been to the Planning Commission meetings in the past and he's made public comment and he stood at the pulpit. And so he's 01:15:50
taking a fairly active role in some of our concerns. And this is Jim Brinton. 01:15:57
A retired medical doctor just passed away Monday with a massive heart attack. Immediately died. So I just wanted to make that here 01:16:05
because we won't be seeing Jim anymore. At least I hope we don't. 01:16:12
See him here anymore? He's a good friend of mine, but he's he's had an active role in a lot of our meetings in the past, so we 01:16:20
won't see him anywhere. 01:16:25
Thank you, Tim. 01:16:33
All right. And it's there. Have any more comments then we'll adjourn the meeting. 01:16:35
Thanks everybody. Thank you. Vice chair and chair. Thank you. 01:16:40
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Everybody. It is January 19th, 2022, and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:16
Alright, time everybody to order. 00:00:24
So we'll get right into it, I. 00:00:29
Would actually I will give the opening prayer. 00:00:33
Do you have your father with him? For that? We can be here today for Planning Commission meeting. Please pass this as we discussed 00:00:39
these things that are on our agenda that we'll feel inspired as to what the right decisions are. And we're so thankful for this 00:00:45
community that we live in, for the people that volunteer their time and effort and the citizens that make this such a great place. 00:00:51
And Father, we love thee and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:00:57
All right. We'll move on to minutes. For minutes for approval. Do I have a motion? I think we can do that. Open session. My bad. 00:01:04
We're moving to an open session. If you have any comments, you'd like to come forward and. 00:01:13
Making comments David? Cool. 00:01:19
So long. 00:01:31
OK. 00:01:52
By the way. 00:01:59
Lots of light on it. 00:02:05
No. 00:02:07
Well, I've lost that. Just make sure you state your name real quick. 00:02:10
Hi, I'm David Loray. 00:02:18
I live on Holdaway Road. 00:02:21
And so I wanted to. 00:02:25
I want to share with the with Commission a petition that is currently going around the whole way Rd. in which we've got the over 00:02:27
have about 2/3 of the of the people have signed it so far affirmative and and the rest of them are. 00:02:35
Have them at home. So we'll we'll get them in a minute here but anyway I wanted to I want to share with this share the. 00:02:43
I learned it as a looked at the program for tonight that this is me focusing on bicycles and so I thought I would bring this and 00:02:52
share it with you. There's an effort to create a bicycle Blvd. or a bike way on Holdaway Road. 00:03:00
It's a it's a perfect place to have have a bike way because it's you know it's probably one of the only stretches of Rd. that's 00:03:08
you know when it's not stop signs and and other things in the way that it's a nice straightaway and so it's a nice place to ride. 00:03:16
It's if we were to create a bike with there, we would actually be linking up the southern part of the city with the northern part 00:03:23
of the city so it'd be a safe place for people to bike and to walk. 00:03:30
Right now, Overlay Rd. is traditionally used as a as a bicycle and a pedestrian thoroughfare, but it's but more and more. There's 00:03:38
been more and more traffic there, and it's it's was never meant to be a Collector Rd. but it's being used as such if you look at 00:03:44
every city map that the city has posted. 00:03:51
It's always listed as a neighborhood Rd. not a Collector Rd. The collector owner is Vineyard Rd. over by a little further to the 00:03:57
to the east on the other side of the park. That's the Collector Rd. is designated for this that part of the city and so and and 00:04:04
because more of our people are going that way it's becoming more and more dangerous to walk and bicycle there and so we would. 00:04:11
Part of the reason for creating a bias for Blvd. would be a safe space for the people who are biking and and and walking. 00:04:20
Also, there's a number of children who you know, walk that way to go to school and and and during that rush hour when it's school 00:04:28
time, you know there, there are all sorts of cars flying through there. 00:04:34
We we had we asked the council to install some electronic speed science a couple years ago which they did and we we still find 00:04:42
that the you know that people are still violating speed on this and especially during that rush hour when when when when moms are 00:04:47
are. 00:04:53
Rushing to school to drop off their kids while they're trying to negotiate, keeping other kids and quiet and so forth. It's just 00:04:59
it's not a really safe place without really focused on driving a lot of women and just and and there have been lots of really 00:05:06
close calls. I myself was out there you know reading the next to the street as I was getting up. I, you know I had a. 00:05:13
I have my hand out and a car hit me and I just it just and it happens all the time. My wife's had it happen to her a couple times. 00:05:22
It's just not safe. 00:05:27
And we've talked to the city over and over about this and and that they don't really have a solution, but we like to pose this as 00:05:34
I think a very workable solution. One will benefit the city and we want to be a city that fosters active transportation and and 00:05:41
this is a way to do it and this, this will really connect a lot of trails that are right now not connected. 00:05:48
This one dedicated trails right there at the end of at the North End of Holy Rd. If you cross the street there they take off as 00:06:30
boardwalks and trails there and there and this will this will link up with those. It would basically connect a lot of our trail 00:06:38
network but right now is disconnected and it would be a way of of of of creating an environment that would be safe and a a way of 00:06:46
being able to be used by families and and and not just most people are willing to brave the traffic. 00:06:54
So it's we think it's a great solution. 00:07:02
It's traffic at least a bicycle boulevards have been have been designated in several cities you know throughout the West and 00:07:06
they've been successful. We've also have examples in Provo and Salt Lake City where they've been used successfully as well. We 00:07:13
think it's we think it's it's it's a forward-looking way of handling the situation and we we think vineyard will be would be very 00:07:20
much benefited by this. 00:07:26
And so we wanted to get make you aware of that and and and as if we could ask that the the bicycle Advisory Committee be notified 00:07:34
of this and and give information about it and perhaps the see if they would like to tell sponsor it cool. Awesome. Thank you David 00:07:40
this is very cool. 00:07:45
Anthony's not here tonight, but I'm sure he'd be super in favor of this also. Yeah, I think it's great. And yeah, I feel your pain 00:07:54
with the holdaway Rd. stuff. Even on the Elms, you have people think that the Elms connect and they'll zoom through and then zoom 00:08:00
back, but it's a million times worse for you guys. So it is alright. Yeah. Cool. Thank you so much. Bye. Bye. Has has the city 00:08:05
seen this? Have you guys seen any of this yet? So if you're talking about them or to the petition that was just passed out, we 00:08:11
have not seen it and seen that, so. 00:08:17
Thank you, Sir. 00:08:24
And also just to speak in regards to. 00:08:28
During what was it back a couple of weeks ago? During as part of the whole way of Hallway Farms application? 00:08:33
The developer has conducted a traffic study of. 00:08:43
Generations for the surrounding areas, for the surrounding streets and also to include for Holloway Farms. Excuse me, Holy Roads 00:08:51
specifically for traffic. 00:08:56
On that and then. 00:09:01
And of course I know that the fire department has this this summary slots the slides that were for that for sure that a lot of the 00:09:03
traffic without connectivity of Main Street and 400 SA lot of the traffic as you hold the way road to in order to access veneer at 00:09:11
the elementary on that When it comes down to your speeders obviously when it comes to speeding speed there was an issue and I I'm 00:09:20
