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OK, we are now live. Umm like it's Wednesday, January 27th, 2021. 00:00:00
And it is 8:01 PM and we're opening the RDA meeting. And as Chair Fulmer is absent, I'd like to call for a nomination to chair the 00:00:09
meeting tonight. 00:00:15
This is Chris I'd like to nominate. 00:00:23
Member Flake Pike Flake as the chair for tonight's meeting. Second, I could second that. OK, roll call, Christy. 00:00:26
Oh. 00:00:39
T. 00:00:40
Yeah. OK, Motion carries. I turn the time over to you. 00:00:41
Pro Tem Blake. 00:00:47
Mayor. 00:00:51
Excuse from this front RDA. 00:00:53
And then your city do hereby find and declare as follows due to the emergency conditions which currently exist in the state of 00:00:56
Utah. 00:01:00
And specifically in Utah County and Vineyard City as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. 00:01:04
And the. 00:01:11
19 infections across the state and Utah County. 00:01:13
The holding of public meetings with an anchor location as defined in the Utah open and public heat? Exactly. 00:01:18
Presents a substantial risk to. 00:01:26
Health and safety of those who may be. 00:01:29
At an anchor location. 00:01:32
And the risk to those who may present. 00:01:34
At the anchor location can't be such such substantially mitigated by holding public meetings of the City Council. 00:01:37
Pursue it to the electronic beats that allow. 00:01:45
Public participation via. 00:01:49
Virtual needs that also includes already. 00:01:51
City has the means and ability to allow virtual partic. 00:01:56
In the book of meetings, in accordance with the Utah Open and Public Meeting Act. 00:02:00
Now therefore based upon before. 00:02:05
30 days. 00:02:07
The date of this order. 00:02:09
Feedings of Vineyard City Council and RDA. 00:02:11
Virtual needs without an anchor. 00:02:16
So. 00:02:23
We have one item on the agenda we've got. 00:02:27
Yeah. 00:02:32
So. 00:02:35
2nd. 00:02:37
Some items have been Appro. 00:02:42
So do I have a motion to approve? 00:02:48
What is the vote to the consent items? 00:02:53
Yay. 00:02:57
Yeah, let's go. Items are. 00:03:00
OK. Just the one item on you want me to take. 00:03:04
All right, let me share my screen again. 00:03:10
You guys. 00:03:17
Yes. 00:03:20
An RDA application from Edge Homes and I believe that Jaron and Brandon are on the call. 00:03:22
Will be available to answer questions, but I'll just run through this really quick. 00:03:27
I have the application here, there's there's a few projects that we're looking at funding, so let me pull up the map. 00:03:33
Can you guys see that map? 00:03:44
Yes, yes. 00:03:46
This exhibit is. 00:03:50
Showing in blue 300 W that will go in the middle through the middle of this. 00:03:52
This development and you've got an extension of blue growth that will pee in right in front of the courthouse. 00:03:59
They would have been required to do a portion of both of these roads as part of their development. 00:04:06
We requested as a city to try to enhance those roads. 00:04:13
And so as part of that, we are presenting A reimbursement agreement for the portion of the road that they would not have been 00:04:17
required to do as part of their development. 00:04:22
The second part of this project is the existing Lake Rd. comes through to the West side of their. 00:04:28
And as part of that site plan approval, they would have been required to take out this Med section of the trail or up the road. 00:04:37
We wanted this blue section to also be removed. 00:04:48
So that we could bring the trail through and we didn't have two trails cutting up this this new open space. 00:04:52
So they they are proposing to fund the red portion and then the RDA would reimburse. 00:05:01
And then as part of this project they would be regrading all of this area that is between. 00:05:11
Their development and the existing lake trail. 00:05:19
Regrading that area and then seating it and then because this is going to benefit their development as well as the city as a 00:05:23
whole, we're proposing to do a 5050 park sharing on those costs. 00:05:29
So those are the exhibits here, Jake, What's it being seated with? Sorry, is it just is we grass? 00:05:36
Yes, I believe it's just, I don't know what, but it's grass. I don't need to know what time I'm just it's grass. Is that what 00:05:42