a big advocate of people actually driving slow and especially. 00:09:28
Residential areas on that. So definitely as a medical follow up with the Sheriff's Office in order for them to enforce the traffic 00:09:37
laws regardless whether it's on Holiday Road or anywhere else in the Vineyard. 00:09:44
On that but the traffic says that they would provide was about 14116 vehicles per day was their average daily trips along Holiday 00:09:51
Rd. With the majority of it being going to morning and evening peak hours which reflects to roughly around school traffic time 00:09:59
time frame. So we really got part of the solution is. 00:10:08
Connectivity for railways to give people options in order so they utilize. 00:10:19
With smaller roads being one whole way Rd. smaller roads less and that you 2 lives like the larger roads that we have now that we 00:10:23
have in place as part of that. In regards to what I haven't read about in regards to Pike Blvd. I I don't have a comment on that 00:10:31
unless actually we're actually seeing what they proposed. So how would it be proposed but I know that and and essence and the 00:10:38
engineering department specifically, I mean we will help direct. 00:10:46
Decisions. 00:10:54
Whichever direction for the best, for the best public safety and best of the public good. And that's assuming that. 00:10:56
Holdaway Farms thing passes or goes through I guess. 00:11:05
I'm not sticking that on that assumption. I'm just taking that. I mean again speaking specifically on technical terms and not lock 00:11:10
down anything else. I'm just talking about specifically about connectivity. So whether it's that that particular app location or 00:11:16
anything else that connectivity for Main Street and foreigners South. 00:11:22
It would be forever. 00:11:30
Gonna be very viable. 00:11:33
Part of the solution, I'll say, part of the solution, like I say, there's a solution, yeah, that would be it would help out as 00:11:36
part of that. So community in general is very healthy for helping alleviate traffic throughout the city. Is the city in talks at 00:11:43
all with Orem as far as the Vineyard Rd. In 400 S Connections, so Vineyard, Vineyard S, Vineyard Rd. Yeah, Yeah. So that would be 00:11:49
on the east side of the park. I mean there's. 00:11:56
Season deck. The connection there. Let me just take a look at my mouth. 00:12:05
Point out that that linear Rd. was not included in that traffic study though, so that was the didn't even consider it and so it 00:12:08
should have been part of that. 00:12:13
So if you're asking if if we're talking about there's really again that's a public, that's a public Rd. So my understanding 00:12:22
Warren's not preventing any kind of flow through that. So when we go from the new road north. 00:12:31
Towards Center St. and that is a I guess that would be a longer, that's a longer route and of course there is construction 00:12:40
development for probably one that's that's that's occurring through there as well. It's I think the main concern or the reason a 00:12:47
lot of people drive on Holdaway Road is because getting out from Vineyard Rd. onto Florida South is almost impossible at certain 00:12:55
times of the day. And so if we can work something out with Orem, some kind of. 00:13:02
Anything for a solution there? I think that that would make not only make this possible, but alleviate a lot of traffic at the 00:13:10
very least on Homewood Rd. 00:13:14
So, umm. 00:13:19
Yeah. One thing I wanted to comment to on that to think about is what we want to do with Holdaway Rd. is that there are still some 00:13:21
of the Homestead, there's Homesteads Pod 2 and Homesteads Pod 11 that would connect potentially on to Hoodaway Rd. I don't know 00:13:28
what their plans are. They can't. 00:13:35
Connect Rd. wise, Trail wise, they can. That addresses the concern. 00:13:41
And a comment also on on this in the Vineyard Heritage Commission, we did receive a very broad and general presentation of this 00:13:47
probably 6 or 8 weeks ago and it had very favorable response there in the Heritage Commission. Those, I don't know what it is, 00:13:57
half mile, quarter of a mile of Holdaway Rd. is about the only remaining part of the community that has still history in it. 00:14:06
And so whatever we can do to preserve. 00:14:16
That historical perspective and so on, whether it's a Rd. designation, it certainly does have the Vineyard Heritage Commission 00:14:20
support to at least pursue the details of this. 00:14:25
Any other comments from? 00:14:33
If not, we'll move to Minutes of any other public comments, anybody that would like to. 00:14:35
Yes, my name is Christy Welsh. I'm from the Parkside neighborhood. I was driving down the shores today. 00:14:41
And I realized that at the end of. 00:14:48
Center Street, where you're in the Shores, there's no stop signs. Is that? 00:14:53
In the works or is that something we could talk about? Is that and does anyone know in planning? So you're talking about the 00:15:00
Shores neighborhood? 00:15:04
So on their whole street, when they're coming onto, I don't know if that's the same further down in their neighborhood, but there 00:15:07
are no stop signs when you turn either right or left onto Center St. and it's quite if you're heading north on that street to take 00:15:13
a right, there's a fence right there. So you, I mean with no stop sign, you could just, you know, rip around that corner, but you 00:15:19
cannot see. 00:15:25
Anyone coming? And I it's funny because I was dropping off some kids that live in the Shores and they're like, Oh yeah, we think 00:15:32
that's hilarious. 00:15:36
All right. So I'd be curious if that's something. 00:15:40
You know they have those posts there that look like at some. 00:15:45
Really loud. 00:15:49
This is like a lot in the minds up there. 00:15:51
They have those posts that look like at some point, you know, way back when they first took the shores, I believe there was the 00:15:55
intent that there was going to be a date, that it was going to be a gated community. So they built those posts. 00:16:00
But I believe that kind of dropped off the developers ideas and so they still have those posts there. Are there plans to do a 00:16:07
gated community? And if not, why do we have the post there and why don't we have cell phones? 00:16:12
That's my comment. Thanks guys. 00:16:21
So from my understanding, the Shores at one point was going to have an HOA and when that got dissolved, the gated community there 00:16:24
got dissolved. So I don't believe that they have any plans. We haven't heard anything if they're planning on putting any gates 00:16:30
there, but those posts were just put in before that HOA was dissolved. 00:16:36
Is it possible to get some stop sign put in there? Because the more people use the Center St. Lake access right there, the more I 00:16:43
think it's becoming a hazard. I'll let the scene answer that one. 00:16:49
So missing the nursing university engineer, so in regards to the traffic. 00:16:56
A stop sign along with Ashley it will be there are some, there are areas throughout the city in regards to traffic control devices 00:17:03
of that's been the other concern. 00:17:10
And then I actually New Zealand department has had discussions with. 00:17:18
Has discussions with other city staff, finance department and to bring forth budget adjustment to the citywide study. 00:17:24
Control at the top control devices slash Traffic Safety. It's just not. And when I say traffic control devices, I'm not talking 00:17:33
about. 00:17:36
Excuse me traffic signals like wider signals that's very much more detailed study but more of a I'll say a lower level or higher 00:17:41
level study to in order in order to address items such as yield sign stop signs other types of passive traffic studies that I'll 00:17:51
be present to City Council I believe in the first City Council February for for funding for that item. 00:18:00
If a certain State Council members who may be attendance in this room are supportive of that and then I definitely would be 00:18:10
something to push forward with. 00:18:14
All right. 00:18:19
For any other, any other public comments, if not, we'll move on to business item or we'll move on to Minutes for review and 00:18:24
approval. Do I have any? 00:18:28
Motion. 00:18:33
So I left over the minutes, and I'll admit I hadn't been as good at looking at the minutes recently, but these look more sparse 00:18:36
than what we've done before. So there was a I don't know if it was a state code update, but there was an update that requires us 00:18:43
to write a lot less. We just kind of summarize very briefly what happened, but link to. 00:18:50
Media, whether it's audio or video, for people to go back and watch themselves, so it's more of a bookmark. If you want to hear 00:18:58
what happened in this conversation, click on this. 00:19:02
And and listen to it for yourself. 00:19:06
And you can like add in a meeting to have something for on the record. Yeah if if you do stay correct if you do state something 00:19:09
and say I want this on the record we will type that into the minutes and. 00:19:15
Pam Spencer hasn't killed us yet, so I'm pretty clear. 00:19:21
Yeah. 00:20:00
OK. Yeah. All right. So you'll see them next meeting in two months. How's that work? 00:20:01
Yeah, It doesn't say anywhere on the agenda that it's a joint meeting. 00:20:12
Yeah, that was a mistake. We will fix that for next time that happens. OK. Do I have, do I have a motion on the minutes? I move to 00:20:20
approve the minutes? I second the motion. All in favor. Aye. All right. And those were the 3.1 November 3rd, 2021 minutes. All 00:20:27
right, moving on to business item 4.1, an appointment of a new chair and vice chair. So last time we pushed this off from last 00:20:35
year because it was just me and Jeff here and we didn't want to do that. 00:20:42
Two of us. So this is for sitting members only. So sorry, Marcus, you can't vote on this. All right, Chris, Chris is actually a 00:20:50
new planning Commissioner, but he is a city member. Welcome, welcome both of you guys also. 00:20:58
Mercy. 00:21:07
Yeah, yeah. So I. 00:21:11
Yeah, it's been a year. 00:21:15
So I'll, I'll, I'll make a motion actually. 00:21:19
That will appoint Jeff Knight in as the new chairman for the Planning Commission. 00:21:23
So we simply, I mean, you can second that you can do something else if you want it's. 00:21:30
Like dance or yeah, You Can Dance. 00:21:36
No, I I second that motion. All right. 00:21:41
I think we're ready to go. All in favor. Aye, aye. All right. So. 00:21:45
Congratulations, Jeff. Thank you. And then and then for the appointment of a vice chair, same thing, just wait for motion from 00:21:53
somebody. 00:21:58
I know that Tim in the past is not. 00:22:05
So I would I would make a motion that we appoint Bryce as the vice chair. 00:22:11
He has been the chair though, and in the past but. 00:22:25
Yeah. Anything. Yeah, I'll 2nd that. I, I support that because I think we will continue with experience in in that way. So sounds 00:22:29
good to me. All right. All in favor. All right, cool. All right. So the revenue chair and vice chair. 00:22:38
Move to 5.1 in work session, Bike Utah. 00:22:50
Part of this, we were going to have Jim Price from Mags do a presentation. He's actually out sick, so we're going to skip that 00:22:59
part. We still do have Chris Wilson with like Utah here. 00:23:04
So turn it over to them. 00:23:10
Hey Chris, thanks for coming out. It's awesome to have you. And we're super interested in the data that you want to present to us 00:23:20
about street light data and how that can apply to Vineyard. 00:23:25
So we're looking forward to what you got. 00:23:30
Can you hear me cool and. 00:23:32
Is there a way to turn that OK? 00:23:36
I think we're good. 00:23:49
OK. 00:23:51
OK. 00:23:55
The moment you've all been waiting for. 00:23:56
Alright, so. 00:23:59
I wanted to give you kind of a high level overview of what active transportation looks like and what the data says and how 00:24:01
probably a lot of the things your planners are saying are is actually correct and the data backs it up. And I can show you how 00:24:08
that is true. All right, so. 00:24:15
About what was it? Two years ago I applied for this grant from Spin Scooters and it was to access this data package of a bunch of 00:24:23
different platforms and one of the platforms was streetlight data. 00:24:29
And what streetlight data does is it takes cell phone pings. So you're all being tracked by companies, and it takes that data 00:24:37
that's tracking you. And it uses machine learning to determine what mode of transportation you're using. So if you're moving 00:24:44
really fast or within certain speed thresholds, then it can estimate you're riding a bike or you're riding or you're walking or 00:24:52
you're driving in a car. And things like distances are ways for it to take into consideration. 00:25:00
Other variables. So that was the data platform you're using. Normally planners are using like if you hire a consultancy, are there 00:25:08
any in here? No consultants, OK, They're going to use Strava data. Do you guys know what Strava data is? OK, so if you don't know 00:25:14
what it is, it's. 00:25:21
An app you can use to track your workout. So like if you go for a bike ride, you can track how far, how fast, how many times 00:25:29
you've gone at the end of the year. It'll give you all kinds of cool stats around that. But it's used by, generally speaking, 00:25:36
recreational riders. And So what you see when you look at the driver data is everybody is writing really fast, really far to like 00:25:43
remote locations that don't make any sense. 00:25:50
Like, why are you riding out there? But it's because they're waiting recreationally and they want to see beautiful places and have 00:25:58
a nice ride, right? And so I travel the state and I'm a stakeholder in a lot of meetings, and often times these consultancies are 00:26:04
using this data. But even when they're talking about like, utilitarian or practical cycling, because I think in a lot of ways they 00:26:10
just want to sort of show that they're using data, even if it's not necessarily telling the story that they want to. But they can 00:26:16
say like, hey, we got data. 00:26:22
So keep that in mind. 00:26:29
But what we found with streetlight data is it tells a very different story. 00:26:31
What we found is on Strava it looks like it's mostly like middle class. Upper middle class people are riding their bikes really 00:26:38
fast, really far. But what we found in streetlight data is it's generally low income people who are actually riding bikes. So if 00:26:46
you accept the premise of street light data, it is a more complete picture because it's taking everybody. So it would be taking a 00:26:54
recreational riders and your practical utility minded riders. And So what we found was it's really short distance. 00:27:01
Really slow and it tends to be lower income people riding bikes. 00:27:10
And if you look at this data visualization we did, you can see it's generally centered around the downtown core of Provo because 00:27:16
that's where we got part of the. 00:27:21
The data package for. 00:27:28
But if you look at proverbs. 00:27:31
Recent transportation master plan of where they planned most of their infrastructure. It actually sort of creates a box around 00:27:35
where most people are writing they they're trying to induce demand, I guess, for recreational writing. 00:27:42
Because you can see it's like up in the canyons in the foothills, it's out to sort of remote locations like I was talking about, 00:27:51
which is interesting. It's not to say that's the wrong way to plan, but if I was a transportation planner, I would probably plan 00:27:56
more around. 00:28:01
Transportation. 00:28:09
So what we also found in the data was that the bicycles are functioning similarly to automobiles. So they're going, so you can see 00:28:15
that if you look at an origin destination map. So where are people coming from, where they're going to, they're going? 00:28:23
To basically the same locations as you would expect from a car. They're going further distances, but generally the hotspots of 00:28:33
where they're going are the same. So BYU, that's where most people are driving. That's also where most people are riding their 00:28:39
bikes, because that's where people are going to school. 00:28:44
And that's where people are working. It's one of the main employers in Provo and in Utah County. 00:28:49