we're doing? 00:05:46
OK. It's a low maintenance native grass mix. 00:05:51
OK, OK. 00:05:54
So you guys can see here the background and discussion. Those are the projects that are being presented. The total cost of the 00:05:57
project is estimated at 1,066,000 of which the developers requesting cost sharing of 647,000 from the RDA. 00:06:05
Staff is recommending that the board approve the RDA application and allow the chair to sign a reimbursement agreement with Edge 00:06:16
Homes. 00:06:19
I believe I have. 00:06:23
Umm. 00:06:29
Otherwise, we're available to answer any questions. 00:06:31
Jake, can you go back to the map that showed the access points to the current county trial? I think it showed some trails that 00:06:35
maybe. 00:06:40
Going east to West from the community. 00:06:46
Connecting. 00:06:49
Do I see that correctly? 00:06:51
Yeah, I can pull that. 00:06:52
Yeah, this one. 00:06:56
I know along the county trail currently is. Isn't there a fence? 00:07:00
It's off. 00:07:05
So I guess that we we've coordinated with the county. 00:07:06
To connect to the trail and have these open openings of their fence and everything, and they're comfortable with that. 00:07:10
You're talking when you say fence, are you talking the guardrail? 00:07:16
I believe. I believe there's a fence between the guardrail. 00:07:22
I I can't answer that question. That's not a conversation I've been a part of. I don't know if there's a member of our staff or 00:07:31
if. 00:07:34
Chris Wilson just said. 00:07:38
Oh, great. Thanks, Chris. 00:07:40
That's a yes, but that that's being removed in this project. Yeah, removed or just access points. 00:07:43
I'll wait for his comment. I imagine it's coming. 00:07:50
Perfect. 00:07:55
So just to clarify, the regrading would go the trail where the trail is past all the existing space to defend. 00:07:57
Through the road to the property. 00:08:06
That whole area to the trail. 00:08:09
Brandon or Jared, I don't know if you want to speak to that on the actual plan for the grading. 00:08:12
Uh. 00:08:17
Yeah. Can you hear me? 00:08:19
OK, great. Yeah. So, yeah, all of the regrading and the re vegetation will happen from where the existing jogging trail is. 00:08:21
It was that whole green area of that map. So it's from the existing jogging trail all the way to our development. We're also 00:08:28
running a. 00:08:33
I think it's an 8 foot wide asphalt trail adjacent to our units. 00:08:38
And so we're putting that trail in 100% on our dime and then put the whole reseating area of that green area. 00:08:43
Uh. 00:08:52
Yeah, essentially. 00:08:54
That answer. And then yes, the fence will be. 00:08:59
As we do this, I'm trying to remember that fences east or West of the existing jogging trail. I can't think of it off the top of 00:09:03
my head, but I think it's on the east side and we'll remove that fence, Yes, so we have received. 00:09:08
Approval officially from the state lands. It's actually state lands. There's a little sliver from the county and we've worked with 00:09:15
them also Chris has been speller and helping us get working those. 00:09:21
Uh. 00:09:27
Working with the state lands in the county so we finally got their approval and. 00:09:28
Are working towards getting a pre construction meeting set up with them on this. 00:09:33
I guess the only question I would ask is what's the timeline? 00:09:38
Completion, what are we looking at? Guesstimate, I know it's not exact. Yeah, no, that's a great question. So we intend to spend 00:09:42
most of this year. 00:09:46
Regrading the area and we've we've talked to Amber on your Planning Commission as well as our landscape architect on when the best 00:09:50
time of year to receive this area is. 00:09:55
And they both highly recommend we wait until the fall so that all of that reseed mix has a chance to to germinate throughout the 00:10:00
winter and then we'll get the best pop of those plants in the springtime next year. So we'll spend this year doing all the 00:10:06
improvements. 00:10:12
And then we'll kind of keep an eye on, on weather, but yeah, this fall is when we hope. 00:10:18
Hope to be completed. We've got to make sure that we get rid of all of the also invasive species that are on there. So we've got 00:10:22