So that makes sense. And so that's where I'm kind of making some of my assumptions as we're seeing the bicycle data reflects car 00:28:58
data. So we can then make some assumptions that they are. 00:29:04
Writing for the same purposes. 00:29:11
And then we find similar outcomes in terms of time of day. 00:29:17
And like I said origin and destination, so that gives more. 00:29:22
Evidence for some of those assumptions. And then we started looking at some of the surrounding communities because they gave us 00:29:28
like this big BLOB. And I don't know if I was supposed to use the data outside of Provo, but it did. So what we found was in 00:29:34
Springville, a very similar thing, which is a very different community from Provo Provost, far more urban. Springville is more of 00:29:40
a kind of a rural suburban community with. 00:29:46
Like traditional downtown, but we still found that a lot of people were riding around the downtown. 00:29:54
And we also saw that people were writing a populty Canyon in large numbers, which is you would expect that as well. 00:30:01
And then when you look at Orem, we find the same thing, which is interesting. It's another community that's very different, right? 00:30:10
It's urban, but in a very different way from Provo, where Provo is very compact or in this kind of suburban sprawl down State 00:30:17
Street and that really tall geometry that you see, that's actually the number one intersection in the state for cars. 00:30:28
But we also find the same. I don't know if it's the number one intersection for bikes in the state, but it is for arm and this is 00:30:40
what it looks like. 00:30:44
So I'd like to call this the bicycle hellscape. So but it makes sense from a planning perspective why people are riding their 00:30:50
bikes here. So a lot of your planners have been saying like. 00:30:58
From the transportation perspective, like. 00:31:36
What obligation do we have to make that safe if people are going to be riding there anyways? And likewise, how much more bicycle 00:31:39
traffic and walking can we promote through creating enjoyable, walkable, bikable places in in these areas where we know people are 00:31:46
going to work? But from your perspective in Vineyard where you like building out of downtown, you have, well, I guess your 00:31:53
downtown is going to be pretty amazing. Like, I'm not going to lie, it's probably the only other person I would ever move to in 00:32:00
Utah County. 00:32:07
Umm, that's saying a lot. So I live in Provo, currently in the urban core. 00:32:15
But yeah, you could promote these kinds of places where you know people are going to ride and bikes even if it looks like that. So 00:32:21
a couple other things that we found were pretty interesting. We created some rings around Provo, like a big donut, really thin 00:32:28
donut. And if anybody passed through that barrier, we considered it an outside trip. So it was right on the the border of Provo 00:32:35
and any if anybody stayed on the inside of that border. 00:32:42
That it was a trip within. 00:32:49
And we found that. 00:32:52
Most of the trips within Provo, which made-up, sorry, made-up about 37% of shirts, were under 3 miles, which that's like the sweet 00:32:56
spot for biking, right? So you could replace and it's 40% of your trips theoretically with biking, and then a big portion of them 00:33:04
could be replaced with walking, but biking makes a lot of sense for a lot of these trips. 00:33:12
And so we're we're driving a lot of times when we don't necessarily need to. 00:33:21
And largely because the infrastructure doesn't always make it reasonable to ride your bike or walk. 00:33:28
Most normal people so. 00:33:35
The governor offended my program a few years ago, and we created these criteria for. 00:33:39
How we determine what makes infrastructure family friendly. So that's kind of our buzz phrases, family friendly infrastructure and 00:33:46
so basically the overview of that is. 00:33:51
The intensity of infrastructure should reflect the intensity of vehicle traffic and their speeds. So the faster and more there are 00:33:58
of cars, the more infrastructure there should be. So in the neighborhood you would have. 00:34:06
Stuff that is just reinforcing that speed limit. I think you were talking about this, right? This is the good stuff. So this is 00:34:15
where a lot of cities can build a lot of just to reinforce that speed limit. 00:34:21
And then as we get more into your urban environment and as I'm going through this, I'm realizing that like then you're just doing 00:34:29
this stuff. So keep doing it. Like your downtown has a lot of these cycle tracks built into the the plants and it makes a lot of 00:34:36
sense because as that the speeds increase in the number of cars increase. So with the infrastructure, so you'd have things like 00:34:44
cycle tracks, there's different low cost options that you could build into your transportation system. You could even use cars. 00:34:51
And then as speeds get really high and you get a lot of cars, then you would put a separated multi use path. 00:35:02
So that's what I mean by increasing the intensity of infrastructure. And one last thing, there's this picture from Copenhagen and 00:35:09
their their mode share is about 50% walking and biking and then 50% cars. And I like this picture because you can kind of see the 00:35:16
way they have built an infrastructure at least on this street is like 50% walking and biking and a 50% cars, right. And so the 00:35:23
moral there for me at least is you get what you build, right? 00:35:30
So if you want to have people walking and biking, you build for walking and biking and we're seeing that that is actually playing 00:35:37
out in the data. 00:35:41
Thanks. Questions. 00:35:46
I think it's great you have Vineyard. We're trying to put in a lot of these things, which I'd love to see. 00:35:50
And I don't have any questions. Any of you guys have any questions? 00:35:57
I'd like to add in skating today. Hiking and skating. Like when I skateboarding, building. Yeah, I skate every day with my 00:36:04
daughter. That's nice. Supervisory Commission. Could feel free to come to the mic and give a comment too. 00:36:12
Or a question? 00:36:21
I just had a question because I didn't understand the term. 00:36:24
I think you said street light. Did I get that correct? Yeah, it's just the name of the company. It's a company name. Yeah, it's a 00:36:29
bad name. I think it's a confusing. 00:36:33
Because I wasn't understanding if it related to streetlights or what. So thank you. Yeah, I don't know why they did that. 00:36:40
Question for you, Chris, if I may. What do your recommendation for Bring your life? Where would be a starting point to begin to 00:36:50
utilize a tool like this? 00:36:54
Yeah. So ours was kind of interesting because. 00:37:00
We had unlimited zones. So like we could create some of those visual visualizations that had a bunch of hexagons like that 00:37:04
wouldn't be normal to do. So like even U dot doesn't get like that kind of stuff because it's wildly expensive. Like to get what 00:37:10
we got it would be like 100,000 plus. 00:37:16
But I'm like a free consultant. So what we did when we had it was we did like a bunch of experiments to sort of figure out how you 00:37:23
could target specific areas. So if you ever did get streetlight data, would be more than happy to kind of come in and help you 00:37:31
figure out how best to use the data. And like some of the consultancies around the state have been coming to us to figure out how 00:37:39
best to use their data. So we'd be happy to help you, but I would say like focus on your downtown core. 00:37:47
Or your your downtown areas as that gets built out to kind of figure out how people are writing because generally like suburban 00:37:55
environments, people aren't riding that much according to street light data. 00:38:01
I was wondering, so we have a lot of trails in Vineyard UM. 00:38:09
How we can improve them, because we're talking about that a lot. Any suggestions on how we can improve our trail connections or 00:38:13
how they interact with the road, if you've seen them at all? Yeah, I've I've read on some of yours one of the things we find. So 00:38:19