to kind of keep an eye on that over the summer. 00:10:26
But yeah, so hopefully this time next. 00:10:31
Soon as spring kind of hits, we'll start to see that really flourish. 00:10:34
The maintenance, the maintenance of the the native grass and I I guess when I hear native grass, I guess I don't fully understand 00:10:40
what that means. Are we talking? 00:10:45
Native grass, it's going to grow up to a certain. 00:10:50
On its own and won't need to be mowed down all the time or what does that mean? 00:10:54
Yeah, so our landscape architect put together a really nice comprehensive. 00:10:59
Maintenance plan and we've met with like I said Amber and staff on making sure that we're. 00:11:05
And Sullivan was even involved in that to make sure we feel comfortable with that maintenance plan. So that's been implemented and 00:11:11
reviewed. What was the other part of your other your question? 00:11:17
You know, I don't remember, but that's a good answer I guess. Really it's a matter of just understanding the maintenance long term 00:11:24
for me to understand that. So I mean, is there, is there another section of the city that this same native brass is located? So I 00:11:29
kind of have an idea of what to compare it with? 00:11:34
Yeah, I was going to interject Sullivan. When I hear native grass, I think of the grass that we have planted in Grove Park. 00:11:39
Is that what we're talking about? 00:11:47
There's there's, I think there's like five or six different varieties of grass that they're planting. 00:11:51
Some of them will be in clumps that will grow taller, and some of them will grow smaller, and so there will be some options. 00:11:56
As to how its maintain. 00:12:03
And so we'll review those, you know the plan that they put together. 00:12:05
And some of this will be a little bit of learning process on our part also, but they've done it. So that's a decorative, it's not 00:12:09
just one you know, solid type of grass. There are no other. 00:12:15
Areas in the city that will have or currently have anything like this. 00:12:21
There's some areas that have some native grass out by junior connector, but that's that's nothing like this is going to look like. 00:12:26
So Christy and Chris also, so, hey, this is Chris Wilson, so basically. 00:12:34
We took the approach on this if this is an experiment, more or less because we haven't had any other grasses like this. 00:12:39
So this will give us an opportunity. We took the best grasses that we could with the group of people. 00:12:47
To what would be water wise low mainten? 00:12:54
They will have some maintenance like maybe once a year like a knock down mowing or something like that. 00:12:59
Very minimal. 00:13:06
Keep the natural look of the lake and then we'll have to see. 00:13:08
What grasses work and what we end up liking and then we can start using more. 00:13:12
That or not using it in other areas of the. 00:13:17
So whose land is this area? 00:13:24
Maintain that It sounds like it's the city's responsibility. 00:13:29
Yeah, so we went through. We worked with. 00:13:32
The the state lands the Sovereign Lands group at the state and so that lands owned by the state. 00:13:38
And we go through a permitting process where they allow us through a general permit to to more or less lease the land and take 00:13:46
responsibility for the maintenance. 00:13:52
An upkeep of it in exchange for the. 00:13:59
Of that. So it's the same concept of what we did with the the Vineyard Beach area. 00:14:03
And we've been slowly getting all the pieces along the beach as. 00:14:10
Planning the development and. 00:14:15
Eventually. 00:14:18
Have the general permits for. 00:14:19
The entire lakefront of. 00:14:21
I would, I would interject that I would be a fan with the with this trail going along here and that green section being. 00:14:26
A type of native grass. I feel like this could be a really neat area. 00:14:33
For people to have picnics and put out blankets and so I would be. 00:14:37
Inclined to work towards whatever grass or program allowed. 00:14:43
That kind of recreation recreating to go on. 00:14:47
If I'm seeing this right, maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but that's what I hope can happen there. 00:14:53
No, I'm grateful for you guys clarifying that this is property. I wasn't sure if it was all of the developers property, in which 00:14:57