like if you think about the Murdoch Canal or the Drone River Pkwy, it's really nice while you're riding on it and then you get 00:38:25
spewed out into the the car infrastructure and then it's like really uncomfortable. It's really unsafe or at least it feels that 00:38:31
way and so. 00:38:37
I would say thinking about those errors and thinking about. 00:38:43
Where people are going to ride and creating Safe routes to those locations, so grocery stores, schools, things like that. We're 00:38:49
actually applying to the state for safe Routes to School grant program that we would run. I don't know if it's going to happen, 00:38:56
but we asked for a lot of money. So that could be like a good option for you guys to apply for that grant and I like you also. 00:39:03
Yeah, one of the things that I thought about with bike transportation that. 00:39:12
I think invented. We've done a lot to look with internally, but I but I think a lot about our connections with neighboring 00:39:20
communities especially with alarm and like. 00:39:24
You know, we have, we have our own elementary schools, but we send kids to middle school and to high school in Orem. 00:39:30
And like, I have a son in middle school right now and for him to bike from Orem Junior in the Vineyard. 00:39:36
And so that we'll have to rely on some of those connections across into Orem that is not as bike friendly. And so that might be 00:40:15
something to to look at to down the road is how we can strengthen those connections to some of those those destinations that we 00:40:23
don't have any other, we have any other option, but we're going to have to cross into other communities. And I would also say like 00:40:31
protect the things you have that are special because there's a trend over the past I guess 50 years. 00:40:38
Of consolidating things like schools and kicking them out of the individual neighborhoods, different things like that. If you have 00:40:47
a grocery store that's local, help them go spend your money there because those things all help having it locally and there's a 00:40:54
lot of influence to make it more car centered and further those distances and these sort of. 00:41:01
Agnostic on things like what you're talking about, like what barriers exist for us to actually get to those locations by biking 00:41:11
and walking? 00:41:14
I have a question, Chris. 00:41:20
So I should introduce myself. So I'm Brian Perez. I was a city planner. How can St. like data inform intersection design? Because 00:41:23
we're that's something that we've been thinking about lately. 00:41:29
Yes. So you can create like I was talking about, you can create those zones and you can look at different. 00:41:36
Like. 00:41:45
Variables as far as like what direction people are going or what speed they're going. 00:41:47
That would make sense if you were trying to do it over a lot of different intersections and you wanted to kind of see how fast 00:41:55
people were traveling through them. And then you could couple it with like crash data and things like that that you could get from 00:42:00
U dot. And these are all things we could help with as well if it came to that point. 00:42:05
Thank you so much, Chris. 00:42:15
All right, moving on to 5.2 Bike Park and state funding. 00:42:19
Give me a bike and skate parks and state funding. 00:42:28
Actually stick around for this. 00:42:35
Yes. 00:42:41
Have you started the Escape Advisory Committee yet? It's on its way. 00:42:47
I don't think we'd get anything done. 00:42:56
I. 00:43:00
So again, Brian Perez. I work as a planner. 00:43:03
Basically what we want this. 00:43:09
Part of the meeting to be is this an update, 1 update you guys on where the city is at with its bike Bike Park initiative and 00:43:13
where we are on the design. So we have two companies that we've been working with that have provided us these renderings. And so 00:43:20
the two companies are Progressive Bike Ramp and American Ramp Company. 00:43:27
Umm. This design is in Vivid Grove, to the east of the parking lot. 00:43:36
Initially they provided a design that not only gave like this outdoor biking trails and ramps and things like that, but it also 00:43:44
included a skate park and a pump track. Pump track is like a it's like a a bike park, but you could also be used by like scooters 00:43:50
and. 00:43:56
Skateboards and things like that and what it what it's meant to do, it's it's supposed to, you're supposed to use your momentum as 00:44:05
you go up and down these little hills to go around the track. 00:44:09
They're really cool facilities. They're not. They were not included as a part of this finalized plan just yet because there was 00:44:14
issues about location and impact and things like that. 00:44:20
And various people on the Planning Commission on the Council iterated that there could be desires to have facilities like that in 00:44:28
the downtown, so it was not included in this. 00:44:35
So. 00:44:43
Another thing to say about this is that this design. 00:44:45
We still haven't finalized on any funding yet. The specific design could be as much as 2922 and 1/2. 00:44:52
So where we're going to secure funding is a conversation I would like to open up and we can show you ideas that we are kind of 00:45:02
thinking about. 00:45:06
Umm, this. I'll get to him in a second. This location is this concept is not sunstone. It could still probably change a little 00:45:11
bit. 00:45:18
We are. We are concerned about the impacts that this even though it doesn't have the skate park or the punk track, we're still 00:45:25
concerned about how it'll impact the surrounding neighborhoods. 00:45:30
But it is something you know when and where we choose to put it we love. The idea of the concept is really awesome. It provides 00:45:36
like a trail around I think like almost like a mile long trail just around this design. The the jump, the jumps that are there 00:45:43
like different levels of difficulty. There's like a beginner and intermediate and in advance. 00:45:50
They're supposed to be a bicycle playground where people can just come together and just kind of skate or sorry, ride their bikes 00:45:58
together. And as you can see, there's a bunch of different styles of ramps. 00:46:03
And things that people could use. So we worked really closely with the American Ram Company and with Progressive Vicomte to to 00:46:08
have them produce a design that we really love and that could work in the city. But there's still a lot of unanswered questions 00:46:15
yet in terms of location, budget and just a scope how how big we want this to be. So we will get back to you guys as we continue 00:46:22
to bring some prime department on on location and things like that. 00:46:29
We did want to talk about, so I'll get into the details of funding. 00:46:38
This will probably be mostly funded by grants and and we have to begin to put our eyes and ears, you know, in different places to 00:46:43
see where we can get money. I did speak to you, the city manager or the acting city manager, George Wright. And he said that 00:46:51
there's potential that rap tax money could be used to supplement the funding of of this park and other recreational facilities we 00:46:58
do have, I believe in Kashmir. You can correct me if I'm wrong. 00:47:06
We did receive an outdoor recreation grant that I would need to talk to Catherine Newman to see if there's any potential that that 00:47:15
grant could be or part of that grant could be used for something like this. 00:47:20
But yeah, I guess to to. I wanted to take this after me to invite. 00:47:29
The Commission and especially the Bicycle Advisory Commission to begin to look for opportunities or there might might be grants 00:47:35
and This is why I wanted to ask Chris because he's very closely involved with active transportation. If if you have any ideas for 00:47:41
where we could get grants for a project like this, we would appreciate any anything that you could forward to us either now in the 00:47:48
future any information would be would be great. 00:47:54
Yeah, well, not just for a pump track, but for for this kind of thing. So this is a bike park where I'm trying to use a bike park. 00:48:03
I can show up a couple more images as well. 00:48:07
But also like a State Park, there was an element of this that was supposed to be a skate park with a pump track. Those two 00:48:13