case I was wondering why we were going to go in on it, but it makes sense that. 00:15:04
This. 00:15:10
You know, all of our citizens, I walk along this trail. 00:15:12
All the time, and so I'm very familiar with the area. 00:15:15
So it makes sense that we partner on it. Can I ask another question I? 00:15:20
Correct me if I'm wrong. 00:15:26
Because I believe this was a decision made before I was involved with the R. 00:15:27
But I remember when this project was first coming in and it seemed like there was an agreement that there was going to be. 00:15:32
$1,000,000 put in on the Northside with the promenade. 00:15:39
Is that still part that's still an agreement that we have? 00:15:42
And you're and you're never wrong, Christy. So don't short sell yourself. 00:15:49
I mean, I won't dispute that, but. 00:15:55
If that's the case, but it makes sense for us to maybe just use some of that money now in this portion of it. 00:16:01
Because I just don't know what's going to happen with the promenade. 00:16:09
That makes sense what I'm saying. 00:16:14
I think it's part of the development, right? 00:16:21
Uh. 00:16:24
Edge Homes isn't required to do that anymore. 00:16:25
Separate. 00:16:28
Or Anderson, Geneva. 00:16:32
They changed it again. Whatever has to be in conjunction with that third party, correct? 00:16:35
OK, that answered. 00:16:41
John's real quick. Also John out in this area. There are three existing pavilions. 00:16:47
That the public will be able to use also. 00:16:53
Love. 00:16:57
Yeah, I was going to say basically the same thing and kind of the idea was to push more of the like the the rule approved park 00:16:59
Park Ish kind of stuff towards the north by the by the boardwalk. So you see kind of more of an official grass area where people 00:17:05
can shop. 00:17:11
And then they'll have basically a grass area by the boardwalk where they can, where they do this area due to maintenance I know 00:17:19
Dawn was really concerned about. 00:17:24
The battle maintenance was going to take on, so we just look for really low maintenance water wise. 00:17:29
You know, type plans, so it's more but there are pavilions to hang out, yeah, but I mean, but the grading is done well and if we 00:17:36
get a grasp that's not going to grow crazy tall. It still is a nice transition towards that boardwalk and for sure. 00:17:43
More formal grass area I understand, but yeah, so I want to. Let's make it. 00:17:51
Hang out friendly as we can, if that, if that's possible. 00:17:56
Great. And in the future if you wanted to add more pavilions and that's we can always add to the plan. 00:18:01
Morgan, you're just talking about the existing civilians that are that are there not right. Yeah there there's a three there and 00:18:07
then but what I'm saying is if there is a big demand for city choice come back in and work with the state to add more. Oh I'm, I'm 00:18:14
just talking about grass where people hang out that's what I was talking about. No, we're good. Yeah. Yeah. So to add to that 00:18:21
Morgan. So the the reason why we're doing this really simple is to be low cost in the clean up that area to get the trail. 00:18:28
Networks completed. 00:18:36
And then? 00:18:37
The goal is, is in the future as we figure out what we really want along the lakefront, we'll go in and add additional amenities 00:18:40
and change things. But for now like this is a it cleans it up, it gets our trail networks put together, it gives a nice product 00:18:46
for edges. 00:18:51
You know residents to come in and and to be able to enjoy that until we're ready with a bigger project to come through, if it's 00:18:58
part of that. 00:19:03
Lakefront Grant. 00:19:08
Money that we got from the county or whatever it may be. 00:19:10
Well, I still see it as a is a is a great you know destination for any of our residents honestly to go out and be able to do that. 00:19:14
Like John said, I mean he he. 00:19:18
Now let's go do picnics and things like that. It's one of the best views you can get down by the lake straight across, so I think 00:19:23
it's a great spot. 00:19:27
Yeah, I know for sure. I know. I know you guys live on the South Side, so you don't walk up there. But residents on this side of 00:19:32
the city? 00:19:35
Use that trail like crazy. 00:19:38
Did we talk about this, including the trail expansion in the bridge? 00:19:41
OK, sorry I failed to mention that, but that is also part of it. So connecting the two trail systems. So the trail ends right now 00:19:47
at Sunset Beach Park. 00:19:51
Part of this project is also including a bridge over that culvert and connecting that trail to the north, where it ends. 00:19:55
Basically with this, with this finished sunset, park the trail. 00:20:05
And all that land to the end of their opportunity. 00:20:10
Right. It won't finish the park. 00:20:13
Because that's part of Flagship's project, but it'll finish the. 00:20:16
Like the state lands portion, but to Christie's point, they're rerouting the road. They're milling that portion of it up so that 00:20:21
we can finish. 00:20:25
I think the hope would be that with all of these agreements all kind of happening at the same time that all of that kind of. 00:20:30
Comes together, yeah, Jake doesn't this. 00:20:36
Help to, I guess, pay for the grading of where the culvert is, where it's like a Cliff, kind of a drop off, like it does not allow 00:20:40
us to create a gentler slope. 00:20:45
You know, I mean I like how how much of that could be connected with. 00:20:50
The specifics on how to kind of integrate that area into this, I don't know that it necessarily. 00:20:56
So Jake, it does and will between the lower trail, the county trail, and the trail that's up against edges. 00:21:07
Buildings. It will regrade that section and take the clip away and to make a gentle slope, basically go from trail to trail and 00:21:15
it'll be just one. 00:21:20
It's about like a like roughly 30% slow. 00:21:26
Chair, I'm I'm ready for a motion unless there's other questions. 00:21:34
That's. 00:21:38
Hold, I want to hold on. I want to make one comment. So as you guys know, we're going through the bonding process. 00:21:40
With the RDA right now we're restructuring some of our current debt and looking at financing some new projects. So I don't know 00:21:48
exactly. 00:21:52
How quickly we're going to be able to reimburse these guys? 00:21:58
Because I don't want to, I don't want to impact any bonding decisions that the city is going to make for the RDA is going to 00:22:02
makeover the next few months. So we have put in there that we can work out the terms of reimbursement and then the chair can just 00:22:09
sign the agreement. So I don't want to finalize any of that decision until we have these long discussions. 00:22:15
So that it doesn't impact our bond rating or any of that, so. 00:22:22
There's just allowing the chair to sign an agreement in the future. 00:22:26
With these terms that have been presented, so that's. 00:22:30
So, and yes, just clarifying one thing, Jake, so. 00:22:34
Those terms of the agreement, do they come back to the RDA board or is that still just signed off on at that point in time by the 00:22:37
chair or how does that work, however you guys want to do it, we can bring the agreement back if you lost? 00:22:43
Or you guys can approve it, get these amounts that have been presented and then if it goes above those amounts, we can bring it 00:22:51
back over you guys. 00:22:55
But in terms of where the funds are coming from, when you so decide, does that make sense what I'm saying? Yeah, so like the 00:22:59
reimbursement terms it would be whether we do a direct reimbursement here or five years. 00:23:05
If you guys care about that, then I would say let's bring the agreement back to the Rea board. If you don't care about those terms 00:23:12
then you can allow the chair to sign, OK, I'll, I'll make a motion and if they have issues they can they can so say. So I'll make 00:23:19
a motion that we approve the RDA application and allow the chair to sign a cost sharing reimbursement agreement as presented. 00:23:26
We have. 00:23:40
I thought you seconded it. I'm sorry, I thought you were seconding it. 00:23:43
Happy. 00:23:51
We have a motion. 00:23:53
All in favor. 00:23:56
Hi. 00:23:58
Any. 00:24:02
No. 00:24:04
For the most of his past. 00:24:05
That's the only item on the agenda. Do I have a most proposed meeting? 00:24:08
All in favor. 00:24:17
Hi. 00:24:19
Thank. 00:24:21
Have a good night. 00:24:24
Leave the underside of your cabinet. 00:24:25