elements were taken away from this and now we only have the bike, the bike ramp for now, the bike park for now. 00:48:20
So. 00:48:27
Brian, what were the other locations that are being considered that you mentioned this is? 00:48:30
Around the Grove Park, east of it and so on, Yeah, as far as I know, the only other location that we've honed in on is somewhere 00:48:34
in the downtown along the lakefront, which would be a really awesome location. So comment on the talking with flagship. 00:48:42
The Geneva park, I think is what it's called in that N section and that little triangle can't be irrigated when I talked to him a 00:48:53
few weeks ago. 00:48:58
And so that kind of seems like, if we're going to do a dirt bike, dirt. 00:49:04
Track for bikes, that would make the most sense in my mind to do it on a place that a has hills and stuff so there's more 00:49:09
variation and we can't be irrigated. So I feel like personally that makes more sense. And then my second comment is I think that a 00:49:18
skate park is awesome in downtown, but a pump track makes way more sense in an area like Grove Park because. 00:49:27
Give them more inclined to use on track. 00:49:37
Multiple things. Scooters, skateboards, more things can use it. It can be used year round. If it's raining it can still be used. 00:49:42
It doesn't track mud anywhere. I think for an area like Grove Park a pump track would make way more sense. And and they're pretty 00:49:49
reasonably priced. Not $2,000,000. 00:49:57
But those are my thoughts. I I think that it. 00:50:06
Yeah, that's my thoughts. Yeah. No, those are great thoughts. Yeah, absolutely. So again, about location, at one time we were 00:50:10
considering just right here near the City Hall, just South and east of here. Has that one gone away or gone away? We just haven't 00:50:16
like made an official decision or been able to present official potential decisions to the council and have them provide their 00:50:23
full input on on where they want it, because it just seems like not so much where we would want it, but to give the council some 00:50:29
options. 00:50:36
Of locations and what that location could offer. 00:50:43
More so than, say, here's the park, where can we put it? It seems to me that it would be effective to look at what places are 00:50:46
possible and within those, what is possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that's exactly the direction that Morgan wants to take this. 00:50:53
So in the near future, we want to be able to provide the council and the Planning Commission like maybe four or five potential 00:51:01
places where it could go and and be able to give this up unless it's being considered more actively for something else. 00:51:08
Right, right. This space here is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a great spot. One thing that we also liked about that 00:51:16
location was surveillance right next to the City Hall and next to the Sheriff's Office. It was a good spot to. 00:51:22
For the Sheriff's Department to keep an eye on things and just make sure that all the kids are safe and everyone's behaving 00:51:29
properly and everything. So there were a lot of positives. Yes, yes, that this location makes a lot more sense for like a skate 00:51:34
park or a pump track. Something like this is big. That's what, 9 acres? 00:51:40
Yeah, yeah. They're about, yeah, nine or ten, yeah. 00:51:46
I never knew about the assignments. I mentioned this earlier. Sorry is that. 00:51:51
Another challenge that is posed by this location is the fact that it's still technically a wetlands. 00:51:59
And the developer flagship is still in the process of figuring out how they're going to do that delineation. We don't really know 00:52:04
how much time that's going to take for them to be able to tell us yes or no. This is going to stay a wetland. I believe in the 00:52:10
scene, might be able to provide a little bit more details if you have any in the scene, which is that pretty much cover what we 00:52:16
know right now. I'd just like to say that obviously the conversations with the production, we will determine whether the truth is 00:52:22
out there and specifically. 00:52:28
Specifically in regards to that area. 00:52:37
Well. 00:52:43
That and there is some vital steps that has to go through. 00:52:48
Experience in regards to speaking. Experience in regards to. 00:52:53
Weapons, especially coming from Florida where reflances don't throw away or step away that that is a Nike process and it requires 00:52:59
a lot of agency coordination and even after being approved. 00:53:05
About this typically. 00:53:13
Other actions that maybe there would have to be taken in regards to. 00:53:16
You know if there was a percentage that's found and the majority of it is able to beat this now or as they destroy utilize for 00:53:21
something else, that small percentage does go at a cost as well so. 00:53:28
I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm not saying it's not going to go forward, but I would just take it very well for some 00:53:37
patients. 00:53:40
Thanks. Thank you. 00:53:46
Yeah. Any comments from the bicycle committee at all Commission, I guess? 00:53:47
Yeah, if you wouldn't mind coming up to the Yep. 00:53:55
So Mike Houston, I was just curious if there's any alternatives to this? 00:54:01
Running could be an issue in $2,000,000 is too much, is there? 00:54:05
So yeah, that allows us to catch up. 00:54:39
In terms of funding. 00:54:42
Hey there. 00:54:44
Any other comments? 00:54:45
So I would, I guess there would be, there would be a conversation of what we would prioritize like what we feel is most important 00:54:48
of the elements within this design, you know, and see what we want them to do first. I think a lot of that, I mean it depends on 00:54:54
what can we do. So if we want to prioritize something, it'd be kind of silly to prioritize something that we can't do so that the 00:55:01
wetlands aren't an option. It'd be kind of silly to prioritize doing something on the wetlands. 00:55:07
But if if we have another location like again, I feel like the Geneva Park location would be amazing. 00:55:16
Or if we want to scale down and do something smaller like a pump track close by. 00:55:24
Then I think that that would make more sense to prioritize something like that. And also it just seems to me since we have a an 00:55:31
official bicycle advisory committee or council that. 00:55:37
They would be an appropriate body to give us some options and to give us some priorities. 00:55:45
You know, from that perspective, and I know they may not handle skate and they may not handle other parts of it. I don't know. 00:55:51
Yeah. So it has wheels you think about. All right. So it just seemed like it would be a good use of of that committees expertise 00:56:00
to have them come to you or to us with. 00:56:06
If this is going to be if we can only do $800,000, what what would we want first? 00:56:14
Yeah. And and we may give up some of this, this seems like an ideal park that would incorporate a lot of things, but maybe that's 00:56:21
not where we're going. 9 acres is a lot of space, given that we don't even have a cemetery yet. 00:56:28
In Vineyard and we're only asking for four acres, talking about priorities, right. So yeah, talk about priorities. I mean, I'm 00:56:37
moving in that direction. So $10 looking out for the cemetery, not for a long time. I haven't got any ideas then. So but I guess 00:56:44
the point I'm making is maybe there would be the right body to spend some effort. 00:56:51
And give you or us those options in those phases or those priorities, yeah, I think that would be a great topic that we can begin 00:56:58
to prepare to discuss or address in our upcoming meeting. So we decided that as a Bicycle Advisory Commission to meet, we're 00:57:05
meeting once or four times in the years every quarter. Now we're going to be meeting a little more frequently. So we're going to 00:57:12
meet every two months on the 3rd, on the 1st Thursday of the third Thursday of the month, sorry. 00:57:19
So yeah, no, thank you for the suggestion. We'll take that to heart for sure. Umm. 00:57:26
There's another thing. 00:57:32
As for a different concept, Mike, so we. 00:57:34
We had that original concept that included the the skate park and the pump track and all this that you see here. 00:57:39
Because there was concerns with like just too much activity in one area, we had to ask the designer to go back and and present us 00:57:48
some more simple drawing and take away the the skate parking contract. But I think at this point we have exhausted at least what 00:57:55
we've paid them in terms of of what they've been able to design with, with the money that that we paid them. And so if we did go 00:58:02
back and ask for a totally different concept, it would they would, yeah. So I do think that they should all be separate. 00:58:09
Because if you combine a dirt track with paved tracks and cement tracks, then they start to get naked, They get really dirty, 00:58:16
dirty. And yeah, so that that would be a problem. Plus, I mean, you don't want to concentrate it. You want to have as many 00:58:23
activities spread out throughout the possible. And again, Geneva Park can't be a cemetery and it can't be soccer fields because of 00:58:31
the way, I mean, they covered up a bunch of waste. It can't. 00:58:38
Be any of that. So again, another plug for this would be the like. I can't think of anything else. 00:58:46
That would. 00:58:51
Could go there besides something like this, but tell us how you really feel. So Geneva Park. 00:58:52
No. Yeah. It's a great idea. I think. I so, yeah. 00:59:00
Please, please, kid. 00:59:07
So I'm kidding. I'm on the Bicycle Advisory Commission and I just pulled up. I just want to make a point, like we talked about 00:59:13
bike infrastructure, which I am really passionate about. I don't have a car, so I ride my bike to arm for work every day, and I 00:59:18
think that's. 00:59:24
A huge well, for one, it's a huge reason why I moved in there. But two, I think it's a just a huge benefit to the community is 00:59:30
having options and so we're not dependent on cars everywhere we go. But I also think and I just pulled up because I've known this 00:59:37
but I didn't know the numbers, just bicycle centered activities and trails like this and just other activities where there's a 00:59:45
pump track or skate park I just wanted to point to. 00:59:52
Benville, Arkansas as a case study and I just pulled this up and it's a couple years old. But I just wanted to show as we think 01:00:00
about this and we think like, wow, a $2,000,000 price tag is a lot. 01:00:05
It would also bring a lot of outside people intervening it and economic. There would be a lot of economic impact to the city. And 01:00:10
just for Danville, AR, Walmart has and just the city has poured in a lot of resources into their trail network and their bicycle 01:00:17
infrastructure. 01:00:24
And with an interesting number of locals and tourists taking advantage of its network of trails, bicycling provided $137,000,000 01:00:31
in economic benefits to Northwest Arkansas in 2017, and $27 million of that was spent at local businesses. And so just just 01:00:38
thinking through that too, I don't know how we can put an economic number like an ROI to some of this stuff, but I think that is 01:00:44
something that we. 01:00:51
As a City Council or Planning Commission can also consider and looked as we're doing the research and and just vetting out options 01:00:58
like this. Like what? 01:01:03
Yes, it provides residents with recreational opportunities, which is awesome, but also can it be an economic boost for for the 01:01:08
city? So I just wanted to share that. So yeah, absolutely. I definitely agree with that. It can be a huge economic boost and it 01:01:15
helps the demographic in our community, young adults and teenagers. 01:01:22
That are at high risk for suicide rates and stuff. It gives them options to get outside and to meet other people and I think that 01:01:31
it's something. 01:01:35
Ever. Like every city needs activities like that where that's for people that are just on their own, that aren't necessarily part 01:01:40
of a sports team or something, somewhere where they can go and they can be terrible at it, but they can still meet people and have 01:01:45
fun. 01:01:50
Yeah, absolutely. 01:01:56
So to close on this, so we we basically just wanted you guys to know that we haven't forgotten about this project. Like we've 01:02:01
invested money already into this and getting a design. We're still like I said we're we've got some more things to figure out in 01:02:07
terms of the budgeting and the and the location and things like that. But we're still working on it and we'll continue to provide. 01:02:14
Reports and work together with our, with our governing bodies to to figure this out, because we do want this. 01:02:21
Oh yeah, sure, they're very similar to this, they're just from different angles, the renderings. 01:02:28
I like that water one. 01:02:38
So there's this one. This is looking from the north, looking South. 01:02:42
And then I got one more. 01:02:47
This is just an aerial of what it would look like. 01:02:54
Yeah. 01:03:00
Andrew, right. 01:03:14
I'm Andrew from the Bicycle Kitty. I know when we discussed this in the past, we've talked about also making it kind of like a. 01:03:20
Oh yeah, it might be here. It might around. Because this is, this is the bicycle playground area right here. And there used to be 01:04:01
a pavilion in the in the previous design, right? Right in one of these somewhere pads right here. But. 01:04:07
Yeah, we can make make sure to mention that still. 01:04:13
Yeah, right, right. Yeah. But that no that idea hasn't hasn't died still on the on the plate so so this is this is gravel gravel 01:04:17
and dirt I think mostly dirt yeah, yeah. And and wood. There's some wood elements. 01:04:26
Some ramps and things, I don't know what the names of them curves. 01:04:36
Having lived here and seeing the windstorms we have, is that something that that this would? 01:04:42
Create around those neighborhoods where they're gonna have heavy winds. They're everywhere. I don't know what the answer to that 01:04:48
is. I can ask Megan. So from my understanding, a lot of this would still be vegetation, and it's such compacted dirt, but it 01:04:54
wouldn't be like the kind of dirt that's just blowing around. 01:05:01
I understand that this picture looks very green, which is very exciting, but in reality my guess is this would not be an irrigated 01:05:10
space and it would all be brown and. 01:05:17
Wheaty am I correct? And dirty, dirty dirt essentially even where we see green. And also I think potentially you could plant trees 01:05:26
in some of. 01:05:32
The negative area where you could. 01:05:39
Shield has more privacy and some nature, but essentially this is not going to be a green area. This would be we would save our 01:05:43
water, am I right? 01:05:48
Because there's not any attention. Yeah, it would destroy the trails, right? Yeah. 01:05:54
Yeah, I don't know. I just want to point out if anyone's listening or seeing this. 01:06:04
In the public. This is a false representation of what that would actually look like. 01:06:08
I would say that another layer of design on this would need to be like a landscape architect, you know or something like that that 01:06:12
could address that side of it, you know? 01:06:17
Irrigation plantings or non irrigation and plantings. And not just and regardless of where it was in this area, would it take up a 01:06:22
bunch of dust for the residents that would run it? Absolutely. 01:06:28
Would that be as much of a problem in Geneva Park? Probably about the same issue, but also maybe nobody cares that much about it 01:06:35
up there as they would down here. 01:06:40
I'm just saying, I like that you need a quick idea. Yeah. Geneva Park can't be anything else. That's going to be best no matter 01:06:47
what. 01:06:50
Yeah, yeah, another plague for anything in the park. 01:06:53
So, yeah, stay tuned, yes. 01:06:58
Whenever we open up to staff reports, I do have something I wanted to share with you. So yeah, we'll move into staff reports, 01:07:00
Commission member and stuff. OK, cool. 01:07:05
So we were on AI was on a on a call this this morning with ARM some of the arm planners and they are presenting. 01:07:10
I guess they they're inviting us to participate in a troll corridor connection project. So they have a trail that is running from 01:07:21
800 N into like the Canyon to Provo Canyon and it connects with like the Bonneville Shoreline Trail and it also connects them to 01:07:28
like the Murdoch. But there's a gap between US and and and them and so they're inviting us to to partner to complete that that 01:07:36
section along veneer connector. 01:07:43
And eventually connected into our shoreline trails that we're going to that we're going to be developing a lot with waterfront 01:07:51
plant. 01:07:55
And so we're like super excited. We want to partner up with them again funding these questions. So we'll work together with them 01:08:00
to see where we're going to find sources of funding. 01:08:05
Listen, I'm sorry to interview, do you remember where the potential funding options? 01:08:11
For us could come for that project. 01:08:16
Yes, Sir. There's an, it's through the Utah Governors Economic Development office, remember where there's an outdoor recreation 01:08:19
grant. That's right. And also the Mountain Association of Governments has funding that that we can use, but we have to provide 01:08:28
like a strategy that they can then incorporate into their regional transportation plan before they're able to receive funding for 01:08:36
those connections. So we we're going to keep working with Oren to to create a plan to make those connections and then they can. 01:08:44
They and US can secure funding for that. 01:08:53
Gonna be awesome because the Australian trail leads them to some of the trails and ornament. Provo. I forget where all the trail 01:08:56
names are but he he he gave me a map that shows how it would all function as a giant loop in the central Utah region and we're 01:09:03
we're pumped to be able to participate in that. So. So you'll you'll hear more about that in the future as well. All right. Cool. 01:09:10
Thank you. Thanks. Any Commissioner, I I have something about that. So First off. 01:09:18
Commissioner Jenkins did go to an event. This is a regarding training. 01:09:26
He went to a let me find out the name of it real quick. 01:09:32
Summit where they just discussed whether the project ongoing projects and cleanup and restoration with that lake. I'm sure if you 01:09:38
said more to it, but that just gets into that. We we do have training for the planning commissioners and upcoming we do have Ato 01:09:45
Utah this year it's going to be down in Kanab and it is in March on the 23rd to the 25th. So that's AI believe a Wednesday through 01:09:53
Friday. So if any of you are interested in going you can contact me and I can get tickets for that. 01:10:00
OK, yeah, if you can send this information like, e-mail it to. 01:10:08
Cool. Anything else? 01:10:13
Do you have that? 01:10:20
Can I remind you to post official online please? 01:10:22
Thank you, Sir. I do not believe. 01:10:28
That word. 01:10:30
So there are just few updates and in the spirit of multimodal transportation, we have and this has been posted on our Facebook 01:10:40
page as well. So, so it's been out to the public that ETA is going Arizona, we just pulled up myself and my DTA is doing a bus 01:10:49
route 8 menu, bus route at 8:34, bus route, there we go, super close changes to route 834. 01:10:58
Let's go talk about online in April 2022 and this particular bus track goes through, goes through Vineyard and if you can Scroll 01:11:07
down Sir. 01:11:12
So it has. There's a summary of what the proposed changes are, but. 01:11:19
The frequencies the extension into the extension serves a new front, the new venue front runner station. 01:11:24
And and then of course it's ETA. 01:11:32
Once we've been here to kind of see where the riderships would be and of course you know running down along the Center St. 01:11:38
particularly around Center St. and making sure that we have stops near our parks where they're walking. We go very closely at 01:11:43
least where we're walking distance of our park. So making sure that we're serving, you know, making sure we're serving public to 01:11:48
get to the hot spots which. 01:11:53
You know in order to reduce the need for them to walk further and sometimes that that they're accepting public comments through 01:12:00
their what through our website is up there. So I request you to change there. 01:12:06
So that's one thing. I just want to make sure that it's out there. 01:12:13
As well as with the just an update for the Vineyard Frontrunner station with the weekly updates that we've been having to say 01:12:18
we've been having with ETA and the ETA contractor. 01:12:24
The on Track Pun Attendant. 01:12:30
To open to finish construction in March, February, February, February, early March at the station and with. 01:12:35
With service starting in April 2022, the reason with the delay of the sanction completion the and the service is as you can see on 01:12:45
those April, the April, the April month is when they actually ETA actually has a change of services. 01:12:53
Change of services with their drivers and so forth. So that's kind of lining up to that without the downtown area is moving 01:13:04
forward without the infrastructure development. 01:13:08
Other than quite a lot of paving prior to the cold season and then now with the with the season warming up. 01:13:13
They're hanging down their infrastructure developments and then we're looking at extending the pavement along there. So in 01:13:20
essence. 01:13:24
There are developers providers phase one, phase two allow the infrastructure and then we receive phase three infrastructure 01:13:30
designs and then the developers also looking at starting building construction this construction season. So you'll see a lot of 01:13:38
movement in the downtown area which will be you know obviously the vineyards are urbanized you know hub so beginner connector 01:13:46
project to which is again focusing on transportation video connector project. 01:13:54
Is a new dog project with the city moving forward on. They provide us the first set of finalized plans for review to the city, 01:14:02
which the city staff will be reviewing, but in essence the alignment. 01:14:10
The alignment hasn't changed and so forth. I presented the work at last City Council work session and all kind of outlining the 01:14:19
schedule with the estimated start of construction being this construction season, where they estimate completion being in 2023. 01:14:26
There's a overpass that goes along with it to connect to downtown. 01:14:33
The promenade to the waterfront area. 01:14:41
Which represented the other change on that was a delayed start of the of the overpass found out overpass the memory just so that 01:14:44
the designers the city of Utah can actually spend some time to do proper designs and proper reviews that's not going to impact the 01:14:52
being a connector project and and we see a separation of completion times to be roughly about 68 months on that. 01:15:01
Things are moving along here, Vineyard. Yeah, thank you. Kind of surprised that this plan that it's not going down Mill Rd. 01:15:12
especially with the megaplex and Top Golf and everything seems like that would make more sense. I'll have to make a comment. Any 01:15:17
other Commission member reports or ex parte discussion? 01:15:22
I just wanted to make a comment for I guess for the record. 01:15:29
We. 01:15:35
We just lost another vineyard citizen. 01:15:37
To death a couple of days ago who's who was 75 years old, so he's up there with me. 01:15:41
He's been to the Planning Commission meetings in the past and he's made public comment and he stood at the pulpit. And so he's 01:15:50
taking a fairly active role in some of our concerns. And this is Jim Brinton. 01:15:57
A retired medical doctor just passed away Monday with a massive heart attack. Immediately died. So I just wanted to make that here 01:16:05
because we won't be seeing Jim anymore. At least I hope we don't. 01:16:12
See him here anymore? He's a good friend of mine, but he's he's had an active role in a lot of our meetings in the past, so we 01:16:20
won't see him anywhere. 01:16:25
Thank you, Tim. 01:16:33
All right. And it's there. Have any more comments then we'll adjourn the meeting. 01:16:35
Thanks everybody. Thank you. Vice chair and chair. Thank you. 01:16:40
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